Jesse Tridou joins Alex Jones on the case of who murdered his brother in federal prison, Kenneth Todt, and the horrible autopsy photos that prove he was tortured to death by the FBI. The evidence points to one of the most infamous members of the 9/11 terrorist group, Timothy McVeigh.
00:00:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:26.000We first interviewed him almost three years ago, and he's been on the case for a lot longer than that.
00:00:34.000Yesterday, at the end of the broadcast, my radio producer walked in with the Salt Lake City Tribune headline, Nichols McVeigh had high-level FBI help.
00:00:43.000Here is the Desert News headline, Nichols says bomb was FBI op.
00:00:49.000We've known this from a massive mountain of confirmed evidence.
00:00:54.000since just months after the horrible attack that killed 163 people back in 1995.
00:01:02.000But now Jesse Trinidue, on the trail of who murdered his brother in federal prison, Kenneth Trinidue, and we have the horrible autopsy photos up on Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, has literally been spending much of his life on this case, a successful attorney and lawyer counselor has literally been spending much of his life on this case, a successful attorney And I just got in touch with him this morning after I learned of this last night.
00:01:29.000I went on coast-to-coast AM and covered it.
00:01:32.000And he joins us now for the next 30 minutes, and I hopefully will be able to line him up for an hour early next week so we can get into more detail.
00:01:42.000He's given us some of the documents, the case.
00:01:44.000Those are going up on InfoWars.com right now.
00:02:03.000You, if I'm not mistaken, were the first one to broadcast this story back in 2004.
00:02:08.000Well now it's really broken wide open thanks to your work.
00:02:10.000We've got three minutes before break and we'll come back in detail at all, but just out of the gate, tell us in a nutshell about yourself, about your brother, how you got involved in this case, and now the prison interview you did with Larry Nichols, it's unbelievable.
00:02:25.000Well basically my brother was killed a few months after the bombing.
00:02:31.000He had Been convicted of a federal crime back in the late 70s, had done his time.
00:03:03.000In hindsight, now it's clear that wasn't the case because the judge who sentenced him was in San Diego, the crime was committed in San Diego, his probation officer was in San Diego, any parole hearing would have to be in San Diego.
00:03:17.000So he was sent to Oklahoma City for some reason and was dead two days later and we never had A reason for it.
00:03:25.000Now they claimed it was suicide, but he again had electrical burn marks, cuts, and bruises over his entire body.
00:03:41.000And the government said they tried to have his body cremated before we saw him, and then finally We get him home, but we never had a motive, and that was difficult to say to people why the FBI especially would have killed him and tortured him.
00:03:57.000Now we're going to get to that later, but in the process of your investigation, you've now got the documents, the affidavit has been sealed, so you can't talk about certain names, but before it got sealed by the feds in a desperate attempt to block this evidence from coming out, we do have the names, we do have the information because you were able to tell Uh, different news reporters about this, in particular the Desert News, Desiree News, before that happened.
00:04:24.000So we're going to go over this after the break, but I want to get into how you got in contact with Larry Nichols, why he's now gone public, and by the way, his story fits exactly with what the FBI, police investigators, and many others have brought forward in the What, 11 plus years since the OKC bombing in 1995?
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00:08:07.000It is the 22nd day of February, Thursday, 2014.
00:08:20.000One of the most important broadcasts I've ever done.
00:08:24.000It was almost three years ago that I interviewed Jesse Trinidou, his brother Kenneth Trinidou, was murdered.
00:08:30.000That's how this lawyer got on the case.
00:08:33.000And my God, does it fit him with all the other evidence we have.
00:08:36.000Unfortunately, it shows that the Oklahoma City bombing of the Alfred P. Murrow building was an inside job.
00:08:42.000Here's the headline out of the Desert News.
00:08:45.000And, uh, before the filing was sealed, the reporters were able to see it.
00:08:49.000Now, uh, our guest is unable to specifically talk about the filing.
00:08:54.000And, uh, the most shocking allegation, the 19-page signed declaration by Nichols, assertion that the whole bombing plot was an FBI operation that McVeigh let slip during a bout of anger that he was taking instructions from...
00:09:08.000Former FBI official Larry Potts, who helped run the Ruby Ridge debacle, very senior, personal friends, very high level with the then FBI director.
00:09:19.000McVeigh also said he was part of a secret military assassins team who've been recruited out of the military.
00:09:25.000That's exactly the MO we have from state police, local police, detectives, and FBI.
00:09:30.000This is absolutely off the charts, incredible.
00:09:33.000And guess who got in and got this affidavit?
00:09:35.000It is the man we're speaking to right now, Jesse Trinidou, got in to see Larry Nichols, and that is a saga in and of itself.
00:09:47.000Basically, I didn't start out to solve the Oklahoma City bombing.
00:09:51.000I started out to find out who killed my brother and why.
00:09:55.000It all started in the Probably December of 95 or January of 96 and I got an anonymous call.
00:10:02.000The caller said that my brother had been killed by the FBI, that it was a case of mistaken identity, that it was an interrogation that got out of hand, that my brother fit the profile, the caller said.
00:10:13.000Of a group who were robbing banks and to fund the tax, get the money to fund the tax on the federal government.
00:10:19.000So somebody had a conscience and called you?
00:10:24.000I thought it was far-fetched, unbelievable.
00:10:27.000And then about six months later I read a story in the Los Angeles Times about a man named Richard Lee Guthrie who was found hanging in his cell while in federal custody.
00:10:36.000He was supposed to give a tell-all interview the next day before he died.
00:10:44.000He was a member of a group called the Midwest Bank Robbery Gang.
00:10:47.000And the story said he had robbed banks to get money to attack the federal government.
00:10:52.000And they didn't have a photograph of Guthrie, though, just the story.
00:10:55.000And then shortly before he was executed, I received a message from Timothy McVeigh, who told me that when he saw my brother's photograph and heard what happened to him, he knew that the FBI killed my brother because they mistook him for Richard Lee Guthrie.
00:11:08.000And Guthrie, I believe, was John Doe, too.
00:11:12.000In the description for John Doe II, when my brother was picked up, was white male, 5'9", powerful upper body build, dark complected, believed to be in Canada or Mexico, driving mid-1980s Chevrolet pickup, dragon tattoo left forearm.
00:11:28.000My brother comes across the border in San Diego in his friend's 1986 Chevrolet pickup, Five foot nine, powerful upper body build, dark complected, dragon tattooed left forearm.
00:11:39.000The only other person I know of with that description was Richard Lee Guthrie.
00:11:42.000So they clearly killed your brother and Guthrie in prison with the same classic hanging?
00:11:57.000To convince people my brother had been murdered, because no one likes to think the government of the United States does those kind of things.
00:12:03.000But we have the autopsy photos, please describe those.
00:12:06.000Well, he was head was smashed to the skull in three places, his throat was slashed, a stun gun burns all over his body, even the soles of his feet are bruised from being beaten.
00:12:16.000He was beaten head to toe, front to back, tortured extensively, and then he was, we now know, was strangled with a pair of plastic handcuffs after they'd beaten him to a pulp.
00:12:26.000And obviously he couldn't tell him anything because he didn't know anything.
00:12:30.000But that started me on the quest to, like I said, I didn't start off to solve the bombing.
00:12:35.000I started off to find the men who killed my brother.
00:12:38.000But every trail has taken me back to the bombing.
00:12:41.000And that's when I filed that lawsuit here in federal court in Utah, asking the judge to order the FBI To produce all documents related to a failed sting operation they were running in a white supremacist paramilitary training camp in eastern Oklahoma called Elohim City and that led to the bombing.
00:13:06.000Let's walk through how you were able to get in touch with Nichols, how he tried to contact John Ashcroft, how the media was then blocked from ever being able to reach him, how you were able to get in and what Larry Nichols told you.
00:13:19.000Well, Terry Nichols reached out to me.
00:13:22.000Apparently, before he contacted me several years ago, he had written to Attorney General Ashcroft, volunteering to tell everything he knew about the bombing and the others involved.
00:13:32.000Not only did no one from Attorney General Ashcroft's office follow up with Nichols, they actually issued, apparently, an order barring him from all contact with the media.
00:13:44.000It was thereafter that he reached out to me, and I was able to get in to see him.
00:14:38.000Now, I know they've sealed this, but we can talk about what the press has reported and any other facets you feel comfortable in getting into.
00:14:49.000That I don't feel comfortable talking about, but this I can tell you what is already out there in the public record as a result of this lawsuit that led me to go see Mr. Nichols.
00:15:02.000When you sue under the Freedom of Information Act, For documents, government documents, there are two exemptions that are bulletproof that you cannot get around, that you will not get the documents.
00:15:13.000National security and... No, that's actually three.
00:15:16.000The other two are if there's an ongoing criminal investigation or if the government has promised anonymity or confidentiality to informants.
00:15:29.000I was fearful that the FBI would come back and say they had reopened the investigation, in which case I would have gotten nothing.
00:15:36.000Instead, they came back and told the federal judge that they had promised confidentiality to four informants and please not to turn over any documents.
00:15:45.000Well, the judge said he would allow them to black the names out.
00:15:50.000And the documents show that the FBI's informants were robbing banks and armored cars with Tim McVeigh to get the money to construct the bomb.
00:16:00.000And that one of the four informants was actually the explosives instructor who taught them how to make the bomb.
00:16:07.000Now to be specific here, this could be creating the history, the ledger, and this is what McVeigh said, they were staging fake robberies to create the illusion that it was an organic domestic group that was going to carry out the attacks.
