Alex Jones Show - 20071120_Tue

00:00:01.000 Big Brother.

00:00:07.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:10.000 You want answers?

00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:14.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:18.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:23.000 The globalists are racing to the finish line, attempting to set up open dictatorship in this nation.

00:00:32.000 Many conservatives, libertarians, and classical liberals ...are upset about it.

00:00:36.000 Naomi Wolf's book, The End of America, has gotten a lot of traction with her 10 Steps Towards Total Tyranny, an actual blueprint that our government teaches at the School of Americas to countries around the world, not just Latin America.

00:00:49.000 But she gets it wrong in that it isn't just the Republicans that are doing this.

00:00:54.000 This is a system-wide, five-decade-long movement, now coming to a head like a festering scrofulous.

00:01:04.000 Scrofuli.

00:01:07.000 And we're going to break this down today.

00:01:08.000 It's been a lot of time on Marshall Law.

00:01:11.000 Who is joining us today but Fritz Wenzel.

00:01:16.000 He is the Head Analyst at Zogby International and their Director of Communications.

00:01:21.000 They normally don't put out their reports until about a week after, but those that buy the polls are welcome to put that out.

00:01:28.000 But because they've gotten so many phone calls asking, is our poll real?

00:01:31.000 Does it exist?

00:01:33.000 That he's going to come on the show today and talk about the poll that we conducted, and tomorrow they're going to rush a summary, instead of putting it out this Friday, they're going to put it out tomorrow about the Ron Paul poll.

00:01:46.000 And I had no idea they were going to ask so many other questions.

00:01:48.000 I guess that's just what they do.

00:01:49.000 They take an opportunity with another poll to add more info.

00:01:53.000 We're going to tell you all the areas that Ron Paul won in.

00:01:56.000 Ron Paul, hands down, won in every category with NASCAR fans.

00:02:01.000 Ron Paul won in every religious category.

00:02:04.000 Ron Paul wins by double digits with religious voters across the board in Zogby Poll.

00:02:10.000 Ron Paul wins Zogby Blind Poll.

00:02:13.000 Nationwide, as well, where they just read his bio to them, next to the other people's bios.

00:02:19.000 These are basically the campaign bios.

00:02:21.000 Romney and others were even stronger in their polls, in their questions, leaning towards them than Paul.

00:02:28.000 But Paul still won, hands down.

00:02:29.000 It's got a lot of attention.

00:02:30.000 It got 1,200 digs by last night.

00:02:32.000 Usually 100 digs puts it on the front page, but Dig itself censored it.

00:02:36.000 But it doesn't matter.

00:02:36.000 We're going to continue to put dig links up on our stories to educate everyone about their censorship.

00:02:44.000 See, we don't give up.

00:02:44.000 We just lean against you.

00:02:46.000 Kind of like the Founding Fathers did, losing, I don't know, more than 20 battles, actually, in a row before they started winning them.

00:02:53.000 Now, you see, we just don't stop.

00:02:54.000 We just continue like piranha to attack, because you're attacking us.

00:02:59.000 You're bringing in your New World Order.

00:03:01.000 You're trying to destroy our liberties, and we are not going to stop.

00:03:03.000 We have just begun to fight, and I hope that's clear to all the New World Order people out there that listen to this show.

00:03:10.000 You attacked us.

00:03:11.000 You're destroying our liberties and our freedoms.

00:03:13.000 You're systematically dismantling our republic.

00:03:16.000 Everyone sees it now.

00:03:17.000 I mean, it's widespread.

00:03:19.000 There are hundreds of commentators and former CIA officials and governors and everybody else saying we're going into total tyranny.

00:03:26.000 It is as plain as the nose on your face that this is happening.

00:03:33.000 So, we'll be going over all of that today as well.

00:03:37.000 Uh, Fritz Wenzel joining us coming up in the middle of the next hour.

00:03:40.000 Uh, the head of Zogby's Communications and their Chief Analyst.

00:03:46.000 And, um... Aaron just walked in and handed me some new information.

00:03:54.000 And then we have Ed Asner.

00:03:56.000 He's been on a couple times with us in the past.

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00:04:06.000 He will be coming on to talk about 9-11 Truth, the police state, the whole New World Order system in the third hour today.

00:04:13.000 It is the 20th day of November, 2007. 2007.

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00:08:20.000 We just talked to the head analyst at Zogby this morning.

00:08:24.000 We talked to him last night, yesterday afternoon, and he said that he would have a report out tomorrow morning for us.

00:08:32.000 Someone else may have put this out at Zogby.

00:08:34.000 We've got Mr. Wenzel coming up.

00:08:38.000 But I have to say, it's an amazing spin, but we'll talk to him.

00:08:42.000 There were three major questions, and we posted those.

00:08:45.000 And when people were given Ron Paul's bio, and the congressman from Texas, and this is his policies, he won by double-digit leads in every category of religious voters except Jewish.

00:08:55.000 He won there too, but 17% instead of 33%.

00:08:58.000 The others were all undecided.

00:09:02.000 He won with NASCAR.

00:09:04.000 Why they asked that, I don't know.

00:09:05.000 He won with He won with military families.

00:09:09.000 He won with internet users.

00:09:12.000 He won with conservatives, liberals, with moderates, because they were asking who they were.

00:09:18.000 I mean, he won just incredible, hands down victory in two of the three questions.

00:09:24.000 Now, in one of the questions, just on name recognition, Giuliani won.

00:09:31.000 And we, of course, reported on that yesterday.

00:09:35.000 But what do they focus on at Zogby?

00:09:38.000 I go pay for this poll, I make it, quote, fair, which the other polls aren't.

00:09:43.000 People write up how they want to make who they want win.

00:09:45.000 I just did it with a blind poll saying, here's their policies, here are your four, and Ron Paul wins with incredible numbers.

00:09:52.000 And what does Zogby do?

00:09:53.000 This is now on Zogby's website, folks.

00:09:55.000 Paul Watts and everybody, I need an instant response to this, but I'm not going to attack them and call it spin and stuff.

00:09:59.000 I want to get their guy on.

00:10:02.000 Zogby poll, Giuliani, Leads among Republicans in latest blind bio survey.

00:10:09.000 That's not true!

00:10:10.000 Hey Aaron, come in here!

00:10:12.000 I just started reading this like in the minute before we went on air.

00:10:17.000 We have to call that spin.

00:10:21.000 Because he won in the blind bio survey.

00:10:24.000 But that's crazy!

00:10:30.000 No, it was his name.

00:10:31.000 He won when they asked about Republican, uh, you know, who would they go for in the primary.

00:10:37.000 Giuliani won.

00:10:38.000 But then when they asked him about policies, they said they'd vote for Ron Paul.

00:10:42.000 So, Watson, I hope you're listening.

00:10:44.000 Zogby Poll.

00:10:45.000 Giuliani leads among Republicans in latest blind biosurvey.

00:10:52.000 They made a mistake.

00:10:52.000 They rushed this out.

00:10:55.000 Holy mackerel.

00:10:58.000 I've got I don't think this is a mistake.

00:11:01.000 the next hour, but I'm tempted just to get him on now.

00:11:04.000 I tell you what, I don't want to bug him too much before I talk to him twice this morning.

00:11:07.000 He just called back.

00:11:08.000 He missed his call.

00:11:08.000 Aaron up for airtime.

00:11:09.000 Maybe that's what he called about.

00:11:11.000 You need to call him and go, you guys may not want to admit a mistake here, but I don't think this is a mistake, man.

00:11:18.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:11:19.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:11:21.000 Giuliani leads among Republicans in latest blind bio survey.

00:11:25.000 He did not.

00:11:26.000 Survey pitched resumes of former New York Mayor against those of Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, and Fred Thompson.

00:11:32.000 Former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's long the favorite in nationwide samples of Latin Republican voters in 2008 for the party's presidential nomination has the strongest resume of the four top contenders A new Zogby International Survey shows.

00:11:49.000 That's not true!

00:11:50.000 Yeah, go ahead and call Wenzel up.

00:11:54.000 Yeah.

00:11:55.000 Just say, get a comment from him.

00:11:58.000 The survey, known as a Blind Bio Poll, likely voters are given details of the candidates' resumes without their names attached, shows Giuliani wins 34% compared to 22%, each for Thompson and Romney.

00:12:09.000 Paul, who had served recently in the polls as a significant online following, came in last With 13% support, while 9% said they were undecided on the question?

00:12:22.000 Only those four candidates were included in the question.

00:12:24.000 We have the question, which was commissioned by Jones Productions, a media company based in Austin, Texas.

00:12:29.000 The survey included 389 likely Republican primary and caucus voters, and was conducted... Oh, they sub... Aaron!

00:12:37.000 I've got them!

00:12:37.000 They subsampled!

00:12:39.000 They pulled just...

00:12:41.000 Uh, what they called, uh, extremely conservative.

00:12:45.000 They sub-sampled out of a thousand and spun that, because out of that sub-sample, Giuliani won!

00:12:51.000 Man, there is no end!

00:12:53.000 You pay for a fair poll, you pay $4,300 for it, this has all been a great education for everybody.

00:13:02.000 Oh my gosh, this is absolutely mind-blowing.

00:13:04.000 This is ab-so-lutely mind-blowing.

00:13:09.000 The blind bio question was also posed to a larger pool.

00:13:13.000 There's the spin!

00:13:14.000 See, I hadn't read this yet.

00:13:16.000 Ha ha ha!

00:13:18.000 Man, this is amazing!

00:13:20.000 It won't matter, though.

00:13:21.000 First, when EOCON said my poll wasn't real yesterday, we made it up.

00:13:24.000 Even though Zogby's policies say they issue it, and then it's up to you to put it out if you want, and they decide if they want to.

00:13:31.000 Then they said it wasn't real.

00:13:33.000 And then now they're going to say, oh, it's real, look, Ron Paul lost with 13%.

00:13:37.000 But the truth is, they took one small demographic, where Giuliani won.

00:13:42.000 See, I thought it was the other question, the one question Paul lost, out of all the questions.

00:13:46.000 It wasn't that.

00:13:48.000 You're getting behind the scenes right here, okay?

00:13:53.000 Sit down, turn your mic on.

00:13:56.000 This is unbelievable.

00:13:57.000 There is never an end to any of it.

00:14:00.000 I am just completely blown away right now.

00:14:03.000 Aaron, this is staggering.

00:14:05.000 So we're talking about it in a survey with multiple dozens of demographic categories.

00:14:10.000 They've zoned in on the conservative and very conservative.

00:14:13.000 Definite headline.

00:14:14.000 There's no debating it.

00:14:15.000 Zogby spun this in mega overdrive.

00:14:17.000 We pay for a fair poll.

00:14:19.000 We publish all the questions.

00:14:20.000 People can see how fair it was.

00:14:22.000 So you notice you never see the polls, folks.

00:14:24.000 You see Or if people leak them, you see them.

00:14:27.000 We put the poll out, the raw poll data out.

00:14:29.000 The public's so dumb, they can't even believe it's real.

00:14:32.000 And then by the time we actually get this data, we see the spin.

00:14:35.000 Let me just read the rest of this, and then I want you to comment.

00:14:39.000 Now listen to this.

00:14:40.000 The first thing they tell you, Giuliani wins.

00:14:42.000 Out of 389 likely Republican primaries or caucus voters.

00:14:45.000 Okay?

00:14:46.000 Well, they kept saying, we want Republicans.

00:14:48.000 I said, well, just everybody.

00:14:49.000 I just want a poll.

00:14:50.000 Can I please have that?

00:14:50.000 Of everybody.

00:14:51.000 They said, oh yeah.

00:14:52.000 That didn't stop them, though, from sampling out.

