Alex Jones is joined by Jim Mars, E. Howard Hunt, and David Ray Griffin to discuss the latest in the JFK assassination conspiracy theory, and the growing evidence that the CIA was behind the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
00:00:37.000We're going to be live here for the next three hours.
00:00:40.000Coming up, we're going to have a little five-minute update from Reverend Ted Pike on the state of the First Amendment killing hate bill that's in the House and the Senate right now.
00:00:52.000Then we're going to be joined by Jim Mars, who is one of the preeminent experts on the JFK government-sponsored assassination 43 and a half years ago.
00:01:03.000He'll be joining us to go over all the latest developments with E. Howard Hunt, who he's always fingered as being involved.
00:01:11.000Now his son going public with the written pages and the tape of E. Howard Hunt talking about being involved in the operation under the command of LBJ to kill John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
00:01:23.000Then in the third hour, we're going to be joined by the author of Debunking 9-11 Debunkers.
00:01:32.000The one, the only individual who has gotten a lot of respect in mainstream circles because he's such a respected academic, and that's David Ray Griffin.
00:01:54.000I got on Hannity and Combs last night.
00:01:56.000I've never seen Combs acting more as Newshounds called it properly, brutish, really under the fox heat, calling us all sorts of names and trying to spin what was really said by Kerry a few weeks ago here in Austin, Texas.
00:02:49.000Only Ron Paul can defeat Hillary Clinton.
00:02:53.000The Republican camp is completely discredited and hated by conservatives in the country, and libertarians, and of course, mainline progressives and liberals.
00:03:03.000But everybody across the political spectrum respects Ron Paul.
00:03:09.000I don't have to tell you, the listeners, that.
00:03:11.000But still a lot of mainline conservatives haven't woken up to this fact completely, that everybody else is a dead duck, which is exactly what the RNC wants.
00:03:44.000We are in a deadly crisis with Fox News on one side, the Clintons on the other, in a vicious, treacherous, pincer attack against the American people.
00:04:04.000Now, it'll be too late, probably, but by the time conservatives can actually believe this, by the time they finally figure out they've been betrayed, and that they've been manipulated and played, and it happens to the best of us, by the time you wake up to this incredibly complex treachery, it may just be too late, ladies and gentlemen.
00:04:23.000I don't like being played, and I was played, you know, 15 years ago as being a little Republican, but I woke up to that 12, 13 years ago.
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00:08:27.000Watch and wait, get ready for the sign There are many here among us now
00:08:53.000Who have not seen the light when I sing The word to all the people in the land Go to every hill and mountain For the time is not at hand So light up fire Light up fire Light up fire
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00:09:38.000There is so much news to cover here again, ladies and gentlemen.
00:09:49.000I am going to be having, well coming up in the second hour we're going to have Jim Meyers spawn talking about all the big new developments concerning the JFK assassination.
00:10:00.000Remember last week and the week before that the news came out, in fact it was just a week ago, about a week and a half ago and we've already pretty much forgotten and glazed over it, that the son of E. Howard Hunt released the audio tape and the handwritten pages and did a valiant interview.
00:10:29.000The son of E. Howard Hunt, the CIA Section Chief Black Op Commander who overthrew multiple nations from Guatemala to the failed Bay of Pigs to what happened with the Watergate burglars.
00:10:45.000One of the head honchos on the Kennedy assassination, and there it is, publicly admitted, fits in with all of our decades of research, and we've kind of just glazed over it now.
00:10:56.000The mainstream media wouldn't touch it.
00:11:00.000The cover of the Rolling Stone a month ago did mention the written pages and kind of obliquely covered it from a side angle, but still poo-pooed certain areas.
00:11:13.000Kind of attempted in a half-hearted, uh, anemic way to discredit it, but they couldn't.
00:11:21.000But nothing on 60 Minutes, nothing on CNN, nothing on History Channel, nothing anywhere, ladies and gentlemen, only small pockets of alternative talk radio and the growing Internet.
00:11:51.000And then David Ray Griffin in the third hour will have a brief update coming up here in about 20 minutes from Ted Pike on where the free speech attacking, destroying, annihilating, decimating, Legislation is on the hate crimes, and I know every few months we talk about this, sometimes even every few weeks, because they're constantly assaulting us.
00:12:12.000They count on us to finally just give up.
00:12:16.000On the microchipping, on the open borders, on the gun control, on the Ritalin and Prozacing of our population, we have to say, no, we're not going to give up.
00:12:27.000In fact, we're only going to intensify, and we're never going to stop.
00:12:54.000Let me go ahead and get into this Ron Paul news.
00:12:56.000I know we've been leading the broadcast almost every day now with Ron Paul.
00:13:00.000And that's because In 1993, it was a staged event.
00:13:08.000Really, what you had was Ross Perot, who'd made billions off of government contracts, who I don't trust two inches, and that's a whole area of discussion.
00:13:21.000I mean, in 1992-93, I supported Ross Perot.
00:13:27.000I supported Ross Perot right as I was getting out of high school into college.
00:13:34.000And I supported him, and then later I found out that he'd been in business with the Clintons, and I found out that all he was doing was attacking George Bush Sr., and that at a larger level, George Bush Sr.
00:13:47.000was well aware of the whole thing, and it was nothing but a dog-and-pony show to ensure that he sucked enough conservative votes Uh, that Bill Clinton got into office, not because it even mattered.
00:14:17.000When they pull one quarterback or one running back or one linebacker or one nose guard out of the game or one tackle, when they pull them out of the game and they send in somebody fresh, when they send in a fresh player, that's not a new team, ladies and gentlemen.
00:14:40.000And as soon as the public realizes this, we can set about saving this country.
00:14:46.000Now, the public has picked up on this to a certain degree now, and they know that they basically ran a corpse, Bob Dole, against Bill Clinton in 96, and he never really ran.
00:15:10.000They ran Mr. New World Order, Mr. Global Tax, Mr. Man May Global Warming against Mr. Skull and Bones from Kenny Budport, Maine.
00:15:23.000And, of course, the people didn't vote the way they wanted them to in handing the baton.
00:15:30.000And so Al Gore properly conceded And then in 2004, they had another show election with John F. Kerry.
00:15:40.000And again, you can't just steal elections in Ohio and New Mexico and many other areas.
00:15:45.000You have to also have the boxer take a dive.
00:15:49.000And again, most of you now know that Don King sponsored boxing has a good chance of being staged.
00:15:56.000And most of you know that there's a lot of chicanery.
00:15:59.000and skullduggery going on in horse racing.
00:16:03.000A lot of drugging and a lot of people holding horses back and a lot of, you know, fifty million dollar a piece bets riding with Arab sheiks and royalty there.
00:16:13.000All betting, in some cases again, it's been reported some bets have been over fifty mil.
00:16:20.000And when something's that big, you can bet there's going to be chicanery involved.
00:16:24.000And it's come out with the rigging of baseball and manipulation of football.
00:16:29.000Only in key plays on key games, ladies and gentlemen, with key players.
00:16:35.000Well, I assure you that all the rigging in the world has nothing on politics.
00:16:41.000Remember in Taiwan when the leader was about to get kicked out so he staged a shooting of himself?
00:16:47.000It was headline news but didn't become a big part of the news cycle.
00:16:51.000I mean, they do all sorts of stuff, is the point I'm trying to make here.
00:16:56.000And we can forensically track what they're doing and learn what they're doing and understand how they're stealing elections, how they're manipulating the public mind.
00:17:08.000And there's no doubt that Ron Paul is the real deal.
00:17:12.000There's no doubt that in my lifetime, nothing this real has come along.
00:17:17.000I mean, you could say that Ronald Reagan was an actor, and he was controlled by globalists, but he was his own man, and he really did want to cut taxes, and he was certainly handled.
00:17:33.000And we know that he said horrible things, which were true, about George Herbert Walker Bush.
00:17:38.000It's been in the news, but we've had big heavyweight Republicans on here who heard it said, who saw the speeches and saw what happened at the 1980 convention, where Bush Sr. in 1976 and then again in 1980 had wanted to where Bush Sr. in 1976 and then again in 1980 had wanted to run, but he hadn't He finally did in 1980.
00:17:59.000And in 1979, Reagan went all over Florida and Texas and New York and California, saying he's a CFR, trilateralist, Rockefeller, elitist.
00:18:11.000Because back then the Republican Party grassroots was totally Barry Goldwater, totally anti-New World War or John Birch Society.
00:18:19.000And Reagan went around and then they told Reagan, you're not going to get this nomination unless you put as VP H.W.B.
00:19:23.000He should be the nominee, and he would beat Hillary Clinton.
00:19:28.000We are seeing something phenomenal happen here, ladies and gentlemen.