00:16:19.000Classic black ops, where they go out and engage in criminal activities as a smokescreen.
00:16:26.000That's basically what some of the things that Nichols said.
00:16:38.000The, as I said, the documents are, it's not me making this up, the documents show that at least as recently as two days before the bombing, that they actually called Elohim City asking for help, and this was reported by one of the informants, that four months before the bombing, another informant had not only reported the plan, but had said that they had actually scouted the target.
00:17:04.000Well, Hal was one of the informants earlier, and she tried to warn them, and then they tried to arrest her and charge her, telling her to shut up.
00:17:11.000They did prosecute her, but she wasn't convicted.
00:17:17.000And, uh, so many of these things have, uh, I would not have gotten where I am today on this, but for people have, and I don't know who's, who has done it, had leaked me copies of, uh, records.
00:17:29.000There's a lot of feds that don't like killing kids in a, in a daycare.
00:17:35.000And that made my case in front of the federal judges.
00:17:38.000I had, unknown to the FBI, I had two copies, two documents already about this operation.
00:17:45.000And so when I asked for the records, they came back, the FBI did, and reported to the judge that there were no such documents.
00:17:53.000And then I filed those two copies, and then the FBI came back and said that they were fake, and I had an affidavit from an FBI agent who said they were real.
00:18:01.000And with that, the judge lost all patience with the FBI.
00:18:06.000And then later, didn't it turn out that similar documents and some of the same documents had been released before, but without some of the names blacked out, and then that proved they were real?
00:18:23.000They now concede they're... And when they were ordered to produce them, to do a manual search, they came back and produced about 100 pages of them.
00:19:03.000That, and I was smart enough to not keep anything a secret.
00:19:07.000That as soon as I, and I'm thankful to your show and others like you, sir, that the story get out there because to me that was my best insurance policy.
00:19:17.000Oh, my heart was beating this morning just to get you on for my safety.
00:19:21.000I mean, I know you cannot keep this type of stuff secret.
00:19:28.000And I was surprised how quickly they were able to get everything sealed.
00:19:33.000Final segment with you, sir, after this quick break.
00:19:36.000Other key facets we'll walk through and delineate here with our guest, attorney-at-law Jesse Trinidou, whose brother was brutally tortured to death, Kenneth Trinidou.
00:19:50.000The bottom line is, no man in the wrong can stand up against a fellow that's in the right and keeps on a-coming.
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00:24:32.000What's going to happen with this 19-page affidavit that has been filed?
00:24:38.000And what are some of the materials you sent us today that we posted on InfoWars.com?
00:24:42.000Well, first of all, again, Mr. Jones, I want to thank you for, may have been the first, I think you were the first person to report this story back in 2004 and didn't say it was crazy.
00:24:55.000What I filed that affidavit for was to get an order from the judge to allow me to take the deposition of Terry Nichols and to videotape that deposition.
00:25:04.000That's the only way his story will ever get out there.
00:25:46.000But Steven Jones didn't bring that out?
00:25:48.000I don't think they were allowed to bring it out.
00:25:50.000If I recall correctly, and I wasn't paying attention to the trial, that the judges would not allow any evidence of other people being involved.
00:25:56.000Well, bottom line, Nichols and yourself were in grave danger while this is sealed, and I know you can't violate this federal proceeding in a seal order, but, I mean, these documents, you just said it, the defense detailing inside job, did the federal documents detail that?
00:26:36.000I think my feeling is that the FBI had Fumbled the ball so badly at Waco and Ruby Ridge that I do remember this, that they were under constant pressure and criticism from Congress and from the media and from the public.
00:26:53.000I think they put together this harebrained idea at Elohim City to lure in all these militia groups under the pretense of teaching them how to rob banks and armored cars and attack the federal government.
00:27:04.000And I think they planned to catch them in the act.
00:27:06.000I don't, for a moment, think they intended The bombings take place?
00:27:12.000Well, that's what the BATF tried to leak and claim.
00:27:15.000The same thing every time they get caught in England with British Intel carrying out attacks, they always claim they just missed it.
00:27:22.000And let me tell you, sir, I've studied this.
00:27:26.000They may tell some of their BATF that showed up in bomb gear a minute after the bomb went off, but for the insiders, they meant to bomb it the whole time.
00:27:33.000You know, that building was blown from the inside out.
00:27:37.000I'm not an explosive instructor, but my personal view is that it got away from him.
00:28:03.000I mean, I've seen this a hundred times.
00:28:04.000In fact, I've never really seen a big case where it isn't the Feds running it.
00:28:10.000Well, my experience, at least in this case, has been whenever you have three people who get together to criticize the federal government, two of them will be informants.
00:28:19.000We've got about a minute and a half left.
00:28:21.000Any other key points you'd like to add, sir?
00:28:23.000Other than that they've not denied it.
00:28:25.000I mean, the accusations I made against the FBI are that they set up this operation, that they had informants who robbed banks with McVeigh to fund the attack, that they had an informant who was the explosive instructor and taught them how to make the bomb, and they got away from them.
00:28:40.000They have not once denied those accusations.
00:28:43.000They have just begged this federal judge not to order the release of the documents.
00:28:47.000Now, clearly, if I made those accusations against you, wouldn't you have denied them?
00:28:53.000Then we have Danny Colson who claimed he got up there in just an hour or so from Dallas by car with the hotel receipt that he was there the night before.
00:29:02.000One other thing I might add is it's my understanding that the BBC is going to run an hour special on the bombing and perhaps the government's involvement.
00:31:05.000Being in government means never having to say you're sorry.
00:31:08.000What part of unconstitutional do not understand, George?
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00:33:21.000You throw something into the deepest depths of the ocean, it will one day be tossed back onto the shore.
00:33:29.000Again, I just think about my job, what I do.
00:33:32.000This morning as I was scrambling, setting up this guest, and reading news articles, and going back and doing research, refreshing my memory.
00:33:43.000I just literally almost hit my knees and thank God that I'm in this position.
00:33:48.000I never thought that I would be a radio broadcaster internationally.
00:33:55.000I never thought I'd be doing what those old gumshoes did long ago, what the straw hat reporters did.
00:34:02.000And here we are, 21st century, frontline muckrakers engaging the New World Order at point-blank range.
00:34:14.000It's scary too to do what we do because we're going toe-to-toe with these guys.
00:34:18.000We're going against them 110% to bring them down.
00:34:21.000I would have been all over this story and been on the phone with Trinidou yesterday and I would have had Trinidou on coast-to-coast AM with me last night.
00:34:28.000I didn't even think to call coast-to-coast AM to get on the show.
00:34:31.000I didn't think to even call Trinidu, even though he was in the article, and I broke the story, as you heard him say, because I was too busy down at the law office filing lawsuits on someone, which makes me even madder at them for the lies they put out, and I have to spend all this money to get my good name back!
00:35:24.000The Wisconsin professor who's been all over national, international television exposing 9-11.
00:35:29.000And then I don't even know now if I want to have that Cliff Kincaid, neocon, conservative clothing on in the third hour, but I've got him coming on just so you can hear the type of stuff these people put out.
00:35:57.000Let me just read over these articles now to give you some more background on Oklahoma City, because this is a direct line into 9-11.
00:36:06.000Nichols McVeigh had high-level FBI help.
00:36:14.000Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols says a high-ranking FBI official apparently was directing Timothy McVeigh and the plot to blow up a government building and might have changed the original target of the attack according to a new affidavit filed in U.S.
00:36:32.000The official and other conspirators are being protected by the federal government in a cover-up to escape its responsibility for the loss of life in Oklahoma.
00:36:41.000Nichols claims in the February 9th lawsuit.
00:36:46.000And let me just add, I was talking to Jesse Trinidad during that three minute break, and he added some more points.
00:36:53.000He said that he was out of time, he had to go to court, but that he never has been called a kook, never been called a liar, never been demonized by the FBI.
00:37:02.000They're just desperately trying to ignore him.
00:37:11.000The official and other conspiracists are being protected by the federal government.
00:37:16.000Documents that supposedly help back up his allegations have been sealed to protect information in them, to protect the informants, such as social security numbers and dates of birth.
00:37:32.000Nichols does not say what motive the government would have to be involved in the bombing.
00:37:40.000The affidavit was filed in a lawsuit brought by Salt Lake City Attorney Jesse Trinidou, who believes his brother's death in a federal prison was linked to the Oklahoma City bombing.
00:37:51.000The lawsuit, which seeks documents from the FBI under the Federal Freedom of Information Act, alleges that authorities mistook Kenneth Trinidou for a bombing conspiracy And that guards killed him in an interrogation that got out of hand.
00:38:26.000He's got the double point shock Wounds all over his body, under his arms, of course we don't post these, but genitals, feet, huge, what looked like electrical burns where the prods weren't working, so they just hooked something up to a wall outlet, slit his throat, beat his whole head in, just, I mean, this guy's purple from end to end.
00:38:50.000In the app to David Nichols says he wants to bring closure to the survivors and families of the attack at the Alfred B. Murrah building.
00:39:01.000He alleges that he wrote then Attorney General John Ashcroft in 2004, offering to help him identify all parties who played a role in the bombing, but never got a reply.
00:39:12.000Nichols, serving a life sentence at the U.S.
00:39:15.000Penitentiary Administrative Maximum Facility in Florence, Colorado.
00:39:19.000McVeigh, who carried out the bombing, was executed in 2001.
