It's a Friday morning in America, and it's been an amazing week for 9/11 Truth, and anyone who wants to bring down the New World Order and expose the corrupt oligarchy that runs our planet today, we're going to have wide open phones in the first, second, and third hours of today's show. In the first half of the show, we have David Bay of Cutting Edge Ministries joining us to talk about a new film he's producing, Riddles in Stone, a film that gets into all the occult imagery in Washington, D.C., and other areas around the nation. We also have the most bizarre interview I've ever seen where Jim Cramer is on a Yahoo News show, laying out how the stock market is a complete fraud and a scam, and almost completely staged.
00:00:25.000It's been an amazing week for 9-11 Truth and Well, anyone who wants to bring down the New World Order and expose the corrupt oligarchy that runs our planet today.
00:00:39.000We're going to have wide open phones in the first, second, and third hour.
00:00:44.000We do have David Bay joining us of Cutting Edge Ministries to talk about just an amazing film, Part 2, that he has produced of a series of three that they're putting together.
00:00:59.000The newest one is Riddles in Stone, and it's very professionally produced, and it gets into all the occult imagery in Washington, D.C.
00:01:10.000That DVD has now arrived, is now available at Infowars.com, and we also have some big discounts on it and other films we carry, like The Order of Death, Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove Combo.
00:01:27.000So we'll tell you more about that a little bit later.
00:01:30.000We also have a whole host of clips I want to play.
00:01:33.000I've got Jim Cramer of Real Money in the most bizarre interview I've ever seen where he is on this Yahoo video news show.
00:01:52.000It's carried by Yahoo News and he's just laying out How the stock market is a complete fraud and a scam, and almost completely staged.
00:02:05.000For anybody that actually has studied the stock market or how the global financial system works, we already know this.
00:02:12.000But to have Jim Cramer just up there admitting crimes that he has committed And saying, you know, that he'll never get in trouble for it, it just shows how widespread it is.
00:02:29.000Obviously, there have been big new developments with the Charlie Sheen slash Rosie O'Donnell slash Loose Change soap opera.
00:02:40.000Yesterday morning, I learned that someone, or multiple parties, had leaked information to the New York Post, page 6, the biggest gossip column in the country.
00:02:51.000That Charlie Sheen was going to be voicing and was involved in Loose Change Final Edition.
00:02:58.000Now, I've known about this since its inception, even before the great Loose Change crew knew that Charlie wanted to contact them and talk about, you know, redoing and re-releasing it.
00:03:12.000Because we had been talking about the best plan, the best way to get 9-11 Truth in theaters nationwide and we had the idea to just make a full-length feature film with actors.
00:03:25.000and uh... obviously it'd be hard to raise fifty a hundred million to make a film that would take that type of quality and be much easier to try to fight the new world order by just reissuing redoing loose change and then boom off the races there they went getting very close to that happening i can't get into details of it but it would be cinematic legendary it would be uh... cinematic history i mean rosebud citizen kane orson welles got blacklisted blackballed
00:03:55.000Completely, for making a film that vaguely attacked Hearst Publishing, and William Randolph Hearst, the lord of Hollywood and print, and Hearst Castle and the whole nine yards, there in California.
00:04:12.000The king of yellow journalism, the king of popular mechanics today, the king of government black ops.
00:04:18.000And he was blacklisted, ladies and gentlemen.
00:04:20.000One of the hottest directors in Hollywood.
00:04:25.000Well, I mean, putting loose change in theaters, and boy, you ought to see what the redo looks like in the script.
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00:08:08.000All right, we're going to shift gears today in the second hour and get into the religion of the elite, occult architecture in the Western world, predominantly in Washington, D.C.
00:08:37.000We're now carrying that at InfoWars.com.
00:08:39.000Then I'm going to briefly have 9-11 Truth from Philly on, who really upset Alan, I Love Torture, Darchewicz a few days ago, and just did a great job bringing up 9-11 Truth inside a neocon love fest where they were calling for eternal war and a great glorious police state here domestically.
00:09:05.000Also, I have really serious news on the immigration front.
00:09:09.000They have introduced a modified blanket amnesty plan as a guest worker program, but they're calling it a temporary, temporary guest worker program.
00:09:19.000The last temporary guest worker program was complete and total amnesty for anyone who was here in the United States illegally, anyone who can get here for six years.
00:09:29.000And it also allowed corporations to fund, on buses, trains, and airplanes, unlimited visas for skilled and unskilled workers.
00:09:40.000Two days ago I learned of this legislation that has just been reintroduced.
00:09:44.000I have since scanned over the legislation and it is the exact same thing, basically.
00:09:51.000It just calls it a temporary temporary, so they're playing more word games, so the end of the nation, I mean if your nation doesn't have borders, and doesn't have controls, and if anybody can come in and be part of the country, and have instant welfare, then you don't have a nation, and this is the globalist plan to kill the country, and they're literally strangling the nation to death right in front of us, the country has turned blue, now it's turning white, the country has passed out, And they can take their hands off our throat.
00:10:18.000We're probably still going to be a brain-damaged country.
00:10:37.000But the globalists have done everything they can to destroy this nation, and they have done an absolutely fabulous job.
00:10:44.000And the drug war has gotten 7 million people in the system, and there's more drugs than ever on the streets, and the government ships in the narcotics that launders the money through their banks, and uses that to finance the buy-up of government and so-called privatization.
00:12:04.000Let's go ahead now and get into the news here.
00:12:09.000Where to start, first off, Back on Monday and Tuesday, we did our best to force the mainstream media to report that Rosie O'Donnell, in three separate detailed posts last week, went public on 9-11 truth, detailing that Bush obviously would have been whisked out of the
00:12:30.000Elementary school in Florida, that his itinerary was known internationally, there were airports nearby, that it was standard operating procedure to remove him, that he looked like he already knew and they came up and told him, that building 7 was clearly blown up and she gave all the evidence.
00:12:46.000She didn't just link to what really happened, as the media said, how dare her just cut and paste something.
00:12:51.000She put dozens of links, I mean there was probably 20 something links in one post she did.
00:12:57.000to different sites and 9-11 scholars and 9-11 studies and just all these different sites.
00:13:09.000Limbaugh mentioned last Friday, now I guess eight days ago, that he knew, he mentioned that he knew that she was a 9-11 truther and a cook, basically.
00:13:23.000And then I was on a national neocon show, Manco, and he, of course, knew about it and was freaking out in fear.
00:13:31.000And, I mean, they're upset, folks, because they know they're going to lose.
00:13:56.000They tried to demonize everybody else to again set the precedent and it's not working.
00:14:01.000The dam is breaking on them and they know it.
00:14:04.000Total public acceptance that 9-11 is an inside job.
00:14:08.000The destruction of their myth That it was an outside attack, hence we need to lose all our liberties, kill the Bill of Rights, kill America, and have endless war and all these slaves.
00:14:20.000And so we did everything we could, you did, the listeners, and you already before this went supernova, and it did go supernova yesterday, you had already pushed it over the edge and mainstream news was starting to break Thursday.
00:14:34.000Morning and then you have the added combo and I guess the individuals that linked it to the page six are trying to kill the project, but it looks like it backfired because the publicity is just Accelerating the project now.
00:14:47.000I've been told by inside sources and so that's certainly good news But if there's any ever doubt there was ever a doubt that we're literally just seeing old-fashioned, New York gangsterism where My mom went and saw a documentary that had South by Southwest.
00:16:02.000Back when I was a fighting man, I've gotten a few fights, people my own size, and I can never seem to really get turned, you know, get fired up, get turned on.
00:16:10.000When some big guy, or a couple of big guys, it was even better, would get me down, boy, it would just, incredible hulk would come out and his bones would start breaking, teeth would start popping out.
00:16:34.000My mother was telling this story as we were driving to the rodeo in the livestock show about how she went to South by Southwest and saw some of the films at the film festival.