00:14:55.000 So out of 1,000 plus, they pulled 389.

00:14:57.000 And by the way, we have the numbers.

00:15:00.000 That was extremely conservative.

00:15:02.000 There's a spin there.

00:15:03.000 And it goes on.

00:15:04.000 The Blind Bio question was also posed to a larger pool of 1,009 likely voters nationwide, including Democrats and Independents.

00:15:12.000 And Paul was the big winner among the universe of voters.

00:15:16.000 Winning 33% compared to 19% for Giuliani, 15% for Romney, and 13% for Thompson.

00:15:23.000 See?

00:15:23.000 To all you neocons on Dig and Free Republic, you accused me of lying and putting out a fake poll!

00:15:30.000 You think I would just make something up?

00:15:35.000 I told you the preachers over a year and a half ago were being trained for martial law and now it's mainstream news.

00:15:39.000 To take your guns, you idiots!

00:15:41.000 You're not real conservatives.

00:15:43.000 You're like football fans that pick a team.

00:15:46.000 Well, my team's America and the Bill of Rights and Constitution, not that piece of trash Hillary or Bush or any of these people!

00:15:56.000 I'm going to calm down, folks.

00:15:57.000 See, they just walked in a minute before break and I read this thing about Giuliani wins poll, so I thought, whoa, did they just spin it for that one piece of the poll?

00:16:06.000 One question out of all these questions?

00:16:07.000 And I thought, no.

00:16:08.000 And then I read down, and to explain this calmly, they went and they See, and they told me, oh, we have a special pool of Republicans we poll.

00:16:19.000 These are all a bunch of little, little, little lapdogs.

00:16:21.000 They admit it.

00:16:22.000 It's a special little group.

00:16:23.000 They go to people and call numbers they already knew what the answer would be, just so they could then screw up my poll, and then say that Giuliani won.

00:16:32.000 When this is huge news, that Ron Paul won a nationwide poll!

00:16:38.000 Aaron, does this make... I mean, this is incredible!

00:16:40.000 Well, yeah, they're saying the sign of success is the shrinking GOP, quote, base of the conservative and ultra-conservative, when that's split wide open from the... But then they expose religious conservatives and want Ron Paul won!

00:16:54.000 See, that's the headline.

00:16:55.000 Folks, the headlines on this are Ron Paul wins every religious group.

00:16:59.000 I mean, non-Christian, Christian, born again, Catholic, Conservative, Protestant was one of the... Go get all your numbers.

00:17:07.000 I want to read these on there again for people.

00:17:09.000 This is the raw Zogby data.

00:17:12.000 And we do a fair poll.

00:17:16.000 And they said, oh, this is a very fair poll.

00:17:18.000 We rarely see people actually wanting to ask these questions.

00:17:21.000 These are excellent questions.

00:17:26.000 survey pits resumes of former New York mayor against those of Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, and Fred Thompson.

00:17:32.000 But then they report with the headline about a sub-survey within the larger poll, and they give three big, fat, juicy paragraphs to Giuliani, and then one at the end.

00:17:44.000 So let me read this.

00:17:45.000 Former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani, long the favorite in national samples of black and Republican voters in the 2008 race for the party's presidential nomination, has the strongest resume of the four top contenders, and who Zogby International poll shows.

00:18:01.000 And all of this is true because it's spinning!

00:18:04.000 You see?

00:18:05.000 Because they're looking at one tiny area.

00:18:07.000 The survey, known as the Blind Bio-Poll, because likely voters are given details of the candidates, and I told them I wanted that, and they go, oh, you know about those?

00:18:17.000 Resumes without their names attached show Giuliani wins 34% compared to 22% for Thompson and Romney.

00:18:23.000 Ron Paul, who has surged recently in polls and had a significant online following, came in last with 13% support, while 9% said they were undecided on the question.

00:18:34.000 Only those four candidates were included in the question, which was commissioned by Jones Productions, a media company based in Austin, Texas, because those are clearly the four frontrunners.

00:18:41.000 That's why I put them out there.

00:18:43.000 In money-raising and everything.

00:18:45.000 The survey included 300... And by the way, Zogby now has Paul III in New Hampshire, by the way.

00:18:50.000 The survey included 389 likely Republican primary or caucus voters, and was conducted November 14, 17, 2007.

00:18:56.000 It carries a margin of error of plus or minus 5.1 percentage points.

00:19:01.000 The Blind Bio was also opposed to a larger poll.

00:19:04.000 Yeah, that's my poll!

00:19:06.000 I asked for that poll!

00:19:07.000 I say, Blind Bio, everybody!

00:19:09.000 And they go, is it alright if we sample Republicans?

00:19:12.000 And I went, well, who are they?

00:19:13.000 Well, it's a group we call.

00:19:14.000 And I said, is it like Party Faithful, Hacks and Will?

00:19:19.000 Is it old people and landlines who don't have internet?

00:19:21.000 Yes.

00:19:22.000 She was reading me numbers.

00:19:23.000 I go, well, alright.

00:19:23.000 Well, they don't really.

00:19:25.000 At least we'll just say that we polled the hardest group.

00:19:27.000 But we polled that group and he actually won in the blind poll!

00:19:30.000 Folks, this is incredible.

00:19:32.000 The Blind Bio question was also posed to a larger pool of 1,009 likely nationwide voters, including Democrats and Independents, and Paul was the big winner among the universe of voters, winning 33% compared to 19% for Giuliani, 15% for Romney, and 13% for Thompson.

00:19:46.000 Look, I mean, well, you can see what this is for yourselves.

00:19:53.000 We'll come back with Aaron commenting.

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00:23:53.000 if the line is busy please keep trying to call back that number again is 888-213-1455 all right let me be very calm about this I paid for a poll and I said I want this as fair as possible.

00:24:12.000 I want it of all likely voters.

00:24:15.000 And that's what they polled.

00:24:19.000 Then they put out a spin because Ron Paul won the poll.

00:24:22.000 They admit that in the last paragraph and decide to focus on conservative Republicans, the one group that Ron Paul lost in.

00:24:32.000 But by the way, he won in all the other questions with conservative Republicans at the highest number.

00:24:37.000 Evangelicals, born-agains, that coveted group.

00:24:40.000 Remember how it was huge news a month and a half ago when they had a national scientific poll, they have it every election, every two years, off-year-end presidential, of the Evangelical caucus of Christian conservatives, and Ron Paul came in third.

00:24:55.000 I think he got 14%.

00:24:56.000 Pull it up, folks.

00:24:56.000 I'm going from memory.

00:24:57.000 I'm asking my writers to get on this.

00:25:00.000 He came in third.

00:25:01.000 It was huge news.

00:25:04.000 Huge news that they're waking up.

00:25:07.000 That's 50 million Americans, a key base for the Republicans.

00:25:12.000 Now, why would Zogby not have that amongst eligible voters in the United States, likely voters, Ron Paul wins by double digits?

00:25:22.000 That's our headline.

00:25:24.000 That's what it says.

00:25:26.000 And then later we did say, oh, but he lost amongst those that call themselves very conservative.

00:25:31.000 We have the numbers.

00:25:32.000 I want them all published, by the way.

00:25:34.000 I know we put a lot of them out.

00:25:35.000 I gave them to put them all out, but Paul's taking screenshots, I guess, to simplify it in certain key areas.

00:25:39.000 I mean, he won NASCAR.

00:25:41.000 He won non-Christians.

00:25:42.000 He won Christians.

00:25:43.000 He won Catholics.

00:25:44.000 He won every group.

00:25:46.000 He won among Democrats, Independents, Conservatives.

00:25:49.000 He did not win amongst very conservative.

00:25:53.000 Aaron, give them the numbers.

00:25:55.000 So this is a breakdown of ideology and then we also have a breakdown of party.

00:26:01.000 And under ideology they have it sort of spread across the left or right spectrum.

00:26:05.000 Progressive, liberal, moderate, conservative, very conservative, libertarian.

00:26:11.000 And the reason they're probably focusing in on this conservative, very conservative, is it is that kind of right-of-center, heavy bloc.

00:26:21.000 And they were polling for more conservatives in this poll, so it doesn't mean there's more conservatives out there.

00:26:26.000 They actually found there's about 38%.

00:26:27.000 They had to over-sample just to get 38, yeah.

00:26:30.000 Yeah, generally they found there's about 38% hardcore Democrats.

00:26:34.000 36% hardcore Republicans with an independent... And because we're in a realignment, it used to be about 10%, now it's the vast majority.

00:26:42.000 Which is why Ron Paul can beat Hillary.

00:26:45.000 And the poll showed that across the board he would beat Hillary.

00:26:48.000 That's the headline we should have been putting out.

00:26:50.000 Yeah, and that's what this poll reflects as well, that while Rudy Giuliani, who, we were talking about resume, he doesn't have a conservative resume, but He does have name recognition among the conservatives.

00:27:02.000 That's why he's the frontrunner.

00:27:04.000 They've been shoving him down our throats here.

00:27:07.000 But you can see by party that he is overwhelmingly supported by all the Democrats polled in this thing, which was over 380, the 38% number.

00:27:15.000 He has 46% of that support in this theoretical primary here.

00:27:17.000 number is 46% of that support in this theoretical primary here.

00:27:23.000 46% amongst Democrats.

00:27:26.000 When the vote is split.

00:27:28.000 That's not a general election where he'd be going head-to-head in theory with Hillary, where he would just dominate.

00:27:33.000 He'd get the Republicans in, he'd get the Democrats and Libertarians.

00:27:35.000 Total victory.

00:27:36.000 He's the only man that can be Hillary.

00:27:38.000 And then there's another 30% outstanding of undecided vote that's all up for grabs.

00:27:43.000 It doesn't go to the other candidates.

00:27:45.000 They're all under double digits except for Mitt Romney in that poll.

00:27:49.000 And Republicans, Ron Paul is doing better than he is in the ordinary national polls.

00:27:56.000 He has 15%.

00:27:58.000 And Giuliani has twice that with his name recognition.

00:28:01.000 That's the victory.

00:28:03.000 The point is, when a fair poll was finally asked, Ron Paul won in, there's got to be 15, 20, 30 questions per main question.

00:28:12.000 I don't know how many questions total, but the point is he really won 98% of them.

00:28:18.000 Yeah.

00:28:18.000 He dominates the poll, and they put out a press release about Romney winning one subgroup.

00:28:23.000 The point is, we wanted a poll of the general electorate across the board.

00:28:28.000 That's what I asked for, and what do I get is their spin out of it about how great Giuliani is, but at the end they say, the Blind Bio question was also posed to a larger pool of 1,009 likely voters nationwide, including Democrats and Independents, and Paul was the big winner among the universe of voters, winning 33% compared to 19% for Giuliani, 15% for Romney, and 13% for Thompson.

00:28:47.000 Double digits against these yahoos.

00:28:49.000 Yeah, that's the key.

00:28:51.000 Double digits!

00:28:52.000 The middle ground independent party, which is 26% of this vote, he is 37.7% one point away from a 20 point lead on Giuliani.

00:29:03.000 It's ridiculous.

00:29:04.000 Exactly.

00:29:05.000 Okay, so understand ladies and gentlemen, this shows, if you stack it up against Hillary's numbers, who's very unpopular, with like a 25% approval rating with Republicans and Democrats, Ron Paul would clean her clock.

00:29:15.000 The question this raises is Ron Paul vs. Hillary or Giuliani vs. Hillary.

00:29:20.000 It's no question.

00:29:21.000 Ron Paul is a uniter, not a divider.

00:29:23.000 It's true.

00:29:23.000 It's not rhetoric.

00:29:25.000 This poll shows he literally unites every seat in America.