00:39:22.000McVeigh and Nichols were the only defendants indicted in the bombing.
00:39:26.000However, Nichols alleges others were involved.
00:39:29.000McVeigh told him he was recruited for undercover missions while serving in the military, according to Nichols.
00:39:35.000He says he learned sometime in 1995 that there had been a change in the bomb target, and it was going to be Nebraska, Omaha, Dallas, they were looking at different places, that there had been a change in the bombing target and that McVeigh was very upset by that.
00:39:50.000There, in what I believe was an actual slip of the tongue, McVeigh revealed the identity of a high-ranking FBI official who was apparently directing McVeigh and the bomb plot, Nichols says in the affidavit.
00:39:59.000So again, two newspapers have seen this, now they shield it.
00:40:09.000Nichols also says that McVeigh threatened him and his family to force him to rob Roger Moore, an Arkansas gun dealer of weapons and explosives.
00:40:18.000He later learned that the robbery was staged, so Moore, who was in on the phony heist, could deny any knowledge of the bombing plot if stolen items were traced back to him, Nichols claims.
00:40:27.000He adds that Moore allegedly told his attorney that he would not be prosecuted in connection with the bombing because he was a protected witness, and there's federal documents.
00:40:35.000Moore could not be reached for comment Tuesday.
00:40:44.000In addition, Nichols says McVeigh must have had help building the bomb.
00:40:48.000The evidence that he and McVeigh built the day before the bombing did not resemble the one that ultimately was used, Nichols says, and displayed a level of expertise and sophistication that neither man had.
00:40:59.000There's a lot more than what this article put.
00:41:02.000You just heard the lawyer who's got the affidavit filed and did the day and a half of interviews with him.
00:41:09.000Now let's read the DesertNews.com story.
00:41:13.000All these are up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com with a whole bunch of pages of documents, federal documents, for the first time being posted at InfoWars.com right now.
00:41:26.000In fact, I'm told they've been up for 30 minutes.
00:41:35.000Boy, that's an interesting headline out of a mainstream newspaper.
00:41:38.000Detailed confession filed in Salt Lake about Oklahoma City plot.
00:41:45.000The only surviving convicted criminal in the April 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrow Federal Building in Oklahoma City is saying his co-conspirator, Timothy McVeigh, told him he was taking orders from a top FBI official and orchestrating the bombing.
00:42:05.000...him that he was taking orders from a top FBI official in orchestrating the bombing.
00:42:11.000A declaration from Terry Lynn Nichols filed in U.S.
00:42:14.000District Court in Salt Lake City has proven to be one of the most detailed confessions by Nichols to date about his involvement in the bombing as well as the involvement of others.
00:42:23.000The declaration was filed as part of a Salt Lake City attorney, Jesse Trinidou's pending wrongful death suit against the government for the death of his brother in a federal corrections facility in Oklahoma City.
00:42:35.000Trinidou claims his brother was killed during an interrogation by FBI agents when agents mistook his brother for a suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation.
00:42:44.000The most shocking allegation in the 19-page signed declaration is Nichols' assertion that the whole bombing plot was an FBI operation and that McVeigh let slip during a bout of anger that he was taking instruction from former FBI official Larry Potts of Ruby Ridge fame.
00:43:06.000Potts was no stranger to anti-government confrontations, having been the lead FBI agent in Ruby Ridge in 92, which led to the shooting death of Vicki Weaver, the wife of separatist Randy Weaver.
00:43:19.000Potts also reportedly involved in the 51-day siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas in 93, which resulted in the fire that killed 81 Branch Davidian followers.
00:43:30.000He's now a former FBI agent, by the way.
00:43:33.000He was an FBI agent, former retired, post-retired from the FBI under intense pressure and criticism for the cover-up of an order to allow agents to shoot anyone seen leaving the Weaver Cabin at Ruby Ridge.
00:43:43.000When contacted, the FBI's main office in D.C.
00:43:45.000said it would not provide immediate comment on Nichols' claims Tuesday.
00:43:49.000Nichols claims that in December 1992, McVeigh told him that while he was serving in the U.S.
00:43:54.000Army, he'd been recruited to carry out undercover missions for the Secret Assassination Squad.
00:44:27.000You tell me you got God to deal with, punks.
00:44:30.000In the next few years, the two men hatched a bombing plot.
00:44:33.000In October 1994, McVeigh and I stole explosives from a quarry in Marion, Kansas, consisting of 8.5 cases of boxes containing 229 2.5-inch sticks of gel-type explosive known as Tovex.
00:44:48.000Again, they told everybody it was fuel oil.
00:45:07.000One example is that McVeigh allegedly...
00:45:11.000Attended a gun show in Knob Creek, Kentucky in 93.
00:45:15.000At this gun show, McVeigh had the opportunity to make contact with about 20 people who were bomb experts.
00:45:19.000McVeigh told me that he himself had no knowledge about how to construct a bomb, but that he always wanted to gain more knowledge about how to conduct bombs.
00:45:28.000Nichols says he knew McVeigh was building the bomb in November 1994.
00:45:32.000He left for the Philippines to get away from the area to avoid being implicated.
00:45:36.000I did not want to be present when McVeigh did explode a bomb.
00:45:38.000Consequently, I left for the Philippines to be out of the country, he wrote.
00:45:41.000This is basically the newspaper whitewash of all this, folks.
00:45:45.000Now, the statement contradicts findings by Congressman Denna Rohrabacher, who studied the bombing and has made public last year it indicated nickels had traveled to the Philippines to receive bomb training from impossible foreign terrorists.
00:46:03.000You got white supremacists, you got militias, you got sheet-dipped Special Forces McVeigh, you've got bank robbers running around.
00:46:10.000But you've got Arabs at the scene and those videotapes have been sealed, but I've interviewed the police and others and FBI's on record saying they saw the sealed surveillance tapes showing the Arabs.
00:46:21.000So then it gets so confusing, you're like, did the mob kill JFK?
00:46:31.000You have different levels of deniability.
00:46:35.000Then you got bombs inside that Jane Graham, who was the head of HUD, was going through one of the maintenance sides to get up quicker.
00:46:42.000She was late to work, and she saw guys drilling the columns, planting large sticks of gray butter the day before.
00:46:52.000After hearing about the bombing of the Federal Building, which killed 168 adults and children, Nichols said he panicked when his name came up on the radio and he wanted to turn himself in, but not before hiding evidence, including explosives, using the bombing.
00:47:04.000The claims made in the declaration have added yet more twist to the mystery surrounding the bombing.
00:47:08.000Some familiar with the bombing's history, St.
00:47:10.000Nichols' claims seem to indicate the FBI put McVeigh up to the plot as a draw for radicals, but that the situation got out of control and McVeigh became a runaway informant.
00:47:34.000We've had those men on the show, by the way.
00:47:37.000After reviewing the declaration, Rohrabacher told the Desert Warning News that Nichols' claims should be investigated, but a tree with extreme skepticism.
00:47:45.000I need to caution people to remember that Terry Nichols is a mass murderer.
00:47:48.000Of course, Rohrabacher, a month ago, was on CNN going, there's a conspiracy, a cover-up of Oklahoma!
00:48:08.000They were trained here by the CIA in the 80s, brought back in at the end of Desert Storm.
00:48:14.000Source, Washington Post, LA Times, Social Press.
00:48:19.000Then there's stuff like this, WorldNet Daily.
00:48:22.000Was FBI early arrival in Oklahoma City?
00:48:25.000Hotel receipts show top terror man showed up nine hours before blast.
00:48:30.000Danny Colson was in the DFW of Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex area and he said that oh he couldn't get on the Southwest Airlines in time to fly up there so he drove and got there in a record two hours but then people reported he was there in less than an hour after the bombing.
00:48:47.000Then it turns out he checked into a hotel Nine hours before the blast, the FBI's top counter-terrorism agent checked into an Oklahoma City hotel nearly nine hours before a truck bomb nearly leveled the Alpha P Murrah building, according to a receipt obtained by WorldNet Daily, despite claims that he was in Texas the morning of the attack.
00:49:14.000The Embassy Suites Hotel Danny Colson, then director of the FBI's Terrorism Task Force, founding commander of the Bureau's Hostage Rescue Team, was dated April 19, 1995 with a check-in time of 0.20 or 1220 AM.
00:50:03.000The existence of the receipt and subsequent questions it raises surrounding the F.B.I.' 's official denial of prior knowledge of the O.K.C.
00:50:18.000Since the bombing, listen to this, officials at the Department of Justice have repeatedly assured victims that the F.B.I.
00:50:23.000had no prior knowledge of any plot to bomb the Murrah Building.
00:50:27.000My paper said Wednesday, however, evidence of Colson's clandestine trip fits squarely with substantial bodies of details found in hundreds of pages of other official documents obtained via Freedom of Information Act requests.
00:50:39.000The paper is evidence revealing weeks of planning by an elite corps of drug and counter-terrorism experts who were closely monitoring members of various far-right groups that considered religious extremists and threats to the safety and security of our nation.
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00:53:59.000Coming up in studio, Kevin Barrett out there fighting the new world order Kevin Barrett out there fighting the new world order toe-to-toe, exposing the inside job that is 9-11.
00:54:21.000His new book, 9-11 in American Empire, Christians, Jews, and Muslims speak out.
00:54:28.000Before we end this hour, I do want to remind all of you that I'm a documentary filmmaker.
00:54:34.000And my film, Road to Tyranny, was the first film out on 9-11.
