On today's show, we have a ton of news to report, including the latest in the Bush administration's war on Iran, the Scooter Libby trial, and the 7/7 bombing. We also have a call in from a man who has been fighting the toll road toll road movement for years.
00:01:27.000A big vote tonight, a Campo vote if you live here in Texas.
00:01:31.000Sorry, tomorrow night and something that we certainly want to promote here on the Alex Jones Show.
00:01:36.000Joining us in the third hour on the broadcast today, Dean Lawrence Velville of the Massachusetts School of Law.
00:01:45.000They are sending out ultimatums to the President, to your government, and they are charging a march of unprecedented size if the Congress does not stop the Iraq War.
00:02:02.000For a long ride here with Iraq, and we'll have Dean Velville.
00:02:06.000He also once sued President Nixon to try to stop the Vietnam War, chastised Congressional Democratic leadership for stating that they will not cut off funds for the US troops.
00:02:18.000And he is a constitutionalist, folks, so we'll be honored to have the Dean with us, Dean Lawrence Velville, joining us in the third hour of our broadcast today.
00:02:27.000Here's what we're going to get to, or try to get to, during the program, and specifically here in the first hour, we'll talk more about Iran.
00:02:36.000Robert Gates, your new Secretary of Defense, has come out and admitted that The build-up, the military build-up in the Persian Gulf is for Iran.
00:03:08.000We're about to, or potentially, or allegedly, go to war in Iran, and we're sending them the army gear to fight us.
00:03:16.000We'll talk a little bit about Cheney and spying and The fact that Bush and Cheney just haven't blinked since they lost Congress and the Senate.
00:03:25.000They obviously know something that you and I do not, or they are insane.
00:03:30.000I guess you can look at it either way.
00:03:32.000Of course, Bush, the script reader, just not in the loop.
00:03:35.000I don't think he quite understands the level of hatred of not just Americans, but people around the world.
00:03:43.000And not for America, but for the Bush administration, for the neocons.
00:03:47.000We'll also talk about a law that could come into effect.
00:03:51.000I put that law in the quotations because some of you know what that means.
00:03:55.000Regarding disclosure of government data mining, this could become U.S.
00:04:01.000The Scooter Libby trial begins and people talking about how this could become a high-profile bloodletting, no pun intended, We'll talk a little bit about it.
00:04:12.000We have time today, and if not, we'll try to get to this tomorrow, or we'll get to this sometime in my five hours on the air today with GCN.
00:04:22.000A lot of new developments in that, including the trial of the staged copycat bomber.
00:04:28.000Of course, they didn't really have any evidence, or no evidence that they've been able to share with us here, the public at large, regarding the 7-7 bombing, and who might be guilty of that.
00:04:39.000So they staged a copycat event and got that all on film, so that should certainly convince anybody out there who doesn't believe that 7-7 is a staged government-sponsored terror attack.
00:04:49.000You're listening to the Alex Jones Show.
00:04:51.000We'll be right back after this, folks.
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00:07:05.000Soon it will be upon us as an overwhelming surprise.
00:07:08.000The world is pressing toward a forced one-world religion.
00:07:11.000The real issue behind this is the union of church and state nullifying our First Amendment.
00:07:17.000Americans will have to give up their peculiar beliefs and accept what the new world religious leaders prescribe.
00:07:22.000In 2005, President Bush signed the Real ID Act, which goes into effect May 11, 2008.
00:07:28.000Many people believe that this will be the mark of the beast because of the restrictive measures included, which seems to parallel the no buying and selling of Revelations 13, 17.
00:07:37.000In Revelations 14, 9, speaking of the mark of the beast, it says, If any man worship the beast, take notice.
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00:08:08.000All right, thank you for joining us today.
00:08:13.000Obviously you care about this country or you'd be listening to some neocon screaming head like Lush Limpa.
00:08:23.000So you must care about your country, you must care about the world, you must care about yourself, your neighborhood, your neighbors, your co-workers, people on the street.
00:08:32.000Otherwise, why else would you tune in?
00:08:33.000I know I'm in trouble when we start off the first segment.
00:08:37.000I'm setting up the news and I run out of time before I can get out just the headlines that we want to talk about on the Alex Jones Show today.
00:08:45.000So, obviously we're not going to get to all of it, but we'll do our very best.
00:09:11.000The Defense Secretary Robert Gates today announced, that was yesterday, that the massive increase in military power in the Persian Gulf is directly aimed at Iran.
00:09:22.000Gates comments followed a weekend of intense and heavily loaded rhetoric on the part of many neocon figureheads signaling the faintest spark could ignite a huge escalation of the conflict in the Middle East.
00:09:36.000Speaking in Brussels after meeting NATO officials, Mr. Gates said, we are simply reaffirming that statement The importance of the Gulf region and the United States and our determination to be an ongoing strong presence in that area for a long time in the future.
00:09:53.000Now, some could call this saber-rattling.
00:09:56.000If so, it's extremely expensive and provocative in just about every sense of the word.
00:10:03.000Gates said that the Patriot... You'll like this, folks.
00:10:07.000Talk about Orwellian double-speak, news-speak.
00:10:10.000Gates said that the Patriot anti-missile missiles, aircraft carriers, cruise missile firing ships have been deployed in order to show Iran that the U.S.
00:10:20.000means business and will not be distracted by the turmoil in Iraq.
00:10:25.000The buildup has now been going on for weeks and shows no sign of being purely a warning.
00:10:31.000The Patriot missiles are intended to shoot down Iranian missiles.
00:10:35.000The naval forces are there to preempt Iranian Interference with oil shipments, which would immediately cause retaliations to any strike.
00:10:45.000A former commander of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, Admiral Edward Bolton, yesterday revealed that he believes a missile attack on the Iranians is imminent, while Republican congressman and 2008 presidential candidate Ron Paul fears a staged Gulf of Tonkin-style incident may be used to provoke these airstrikes in Iran.
00:11:48.000Indeed, the Far News Agency reported yesterday that there have already been rumors of non-existent clashes These are rumors of non-existent clashes between Iranian and American battleships in Persian Gulf waters.
00:12:01.000A senior Iranian official viewed the rumor as part of the enemy's psychological war in Iran.
00:12:07.000And basically what they're saying here is there doesn't even have to be a Gulf of Tonkin incident.
00:12:15.000I'm sure there's some type of beta test going on here just to see exactly what reaction there might be to these rumors.
00:12:24.000Last week, U.S.-led forces in northern Iraq arrested five Iranians who the U.S.
00:12:29.000military says were connected to an Iranian Revolutionary Guard faction that funds and arms insurgents in Iraq, a claim that Iran has also rejected.
00:12:37.000I would assume they have proof, or at least manufactured proof of that.
00:13:00.000propaganda outlets by the neocons are supposed to convince us that this is now the case, however, this is much like a story that came out, we still have it up at jackblood.com, probably came out about six, eight months ago, big headline story, it was such a joke that we actually covered it as comedy and not as news, and that was Osama Bin Laden's son is up working with the Iranians.
00:13:31.000This is what, if you read any of Greg Palast's work in his new book, Armed Madhouse, is fantastic on a lot of levels.
00:13:38.000He goes over this, and the fact that Bush, the Saudis, and allegedly Osama Bin Laden, Mr. Goldstein, all seem to have the same objectives, and that is to put out and to create a Islamist Superstate, which wouldn't likely include the Persians or the Shiites.
00:13:57.000So these people are mortal enemies, and this, of course, can be understood if you just take a look at the news in Iraq at any time, where they're killing each other.
00:14:06.000But they want us to believe this, and they consider the fact that, you know, we're dumbed down and we're stupid and we'll get all hyped up if Sean Vanity says something, or if Limp Baw says something, we'll all, at least 16% of us, that seems to be the numbers, will support the war.
00:14:22.000I guess that's all they feel they need.
00:14:27.000Has the war with Iran already started?
00:14:30.000This is being covered in Rosner's blog on Haratz.com.
00:14:35.000Senator Joe Biden, the Democrat from Delaware who's going to be running for president again, major gatekeeper, by the way, he spotted it at the end of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Biden looked sternly at the Secretary and made one last point.
00:14:53.000If the President concluded he had to invade Iran or Syria in pursuit of these networks, I believe the present authorization granted to the President to use force in Iraq does not cover that, and he does need Congressional authority to do that.
00:15:24.000As he mentioned in Wednesday night's speech, President Bush has ordered a second aircraft carrier, along with the support ships, to the Gulf.
00:15:32.000Succeeding in Iraq already requires defending its national integrity and stabilization in the reason in the face of extremist challenges, said the President.
00:15:45.000I think I mucked that up worse than he did.
00:15:47.000This begins with addressing Iran and Syria, he went on to say.
00:15:52.000If Bush was once Lyndon Johnson in Iraq and Vietnam, the President will now become Richard Nixon and Iran will serve as the neighboring Cambodia.
00:16:02.000Some of us remember 1970 Madam Secretary, Senator Chuck Hagel, who's been just all over Bush on this troop surge thing, a Republican out of Nebraska.