00:29:27.000 And this is the bottom line.

00:29:28.000 Executive summary here, ladies and gentlemen.

00:29:30.000 Executive summary is that National Poll Shows Ron Paul is the winner, Zogby spins and focuses on subgroup that went for Giuliani.

00:29:41.000 I mean, that is the bottom line.

00:29:43.000 That is the bottom line of what's happened.

00:29:44.000 38% of moderates.

00:29:46.000 38%.

00:29:47.000 A whopping lead.

00:29:49.000 We'll be right back.

00:29:51.000 We're on the march.

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00:33:12.000 We didn't even talk about how he won in every minority group with giant whopping double-digit, in some cases, 20-point leads.

00:33:20.000 We didn't talk about, in any detail, Giuliani's at NASCAR yesterday and everybody hates him.

00:33:25.000 In this poll, Giuliani got destroyed and Rob Hall won with NASCAR voters.

00:33:30.000 Because they asked him that question.

00:33:32.000 Uh, he won with every major religious group and every Christian sect, from Catholics to Conservative Protestants to Born Again to Evangelicals.

00:33:40.000 He won everywhere, but with Conservative voters in a sub-poll.

00:33:48.000 And what did Zogby go with?

00:33:49.000 They went with that headline.

00:33:50.000 This is huge news.

00:33:51.000 Here's the stories at truthnews.us, prisonplanet.com, infowars.net.

00:33:55.000 I want you to go get these stories if you're sick of the censorship, the spinning.

00:33:58.000 We didn't spin this.

00:33:59.000 We posted the data.

00:34:00.000 We showed what it was.

00:34:02.000 We tried to do a straight-up poll, and it's been spun right out of our hands.

00:34:08.000 It's just unbelievable.

00:34:09.000 In the last paragraph they say, oh by the way, Ron Paul won the general poll all across the board, but we're going to tell you all about Giuliani.

00:34:16.000 I want you to go to PrisonPlanet.com and I want you to get all these articles and I want you to go absolutely berserk.

00:34:22.000 You've got 1,200 digs, 100 if you put it on the main page where hundreds of thousands would have seen it and they buried it.

00:34:26.000 Not the members, the administration.

00:34:29.000 This is the type of stuff we go through on a daily basis.

00:34:32.000 We're going to go through all these numbers, you can hear them for yourself.

00:34:35.000 Aaron's going to do another report.

00:34:36.000 I need smart listeners.

00:34:37.000 You see these data.

00:34:38.000 Other news writers.

00:34:39.000 Go take our data.

00:34:40.000 Don't even give us credit.

00:34:41.000 I don't care.

00:34:42.000 It's a Zogby poll.

00:34:43.000 Go do your own articles.

00:34:44.000 He has won a national poll, hands down, in every demographic but one.

00:34:49.000 And he showed a whopping 15% there.

00:34:52.000 And they say 13% in their crunch.

00:34:54.000 And they even get their sample number wrong.

00:34:56.000 And we got the guy from Zogby coming on.

00:34:58.000 I'm going to talk to him about this.

00:35:00.000 I mean, at least they admitted he won the general poll.

00:35:02.000 Okay, he's a great sponsor, and this is something because we're, everything, food's up 15%, all your oil product things, that's where your detergents and all these toxic things come from, have more than doubled in the last three years, oil prices surging, I don't have to tell you about that.

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00:40:25.000 Oh man.

00:40:26.000 Marty, we're going to let you go here in just a moment.

00:40:29.000 I know you've got to go, but I wanted to bring this up.

00:40:34.000 I mean, we're serious when we say that big petrochemical companies literally bought up and bought into the soap companies and took them over in the last... When did the shift happen to this toxic waste versus, you know, just plant and, you know, vegetable and fruit essence?

00:40:53.000 From 1947 to 1950, the conversion of eliminating all soaps, real soaps from the marketplace, And converting them over to detergents, petrochemical detergents.

00:41:08.000 Now you were in the Chemical Corps, was that the Army Chemical Corps?

00:41:12.000 Yes.

00:41:13.000 For two years I was in charge of the chemical depot in Japan.

00:41:19.000 I learned all about the chemicals that we were going to use in World War II.

00:41:24.000 And I got a tremendous amount of knowledge.

00:41:26.000 But here's my question to you so I can understand this.

00:41:28.000 Because I've read the history and I know quite a bit.

00:41:30.000 I want you as an expert to tell me if I'm right.

00:41:32.000 I've been in the soap business for 60 years and the chemical weapons business before that.

00:41:36.000 From the knowledge I have that they built up all these war industries and the war ended and they had all these factories for munitions production and oil production and all the rest of it and so they then lobbied with Congress and the rest of it to shift those over and to take over the soap industry and to replace it with chemicals.

00:41:53.000 At the same time they had the literally millions of tons of sodium and stannous fluoride from aluminum and weapons manufacturing That's exactly what happened.

00:42:02.000 munitions and fertilizer manufacturing, so they passed an edict to put it in the water, kind of like they take DU, a byproduct of reactors, and put it in weapons.

00:42:09.000 So they just made an industry out of a toxic waste.

00:42:13.000 Is that accurate?

00:42:14.000 That's exactly what happened.

00:42:16.000 It got so bad that in 1965, detergents were to be outlawed throughout the United States, and the chemical and detergent industry paid off Congress and the Senate and said, well, let us as the industry take care of the problem of pollution of our waterways.

00:42:38.000 And then all they did was water it down so it doesn't even work.

00:42:41.000 But then they called it a new word.

00:42:42.000 They called it biodegradable.

00:42:45.000 A fictitious word saying that all these chemicals will break down.

00:42:50.000 Ain't so!

00:42:51.000 I gotta get you on as an actual guest sometime, Marty, just to give us your knowledge, and I can dig up the documents and let folks know.

00:42:57.000 Well, I'd love to share all this information for you, including how detergents got created from Nazi Germany, and how it's progressed throughout history.

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00:43:09.000 Thank you.

00:43:10.000 Talk to you soon, Alex.

00:43:14.000 Take care, my friend.

00:43:14.000 Yeah, we get him up once a month.

00:43:15.000 He's a great sponsor.

00:43:17.000 And, uh, you notice, you know, I just gave you the history of it, because I've seen films, read books on it, studied it.

00:43:23.000 See, the globalists are monopoly men.

00:43:24.000 They come in, they engineer a whole new movement, a whole shift, a quote, a new technology, and it's generally just to put some toxic waste in your food, water, or other products.

00:43:34.000 And that's what they do now.

00:43:35.000 This whole, you know, they're saying the ocean's dying and everybody's dead and the earth's gonna die, big UN report.

00:43:40.000 And you actually read the UN report, they say, oh no, there's no evidence to this.

00:43:43.000 But the headline's what people read.

00:43:45.000 See, it's all about the spin machine.

00:43:47.000 And now there's a full court public relations advertising campaign, and they'll tell you that they know this stuff works.

00:43:53.000 That's why they have so much of it, to tell you the earth is dying, they've gotta save the earth, with hundreds of new regulations and taxes.

00:44:01.000 But then China, India, Mexico, and 163 other third world nations have to make zero cuts.

00:44:08.000 What will that do to all the rest of the jobs we've got left?

00:44:10.000 They'll totally leave.

00:44:11.000 They'll have to leave.

00:44:13.000 And by the way, where in the UN report do they say the ocean is acidifying, by the way, from the detergents, and they even admit that?

00:44:19.000 It's off the coast of China, off the coast of India.

00:44:23.000 There are some problems in the oceans with these rivers, with all this toxic waste, and a big part of it's your detergents!

00:44:28.000 It's petrochemicals!

00:44:29.000 Alright, I'm already getting off the subject, ladies and gentlemen.

00:44:32.000 It's just, to have this knowledge, and to want to warn people.

00:44:36.000 They're gonna do nothing about all this toxic stuff they sell us.

00:44:40.000 Nothing about real problems of the environment.

00:44:42.000 It kills us, too.

00:44:42.000 We're mammals.

00:44:43.000 It hurts us.

00:44:44.000 It makes us sick.

00:44:46.000 I'm a real environmentalist.

00:44:47.000 But they take all your environmental energies, and they give you disinfo.

00:44:52.000 Alright, alright.

00:44:52.000 I'm going to try to be calm here for the next 15 minutes of this hour, then I'm getting into police state news, then we'll get back into the polls, and we've got the head of Zogby coming on, the head of their relations, and our head statistician coming on, but then we've got legendary actor of stage, screen, TV, coming up at Asner in the third hour today.

00:45:15.000 I also have little stories like this one.

00:45:17.000 Fox host says the center should be tased, beaten to bloody pulps.

00:45:22.000 We're going to be playing that audio.

00:45:24.000 And this ties into what Naomi Wolf and everybody else are saying.

00:45:27.000 They're openly setting up dictatorship.

00:45:29.000 And they're selling you.

00:45:30.000 It's a talking point.

00:45:31.000 And so a whole new phase of this.

00:45:34.000 Okay, I'm going to settle down.

00:45:35.000 Paul Watson's listening.

00:45:36.000 We're all doing analysis together right now.

00:45:38.000 Aaron has been quietly working over there with all the numbers.

00:45:41.000 Aaron, I have to say you're a real asset around here.

00:45:44.000 Give our writers the facts.

00:45:45.000 They'll double-check and vet it all.

00:45:47.000 They're all listening right now because we've got to do a counter-strike against this spin.

00:45:52.000 Give people the facts of what just happened with this Zogby poll.

00:46:01.000 For those that just joined us, Zogby Let me just explain calmly.

00:46:06.000 Last week, I paid $4,300, and I wanted three simple questions.

00:46:11.000 By the time they were done with it, it was this gigantic poll.

00:46:13.000 We had to have them change a bunch of stuff to, quote, make it fair.

00:46:16.000 I was leaning towards the other candidates in ridiculous ways.

00:46:20.000 I went with Zai because they're the most well-known and most respected next to Gallup.

00:46:23.000 I'm probably going to buy Gallup.

00:46:24.000 By the way, we just got a donation, so I'm going to buy Gallup.

00:46:26.000 They're pretty expensive, or even more.

00:46:28.000 I'm going to buy Gallup in the next few weeks.

00:46:32.000 And thank you, listener, by the way.

00:46:35.000 I was actually having discussions here at the office and people wanted Christmas bonuses and wanted me to buy another poll for Ron Paul.

00:46:43.000 And we're going to be publishing the poll in its entirety.

00:46:48.000 We've already published big pieces of it.

00:46:51.000 And first off, people said it wasn't a real poll and we just made this up.

00:46:55.000 Yeah, I would commit Harry Carey on the radio and the web.

00:46:58.000 I would just make things up.

00:46:59.000 Folks, do you know if I get up here and say Bear knowingly put AIDS virus and let AIDS virus be in there, uh, Factor VIII for 10 years knowingly and I have their own documents, that I wouldn't just get here and say it if I was lying, I'd be sued into oblivion?

00:47:12.000 You know, if I get up here and say that the head of a defense language school went public and said that the government trained Al-Qaeda at their bases, it was NAP and San Jose Mercury News, do you think I would just make that up?

00:47:23.000 We don't make anything up!

00:47:26.000 In fact, nine times out of ten, things are worse than I say!

00:47:30.000 Because I don't know everything, I can't ever grasp all of it, and every time we learn more, it's always worse!

00:47:36.000 Never better!

00:47:36.000 Always worse!

00:47:38.000 Always worse!

00:47:39.000 Alright, I'm really mad, I'm gonna settle down.

00:47:41.000 Hold on.

00:47:44.000 Here are the basic facts.