00:54:39.000I put out an emergency version of it that was only available for a few months.
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00:55:03.000Surveillance tape of the Iraqi Republican Guard hired by the CIA, brought in by George Bush Sr.
00:55:11.000In case locals caught them, they were going to claim Arabs did it.
00:55:14.000And I've interviewed the police, the state police.
00:55:27.000You also had white supremacists involved.
00:55:29.000All these groups, so they could blame different groups for it later.
00:55:33.000But it was entirely a government bombing with a diversionary provocateur truck bomb outside with explosives inside blowing the building out.
00:55:41.000General Benton K. Parton's in the film.
00:55:43.000All the clips, all the documentation, the newscast where they're reporting unexploded bombs and they're removing the bombs.
00:56:02.000We, of course, go into the attack in 1993 where the FBI cooked the bomb, trained the drivers, provocateur-ed the whole incident with the attack there.
00:56:12.000And then of course we go into 9-11 where they can't count on provocateurs anymore or patsies.
00:56:17.000They just totally staged the event themselves and we walk through that and then show you why they wanted to do it, the police state and the wars they wanted to start.
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00:59:05.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:59:09.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:59:17.000We're going to be opening the phones up in this hour for your calls.
00:59:20.000Our welcome to be on government-sponsored terror.
00:59:22.000You can talk about how our loving criminal government staged attacks on Iran in 1953, now declassified, to overthrow democratically elected Mohamed Mozadek.
00:59:33.000We can discuss the first World Trade Center bombing.
00:59:35.000Huge Oklahoma City news breaking We've got Kevin Barrett in the studio.
00:59:39.000I've interviewed him several times over the phone, but he's here in Austin for a speaking engagement, talking about his new book, 9-11, American Empire, Christian Jews and Muslims Speak Out.
00:59:48.000We have links to his websites and organizations up on Infowars.com right now.
00:59:54.000For stations that just joined us, we had a massive newsmaker, Interview in the last hour.
01:00:02.000We had him on three years ago covering this.
01:00:05.000Jesse Trinidou, but now the affidavit from Terry Nichols.
01:00:08.000The headlines, Nichols says bombing was FBI operation.
01:00:12.000Another headline, Nichols McVeigh had high level FBI help.
01:00:16.000This is so big, we need to continue this discussion in the shower.
01:00:20.000We're going to get into 9-11, but as it comes out, as more and more evidence comes out that Oklahoma City was a black op as well, everybody that was on Coast to Coast AM last night is saying, including George Norrie, this is a direct confirmation that only strengthens the hand of those that are exposing what happened on 9-11.
01:00:37.000And for those that don't know, Dr. Kevin Barrett is the lead editor of 9-1-1, an American Empire, Volume 2, Christian Jews and Muslims Speak Out, and the author of Truth Jihad, My Epic Struggle Against the 9-1-1, Big Lie.
01:00:50.000Dr. Barrett is taught in Islamic and Arabic studies, folklore, and African literature at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, she's 96.
01:00:56.000Barrett coordinates the Muslim-Jewish-Christian alliance on 9-11, mujica.com, m-u-j-c-a.com, links up on infowars.com if you missed it, and is a leading figure in both the 9-11 truth movement and the fight for academic freedom.
01:01:10.000Barrett has appeared or has been featured many times on CNN, Fox, Univision, BBC, CBS, and other leading broadcast outlets, and has been the subject of extensive articles and op-eds in the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, Christian Science Monitor, and other newspapers.
01:01:24.000And we are honored to have him in studio.
01:01:31.000We're going to break in two and a half minutes.
01:01:32.000But just out of the gates, what do you think about this Oklahoma City news?
01:01:36.000Well, it's mind-boggling, isn't it, to see the, you know, Deseret News, these mainstream newspapers, having headlines, saying, look, FBI behind the bombing.
01:01:45.000I mean, I never thought I'd see a story like that.
01:01:49.000I don't know what they're going to do.
01:01:51.000It's coming out in mainstream news in England that the Brits have staged almost all terrorism there.
01:01:55.000It's coming out that our government's staging attacks, refunding the insurgency in Iraq to keep the war going.
01:02:01.000It seems like everything's being revealed.
01:02:03.000It does seem like that, and it makes me think that we're kind of in a race here between the forces that are exposing these things, and you're at the head of those forces and you have been for a long time.
01:02:13.000And the people who need to cover them up as a survival strategy.
01:02:18.000And I just don't know what they're going to do to try and keep the lid on this, but I sure hope it isn't as over the top as some of the things they've done in the past.
01:02:24.000Well, they keep saying we're going to wake up and have a mushroom cloud.
01:02:27.000I pray that's not the case, but if there is one, the first place we've got to look is Pennsylvania Avenue and the Pentagon.
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01:07:53.000Then let's go to the latest 9-11 developments, then let's open the phones up.
01:07:56.000You're also going to be speaking at the First Universalist Unitarian Church this evening, and they're going to show 9-11 Press for Truth, and the details are up on InfoWars.com concerning that.
01:08:06.000But tell us about Kevin Barrett and your awakening, how you woke up.
01:08:10.000Well, you know, I wish I'd woken up earlier.
01:08:12.000I wish I'd been listening to your stuff and watching your DVDs, Alex.
01:08:15.000But it took me two years to see that the evidence was so overpowering that it was worth devoting my life to trying to expose this.
01:08:22.000First, for the first two years, I saw a lot of unanswered questions and problems in the official story.
01:08:27.000But it wasn't until I saw Terry Mason, the French author, just decimate this Pentagon spokesman on Al Jazeera in fall 2003, I said, wait a minute, you know, what's going on here?
01:08:40.000The story that Maison's putting out about the inside job at the Pentagon needs to be looked into.
01:08:46.000And then I heard that David Griffin was writing a book about it.
01:08:48.000Griffin is a very careful, button-down kind of academic who doesn't get into stuff like this very easily.
01:08:54.000And so it's the first thing he'd ever done remotely like this.
01:08:58.000I heard he was on the case and suggesting it was a demolition and a complete inside job.
01:09:04.000Once I did, then I saw all this information that you'd been on top of from day one and realized, my goodness, it's not just that it was an inside job, but they're smoking guns piled up in the skies.
01:09:13.000We can prove this easily and that can change the world.
01:09:15.000And the debunkers, the debunkers like the BBC, and others.
01:09:22.000They only build straw men and claim we said things we didn't, or they go out and find some of the more esoteric, kind of kooky things, because, you know, there's as many ideas as the sun out there, and then claim that, well, you know, there's all these different ideas.
01:09:35.000No, bottom line, the official story is the wildest conspiracy theory of all.
01:09:39.000We have disproven the official story 110%, and then we can debate exactly how the military-industrial complex orchestrated this, but clearly They had the means, they had the motive, and then you look at it, they have their fingerprints all over it.
01:09:52.000Can you speak to the debunkers, and in a nutshell, what the main tenets of 9-11 truth are?
01:10:00.000Well, of course, the debunkers have mainly argued using ad hominem attacks, attacking the person who's making the argument rather than the actual argument itself.
01:10:08.000And they've used a lot of deception in their responses.
01:10:12.000The Popular Mechanics book, in particular, is extremely deceptive.
01:10:16.000I mean, that's hers publishing, literally, in the encyclopedia.
01:10:19.000Their name is right next to yellow journalism.
01:10:22.000The Hearst Corporation, that's the corporation that brought you the Spanish-American War by talking about the perfidious Spanish attack on the battleship Maine in Havana Harbor in 1898.
01:10:31.000And of course, that certainly wasn't the Spanish that blew up that ship.
01:10:33.000And so yeah, you can trace these debunkers back to highly dubious corporations and funding sources.
01:10:42.000Well, I think the first thing we say is that look at the official report, the 9-11 Commission report.
01:10:46.000It is so full of holes, it is so full of lies, that no rational person who reads that report and compares it to other evidence, perhaps reads alongside it David Griffin's book, the 9-11 Commission Report, Omissions and Distortions.
01:10:59.000Which he said he should have named the 400 and something page lie.
01:11:02.000Yeah, yeah, or the 568 page lie or whatever.
01:11:07.000And the thing is, are we willing to accept a report on the most important historical event of our century that is a tissue of lies?
01:11:15.000If you say yes, I think you're out of your mind!
01:11:19.000Whether or not you buy into this or that particular alternative 9-11 theory or hypothesis, There's no way that you're going to read the official report, look at the evidence, and tell me that that report is an adequate historical record.
01:11:33.000It's so far from that, that it's not even funny.
01:11:38.000You've been all over, you name it, CNN, Fox, O'Reilly, they've all attacked you, and all they do is sit there and scream at you.
01:11:46.000They'll talk five minutes, you'll talk maybe a minute, and they just keep calling you crazy over and over again.
01:11:53.000And so I've tried to use that against them in a couple of ways.
01:11:55.000One is by writing this new book, Truth Jihad, my epic struggle against the 9-11 Big Lie, which is a sort of a humorous autobiography that could be handed to one of these people that have seen me on Fox or something and say, well, you know, is this guy crazy?
01:12:08.000How did a nice Midwestern white boy turn into a crazed Muslim conspiracy theorist?
01:12:15.000And, you know, it's a kind of, you know, use of humor and autobiography against this ad hominem attack, this attack the arguer rather than the argument.
01:12:24.000And hopefully when people read that book, it will sort of shake their minds free a little bit and they'll be able to go back and look at the evidence with an open mind.