00:16:12.000Don't get me started on Hagel and his voting machines.
00:16:14.000But he told Rice, quote, and that was Cambodia.
00:16:18.000And when our government lied to the American people and said we didn't cross the border going to Cambodia, in fact we did.
00:16:24.000And you know, folks, this is what Haratz probably isn't going to cover and what we've mentioned numerous times.
00:16:30.000We're told by President Cheney, I mean President Bush, that Junior, as I think people call him.
00:16:37.000Temporary, as he's called in Skull and Bones.
00:16:40.000We're told that if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists.
00:16:43.000Anybody harboring or working with terrorists will suffer the wrath of the government.
00:16:53.000And here we are, working with MEK, which are a known terrorist organization.
00:16:58.000We arrested these guys in Iraq, allegedly.
00:17:01.000And now they're working for us inside and around Iran.
00:17:25.000So it is the ultimate level of hypocrisy For George W. or Dick Cheney or any of these neocons or their supporters or their controllers to have us believe that we have to go into Iran, Iraq, Syria and the like because there are terrorists hiding there.
00:18:05.000I think it's about two, two, three minutes long, in front of Congress, really showing his muster, being bold, and talking about this next Gulf of Tonkin incident.
00:18:23.000Ivanov, Russia has delivered new anti-aircraft missile systems to Iran and will consider further requests by Tehran for defensive weapons.
00:18:32.000Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said earlier today, we have supplied the modern short-range anti-aircraft systems, the TOR-M1, in accordance with our contracts.
00:18:45.000Ivanov told reporters Iran is not under sanctions and if it wants to buy defensive equipment for its armed forces, then why not?
00:18:54.000Defense Ministry source later told Reuters deliveries of hardware under the $1 billion deal which has been criticized by the West have not yet been completed.
00:19:04.000Washington and Israel have criticized the contract to supply these missiles to Iran.
00:19:10.000Well, on the other side of the coin, this is out of the Associated Press today, the U.S.
00:19:14.000military has sold forbidden equipment At least a half a dozen times to middlemen for countries including Iran and China, who exploited security flaws in the Defense Department's surplus auctions.
00:19:35.000Iran and other Syria are providing these weapons to the fighters in Iraq, although there are these open-air bizarre sales Where you can buy U.S.
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00:24:17.000To see if I still feel I focus on the pain The only thing that's real The Great Joe and the Holy King Jack Blood sitting in for Alex Jones.
00:24:39.000So you are listening to the Alex Jones Show and Genesis Communications Radio Network.
00:25:48.000Maybe we need to start buying some of this stuff.
00:25:51.000But custom agents confiscated them after the sale, returned them back to the Pentagon, which sold them again.
00:25:59.000Customs evidence tags still attached to another buyer, a suspected broker for Iran.
00:26:06.000That incident appalled even an expert on weakness in the Pentagon's surplus security controls.
00:26:12.000Quote, that would be evidence of a significant breakdown in my view in controls and processes, said Greg Coots.
00:26:20.000The Government Accountability Office's head, the GAO's head of Special Investigations, quote, it shouldn't happen the first time, let alone the second time.
00:26:29.000Of course, what we're talking about here, folks, is plausible deniability using arms dealers and middlemen.
00:26:37.000George Herbert Walker Bush, an expert in this, by the way, and this is how they, this is how Saddam Hussein and others got a lot of their weapons.
00:26:46.000We don't actually sell them, we just kind of put them out so the black market can get them, where we know they're going to an alleged enemy, and I mean alleged.
00:26:57.000The Pentagon recently retired its Tomcats and it's shipping tens of thousands of spare parts to its surplus office, the Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service, everything has to be Orwellian, where they could be sold in public auctions.
00:27:12.000Iran is Only the only other country flying F-14s.
00:27:18.000It stands to reason Iran will be even more aggressive seeking F-14 parts, said Stephen Bogney, head of Immigration, Customs, Enforcement, Arms, Export, Investigations.
00:27:29.000Iran can only produce about 15% of the parts itself.
00:27:33.000Sensitive military surplus items are supposed to be demilitarized or demilled, rendered useless for military purposes, or if auctioned, sold only to buyers who promise to obey U.S.
00:27:50.000The GAO, again the investigative arm of Congress, found it alarmingly easy to acquire sensitive surplus.
00:27:58.000Last year, its agents bought 1.1 million worth of rocket launchers, body armor, and surveillance antennas by driving onto the base and posing as defense contractors.
00:28:11.000They helped us load our van, Kootz said.
00:28:14.000Investigators used fake identity to access a surplus website operated by the Pentagon contractor and bought still more, including dozens of microcircuits used in F-14 fighters.
00:28:25.000The undercover buyers received phone calls from the Defense Department asking why they had no Social Security number or credit history.
00:28:32.000But they deflected the questions by presenting a phony utility bill and claiming to be an identity theft victim.
00:28:39.000If you want to know how to do it, it's right here off the Drudge Report.
00:28:44.000I assume I'm not talking out of class.
00:28:48.000The Pentagon's public surplus sales took in $57 million in fiscal 2005.
00:28:52.000million in fiscal 2005, $57 million selling black market spare parts.
00:28:59.000The agency also moves extra supplies around within the government and gives surplus military gear such as weapons, armored personnel carriers, and aircraft to state and local law enforcement.
00:29:10.000Investigators have found that the Pentagon's inventory and sales controls are rife with errors.
00:29:16.000They say the sales are closely watched by friends and foes of the United States.
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00:34:11.000To deal with this problem, but people here in the South don't really know how to deal with this kind of weather, and it's been, I think, very costly on a lot of levels.
00:34:21.000Thus, I am doing the program from the Deadline Live studios instead of the Infowar studios today, not taking a chance.
00:34:27.000Not that I can't make it there, and I can't drive there, but that other people won't be able to drive and will crash into me.
00:34:34.000And of course I'm driving no insurance and you know the story folks.
00:34:38.000I'm sure many of you do the same thing.
00:34:39.000I want to play this clip real quick by Ron Paul.
00:34:41.000We talked about this yesterday but here is the actual clip which aired on C-SPAN.
00:36:03.000Our CIA says Iran is 10 years away from producing a nuclear bomb and has no delivery system.
00:36:10.000But this does not impede our plans to keep everything on the table when dealing with Iran.
00:36:17.000We should remember that Iran, like Iraq, is a third world nation without a significant military.
00:36:23.000Nothing in history hints that she is likely to invade a neighboring country, let alone do anything to America or Israel.
00:36:31.000I'm concerned, however, that a contrived Gulf of Punkin-type incident may well occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran.
00:36:41.000Even if such an attack is carried out by Israel over U.S.
00:36:44.000objections, we will be politically and morally culpable since we provided the weapons and the dollars to make it possible.
00:36:53.000Mr. Speaker, let's hope I'm wrong about this one.
00:36:59.000Let's hope he's wrong about that, and that wasn't the best clip, of course, playing that off the internet, but a lot of the noise I think you heard was chatter.
00:37:06.000That is the fellow Congressional members talking, not listening to this most important speech, but obviously Ron Paul gets it.
00:37:16.000And obviously, by putting that on the record, other people in Congress have a chance to get it.
00:37:20.000If they'd only listened to Ron Paul and not AIPAC, I think we'd have a chance to fend this off.
00:37:28.000It is really a dire situation and I don't mean to make light of it.
00:38:29.000I just wanted to let you and your viewers know that in November I worked with you too, and I managed to give four copies of Terror Storm to the band, which was quite good.
00:38:46.000Just wanted to encourage all your listeners to do whatever they can to get out the message.
00:38:55.000Anything else you've got to say that's going on, Jack?
00:41:46.000And you're going to find an attorney in Chicago uh... he's very expensive i gotta tell you this is this is really one of the worst things happening in this country and all this admit to you when i've been through this and i lost my daughter like this it was in the best interest of the trial that my daughter had nothing to do with the father ever and i was a railroad in the kangaroo court my uh...
00:42:11.000My father-in-law was an esteemed person in the state and the first judge had to recuse himself because he was such good friends with my daughter's family.
00:44:13.000I sort of had a leftover 2007 prediction, and I'll tell you about my day in court tomorrow.
00:44:20.000But the prediction is that there's going to be a housing collapse in late July and August, and it's going to trigger the big cake sliding off of the plate, rather than just the icing off the cake.
00:44:36.000We're already seeing all the signs of that.
00:44:38.000In fact, housing and building, it's all down right now as we speak.
00:44:41.000I just saw an article today that condos in some of the biggest cities in America are almost unsellable at this point.
00:44:47.000So anyway, I have that for a prediction.
00:44:51.000Tomorrow, I'm going to have my day in court and I'm going to constitutionally challenge a policy.
00:44:57.000And it's going to sound exactly like the 1960s all over again, where they said, separate but equal is the excuse they used to discriminate against people.
00:45:07.000And nowadays, money determines your rights, not the Constitution.
00:45:13.000But the thing being that nobody ever said that the Constitution was repealed.