00:47:45.000 We go out and we have one thousand and nine people polled, and then even more, because they oversampled and asked more to get a third Republicans.

00:47:54.000 They get a third Republicans.

00:47:58.000 Conservative Republicans is how they call themselves, and Giuliani did win that, but Ron Paul got a 15%.

00:48:04.000 Zogby says it's 13.

00:48:05.000 And you've got all the numbers.

00:48:08.000 Correct me if any of these are wrong, Aaron.

00:48:09.000 You're right over there with it.

00:48:10.000 You're my navigator.

00:48:13.000 Fact checker.

00:48:13.000 Double, you know, double brain over there.

00:48:17.000 Whatever you want to call it.

00:48:17.000 Editor.

00:48:19.000 We all edit each other's stuff.

00:48:20.000 We all oversee everybody here to make sure we're putting out the best info.

00:48:23.000 We try as hard as we can to bring you the most vital, most correct information.

00:48:28.000 And so he wins in all these demographics.

00:48:30.000 Blacks, Hispanics, Women, Liberals, Moderates, Libertarians.

00:48:37.000 Hi, this is David.

00:48:38.000 I have a presentation for the Memphis District Attorney's Office.

00:48:42.000 There are no public comments in the attempt.

00:48:45.000 Okay, somebody broke in on our broadcast.

00:48:56.000 Reconnect right now.

00:48:57.000 Reconnect right now.

00:49:27.000 Reconnect right now.

00:49:46.000 You're not supposed to be able to have two ISDNs dial into the same double line ISDN.

00:49:51.000 That's supposedly impossible, I've been told by IT people in the telephone company.

00:49:56.000 Now, years ago, I guess it was in 1999 when I was exposing Waco and covering all that, twice I had someone break in over the line and threaten to kill me, but one way.

00:50:07.000 ISDNs are two-way.

00:50:09.000 Threaten to kill me, and then there would be gunshots in the background and motorcycles revving.

00:50:14.000 Now, you just heard that.

00:50:16.000 It was somebody calling about some account, and I couldn't understand exactly, but a ISDN call, that's a digital separate type of phone line call, to my box, to my number.

00:50:29.000 Very, very funny.

00:50:31.000 Or maybe it's a mistake.

00:50:31.000 I'm sure it is.

00:50:32.000 We know the calling up, you don't shut up, we're going to kill you, is not a mistake.

00:50:40.000 Oh, heaven help us, ladies and gentlemen.

00:50:42.000 I'm going to come back and try to calmly walk through all this now.

00:50:46.000 I'm going to try as very best as I can, when we get back, to calmly walk through the analysis of what has transpired.

00:50:56.000 We'll be right back.

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00:54:32.000 There's a lot of points you've got to make, Aaron.

00:54:33.000 Go ahead and make them about the numbers and give me your take.

00:54:36.000 dot com or prison planet dot com about calling toll free eight eight eight two five three three one three niner eight eight eight two five three three one three nine okay i'm not going to rant and rave anymore there's a lot of points you've got to make aaron go ahead and make them about the numbers and give me your take i want your view your analysis of what zoghbi's done okay so what we're talking about overall is obviously rudy giuliani has the name recognition

00:55:05.000 That's what this whole election is hinged on.

00:55:07.000 But what this poll shows is that in a blind bio, people resonate with Ron Paul's resume, his issues, they don't resonate with Giuliani or the other goons.

00:55:18.000 And you take the NASCAR example from yesterday, Ron Paul wins on the issues.

00:55:25.000 But Giuliani wins a NASCAR on the name recognition.

00:55:28.000 Giuliani was out at a NASCAR race yesterday.

00:55:32.000 They had a whole AP write-up about it.

00:55:34.000 And one of the key quotes from one of the NASCAR fans was, "Giuliani did good on 9/11.

00:55:41.000 He's what I know and he's what I trust.

00:55:43.000 I don't want no Hillary." And that's the mentality this whole race is It's all about who can stand at a NASCAR race, but if you show a NASCAR person the issues, they support Paul.

00:55:53.000 Now let's be clear, Paul did best with conservatives in the NASCAR question and almost beat Giuliani.

00:55:59.000 Give them the numbers.

00:55:59.000 That's right.

00:56:02.000 The numbers here.

00:56:03.000 Paul did 32.5% amongst NASCAR fans.

00:56:07.000 We're talking about 17% of registered voters in 2004, estimated, I'm sure it's not exact.

00:56:14.000 Whereas Giuliani had 28%, which is still pretty strong.

00:56:19.000 But what we're saying is that Ron Paul can do well in this very hardcore base.

00:56:23.000 Ron Paul won that, but then in the subgroup of conservatives, he almost beat Giuliani.

00:56:30.000 I was reading the numbers earlier, is that correct?

00:56:32.000 I mean, he won the general poll.

00:56:33.000 He won.

00:56:34.000 But even amongst conservative voters, extreme conservatives, he was 28, wasn't he?

00:56:40.000 But this is my point, is that the extreme... I'll call the number.

00:56:42.000 I want to make sure I have it.

00:56:44.000 Don't worry, we've got plenty of time.

00:56:45.000 We've got two hours left.

00:56:47.000 We'll just cancel everyone, including that Asner.

00:56:50.000 Hey man, I am really mad about this.

00:56:52.000 I mean, this is... Again, but I'm glad Zogby did this in a way.

00:56:55.000 You pay for a poll, you make it fair, you try to play fair, Ron Paul wins everything but one thing, and then they focus on that, and it just never ends.

00:57:03.000 Okay, so... Because imagine how much money old Republican Party that's pushing Juliani's spending with Zogby.

00:57:09.000 Go ahead.

00:57:10.000 So we have the left-to-right spectrum here broken down into categories, percentages per candidate.

00:57:15.000 In the conservative category, Giuliani is leading.

00:57:18.000 He has 26.9%.

00:57:18.000 However, Ron Paul has 20.9%, which is certainly a striking distance.

00:57:20.000 However, Ron Paul has 20.9%, which is certainly in striking distance.

00:57:26.000 And keep in mind we have 15% officially undecided.

00:57:30.000 And then in the other subcategory, very conservative, and we're talking about the very hardcore GOP base here, Giuliani is pulling 24%, and Ron Paul again in striking distance with 20.3%, and Romney and Thompson also showing up here.

00:57:47.000 So they also chose the one sub-question demographic where he lost where he had the lowest number.

00:57:52.000 But this is my argument.

00:57:53.000 We're talking about... These are, I mean, these are hardline GOP men who wear dresses every night to have Jeff Gannon over.

00:57:59.000 I mean, literally, that's a hardcore group.

00:58:02.000 Go ahead.

00:58:04.000 By the way, I'm really serious about that, but go ahead.

00:58:07.000 I don't know about the segue into the religious question, but one of the big questions on this field is the split of the religious vote, and we'll talk about that when we get a chance.

00:58:17.000 We will talk about that when we return, ladies and gentlemen.

00:58:20.000 Right here on the one and only GCN Radio Network, I am Alex Jones, your host.

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01:00:22.000 All right, Jones Productions and TruthNews.us financed a $4,300 scientific phone poll, which again leans against Ron Paul. But I said, I'm going to finance the mainline, old-fashioned poll, ask spare questions. Ron Paul won by double-digit leads across the board, except with very conservative voters. And

01:00:44.000 he's still, you know, in some cases 20%, 22% with the second place, first place being 30%, 31%. Giuliani, because again, these aren't really Christian conservative voters.

01:00:56.000 They love Mr. Abortion and the rest of it, but I guess Pat Robertson said he worships him, so, you know, that's good enough for them.

01:01:02.000 But the illustration here is we went and paid for a fair poll, and when they issue the results, they say at the last paragraph, by the way, Ron Paul won the whole major poll, but in one little demographic, he came in last place.

01:01:14.000 And then that's your news, and that's what the media and the news will run with.

01:01:17.000 And that's what we're illustrating.

01:01:19.000 So, Aaron, continue what you were saying.

01:01:21.000 Yeah, what we're saying here, for Ron Paul supporters, the big question is the name recognition.

01:01:26.000 That is the one hurdle.

01:01:27.000 We've already demonstrated that these issues, the so-called message, resonates with these people.

01:01:32.000 If we can overcome the name recognition issue, Ron Paul wins in a landslide.

01:01:37.000 He's conservative, even amongst the most hardcore conservative and very conservative sub-demographics, which Do not match up against the religious question in the GOP in this race.

01:01:49.000 We have these people backing Giuliani, but the other leaders are not necessarily willing to go along with this.

01:01:56.000 They've decided to split that vote and let people go where they're going to go, and they have decided against going with Giuliani because he has no integrity on the association.

01:02:04.000 And then go for those religious demographics for people that haven't heard them.

01:02:07.000 I mean, he won every religious group, even non-Christian.

01:02:10.000 He won it all And by the time they're done, they tell you Giuliani's the winner.

01:02:16.000 Yeah, so let's take a look at these religious questions.

01:02:18.000 They divide it into Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, and Other, which is all-inclusive and not necessarily a voting clause.

01:02:26.000 Then Born Again and Protestant, Protestants half.

01:02:29.000 Yeah, they split the Protestant, which is 50% of the vote, between born again and not born again, which, you know, the definition of that is questionable, but it splits right into an exact 25% and 25.2%.

01:02:41.000 So Ron Paul has 30.4% of the Catholic vote, well ahead of the Catholic Giuliani at 18.4%.

01:02:49.000 He has the Protestant vote, 33% of that huge 50% voting bloc.

01:02:55.000 Whopping.

01:02:57.000 Giuliani only has 19%, and there's another 14.2% outstanding, still in question.

01:03:03.000 In the Jewish vote, Ron Paul has a strong 17%, Giuliani is ahead there with 20%, but there is a very huge...

01:03:10.000 That's the only one he lost.

01:03:11.000 ...very huge, 43.5%, still unsure, hasn't decided on anyone, and that's 3% of the religious vote.

01:03:19.000 The other is a larger voting bloc, 20% of the other category, the all-inclusive.

01:03:24.000 And Ron Paul dominates with 38.6%, his largest religious lead amongst many.

01:03:31.000 And then he has the coveted black vote.

01:03:35.000 Go to those numbers.

01:03:36.000 I mean, ladies and gentlemen, this is amazing!

01:03:39.000 We did a fair poll, and he's dominating everywhere!

01:03:45.000 Yeah, so they separate this into wages, gender, do you shop at Walmart, do you have a passport, every conceivable demographic.

01:03:52.000 They divide race into five blocks, white, hispanic, african-american, asian and other.

01:03:57.000 Ron Paul has more than a 30% lead in each of these categories.

01:04:02.000 He wins all the minorities, ladies and gentlemen, and he won white.

01:04:07.000 Uh, yes.

01:04:08.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:04:08.000 That's another huge headline right there, folks.

01:04:10.000 We need to use this ammo immediately!

01:04:12.000 Okay, so the all-inclusive 2% other race group, Ron Paul is 45%.

01:04:15.000 Uh, Giuliani only has 6.2%.

01:04:16.000 In the Asian category, he has 40.2%.

01:04:17.000 Giuliani has 30% there.

01:04:19.000 In the African-American black vote, he has 40.5%.

01:04:20.000 category has 40.2 percent Giuliani has 30 percent there in the African American black vote is 40.5 percent Giuliani only has 9 percent only 9 percent of that vote in In Hispanics, Ron Paul has 34%, Giuliani only has 17%.

01:04:38.000 In the white demographic, he has 31.5% and Giuliani only has 20%.

01:04:44.000 I mean, dominating, dominating.

01:04:45.000 Black voters, white voters, Hispanic voters.

01:04:49.000 On and on and on.