00:19:33.000And that's why I get mad at people who have bad attitudes and say this can't happen.
00:19:37.000I know they've got election fraud in place.
00:19:39.000I know that there is... It's very hard for him to win, but you know what?
00:19:43.000People do win in sudden death over time.
00:19:47.000And believe me, folks, we need a Hail Mary right now.
00:19:50.000I think this is God giving us a chance for a reprieve.
00:19:54.000Ron Paul... Well, we'll detail it for one more segment on the other side, then get into all the other news and play some clips.
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00:25:54.000I'm right where God wants me to be, ladies and gentlemen.
00:25:57.000Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate to carry a message that resonates with the American people.
00:26:05.000His thoroughbred anti-war and anti-big government stance But the establishment press have done their level best to keep Paul in the shadows while lying and claiming that every participant featured in this week's debate was pro-war.
00:26:22.000Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate to have voted against the Iraq War.
00:26:27.000Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate who will not seek to lead the United States into a military confrontation with Iran, something also that Democrats Obama, Clinton, and Edwards have all vowed to keep on the table.
00:26:41.000That's right, if it gets out to the Democrats that there's a Republican who's actually anti-war and who's always voted against it, It's over, folks, because there's masses of on-the-fence conservatives and Reagan Republicans who are totally against this war.
00:26:56.000Over 70% of the country in Gallup poll is now against it, and growing.
00:27:39.000I talked to him off air and he said, yeah, most of the money they've gotten is from this show.
00:27:43.000And whereas on one side of me I'm proud of that, on the other side I'm upset because six hundred and something thousand is chicken feed for a presidential campaign.
00:27:54.000But even with only that much money, which is still good for no national coverage, And I would imagine now with the debates in the last three or four weeks, I need to get back in touch with the Congressman.
00:28:04.000We're working on, he's got all new staff, on jumping through all those hoops and getting the Congressman on.
00:28:13.000But it is, it is, and again, I'm so busy making films and things, I can't dress up in a tuxedo.
00:28:20.000I'm not even going to go to that fundraiser they're having here in Austin in a few weeks.
00:28:27.000It is just so important that we support the congressman.
00:28:34.000Continuing, Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate who is not compromised, while the likes of Giuliani and Romney have more skeletons in their closets than a fancy dress boutique.
00:28:46.000He holds true conservative values, unlike the vehemently pro-abortion Giuliani and Romney.
00:28:55.000Ron Paul is the only candidate, period, who has promised to abolish the IRS and end the fraudulent fiat-based money system that is crippling America's economy while lining the pockets of the ultra-rich.
00:29:08.000Every other Republican candidate besides Ron Paul stands no chance of coming out on top if they go up against Hillary Clinton for the 2008 presidency.
00:29:17.000This is a message particularly directed at people who consider themselves conservatives despite voting for George W. Bush On two occasions, get behind Ron Paul or Hillary Clinton is guaranteed to be the next President of the United States.
00:29:32.000For all the reasons mentioned above, we are witnessing a clear agenda to marginalize and discredit Ron Paul on behalf of the corporate media, while burying the fact that he won last Thursday's debate hands down.
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00:37:39.000Alright, thank you for holding while I introduce that.
00:37:47.000And he is the watchman on the wall ringing the alarm bells on those that would ban free speech in America, as they've done in many areas of Europe and now Canada.
00:37:57.000Christians are being arrested for praying on sidewalks in the United States.
00:38:01.000Pastor Ted Pike, thank you for coming on.
00:38:05.000Just in a nutshell, tell us where the legislation is and what it will do.
00:38:09.000Some people are reading some of the flowery language in it and not reading the key hooks that are in it, and they're claiming that, oh, it isn't as bad as Ted Pike says.
00:38:18.000Oh, no, the bill is actually worse than I have been saying over the past few months.
00:38:22.000I've been researching especially the original law that was passed in 1969.
00:38:28.000You see, the present federal hate bill that's now before the Senate is actually a series of amendments to hate crimes legislation passed in 1969 at the height of the civil rights movement.
00:38:39.000And at that time, this legislation was designed to protect blacks from what's called verbal intimidation, in which, let's say, southern rednecks would persuade less than educated blacks that they weren't smart enough or weren't clean enough or weren't whatever to sit at the same lunch southern rednecks would persuade less than educated blacks that they weren't smart enough or weren't clean enough or weren't whatever to sit at the same lunch counter or ride on the same bus or go
00:39:05.000So this anti-intimidation or anti-hate bill of 1969 is really the foundation for the modern hate bill.
00:39:12.000Now, if we fast forward to 2007, what's happened is that the homosexuals and the ADL have inserted in that place of violence.
00:39:21.000of language meant to protect blacks from intimidation.
00:39:24.000They've inserted homosexuals, transvestites, transgenders, and so on.
00:39:29.000So now it becomes a hate crime under this legislation, which is now before the U.S. Senate, to verbally intimidate, quote-unquote intimidate, and nobody knows exactly what that means.
00:39:41.000This was designed for an Alabama or Georgia or Oklahoma or wherever, with the Klan coming up and saying to black folks, you know, we're going to kill you if you vote.
00:39:52.000That's totally different than Christians kneeling and praying on a street corner saying that this is biblically wrong what you're doing, dancing around naked in the streets at an outfest.
00:40:03.000Not only that, but the original civil rights law in 1969 says it's also a hate crime, a federal hate crime, to aid and abet anyone who wants to or attempts to verbally intimidate these members of the federal republic.
00:40:20.000And they pass the same stuff in England.
00:40:22.000In England, BBC headline, hundreds arrested in overnight hate raid.
00:40:26.000And I thought, oh boy, were they killing people?
00:40:28.000And I read into the article a few years ago and it said they were heard on street corners.
00:40:33.000Or they were in restaurants, and they pay them to sit there eating in lavish restaurants, police listening to what you say.
00:40:39.000Folks, this is the Soviet Union, and now they're saying, oh, we're going to arrest you if you don't say global warming's real.
00:40:44.000We're going to arrest you if you say the UN's bad.
00:40:52.000You're not allowed to use that term in any connotation But for Jews in World War II, now they want Lou Dobbs fired, because he said the open border crowd lies like Nazi propaganda.
00:41:10.000And what this legislation does is it really puts a chill on free speech, especially for two categories of people.
00:41:17.000That's talk show hosts and pastors or ministers from a pulpit.
00:41:21.000Because, you see, if they Let's say you put me on and I intimidate homosexuals from thinking, well, you know, maybe since I have AIDS or I have hepatitis, I'm talking about the homosexuals, maybe that intimidates me from feeling that I as a homosexual can be hired as a counselor at a summer camp, or a P.E.
00:41:45.000coach, or a food handler, or even a pastor in a congregation.
00:41:51.000If I'm a homosexual and I hear Ted Pike saying that on the radio, and Alex Jones aids and abets me by putting me on the radio, according to this hate bill which is now before the Senate, both of us would be standing in the docket indicted for a hate crime.
00:42:22.000And folks, even if you disagree with Ted Pike's views or you disagree with people's views on homosexuality, the point is you better support free speech because this is aimed at everyone's free speech in this country.
00:42:36.000It's on so many fronts that they want to restrict free speech.
00:42:41.000They desperately need to do this, and going back to the Fairness Doctrine that they didn't get rid of until 87, there was no real talk radio in this country because you had to give equal time, you couldn't criticize a group, you look at the campaign finance reform that Bush signed in 2002, the McCain-Feingold bill, and what does it do?
00:43:06.000It says for six weeks before an election, I can't have Ted Pike, I can't have Gun Owners of America, any group that's lobbying politically.
00:43:16.000and everyone ignored that though it is law now but everyone universally ignored it so it is that they're unable to enforce it but they claim and they tried to tell host no you can't everything is about stopping free speech isn't it reverend the yes it is now this legislation as i said is is ready to go if it if it is passed into law and in a very dramatic voter last thursday the house of representatives did overwhelmingly passed this legislation
00:43:43.000Now, I'm getting emails saying that it doesn't exist and that it didn't pass and that everything's okay.
00:43:54.000Now, fortunately, the President, as a result of a massive amount of pressure from the New Right and Far Right and so on, I did intervene last Thursday.
00:44:04.000He sent a message to Congress that if they did pass the hate bill in both the House and Senate, his top advisors are advising him to veto it.
00:44:43.000Haven't they in the past mainly attached it as a rider?
00:44:47.000They have, but they've been so bold and so confident this year with the Democrats in control that they thought they could do it stand-alone in the Senate as well.