01:12:31.000What do you think the main pillars of 9-11 Truth are, evidence-wise, and then where do you think the movement should go from here?
01:12:39.000Well, I think the first and foremost pillar, of course, is Building 7, as you yourself have Anybody who sees Building 7 collapsing into its own footprint at free-fall speed, about seven seconds for a 47-story building, and then sees the landlord, the over-insured landlord, Larry Silberstein, who purchased the complex and finalized his purchase six weeks before 9-11, collected a Billions of dollars in a payout on his destruction of the world.
01:13:17.000And then he confessed on national television that, you know, we decided the best thing to do was pull it, and we pulled it, and we watched the building collapse.
01:13:23.000And then the next piece they show them going, and then we pull the other buildings months later, we're getting ready to pull number six, and show them blowing it up, and then we have all the firefighters and police now on video going, get back, we're about to bring it down, it's coming down, and all these other firefighters and police and emergency workers, we put clips of and had on, saying yeah, I got there to help, and they said get back from seven, we're about to bring it down.
01:13:44.000You can't set bombs in a building that's burning and it would take weeks even.
01:14:14.000And I'm down there, and they had like 50 or 60 quotes out of newspapers with firemen saying there was a countdown, they blew it up, we were told to get back.
01:14:23.000And then there were like 20-something video clips I hadn't even seen, and I'm trying to play these on the show, and I'm like, just going, uhhhh.
01:14:31.000I mean, we're grounding in evidence here.
01:14:34.000And this is stuff I've never even seen, and I think, you know, I mean, I spend all my time doing this, there's so much evidence, I can't even wallow through it all.
01:14:41.000Well, that's one of the problems with this whole thing.
01:15:21.000Yeah, yeah, hubris beyond the normal level of hubris.
01:15:25.000Taking a constitutional republic like this country is supposed to be, And then undermining it with these massive false flag terror attacks, including Oklahoma City, and then culminating in 9-11, and then continuing after that, of course, in Bali, Madrid, and London.
01:15:39.000This is just so outrageous that I have a hard time wrapping my mind around it.
01:15:43.000And now we've had eyewitnesses on, reporting that they saw the Secret Services direct the bus, and then they were there waiting when the government blew it up there, and there's all the evidence of 7-7.
01:15:56.000It is, and I just don't really understand what they're trying to accomplish with this.
01:16:01.000You would think that things like the Gulf of Tonkin incident, just a fake attack on an American boat, would serve their purposes better than these massive terror bombings that ultimately are going to backfire on them.
01:16:16.000I think they got away with it so much in the past.
01:16:19.000I think it just goes to they're kind of playing in a 20 or 30 year old paradigm and we're in the 21st century.
01:16:33.000I think false flag terror has been a pretty big time key weapon in these power of empire folks who are trying to consolidate power and to launch wars.
01:16:43.000They've been doing it for centuries, as you know.
01:16:45.000I think the internet and the new communications technologies have really thrown a monkey wrench into that strategy because now everybody can look at the video of Building 7 coming down.
01:16:54.000They can look at the video of Silverstein confessing to pulling it.
01:16:58.000That's right, because in the past, the news event would happen once, they'd put out the official story, and then maybe little newsletters would challenge it.
01:17:05.000And they said they intended to use the web as the worldwide wiretap to control us, but it does seem like it's backfired.
01:17:36.000Now, I'm not saying we're not out of the woods, though.
01:17:38.000Things are getting pretty serious, and they may try to up the ante in the Ponzi scheme and attack Iran.
01:17:43.000You know, I think they may very well try to flee forward into an attack on Iran.
01:17:47.000The scary thing to me is that this attack on Iran that they're planning doesn't make any strategic sense at all, unless they're going to try to seize that strip of land along the coast of the Persian Gulf, where all the oil is.
01:17:59.000And if they're going to try and do that, it's going to be another big-time occupation.
01:18:26.000Well, when Brzezinski is saying things like that, it's really, you know, we've come to a very interesting pass when someone like Brzezinski is willing to come right out and warn the American people against false flag terror attacks to, you know, trigger a war on Iran.
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01:24:30.000said they were given total unfettered access.
01:24:32.000And then they went another level and said, now you can't even do basic enrichment for power plants.
01:24:38.000And then we get all these misinterpretations of what Hakeem Abdel-Jabbar has been saying about, you know, he wants to wipe Israel off the map.
01:25:20.000Well, yeah, the actual translation is along the lines of this regime should be erased from the pages of time.
01:25:28.000And what that is, is it's a way of... And this is what you study, and this is what your doctorates, and this is what you do, is you study this whole region and movement and things that are going on there.
01:25:41.000Actually, I study Arabic, but Persian is a completely different language.
01:25:44.000We're a completely different language family, so I don't know Persian.
01:25:47.000But I have read about people who do know Persian and their analysis of that particular statement.
01:25:52.000Sure, I know there's a big separation.
01:25:53.000Right, and apparently what Medinajad and the Iranian government's position has been forever, ever since the revolution, is they would like to see regime change in Israel by way of a free and democratic election in which all Israelis and Palestinians would be able to vote for the kind of nation that they want to have.
01:26:11.000Well, and then you have the thing where they said last year, it was only out for three days, put out by one of those groups in Canada, they want to make Jews wear yellow stars.
01:26:40.000When the floodgates of propaganda start opening, and these lies start inundating us, that means that... A lot of the aircraft carriers line up.
01:26:48.000Yeah, it's definitely time to come up, to do whatever we can do to stop this before it happens.
01:26:53.000It could be a real disaster, it could be a huge strategic disaster for the U.S., which is why people like Brzezinski are coming out, you know, trying to blow the whistle on it, saying, watch out for another 9-11-style false flag event.
01:27:03.000The reason he's saying that is because he's going to get You know, credited or blamed for this in the history books, and he's worried because I think he knows very well that this is a, you know, attacking Iran would be a huge gamble on the part of the U.S.
01:27:15.000And he's going to get blamed because his National Security Advisor, and then in two subsequent books he wrote in the 90s and then last year, he kind of laid out this current neocon strategy, but I guess now he doesn't like how it's going.
01:27:25.000Yeah, you know, I don't think he laid out a neocon strategy.
01:27:51.000So his realist strategy was pretty close to the neocon strategy, but the difference is that the neocons, I think, are complete lunatic, fanatic disciples of this evil guru named Leo Strauss.
01:28:05.000Brzezinski is a realist strategist who's thinking in terms of a chessboard, whereas the neocons are a bunch of wackos who are thinking in terms of a small number of people running the world dictatorially by endlessly feeding big lies to the masses.
01:28:19.000And I don't think Brzezinski is quite that far along.
01:28:22.000The founder of the Trilateral Commission is more cold about what he does.
01:28:28.000It's more thought out, but still a globalist model, but I agree with you.
01:28:32.000Let's come back and get into some of the things that you've been covering in the 9-11 Truth Movement and take some calls with Kevin Barrett.
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01:35:46.000Kevin, before we get more into 9-11 and take some calls here with loaded phone lines, tell folks about your new book.
01:35:52.000Well, this is the second volume in this 9-11 and Empire series.
01:35:57.000It got started when David Griffin came to the University of Wisconsin-Madison in spring of 2005 and gave a talk on 9-11 to a full house of 450-plus people.
01:36:09.000It was broadcast nationwide by C-SPAN, a big mainstream media breakthrough.
01:36:13.000And so David and I said, you know, we should try to counter this ad hominem attack stuff that they're throwing at us by showing that there are a lot of respectable names who say that what we're saying is not crazy at all, that we're actually saying we're right.
01:36:28.000So let's put out these books, collecting some big-name intellectuals in the first volume, and big-name religious studies scholars in the second volume, talking about 9-11 and looking at it from a perspective, not only what really happened, but how can we as Christians, Jews, and Muslims sit down together and invoke our moral principles that are really pretty common between all of us, and try and get at the truth of what happened, and also, you know, what's the meaning of this event?
01:37:13.000Human sacrifice, unfortunately, is a big part of a lot of traditional religions that have been around in various parts of the world, and the Jewish-Christian-Islamic traditions try to put an end to human sacrifice.
01:37:23.000You know, in Judaism, of course, the sacrifice of Isaac is God stays the hand of Abraham, right?
01:37:30.000And in Christianity, of course, the sacrifice of Jesus is supposed to be an end to human sacrifice.
01:37:35.000Yet, these diabolical perpetrators of 9-11 sacrificed 3,000 people in this incredibly intelligent spectacle.
01:37:43.000Yeah, Bush has been... Well, to start over, I want you to say this, because we're also rolling cameras.
01:37:47.000Okay, well yeah, I guess my point here is that this was a religious spectacle, a human sacrifice spectacle designed to reawaken primal religious emotions and drive people into this homicidal frenzy that could be channeled towards war.
01:38:01.000I agree, and human sacrifice in ancient civilizations was really the state waging war against the people, but creating it as a sacrament that the corn will grow, the water will fall, if you just let the state kill you, and it kind of institutionalized this type of dehumanization.
01:38:17.000And we see that in Mel Gibson's Apocalypto, which is pretty darn accurate.
01:38:31.000And you've actually done some work on this with the kind of stuff that goes on at Bohemian Grove where they sacrifice care in the form of like burning an effigy of a child.
01:38:59.000It's just these traditional religions around the world, including the ones on the South Shore, especially the Mediterranean in pre-Roman times and so on, were actually sacrificing children.