01:04:49.000 We'll give you women and more on the other side.

01:04:52.000 But what did Zogby decide to report on?

01:04:54.000 The tiny demographic that Giuliani won in.

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01:08:25.000 He'll be coming up in 20 minutes.

01:08:26.000 I've got a couple of our news items I want to cover.

01:08:28.000 Aaron, you're going to be back in here with him.

01:08:31.000 By the way, I can't find my copy of the numbers.

01:08:33.000 I think I took it home.

01:08:34.000 We make another copy.

01:08:35.000 I know these are marked, the ones you've got.

01:08:37.000 But scan in your marked ones so people can focus in on the data, too, later.

01:08:43.000 We are talking about the fact that there is massive spin going on in the media against Ron Paul.

01:08:52.000 Evidenced by, we pay for his IOP poll, we make it fair, we publish the actual poll, you know, the questions that were asked.

01:08:59.000 The people who were running through this huge gauntlet of questions answered all the questions, and Ron Paul won women, blacks, Hispanics, whites, Christian, conservatives, born again, Protestant, just on and on and on, just unbelievable win after win after win, and Zogby decides to write a headline focused in on the one area where Giuliani won.

01:09:20.000 Uh, one little demographic of the poll.

01:09:24.000 Uh, but at the end they say, oh yeah, by the way, Ron Paul won the general poll across the board.

01:09:28.000 And, uh, surging.

01:09:29.000 Uh, but, you know, that's no big deal.

01:09:32.000 Uh, so, uh, there's a story there.

01:09:33.000 We haven't even got a report out yet ourselves how he won in blacks, women, Hispanics, whites.

01:09:37.000 This is the great unifier.

01:09:39.000 We need to do a story on that.

01:09:40.000 Uh, you do a story on it.

01:09:41.000 We can't do it all, folks.

01:09:44.000 Uh, Aaron, um, continue with women.

01:09:46.000 What happened with women?

01:09:48.000 Uh, women, uh, some have suggested Ron Paul doesn't have the support of women, uh, but in this National Scientific Poll, he has 34.7% of women, uh, as compared with 30.8% of male.

01:10:01.000 It's close, but he has more percentage support from women which I don't know if that means more women gravitate to the polls.

01:10:09.000 And military families.

01:10:10.000 But the point here is that Ron Paul won overall in a national scientific poll with nearly 33%.

01:10:17.000 Giuliani was second with 18.6%.

01:10:21.000 This should be earth-shattering.

01:10:22.000 People should be, you know.

01:10:24.000 No, instead they're just saying first the poll didn't exist, and then Zogby was forced to put out an early report and says, Ah, Giuliani, hail him.

01:10:31.000 But that's why these elections continue to be controlled.

01:10:33.000 It's still name recognition.

01:10:35.000 They won't acknowledge Ron Paul.

01:10:37.000 But what I'm saying is, if Giuliani gets the nomination, third parties may split off from the religious factions in other places.

01:10:46.000 And Mainline is in the analysis of this.

01:10:49.000 Hillary will win if it's Giuliani or any other Republican.

01:10:52.000 Only Ron Paul can get the Liberals and Libertarians and the Blacks and Hispanics.

01:10:57.000 He will win.

01:10:58.000 If he gets the nomination, folks, it's over.

01:11:00.000 If we have a fair election, he's your president.

01:11:02.000 Well, absolutely.

01:11:03.000 The religious leaders have said they're going to stay home on Election Day if Giuliani's the nominee, or they'll run third party, which will always split in favor of the larger party, which is the Democrats.

01:11:14.000 It's a no-win for Giuliani.

01:11:16.000 He would be a ringer.

01:11:17.000 It's real simple.

01:11:17.000 Here's the facts.

01:11:19.000 If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination, the Democrats win.

01:11:22.000 And they will continue the war, they will continue all the same policies.

01:11:25.000 That's why Ron Paul is so popular when his issues are put out.

01:11:28.000 That's why every time they have a poll where he's on TV, he wins by 80%, 50%.

01:11:32.000 It's always a huge domination.

01:11:34.000 People go, I like that guy.

01:11:36.000 Okay, so we do this poll, show the issues.

01:11:39.000 Ron Paul wins in every demographic but conservatives.

01:11:43.000 This is the point Ron Paul has been making the whole election cycle.

01:11:45.000 There's a disparity here because then they have the same conservatives who are religious and they go for Ron Paul.

01:11:49.000 This is the point Ron Paul's been making the whole election cycle.

01:11:53.000 All the moderates have abandoned the party over the war issue.

01:11:56.000 And now the last vestige of GOP strength, the large religious bloc, is splitting or staying home.

01:12:04.000 And big money has looked at this.

01:12:06.000 That's why Hillary has gotten more military contributions than all the Republicans and Democrats combined.

01:12:13.000 I know it's more than Republicans combined.

01:12:14.000 Why are the defense contractors going with her?

01:12:17.000 Why are big Republican donors, this has been in the news, giving to Hillary?

01:12:21.000 Why is Fox News behind her?

01:12:22.000 Why do Fox News get mad at her getting heckled by anti-war protesters and they're calling for violent attacks on them?

01:12:28.000 Because they're guarding their precious.

01:12:30.000 In fact, they had on the screen, Hillary Hater.

01:12:32.000 Clinton gets chided in L.A., and they called for violence against them, which was one of the steps towards setting up a dictatorship.

01:12:38.000 So let me boil it down.

01:12:39.000 Only Ron Paul can beat Hillary or any other Democrat, and this proves it.

01:12:44.000 A. If you're a conservative or a libertarian or a liberal who doesn't want the war and doesn't like Hillary, then you better vote for Ron Paul.

01:12:50.000 The other Republicans are all in line.

01:12:50.000 Period.

01:12:52.000 Nothing's gonna happen.

01:12:53.000 Okay.

01:12:53.000 B. So number one, Hillary can be defeated by him.

01:12:55.000 Okay, he's got the Democratic women voters, minority voters.

01:12:58.000 He dominates.

01:12:59.000 That's A. B. Then more information needs to be put out.

01:13:03.000 It's a separate story.

01:13:05.000 Because all this is big news.

01:13:06.000 This is important for Ron Paul.

01:13:07.000 Important for the country.

01:13:10.000 Ron Paul wins amongst every religious demographic except Jews, and they're 44% undecided, and he came in a close second place against Giuliani on that subject.

01:13:22.000 Okay?

01:13:23.000 So, he wins in every religious demographic, non-Christian, Catholic, Protestant, born again, he wins in every demographic but one, he totally dominates, he dominates with every racial group, male and female, he takes the entire field, no candidate ever has to Total unification.

01:13:40.000 This is unbelievable!

01:13:41.000 This is what we need!

01:13:42.000 So we've got that happening, and then we have...

01:13:46.000 Ron Paul winning with conservatives nationwide when they asked him about his bio, separate from name.

01:13:54.000 Okay, so there's also showing the schizophrenia of these so-called conservatives that when it's Giuliani's name they win.

01:14:01.000 Folks, this is incredible.

01:14:03.000 Look, it's simple.

01:14:03.000 Aaron?

01:14:04.000 If the mainstream media gave Ron Paul the name recognition coverage that it gives to the other main candidates, he would be a landslide winner.

01:14:12.000 End of story.

01:14:15.000 And now it's up to you, ladies and gentlemen.

01:14:17.000 I went and spent $4,300 of my meager savings to do this, because I knew, I had a gut instinct, and frankly, my instinct's never been wrong.

01:14:26.000 It's starting to scare me.

01:14:28.000 I knew that if I did a scientific poll that was fair, and I knew they'd spend it, it actually leans towards the other guys, because I'd read the other polls.

01:14:36.000 Again, they're asking about Mitt Romney, about Giuliani, about other people.

01:14:39.000 Paul Watts, you need to integrate this, too.

01:14:41.000 I know I'm flogging the horses here, but this is a key fight.

01:14:44.000 Listen to me carefully.

01:14:46.000 I kept looking at the other polls.

01:14:49.000 And if somebody said Mitt Romney or Giuliani or something else, they would just ask a few reasonable questions and then that would be sampled.

01:14:55.000 Because if you hang up, they don't.

01:14:57.000 But if you said Ron Paul in that Zogby poll that was reported and the poll was released, They would then ask about sexual positions and how you cook rice.

01:15:04.000 And a bunch of other questions that are designed to make you think it's stupid or intrusive and hang the phone up.

01:15:08.000 Then Ron Paul's taken out of the sample.

01:15:10.000 And they all do this.

01:15:11.000 They all do basically what they're paid by the big politicos to do.

01:15:14.000 Or that big political money doesn't come there.

01:15:16.000 So I stepped up and said, here, I'll pay for a fair poll.

01:15:18.000 I won't even spin it for Paul.

01:15:20.000 I won't even do that.

01:15:21.000 I'll do a fair poll.

01:15:24.000 And remember last week when I threw a fit on there and said I was going to do it?

01:15:27.000 I did it.

01:15:28.000 And Aaron did the work.

01:15:29.000 A lot of it.

01:15:30.000 I commend you, Aaron.

01:15:31.000 And so we went through all this.

01:15:33.000 We got the poll out.

01:15:34.000 I got on the telephone, haggled with these people.

01:15:37.000 Aaron did.

01:15:37.000 We got it out.

01:15:38.000 Ron Paul dominates in 90 plus percent of the areas, wins the overall poll, as Zogby says, and they bury it.

01:15:44.000 That is a big deal.

01:15:45.000 So it's up to you to get the poll results and all the articles we're writing, Kurt Nemo, Steve Watson, Paul Watson, Aaron, and to get them out to the four wins.

01:15:54.000 Aaron?

01:15:54.000 Yeah, the final point I would make is that Ron Paul is the only true candidate in this election, and our listeners know it.

01:16:01.000 The people in this country are tired of being used, they're not going to be force-fed these candidates, especially Giuliani, on the GOP scope, and that now includes religious right.

01:16:11.000 They didn't wake up for six years, they're now awake, they're tired of being used.

01:16:17.000 And so, in the final summation, what should people do, Aaron?

01:16:21.000 We had to get Ron Paul's name recognition out there, you know, to the key states.

01:16:26.000 He's doubled his numbers in New Hampshire and Nevada, and so that's happening right now.

01:16:30.000 Oh, it's happening.

01:16:31.000 I'm sure it has to do with the donations and everything.

01:16:34.000 I wish I knew the answer.

01:16:36.000 The point is, this poll demonstrates that if you can get the awareness out there of Ron Paul, he's a winner.

01:16:43.000 The value vote is there, as they say with that conservative poll.

01:16:49.000 He dominates every demographic.

01:16:51.000 He's a winner.

01:16:52.000 He really is a unifier.

01:16:54.000 I mean, this is like going into the horse stalls before a race and there's ten horses and nine of them have broken legs and snot running out their noses and flies all over them and can hardly walk.

01:17:03.000 And there's this huge, you know, giant black stallion with, you know, streamlined muscles just snorting.

01:17:11.000 I mean, you know who's going to win.

01:17:13.000 And then we pay for this poll.

01:17:15.000 It's fair.

01:17:16.000 The stallion wins and they still trot out a snot-nosed loser and covered with flies and horse manure and tell us that's the winner.

01:17:24.000 Well, sometimes the mean ones do their bidding.

01:17:29.000 Well, we got this pollster coming on, so we appreciate him coming on.

01:17:34.000 We'll find out what happens.

01:17:35.000 Aaron, take a ten minute break.

01:17:36.000 There's some more research and we're going to have you in here with this individual coming up.

01:17:41.000 Thank you, sir.

01:17:41.000 Thanks.

01:17:46.000 Let me read this to you.