00:44:55.000But in a call yesterday I made to Kennedy's office, they told me that they are now considering trying to kind of disguise it as on the underbelly of some You know, pork legislation, whatever, but it was announced, in fact, last Tuesday to be up for a possible vote on the floor of the Senate today or tomorrow, this week.
00:45:18.000However, I have made some more calls back there, and this big drug prescription legislation is preoccupying the Senate right now.
00:45:26.000But it's definitely being pushed back until next week, and this is really a golden opportunity for everybody to take these extra few days... Yeah, all we need is four or five senators.
00:46:18.00014 ducked the Democratic majority and went against the hate bill.
00:46:23.000This is an indication we might pick up a Democrat or two in the Senate.
00:46:27.000And if we could even get only five Republicans to come back to the Republican fold and vote against the hate bill, along with a couple Democrats, we could smash the hate bill in the Senate next week.
00:46:39.000Absolutely, and you notice they're more skittish about gun control now because they had so many political defeats in the 90s, and over 80% on average of those that voted for anti-gun bills were removed through the voting process of the people.
00:46:55.000And so we need to continue to drive a stake through the heart.
00:46:58.000I know people get fatigued having to battle this every session, but if you don't Literally, folks, they're going to start arresting talk show hosts and pastors, like they do in Canada and Germany and England, and you're not going to hear true, candid discussions, and the darkness is going to increase.
00:47:15.000Reverend Ted Pike, thank you for the update.
00:47:29.000I mean what I said, and I said what I meant.
00:47:31.000And when we get back, I'm going to get a little bit into 9-11 with Webster Tarpley being viciously attacked as they try to spin things in overdrive on Fox News last night.
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00:55:34.000So you're saying that after the planes hit the Trade Center, that the government, in a controlled fashion, went in and then bombed the... No, that's exactly what I'm not arguing.
00:56:14.000This is exactly what the Kane-Hamilton Commission did not do.
00:56:21.000Who loaded up the building with explosives?
00:56:23.000Someone who has very capable, controlled demolition expertise.
00:56:27.000Not Bin Laden, not Al-Qaeda, not some group of psychotic patsies in a cave of iron.
00:56:33.000But somebody who actually can do these things.
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00:58:04.000I mean, the bottom line motive is just like Hitler and the Reichstag.
00:58:11.000You stage a terror attack to get this done.
00:58:14.000And when they start talking about planes hitting the buildings, you just bring up the fact that, oh, you mean the people standing in the wounds of the buildings that weren't on fire but the columns all shattered?
00:58:22.000The firemen and police reported that bombs were going off?
00:58:25.000The owner says that they gave the order to pull the building?
00:59:05.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:59:10.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:59:18.000We're going to be having Jim Mars with us coming up in the next segment for the rest of the hour to discuss all the huge JFK assassination developments with E. Howard Hunt tape being released and so much more.
00:59:31.000We're going to get his expert analysis.
00:59:53.000By the way, Ron Paul will be participating in May and June debates.
00:59:56.000This is an InfoWars.net article written by Russell Gentile, who we appreciate writing for us.
01:00:03.000He says he spoke with Ron Paul's campaign office today, inquiring as the Fox debate on May 15th, and the official word is Ron Paul will be participating.
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01:07:02.000Well, Jim Mars has taught college courses on the JFK assassination.
01:07:07.000He started out working for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram as a crime reporter.
01:07:12.000Driving around covering the police, and what a great position to cover the JFK assassination, right there in the DFW area, Dallas-Fort Worth area.
01:07:24.000For the next 51 minutes that we've got left in this hour, he is our guest today.
01:07:29.000By the way, we carry his book on the 9-11 operations at Infowars.com.
01:07:35.000We'll be telling you about that a little bit later.
01:07:39.000Jim Mars, of course we have links to his website too up on Infowars.com.
01:07:44.000Jim, it is great to have you with us, my friend.
01:07:47.000Well, it's always good to be with you, Alex.
01:07:55.000Just for those that don't know who you are, you might have been hiding under a rock somewhere.
01:07:59.000In a nutshell, tell us about Jim Mars and then let's get into what really happened.
01:08:03.000This new E. Howard Hunt stuff coming out just confirms on top of the mountains of evidence that you and others have brought forward on what really happened with JFK.
01:08:13.000There is some shading there, as you told me during the break, and I agree.
01:08:18.000I've got his son who's a great guy coming back on Monday.
01:08:22.000But I would also add that you contributed to the script and consulted on the film JFK.
01:09:07.000Today, particularly in the electronic media, you don't have people who are trained and educated in journalism.
01:09:14.000You just have air personalities and they're at the whims of the programming directors Uh, who are looking for numbers.
01:09:24.000And so you get fluff stories and puss stories and government propaganda and no, but there doesn't seem to be any, uh, real hardcore investigative journalism.
01:09:35.000This is why things like 9-11 could happen.
01:09:38.000And, uh, it's taken us 40 years to finally come around and realize that the official conspiracy theory is just full of holes.
01:09:46.000Now, as far as the Kennedy assassination goes, it's really pretty simple.
01:09:51.000The one thing everyone can agree on about the Kennedy assassination is that it's controversial.
01:10:00.000It only appears controversial because of the wide gulf between those who have just blindly accepted the government's official pronouncements, backed by little or nothing, as opposed to those who have actually studied the case.
01:10:32.000There are gunmen on the knoll, there was all kinds of people with Secret Service identification running around in Daly Plaza when none were supposed to be there.
01:10:41.000There was an army intelligence agent who got trapped in the school book depository, had to show his ID to get out, and was taking photographs of the Texas school book depository prior to the shooting.
01:10:56.000And if he did not act alone, then by dictionary definition, there was a conspiracy.
01:11:01.000And if there was a conspiracy, then it's obvious that that's been covered up officially to this very day, which means that could only have taken place.
01:11:11.000Khrushchev could not have covered it up.
01:11:15.000A few mobsters could not have covered it up.
01:11:18.000It was covered up at the highest levels of federal government in the United States.
01:11:21.000The Kennedy assassination was a coup d'etat, and that was when the government of the United States changed due to a violent act, which is the definition of a coup d'etat.
01:11:34.0009-11, they've been covering it up, and they have the motive, and then surprise, surprise, surprise, they're involved and ended up with their eyeballs.
01:11:42.000Now, 43 years later, Almost the polls show that virtually everyone in the country realizes that Kennedy was killed as a result of a conspiracy, but it's like so much time's gone by, it's kind of like, oh well, so what?
01:11:56.000Alright, now, when you talk about 9-11, the evidence and the facts would show that 9-11 was an inside job, that at very best, high officials knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen.
01:12:10.000Now, the evidence for that is so plain, so in your face, that it makes the Kennedy assassination look like a deep, dark mystery.
01:12:20.000Well, I agree with you, but let's go back here, because I want to get into 9-11 some today, but let's get into JFK first.
01:12:27.000I know someone as immersed as yourself, probably the preeminent living expert, Jim, That it's a no-brainer and you're kind of like, hey, it's old news.
01:12:37.000But it isn't old news in that if Bruce Willis finally says there was a coup d'etat, the government's been overthrown since 1963, the people that killed Kennedy are in power right now, he's clearly saying the Bushes, and we know George Herbert Walker was involved, the evidence is overwhelming there.
01:12:54.000I mean, if even their poster boy, who bought all their propaganda, has now woken up to it and gave an interview to Vanity Fair.
01:13:02.000And by the way, he woke up because of 9-11.
01:13:19.000I mean, that means that if it does become publicly admitted, then that opens the doors in people's minds to start understanding that other operations could be the government.
01:13:32.000And now Gulf of Tonkin's admitted and Ajax has admitted.
01:13:35.000How big is it to have E. Howard Hunt release this tape, A, A. B. Why do you think he released it?
01:13:43.000And clearly C. He's holding back on, you know, obviously a few things, calling it the big event and claiming that Kordmeier was in command.
01:13:51.000From your research, exactly how involved was E. Howard Hunt?
01:13:55.000Well, let me just start with the note to Oswald.
01:14:01.000Back in the 70s, someone sent researcher Penn Jones a letter from Mexico City.
01:14:08.000It was all in Spanish, and basically just said, I think you need to know about this.
01:14:12.000And enclosed was a copy of a letter that said, Dear Mr. Hunt, Uh, before anything is done by me or anybody else, I think I should, I would want to, uh, establish exactly what my position is.
01:14:40.000But since it came out of Mexico City, me and other researchers feel like that that note was probably to E. Howard Hunt, who had been acting station chief in Mexico City about that time.
01:14:54.000So that place is Hunt, right in the center of the plot to kill Kennedy.
01:15:00.000Now, in his deathbed so-called confessions, I think that he, number one, was trying to clear his conscience.
01:15:08.000Number two, he was trying to kind of set the record straight.