00:45:19.000You still have those rights, but now everyone expects The more money you pay into the system, the more rights you have, and I think that's where we're going.
00:45:40.000I mean, this is what I'm talking to you about.
00:45:42.000We are being documented, as you say, on what contribution we have to the oligarchy and how we're living up to the expectations of said oligarchy.
00:45:52.000You know, they put a price on our head.
00:45:53.000The minute we're born, and they feel we're worth a certain amount of money, a million, two million, three million dollars.
00:45:59.000This is why you have to wear your seatbelt.
00:46:02.000They're not trying to protect you, they're trying to protect their investment, which is you!
00:46:05.000The 14th Amendment says that we have to pay in, that we are subsidiaries of this USA corporation incorporated in Maryland or something.
00:46:16.000But I do know that in order to challenge a law or a policy, you have to get it into the court system.
00:47:41.000Henry Kissinger, you know, we fully supported it.
00:47:43.000And then, of course, when we had the Islamic Revolution, all of a sudden, there's no reason for Iran to seek peaceful nuclear energy, so it must be weapons, right?
00:48:30.000I mean, this is why the rhetoric is escalating, as well as the troop deployments.
00:48:35.000Now, was Iraq involved in that commodity exchange?
00:48:39.000Iraq was moving to Euros as they were being attacked, and again, I want to refer Greg Palast's book to Armed Madhouse, and he talks about, you know, look, what did Saddam really do to tick off the West?
00:48:53.000And he was flooding the market with oil, and he was driving down the price.
00:48:58.000And this is what upset them so much, so they went in.
00:49:00.000And not to get the oil so much, but to keep it in the ground.
00:49:04.000You can't have rogue people producing oil.
00:49:08.000I mean, even Hugo Chavez and Ahmadinejad now appealing to OPEC to cut production because prices have gone down, and it's hurting their economy.
00:49:20.000In a way, I think that there might be some cohesive strategy to do this, but you see, it's not so much about getting the oil out of the ground as it is keeping the oil in the ground.
00:49:31.000Is that Alex Jones' main point on why the U.S.
00:50:00.000And I have to say that, you know, I don't know if they're so concerned about moving to Euros and crashing the dollar.
00:50:07.000Dick Cheney, Warren Buffett, George Soros, all out betting against the dollar.
00:50:12.000So, I'm not sure if that's the primary reason.
00:50:14.000Obviously, when we're talking about, you know, butting heads with the New World Order here, they want control of everything.
00:50:21.000And if they feel they don't have control of a certain region or country, they want to break in and stop that.
00:50:27.000Now, of course, we're going to be told that it's to save the women and children in Iran, as we are already planning to bomb and kill millions of them.
00:50:37.000Because we want to save them from those evil mullahs.
00:50:39.000But, you know, we've done shows on this.
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00:54:17.000As I said, there are so many levels to benefit from going into Iran eventually.
00:54:23.000Personally, I think that it's very costly and it will be very dangerous, but of course the New World Order, the West, the Bush administration see dollar signs, profits, control of the region, Order out of chaos.
00:54:37.000Of course, Iran, as most of us know, are enemies of Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq.
00:54:44.000They're enemies of our friends, the Arabs, in the region of which we have extensive business relations.
00:54:57.000Above and beyond all this, there's the angle here that China is getting a lot of its oil from Iran, which I think scares the military-industrial complex here in Oceania, let's call it.
00:55:11.000So there are a multitude of so-called benefits, and we like to ask this question, who benefits from something like this?
00:55:18.000And we'll see the usual players benefiting.
00:55:20.000There'll be reconstruction if and when the country is conquered.
00:55:24.000It is a third world country, and they have some sophisticated missiles and apparatus.
00:55:28.000But look, I mean, it's going to be a knockoff.
00:55:31.000Keeping the peace, of course, will be the hard part.
00:55:34.000It'll be a repeat of Afghanistan and Iraq if and when this happens.
00:55:37.000I'm not sure it's even going to happen.
00:55:40.000Because the risk involved in trying to pull this off is extraordinary.
00:55:44.000And that's something certainly that the neocons have been contemplating all this time.
00:56:32.000The reason I'm calling is I'm really concerned about the nation's water supply.
00:56:37.000We heard the other day that fish are actually having a difficult time reproducing due to all the birth control that's finding its way back into fresh water due to people passing it and getting into the water supply again.
00:56:51.000But if you think about it, If birth control is in the water supply, you've got a whole host of pharmaceutical chemicals that we're all drinking every time we grab a glass of water.
00:57:30.000And whenever she went in and was tested for this, and they put her on all the diabetic medication, immediately she began gaining weight.
00:57:37.000Then we've gotten her off of that and onto a vegan diet, and she's able to do without all these medications and keep her blood sugar levels in check, but one of the side effects of a lot of these medications is immediate weight gain, and you know that all of us are carrying around a spare tire or two, and I think this is something that we need to think about.
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01:02:11.000Got the ordinance that they did for the immigration.
01:02:16.000And I typed up a pretty good letter, four pages long, and I sent it to the city council here in Olathe, and I sent it to the city commissioners.
01:02:34.000I mean, the thing is, this really adds up.
01:02:37.000So, when you think that, well, all I'm doing is, you know, writing the establishment, and it's just one letter, but if we do that a thousand times over, or hundreds of times over, I mean, you're not...
01:02:48.000Well, I know Sam Brownback, Dennis Moore, and Pat Roberts.
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01:02:53.000In fact, we heard a report here just recently that the congressional switchboards are about to shut down.
01:02:59.000They're so sick of getting calls from you freedom-loving Americans.
01:03:03.000Oh, well, I know Sam Brownback, Dennis Moore, and Pat Roberts, they got my name on a rubber stamp.
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01:08:31.000I'll tell folks that everybody should go and if you go to austintollparty.com right now and send a message there towards the bottom of the page, you'll get into our list and we'll let you know if that meeting is postponed because of the weather.
01:09:01.000And they were going to have a barbecue.
01:09:02.000And they were going to have a good time rubbing elbows with their base, which is the elite.
01:09:07.000And now they can't do it, and there was no Martin Luther King celebrations yesterday either, but there's a possibility this weather could carry over, and you're saying, where do we go to get the last-minute instructions?
01:09:18.000Well, if folks go to AustinTollParty.com and send a message to basically tell your Campbell board members, if you can't go, and you know you can't go, go to AustinTollParty.com because you'll be able to send a message to all the Campbell board members with a click of one button, and if you are considering going tomorrow night, By sending that email, you'll go into our list, and if the meeting is postponed, we'll send an email to you to let you know.
01:09:44.000If it's going, though, we need people down there.
01:09:47.000If you absolutely can't make it, can't get a babysitter that you can bring your children to this, if you have an excuse that is just insurmountable, you can go to austintollparty.com and They'll help you register your opinion.
01:10:02.000Basically, what we want them to do, Sal, is to vote no on the Phase 2 toll roads.
01:10:18.000It does start at 6 o'clock, so if you want to try to get there a little bit early, sign up, and you'll have three minutes to address these vampires.
01:10:27.000That's right, and we started doing this a few years ago, and because of the pressure we put on them, phase two tolls are sort of in this precarious position.
01:10:39.000One of the toll roads was pulled from the plan.
01:10:42.000and people are driving that road free today because these roads are already paid for.
01:10:47.000And another one was sort of financially pulled from the plan, and then others were postponed for a couple years.
01:10:55.000So we really did a job on them with Phase 2, and we're seeing tomorrow night as possibly our knockout punch, and that's why we need everybody to go.
01:11:05.000On a scale of 1 to 10, this is a must-attend 10 event.
01:11:13.000And there's a lot of other strange things that are going on.
01:11:16.000Senator Kirk Watson, our new senator here in Central Texas, he's looking to alter the CAMPO board, even though he's never sat on the board for one day.
01:11:27.000Tomorrow night will be his first night.
01:11:28.000But he's been working behind the scenes to set himself up to be the chair of Campo.
01:11:35.000And he's looking to bring on unaccountable organizations to have a seat at the table.
01:11:43.000Alliance of Cities, which is not registered with any city, county, or our state.
01:11:48.000He's looking to give them three seats at the table of 18.
01:11:51.000And he's looking to bring the CTRMA, the toll authority, And to give them a seat at the table to vote on their own toll plan.
01:12:05.000I assume you'll be addressing this in public at this meeting tomorrow, Sal.
01:12:09.000Yes, and hopefully I'll have, I'm working right now on some handouts I'll have for people to let them know exactly how Kirk Watson is sort of stacking the deck for the tollers.
01:12:20.000One of the key things that he's looking to do is sort of what I think he's trying to do is basically say okay let's postpone the vote and then let's come out with plan B and here's plan B. It's no longer tolls, it's managed lanes.
01:12:40.000They're not toll roads, they're managed lanes.
01:12:44.000So most the community will see, oh they're not going to do tolls anymore, they're only going to do managed lanes.
01:12:48.000But managed lanes is only a marketing term for tolls.