00:16:46.000She saw this documentary about this spontaneous flea market that had popped up in upstate New York and all these poor people who were there trying to make a living and they were squatting and how this kind of thuggish type
00:17:01.000This guy just showed up and started shaking him down and then became the boss and how he would go around intimidating everybody and there was he had no authority he had no power he just had a couple thugs with him and he would tell them he was the boss and tell them he had the authority and then the city wanted to kick him out of this shut down mall parking lot and so he actually helped set them up and get them kicked off of there for it's alluded to you know some type of payoff
00:17:30.000And I just thought about that, and I'm not knocking people up north.
00:17:34.000I mean, there's plenty of boss hogs and small-town corruption in the South.
00:17:40.000And there's plenty of the same type of behavior in the West.
00:17:43.000But not as bad, because... Well, I mean, I know my Eastern history.
00:17:50.000200, 230 years ago, you told somebody up North, or in the South, in the Carolinas, or wherever, that I'm going to shake your business down for money, or I'm going to tell you what to do.
00:18:00.000They would say, let's go out in the street and have a shootout.
00:18:04.000And, uh, you know, it was the New Englanders and the rest of them, you know, that led the charge against the Redcoats.
00:18:14.000But, then, in the last 130 years or so, massive influx of people from Eastern and Central Europe and other feudal states where there was no history of freedom, Where they were used to having tribal bosses and mob bosses ruling over them.
00:18:31.000And so, when you go to New York, you experience the culture of the police bossing you around and telling you you're a slave, and, you know, fat-bellied guys waddling around who are Italian, who everybody thinks they're a gangster and has power and you better be scared of them, and, you know, everyone being threatened, everyone being scared, everyone stooping over and, you know, bending their backs and bending their knees to this type of stuff.
00:18:59.000There are many famous cases of classical mafia trying to come into the South or the West and it just didn't work.
00:19:07.000Now it does work now because now we're cowardly, chicken neck, land of the coward, home of the slaves down here on average.
00:19:15.000And so now you have the mafia starting to flourish and people being ordered around in fear.
00:19:55.000So when we get back, I'll get into O'Reilly and his mafia threats.
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00:24:52.000O'Donald Sheen back at 9-11 Conspiracy Theory.
00:26:21.000We're working on it, so keep your mouth shut!
00:26:25.000Anyways, I'm going to stop joking around here.
00:26:28.000There's no research they put into any of this.
00:26:31.000They're just all saying that Rosie O'Donnell's involved in this now, because the people writing these articles are so dumbed down, a lot of them aren't even operatives, that they can't even differentiate.
00:26:43.000They've just heard through the grapevine, through all the emails and stories that have been suppressed, as we've been pushing the last week and a half to get this story out, that Rosie O'Donnell has gone public on 9-11 Truth.
00:26:53.000So that must mean she's involved with loose change, because that's kind of become the cultural signpost, or the symbol.
00:27:43.000As well, more juggernauts, more cultural logos, signets, symbols.
00:27:55.000But they couldn't even get that straight that it was not Rosie O'Donnell.
00:28:01.000But regardless, it's broken now, and they can't stop it.
00:28:04.000Now, another major national discussion and debate, and the enemies of freedom and liberty are going public, saying there is no inside job, we're all liars, and they said five separate times on O'Reilly last night, in about five minutes, that it's Holocaust denial, people hate Jews, anti-Semitism, Jews, Jews, Jews.
00:28:45.000Now, I want you to remember, and by the way, both these, Diedl, who looks like a mafioso, acts like one, and O'Reilly, the other mafioso, I mean, at the beginning of the show, we didn't send this up to the network, but we should, He just starts the show going, yeah, shut up, be quiet, it's the O'Reilly factor.
00:29:07.000I mean, these are people that want to sit there in their chairs and have some guy act tough, and he literally, his propaganda isn't even good.
00:29:14.000It's like third grade level, second grade, first grade level.
00:29:19.000He just keeps going, that's your opinion, eh, prove it, eh, eh, eh, oh, the White House wrote a memo saying we torture children, eh, prove it, do you haves it?
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00:33:31.000You see, don't forget, we can compile all this.
00:33:37.000Every week it seems I'm sent clips or we play clips.
00:33:41.000Where Bill O'Reilly gets up there and he says, well I called the FBI on this guy and got him arrested, and yeah, the guy was found not guilty.
00:33:47.000He has a guest on he disagrees with, and he goes, that's it, I'm calling them on you!
00:35:48.000In fact, instead of me just saying this, listen to this five-minute clip of O'Reilly last night as he just Folks, he literally didn't start the piece.
00:35:59.000He started the show by saying, shut up!
00:36:09.000A lot of old folks are great patriots in a way, but his main audience is old people sitting there who are scared, who want their Social Security check.
00:36:16.000Oh, and by the way, I ought to write a book about O'Reilly.
00:36:45.000Let's show you lots of blurred out porn video!
00:36:50.000And then after that we'll show you more porn!
00:36:52.000So it's the terrorists that are going to get you, the liberals are going to get you, but let's sit there and make it okay for the 75-80 year olds to look at porn on the O'Reilly Factor when he's totally obsessed with it and been in all that trouble.
00:37:05.000I mean, this is just, it's pervert television, ladies and gentlemen.
00:37:11.000And it's tailored for a bunch of people who are basically two inches out of the grave, uh, who just want to believe the lies and are totally brain dead.
00:37:30.000In fact, segment tonight, the far left fringe has embraced the conspiracy theory that elements of the U.S.
00:37:35.000government carried out the attacks on 9-11.
00:37:37.000It's unbelievable, but that's what they're saying.
00:37:39.000Now, some mainstream individuals are buying into it.
00:37:42.000Rosie O'Donnell discussed it on her blog, and the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, billionaire Mark Cuban, may distribute a movie called Loose Change.
00:37:50.000That piece of propaganda may be narrated by Charlie Sheen, And it says the U.S.
00:37:55.000government was criminally negligent on 9-11.
00:37:59.000With us now, Bo Dietl, former New York City detective, knows about the local investigation on 9-11.
00:38:04.000From Miami, Gerald Posner, the author of the book, Why America Slept, The Reasons Behind Our Failure to Prevent 9-11.
00:39:06.000And remember, a lot of these people are openly on the payroll.
00:39:09.000And they also say a detailed study later by Popular Mechanics.
00:39:13.000Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Publishing, the literal name in yellow journalism, and black ops.
00:39:19.000And the first cousin of Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff ran the piece against me and lied to me and said that it wasn't a hit piece and swore it was just an objective piece.
00:39:30.000I knew it was a fake straw man debunking.
00:39:34.000And NIST, The federal government and FEMA have said that they don't know why seven fell now and that it could have been bombs.
00:39:57.000But no, don't confuse us with the facts.
00:39:59.000Then they mention Oklahoma City, excuse me, World Trade Center, the first attack, 1993.
00:40:04.000New York Times, CBS News, admitted we have the tapes, we can play them here, we've played them many times, where the informant who they gave the money, the FBI did millions to build the bomb, gave them the detonators, First you said, hey, we were supposed to build a dummy bomb.
00:41:04.000And they're ashamed, you know, that they represent the great people in New York, by the way, who almost universally know that there's a cover-up and an inside job.
00:41:51.000Either 19 hijackers, Muslim fundamentalists, who wanted to destroy the West, flew those planes into the World Trade Center and into the Pentagon, killing 3,000 people on 9-11, or otherwise you're right and it's a conspiracy.
00:42:14.000You actually worked on the World Trade Center when they were building it.
00:42:17.000I was an iron worker back in the late 60s before I became a cop.
00:42:21.000And you know, the whole construction of the World Trade Center was heavy, thick steel walls around the outside with six inches of concrete floors.
00:42:28.000And what happened that day is when that melted, that went down and it became like potato chips.
00:43:08.000Bill Doyle, head of the biggest victims family group, the chairman, the head of the group, lost his son Joey.
00:43:14.000Bill Doyle says over half know it's an inside job, and he knows it's an inside job.