01:15:11.000Keep in mind that he had maintained for years he had nothing to do with it and was home with his family the weekend of the assassination.
01:15:18.000I already knew that was false because I at one point met a woman who had been friends with his daughter and his daughter said privately, no he wasn't there, we all wondered where he was.
01:15:29.000John says he remembers being in school and being scared when his dad was out of town.
01:15:40.000Major CIA officer, so he's trained, conditioned, and lived a life of lies, so we can't just put 100% truth on that.
01:15:49.000I think the importance of his deathbed confession is that he did, without any equivocation, blatantly state that the assassination of President Kennedy was a domestic plot, which it was.
01:16:05.000And then, of course, though, he said he turned it down.
01:16:08.000They came to him and said, we want you to participate.
01:16:19.000And I think he's trying to downplay his role in the whole thing.
01:16:23.000Well, that's because if it comes out, even his son that had to keep it quiet for three years could then be implicated, you know, an accessory after the fact for conspiracy covering up.
01:17:23.000And they just physically pressed past him.
01:17:26.000and went on, and they said later this was on orders of Lyndon Johnson.
01:17:30.000So in other words, Lyndon Johnson, a Texan, one of the first things he did upon becoming president of the United States was to violate the laws of his own state.
01:17:38.000And that should point you in the direction of the guilty parties.
01:17:44.000Now, we've always gotten the report about that meeting at Clint Merchinson's house the night before Kennedy was killed, and there had been reports that E. Howard Hunt was there.
01:17:54.000I've also heard reports that George Herbert Walker Bush was there, and that I cannot prove either.
01:17:59.000But what seems to be fairly substantiated, and again, this goes back to work that was done by Penn Jones and others, and plus my discussions with Madeline Brown, is that present at that meeting on Thursday night was J. Edgar Hoover, Richard Nixon, the Texas oil men, and Lyndon Richard Nixon, the Texas oil men, and Lyndon Johnson showed up late.
01:18:20.000And she said that Johnson went into the other room, they left the women alone, as was the custom, they went in there and conferred, and then when they came out, Johnson whispered to her fiercely, he said, those G.D.
01:18:32.000Kennedys will never bother me again after tomorrow.
01:18:36.000And this was on Thursday night prior to the assassination.
01:18:38.000I also have information, though, that George Herbert Walker Bush was in Dallas at that time.
01:18:44.000But you have to... Hold on, we got a break.
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01:23:17.000And what this means now to the general public to have E. Howard Hunt, who was clearly photographed there with Frank Sturgis and others, as the bums or the hobos.
01:23:29.000I mean, what this means to now have this and Salon coming out and reporting that Bobby instantly knew it was a hit in the conspiracy, but was afraid the public would think he was crazy if he went public.
01:23:41.000Well, wouldn't it have been something that when Lyndon Johnson landed in Air Force One at Washington, that there had been a phalanx of federal marshals there to place him under arrest?
01:23:54.000Of course, that would have been a huge shock and a huge upset for the country, and that's what caused a lot of people who really played no part in it to cave in and go along because, you know, the one rule of the game is don't give away the game.
01:24:08.000But here's an important point that everybody has to understand about the Kennedy assassination.
01:24:13.000uh... in nineteen sixty two there were no republicans in texas texas was part of what was called the solid south and ever since the war between the states uh... they've been the south had nothing but democrats okay and it was only nineteen sixty two and here's what happened there's an interesting story uh... in nineteen sixty when johnson
01:24:37.000Got on the Democratic ticket and was running as a somewhat liberal Democrat along with John Kennedy.
01:24:44.000He came to Texas and ran through the Texas legislature some legislation that is now known as the Johnson Law, which allowed him to run as a somewhat liberal Democrat on the national ticket and still run for his Senate seat as a conservative Democrat from Texas.
01:25:03.000But as we all know, by a very, very thin margin, the Kennedy Johnson ticket won.
01:25:09.000And so that left his Senate seat open.
01:25:12.000Seventy-two people filed for that seat.
01:25:18.000One of them was a school teacher from Waco named John Tower.
01:25:22.000And because it so split up the ticket, John Tower, as a Republican, actually won.
01:25:27.000And that was quite a shock to the people in Texas.
01:25:31.000So, Texas had only had Republican representatives.
01:25:34.000And of course, they later blew up Tower's airplane.
01:25:37.000Tower, who had paid his dues and was all set to become Secretary of Defense, was suddenly they turned on him and said, no, we're not going to do that because he was not a New World Order member.
01:25:49.000And as a result, Tower said, well, I'm going to write a tell-all book.
01:25:54.000And he was in the process of doing that when his plane went down and his manuscript has never been found.
01:25:59.000But you have to understand, that's why Bush does not figure prominently in the public scenes at that time because he was a Republican in Texas that was still dominated by the Democrats.
01:26:15.000But we do have Nixon there at the final go-ahead meeting at the Oilman's house in Dallas.
01:26:23.000The fact that we do know Bush was in the CIA, that's clear.
01:26:26.000They didn't just make him director a few years later out of nowhere, and then go through the stories you got about him in the hotel with Nixon.
01:26:44.000And they came down here, they've looted the state, now they're looting the National Treasury.
01:26:48.000Um, his father, though, helped create the CIA, so the family, and we all know the CIA has been a good old boy network, and so he's been close, he was closely connected to the CIA all along.
01:27:01.000I am still in touch with a Black Ops military pilot who flew arms and ammunition for the Bay of Pigs invasion, and he said that they were using the pot of drilling of Midland Odessa as a front, as a cover, for flying arms and ammunition for the anti-Castro Cuba.
01:27:16.000Well, we have letters with CIA Ops mentioning George W. Bush.
01:27:22.000So, and of course that explains why in 75 our unelected President Gerald Ford suddenly just reaches down, pulls out this Texas oil man, George Herbert Walker Bush, and makes him head of the CIA.
01:27:33.000It made no sense at the time unless you knew this deep family background connection to the CIA.
01:27:40.000We also have an FBI document the very next day, November the 23rd, 1963, that was reporting on the reaction of the anti-Castro-Cuban community to the assassination, and it says this information was provided verbally by Mr. George Bush, the CIA.
01:27:57.000That all came out even back in '92, but they tried to brush it off and say, "Oh, that was a different guy." And of course, so the mass media dropped it, but later they actually found George Bush, who had worked for the CIA, and he said, "I was just a lowly analyst, and I was in the Northeast, and I never had anything to do with the anti-Castro Cubans." So again, we're back to George Herbert Walker Bush being intimately connected with the CIA, even as far back as 1961 at the Bay of Pigs invasion.
01:28:26.000And then a spitting image of him taken in the same group of photos of E. Howard Hunt now, basically admitted to be E. Howard Hunt.
01:28:33.000When we get back, let's talk about why the media has been completely silent on these new huge E. Howard Hunt revelations.
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01:32:09.000I think it's really important that we all pause and think about the fact that our Over 90% of the American people in every major poll now believe that the government was involved in killing Kennedy, that there was more than one shooter.
01:32:32.000And those are numbers from like a year ago, six, eight months ago at the last anniversary.
01:32:41.000It's just going to get bigger and bigger.
01:32:43.000And when you have Bruce Willis, but see, I'm not even bad-mouthing Bruce Willis.
01:32:48.000His dad was in the army, his mother was German, he grew up on a military base until he was five years old over in Germany.
01:32:56.000He loves America, he thinks patriotism, he's just doing whatever the government says and being conservative.
01:33:03.000So for somebody like him to go, yeah, the criminal elements killed him, there was a coup d'etat, they usurped and took over the government, and they're still in power today, they may kill me, but I don't care.
01:33:17.000And by the way, we told you behind the scenes that he saw my films, he woke up, Rick Linklater just brought that up out of nowhere, and the reason I bring that up is it shows how a film can change things.
01:33:28.000It shows how an action can change things.
01:33:32.000And he really is a poster child or an archetypal example, a canary in the coal mine for the New World Order because Bruce Willis just shouldn't go Okay, maybe you're right about a little bit.
01:33:45.000Once you make the decision to look at the evidence, which you did do, by the way.
01:33:50.000Once you make the decision to actually go look at it, and then you find out you've been lied to, then you see everything else makes sense, and now you're not mindlessly trusting anymore.
01:34:02.000Now you're doing a more thorough investigation.
01:34:04.000And see, what happened to Bruce Willis is happening to the whole country right now.
01:34:09.000And we were talking during a break, Jim, and you were talking about the fact that you're getting all these emails and calls going, hey, did you know Kennedy really was killed by the government?
01:34:54.000In fact, what I look on as quite a hopeful sign is that, I mean, I was there six years after the Kennedy assassination, and it was not considered socially acceptable to even discuss it in public.