01:17:47.000 This shift gears into the how.

01:17:48.000 They've got talking points that say, Ron Paul, supporters are terrorists, liberals are terrorists, anti-war are terrorists, beat them, kill them, taser them, attack them, ban them, get them, stop them, they're treasonous, they've got to be grabbed.

01:18:01.000 Use the military on them.

01:18:02.000 The talking point continues.

01:18:06.000 Fox host says dissenters should be tased.

01:18:10.000 Punied.

01:18:12.000 Laments that people who confront politicians aren't beaten to a pulp.

01:18:16.000 So just standing up as your First Amendment saying, hey, I disagree with you!

01:18:19.000 They do that in the House of Commons.

01:18:21.000 That's a sign of Anglo-Saxon common law.

01:18:25.000 And it goes back to Mount Sinai and Moses where anybody can stand up and argue and have debates.

01:18:30.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:18:32.000 They say tase them and beat them to a pulp.

01:18:35.000 Kilman laments that people who confront politicians aren't beaten to a pulp.

01:18:38.000 That's a quote.

01:18:38.000 As the establishment continues to sell war on anyone who disagrees with their tyranny.

01:18:44.000 During a discussion about the Code Pink member heckling Hillary Clinton at a recent event, Fox News host Brian Kilmeade said that people who confront politicians are threatening, see speech is threatening, and should be tased or quote beaten to a pulp as the establishment media continues to sell the idea that anyone who disagrees with authority should be brutally punished.

01:19:04.000 A segment on the Fox and Friends morning show yesterday turned into an opportunity for Kilmeade to share his dictatorial fetish that dissenters be dealt with in a proper manner, as footage aired on Clinton's heckler began removed from the event by security.

01:19:20.000 They should tase this guy.

01:19:21.000 See, it's about your behavior.

01:19:22.000 It's punishing you.

01:19:23.000 They should tase this guy.

01:19:24.000 Quote, Kilmeade says, at one point, when security's so high and tension's on edge, See, because of the terrorists.

01:19:30.000 We've got to use... See, we're the terrorists.

01:19:32.000 They've even said it now.

01:19:33.000 Don't you think they're going to get the very least tasered or beaten to a pulp by somebody?

01:19:38.000 These people look... And he goes on.

01:19:43.000 Somehow the printer cut that off.

01:19:45.000 Oh, these people look threatening, he said.

01:19:47.000 See, oh, you look threatening.

01:19:49.000 I better beat you to a pulp.

01:19:52.000 I mean, this is amazing!

01:19:53.000 They're making their move, because they know we see them!

01:19:56.000 We know who they are now, and they want to get violent with us!

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01:23:56.000 Alright, it gets even worse in this Fox piece.

01:24:05.000 And then the story Paul wrote, Dershowitz comes out and says, don't tell me torture doesn't work.

01:24:11.000 The Nazis did it.

01:24:12.000 It works quite well.

01:24:13.000 Let me actually read you the actual quote here.

01:24:18.000 If that was not good enough for the Nazis to torture the political foes, then it's good enough for us.

01:24:22.000 As Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz made clear in the Wall Street Journal last week, there are some, this is a quote, there are some who claim that torture is a nonsense because it never works.

01:24:32.000 It only produces false information, wrote Dershowitz in the Wall Street Journal.

01:24:36.000 This is simply not true, as evidenced by the many decent members of the French Resistance who, under the Nazi torture, disclosed the locations of their closest friends and relatives.

01:24:46.000 Wonderful!

01:24:47.000 Forget about the antiquated Geneva Conventions.

01:24:49.000 Let's use what the Nazis did as a role model for how to conduct ourselves and see where it gets us.

01:24:54.000 Because that's what they're calling for.

01:24:55.000 They're calling for arrest, violence, and this is one of the key things.

01:24:59.000 Our government has an official blueprint that they teach terrible countries how to set up... how to set up tyranny.

01:25:07.000 By the way, our story has now made it in Reuters, and there's massive spin.

01:25:17.000 Oh no, this is the other story.

01:25:18.000 Okay, yeah.

01:25:19.000 I'm going to be covering that later coming up.

01:25:24.000 Let's just play the Fox Show where they talk about beating people to pulp and how they need to be tasered because they look threatening.

01:25:29.000 See, now you need to be punished for free speech.

01:25:32.000 Here it is.

01:25:34.000 Saturday night, Hillary Clinton was heckled by a Code Pink anti-war demonstrator.

01:25:38.000 You know, what's up with these people?

01:25:40.000 I thought that they favored the Democrats.

01:25:41.000 You sounded a little like Seinfeld when you said that.

01:25:43.000 What's with these people?

01:25:44.000 Oh, uh, it wouldn't be because I watched any of the shows recently, unfortunately, because you're not on the air anymore.

01:25:48.000 But, anyway, um, this anti-protester shouted out to Hillary.

01:25:53.000 I don't understand why they go up against the Democrats.

01:25:55.000 Didn't this happen to President Clinton recently as well?

01:25:58.000 Yeah, it did.

01:25:59.000 It happened to a lot of them, and she was one of the three candidates who responded to the invitation to go out to Los Angeles and give their policy on global warming.

01:26:07.000 Here's the heckle as it happened.

01:26:12.000 It done through the Senate.

01:26:15.000 Were you invited to speak here this afternoon?

01:26:18.000 Anyway, as I was saying, we need to elect more Democrats.

01:26:30.000 Because our obstacle to getting anything through the Congress is the filibuster rule in the Senate.

01:26:41.000 That means we've got to get... She should just stop talking, because nobody's listening at this point.

01:26:45.000 They're all watching as that particular, that man surrounding... We should chase this guy.

01:26:51.000 Why would they tase him?

01:26:52.000 He's not resisting arrest.

01:26:53.000 Then he was put in a car.

01:26:55.000 It is not, however, clear if arrested.

01:26:57.000 What I find interesting about the Code Pink people is, for instance... What do you find interesting about them?

01:27:02.000 Well, yeah.

01:27:03.000 At these, you know, the Senate and House Committee hearings when they have, somebody's going to talk in front of a group of people, and the people who are wearing the shirts that say Code Pink on them, You can pretty much count on them, at some point, standing up and heckling.

01:27:17.000 I mean, look at Connie Wright's a couple of weeks ago.

01:27:19.000 Bill Clinton, too, and John Kerry.

01:27:21.000 They're going after everybody.

01:27:23.000 And here's the thing.

01:27:24.000 I mean, where do they get off doing this, and why do they think they're going to continue to be politely escorted out?

01:27:30.000 At one point, with security so high and tensions on edge, don't you think they're going to get, at the very least, tased or beaten to a pulp by somebody who goes, these people look threatening?

01:27:40.000 They don't look threatening?

01:27:43.000 Now you hear the news, and remember Homeland Security's had parties on C-SPAN 424 saying it's getting everybody ready for torture and the rest of it.

01:27:51.000 This is all admitted.

01:27:53.000 And see, now Fox, CNN, Glenn Beck, let's use the Army against Ron Paul supporters.

01:27:57.000 They're terrorists.

01:27:58.000 Let's arrest people.

01:28:00.000 Let's go get Lew Rockwell.

01:28:02.000 The public doesn't trust us anymore.

01:28:04.000 It's their fault.

01:28:05.000 They're in bed with Islamic fascists.

01:28:08.000 Um, the anti-war people are terrorists.

01:28:11.000 And see, you just heard it, let's beat them to a pulp.

01:28:14.000 Pretty soon, some, they're not gonna, do they just think they can continue to do this?

01:28:18.000 They're gonna get tased and beaten to a pulp.

01:28:20.000 It's an, A, it's a threat saying, you're gonna get beaten to a pulp, you're gonna get tased if you go do this, which is total Americana.

01:28:27.000 You can't get any more American than people disrupting, getting in faces, standing up, speaking out.

01:28:32.000 Now, they can be escorted, but they have all these town hall meetings that have come out that are fake for Democrats and Republicans, where they take your driver's license number and make you sign a form saying that you're for the President and aren't going to heckle.

01:28:45.000 Then they have a TV about Town Hall!

01:28:47.000 Let's hear what the public say!

01:28:51.000 And then they have demonstrations of support when Bush comes into town and anyone with a No Blood for Oil sign or a shirt that says Peace is arrested.

01:29:00.000 Unpermitted marches are allowed, but not if you're against the war, but we're 80% of the public!

01:29:05.000 We're the majority, and Fox News gets up there that's supporting Hillary, by the way, and giving her money, and the big money and the big Republican donors are giving 2 to 1 to Hillary, big defense contractors are.

01:29:16.000 Do you understand if there's any mainline conservatives that still support Bush and Fox?

01:29:20.000 Don't you understand they're gonna put Hillary in?

01:29:24.000 They're already appointing people from the Clinton White House and the Pentagon and the White House?

01:29:29.000 They're already putting them in at the State Department, saying they're getting ready for transition.

01:29:32.000 As far as the White House and Republicans see, there's no election!

01:29:35.000 Hillary's in!

01:29:37.000 Period!

01:29:39.000 Do you understand me?

01:29:41.000 Do you read me?

01:29:42.000 I want you to get this through your heads!

01:29:44.000 You have been suckered!

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01:35:11.000 It's a great honor to have you.

01:35:13.000 Oh, glad to be here.

01:35:17.000 Reading this Zogby poll, Giuliani leads among Republicans in latest blind bio survey, but in other polls you've done and others have done, here's one, Romney wins straw poll at Values Voter Summit, CNN thought it was enough to be in the next paragraph, I mean right in the front of the story, that Ron Paul got 15% or third place, well among

01:35:41.000 People that call themselves evangelicals, people that call themselves, well let me use a technical term, born again, or Protestant.

01:35:50.000 I mean, he got whopping numbers here.

01:35:52.000 Isn't that more newsworthy?

01:35:53.000 I mean, why did you guys stick Giuliani up on the top?

01:35:56.000 Well, because the bottom line number shows that Giuliani leads among nationwide likely Republican primary voters.

01:36:05.000 I mean, he's in the lead.

01:36:06.000 34% for Giuliani, 22% for Thompson, 22% for Romney.

01:36:11.000 And 13 for Ron Paul.

01:36:14.000 So you lead with the guy who's in the lead.

01:36:16.000 That's how we do this.

01:36:18.000 And there is no question that Ron Paul at 13% in a percentage basis is making a big leap forward.

01:36:27.000 I mean, this is a guy who three months ago was down at 1%, 2%.

01:36:32.000 And now he's in the double digits.

01:36:34.000 He's got a pocket full of money now.

01:36:37.000 And having raised $4.2 million in one day on the Internet, And he is a force to be reckoned with now.

01:36:45.000 I think that's why you see Romney's numbers stalled and Thompson's numbers stalled, because he is taking a big bite out of that conservative wing, that conservative group of voters who are going to decide who the next Republican nominee is going to be.

01:37:02.000 I have looked at his trend, and we've got the Congressman on tomorrow, and I've interviewed him probably a hundred times over the years, but he's saying that if their trajectory continues the next month and a half towards Nevada, and of course New Hampshire and other places, that he could win.

01:37:16.000 And your boss, Mr. Zogby, on Fox last week said that Ron Paul could win.

01:37:21.000 Can you give us your take on that?

01:37:22.000 Well, I think my boss is exactly right.

01:37:27.000 We talk about these things, and we come to very much the same conclusion.

01:37:33.000 Ron Paul is on a very positive trajectory, and what we see happening behind the scenes here is that you've got this pool, and everyone knows who pays attention, That we have this group of Republicans who are just not satisfied with any of the frontrunners, and they're looking around, and you've got 16 or 17 percent undecided in most national polls.