00:43:20.000I mean, I remember being up in Minnesota visiting Genesis about four years ago, being in the hotel room, I wish I could have taped it, and they said, there's a protest against Bush saying he was involved in 9-11, and it's around the White House, and it showed all these 9-11 truth signs, and victims' families saying Bush did it, Bush knew, around the White House.
00:44:32.000I saw people down there, when we got down there, when number 7 came down, they say about the building number 7 coming down the same way.
00:44:39.000Yeah, because so much heaviness came off from the World Trade Center coming down onto 7.
00:44:44.0007 came down, the foundation was all out of whack because of them coming down.
00:44:48.000There could have been more buildings coming down around.
00:44:50.000Why it happened that way, only architects and only... Well, we went over it with the popular mechanics, people who have done exhaustive study.
00:44:58.000I agree with you that I think that, you know, bringing this stuff up, accusing your own country of murdering your own citizens is painful for people who lost people.
00:45:06.000You go back... We're not accusing our own country of that.
00:45:10.000We're accusing criminal elements of doing it.
00:45:46.000I agree with you that I think that, you know, bringing this stuff up, accusing your own country of murdering your own citizens, is painful for people who lost people.
00:45:55.000You go back, you go back with the blind cleric, and then with Yusof, the connection was right there when they bombed World Trade Center 1, and they go to... But don't confuse anybody with facts.
00:46:55.000And the product today is much slicker.
00:46:56.000You know, in the old days, you used to get a right-wing revisionist who would stand up and say, oh, by the way, the Holocaust is a myth, and they would just deny it, and we all knew they were crazy, and that was the end of it.
00:47:06.000These films that they're putting out are very slick.
00:47:08.000They tend to show things in a way that if you watch it and you're impressionable, it's like JFK that Oliver Stone did.
00:47:33.000They admit that their false history, their lie, their myth, their religion of government worship and tyranny worship and black ski mask worship is falling apart.
00:47:44.000They admit that we're engaging them and beating them and stopping them.
00:47:48.000I mean, everybody knows JFK is extremely accurate.
00:47:51.000You've been totally disproven, you kook.
00:48:55.000I'm not going to go against Well, I was a Muslim.
00:48:57.000on everything he's doing is things that are being done right the economy is great and everything but people are going to be negative these people that want to develop a film showing that this really never happened or it happened with America first of all they had another one for conspiracy that Israel did it and wanted to get it I mean it goes on and on and on Muslims try to blame it on it's aggravating to me to The one most important thing, Bill, is the people that died there on September 11th and their families.
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00:54:55.000I just want to issue a warning about a 9-11 Truth member.
00:54:59.000I represent New York 9-11 Truth, and there's a character by the name of Wes Jameson that stole our account, that has been selling DVDs at Ground Zero.
00:55:14.000And he's splitting up the whole group.
00:55:15.000So we're basically issuing a warning about him and making it public.
00:55:20.000And we expect that... You know, I've met Les a few times.
00:56:39.000I agree with you, sir, and I really appreciate your call.
00:56:42.000Is there any website or alternative group you guys are setting up?
00:56:46.000Well, we're part of... I'm actually friends with Luke Rutkowski, and... Sure, so the website is... WeAreChange.org, and we're basically working on a website every day.
00:56:58.000We're going to make it an everyday news website.
00:57:02.000as well as we're working on the new movie probably going to be called america double-crossed bones it is going to discuss the federal reserve skull and bones have those could be the best connection and we just hit it to the timing and as long as they don't disrupt this with what do you think of a riley and all these guys with a mafia show You better watch it.
00:57:40.000Right, so everything they've ever built on, everything they've ever stood for is about to collapse on them and they're really afraid because the higher up you are, the harder you're going to fall.
00:58:13.000You were talking about the New York Post and we just heard all that propaganda and all those threats on the Rupert Murdoch-Owen Fox Network.
00:58:23.000And a post in its March 4th Sunday edition had a full page ad on an interview that they had with Newt Gingrich.
00:58:33.000And I think you might be interested in seeing that.
00:58:36.000Well, is he still giving the speech of the First Amendment must die?
00:59:39.000He was making a point about the New York Post, which is Rupert Murdoch-owned, Fox News, and it's the same theme, shut up, shut up, you shouldn't have free speech, you're Nazis, you're Hitler, you want to kill Jews, when you question 9-11, which I think you protest too much.
00:59:55.000Why do they keep bringing Jews into this?
01:00:17.000And the subhead is, America, the war, and the world, according to Newt.
01:00:22.000So right below that, there's a big picture of him gesturing with his hand.
01:00:27.000And I'll just read you the introduction to the interview that they had with Gingrich.
01:00:31.000And it says, note, The Post's editors sat down with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich last week to discuss the state of American politics and government during the War on Terror.
01:00:44.000Themes core to his forthcoming book, American Solutions.
01:00:50.000And then it gives a basic transcript or an excerpt of their interview.
01:00:54.000And basically Gingrich is saying that the War on Terror is what the next president should all be about, that that's the only overriding concern.
01:01:03.000And of course he had nothing but praise for Giuliani, and the Post obviously is pushing the Giuliani presidency, and also Gingrich.
01:01:13.000And, you know, Alex, I don't scout the papers as much as you do, and maybe your staff, but I bet my bottom dollar that the New York Post, which I used to read until about seven years ago, I couldn't take it anymore, but the New York Post is probably warmonger paper number one in this country.
01:01:46.000And I urge people just to boycott anything of Rupert Murdoch, whether it's Fox News, whether it's the New York Post, Zondervan Publishing Company, which he bought out a few years ago.
01:01:58.000And that's the company that published Rick Warren's book, The Purpose Driven Life, and Rick Warren joined the CFR recently.
01:02:08.000And that's all part of taking over Christianity.
01:02:16.000I mean, most mainline Christians think world governments to be worshipped, that George Bush is to be worshipped, that Israel can do no wrong.
01:02:25.000And then laying down to evil is what you're supposed to do.
01:02:29.000And lastly, just listening to that interview, or the Fox clip, I heard Posner at least four or five times make references to the Holocaust.
01:02:43.000Anybody like you, or anybody else who wants more facts to be known about 9-11, or more research to be known, we are all basically complicit in a way, in some kind of mass murder scheme.
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01:07:06.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:07:10.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:07:17.000I remember about a year ago being sent Part 1 In a series, Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings, Volume 1 of the Secret Mysteries series.
01:07:33.000And I mean, this was Discovery Channel, History Channel quality, but it was even better.
01:07:41.000And I've known David Bay for many years.
01:08:13.000And I've always meant to make a film about, I mean actually I have, a small section of the Order of Death that I made two years ago, a year and a half ago, a small section of that 46 minute film does get into the occult architecture in D.C.
01:08:33.000I've done a few special reports where we show how they always put the goddess Andromeda or the goddess Diana or Eulogia looking down over war memorials in D.C.
01:08:59.000I just knew from history that it is the goddess Diana.
01:09:03.000And then, of course, they also have the Greek name for up on top, the tallest Capitol in the U.S., the Texas Capitol.
01:09:14.000And it's also admitted that the Masons got in an argument with the folks in D.C., because there's these little internal courts they have about their... because they believe architecture gives them power and these are like their temples, these ambulances, and they put them on key positions on the Earth's surface.
01:10:36.000I mean, it's un... I mean, that thing's like a...
01:10:40.000You ever lived in a big city and when you were younger went to one of the big fancy haunted houses where they just built this big scaffolding of a dark tower?
01:10:46.000I mean, that's what Ottawa looks like.
01:10:51.000My point is that this professionally, and it shows both sides, walks through it and shows the history and the admissions and then All of the occultism, you know, the National Press Clubs, the owl with the staff and the Aladdin's lamp, the three things they use in the rituals at Bohemian Grove, and then of course the press founded that, and the Western Press Club did.
01:11:18.000And you go to the Supreme Court building and it's devils and owls and gargoyles and everything else.