01:35:07.000And if you said anything other than Oswald did it all by himself, you were basically ostracized and looked on as unpatriotic.
01:35:15.000Today, we're six years out from 9-11, and as you say, and it's true, the polls show 50, 60, maybe 70% of the population is no longer buying that official conspiracy theory, which is backed by little or nothing.
01:36:08.000I'm about to be on the radio and I go, "Hey, tune into this frequency." Well, hey, here's an experience I had.
01:36:14.000I was going through airport security with the TSA guys all over me, okay?
01:36:20.000And they're giving me the third degree, wanding me all over the whole thing.
01:36:25.000And I said, "Hey guys," I said, "Well, why don't you use this kind of stringent security and secure our borders?" If we're supposed to be so fearful of terrorists slipping in the country, how come they're not doing anything to defend the borders?
01:36:38.000And I was waiting for these guys to jump all over me instead.
01:36:42.000Man, these are big TSA guys, and they're going, yeah, I wondered about that, too.
01:37:32.000All you have to do is look at the non-coverage of Texas Congressman Ron Paul, who by all measures won the Republican debate, and yet you don't hear anything about him.
01:37:45.000If that doesn't prove to you that the media is totally controlled by their corporate masters, and, you know, Alex, we always hear them gripping about the liberal media.
01:38:34.000Some years ago, the secretary of Clint Murchison, the big Texas, powerful Texas oil man, published a small little book that got very little notice.
01:38:42.000But in there, she published a lot of the correspondence from Clint Murchison.
01:38:46.000And the one that caught my eye was when she said that Clint Murchison was almost in daily contact with Lyndon Johnson and basically telling him what to do.
01:38:55.000And on one occasion, and she published this letter, Murchison sent a letter to Johnson and said, if you can get Richard Nixon, J. Edgar Hoover, and then he named a couple of other conservative senators, he said, if you can get those guys together, you can run the country.
01:39:10.000And I want to tell you that's exactly what happened with the coup of 1963.
01:39:14.000That was not a Republican, Democrat, Conservative, Liberal thing.
01:39:18.000That was a controller versus the people action.
01:39:25.000Well, Murchison and of course Hunt, not E. Howard Hunt, but the oilman Hunt, and others, it's in mainline history books on Lyndon's rise from Stonewall, Johnson City, right outside Austin, on the way to Fredericksburg, that he literally was groomed and handled From day one, because he had a family in the legislature, and they were told, boy, we're sending you to Washington, you're going to be president!
01:39:50.000That's right, they sent him up there to rescue Brown and Root, that had $12 million sunk into that hydroelectric dam project down in South Texas, and the senator that had rammed it through died, inconveniently, and they were afraid they might lose that, so they picked Johnson to go up there and salvage the project, which he did.
01:40:10.000And then a year or two later, he managed to get the big naval base at Corpus Christi, and boy, after that, he was their fair-haired boy.
01:40:56.000Well, let me tell you a quick story that I think pretty well tells it all.
01:40:59.000Some years ago, I was in contact with a fellow whose parents were big in the Democratic Party back in 1963 and had contributed heavily to the party and to Lyndon Johnson's campaign.
01:41:11.000And as a result, they were invited to come to a big Johnson cookout at the Johnson Ranch that was scheduled for that Friday night, November 22, 1963.
01:41:21.000The presidential party, once they left Dallas, was to go down to the Johnson Ranch.
01:41:25.000That was the end of their Texas visit.
01:41:29.000And they were going to have a big barbecue at the Texas Ranch of Lyndon Johnson.
01:41:33.000Now, I've spoken to many people who've been to those Johnson barbecues, and they were real wing-dings.
01:41:38.000I mean, they'd have a whole side of a cow over a spit.
01:41:53.000And they decided they were just going to go ahead and drive over to the Johnson Ranch and get there early and watch all the preparations and everything and then be there for the big party that evening.
01:42:02.000So they drove all the way to Johnson City, got to the Johnson Ranch, and lo and behold, nothing was happening.
01:42:32.000Obviously, somebody knew there was not going to be a party that night.
01:42:38.000And it just goes on and on from there.
01:42:40.000Then we have the newspapers planted before they even knew who Oswald was over on the other side of the globe in New Zealand and other areas.
01:42:49.000And again, to draw parallels, as I'm sure you've well reported, We now know that CNN and BBC was reporting the collapse of Building 7, World Trade Center Building 7, at least 20 minutes before it fell down.
01:43:17.000I mean, somebody, that was a slip up, or do you think somebody didn't like what was happening, maybe in black ops and leaked that, or?
01:43:24.000Well, it could be either way, but the point is, is that obviously that means somebody had foreknowledge that that building was coming down, and as a result, see if there was a real investigation, we should find out who it was that passed that information that they put on the teleprompter.
01:43:42.000And while we're on that, if you'll recall, Mayor Giuliani had this big, hardened command center in Building 7, but he didn't go there, he went to a temporary command center.
01:43:54.000Because they'd already moved out the night before, and the head of FEMA in New York had said that, then he'd retracted it, but then Giuliani later admitted in testimony, yeah, we were running tripod 2 terror attack drill, so we'd moved out the day before.
01:44:07.000That's right, and I even saw the head of the FEMA team who was interviewed that day, and he said, yeah, we arrived last night.
01:44:15.000So, you know, they were already there, but they didn't go to this command center in Building 7.
01:44:19.000They went to a temporary command center on Barclay Street, and while they were there, according to Giuliani, that very afternoon when he's covered with dust and debris, He said, while we were in there, somebody ran in and said, you've got to evacuate, the Twin Towers are coming down.
01:44:33.000And he said they were in the process of evacuating when the towers fell, and they were, of course, caught in all the dust and debris and everything.
01:45:29.000And by the way, the SPP, the Security Prosperity Partnership, and then the thing they just signed, any way you look at it, These are treaties with foreign countries.
01:45:40.000And it's absolutely unconstitutional and treasonous.
01:45:43.000Because the Constitution states the President cannot conclude treaties with another country without a two-thirds vote of the Senate.
01:45:50.000And he has not gotten that on either one of these deals.
01:45:53.000Our country's being sold away, given away, and we're just sitting around on our thumbs.
01:45:59.000Not even understanding what's happening.
01:46:16.000And as they nail down the economics, the euro, which is backed at least to some extent by gold, is going to get stronger and stronger, and the dollar, which is backed by nothing but nuclear threats, is going to get weaker and weaker.
01:46:30.000I just can't believe how bad of shape we're in.
01:46:32.000And meanwhile they're talking about Paris Hilton and jail time.
01:46:41.000And meanwhile, even while we're still dealing with that, the Senate just passed a bill that's handing over our health care to the big pharmaceutical combine.
01:46:54.000Yeah, socialized health care for the elites.
01:47:12.000We're just like a third world country now, and we've decided that corruption is just the way it is, and well, they all lie, and it's cute, and we're being strip-mined like a third world country, boys and girls.
01:47:23.000That's true, and here's the bottom line.
01:47:26.000The United States of America, as a sovereign nation, is the biggest stumbling block to the New World Order, a global socialist program, okay?
01:47:36.000Because We have a tradition and history of individual freedom and liberty.
01:47:41.000We have a legal basis for that in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and we have guns.
01:47:47.000So they've had to kind of play it cozy up until recently, but now with this open-ended war on terror, with wars of aggression around the world, around the world and stripping our states of the National Guard.
01:48:59.000We've got to build a grassroots movement here because it should be painfully obvious That the time has passed when we can look to anybody in the bought-off Congress to try to stand up and do anything right.
01:49:12.000Well, I tell you, the economy is already slowing, I can feel it.
01:49:16.000And people need to understand, we expose the governments behind terror, they have to back off.
01:49:22.000We expose that they're behind imploding the economy, they may back off.
01:49:25.000They want to criminally consolidate it to consolidate your wealth.
01:49:29.000It's so important to expose who's behind the economics as well.
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01:54:35.000Jim, what do you see happening in the next month, the next year, the next couple of years, with this... The more people go public, the more documents come out, the more... Now we have one of the operatives involved in the killing of JFK going public.
01:55:01.000What I see happening over the next year and a half or so is that more and more information, more and more whistleblowers will come forward until even the most dead-asleep neocon Is going to wake up and go, holy cow, we've been had by the Bush administration.
01:55:52.000So she is lock, stock, and barrel, one of the New World Order, and so they're looking now to swing the pendulum the other way, put Democrats, Clinton, John Edwards, people like that, into power, and yet, if you'll stop and think about it, Homeland Security is there, Patriot Act's there, Military Commissions Act is still there, and then you'll have these New World Order people in.