01:39:09.000And our diabolical government is doing something similar when it uses these false flag attacks to invoke these primal religious emotions in which people just give up critical thinking, follow the government, and go out and march off to kill their fellow human beings.
01:39:25.000Do you think that the perpetrators are doing this because they know how to push our buttons or are they doing it because they themselves believe in it?
01:39:36.000I think the neoconservatives clearly have worked out this very elaborate philosophy saying that only we, the few, the proud, the neocons, can handle using reason to understand how reality works and therefore we have the right and the duty to control everybody else through big lies while we enjoy the fruits of this society that's run by... Which is what Strauss taught at Chicago.
01:40:00.000But I think they're just systematizing a philosophy that's been around in elitist circles for a long time.
01:40:05.000Yeah, for thousands of years different predatory elites have kind of stylized through religion and through ceremony their predatory actions.
01:40:15.000But the people also respond to this by changing rituals and invoking rituals and finding reality through religious practices including ritual and storytelling and myth and so on.
01:40:30.000So there's always kind of a battle going on between the actual religious Impulse in human beings and the way those impulses are manipulated and controlled by elites Where do you see the 9-11 truth movement going and we're gonna go to some calls Well, I think we're heading for victory, Alex.
01:40:49.000I don't know how it's going to happen.
01:40:50.000It could happen in all sorts of different ways.
01:40:52.000But I think we still have a shot at getting these current leaders in this administration out of office in chains before the end of their terms.
01:41:01.000And if we can do that, we will have won.
01:41:03.000But we could win in a whole lot of other ways, too.
01:41:06.000I don't see how they can stop us at this point.
01:41:08.000I mean, we may not get trials and people going to the prison or to the gallows, but certainly in the court of public opinion, we've now gone way across the 50% point, deep down, knowing it's an inside job.
01:41:20.000Because if you study polls, you get 36% when they get a cold call from Scripps Howard Ohio University scientific poll.
01:41:28.000They know that with really controversial questions, a lot of times it's double or more so the actual number you get.
01:42:54.000It's the Dynamic Duo Show, and I handle Mondays and Fridays.
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01:43:00.000I've got a lot of interesting folks on there, probably none more interesting than my guest last Monday, I think it was.
01:43:07.000From Duke University, we had Professor Bruce Lawrence, who's a scholar of radical Islam and an expert on Osama Bin Laden, and he actually came right out and said that the confession video is bogus.
01:43:20.000That Fatty Bin Laden confession video where there's an overweight imposter.
01:43:57.000And the reason it was so shoddy is they can't get most of the good CIA folks that are compartmentalized and doing real jobs to go lie for them, so it was just some black op.
01:44:05.000They put some guy who looks nothing like him, 100 pounds heavier, a nose twice the size, And they put him in there.
01:44:11.000They did face recognition, it isn't him.
01:44:13.000Then they did voice print, that's 100% it's not him.
01:44:16.000Then they had universities do the language test, where they looked at the linguistics, and it's not even the same dialect.
01:44:24.000I mean, this is... How stupid do they think we are?
01:44:27.000Well, they must think we're pretty stupid, Alex, to keep trying this stuff.
01:44:30.000But anyway, it's good to have somebody like Bruce Lawrence, who's really kind of an insider.
01:44:36.000Well, he's the head of the Religious Studies program at Duke University, and he's an accomplished Arabist and Islamologist.
01:44:42.000He's published a number of books in this area, including this most recent book of his on Osama, Messages to the World, which is a translation of Osama's speeches now.
01:44:51.000Bruce Lawrence, when he put that book out, you know, he didn't select the Osama speeches that I would select.
01:44:56.000He selected them and arranged them in such a way that you could read his book and still more or less buy the official story.
01:45:01.000He ignores the bogus Smoking Gun Fatty Bin Laden confession video.
01:45:05.000He ignores all of these interviews where Bin Laden denied any responsibility for 9-11.
01:45:10.000And then we have all these other interviews where they just recut stuff that was pre-9-11 and they keep putting them out as new and then let her go, okay, that was a recut of all takes.
01:45:40.000They always have to kill a bad guy every so often just to make the story.
01:45:43.000But why do they think we're so dumb they can use the same guy over and over again, never retracting the last time?
01:45:49.000Well, I think that it's like Orwell said, that you've got to get people living in a perpetual presence where they have no historical memory, and then you just keep hitting them with these emotionally effective images.
01:45:59.000Yeah, the government is cold-bloodedly just setting the precedent to just outright lie.
01:46:27.000And then he tortures Winston until he finally just can't see any numbers.
01:46:31.000He says, I see 3, I see 5, I see 10, I see whatever you want me to see.
01:46:35.000That's right, I see Bin Laden, I see the number 2 guy, I see... Well, who's the bad guy in that?
01:46:39.000It's a turbaned, you know, like the bad guy from a Disney cartoon with the big black beard.
01:46:43.000You know, that's Goldstein, who's this enemy who could never be defeated in 1984.
01:46:47.000And Winston realizes that the government's blowing up its own buildings to keep the war against the people going, that there isn't even really an enemy.
01:46:54.000It's kind of interesting how Goldstein is the villain in 1984, this bogus villain who's this tall, dark, Semitic caricature, and this is sort of a Jewish caricature in 1984, but a lot of these nasty anti-Semitic caricatures of Jews are now being turned around and used against most Exactly.
01:47:10.000If you take the old Nazi cartoons of Jews with the big nose and the dark hair and the hunchback, you can superimpose them on the Arabs.
01:47:21.000You know, Walt Disney put out a cartoon, I believe in the early 30s or late 20s, of the three little pigs and the big bad wolf in that cartoon is a tall hook-nosed jewish stereotype this is a big you know a lot of people don't know about this but disney was apparently you know a little anti-semitic himself well fast forward a little bit and then in when was it the 80s or actually early 90s ladies when when uh... aladdin came out uh...
01:47:46.000it they put out this exact same caricature It's almost a reworking of the Big Bad Wolf, the anti-Semitic wolf, but now it's Jafar, the evil vizier, in this Middle Eastern country.
01:47:57.000And it's like they've taken this anti-Jewish stereotype and they've flipped it upside down and now it's an anti-Muslim, anti-Arab stereotype.
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01:54:58.000I'd like to talk about the, while we go, you were talking about the apocalypto and how the parallel of this.
01:55:05.000After watching your Bohemian Grove video, and really getting into this whole thing, it really looks like it's an ancient weapon that they're using on us.
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01:55:19.000I heard you had Clifford Carnicom on a few months back.
01:56:10.000And I think that we do need a change of consciousness.
01:56:12.000And I think that when they screwed up 9-11 and left a pile of smoking guns, they gave us a chance to change consciousness by picking up those smoking guns, shoving them in the face of Mr. and Mrs. America, and saying, look what they did to us!
01:56:23.000And I think that can change the world.
01:56:30.000I agree with that, but what I'm saying here, it really looks like they wouldn't have pulled all of this off without having a Contingency plan, a backup plan.
01:56:37.000It's the thing of they're so powerful, they're so big, they're invincible, what can we do?
02:01:48.000I remember 15 years ago watching different speeches he'd give in different films and learning something about the globalists and the New World Order and admiring his work.
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02:02:11.000I guess George Bush is a good conservative man of the Lord and everything's fine here in America.
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02:06:45.000I got Cliff Kincaid on today because he's done a lot of good work exposing the globalists, the U.N. agenda.
02:06:52.000He co-hosted Crossfire for a while back in the 1980s when Buchanan left to be part of the White House team, speech writer.
02:07:00.000And he's done a lot of good work on the U.N. and the New World Order.
02:07:04.000But he has written articles like C-SPAN promotes 9-11 truth movement.
02:07:11.000Then it says, the two-day event American Scholars Symposium on the Neocon Agenda was held in Los Angeles and began with host Alex Jones thanking C-SPAN for covering their affair.
02:07:18.000Participants rose to their feet in a standing ovation.
02:07:21.000Then he goes on to decry C-SPAN airing something like this.
02:07:25.000He's got another story here, impeach Bush over 9-11, and he basically derides that.
02:07:31.000And then he's got another story, North American Union conspiracy exposed.
02:07:36.000And he goes on to tell us that it's the liberals that are behind this.
02:07:39.000So we have Mr. Kincaid on with us today.
02:07:45.000Why don't you, just for listeners who may not know who you are, most of my listeners do, similar genre, why don't you tell folks a little bit about yourself?
02:08:00.000Associated with various organizations, including Accuracy in Media.
02:08:05.000As well as a group I formed about eight years ago called America's Survival, which deals mostly with foreign policy and international and UN-related issues.
02:08:16.000I've had a long career, but I am known for my independence.
02:08:21.000We are critical of conservative media as well as liberal media.
02:08:26.000We call the shots the way we see them.
02:08:38.000Well, all I could comment in that respect, Alex, is based on my attendance at the so-called 9-11 Truth Movement meeting in New York that I covered personally.
02:09:36.000Do they believe the government should combine with corporations for monopolies?
02:09:40.000Because I would see the current Bush regime as attempting every fascist trick in the playbook.
02:09:46.000The Bush administration can be criticized on many grounds, and in fact the article you just mentioned about the so-called North American Union is critical of the Bush administration on that score.
02:10:04.000We will criticize the Bush administration and have done so on issues like the borders.