01:11:23.000They admit that the Canadian Parliament, this is mainstream news, has the sun calculation of 666 in its major room and has an Ark of the Covenant redo inside a marble box.
01:11:35.000But when they were asked about it, they admitted they've got a... I mean, these people, folks, they are obsessed with this.
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01:11:57.000And we hope you get it out to everybody at $29.95, because it cost a lot for them to make.
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01:12:05.000Now, if you get it, we've got a deal where you can get a discount on the Order of Death when you do get it, if you'd like.
01:12:10.000If you haven't gotten The Order of Death, which is a pretty good film I made, with the new footage shot inside Bohemian Grove two years ago by an infiltrator in 2005 who worked there, I mean, inside the Molokow, the effigy of the child they burn, of the small human they burn.
01:12:30.000And then, of course, on that same DVD, The Order of Death, you also get my original Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove, cut from two hours and five minutes down to 130 minutes with new information added.
01:12:46.000When I got back from Bohemian Grove in 2000, I ran in with the digital tapes, but edited Digital, linear, editing, three-quarter inch deck, folks.
01:12:56.000And I did it in two weeks while I was getting death threats.
01:12:59.000I mean, I literally almost didn't sleep.
01:16:38.000The research behind These seven series of films that we are going to produce all under the Secret Mysteries of America's Beginning headline.
01:16:55.000There is so much material that we just feel like we have to extend this because there's just so much more material we couldn't fit into the first video or the second video.
01:17:09.000And so we are now going to make seven.
01:17:12.000But this represents 14 years of research.
01:17:17.000And like I said, last year when we talked, I found this excellent filmmaker, Chris Pinto.
01:17:24.000He's a Christian filmmaker, probably the only one in the industry, but he's really, really terrific.
01:17:31.000I'm so pleased the way he took the material that I presented him and And some material that he found on his own and just, uh, uh, you know, uh, he, he, uh, weaved into a magnificent storyline, I think.
01:17:46.000Now, again, the Loose Change guys have put out a powerful film.
01:17:49.000You are the guy that put out some documentaries and Get Better and Better and basically an online video and bookstore.
01:18:13.000we've we've you know this cutting-edge ministries has been has been the Lord's work for a lot you know ever since I started in 1989 and but this this is the film you know that I felt you know that that the Lord wanted me to put out it It shows masonry for what it really is.
01:18:33.000And it shows that while America's cultural foundation is people's values, we're Christian, it's leaders, we're secret society pagans.
01:18:44.000And what I wanted to do is... Well stay there, stay there, we're going to get back.
01:18:48.000And you know what, I'm going to dig that clip up.
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01:23:38.000First off, I wanted to play a clip from about a four-year-old TV program about Benjamin Franklin, who ended up dying in England, and the satanic worship he enjoyed.
01:23:47.000Now, this is admitted mainstream news.
01:23:49.000For anyone who knows history, the general public will laugh all day.
01:23:52.000Franklin was really a British agent, all evidence shows.
01:23:55.000Tried to throw the war, but he failed.
01:23:58.000America was born in rebellion, and a few of its greatest icons made alliances with the host of hell.
01:24:08.000In the late 1700s, a group of Englishmen formed the first Hellfire Club, a fraternity dedicated to drinking, sex, and at times, ridiculing Christianity and mocking its sacred rituals.
01:24:23.000Members met at ruined monasteries to revel in black masses and drunken orgies.
01:24:29.000An occasional participant was the American ambassador to Great Britain, Benjamin Franklin.
01:24:36.000Alright, David Bay, your film goes a lot deeper than the History Channel.
01:24:41.000Break down the film and why folks need to get it.
01:24:44.000Well, the film documents the fact that our founding fathers We're following the Illuminati plan set forth by Sir Francis Bacon, Queen Elizabeth, when they founded this nation.
01:25:00.000And that plan was that America was to be the leading nation of all the nations of the world, gradually leading them into a global economy, a global religion, and a global government, a global dictatorial government.
01:25:12.000and then phase out of its, once it's led the world into this new global system, then America's influence would phase out, America would shrink then America's influence would phase out, America would shrink to just one of the nations in the global system.
01:25:36.000Use the United States as an engine for global hegemon and empire, working with the British Empire, and then phase those out into the larger global government structure.
01:25:46.000But once that's done, Then, the Illuminati plan is to stage a Masonic Christ, and he will then lead the world into a thousand years of peace.
01:25:58.000And they really believe this, and they've written books about this.
01:26:02.000Supreme Grand Headmasons have said this, and that they believe Lucifer is Christ, or that Christ is really the devil.
01:26:09.000Well, they believe in the as above, so below maxim, which means, among other things, Means that Lucifer and Jesus Christ are opposite but equal gods.
01:26:20.000And they serve Lucifer, and not Jesus.
01:26:24.000But they don't look upon Jesus as being omnipotent God, as the Bible says, and Lucifer being a beaten foe.
01:26:31.000They believe that Lucifer is an equal to Jesus Christ.
01:26:34.000Absolutely, and that's admitted, and they feel the power of Lucifer seething in their hands in the words of Albert Pike.
01:26:40.000And they believe they're energized by this power.
01:26:44.000Then you've got the general public who sees the pyramid symbols, the all-seeing-eye symbols, Interlocking triangles, symbols, hundreds of Illuminati symbols.
01:27:05.000We discovered that the architecture of Washington DC tells this story.
01:27:10.000If you know what you're looking for, it tells this story.
01:27:14.000That America is to lead the nations of the world To a man whom they call, you know, not only their Masonic Christ, but they call him Destiny.
01:27:24.000And when a Luciferian creates a symbol, whether it's on a piece of paper, or whether it's on the ground as the street layout, or whether it's a building, they believe, not you and I believe it, but they believe that that
01:27:45.000Uh, that, uh, that symbol, that design, that building, that street design, uh, begins to pulsate with a cold power from the supernatural realm 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
01:27:58.000And that that power will move the, move The world moved the nation in the direction that they want it to be moved.
01:28:08.000Yeah, they believe it's a focusing tool or a vortex.
01:28:15.000And they believe further that when they dedicate We're on the march.
01:28:20.000like the cornstown of a building or a building in the Baal worship corn, wine, and oil ceremony, that they are inviting the spirits from the other realm that they want to come down and inhabit that building.
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01:30:04.000Just as prophesied, the judgments upon America have begun.
01:30:07.000Yes, the terror attacks of 9-11 opened Revelation's first seal.
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01:32:54.000If you'd like to get it as a combo deal with Secret Mysteries of America, we've got a little discount.
01:33:00.000We've got a huge discount if you get it with my film, The Order of Death, that is pretty darn good if I don't say so myself.
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01:33:15.000So you get the new film Order of Death with Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grub on the same DVD over three hours and then you two films are not over it's two and a two and a half hours now because we cut some out that's right to make it move faster.
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01:33:49.000Riddles in Stone, America's Secret Beginnings.
01:33:53.000Riddles in Stone, Secret Architecture of Washington, D.C., will continue to explore the fascinating history behind the origins and focus of the world's most powerful nation, America.
01:34:04.000And it is such important work, and we're blessed to have David Bay and his director, who together collaborated to make Part One, which I thought was, again, amazing.
01:34:15.000It's, they're both good, but this one I've got to say is stronger.
01:34:19.000Just because it's more, you know, it's closer into history, it's closer to our time, and you can see the evidence everywhere.
01:34:28.000And again, this is admitted by the elites.
01:34:30.000They're totally... I mean, Tony Blair every day is possessed by the great white spirit, he calls it.
01:35:30.000I'm making a film parallel to this right now that just gets into the actual politics of it.
01:35:37.000You know, instead of the history of it.
01:35:39.000But, I mean, break it down, because I want people tuning in to understand.
01:35:43.000You know, you're 14 years of research, and I've done the same amount of research.
01:35:47.000Unfortunately, it's horrifying that this is real.