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01:58:06.000David Ray Griffin is a professor emeritus at the Claremont School of Theology, where he taught for over 30 years, retiring in 2004.
01:58:19.000He has authored or edited over two dozen books, including God and Religion in the Postmodern World, Religion and Scientific Naturalism, and The New Pearl Harbor, disturbing questions about the Bush administration in 9-11, And he's written several books, now three books, and been involved with several others on 9-11.
01:58:39.000His latest book is Debunking 9-11 Debunking.
01:58:44.000And yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are carrying the book Debunking 9-11 Debunking, An Answer to Popular Mechanics and the Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory by David Ray Griffin.
01:58:55.000He is with us now for the next 59 minutes.
01:58:58.000David, it's great to have you on with us.
01:59:11.000Let's spend a few minutes now, if it's okay with you, getting into what I see as the exponential snowballing or exploding to supernova new levels every few months of 9-11 Truth to now where even Bruce Willis is starting to wake up.
01:59:27.000Can you give me your overall view on that?
01:59:31.000Well, the last few months have really been remarkable, and I would say the last year as a whole, what has happened is the movement has gone from having a lot of people like me, who are not people with technical expertise, only a few people, you know, physicists, engineers and the such, And now we have all these new organizations.
02:00:24.000And so, uh, whereas, uh, NIST and Popular Mechanics like to claim the mantle of expertise and say, all the experts on our side.
02:00:35.000That has changed drastically over the last year.
02:00:39.000Well, anytime someone says, all the experts agree with us, it should be suspect.
02:00:44.000But in truth, It's like 10 or 15 experts that they've got total in all the government reports that are all in bed with the very regime that was clearly involved in the attacks.
02:00:55.000Meanwhile, I can't keep track, David, Ray Griffin, with all the people, the prominent scientists, fighter pilots, commercial pilots, businesses, engineers, that are going public on a daily basis.
02:01:07.000I mean, I can't even keep track of it.
02:01:10.000There are so many more now that have come out for The 9-11 truth movement, than you have, who have come out explicitly as supporting the official story.
02:01:24.000So, it's a completely new situation, and yet, as I show in the introduction and conclusion of my book, the journalists still are pretending that we've got these neutral scientific
02:01:43.000Documents that support the official story, ignoring the fact that NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, is an agency of the Commerce Department and therefore an agency of the Bush-Cheney administration.
02:02:00.000And it's just absurd to think that they, even though they have scientists, could have come out with any report that would contradict the official story.
02:02:08.000Well, they continue, and we're going to break and come back and talk about this, to call the 9-11 Commission independent.
02:02:14.000I mean, that would be like Al Capone appointing his main capo to be the judge in his trial.
02:02:20.000Bush appointed the chairman of that committee, who then appointed their own people.
02:02:24.000I mean, that's as independent as Herman Goering is from Hitler.
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02:06:09.000An extremely prominent professor emeritus of international law at Princeton University said, David Ray Griffin has established himself along Seymour Hersh as America's number one bearer of unpleasant yet necessary public truths.
02:06:27.000And you need to get debunking 9-11 debunking.
02:06:30.000Because obviously Fox and CNN and everybody else are going to try to ignore it.
02:06:36.000Hey, you've had popular mechanics owned by Hearst Publishing, literally in the encyclopedia, when you look up yellow journalism, next to it is Hearst Publishing.
02:06:47.000They were Fox News before Rupert Murdoch was even born.
02:06:52.000They were Fox News when Rupert Murdoch's father was a baby.
02:06:57.000Okay, I mean, they wrote the book on colluding with the intelligence agencies and government lies.
02:07:03.000They built half-truths, straw men, frauds.
02:07:05.000Well, he's written a lengthy treatise, and it's a great read, and all of us need this.
02:07:12.000I've only read the first few chapters, and I'm learning a lot of things I didn't know.
02:07:16.000And because this is such a big field, none of us know everything, and I've learned a lot from David Ray Griffin.
02:07:21.000And I'm telling you, you need debunking 9-11 debunking, and it's available at InfoWars.com.
02:07:27.000We also have it with a big discount on both the items.
02:07:31.000If you get it with the video, 9-11, the myth and the reality, that's a compilation of four and five and six camera shoots with different presentations that David Ray Griffin has put together.
02:07:51.000And it's for the general public, but it's also very effective with scholarly individuals.
02:07:56.000He is a very measured, I wouldn't call it cautious, but I mean he's just sticking to the facts, and it's extremely scary.
02:08:06.000I can now talk about this as well, I'm not going to talk about myself in involvement with it because I choose to keep that somewhat private at this time because we've got a lot of delicate things going on.
02:08:18.000But David Ray Griffin did vet the script for a loose change final cut.
02:08:26.000You know, that's all been in the news that Charlie's involved, but it really hasn't that David Ray Griffin's involved.
02:08:32.000And the script is just absolutely amazing, and that film is a rough cut right now, and I've seen large parts of it.
02:08:39.000It's an absolutely incredible film, and it's going to be the coup de grace when it comes to 9-11 films.
02:08:44.000But going back to Professor David Ray Griffin, please continue, sir, with the implosion of the myth, and then let's get into their feeble counter that they report on as if it's ex catheter from the throne or off of Mount Sinai.
02:09:00.000They keep talking about popular mechanics as if they're Galileo and Newton and Einstein rolled into one, when in truth it's a shoddy fraud.
02:09:10.000Well, it's just amazing the number of people who should know better who cite popular mechanics as some sort of authority.
02:09:21.000I mean, they got into this issue very late.
02:09:26.000They're not the crew that people had grown to trust over the previous decades.
02:09:32.000Kathleen Black, the head of Hearst Corporation, Hearst Publishing, who is married to a former CIA and Department of Defense official,
02:09:48.000fired the old editor and much of his staff brought on a brand new editor, James Meggs, and it was this new crew that puts together the article in the Public Mechanics magazine in 2005, which then turned into a little slightly larger book in 2006 called Debunking 9-11 Myths.
02:10:21.000They threw this stuff together, and they claimed that in that fairly brief period of time, they learned all the essential facts about why the World Trade Center buildings came down, why the planes weren't intercepted, what really happened at the Pentagon, and so on.
02:10:40.000And yet, when it comes to young Benjamin Chertoff, who had described himself as the senior researcher for the magazine version.
02:10:52.000They, you know, were in response to the claim that he's the cousin of Michael Chertoff, the then new head of Homeland Security.
02:11:07.000And this had been shown by Christopher Bolin, who had called up Ben Chertoff's mother and said, Um, is he related to Michael Chertoff?
02:11:16.000And she says, well, of course he's his cousin.
02:11:19.000They try to deny this and say, she said, well, it's possible that he's a distant cousin.
02:11:27.000And, uh, you know, they could do all this, but they were not able to discover where their guy on their own staff.
02:11:35.000Well, David, I was there as that was all happening, following it closely, as you are, too, but this is exactly what happened.
02:11:43.000They called me up, and I've done hundreds of magazine interviews and newspapers, more than hundreds.
02:11:49.000I mean, even by then, I'd probably, in the ten years previous, this was two years ago, done a thousand.
02:11:54.000I mean, I do them literally three or four times a week or more.
02:11:56.000This is the first time I thought it was fake.
02:11:59.000They were so unprofessional, stumbling, stuttering.
02:14:26.000And they made this point by quoting a former senator, Republican Senator Warren Rudman, Who said something like, well, we just don't keep armed fighters on alert anymore.
02:14:42.000Who, by the way, wrote up the CFR strategy for Homeland Security and was on the Hart-Rudman Commission.
02:14:48.000Yeah, but the article then that this was taken from in the Boston Globe The journalist then went on to say, after quoting Rudman, that, but, you know, at Otis Air Force Base, we have something very close to this, and then described that these planes are on alert 24 hours a day, and they're armed.
02:15:14.000And, you know, ready to take off in a few minutes.
02:15:17.000They also claim in the same section and on the air constantly that the major, the spokesman for NORAD, said they'd only intercepted one plane in the years before, that being Payne Stewart, the golfer, but then the very same guy was in Reuters saying 160-something times in the year before.
02:15:34.000I mean, this is just incredible lying.
02:15:38.000Either they're terribly ignorant, And just have no sense of journalistic carefulness, or else they are deliberately manipulating the evidence.
02:15:55.000And there are many places where one must say, although you hate to accuse people of deliberately trying to deceive people, it certainly looks like that's what they do, because they end that section on interceptions.
02:16:09.000where they're claiming there was no stand-down.
02:16:11.000By quoting Rudman, it seems like deliberately leaving out the very next sentence where the writer says, but at Otis, there are armed fighters on alert 24-7.