02:10:10.000If you've seen any of the work I've done on the UN,
02:10:13.000uh... which is freely available up on our website at USAsurvival.org and you go into the archives you'll find that uh... i was one of the first uh... behind the case in fact i co-wrote a book about the case of michael new the army specialist who was discharged for bad i know that a little listen i know the good work you've done i don't know cliff how you couldn't look at the evidence of nine eleven which is just there's so much of it
02:10:41.000And I don't mean the debunking done by Hearst Yellow Journalism Publishing or by the BBC, because that's straw men and ad hominem attacks.
02:10:49.000I mean, if you really look at 7, clearly blown up.
02:10:52.000I got police firemen saying they were told get back, 10 second countdown, the government was going to blow it up.
02:10:57.000You can't put explosives in there in a burning building.
02:11:01.000You've got Bush with all the troops massing to invade Afghanistan and the surrounding countries in the two months before with the launch order to attack the day before.
02:11:26.000Are you aware of any of those, or do you just deny those?
02:11:29.000Well, I've looked at all of it, and I don't find it convincing.
02:11:32.000What I do find convincing is that, and even Al Jazeera has discovered this and admitted it, even though it is certainly a raid against the forces of the United States.
02:11:51.000Al Jazeera, and for people who are interested, this gets to the heart of what's happening here.
02:11:57.000You have to be independently minded enough to be able to sort through the misinformation and the disinformation.
02:12:04.000And I think some of what we've been hearing about 9-11 and the alleged complicity of the U.S.
02:12:09.000government is coming from foreign intelligence services that want to mislead us into thinking that the Bush administration and not the Islamists are the real enemy.
02:12:19.000Really, I was on the air two months before 9-11 and I'm not some foreign intelligence or domestic intelligence operative and I launched Operation Expose the Government Terrorist and said all the indicators I see is they're going to attack the World Trade Center and blame it on their former asset Osama Bin Laden.
02:12:35.000I mean they now admit Gulf of Tonkin was staged, the CIA admits they staged the attacks on Iran in 1953 to stage terror attacks and blame it on Mohammed Mosaddegh.
02:12:44.000It's now admitted that the U.S. and Israel were in cahoots on the attack on the USS Liberty.
02:12:48.000I've had the admirals on the air who took the call from LBJ saying, I want that GD ship going to the bottom.
02:12:54.000I mean, are you saying our government and other governments don't stage terror attacks?
02:12:57.000I'm saying that when it comes to 9-11, we were caught by surprise, and that an Islamist terrorist group with links to Al Jazeera, and we have quite a bit of evidence on this, was behind it.
02:13:14.000being unprepared and not knowing exactly what led up to it, I'm saying we need more answers.
02:13:21.000We just posted this week on our website an excellent piece by Jack Cashel dealing with the Sandy Berger stolen documents scandal that He looks at the TWA 800 cover-up.
02:13:33.000He was sticking Abel Danger documents in his pants.
02:13:36.000And we've been focusing on that as well.
02:13:39.000But what we've tied it to, and this is important, and we were among the first, and we continue to hold to this view, that the U.S.
02:13:47.000government did cover up the true cause of what happened to TWA 800.
02:13:52.000And what we do in this piece by Jack Cashel is connect that to what happened on 9-11.
02:13:56.000So we're not We're not averse to thinking about possible government conspiracy theories, but we believe that they have to be well documented, and we have done so in the case of TWA 800.
02:14:09.000Well, let's talk about that before you leave us, but let's go back here for just a moment.
02:14:14.000In my first film about 9-11, we start out with Bill Clinton four separate times, when he was in Sudan, when he was in Afghanistan, when he was in Saudi Arabia.
02:14:23.000Their government said, we want to arrest him and give him to you.
02:14:27.000And Clinton signed W199I Internal Order ordering the intelligence agencies and the defense establishment as well as the Federal Bureau of investigation to back off, also to back off ACU-CON laboratories in Pakistan that successfully produced the bomb, the nuclear bomb for that country, which now has a whole parcel of them.
02:14:49.000And then Bush reissued in February of 2001, W199I, the BBC's reported on, ordering the same policy.
02:14:58.000So, you know, we hear this talk about, oh, Bill Clinton did it.
02:15:02.000No, they're all involved in protecting these people and FBI agent Robert Wright got up on C-SPAN in 2002 crying with Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch and of course with The impeachment lawyer, David Shippers, and said, here's a letter where I'll be arrested if I tell you what I know.
02:15:22.000All we can tell you, and he broke down crying, is the Bush's vacation with the Bin Ladens.
02:15:26.000You ever seen that National Press Club video?
02:16:13.000There's still a cover-up underway regarding Able Danger, and we haven't gotten to the bottom of that one either.
02:16:20.000Well, it had to be something big for Sandy Berger to be in there cramming papers in his pants.
02:16:26.000And I think what it was, and go to our website at AIM.org to find this out, Jack Heschel makes a convincing case that the documents that Berger stole dealt with the shoot-down Not the mysterious crash, the shoot-down of TWA 800.
02:16:42.000Well, you ask what I've done on it, I've probably done 50, 60, 70 shows in the last 10 years since that happened with experts and filmmakers and helicopter pilots and Navy officers.
02:16:59.000Well, we've not only talked to him and run his most recent piece, and he's an expert on this subject, we actually did a film ourselves Years ago.
02:17:08.000So we approach each one of these incidents independently, trying to ascertain the facts, and then we publish what we find.
02:17:15.000Well, look, there's no doubt that Bill Clinton was involved in the build-up to 9-11, not just letting it happen.
02:17:21.000Clearly, the military-industrial complex you know full well is a lot better than Bill Clinton or George Bush, Cliff, Kincaid.
02:17:28.000And I think if you honestly look at 9-11, instead of some of the straw men or kooks that are out there, you're going to find out that it's deep and dark.
02:17:36.000But let's come back and let you expound on what really happened at TWA Flight 800 and what's happening with the North American Union.
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02:22:22.000Nichols McVeigh had high-level help in FBI.
02:22:27.000Here's another headline, Nichols says, Oklahoma City, an FBI operation, affidavits, and it fits in with all the eyewitnesses and the rest of it.
02:22:37.000Then you look at TWA Flot 800, all we know from General Vinton Parton and many others is that it fits, and reporters snuck in and got samples and got arrested.
02:22:45.000That it had clearly been hit by at least one missile, probably two continuous rod missiles.
02:22:52.000Cliff Kincaid, from your research on this, who do you think was involved in shooting those missiles that were witnessed by hundreds of members of the military, police, state police, and others that day?
02:23:03.000We have looked at almost all the incidents and cases you just brought up.
02:23:08.000In fact, we've got a piece on Oklahoma City that's going to be published in about a few weeks.
02:23:15.000Just to back up for a second, it is our belief that Al-Qaeda is a real Islamic terrorist organization, that it was not only responsible for 9-11, but was also responsible for the post-9-11 anthrax attacks.
02:23:37.000Okay, see, this is what you do, Cliff.
02:23:39.000We've got the evidence, and not only that, we've been almost alone in supporting the cases that have been brought by Stephen Hatfield, who had his life and career ruined.
02:23:53.000By the Bush Justice Department, incidentally, who Under John Ashcroft, who accused him of being a, quote, person of interest, when he had absolutely nothing to do with it.
02:24:09.000In that case, and this goes back a long, long way into the Clinton administration and continuing under the Bush administration, we've got a very, very corrupt FBI.
02:24:24.000And when you have corruption on top of incompetence, you have a very, very dangerous situation.
02:24:30.000And we have made the point not only that Hatfield is innocent, we have supported his lawsuits not only against the New York Times for defamation for accusing him of being involved in the anthrax murders, but against the Bush Justice Department itself.
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02:31:10.000The only thing that's real The needle tears the hole The old familiar I don't know if I agree with that term.
02:31:33.000You know, to see so many people who have been fighting the New World Order just not being able to deal with the fact that George Bush is a New World Order pimp is hard for me to deal with.
02:31:46.000But we're going to finish up with TWA Flight 800.
02:31:48.000We're going to get into his new article by Cliff Kincaid at AIM.org.
02:31:53.000North American Union conspiracy exposed.
02:31:55.000We have links to this up on Infowars.com, the sub page.
02:31:58.000But he starts out with how the Democratic Party liberals are running this, and they've discovered the liberal conspiracy.
02:32:04.000Well, it's like the professor Carol Quigley, who was Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown, said he was part of the globalist apparatchik and allowed to go into their files.
02:32:13.000He said, no, they control the left, the right, the fascists, the communists, anything that consolidates, anything that creates big government that global corporations can then suck off of is how they operate.
02:32:22.000We'll get into that in a minute and let him counter anything he disagrees with, but give us your research and your take on what really happened with TWA Flight 800.
02:32:29.000Well, let me tell you, it's impossible to know for sure.
02:32:34.000But this is our best estimate, and again, people can go to AIM.org and see Jack Cashel's latest piece on Sandy's secrets, as we call it.
02:32:43.000The link between what he stole, the documents, and TWA 800 leading up to 9-11.
02:32:49.000But we do believe that the Navy was pre-positioned that night to possibly intercept a terrorist hijacked airplane or missile.
02:33:00.000And that it accidentally shot down TWA 800.
02:33:04.000Now this was bad news for Clinton, who wanted to be re-elected that year.
02:33:38.000We don't know for sure, but we do know that the government cover story doesn't make any sense and that the CIA was brought in to concoct this animated video that made no sense in an effort to try to discredit the eyewitnesses, more than 200 who actually saw a missile go up and hit the plane.
02:33:58.000But let me bring it back to the so-called North American Union, Alex, because you try to accuse me of being soft on President Bush by emphasizing the first paragraph in that piece.