01:35:51.000We're not telling you about... I mean, take Ghostbusters.
01:35:54.000I mentioned that, and then we ran into the break.
01:35:56.000In that movie, which of course is ridiculous, most of it, but it says there's a crazy architect in New York who built a building to channel spiritual energy.
01:36:06.000Well, the truth is, that's what they admit capitals are built for.
01:36:10.000The Frost Bank building downtown looks like the building out of Ghostbusters.
01:36:15.000There's weird crystal pyramids throughout the building and pyramids all over the place.
01:36:19.000I mean, they believe they get power from this.
01:37:03.000Washington, D.C., as we show in Volume 1, the New Atlantis was on the southernmost city, built on a line with each other.
01:37:16.000It was Washington, D.C., Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York City, Boston, all built on a ley line.
01:37:23.000And as you extend that line out over the Atlantic, the line goes right smack-dab through the middle of Stonehenge, which is, you know, a tremendous pagan black magic symbol.
01:37:37.000was not only the southernmost city on that ley line of the five cities, but she's also on a north-south meridian, on the 77th meridian, which is considered by a cult to be God's meridian.
01:38:39.000Denver, for example, is, you know, the occultists believe that Denver is sitting right on, you know, openings in the ground that go into the inner earth.
01:38:51.000And cultures believe that there is such a thing as an inner earth.
01:39:11.000They command our armies and our forces and all of our weapons.
01:39:17.000it's a force that is absolutely to be reckoned with and they know what they're doing now and they've certainly gotten power now earlier I was babbling I didn't get to the story because I moved on to something else but couple months ago Russian TV was here And I was explaining that capitals themselves are heaps, you know, they're breast, that obelisks are of course the male sexual organ.
01:39:43.000It's not, you know, some secret occult studies.
01:39:46.000That's what those are fashioned after.
01:39:48.000But I explained to them that it was, you know, goddess Diana That was on top of the tower, on top of the Capitol building here in Austin with the Lone Star in her hand.
01:40:02.000And the Russians, you know, were rolling their eyes.
01:40:06.000We get into the building and they put up some display about the goddess of the building and how she helps the building and the history of the goddess and how it's a temple.
01:40:16.000And the Russians had their mouths, one particular Russian lady, had her mouth hanging open.
01:40:23.000So, I mean, that was kind of fortuitous or a blessing that that happened.
01:40:27.000The goddess is prevalent in Washington, D.C.
01:40:32.000In fact, one author, who has now become a Freemason, David Oberson, has written a book about the Masonic secret architecture of Washington, and he says that all of Washington is about the goddess.
01:40:46.000Well, that's a half-truth, because what Washington is really about is the right-angled triangle.
01:40:54.000There's always the male and the female.
01:40:55.000There's always the goddess and then the horned stag.
01:40:58.000But see, they picture, in the layout of Government Center, they have two right-angled triangles.
01:41:07.000The larger Lawn Fawn triangle and the smaller Federal triangle.
01:41:11.000And according to their reinterpretation of the Pythagoras right-angled triangle, The Divine Child, the Masonic Christ, is produced by a mystical reunion between the male, which is the upright part of the right triangle, and the female, the Goddess, which is the horizontal.
01:41:35.000They mystically unite sexually, and the Divine Child is formed, and he is pictured by the hypotenuse.
01:41:44.000So, Pennsylvania is the hypotenuse of both the Federal Triangle and the Law and Bond Triangle.
01:41:52.000And so, in the street design of Washington... And then, of course, you have the Oval Office, that is, the ovaries, and then you've got all the obelisks, it's all coming together there at the White House, and then down at the bottom of the pentagram, you've got the Capitol.
01:42:07.000Yeah, well, not the pentagram, but the right angle triangle, right.
01:42:10.000Yeah, the Capitol is at the end of Pennsylvania Avenue.
01:42:14.000The White House is at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.
01:42:22.000And then, on the National Archives building, facing Pennsylvania Avenue, you know, Pennsylvania Avenue is the hypotenuse, which is the Divine Child.
01:43:11.000They've counted on the fact that as Americans, That as America rolled through its history, got further and further away from the Great Awakening revival of the late 1700s, that the people would become less and less aware of occult symbols and occult beliefs.
01:43:29.000Well, if you want to get into occult symbols, what about all the... I mean, once we get into this, we realize it's everywhere, though.
01:43:37.000Most of the churches have these male member steeples.
01:44:17.000And, you know, it's just permeating our society.
01:44:22.000What people need to understand is, and I go back to it, the foundation of America As far as the people's values are concerned, the cultural values, was based on Christian principles.
01:44:33.000But, the government itself was steeped in paganism, and it's the kind of paganism that the Bible foretells at the end of the age.
01:44:42.000And this is going to fulfill Bible prophecy when this is fully worked out.
01:44:45.000Now, from my research, about what, 60% of the Founding Fathers were Masons?
01:44:54.000Although, Manly P. Hall, Who is declared by masons to be the greatest modern mason ever.
01:45:05.000He said that 50 of the 55 signers of the Declaration of Independence were free masons.
01:45:12.000And we run into similar, you know, 50, 52, you know, But let's be clear though, a lot of them were porch masons, that is, they weren't at the highest levels worshipping the black dragon in the pit.
01:46:13.000And that lets the Invisible Lodge have false motives for mainline masons so they can also keep an eye in a secret brotherhood on many of the good and prominent men.
01:46:28.000It's an organization that is not only smoking mirrors, but it is It's as deceptive as you can imagine, and the people in the Visible Lodge are lied to all their lives.
01:46:41.000Guys can be a 33rd degree mason, have been a mason for 40 years, and not realize that everything they've been taught is a lie.
01:46:48.000And, you know, Albert Pike said in his book, Morals and Dogma, it is not necessary for members, for Freemasons to actually learn the meaning of the symbols, It's only necessary that they think they know the meaning of the symbol.
01:48:32.000Well, the bail is considered to be, you know, has become synonymous with the devil.
01:48:39.000But the corn, wine, and oil ceremony, which the Masons have, you know, used to dedicate, they dedicated the ground originally that the Capitol was built on, they built, they dedicated with corn, wine, and oil every single major building, you know, in the government center, all the way up through the The time of Franklin Roosevelt.
01:49:44.000We're going to come back and talk to George in Arizona and others.
01:49:47.000Got this segment, one other left, and we're going to get to all your calls.
01:49:49.000Coming up in the third hour, also got a special guest joining us, a bunch of audio clips.
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01:53:47.000Meanwhile, 15 soldiers detained by Iranian Navy and our government, the British, sent a man to have confrontations in their waters to grab Iranian ships And the Israelis are saying that embassies in Tehran are preparing escape plans.
01:54:03.000So it looks like they're trying to start it.
01:54:05.000I mean, this could happen any time, but we're seeing all the tell-tale signs.
01:56:20.000Well, I understand, but Egypt had its own construction mystery schools, then they went into captivity in Babylon, and then you got the Zohar, and all that later.
01:56:29.000But it didn't matter, the Babylonians, the Greeks, the Egyptians were all doing the same thing too.
01:56:56.000It looks like God moved His people west and ended up here in the New World, but also God moved the bad guys west.
01:57:06.000Uh, you know, Babylon, Assyria, Egypt, and then they went to Greece, and then they went to Rome, and then they went to Paris, and then they went to, you know, London, and then they went to, uh, what's that called?
01:59:20.000Okay, on the weekend, this is sort of a story of the microcosm of your US border with Mexico.
01:59:30.000Up here in Canada on the weekend, we went out for some St.
01:59:34.000Paddy's Day drinks, me and three fellas.
01:59:36.000We went to a local drinking establishment, and while we were in line, the doorman, with the black leather gloves on, stopped us, asking for a copy of a government ID that they were going to photocopy, and keep a copy of, while we were in their establishment.
01:59:52.000One of my friends, of the four of us, failed to have any ID with him.
01:59:58.000He apparently had left his wallet home.