02:16:24.000Well, you know, same with the Kennedy assassination that now everybody knows is an inside job.
02:16:32.000The Warren Commission became a blueprint to debunk them, just as the 9-11 Commission did, and it looks like this new Bible they created and put so much faith into with the public, or tried to, is now going to blow up in their face to kingdom come, because the thing is even more shoddy than the 9-11 Commission.
02:16:51.000Yeah, let me give another example of something they, with all their money and resources, could have easily checked out.
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02:21:39.000David Ray Griffin, author of Debunking 9-11 Debunking, is our guest.
02:22:02.000That thing has every earmark and signature and wavelength and footprint.
02:22:09.000And smell of a black op, of a gaggle of disinfo artists.
02:22:13.000We know Bush has spent tens of billions in fake news.
02:22:17.000$1.8 billion just on one fake ad package.
02:22:20.000And we know that a lot of people we see on the news are paid by the CIA, Department of Justice, and other groups.
02:22:26.000Regardless, Hearst Publishing, you heard about the lady that runs it, her husband, a big black op operator.
02:22:32.000I mean, that's how the thing was written.
02:22:33.000I've never experienced anything like this.
02:22:35.000David Ray Griffin, there's so many things you debunk in your book.
02:22:39.000People gotta get it, though, because they have to have the knowledge, not just of what happened on 9-11 now, but of how to counter the debunkers.
02:22:48.000who are really apologists for the official stories.
02:22:51.000I mean, how important is it to have the knowledge to debunk this screed that, again, really is now the pennant or the standard of the enemy forces?
02:23:05.000Well, it's just a matter of getting empirical because, you know, all the facts are on our side.
02:23:15.000At the introduction, they've got John McCain giving the foreword to their book, saying that these guys do science, they don't engage in speculation, they just go for the facts, and so on.
02:23:27.000And we're not political, we don't have a dog in the park!
02:23:31.000Right, but let's take this example of the cell phone.
02:23:33.000So Dudney went up with his single-engine plane, and then a double-engine plane.
02:23:40.000And found that using the kind of cell phones they had in 2001, you couldn't get a signal above 7 or 8,000 feet.
02:23:48.000In a big airliner, with all that shielding, all the anecdotal evidence suggests you can't get one much above 1,000 or 1,500, certainly not above 2,000 feet.
02:24:00.000And yet all these calls were allegedly made at 30,000 to 40,000 feet.
02:24:10.000So he said those, you know, from his experiments were flat out impossible.
02:24:36.000Well, everybody I know, and I've done it probably 20 times, I'm not exaggerating, in the last five and a half years, every time I take off, I have sat there and dialed, I know you're not supposed to, and at about 1,500 feet, and I know because I can tell how tall the radio towers are, I've asked at the airport, at about 1,500 feet the phone cuts out, if you can even get a signal.
02:25:00.000At a lot of airports, because of the shielding and other waves, I'm not sure why, a lot of times they won't even work in the planes.
02:25:09.000Yeah, and so the, you know, what that means is that One of the central pillars of the official story, the idea that passengers called their relatives and reported that they were being hijacked and there were these hijackers in the plane, it means that there is no empirical evidence for that.
02:25:32.000That was the evidence that there were hijackers on the plane.
02:25:37.000And once you realize those cell phone calls could not have occurred, then That just completely undercuts that.
02:25:44.000Now you might say, well some of the phone calls were allegedly made on feedback phones, and certainly those were possible.
02:25:51.000But when you see that the content of those calls were, that they were essentially the same as the cell phone calls.
02:25:58.000If the cell phone calls were faked, we can conclude the feedback calls were faked.
02:26:04.000And particularly when you look at the content of them, They do not sound like authentic calls.
02:26:19.000And another example besides that, that famous one, Tom Burnett allegedly called his wife Dina four times and from Flight 93.
02:26:30.000And on the last one, He was telling her, well, you know, it looks like they're going to take this in and crash it, so a bunch of us are going to get together and crash the plane over the rural area.
02:26:47.000And so here he knew he was going to die, and he's talking to his wife, and then she says, well, the kids are right here, they want to talk to you.
02:26:55.000And he says, oh, no, tell them I'll talk to them later.
02:27:00.000Can you imagine anybody who was in his last moments would turn down a chance to talk to his kids?
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02:34:13.000There's so many other examples that we're going to try to cover here and hopefully encourage you to get the book.
02:34:18.000Mr. Griffin, looking out into the future, And speaking about the myth and how they install that myth, but first, what do you see on the tea leaves?
02:34:29.000I mean, I know you just follow the facts and the information, but you're a smart guy.
02:34:33.000You've lived a long life, and you've been, you know, in some high circles and talked to a lot of people.
02:34:38.000What do you see this current elite doing that is trying to hurdle us towards World War III, and could they stage another attack?
02:35:09.000You know, that event that occurred yesterday with mainstream Republican Congress people going in to talk to Bush and say, look, things are getting really bad here.
02:35:23.000We're going to go down to defeat, unless you change your ways in Iraq.
02:35:28.000I think something like this may occur on a grander scale with regard to 9-11, like it did with Nixon and Watergate, where the elite of the country decided, this is really destroying America.
02:35:48.000and really things have to, he has to go.
02:35:52.000It may be that they will realize the only way to recover America's reputation is to expose 9-11, give at least the appearance of weeding out the corruption and the problem.
02:36:12.000I mean, I certainly wouldn't predict that would happen.
02:36:15.000I think there's a possibility that it would happen.
02:36:20.000If 9-11 continues to exponentially grow, which by every yardstick it's exploding, when do you think a probable time for that flashpoint to occur?
02:36:30.000Or will they try to coast out and just let Bush leave and then install the equally warmongering Hillary Clinton?
02:36:38.000Well, again, I don't know and I don't spend much time thinking about that sort of thing.
02:36:45.000I just think all we can do Is keep doing what we've been doing.
02:36:50.000Let justice be done, though the heavens may fall.
02:36:53.000Yeah, because, you know, as you say, we have been amazingly successful.
02:37:00.000I would guess that now, if a new Zogby poll were taken, we would be up in the 40s in terms of those who would say it was deliberately allowed or orchestrated by the Bush administration.
02:37:15.000We already know that Forty-two percent believe they have been lied to, to some degree, by the 9-11 Commission.
02:37:24.000But that 37 percent we had for last year, of those who believed it was an inside job, at least partially, I suspect that's up in the 40s now.
02:37:36.000Now, that's people who, when they got a Scripps Howard News Service call, do you believe the government was behind it, or were elements?
02:37:44.000I mean, with polling sciences, normally people will, and even with their quote, viewing habits and with the rating services, they found that people are embarrassed and won't answer truthfully.
02:37:55.000They'll answer in the more conservative vein.
02:37:58.000And so I would imagine that if you really got honest poll numbers, it'd be much higher than that.
02:38:04.000So in any case, given the polls and given the fact that we have now drawn so many People with professional expertise relevant to 9-11 into the movement.
02:38:19.000It's so much stronger than it was a year ago.
02:38:23.000Let me give another example of this and of Popular Mechanics.
02:38:29.000They deal with the most difficult question with regard to the strike on the Pentagon was how in the world could Honey Honjour Who could barely fly a little Piper Cub, have gotten into this giant airplane, he had never been in one before, fly it all the way back to Washington, and then go through this amazing trajectory to come in at ground level and strike the Pentagon.
02:39:00.000Here's what Paul B. Mechanics says, well no problem, you know, He wasn't great, but really all he had to do was use the GPS system, punch in the numbers, and let the plane fly itself back to Washington.
02:39:14.000And really, he only did it manually the last eight minutes.
02:39:18.000What they don't mention to their readers is during that last eight minutes, Honey Honjour reportedly did the impossible with that airplane.
02:39:30.000So now we have pilots in the movement, and I quote a couple of them in the book, who say, and there's 757 qualified pilots who've got, one of them, 35 years of experience, who say, I don't think I could have flown that trajectory.
02:39:46.000The idea that Honey Honjour could have is absolutely ridiculous.
02:39:49.000Well, it's also come out that they've tried to do this in simulators, and nine times out of ten, the instructors can't do it.
02:39:56.000That's right, and so here you have another example Or the whole story crashes.
02:40:03.000You know, if you have to say, okay, we lied when we said Honey Honjour.
02:40:10.000If they have to say that, then the whole story about the Pentagon goes.
02:40:15.000If people know they were lying about the Pentagon, then they're going to say, well, were you lying about the World Trade Center too?
02:40:23.000And so, the cell phones, Honey Honjour.
02:40:27.000Likewise, if you go to the World Trade Center, Uh, what do they do with the empirical evidence?