01:12:53.000These are tricky, slippery politicians.
01:12:55.000Well, you've got it here where the tolling tax-funded roads will cost a family thousands of dollars a year.
01:13:02.000Depending on how much you drive, obviously, if you use some of these tolls, I believe now you have an option to use the tolls or not use the tolls.
01:13:10.000I don't know if that's going to be how it will work out into the future.
01:13:14.000Well, the tollers say you have an option, but the problem is they basically take an expressway.
01:13:32.000And they'll never fix that congestion because that way they'll force you onto the toll road.
01:13:36.000So it's really, there is no alternative.
01:13:39.000I mean, it's just like harassing people to get on an airplane with TSA because they want you to be part of the registered traveler program.
01:14:30.000What it's looking like is they're going to attempt, especially if we have a big turn up there, they're going to attempt to postpone this vote hoping that you'll forget about it, you'll get too busy, you'll lose interest, and then they'll be able to just slam it through and no one's really looking.
01:14:45.000But, I mean, what we have to say here We're always told we live in this democracy, Sal, that it's the will of the people and the politicians are just these caretakers who are out there doing our bidding, so to speak, which if anybody believes that, I think we'd have to
01:15:02.000Well, I can't say that on the air, but you know, ultimately here, most people in Austin are against this toll road, despite the little songs and the cartoons that you see on TV or you hear on the radio, the little jingles they have for the text tag stickers.
01:15:18.000When you guys have gone out and hit the streets, we've found that a majority of people are against this toll road.
01:15:24.000And you know, the Phase 2 tolls, when people actually find out that they're tolling roads we've already paid for, They're tolling our public highways.
01:15:31.000They're giving the right-of-way we paid for, the construction of the road we paid for, to private corporations.
01:15:37.000And those private companies are giving contributions to our elected officials.
01:15:44.000But a lot of folks don't know this, and that's what we're out there trying to do.
01:15:47.000And that's why the key to winning this The war, and we've won a lot of battles, is to stay connected.
01:15:53.000And when you go to AustinTollParty.com and send that message, you stay connected with us.
01:15:58.000We'll do all the hard, deep research and keep you up to date with the most important things you can do to sort of keep our freeways free.
01:16:06.000You know, what I'm getting at, of course, is the hypocrisy that we allegedly live in this democracy and that these guys are just doing what we want them to do, which couldn't be really further from the truth.
01:16:16.000And we see that on both the federal level and the state level, the city level.
01:16:19.000But there's another issue involved here, and that is what we're always told about safety.
01:16:24.000Everything the government does is for our safety.
01:16:27.000Every time you hear safety, that should raise a red flag that somebody's got their hand in your pocket.
01:17:01.000Associated Press did a fantastic story just some months ago that we got linked there somewhere on our site and on my blog to the right.
01:17:11.000That the toll plazas cause more accidents, and the toll roads are more dangerous than non-toll roads.
01:17:17.000But these politicians, they always, you know, whenever they just want the community to do whatever they want to do, we're doing this for safety reasons.
01:17:26.000Everything's for safety reasons, even though they're reaping the benefits from their contributors.
01:17:32.000Of course, another excuse to put toll roads up and to build these giant trans-Texas corridors and these NAFTA highways.
01:17:42.000Which, I guess, if you really and truly address the illegal immigration problem, we saw this when they took a big strike there on May Day, and it was easier than ever to drive on the roads.
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01:24:07.000Sal, I want to play this commercial that you guys put out real quick because we're hearing the commercials from the other side all over the radio here in Austin, Texas.
01:25:32.000That really goes against the whole fair and balanced objective journalist angle.
01:25:37.000Well, we've actually been very fortunate.
01:25:39.000There have been specific reporters that have done fantastic, a fantastic job reporting.
01:25:46.000KXAN, we have a great reporter there, Chris Willis, he has done some fantastic things.
01:25:53.000We sat down a couple months ago, he asked me a whole bunch of details, he asked me for documents and proof, and he's done some fantastic reporting for us, and some of those we put on YouTube.
01:26:06.000So you could do some searches for Austin toll roads and you'll find a lot of these KXAN news things.
01:26:14.000But folks like the Statesman have not done any balance stories for many, many months.
01:26:23.000And they don't even print letters to the editors opposing the toll roads anymore.
01:26:27.000I know a lot of folks who have sent them in, including myself.
01:26:31.000Well, obviously it's a long list of people who aren't working with you, but thanks to the people that are helping you and are working with you.
01:26:39.000And if you don't live in Texas or you don't live in Austin and this isn't an issue for you, it will be an issue into the future because where Texas goes, usually the rest of the country goes, and we've already seen New Jersey go for this a long, long time ago.
01:26:51.000So you need to form your own state toll party.
01:26:54.000I'm sure Sal would be happy to work with you and these guys would be happy to work with you to figure that out.
01:27:59.000At the website, austintollparty.com, that's correct.
01:28:02.000And Jack, you did some great research.
01:28:08.000Coming out, was it ten months ago, maybe?
01:28:10.000We found out that the same problems they were having up with the Big Dig we're having here and that they're not building these freeways, these toll booths up to code.
01:28:20.000That was from a whistleblower, an inspector on these roads.
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01:32:51.000We need everybody to drop what they're doing and come down to this.
01:32:54.000We really need to have a show of force here to let these Again, I like to call them vampires because they are really sucking off the real wealth here in this city and in this state and in our country at large.
01:33:08.000We need to let them know where we stand.
01:33:13.000We'll give out the address one more time.
01:33:14.000We'll also plug it again tomorrow just to make sure you get there.
01:33:17.000Sal, you said you had some new development regarding some of the research that I had done a while back with some of the whistleblowers working on the toll roads.
01:33:25.000Oh, yeah, I did, and I'm sorry, I guess I didn't finish my sentence, but it's kind of confidential, so I want to talk with you when you're done with your show.
01:33:34.000You'll like the news, but unfortunately I can't.
01:33:37.000Well, I mean, what we found, and I'll just give people the quick highlight, one of the quick highlights is the aggregate.
01:33:44.000This is what makes up the concrete, folks, that holds up these roads, is being substandardly used.
01:33:52.000This is exactly the same problem that they had in the Big Dig.
01:33:55.000This just came out about six months ago.
01:33:58.000I'm still trying to find time to write a part two to my article, Sal, because it really ties in.
01:34:03.000We saw what happened with the Big Dig.
01:34:05.000Not only did the people die, but they bilked the alleged taxpayers for billions of dollars in overcost.
01:34:11.000This was run by George Shultz's company, Bechtel, which is also getting a lot of these low, no-bid contracts in Iraq.
01:34:20.000In New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, so it's the usual suspects, but Sal, I want to hear what you have.
01:34:25.000I'm still putting together information so I can write a part two to this and I probably will hit on this a little bit when I show up to your meeting tomorrow night.
01:35:14.000Annalisa Peace, who's an environmentalist, executive director of Greater Edwards, Aquafire, Elias, everybody!
01:35:21.000The point I'm trying to make, and this is just like the Tunes Not Tolls event that you guys put off, which was a huge success.
01:35:26.000Everybody getting together, maybe putting aside some of their piquant differences in order to stop these roads and bring this to the attention of the people that need to know about it.
01:35:38.000That's exactly right, and you know, Paul Burke, senior editor of Texas Monthly will also speak, and he's Obviously in the mainstream media, but it's a great example of every now and then we get somebody in the mainstream media that actually tells the story, and he's written a few articles.
01:35:58.000That TechStot is overestimating its funding, trying to tack on an extra $30 billion?
01:36:03.000Yeah, he was the first mainstream media to basically tell everybody that, hey, not only has TechStot lied and inflated their needs by $30 billion, but There's a report that, when the report came out, I found out through Paul Berka's article, where he basically said, hey look, tolls aren't needed.
01:36:27.000The Texas Institute for Transportation just told us that.
01:36:31.000He said it's the worst public fiasco in his lifetime.
01:36:36.000So it's a pretty big name to have for This weekend, I think.
01:36:42.000But we see with this, TxDOT is doing the exact same thing with these non-compete clauses that the Carlyle Group is doing, that Bain Associates, or any of these big equity companies that are slurping up all of the resources and assets, the real wealth here in this country, and this is how they do it.
01:39:58.000The question is the two that I want to ask, on the crime bill that they put in there, the debt crime bill, where coded colors would be used to classify people when they owe debts.
01:40:11.000We've talked about this extensively and this of course dials into that real ID card where there's going to be a biometric, and this is the plan ultimately to have it evolve, using the card, getting used to the card, someone steals your card, you gotta get the microchip, but it has a certain rating for you as a human.
01:40:29.000And if you have outstanding creditors, you owe the corporations, or you've been speaking out, maybe handing out Alex Jones videotapes, I mean, whatever it might be, that will go on your alleged, your so-called permanent record.
01:40:43.000And they're going to rate you as a citizen to what value you have to the oligarchy.
01:40:49.000And if you're not a good boy and something goes on your permanent record, One of the things they hate the most isn't that you borrowed money and you couldn't pay it back, but you didn't borrow the money to begin with.