02:00:00.000And instead of turning us all away, or turning him away, He said, the three of you are going to pay her $5 and get your ID photocopied and do the regular things that law-abiding citizens do.
02:00:15.000And the guy without any ID is going to walk in, he's not going to pay anything, and he's not going to have any ID noted of who he is.
02:00:23.000So he walked in, and we had our ID photographed, and I asked the lady why she was doing it.
02:00:27.000She said it was because they wanted to, in case something happened at the bar, they had a record of who was in there.
02:00:33.000And I just, I told her that I thought it was kind of funny.
02:00:35.000By the way, this is how the corporations are getting us ready for the National ID Card.
02:00:39.000Literally, IDing 85 year old, I don't want to exaggerate, I've seen them ID like 75, 80 year old women.
02:00:45.000I mean, women who can hardly walk, folks.
02:00:58.000I mean, folks, I try not to drink and I've totally quit even drinking that one glass of wine with Italian food, but we'll have friends coming over and I'll go buy some wine.
02:01:24.000I mean, I've been on vacation, decided to buy a cigar, and the old card.
02:01:28.000And I told the story, this is about three years ago, he since quit and works for another company.
02:01:33.000This old, uh, fellow I know, veteran, and well, he listens to the show.
02:01:38.000I'm walking in there one night, and there's an old lady, about 65, 70, and she's, uh, buying, uh, she's not an old lady, hell, I'm getting old now too, myself, you know what I mean, older.
02:01:47.000Buy a beer, 12 pack of Bud Light, and he said, ID please, and he swiped it, and I said, what are you doing?
02:01:54.000He goes, Alex, you're going to love this, and I told the story, he brought me around behind the counter, and he goes, look at this, I know if she's got any warrants or anything, and we're told to do this, you see that camera?
02:02:03.000That's hooked into Diamond Shamrock, it's now Valero, computer systems, and they're watching us, and I've got to do that with any beer or cigarette sales.
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02:05:57.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
02:06:02.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
02:06:09.000A muckraking indictment of the systematic disenfranchisement of African-American voters, the LA Times wrote, Winner of every major film festival you can think of.
02:06:54.000I mean, it's not just about the disenfranchisement of blacks, but it's a window.
02:06:59.000You can't, you know, focus on everything.
02:07:02.000The world's too big, but it's just amazing.
02:07:04.000And how they set up Cynthia McKinney and all the things that happened to her.
02:07:07.000I mean, she's a lady that'll get Rumsfeld in front of her and say, where are the trillions missing from the Pentagon?
02:07:12.000Why do you run giant child kidnapping rings?
02:07:14.000You know, why do you let DynCorp do that?
02:07:16.000And then the Governor of Illinois talked about it.
02:07:20.000She will bring up stuff that I mean, I think I would have the nerve, but I frankly have this, the hair on the back of my neck stands up to think about sitting in Congress with General Myers, then Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, definitely involved in 9-11, Rumsfeld and others, and saying, you're working with child kidnappers.
02:08:10.000Run through just kind of an overview, you know, hitting the key points of why you decided to make the film, how this progressed, you know, in the middle of it, just documenting it as it happened, and what really happened to Cynthia McKinney and why she's been targeted more than any other congressperson that I've seen in recent history by the Bush crime syndicate.
02:08:34.000Well, you know, at the Guerrilla News Network, like yourselves here at InfoWars, we try to cover stories that we feel the mainstream media doesn't properly cover.
02:08:43.000And so, back in 2002-2003, we started to write a book called True Lies, where we were looking at different stories, including certain elements of 9-11, how we treat our soldiers with the anthrax vaccine, electronic voting machines, And one story in particular that I was watching was what was happening to this Congresswoman down in Georgia.
02:09:04.000And at the time, you know, Cynthia McKinney had started to raise some issues, and she started to vote for a Palestinian state, and she had a lot of enemies.
02:09:13.000She started to build a lot of enemies.
02:09:14.000She had been in Congress for 10 years, actually, at that point.
02:09:19.000And they mounted a very large campaign to get her out.
02:09:22.000Um, in the state of Georgia, and they were successful.
02:09:25.000And, um, why I was looking at her story was because this was at the time period after 9-11, but before the war in Iraq, where the Bush administration really was taking to task anybody that raised, um, these types of questions, or questioned what they were doing.
02:09:39.000Um, and Cynthia McKinney, like you said, is somebody that fearlessly, um, kind of has gone out in front and raised these questions before anybody else, and really put herself out in the media and in the public Um, to take those first arrows, you know, and so, um, she was somebody that I really wanted to profile and to get to know and to learn more about her story because I felt it was this important time where here was this one single congressperson that was willing to raise these questions while the mainstream media was nowhere to be found.
02:10:06.000Um, so, as I started to meet her and follow her, um, I really, you know, there were a couple key issues that kept on coming up.
02:10:16.000She had followed a lot of the same stories including, you know, electronic voting machines and certain vaccines that are run by government contractors which make our soldiers sick.
02:10:27.000We forget she questioned the official 9-11 story and said it was a cover-up.
02:10:53.000And so, as I was following her, though, one thing really came clear, and that is how important the vote is, and how they're able to silence her and this important voice of dissent by controlling the voting system.
02:11:09.000Yeah, 12% of the country is black, and that is a key swing vote.
02:11:16.000While they're only 12%, 90% of them vote typically for a Democratic candidate.
02:11:21.000So it very much affects the Democrat races.
02:11:25.000So if they're able to manipulate it like they do in her case in the primary, they can actually control which Democratic candidates get into office as well.
02:11:34.000So I continued to follow her and I wanted to tell the story of what happened back in the 2000 election and then what, as I was following her, then happened again in Ohio.
02:11:46.000And for most people that don't know these stories, but may have heard of them before, back in 2000 in Florida, how the state of Florida was won by the Bush administration was that they essentially removed about 90,000 voters from the voter rolls in Florida.
02:12:03.000That state was again won by 537 votes.
02:12:07.000And so, if you consider that you're going to remove 90,000 names from the list, and probably prevent at least a couple thousand of those people from voting on Election Day, you probably have the differential for how Bush won that state.
02:12:21.000So again, by controlling and targeting black voters in key swing states, where the political strategists have determined that the races, particularly presidential races, are going to come down to, because remember, because of the Electoral College, The political strategist can calculate down to almost the precinct where the presidential election will take place.
02:12:42.000And that's why what Blackwell did in Ohio is so key and now it's come out in court and been admitted and people have been arrested for organized election fraud, blocking voters, predominantly blacks.
02:12:53.000That's absolutely right, and that's why you saw Ken Blackwell overwhelmingly get defeated in Ohio.
02:13:01.000Now, I don't like Skull and Bones Kerry, and of course he was a ringer too, because you can't just stage it at the state or electoral level.
02:13:10.000You've also got to have the candidate, once he's been robbed, take a dive.
02:13:16.000But clearly, Al Gore won in 2000, John Kerry won in 2004, George Bush is literally installed like a dictator and then trying to physically be one.
02:13:54.000Yeah, so we released the film at the Sundance Film Festival in 2008.
02:13:57.000And let's be clear, you've been following her around everywhere.
02:14:00.000I mean, I saw her, I was there to interview her at the Project Centered Awards, and I was getting second place.
02:14:06.000And there was Cynthia McKinney, the keynote speaker, I'd already interviewed her before, but I mean, you're constantly covering her, go ahead.
02:14:12.000That's right, yeah, I followed her around the country for about two and a half years.
02:14:15.000Um, as she was in office, then out of office on the anti-war circuit and 9-11 truth movement circuit, um, and then as she came back in office and won in 2004.
02:14:24.000Um, and then so as we made the film and released it then in early 2006, we were gaining a lot of momentum.
02:14:31.000Um, the film placed at the Sundance Film Festival with a jury prize.
02:14:36.000There were a number of networks and theatrical distributors interested in taking the film out and really exposing this issue to a larger scale.