02:34:08.000People should go to that piece at AIM.org and read it for yourself.
02:34:12.000I start out with the fact that Robert Pastor, formerly of the Carter administration and a Clinton advisor, made certain comments because he was the host of this conference I personally attended and covered in Washington last Friday.
02:34:26.000He is the brain behind the North American Union.
02:34:30.000Sure, and he's been on Lou Dobbs and... Or community, as I call it.
02:34:33.000But if you read... Hold on, I mean, he wrote towards the North American community, and then Bush basically, word for word, had it translated into the Security and Prosperity Partnership, signed in March of 2005.
02:34:43.000But all your articles start out with, the Marxist at the 9-11 meeting, the commie, the liberal.
02:35:05.000Well, if you read my article, you'll see I'm hard on Bush.
02:35:08.000I'm hard on the corporations for exploiting NAFTA, for exploiting free trade, for trying to form these North American institutions, for the Congress not paying any attention, for the media covering it all up.
02:35:35.000Listen, I think you're certainly a lot better than the people you just mentioned.
02:35:39.000I'm just, I mean, talking about Limbaugh, they're still denying there's even a North American Union and the things being created right now.
02:35:46.000I mean, Well, that's right, and they're in denial.
02:35:49.000I just confirmed yesterday that Tony Snow, the White House spokesman, had been on Lars Larson's show, I think, in Oregon.
02:35:56.000In January, when he was asked about this, and he says, oh, it's all an urban legend.
02:36:19.000You create international law, then you have international courts, international police and military to enforce international law, and the international tax to fund it all, and we got the SPP.gov North American Summit meeting last September through Judicial Watch, and what's the first agenda?
02:36:33.000How to keep it secret from the people!
02:36:35.000And as a matter of fact, on Friday, tomorrow, There's a meeting of the Security and Prosperity Partnership in Canada.
02:36:54.000Now, we probably won't see much in the media about it, but it refers to all the three North American neighbors launched the Security and Prosperity Partnership in March 2005.
02:37:07.000And that the Chief Diplomats of Canada, Mexico and the U.S.
02:38:09.000government, Rice, Chertoff, and Gutierrez are there, as well as all their counterparts from Mexico and Canada.
02:38:17.000Now that's how the SPP works is they when they set this up there's three individuals from each of the three nations who then sit on this internal secret board and then you've got all these corporations there who are there to help implement this and did you see in the LA Times as well as the Associated Press That's exactly right.
02:38:38.000where not just Bank of America, but all the other major banks, Wells Fargo, you name it, are saying we're not going to make them show IDs or Social Security numbers to get bank accounts and housing loans and car loans to, quote, help them grow roots here so they can't be driven out of the country.
02:38:55.000They are already starting some pilot projects, especially in California, to give Visa cards, Master cards, credit cards to illegal aliens.
02:39:06.000One of the things that Robert Pastor said, and I interviewed him on Friday at this conference, was he wants, supposedly, to stop illegal immigration.
02:39:15.000He wants another $200 billion from Mexico, plus a national fraud-proof biometric national ID card to control the movement of people in and out of the U.S.
02:39:27.000Tell us more about this meeting you attended where they're trying to merge the legal systems.
02:39:31.000It was held under the auspices of the American University College of Law, sponsored by Pastors Center for North American Studies.
02:39:40.000This is a division of AU, a large college, university in the Nation's Capital that actually offers a minor to students in the subjects of North American Studies.
02:39:53.000I've got one research paper from one of the students that went through this place in which he calls for a North American Parliament The details are provided.
02:40:02.000I'm going to be writing more about that in the future.
02:40:05.000But this is, and they're actually now sponsoring what they call model North American Parliament meetings, sort of like model UN programs that permeate our schools, trying to get students to think in terms of the continent.
02:40:35.000He thinks there might be a role for some fences along some isolated high-crime areas of the border.
02:40:40.000But basically, he thinks the only way to keep them out of the U.S.
02:40:43.000is to pour another $200 billion into Mexico!
02:40:47.000He thinks that's going to make them rich!
02:40:51.000Oh yes, and then they'll have freedom, and then they'll be a trading partner.
02:40:54.000No, globalism is designed along neo-feudalist, neo-mercantile models to consolidate the wealth in the hands of a tiny elite.
02:41:02.000It's not a free market system, and then their own documents show that.
02:41:06.000How do we... Well of course it's not, and let me tell you one of the most fascinating things about this conference, and it was sort of a, I think, unexpected for Mr. Pastor, or Dr. Pastor.
02:41:15.000It was at the end of the conference on a panel featuring a Mexican ambassador who admitted that Mexico is hopelessly corrupt.
02:41:23.000He said there's too many payoffs and bribes and corruption.
02:41:26.000He said corruption permeates all of these governmental institutions, that reforms were attempted under President Fox, but they went nowhere.
02:41:35.000So it raises the whole question, then, at the end of this all-day conference about how to merge the Mexican economy into the U.S.
02:41:43.000How can we merge our country into a country, a regime, that's hopelessly corrupt?
02:41:48.000And that is one of the trump cards we have here, the fact that Mexico is a hopelessly corrupt country, that the government cannot be trusted, and why in the hell should we be trying to suggest A North American Union merging Mexico into our country.
02:42:04.000The only possible justification is that in their view, and this is why I went to the conference to get it right from the horse's mouth, Robert Pastor really believes, this is the liberal mindset, that we can only solve this problem by pouring more of our tax dollars into Mexico.
02:42:35.000These are people that believe in the almighty state.
02:42:37.000These are individuals that believe in centralization.
02:42:40.000And look, we're allies when it comes to true conservative beliefs.
02:42:43.000But, you know, when you come out, going back to TWA Flight 800, and you say, what we do know is the official story is a lie, same thing on 9-11.
02:42:52.000We can debate exactly what happened there, but we're being lied to across the board on 9-11.
02:42:58.0009-11's being used to take our liberties while leaving our borders wide open, while being used for military expansionist operations that make our country less secure, And then we run into the problem of, I talk about North American Union, I have the documents.
02:43:13.000You talk about it, they're still in denial.
02:43:15.000You can say I'm being condescending if I say you're in denial about 9-11.
02:43:18.000I mean, all I know is I'm going where I think the truth is and trying to get the best picture I can, Cliff, and I agree with you on about 90% of things.
02:43:35.000for almost uh... uh... thirty five years as i go and cover these things myself i find out for myself that's why i was at the pastor conference on the north american community as he calls it and then we produce our reports we publish our information on the general value it's also sure what i don't have a little relation none of this is surmised when i said about pw eight eight hundred what i what we thought happened i i made the point of saying this is our best estimate this is our best guess but we don't know for sure but i do know this about nine eleven
02:44:05.000Al Qaeda, a foreign terrorist organization, was involved.
02:44:10.000Well, look, we've got a lot of corruption in the CIA and the FBI as well, but I don't think...
02:44:16.000See, I think you confuse conspiracy theories with what I prefer in some of these cases to call a stupidity theory, right?
02:44:24.000We have a government... Why did FBI agent Robert Wright break down and cry and say, all I can tell you is, the Bushes' vacation would have been lunch?
02:44:54.000I mean, you're not going to try to push the baloney that Saddam was with Al-Qaeda, are you?
02:44:59.000Well, if you want to discuss our foreign policy, that's a big issue too.
02:45:06.000And I'm not going to dispute that most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.
02:45:12.000Most of these Arab-Muslim regimes in the world are not our friends.
02:45:16.000Why did James Baker block the suit by the widows against the Saudis?
02:45:21.000Well, I can't defend the Saudis or James Baker, and if you read anything we've said, we've been very critical of our foreign policy in this part of the world.
02:45:29.000We've, in fact, criticized Entities like Fox News, because we know that a Saudi prince, a billionaire prince, Prince Alouide, is a significant shareholder in Fox News.
02:45:40.000We are the ones who have been focusing attention on him.
02:45:43.000I know, but you guys have put that out.
02:45:44.000And those who are pulling some strings behind the scenes.
02:45:49.000I bet you didn't get invited back on Fox after you criticized him.
02:45:54.000Well, we haven't been on Fox for a while, but that's fine.
02:45:59.000We're not doing reports in order to get invited on radio or TV shows, but I will go on a lot of shows and offer my opinions, and I'll tell you this, that we do believe that Al Qaeda is a real terrorist organization.
02:46:11.000We think Al Jazeera is their mouthpiece, and it's a danger to the United States as well.
02:46:17.000I do believe there are foreign terrorist threats out there, And we've got to be wary of them, and that too many in the Arab-Muslim world want to kill us.
02:46:26.000Well, and I guess giving up all of our rights, having national ID cards, but keeping the borders open and worshipping police in black ski masks will keep us safe.
02:46:33.000Well, as we just discussed, I'm certainly not in favor of an open border policy, and we were Uh, complaining about this going back a decade or more.
02:46:44.000We've been critical of the Bush administration, and we've certainly been critical of their conduct in this case of the North American community.
02:47:42.000New polls coming out show even higher numbers, Cliff.
02:47:45.000Well, go to aim.org and read the latest piece about TWA 800 and 9-11.
02:47:51.000And some of the pieces of the puzzle will come together for you.
02:47:53.000Well, I have no doubt Sandy Berger is involved, and I agree with you there.
02:47:57.000Did you hear about Zbigniew Brzezinski coming out before the Senate Intelligence Committee just a few weeks ago saying that there may be a staged event blamed on Iran to get us into war?
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