01:40:58.000That's something they really don't like, and if that's a mark against you, you're going to find it hard to do business.
01:41:04.000You're going to find it hard to operate and to enjoy your freedom.
01:41:17.000Lonnie, because we're told there's a massive immigration problem here, so they build camps and start raiding us as humans and create no-work lists, so that you have to be approved, just like a no-fly list, before you can get a job, before someone is allowed to hire you, and of course we see all the mistakes with the four-year-olds and Ted Kennedy being on the no-fly list, so of course they're going to be incompetent, they're going to make mistakes, And they're going to really put us through it.
01:41:55.000Well, that's the thing we always have to remember, isn't it Lonnie, that the base of the pyramid, if we live in this pyramid scheme structure, and they're at the top of the pyramid, controlling the command and control, top-down, need-to-know, informationed, and assets and freedoms of the people down below, we have to remember that the base of the pyramid holds up the top of the pyramid, and as soon as we walk away and remove those bricks, they fall!
01:42:21.000But the fact is people are scared, Lonnie.
01:43:53.000He mentioned on the Focus on the Family Show, it would subject Focus on the Family Action and other watchdog groups to miles of red tape that would critically hamper our ability to rally concerned Americans like us to make your voices heard.
01:44:16.000But they could even face $100,000 fines for running afoul of this oppressive regulation.
01:44:22.000And Dr. Dobson clearly states the objective here is to hide what goes on from the public and to punish and silence those of us who would talk about what Congress is doing.
01:44:32.000Now what else is bad about this, and maybe you already know this, but it is on the fast track, which means they're going to vote on this Either tomorrow or Thursday.
01:44:41.000Yeah, obviously this is the first order of business, hence Senate Bill No.
01:46:11.000I'd just like to say that doing something isn't that hard, and now, during such an important time in our country, you are complicit if you sit and listen to Alex, or you, and then do nothing.
01:46:25.000That was the clip we played yesterday from Martin Luther King.
01:46:28.000Yeah, I was listening yesterday and I thought that was a really great clip.
01:46:32.000And I was going to say, I'm in an apartment complex and I'm just constantly bombarded by Chinese food advertisements and pizza advertisements.
01:46:45.000So, I thought I'm going to make a brochure with all the Real ID acts on it.
01:46:51.0009-11, Truce, NAFTA, Net Neutrality, Iraq, Iran, and the InfoWars website, the TexasPollParty.com website, as well as... UncoverTheNews.com, yeah, go ahead.
01:47:04.000Yeah, real nightmare, so I'm just going to send that out to all my fellow apartment We've been telling people to do this for years.
01:47:15.000It's an excellent idea whether you put out a flyer.
01:47:20.000You can go to a sporting event or a rock and roll event where there's a large congregation of automobiles and you can flyer all those cars.
01:47:27.000Here in our neighborhood we get a very dull Unimportant newsletter that is about two pages.
01:47:34.000You can make one of those, get those out to your neighbors.
01:47:38.000As you say, if it's legal to put the Chinese restaurant or the pizza brochures on your door, I would assume nobody would have a problem with you putting information about the REAL ID Act on their door.
01:47:47.000Alright, well I appreciate it, and thank you very much.
01:47:50.000That's a great idea, really, Stephanie.
01:47:53.000I hope you do it, and I hope everybody just heard what you said, and they think about doing it in their apartment complex, condo complex, or in their neighborhood.
01:48:23.000I've not heard a word about it on the news or... Well, allegedly they're going to be raided today and there is some issue on whether they're on government property, if they own the property, if they're being leased the property, and what rights they have.
01:48:37.000This gets into a complex issue, I guess, of even tenants' rights or leasing rights, if that is the case.
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01:54:17.000Regarding Wayne's problem in Arkansas, Wayne, I hope you're still listening because I recommend maybe you look up Jeffrey Levin in Chicago for father's rights issues.
01:54:26.000He has written, I thought, a very good book on the subject, which I would probably recommend, but I just got an email From Mike in Chicago who says he worked there and does not recommend him to put it lightly he used some language I probably shouldn't use on the air But so I'm not recommending Jeffrey Levin based on one of the listeners listening to this program Thanks Mike for bringing this to our attention, but the book is I think it could possibly help you.
01:54:54.000I'm just trying to rack my brain to think of something to help Wayne, and I think I just gave him a sentiment in the wrong direction.
01:55:26.000I would like all of the stations already picking up this show to call Genesis and see about taking my program by satellite.
01:55:34.000We have a number of very brave affiliates across the country as well, and we are constantly expanding.
01:55:39.000So the question is, you could write me personally or write Alex personally.
01:55:44.000I'd like to think if I can get the program director or the general sales manager on the line from one of these mom-and-pop stations Uh, and just talk to them for maybe five or ten minutes.
01:55:54.000Being a former program director myself, I'll be able to speak their language, and I think we can do the job.
01:55:59.000So that your goal is to get the program directors, the sales managers, the general managers of these radio stations.
01:56:06.000You gotta shoot for mom and pop stations.
01:56:07.000They're most likely standalone stations, not giant corporate stations.
01:56:12.000They're most likely to pick us up, but you're more than welcome to harass one of the big syndicators as well.
01:56:17.000And just let them know that tons of listeners all over the world are listening to these shows.
01:56:23.000They're growing faster than you can shake a stick at, and they need to at least check out the option of picking these shows up on a barter basis.
01:56:32.000And then you'll have them call Genesis to the affiliate people at Genesis Communications Network, or you can send your Well, yeah, I think it's really important.
01:56:50.000I mean, obviously, I know there's, you know, every day there are a lot of people waking up to this stuff, but I think, you know, obviously we always have to keep, you know, we all individually have to always remember what we can do to expand it even more.
01:57:02.000And I mean, I feel like one other thing I want to ask you quickly, sort of on the same Why is it that it seems like, you know, some places you go, you can hold, you know, ten people in a bar or whatever, and some places you'll get a good res... you know... For instance, if I go to... How about this?
01:58:14.000I mean, that would be apparent to anyone.
01:58:15.000I am Jack Blood, doing my very best to fill the enormous shoes of Alex Jones today, tomorrow, Bob Dacey sitting in at the end of the week, and then Alex coming back rejuvenated, renewed, to work with you to take on the New World Order and interview some of the biggest names out there in the news business.
01:58:36.000But I appreciate you hanging in there with me, you supporting me doing the program, and like I said, I'm just going to try to do the best I can.
01:58:43.000Just real quick, we have a guest coming up here in just about five minutes, a great activist, at least on paper, We'll open up a can of worms with him and see exactly where he stands, but they're threatening huge, huge groups of people to protest if indeed Congress does not pull out of this war, which is exactly what I think Americans were voting for when they put the Democrats in Congress.
01:59:10.000It sounded kind of like a long answer, but go ahead and try to ask that again.
01:59:14.000I'll do the best I can in the time we have.
01:59:15.000I actually kind of, I realized that was a long answer question.
01:59:20.000Well, I was going to say that I think there's obviously a direct correlation between places who have any of the radio shows on versus ones that don't.
01:59:26.000I was going to say, you know, why is it that some places you go, it seems like you can talk to an average, you know, you'll find three, four out of five people you can tend to, you know, have a lot more in common, whereas like at least where I'm at, I'm not trying to... So you think it has something to do with geography?
01:59:40.000Yeah, well, not necessarily always the geography, but I'm just saying, like, at least here in Houston, and this can apply to everyone, not just people here in Houston, but we don't, I don't think there's one show that talks about stuff like this.
01:59:50.000I mean, everyone here can listen to it on the internet, but there's not anywhere you can... We have an RFA affiliate out somewhere in Houston, but obviously we need more of these microtransmitters going up around the country.
02:00:01.000You know, I don't know if that has that much to do with it.
02:00:04.000I mean, either you're ready for this kind of information or you're not.
02:00:09.000I think that it's really our job to... I kind of hate this metaphor, but plant seeds.
02:00:15.000Because what happens is, you go and you talk to somebody, you make a good case, they may not latch on to it right away, but then something will happen, they'll hear something, it will set them off, they'll start doing their own researching, they'll find more information, and then they're in!
02:00:31.000So just, some people just aren't ready for it.
02:01:21.000I think people, if you look at the polls, Tony, I mean, I don't know how big of a believer I am in polls, but I think people are starting to figure it out.
02:01:39.000People can't dare to do that in Texas!
02:01:42.000One of the many components to all of these wars, which of course have been laid out by the Project for a New American Century back in the 90s.
02:01:50.000I'll tell you how far this has gone, in my opinion, Tony.
02:01:53.000I was watching Brit Hume last night on Fox, and one of his pundits, I forget what his name is, but he's been a hawk now for years, recanted and said, look, if I knew what I knew now, he was defending Hillary Clinton almost, If I knew what I knew now, I wouldn't have been for the war.
02:02:09.000I mean, that is a profound 180 turn from fully supporting anything that President Bush does.