01:37:58.000 In some state polls, it's higher than that.

01:38:01.000 Can't we say that Ron Paul and GQ and a lot of others are saying that Ron Paul is now a first-year candidate?

01:38:10.000 Well, you can draw the tier line anywhere you want, but he's certainly moving into the top tier if he isn't there already.

01:38:16.000 I mean, he's long since passed John McCain.

01:38:19.000 And I still hear people referring to McCain as a top-tier candidate, so by those standards, sure.

01:38:25.000 But I'm not the one to really make that call.

01:38:27.000 Well, as more Republicans drop out, I think we're only going to see Paul's numbers go up.

01:38:32.000 Well, look at the others who are left.

01:38:34.000 You've got Brownback out now, but you've got Ken Credo, who is saying a lot of the same things that Ron Paul is talking about.

01:38:42.000 You've got Duncan Hunter saying much the same things, particularly on immigration, that Ron Paul is talking about.

01:38:51.000 So he does stand to gain.

01:38:52.000 Now, remember, these guys are going to drop out probably because they're only pulling 1%, 2% support.

01:38:59.000 And they can't raise money to even have an office.

01:39:02.000 Well, yeah, there are just too many competitors for that same concern.

01:39:08.000 Would you say Ron Paul has hit the zeitgeist?

01:39:08.000 conservative.

01:39:10.000 Because everywhere I go, talk radio everywhere, on the street, wherever I fly in the country, bumper stickers, signed, Ron Paul, Ron Paul, and it seems to be intensifying.

01:39:19.000 It is, and he's got the benefit.

01:39:22.000 He's really actually in a very good position right now.

01:39:25.000 Has he hit the zeitgeist?

01:39:27.000 Well, I can't, I don't see that yet.

01:39:30.000 I think you've got to see him move a little bit higher before you start using those terms, but here's why his timing is almost perfect.

01:39:40.000 He's going to be a little bit higher.

01:39:41.000 He's moving up, he's getting this media attention that you're talking about, but it's not so early that he's going to get a big backlash of negative attention before people actually have to start voting.

01:39:54.000 Six weeks, eight weeks out before an election is about the time, if you're going to make a big move from the back to the front, that's when you want to make it.

01:40:02.000 And he's right on schedule.

01:40:05.000 Is this shaping up to possibly be a perfect storm for Ron Paul?

01:40:10.000 It could be.

01:40:11.000 He's making all the right moves.

01:40:13.000 He's moving in the right direction at about the right time, so the poll numbers are indicating he's moving into the top tier.

01:40:22.000 He's not quite there yet, I wouldn't say, but he's certainly moving in the right direction at a time when other candidates are not moving.

01:40:31.000 We're talking to the head spokesman for Zobby International.

01:40:35.000 Fritz Wenzel, and I really appreciate him coming on.

01:40:38.000 The website is Zogby.com, Z-O-G-B-Y dot com.

01:40:43.000 Fritz, I want to ask you a bunch of questions now as fast as possible, just short answers if you can.

01:40:48.000 I understand there really is no short answer to all of this.

01:40:51.000 Not that I'm a polling scientist, but I read what all these scientists and experts say, and that clearly, and I think the questions you ask about some of the major websites that some of these people don't even use or rarely use, that phone polling does We're sampling in a crowd that historically wouldn't know about Ron Paul.

01:41:08.000 people who are older, people who get their news mainly from the old line, dinosaur media, and then obviously the internet, and that's not the majority of people, skews towards Ron Paul.

01:41:20.000 So we're sampling in a crowd that historically wouldn't know about Ron Paul.

01:41:27.000 So, I mean, can you talk about that or are you denying that?

01:41:31.000 No, I don't deny that at all, that there is that element, but that's only part of the story.

01:41:37.000 The true story is we're still able to get a complete, full sample that is representative of the American adult and the American likely voter, and that includes all age groups.

01:41:50.000 Now, is it harder today than it was five years ago?

01:41:53.000 Is it harder, will it be harder in five years than it is today?

01:41:53.000 Yeah.

01:41:57.000 Yes, because... So you claim you're increasing it, I mean I believe you're doing it because I've seen the numbers, that you're trying to increase your sample to make it be more representative, but then how do you explain where you have IP computer polls, where it is one vote per computer, or you have text message voting where it's one person, And they hear his message, and you know, in some cases he's winning by 80%, on average he's getting 35%, and the next guy's getting 28.

01:42:20.000 I mean, he's been winning every poll but one Fox poll, and then the old-line polling industry says, oh no, you don't want to use one of them new-fangled automobiles, stay with the horse and buggy.

01:42:31.000 And I understand you guys are adapting, you do internet polls, I'm not saying that, but what I'm stating is, is that this claim that there's nothing scientific, I mean, there may be a higher level of error, let's say 10%.

01:42:41.000 Still, Ron Paul keeps winning when it's the Internet, and they claimed it was people with spy bots out spamming.

01:42:48.000 I mean, did these bots put a four point plus two million?

01:42:52.000 Well, that's a good point, but we have been polling on the Internet for nine years now, and what we've done over those years is we've been able to develop a methodology that very closely approximates what actual voters do in actual voting booths.

01:43:11.000 And the proof in the pudding was last year when we polled 19 U.S. Senate races, state-by-state races using the Internet.

01:43:19.000 We got every one of those 19 within the margin of error.

01:43:22.000 We identified 18 of the 19.

01:43:24.000 Oh, I know polling works very well.

01:43:26.000 So that said, you need to understand that the Internet polling methodology has to closely identify and properly represent the...

01:43:37.000 Whatever voting universe you're going to be trying to poll, and I don't know what other internet polls are doing or saying about Ron Paul, I can tell you that ours is as accurate as anybody's, because that's our experience.

01:43:52.000 Why did Mr. Dogby say that Ron Paul could win New Hampshire?

01:43:54.000 Because he's got the momentum, he's moving in the right direction now, he's got a lot of money in his pocket, and those two things Momentum and money are very important, and he's moving up.

01:44:08.000 People are getting to know him, they're getting to know his positions, and he's doing all the right things right now.

01:44:13.000 Talking to Fritz Wenzel, and he is the Director of Communications for Zob International, one of their top analysts.

01:44:20.000 Fritz, I was talking to you off air, we were talking about, hey look, he's won the women, he's won the men, he's won the blacks, Hispanics, he's won all the religious groups but Jews, and came in a healthy second there.

01:44:33.000 You know, my point is, I'm not saying that he would win with Democrats, but clearly he'll get a bigger piece of Democrats than these other Republicans that are, you know, very unpalatable to Democrats.

01:44:47.000 I know all these liberal homes out here where my office is have got Ron Paul signs in them.

01:44:52.000 So my point is, Ron Paul is anti-war.

01:44:55.000 What they sent the Democrats to Congress for, they haven't done.

01:44:57.000 Their approval rating at 11%, as you know, in Gallup.

01:45:00.000 We have all this happening.

01:45:01.000 I mean, as a statistician, you're saying... I mean, give us your take.

01:45:06.000 Wouldn't Ron Paul be a stronger candidate than the other Republicans with just these numbers we have against Hillary?

01:45:12.000 Well, among Democrats, yes.

01:45:15.000 He would be a much stronger candidate than any of the other three.

01:45:19.000 Why that is, it's hard to say.

01:45:21.000 You've identified some of the reasons.

01:45:22.000 He is anti-war, and the majority of Democrats are anti-war.

01:45:26.000 He has some other Other ideas and policies and stances on issues that are more attractive to Democrats, particularly conservative Democrats, even among independents.

01:45:37.000 He's far and away a more attractive candidate.

01:45:40.000 But you have to remember, we're comparing Ron Paul with Romney, Giuliani and Thompson.

01:45:46.000 And when Democrats make that choice of those four candidates, Ron Paul is, far and away, the best possible option.

01:45:53.000 And so, out of Republican horses in the race, Ron Paul would be the best horse to put up against Hillary?

01:46:00.000 Well, we don't know that, because... You know that's a no-brainer?

01:46:04.000 No, we didn't measure that.

01:46:07.000 I can't say that, because... That's it, I'm buying another one.

01:46:09.000 I'm going to buy another poll.

01:46:10.000 Now, this is addictive.

01:46:12.000 Now, let me expand on this, though.

01:46:17.000 In this election, isn't it really just people are sick of people waffling and changing positions?

01:46:21.000 Isn't that what's most attractive?

01:46:23.000 I mean, that's what I hear from the people, just talking to the public and going on hundreds of other shows myself, that a lot of Democrats say, fine, he's against abortion, fine, he's conservative.

01:46:32.000 I don't care!

01:46:33.000 The guy at least doesn't change what he says!

01:46:35.000 Well, that's always been an attractive thing.

01:46:39.000 Look back to the era of Reagan.

01:46:41.000 That's one of his Qualities that people remember and admire the most.

01:46:44.000 He just called it the way it was.

01:46:47.000 The evil empire, etc.

01:46:49.000 You don't tear down this wall.

01:46:50.000 It's the sort of straight talk, even if it's not what people want to hear necessarily, or the media wants to hear necessarily.

01:46:59.000 When people give it to you straight, at least you know where they stand.

01:47:02.000 That's a very important quality for a politician, especially today.

01:47:07.000 When so few people have confidence in their government to do what they say they're going to do?

01:47:12.000 Well, all the scientific polls show this, because I read them every day, that we've never since the last realignment, since polling began the last hundred years, seen such a bipartisan disenfranchisement With the system, with Congress, again, depending on which poll you look at, between a 10 and 12 percent approval rating.

01:47:32.000 Can you give us your take on this unprecedented situation?

01:47:35.000 And it appears that it's accelerating downward, and I even see pundits in the media panicking.

01:47:40.000 Well, I don't know what the pundits are doing, but I can tell you that you're exactly right when you talk about the disenfranchisement in terms of the feelings of Americans.

01:47:52.000 They do not believe that Congress is, A, able to listen to them, or willing to listen to them, and B, able to fix the major problems facing America.

01:48:03.000 They see a problem, a major problem, in our health care system.

01:48:08.000 They tell us that's one of the biggest issues.

01:48:10.000 They tell us they see a major problem with the immigration of illegals to America, and the war.

01:48:19.000 Yeah, they just do not see government as an agent of positive change, and when we ask them, so what do you want in a president, the number one quality they name is a competent manager.

01:48:33.000 Okay, let's go to Aaron Dykes.

01:48:36.000 He's in studio here with us.

01:48:37.000 He's got some comments and questions for you, sir.

01:48:39.000 Go ahead.

01:48:40.000 I have a question along the lines of disenfranchisement.

01:48:45.000 It's clear that the mainstream media reinforces the candidates it sort of selects.

01:48:49.000 I mean, we've known Giuliani and Hillary as the frontrunners for over four years.

01:48:55.000 My question is, as those TV numbers go down and people drop out of the mainstream media, are they reinforcing themselves on the internet?

01:49:03.000 And is there any projection of some sort of raw numbers of voting blocks on the internet who may not be picked up by telephone polls?

01:49:12.000 And how does the pollster reconcile that idea?

01:49:14.000 Well, there are certain demographics that are harder to get on telephone polling, but listen, remember our pool involves millions and millions and millions of people, so it's much more difficult today for us to get a valid, accurate representation of the voting public on the telephone, but we can still do it and it's still relatively easy.

01:49:38.000 It's going to get harder and harder.

01:49:40.000 That's why we've developed this interactive polling technology It's almost exactly opposite because you have a lot more users that are younger on the internet and a lot older users on the telephone.

01:49:55.000 So in some cases we even use hybrid polling where we do some on the phone, some on the internet and connect.