02:14:44.000And we continue to gain momentum at additional film festivals throughout the beginning of 2006.
02:14:50.000But then one day, I got this call in March, where somebody from Cynthia McKinney's office called me and said, Ian, you know, something's happened to Cynthia.
02:14:59.000They're saying that she's hit this police officer.
02:15:31.000I mean, you know, so what they claim is that, you know, she hit this police officer as he was attempting to check her ID, walking her way into Congress.
02:15:39.000And, you know, what she had told me is like, look, this happens to me once a month, at least, that they harass her.
02:15:45.000And so I went to Capitol Hill because once that event happened, it really affected our ability to put this film out.
02:15:51.000The major broadcasters pulled back their offers, the theatrical distributors also pulled back, and we were left on our own.
02:15:57.000Yeah, it was a massive demonization campaign.
02:16:00.000And so she was plastered, once again, all over the news media as being this racist, anti-Semitic, crazy black woman, you know, who doesn't know what she's talking about.
02:16:10.000And I've been around her and interviewed her many times.
02:16:15.000She's a very well-studied, hard-working individual.
02:16:19.000And so, um, I went to Capitol Hill, though, to try to find out what the real story is, and I got actually four black police officers who were willing to talk to me, um, and that is actually on the DVD, so people can actually see that as a DVD extra if they get in.
02:16:35.000And what they paint is a much different picture.
02:16:39.000What they tell is a story where there's a standing class action lawsuit between the Black Police Officers Association and the rest of the general police officer organization on Capitol Hill, where they claim that they've been harassed and racially harassed for a number of years and that unequally treated.
02:16:57.000And Cynthia McKinney was one of the only Congress people to stand up and sign their petition and actually ask for a few resignations in cases where there was an explicit use of racialized language.
02:17:13.000So you've got the retribution right there.
02:17:15.000She was sticking up for the black police officers.
02:17:17.000She had called for the resignation of the general counsel of the police officers force.
02:17:23.000And of course, you never heard that in the media.
02:17:25.000It was just this crazy, wild-haired, that's what they were saying, black woman in little racial terms about what her eyes look like and all this stuff, and ha ha ha ha ha, and isn't she nuts, and all of it was acceptable, just out of the blue, crazy black woman.
02:17:42.000But in truth, she was standing up to him.
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02:22:24.000We've got Cynthia McKinney on with us and the director, Ian Obama, of American Blackout, an unbelievable film, winner of the jury prize of the 2006 Sundance Film Festival.
02:22:35.000The establishment was scared this was going to hit theaters.
02:22:38.000And they used the police union that she'd already exposed as involved in a lot of problems to come after her, harass her.
02:23:01.000Congresswoman, this is a short segment right now.
02:23:03.000Can you just, in a nutshell, explain the succession of dirty tricks?
02:23:08.000Well, I guess you could say, well, the dirty trick started from the day I was sworn in, but if we just go to the year 2006, in January I had an encounter with the Capitol Hill Police and what they did was they had a special training session where they passed my photograph around to all of the Capitol Hill police officers within the Capitol complex and said, know her face.
02:23:33.000Because Capitol Hill police officers are required to know the faces of all 535 members of Congress.
02:23:39.000Then in February, when it happened again, they posted my photograph around at the stations.
02:23:48.000Now let's be clear, let's be clear, it happened again, them stopping you, grabbing on you?
02:23:55.000Well, there was no physical contact in the first two instances.
02:24:00.000And that's, you know, but then in the third time it happened, this particular officer was particularly aggressive.
02:24:09.000In addition to the fact that he totally failed to secure the building, which was his secondary responsibility, aside from recognizing me, and all I'm doing is going to work.
02:24:23.000And then, of course, there was the physical contact, which was totally uncalled for, for someone who had failed to do their job.
02:24:31.000But at any rate, the bottom line is that this had been a form of harassment, but it never, ever crossed my mind that there was a possibility that there was retribution being sought for some actions that I had done previously.
02:24:47.000And it was then, through the work of Guerrilla News Network and Ian, That, um, when he spoke to black Capitol Hill police officers, they exposed the rest of the story.
02:25:00.000And that rest of the story is on the American Blackout DVD.
02:25:05.000Now, for those that don't get to film, everybody should have us show it to everybody.
02:25:09.000Explain what the black officers revealed.
02:25:12.000Well, Ian, why don't you talk about your experience in getting with them.
02:25:16.000Well, you know, first of all, it took a long time to build the trust of the police officers to get them to speak on camera.
02:25:23.000But once we did, they revealed a story where, because Cynthia had stood up for their interests, they really believed that she had been repeatedly targeted by the white officers.
02:25:35.000Um, that there was this kind of running joke that, oh, here she comes up the stairs, I'm gonna stop her, I'm gonna stop her, and that they were specifically harassing her more so than even the other black members, who in general, they say, are harassed more than the white members.
02:25:50.000Well, this is literally like a Pretorian guard who would routinely just become the Caesars themselves.
02:25:57.000I mean, Bush is already, with his control of the surrounding federal police, I know Congress controls the others, you know, there's a backfire in the garage, so they shut half of D.C.
02:26:06.000down, and I've seen congressmen, these are white congressmen on TV doing an interview, and they run up with machine guns and say, get out of here, and start shoving them!
02:26:13.000That is, listen, Congress is the boss, because they work for the people!
02:26:17.000Congresswoman, former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney comments?
02:26:20.000Well, I mean, you know, Alex, you have a knack of saying it exactly the way it needs to be said, and there's nothing more that can be said.
02:26:29.000But the bottom line is, you're absolutely right.
02:26:32.000These people are employed by the public to protect the members of Congress, to protect the Congress, to protect the public.
02:26:41.000And unfortunately, after my incident, I heard from Tons of people around the country who also had tales to tell of what they considered to be improper treatment at the hands of the Capitol Hill Police.
02:26:58.000But Alex, if you also look at the differential between right after McKinney's incident with that incident with Congressman Kennedy, you know, where he was driving, you know, under, inebriated, right, and got into an accident.
02:27:11.000How many, did he run into like ten cars or something?
02:27:13.000Well, he ran into the, actually, the barricade that they're protecting the congressional bill with.
02:27:18.000He was whisked away while McKinney was pressed charges and sent to a grand jury.
02:27:23.000Yeah, but it was also in the press, wasn't it?
02:27:24.000He also careened into cars as he was just like, Yes, yes.
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02:31:18.000It's like a whole other film on what happened to Cynthia McKinney.
02:31:21.000Congresswoman, you were trying to finish up a statement about The congressman driving around smashing into barricades and cars and driving around half-passed out and they covered all that up and then with you, if I've got this story correct, because they first claimed they had video of it and they admitted they didn't, was it they grabbed on you, you just pulled your hand back and that was called, you know, a Tyrannosaurus attack that you'd launched.
02:31:45.000Well, of course, I think it's really clear that what happened was The political hound got involved in something that unfortunately was a normal occurrence for me now.
02:31:59.000It wasn't quite so normal that I would have my physical person attacked in such a way by uh... a capitol hill police officer but that this routine kind of you know subtle you know uh... we're going to pick on her kind of thing.
02:32:21.000But let's make it clear now we've got members of capitol hill police that are able to cause controversies to get people kicked out of congress.
02:32:27.000Maybe we should just have them all move into the seats and be our kings.
02:32:31.000We can give them little crowns to wear.
02:32:33.000Well I mean you know I think what happened in my case With the involvement of the Fraternal Order of Police was totally unprecedented.
02:32:51.000And that's why I was at the Pentagon on, oh gosh, it was the coldest day of my life out there with the wind blowing.
02:32:58.000And it was my birthday, but it was necessary.
02:33:01.000Well, they really tried to demonize you all over the country for simply talking about the traitorous treason that's been engaged in by this government.
02:33:08.000Who could deny how treacherous and traitorous this administration is?