02:02:17.000People out there, it's very easy to do like that lady was saying, make a pamphlet.
02:02:21.000I live in New York, I go on the subway, when I'm going to do my business, I pull out a pamphlet and here's a story about 9-11.
02:02:26.000You know, uh, it's very easy to do, man.
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02:07:30.000In fact, you once sued President Nixon to try to stop the Vietnam War.
02:07:34.000You chastised Congressional Democratic leadership for stating that they'll not cut off funds for the U.S.
02:07:40.000troops, which of course means that we'll have 160,000 or so troops fighting in Iraq for years.
02:07:46.000I mean, it looks more like an escalation and less like a Band-Aid all the time.
02:07:52.000Well, I would say that I'm very much against it.
02:07:57.000I actually, in a blog that will be coming out today or tomorrow, have said, and I truly believe that it's immoral, as it were, for certain Democrats not to vote to cut off funds for the existing war because they are against Increasing funds to fund the surge or escalation, or whatever one wishes to call it.
02:08:22.000Obviously, they think that the existing war is already a failure, and they don't want to add to the failure by providing more funds.
02:08:31.000But if you think that the existing war is a failure, as they do, And yet you do not cut off the funds for it, then you are simply contributing to the forthcoming, you know, certain deaths and namings of how many, who knows how many thousands of Americans, and not to mention how many thousands of Iraqis.
02:08:53.000And you're doing it purely for political considerations because you don't wish to be tired with the white feather, so to speak.
02:09:01.000You don't want to be called a cotton runner, so to speak.
02:09:05.000You wish not to take political responsibility for doing what ought to be done.
02:09:13.000I mean, I don't know, there could be something involved in this with, you know, lobbyist groups, some of the same lobbyist groups that work with the Republicans, who the Democrats are endeared to, who really don't want to see the spigot shut off for this war.
02:09:29.000Well, you know, I just don't know enough to comment about that.
02:09:33.000I do know enough to say that ever since we began an imperialist course of action in 1898, And there are some who will place it earlier with the annexation of Hawaii by military means de facto in 1893.
02:09:51.000Ever since then, it has been a good principle to follow the money, as it is said.
02:09:57.000And, you know, there are lots of people who are big companies who have been making a lot of money in this war, I needn't tell you.
02:10:05.000And I'm sure that many of these corporations give money to Democrats, too.
02:10:10.000At the extent to which that can be moving some of the Democrats or affecting their views on whether they will cut off funds is not something that I really feel I know much about.
02:10:22.000Well, I mean, obviously fear is an effective tool.
02:10:26.000It's worked now, although these last six years, Dean, and I think it definitely has to be a big part of the equation.
02:10:34.000How do we alleviate this fear from our wonderful Democratic-led Congress?
02:10:39.000Is there a way we can do this other than taking them down?
02:10:45.000Well, you know, you've asked what I'm increasingly coming to think is perhaps the major question of American foreign policy.
02:10:55.000For a number of years now, and I have been saying this for many years, One of the real problems with American foreign policy is that in making that policy, our leaders tend to think as lawyers do, which may be an odd thing for a lawyer to say, but lawyers are constantly thinking up the worst possible case that one can imagine and saying that we must make our policy in light of that worst possible case
02:11:24.000We must make it in order to avoid or overcome that worst possible case, should it happen.
02:11:31.000Now, most of the time in human affairs, the worst possible case doesn't happen.
02:11:35.000And quite often, by preparing for the worst possible case, you just make things worse rather than better.
02:11:42.000And fear has been a major factor in this ever since roughly 1947 or 1948 and the beginning, maybe 1946, and the beginning of the Cold War when we were afraid of Russia and what it might do.
02:11:57.000We in Vietnam, for example, were afraid that if we did not overcome the Communists in Vietnam, we would, in the jargon of the day, be fighting them in San Francisco.
02:12:09.000They would take over Cambodia, they would take over Laos, they would take over Japan, they would take over the Philippines, and that was called the Domino Theory.
02:12:16.000The Domino Theory is a theory of fear.
02:12:19.000And we're doing, we have been doing much the same thing in Iraq.
02:12:23.000Partly we started in reverse with a reverse domino theory, a hopeful domino theory that was in itself absurd and based on a complete lack of knowledge or history.
02:12:32.000And that was that we could create a democracy in Iraq and that democracy would in turn result in the creation of democracies elsewhere in the Middle East.
02:12:44.000Today, we're again using a domino theory, but it's a domino theory of fear, that if we don't stop the enemy in Iraq, then Iran and Syria and Egypt and so forth will become more and more belligerent towards the interests of the West, more and more belligerent towards Israel, and there will just be hell to pay.
02:13:06.000Our basic problem, therefore, if you ask me or meet up, increasingly coming to think, as people increasingly talk about it, our basic problem is that we in this country are operating out of a culture of fear and we let it get in the way of more balanced thinking about things.
02:13:28.000Now, I don't know if Americans are so afraid now to get tarred and feathered as an anti-war activist or aiding the enemy.
02:13:36.000Obviously, this played a big part in why people didn't stand up several years ago.
02:13:41.000But I think you're seeing this, I'm certainly seeing this, and we're seeing this in the polls, that Americans have had enough of this.
02:13:49.000You know, we played a clip on our program a couple of weeks ago, about a week ago.
02:13:54.000Here's Oliver North saying that the troops don't support the surge, he doesn't support the surge.
02:14:00.000I talked about one of the pundits on a Fox News show with Britt Hume yesterday saying the war was a mistake.
02:14:07.000I mean, you know, at what point do the American people, at what point can the American people pressure Congress, pressure the Senate to really take up their ideas, their will, their lack of fear?
02:14:21.000When do we inspire Congress to not be afraid, and how can we again put the pressure on them?
02:14:27.000Well, you know, that's the most interesting point.
02:14:31.000I personally think And I've thought this for a long time, but I think the reaction to November 7th merely serves to confirm it.
02:14:40.000Democracy in this country is not what most of us think a democracy or a republic should be, in my judgment.
02:14:48.000We have a political class which really finds one reason after another to ignore the expressed will of the people.
02:14:58.000And whatever one may think was the will expressed in November 7th, I think you're awfully hard-pressed to say that the expression was that we should escalate in an attempt to win.
02:15:10.000George Bush gets on the TV the other night and says he doesn't care.
02:15:24.000I mean, what message does that send to the American people?
02:15:27.000Yes, well, you know, I'm afraid that the message we're getting is that, A, we have an executive branch which is out of control.
02:15:37.000B, we have a Congress which lacks the morality and intestinal fortitude to stop that executive branch, and C, this really is another step along a long train of steps that started, in reality, on June 20th or 21st, 1950, when Truman made up his mind with Hutchison that we were going to go into the Korean War without Congressional approval,
02:16:05.000Ed Anderson even said that this is not exactly the time to be thinking of constitutional niceties, or some phrase just like that.
02:16:14.000And then it continued in Vietnam, and then it continued in a whole bunch of other invasions of small countries, such as Panama, and such as Grenada.
02:16:26.000And the Dominican Republic and Haiti, wherever we send our troops, just as we started sending them all over hell and beyond, starting in 1898.
02:16:34.000And, you know, right now we do indeed, the American public, I think, are beginning to understand, at least a lot of people are beginning to understand, maybe not all, that we have an executive branch that is completely out of control and a Congress that lacks the guts to stop them.
02:16:52.000I tend to think that they're doing exactly what they want.
02:16:56.000It would seem out of control to us reasonable people out there, Dean Velville.
02:17:08.000I mean, are the American people going to get Are they going to take enough time to understand the same people that were involved in Vietnam, whether that be KBR, or Halliburton, or Cheney, or Negroponte, or George Herbert Walker Bush, are the same people involved in Iran-Contra, the same people involved in these latest wars?
02:17:28.000Let me get your answer to that question on the side of this break.
02:17:32.000Dean Lawrence Velville with us, folks.
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02:22:25.000In an October 2006 cover story, the National Jurist magazine named our guest today, Lawrence Velvill, one of the most influential people in legal education over the past 15 years.
02:22:39.000Dean Velville is the editor-in-chief of a journal of serious thought published by his law school that he helped found called The Long Term View.
02:22:48.000He's also host of an hour-long television book review show, Books of Our Time, produced by MSL and seen throughout New England.
02:22:57.000Dean Velville, it's so good to have you and there's so many questions I want to get to, but what about the same names being involved for the last 40 years in foreign policy?
02:23:07.000Headed off by, of course, Henry Kissinger, who, as we know, is consulting with George W. Bush, probably on his father's behalf or David Rockefeller's behalf, in the White House.
02:23:18.000I mean, the old adage is, you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it.
02:23:22.000Having the same people institute this foreign policy is pretty boneheaded.
02:23:27.000Well, I cannot do anything but agree with you and say that perhaps Modern medicine's ability to keep people alive longer and longer is not an unalloyed good, if you see what I mean.
02:23:41.000Yes, people who have particular worldviews have now been around and in power.
02:23:47.000Since roughly 1968 or 1973, depending on how one calculates it.