02:40:34.000Uh, from, you know, we have over about 150 people, at least, who testified to hearing, uh, explosives in the building going off, either before or during the, uh, the disintegration of the powers.
02:40:49.000And yet, NIST and Popular Mechanics simply ignores these.
02:40:55.000That's what they do with empirical evidence.
02:41:00.000They know there's no way to account for a molten metal because steel does not begin to melt until 2800 degrees Fahrenheit.
02:41:10.000And the fire could not have come within 1000 degrees of that.
02:41:15.000And so NIST for the most part simply tries to deny that there was any molten metal.
02:41:20.000I want to take a couple of calls, David, if we can, and then get back into a few of the other myths that you debunk in the book.
02:41:25.000People have got to obviously get the book to really become experts on this.
02:41:28.000But I've got one more question for you.
02:41:31.000The elites, the black ops that carried out these attacks, that carried out this inside job and set up the Patsies, why did they think they could get away with it?
02:41:41.000Was it they were still playing the 30, 40-year-old game of where they controlled all the media?
02:41:44.000Or why did they think they could get away with this?
02:41:47.000Because, I mean, now in hindsight, it's just so ridiculous.
02:41:51.000Their official story is the most wild conspiracy theory.
02:41:56.000Well, it is crazy, and it's got so many completely vulnerable spots.
02:42:02.000But I think that's right, that, you know, looking back at the JFK assassination, that was obviously absurd, too, for anybody who would look at the evidence.
02:42:13.000And yet, because they did control the media, they could get away with it.
02:42:18.000I mean, the media are still controlled on this.
02:42:22.000If you say anything suggesting that it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald operating alone, or virtually alone, You're called part of the grassy knoll crowd on the mainstream, even though 80% of the people think it.
02:42:34.000So yeah, I think so, and thus far they've turned out to be right.
02:42:38.000That is, thus far, it has not become part of the public discussion in America.
02:42:45.000If it does not become part of the public discussion, Even if 50% of the people know it, nothing happens.
02:42:53.000You're a philosopher as well as a theologian, and I think this is a good question for you.
02:42:58.000I've certainly pondered it, but I know the answer.
02:43:01.000Generals throughout history will put a thousand, ten thousand troops in a gully to use them as bait, like I'd use a worm on a fish hook.
02:43:09.000To draw in the enemy to catch the larger force in a trap and kill them.
02:43:13.000So if generals make decisions to kill thousands as just due course and then walk off and have lunch at the staff bunker, then why wouldn't the very same mindset say, well, we're doing this for the greater American century and millions will die if we don't and all the excuses.
02:43:30.000I mean, isn't that really how they could have the nerve to kill 2,800 and something people?
02:43:36.000There's no question about their capacity to do that, and I raised that in my introductory chapter.
02:43:43.000I begin by saying the evidence is overwhelming that it was an inside job.
02:43:50.000The only task is to get people to look at the evidence.
02:43:53.000So I go through a bunch of a priori reasons people will give for saying, well, we don't need to look at the evidence because we know it couldn't have happened.
02:44:01.000And one of those is, well, we know the Bush administration wouldn't have done this.
02:44:05.000But if you look at what they did after 9-11, at Ground Zero, they deliberately told the APA to lie to the public.
02:44:17.000The EPA was going to put out a fairly honest report and say the air was dangerous.
02:44:22.000There was an enormous amount of asbestos in the air.
02:44:26.000And yet the White House ordered them to tone it down and actually tell people the air was safe.
02:44:32.000Now, more people are going to die From the workers at Ground Zero, the 40,000 of them, then died on 9-11 itself.
02:44:50.000I'm afraid that's the way of the world, including the United States.
02:44:54.000We are not an exceptional nation in that respect.
02:44:57.000But the paradox here, the quandary, that generally the general public isn't like that.
02:45:02.000People I know, the average person wouldn't consciously do that.
02:45:05.000It seems like it's a leadership trait to be cold-blooded.
02:45:09.000I mean, and it's not a leadership trait in the positive, it just seems more often than not we get tyrants, and I just don't know how we deal with that larger question.
02:45:21.000Certainly there is a tendency for a certain type of person to gravitate to leadership positions, and they learn along the way that you have to be tough.
02:45:33.000And if you don't have a reputation of being tough, you won't be advanced.
02:45:38.000And so you may do things that, at least at first, greatly disturb your conscience, but people tend to get over that.
02:45:50.000Absolutely, and those callouses get so thick where you can be like Joe Stalin or Hitler and you don't even notice millions you're killing.
02:45:57.000And likewise, we do have testimonies from Vietnam, from all sorts of places, where people really did feel terrible about what they were doing, but they said, I'm in the army, I'm in the government, I have to obey orders.
02:46:12.000And that has become a very powerful force.
02:46:18.000leading people to do things that in their private lives they would never think of doing.
02:46:23.000Oh yeah, it's almost like a mantle or a cloak they put on of invisibility to themselves.
02:46:27.000And I mean, I've seen cops arresting protesters for no reason, doing bad things, and they go, well, it's my job.
02:46:32.000No, your job is to uphold the Constitution and Bill of Rights you swore to.
02:46:36.000Richard and then Clint and then Kyles, all we got time for.
02:46:41.000Let's go ahead and talk to Richard in Texas.
02:46:42.000You're on the air with David Ray Griffin.
02:46:46.000Along those same lines in terms of how people get caught up in this stuff, I don't know if either of you have seen the film The Good Shepherd.
02:46:53.000It's a Matt Damon film and recently came out in the rental stores.
02:47:06.000He walks out of the initiation rites because he gets urinated on, but then he's talked by a senior member into coming back in, ultimately is caught up in the CIA, and all of the compromising things that happen to him where he keeps making the decision to stay involved with this thing and ultimately just and all of the compromising things that happen to him where he keeps making the decision to stay involved with this thing and Do you have a question or comment for the guests?
02:47:32.000Well, one thing I'd like to find out about is your feeling about the polls that are going on.
02:47:36.000You know, I think the situation, whether it's 9-11 or Ron Paul, you know, there's a lot of Internet activists and it's a wonderful sign to see us doing this great job of spreading the word and voting for these things, but to me it's skewed somewhat by the fact that the activists are so good at getting the word around.
02:47:55.000I've done Over 4,000 interviews on radio and liberal conservative Christian stations, and I found it's even much better than what the polls show.
02:48:40.000We'll be right back with two final calls for David Ray Grevin.
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02:52:21.000Alex, I just wanted to say I appreciate the work you and David do.
02:52:25.000I was watching the interview last night on Webster Tarpley, and it just seems like there's a blackout on the fact that Marvin Bush was very involved in the security at the World Trade Center and the admission that Silverstein made on TV, and it just seemed like it really would have turned the tide on that interview, and I was jumping up and down and, say it, say it, say it, but he never said it.
02:52:48.000Is there a blackout about that subject?
02:53:27.000Well, you know, they're not the same in a lot of respects, but on certain vital issues you won't find the left speaking out.
02:53:39.000That's what I meant on warmongering and elitism, yeah.
02:53:43.000Yeah, and certainly on 9-11, I deal with a number of journalists in my book, and most of them are from the left, and they've been worse than mainstream journalists on this issue.
02:54:06.000The question I have is, I've been on internet forums arguing back and forth with people about 9-11 truth and the plausibility of the buildings falling due to jet fires and all that, or jet fuel fires and all that, and one of the arguments I haven't been able to rebuttal as effectively as I would like to is, some people are like, well you don't know... Just go ahead and put it out, go ahead and put it out.
02:54:32.000People are like, well, you don't know what else is in the building, what could have been contributing to those fires, and I know personally that the buildings had a certain fire code, but I just don't know how to... Okay, this is how you counter, and we'll get Devin Ray Griffin's comment.
02:54:45.000So, yeah, maybe there was, you know, dragons in there.
02:55:10.000We have scientific temperature ratios and we know with seven.
02:55:14.000Then on tower one and two, you have the big columns and you have people leaning out right where columns are suddenly severed whose skin isn't burning but giant steel beams are.
02:55:26.000Well, the other thing you can say Because even if these scenarios were true, that these were towering infernals, and even if they were 1800 degrees Fahrenheit, as hot as they could possibly get, the building still would not have come down.
02:55:43.000And particularly building, you know, the South Tower collapses in 56 seconds, 56 minutes.
02:55:50.000Look, no modern steel building's ever done it.
02:55:52.000I mean, they can always make excuses about how the magic bullet changed directions four times and wasn't damaged and shot through metal and bone and, you know, then flew to Pluto and back and then, you know, resurrected, uh, you know, Timbuktu.
02:56:05.000Uh, listen, I appreciate your question.