02:33:12.000I don't think anyone could, but one of the things that I think it's important to know, and that is It's important that you and I have this discussion and that I have the opportunity to present myself to your audience because the last thing that the powers that be want is for the The people of all backgrounds, all ethnicities, races, religions, to come together.
02:33:42.000Things have gotten so bad, we don't have anyone who will speak to the people's interest, and so now all of us are throwing off all of those superficial divisions that they Typically used to divide us.
02:33:57.000Now that we're throwing those off and we're all coming together.
02:34:01.000Well, all the polls, Congresswoman, you're right.
02:34:03.000All the polls show that because, I mean, both parties have like a 14% approval rating.
02:34:10.000Both parties have been exposed as working for the big central banks and private interest.
02:34:14.000I mean, it's all starting to come out and the left-right paradigm is shattered.
02:34:18.000Do you think the establishment is worried?
02:34:23.000Because it is clear now when the American people go to the polls and vote with one expectation that there will be a sea change in public policy.
02:34:35.000And they don't get that sea change in public policy.
02:34:38.000Why is the Democratic majority not repealing the Military Tribunals Act, the Secret Evidence Act, the Patriot Act?
02:34:45.000Why are these things not being repealed?
02:34:48.000Why is it that they are not protecting posse comitatus so that we don't get that militarized state that We are slowly creeping into... Well, Bush said he wanted a dictatorship, and it looks like the Democrats want to damage Bush, but basically take the new powers that he's unjustly secreted into the executive branch.
02:35:07.000Anytime Ian wants to pop in, he's welcome to the Director of American Blackout that we offer at InfoWars.com.
02:35:13.000But Congresswoman, Part 2, it looked like they weren't going to be able to shoot you down Because it came out that indeed you'd been grabbed on and you didn't hit anybody, and that it was all lies, but the Capitol Police put out the story, they had a video, when they knew they didn't, they were just lying, but knowing people would hear that, then they didn't stop there, then they started claiming that you'd been heard saying all these things, and they were taking stuff out of context, and secretly recording, and all this stuff.
02:35:38.000I mean, break down the black op that you went through.
02:35:42.000Well, you know, now, the secret recordings, you know, I don't know.
02:35:47.000All I know is that I have been apologized to so many times by the leadership of the Capitol Hill Police Department that at one point or another we have to begin to question the leadership because they apparently can't even get the hiring process right, that they can hire people who respect due process, who respect the members of Congress, and who respect the public.
02:36:13.000What I'm saying is, Part 2 though, they weren't done attacking you, then they tried to claim some big controversy out of nothing about something you supposedly said.
02:36:22.000You gotta refresh my memory, I don't remember that, I've been through so much.
02:36:27.000You remember all the stuff with the police bodyguards and all that later?
02:36:34.000Oh, that was, um, well, you know, I don't really know the whole story behind that because that was something that took place with people who are very close to me.
02:36:47.000But apparently the FOP had their, what do you call those people?
02:37:03.000And I know that because I have many former police officers who were there, former Atlanta police officers.
02:37:16.000And they told me that, you know, they pointed out that among the media were these FOP provocateurs.
02:37:25.000Oh, believe me Alex, it was often interesting that then the FOP, you know, gave money to her opponent, you know, to fund his campaign against McCain.
02:37:35.000But be clear about what the FOP means and some of the details of what happened.
02:37:39.000Well, that's the Fraternal Order of Police who, you know, essentially was responsible for bringing the charges and sending her to the grand jury.
02:37:47.000So, another interesting fact about this case was, you know, so once we discovered what these other black police officers, the alternative story, the actual, the real story of how this all came about, we tried to release this to the mainstream media.
02:38:01.000This was just in the lead up to her primary, and actually also then in between her primary and her runoff election, which they forced her into in 2006.
02:38:12.000Well, actually, go ahead Ian, but then I want to say that they didn't We're in court over that election and there are a whole lot of anomalies there, but go ahead.
02:38:21.000Right, so we tried to release this to allow the mainstream press to actually cover this alternative version of the story, since the mainstream media had put her face about this crazy black woman slapping this police officer all over the country.
02:38:35.000And we couldn't get a single mainstream media outlet to, even though we had documented this on video, we supplied them with it, even the AP reporter from down in The AP reporter said, you know, as long as I can validate your sources, then I will cover this story.
02:38:52.000So I jumped through a number of hoops, got these black police officers to call in from an undisclosed location where they were morphing their voices with an untraced number.
02:39:02.000So that they could talk to this reporter.
02:39:04.000We talked to her for 45 minutes on the phone.
02:39:06.000They validated who they were, and what they knew, and how this all came about.
02:39:10.000And she said she was going to go write the story.
02:39:15.000She claimed that her editor would not allow her to, because it would actually affect, they felt it would affect her race, and that it would actually benefit McKinney.
02:39:23.000It's okay to do something if it hurts her, but I've had Reuters and AP reporters tell me all the time, look, we know we're controlled, we have people above us.
02:39:31.000You know, with Reuters it goes to London, with AP it goes to New York or other places.
02:39:36.000Congresswoman, they've shot you down a couple times, but you've always bounced right back up.
02:39:40.000Are you going to run again for Congress?
02:39:42.000Well, we're assessing that right now, and the situation is in court.
02:39:47.000We are about to put a huge number of documents up on our website.
02:39:51.000www.allthingscynthiamckinney.com and we invite people to stay tuned because we not only had the voting machine cards on sale for my district on sale at eBay, we've got legal affidavits from voters all over metropolitan Atlanta who are not in the 4th District but who had the 4th District show up on their computer screens and so they voted in the 4th District.
02:40:21.000So we don't know who voted, and we don't know whether or not... It's all designed to do that, and that's why these people are so arrogant.
02:40:30.000But I see, again, the establishment, even though they can steal a lot of elections, they're not as arrogant as they once were, because the jig is up, the people are aware of the trick, they know what's going on, all things cindyandmckinney.com.
02:40:42.000We'll get links to that up on infowars.com and prisonplanet.com.
02:40:45.000Congresswoman, I know you've got to leave here in just a minute or two.
02:40:48.000Any closing comments or key points folks should know.
02:40:51.000Well, I think what Ian has said about taking the truth to the media and then them refusing to print the truth is a very, very important aspect of why you are so important.
02:41:06.000We have got to rely on the truth-tellers now Who are the true revolutionaries and the true patriots, because the corporate-controlled media refuse to tell us the truth, and we have to have the truth.
02:41:19.000So I just want to thank you for doing what you do every day, and I know it's not easy, but thank you for being there so we have the opportunity to tell the people the truth.
02:41:30.000Congresswoman, thank you so much for our listeners in Georgia.
02:41:34.000I hope in a year you gear back up to runner.
02:41:36.000When would that election be coming up?
02:41:38.000Well, um, 2008 of course, um, and um...
02:41:44.000Well, I've got lots of announcements that I've got lurking in the back of my mind.
02:41:48.000Well, what I love is, I've never seen anybody stand up to them about the child kidnapping rings, the deadly vaccines, the trillions missing from the Pentagon.
02:41:55.000And you kept bringing that up every year, and Rumsfeld didn't look like the Emperor or the Lord of the Sith anymore.
02:42:03.000You've got a lot of courage to stand up against those guys, because you know they're wicked.
02:42:07.000Just in closing, why don't you tell folks about what it's like to be in the room with them as you bring up the trillions that have been stolen.
02:42:15.000I mean, it's pure evil, but I mean, I was bipartisan because we did the same thing with Madeleine Albright, we did the same thing with Colin Powell, and so, I mean, you know, I just relished the opportunity to do the same thing with Condoleezza Rice.
02:42:31.000Well, I may not have that opportunity now, But we will continue to do what we do for the people, for the truth, and I just ask the listeners to stay tuned to 2008.
02:42:43.000Congresswoman, we hope to have you back up in the near future as you fight again, and we certainly hope you'll run, and we certainly hope that you and Ron Paul both stay in Congress, and we certainly hope he wins for President.
02:42:54.000Take care, and we'll talk to you soon.
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