02:23:55.000And this includes the people you have mentioned.
02:23:58.000And, you know, it's really tragic in this regard that Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon has come to be regarded by most people in the United States As a good thing that caused us to avoid the divisions and so forth.
02:24:17.000I think that Pope Ford's pardon cemented a view which might have been true anyway beforehand, but he certainly cemented the view that criminals in high office and people who do very bad things in high office are not going to suffer for it.
02:24:35.000They're going to be able to make millions of dollars afterwards as Kissinger apparently has and as Cheney did and as Rumsfeld has.
02:24:45.000And that's one of the reasons why these people continue to do the things that they are doing.
02:24:51.000They know that, A, it's not going to be their children or their grandchildren or their relatives or friends who are facing the enemy's bullets, and B, they know that, unlike these people whom the Iraqis don't even seem to be able to hang properly, that they are never going to be facing criminal punishment for what they have done.
02:25:11.000And so we have now, for the last 35 years or so, the same people with the same ideas doing the same kind of things.
02:25:17.000In fact, the more they screw up, the more they get promoted, allegedly.
02:25:20.000And, you know, we can talk about conflicts of interest here with James Baker III and Henry Kissinger having contracts with Saudi Arabia.
02:25:29.000I mean, literally working for Saudi Arabia, obviously.
02:25:31.000And I guess we can throw in Israel here.
02:25:33.000Obviously, there are some conflicts of interest.
02:25:35.000These are the people spearheading our foreign policy.
02:25:39.000Yes, and I think that the words conflict of interest are, to some extent, at least figuratively, if not literally, unknown to these people.
02:26:07.000The authority to wage an international war on terror in any sovereign country that you might want to pick on in relations to the authority that Congress has given them.
02:26:19.000There is some discrepancy here, no discrepancy with us on this program, on what exactly Bush was authorized to do in the Middle East.
02:26:28.000And I want to get into some of those issues.
02:26:31.000You mentioned, you talk about former Justice Department Counsel John Yoo, and then he says that the Commander-in-Chief has the ability to wage war no matter what Congress does.
02:26:42.000Of course, again, going back to the 60 Minutes interview with George W. Bush, He didn't care, has no absolute care in the world about what Congress can do or wants to do.
02:26:51.000He feels he has the authority to go ahead with this.
02:26:55.000You have listed a number of precedents in this case.
02:26:58.000If you want to give us just a clue on what we can talk about on the other side regarding this matter.
02:27:02.000Well, a clue would be that these people are out of their minds.
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02:31:18.000Good job, Kevin, booking Dean Lawrence Velville of the Massachusetts School of Law with us.
02:31:23.000His website is velvilleonnationalaffairs.com.
02:31:28.000That's V-E-L, V-E-L, onnationalaffairs.com, and of course that's linked at Infowars.com, as well as a wonderful picture of Dean Veltel.
02:31:43.000Dean, let's go to the legal questions here, if we can talk about what power Congress has, what power the President has, so we can put this in the proper perspective for our listeners.
02:31:53.000Okay, I'll try to keep this brief, rather than give you all the chapter in detail.
02:32:00.000Fundamentally, when they wrote the Constitution, The framers of the country were very concerned that the executive would have the power to determine that there shall be war, because they had seen what disasters this led to.
02:32:13.000They wanted the decision on war to be made by the Congress, and that's why they created the Declaration of War Clause that says, Congress shall declare war.
02:32:23.000That was a way of saying that Congress shall make the determination on whether we shall fight a war and how big a war we shall fight.
02:32:31.000Over the course of the years, that was not honored sometimes in the breach when it came to small invasions against small countries in the 19th and 20th centuries.
02:32:41.000There were a lot of those, but the first really significant breach in it did not occur until Truman sent troops to Korea in 1950.
02:32:52.000I should say that some people like to say Lincoln breached it, but one has to remember that was a civil war which is worlds different.
02:33:00.000And he was consented with a war already in effect declared upon the federal government, and he immediately, and it's very important that he did so, got ratification from Congress for everything he did.
02:33:13.000So the first real breach was when Truman sent troops into Korea, and the thinking that began to take over then was a product of the Cold War.
02:33:25.000And in Vietnam, of course, that thinking reached a zenith, and the President took the position Uh, as you point out, George W. Bush, the first Bush leader did, that the president as commander-in-chief has the power to fight any kind of a war he wants against whomever he wants, whatever he wants, and so on and so forth.
02:33:45.000And as part of that, they said they did not even need the Tonkin Resolution.
02:33:50.000They began saying that after people became aware that the Tonkin Resolution was in effect a fraud.
02:33:56.000Now, that kind of thinking that started developing in the Cold War has continued on through our own day.
02:34:04.000And now, in those in the Vietnam War, there were lots of false reasons given for why the President allegedly can fight any kind of war he wants against whomever he wants.
02:34:15.000But these days, it has come down to fundamentally one proposition only.
02:34:20.000That as Commander-in-Chief, he need not obey the laws of Congress.
02:34:25.000That, of course, is the high road to dictatorship.
02:34:31.000It is completely inconsistent with what the framers wanted, and is completely inconsistent with our democracy.
02:34:38.000In point of fact, Congress has the right, as I've said, to make the decision at war, and Congress also has the right to cut off funds for a war.
02:34:48.000It is really rather ironic that for years and years in Vietnam, We kept hearing from the executive and its supporters that if Congress wanted to act to stop the war, it ought to cut off funds, which ultimately it did for the bombing of Cambodia, by the way.
02:35:02.000But today, sometimes some Democrats, Barack Obama and others, have been saying, well, Congress hasn't got a right to stop the executive by cutting off funds.
02:35:14.000That's one of the major powers that Congress has.
02:35:18.000And after the Commander-in-Chief power, let me only reiterate, or if I haven't said it, let me say it for the first time, that the reason the President was made Commander-in-Chief was not, of course, so that he can go off and fight wars with armies and navies and air forces anytime he wants, but so that the civilian authority would be subservient to military authority.
02:35:41.000This commander-in-chief power goes to a civilian, the president.
02:35:45.000People might wish to note that George Washington was commander-in-chief, by the way, and considered himself at all times subservient to the Continental Congress, which was a civilian authority.
02:35:55.000It was good enough for George Washington, not good enough for George W. Bush.
02:35:59.000Of course, it stands to reason, and this goes back again to the fortitude of our congressional leaders currently to cut that budget, and as we've mentioned, they're afraid to do it because, of course, anything that happens subsequently afterwards will be blamed on them.
02:36:16.000They know they'll be set up for this so that does certainly play in this but I believe that we elected them to do exactly this!
02:36:25.000I mean, but here we're looking at Iran right now.
02:36:28.000We had to do some reporting today on the program, Dean Velvelle, about Iran, the escalations in Iran, the moving of carrier groups in Iran as a show of force, currently working with terrorist groups in order to infiltrate Iran, certainly.
02:36:42.000A lot of people trying to read George W. Bush's or Dick Cheney's mind, or the neocon's mind, saying that the window is closing for them, that if they lose this war in Iraq, They're going to be blamed for it.
02:37:11.000To take one second before I say why I think you're right, it should also be noted that even the mainstream media reported a little bit, not much, just a little bit about half a year ago that we were fighting Syrians on the border between Iraq and Syria.
02:37:27.000Now, the President He does not currently have the authority to fight Iran, or fight Syria, or fight anybody except Iraq and Al-Qaeda.
02:37:37.000And I'll tell you what the authorizations say.
02:37:40.000I thought you might ask me a question like this, but I have them in front of me.
02:37:44.000The authorization about Iraq says that the President is authorized to use the armed forces against Iraq.
02:37:54.000The authorization of 2001, with regard to terrorist organizations, says that he is authorized to use force against And I'm going to quote now, those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided to terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11th, or harbored, past tense, such organizations or persons, and that he can do this to prevent future rafts.
02:38:21.000As Congress people have said, it never occurred to them in their wildest dreams that this would be considered to be authorization for a major war against Iran, a major war against Syria, a major war in the Middle East.
02:38:37.000I don't know, let me interrupt you, because I don't know how it occurred to me.
02:38:41.000I'm just a simple talk radio host, okay, with a small college education.
02:38:46.000How do I know there are no weapons of mass destruction, number one?
02:38:49.000How do I know that he's going to take advantage of this, both domestically and with foreign policy?
02:38:53.000How was I aware of the PNAC documents, and my wonderful proxy Congress wasn't?
02:39:03.000You know, I don't know the answer to your questions.
02:39:06.000I can tell you this... I don't want to let him off the hook, is what I'm saying.
02:39:09.000Well, I can tell you... I will tell you this, and I hope this is not letting him off the hook, because I don't mean to.
02:39:17.000I do believe that at the time, a lot of people, and I would certainly include myself in that because I was on a television show while it was occurring with a fellow from Louisiana, and we both said, Lord, we don't really think we should fight in Iraq, but what do we know?
02:39:33.000The President says they have weapons of mass destruction.
02:39:36.000He and Powell say they've got conclusive evidence of it, and so who are we to say anything differently?
02:39:43.000Now, Congress should have made it its business to debate and determine the truth about this matter, and because of cowardice, it did not.
02:39:51.000And you're saying because of 9-11 and the groundswell of support for the President and the neocons after 9-11, they were too scared to stand up to him?
02:40:02.000I mean, we could tackle this on so many levels.
02:40:04.000Let's quickly talk about domestic war policy, war powers, the evisceration of the Constitution to keep us safe, to protect us from these alleged enemies.
02:40:14.000So what authority, legally, does George W. Bush or the White House have, in reality, to suspend the Constitution, to eviscerate and to attack our rights noted in the Bill of Rights, which they have done continuously now for years?
02:40:31.000Well, for my money, they don't have any such right.
02:40:34.000And this whole business about spying on people and torturing people, which is against American statutory law, nobody wants to say, by the way.
02:40:46.000And I have not heard one member of the mainstream media say it.
02:40:49.000Maybe it's been said on your program, I don't know.
02:40:51.000But otherwise, I've not heard one member of the mainstream media, television, radio, or the print media say that George Bush and company, and that includes Cheney and Addington and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, these people are all guilty of a clearly beyond dispute Of a felony under American domestic law because they have all conspired to produce torture abroad.
02:41:19.000It is punishable for conspiracy up to life imprisonment if people were killed due to conspiracy, as some were.
02:41:27.000And for the people who, of course, actually did the killing, the potential punishment ranges up to execution.
02:41:35.000You don't find mainstream media talking about this, and it's just another example of how these people have seized power to do whatever they want, regardless of the Bill of Rights, and at least until recently, the media has hardly said boo, and the Congress has not said boo about it.
02:41:54.000And we were seriously threatened with vast invasions of our rights in this country.
02:42:00.000I think the situation may be turning around a little bit now, but if so, we've only begun to turn it around.
02:42:07.000Let's talk about, you wrote a book on the Vietnam War and civil disobedience.
02:42:43.000Let me first say, I personally am threatening nothing.
02:42:45.000I mean, I would not use the word threat.
02:42:47.000I'm simply saying, I think that is likely to be, that a massive march on Washington is likely to be what it takes.
02:42:57.000Otherwise, I fear that only a march of unprecedented proportions will be sufficient to move the Congress.
02:43:06.000I myself am not part of the planning for any such march.
02:43:08.000You know, I write and I talk and I run a law school, so I don't have a lot of time.
02:43:13.000Well, there are plenty of people out there to do it.
02:43:16.000They have not been, as we can say, that successful in getting people out.
02:43:20.000I found out after I wrote that posting I found out that there are groups that are planning a march for January 27th in Washington.
02:43:30.000How important do I think something like that could be in stopping this war?
02:43:34.000I think it may be the only thing that will stop this war, just as the marches during Vietnam had a great deal to do with ultimately stopping that war, although God knows it took about eight years too long.
02:43:47.000And they had a great deal to do with civil rights, the famous march on Washington in 1963.
02:43:59.000Well, I gather, I mean, I've always thought that civil disobedience means disobeying the law for moral reasons.
02:44:06.000And what I said back in the book that was published in 1970 was that I thought that juries ought to have a right And other people have said that subsequently, and people have opposed it subsequently.
02:44:20.000I thought juries ought to have a right to consider the fact that somebody was acting out of moral conscience and did not actually injure any person or property in what they were doing.
02:44:33.000When determining whether to convict somebody for a crime.
02:44:37.000So that if somebody marched peacefully, or if somebody burned a draft card, didn't strike anybody, didn't murder anybody, didn't blow anything up, that a jury ought to have a right to consider this in determining whether or not to convict somebody.
02:44:54.000And you know, one of the ironies is that According to the law as it stands, juries are not supposed to consider these things, are not allowed to consider these things, although we know that in fact some do sometimes of their own accord.
02:45:08.000It would be helpful if the judge instructed the juries on jury nullification.
02:45:13.000We cannot even get a guy like Bush or Kissinger or McNamara or Johnson or Rumsfeld into a court to be a defendant.
02:45:21.000Well, you know, we were up in New York City for the coronation ceremony for George W. Bush in 2004, and they had these nets.
02:45:29.000I mean, this shows you kind of the semantical argument of some of these legal precedents where, you know, what is civil disobedience?
02:45:37.000I almost got nabbed up in a net just for crossing the street, and I had press passes, congressional passes, bar cords, bar Codes hanging around my neck.
02:45:48.000So I'm, you know, congressionally approved to be at the convention to cover this for the media and really they just have these nets out to Dean Velville who would grab people up, send them out to a dirty pier somewhere, keep them on a really no authority until the convention was over.
02:46:07.000Yes, I know, you know, we became aware of all that and What can one do we say except that the government is full of Richard J. Dailies, if you see what I mean, who will do whatever it takes, in their opinion, to keep people from peacefully protesting, from getting their point across to the body politic at large, who are perfectly happy to do whatever works to suppress Uh, dissent.
02:46:33.000And you were involved in the situation of that kind, just as the protesters were in 1968.
02:46:40.000And as I said, the Richard J. Dailies, the George W. Bushes, they don't even face prosecution, whereas rather innocent people cannot, people are rather innocent by comparison, I should say.
02:46:53.000cannot even argue to a jury that they caused no damage and acted for moral motives.
02:46:59.000I'm not talking now about a fellow like the guy who shot Dr. Schleppian and then said, well, you should have quit me because I killed him because of my moral beliefs about abortion.
02:47:11.000I'm talking about people who are not harming others.
02:47:28.000I'm looking at a story from Paul Craig Roberts, who is alleged to be the father of Reaganomics, a true conservative.
02:47:35.000Saying, when are the American people and the representatives in Congress and the military going to wake up and realize that the U.S.
02:47:40.000has an insane war criminal in the White House who is destroying all chances for peace in the world and establishing a police state in the U.S.?
02:47:48.000Americans don't have much time to realize this, and they have to act before it's too late.
02:47:54.000Suggesting that if we don't impeach him, he's going to continue to do these things.
02:47:58.000I don't know if censoring him is possible.
02:48:01.000Censorship or... not the way it's spelled, folks.
02:48:04.000or impeachment but what do you think about this is this a viable possibility or are we just going to get dick cheney or someone else down the line will do the same thing well viable possibility i don't know because that depends on the courage of the democrats in congress and courage is a quality which they have shown to be already gone into that is it desirable You bet it's desirable.
02:48:30.000We should get rid of, by impeachment, of both Bush and Cheney.
02:48:35.000I guess that would make Nancy Pelosi the president these days, and that would not be all bad if you ask me.
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02:52:49.000Well, right now, I think that as many people as possible Should attend this March on Washington, because I think that is going to be, a lot of the story is going to be told by how many people show up, because if it's a normal, small turnout, it will have no effect.
02:53:08.000If it's a huge, massive, unlooked-for turnout, it could have a great effect.
02:53:13.000Over the longer term, I think we must do something in this country, which has rarely been thought about, and which certainly was not thought about before this war, that is to determine... I'll allow that fellow who wrote Ron Clausewitz.
02:53:29.000We must determine, what is this country?
02:53:32.000What are this country's desirable, necessary, strategic goals in the world?
02:53:39.000And then what are the tactics we should use to obtain those goals?
02:53:45.000I think that when we think about it, I don't know, but I think that when we think about it, we're going to find out that there are about 15 or 20 countries in this world which we have a great moral, economic, Uh, historical interest in and that we should be willing to protect to participate in their defense.
02:54:07.000Uh, and that it is only for those countries that we really ought to be willing to go to war in the absence of an attack upon ourselves.
02:54:15.000And I think that after we think about it, we are likely to find that those countries, our nations, including some of our bitter former enemies, Like Britain, like Canada, like France, like the New Germany, like the New Japan, like Israel, like Australia.
02:54:32.000Nations of that kind with which we have so much in common in so many ways.
02:54:37.000I'm leaving out some of the complexities like where you're going to get oil from and stuff like that.
02:54:41.000But whatever it turns out to be, I think we have to make some Do some studying and make some decisions as to what are this country's long-term strategic goals and interests and what are the appropriate tactics for attempting to achieve them.
02:54:56.000And on some level, I have to add to this that we have to continue to fight the information war and get the appropriate information, real information, not propaganda out to the American people, the people around the world.
02:55:06.000So, to some extent, we have to go after these media watchdogs or media gatekeepers who are going along with this entire process.
02:55:32.000It appears that the American people are starting to open their eyes, get that sleep out of their eyes, and may become active, something I'm sure that the Bush administration does not ever want to see.
02:55:42.000Dean Velville, thank you for joining us on the program.
02:55:47.000So folks, I will be back in about seven or eight minutes at the top of the hour propaganda news break, which airs on my program with Deadline Live.
02:55:54.000We'll be talking about the hate crimes laws with Reverend Pike.
02:55:58.000We'll also have on our guest to talk about the Wayne Fincher results and story of his trial.