01:50:03.000 Clearly, the way communication with the likely voters is changing, you've got to change with the times.

01:50:10.000 Well, what about this?

01:50:10.000 I mean, I've seen scientific national university polls, a whole bunch of them, where people who aren't on the web can't find the U.S.

01:50:18.000 on a map, people above 64, the vast majority didn't know what year 9-11 happened.

01:50:23.000 We have higher incomes, we have higher test scores, higher IQs on the Internet, so we almost see a splitting of people.

01:50:31.000 Well, that may be true, and it may also have an impact in certain congressional races, for instance.

01:50:38.000 But we're talking about a race for president here, where you're getting turnouts at 70-75% of the registered voters, and that means you're going to get people to the polls who couldn't tell what state's right next to them.

01:50:53.000 Mr. Wenzel, stay there.

01:50:54.000 Final segment with you.

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01:54:44.000 Fritz Winslow is our guest.

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01:55:05.000 Uh, look, in closing here, I wanted to ask you because you're an expert on this.

01:55:10.000 Exit polls.

01:55:12.000 Until about ten years ago, and I've studied the history of this, and I've seen studies on it, Generally they were pretty accurate down to four or five percent.

01:55:20.000 Now magically, with these electronic voting machines with no record and their own executives going public and people saying they were hired to rig it and all the cases of it being caught in HBO specials, now magically in these key races in some areas it's not matching up.

01:55:36.000 And so you say your numbers in the Senate races were matching up, with the machines, but some of those cases, it wasn't matching up with the exit polls.

01:55:44.000 I mean, A, do you agree with that?

01:55:46.000 Or, I mean, B, what's going on?

01:55:48.000 Well, exit polls are increasingly problematic, and it's a function of the changing way that we do vote.

01:55:57.000 Some of that has to do with machines, but more of it really has to do with the early voting that is now a widespread practice across the country.

01:56:06.000 so the people you're capturing voting on election day at the polls is Is a is a certain demographic, but you're missing all those people the 30 35 sometimes 40 or 50 percent Who vote away from the polls in the state of Oregon for instance there aren't even polls to go to anymore so you're missing this this group of voters who 30 days ahead of an election may be able to cast a vote and

01:56:33.000 And you never capture those people because they're not at the polls, so they won't be included in an exit poll.

01:56:39.000 And that's the biggest problem.

01:56:41.000 And that is a new trend from the last couple of presidential elections.

01:56:45.000 Old Scholar said it doesn't matter who casts the ballot, it's who counts them.

01:56:50.000 I think from this interview, the one thing we really do wholeheartedly agree on, and tell me if I'm wrong, Mr. Wenzel.

01:56:56.000 And that's that there is revolution, change, realignment happening, record numbers of people not trusting the media, the government, the whole system.

01:57:04.000 And because we see the system ignoring the will and the Constitution.

01:57:08.000 You get 80 plus percent against the war, 91 percent against open borders.

01:57:11.000 They don't care.

01:57:12.000 Both parties circle the wagons against us.

01:57:14.000 Do you agree with that?

01:57:15.000 Well, and the other thing you see is record low confidence in the Congress of the United States.

01:57:21.000 To be able to effectively address these problems.

01:57:24.000 It's a tremendous vote of no confidence in the Congress of the United States, and to a lesser degree, for the President.

01:57:32.000 I mean, you have about a quarter of Americans saying the President is doing a good job in office.

01:57:38.000 That's not what you want to get as a President.

01:57:41.000 We've got 60 seconds.

01:57:42.000 Aaron, any final comments to our guest?

01:57:45.000 I'm just personally curious to see what the projection of internet realignment may mean in the future, not so much this upcoming presidential race.

01:57:53.000 There's no doubt, is there, sir, that we're seeing an acceleration of internet realignment?

01:57:57.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:57:58.000 I think you're seeing a lot more people go to the web, you're seeing obviously what you What you had with Ron Paul, the fundraising, the campaigning in total is going to the web, and it's going to have a dramatic effect.

01:58:10.000 We don't know exactly how much of an effect, but it's going to be big.

01:58:14.000 It's definitely accelerating.

01:58:16.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:58:17.000 Okay, this has been a very interesting interview.

01:58:19.000 Fritz Wenzel, I appreciate you coming on from Zogby International, and you can collate the data how you wish.

01:58:26.000 We're looking at it the way we see it, and thank you for coming on.

01:58:29.000 You bet.

01:58:30.000 All right.

01:58:30.000 Take care, guys.

01:58:31.000 Bye-bye.

01:58:32.000 Ed Asner is coming up next.

01:58:33.000 A bunch of police state news as well.

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01:58:48.000 Big Brother.

01:58:58.000 Mainstream media.

01:59:00.000 Government cover-ups.

01:59:01.000 You want answers?

01:59:03.000 Well, so does he.

01:59:04.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:59:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:59:14.000 Well, Winslow came on the show, but we have executives from the voting companies coming out and saying they were hired to engage in election theft.

01:59:22.000 We have Ohio caught red-handed.

01:59:23.000 We have it in New Mexico.

01:59:24.000 We have it in Florida.

01:59:27.000 We know there's a rebellion against their system, you heard him agree to that, but I mean...

01:59:33.000 The spin was in overdrive, and all the little answers for all the questions, which they've answered a million times, were there.

01:59:38.000 Aaron, I wanted to give you a chance to respond to what you heard.

01:59:41.000 Well, for me, I'm still thinking about this poll in general.

01:59:44.000 I understand that Giuliani is probably solidified, given that the system is rigged.

01:59:50.000 The mainstream media is a self-reinforcing cycle that reinforces the establishment, and selected candidates are put forward.

01:59:58.000 I think we all understand that.

02:00:01.000 But I think these numbers by demographics especially show that Ron Paul has the vox populi, that is the voice of the people.

02:00:08.000 Whether or not that could be turned into strategic votes remains to be seen.

02:00:13.000 I think the number one key here is name recognition.

02:00:15.000 Ron Paul has demonstrated he has an incredible ability to raise money.

02:00:20.000 He's shown that even in the rigged polls, he could make a dent that will at least affect issues and may affect election itself, certainly in key states like New Hampshire.

02:00:31.000 And his trajectory is growing, but expanding on that line.

02:00:35.000 Regardless, we're forming meet-up groups where we can continue organizations together.

02:00:39.000 We're injecting real debate into the issue.

02:00:41.000 We're showing how there's no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats.

02:00:44.000 We're showing that only Ron Paul can beat Hillary.

02:00:46.000 And you heard him admitting, yeah, no, he's the strongest against Hillary as a Republican.

02:00:50.000 I mean, that's the news right there.

02:00:52.000 There's the head analyst at Zogby admitting that.

02:00:54.000 Well, we all understand that on the internet, Ron Paul is the name that's bouncing off the walls, echoing down the streets in the hall.

02:01:01.000 Has that solidified into a voting bloc?

02:01:03.000 Not in past elections.

02:01:05.000 Will it happen this election?

02:01:06.000 These kind of pollsters really can't predict that.

02:01:09.000 Although, there's a good chance they may reinforce it.

02:01:11.000 That's right, and it's also a message that by the next election or the next, which the established minority foresaw, they got smart people.

02:01:17.000 That's why they're heading it off with the machines.

02:01:19.000 And then suddenly, the exit polls aren't working.

02:01:22.000 And he had a nice little reason for that.

02:01:24.000 There's a lot of factors.

02:01:25.000 What do you think in closing, shifting gears to the Fox News saying we need to start assaulting, start beating, start attacking you, you Code Pink people, you 9-11 truthers shouldn't be allowed to go demonstrate and shouldn't be able to ask questions of Clinton or That's okay.

02:01:42.000 What's wrong with holding the Constitution in contempt?

02:01:44.000 They openly call for violence against people, and now we have Glenn Beck calling, saying we're all terrorists.

02:01:49.000 Liberals, conservatives, anti-warers, Lou Rockwell, we're just all, use the military against us.

02:01:55.000 That's okay.

02:01:55.000 What's wrong with holding the Constitution in contempt?

02:01:58.000 But I mean, to have them, to know that they've got 11% approval, that everybody's waking up and hating them, and they're on CNN and Fox saying, let's use the military against the American people, admitting they've built this whole apparatus for anti-terror to use against the people.

02:02:12.000 We've always said that!

02:02:13.000 We always knew that!

02:02:14.000 The establishment support is shrinking, but for a certain period of time, I think they can hold that inner circle.

02:02:21.000 There will be a breaking point.

02:02:23.000 Long term, they can't do it without more false flags.

02:02:25.000 I agree.

02:02:27.000 And just as a side note, the other day I saw the filings for the Rupert Murdoch donation to Hillary.

02:02:33.000 I'm not sure if that's been covered or not.

02:02:35.000 No.

02:02:36.000 He's given maximum donation and donated to her in primaries before.

02:02:39.000 Well, he holds constant fundraising parties for her.

02:02:42.000 The defense contractors have given her more money than all Republicans combined.

02:02:45.000 She's it, man.

02:02:46.000 They're putting her in as their war maiden.

02:02:47.000 But you can see that just a case example like Rupert Murdoch, head of the biggest media corporation in the world, or certainly among them, supports these establishment candidates.

02:02:57.000 He's donated to Hillary Clinton, George Bush, John McCain, Rick Santorum, and others of that ilk.

02:03:03.000 You can see that the supposed left-right paradigm is totally false.

02:03:08.000 Well, when you've got defense contractors 2 to 1 given to Hillary, we've got a problem.

02:03:11.000 Yeah, I mean, what we're really talking about here is reinforcing the establishment.

02:03:15.000 That's the mainstream media's job.

02:03:16.000 That's why it's that third column.

02:03:18.000 Oh, no, the mainstream media is not spinning or trying to keep the establishment in line and in power.

02:03:26.000 They're loving Aaron.

02:03:27.000 Aaron Dykes, thank you for the great reporting.

02:03:29.000 Thanks.

02:03:30.000 Folks, we've got continual coverage at truthnews.us, prisonplanet.com, and jonesreport.com.

02:03:36.000 Ron Paul wins in minorities, women, liberals, libertarians.

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02:06:51.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

02:07:00.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

02:07:04.000 Well, he serves his community and his fellow man endlessly.

02:07:08.000 The media is demonizing, spunning.

02:07:10.000 I mean, he was anti-vaccine decades ago.

02:07:13.000 He knows about the whole system that's been set up.

02:07:16.000 It's amazing that once you get to know these people, you find out the stereotypes are not the case.

02:07:20.000 Ed Asner, he was the head of the Screen Actors Guild for an unprecedented period.

02:07:25.000 He...

02:07:27.000 Of course, as an American actor known for his Emmy-winning roles as Lou Grant on The Mary Tyler Moore Show and of course his own program, he has been in all sorts of award-winning movies.

02:07:37.000 I tried to go over the bio and personal life and political views and ideas and all the roles that he has played.

02:07:47.000 It would take just, you know, way too long to go over the Lou Grant Show and all of it today, but he joins us and he's here to talk about 9-11 truth, but not just that.

02:07:55.000 He's really focused on the School of Americas, which trains the world on how to torture and kill and how to put dictatorships in, and that's what they're now doing here in America.

02:08:03.000 Naomi Wolfe's finally talking about it with the End of America book.

02:08:06.000 We're going to get her on soon.

02:08:08.000 All of this is happening, and I thought just going to Ed, we would first play, this is just this morning.

02:08:13.000 We've got so many of these clips now in the last four weeks.

02:08:16.000 It would take hours to play them all, saying Ron Paul supporters are, quote, threats to the country.

02:08:21.000 The military should be called out.

02:08:23.000 That's a quote by Glenn Beck last week.

02:08:25.000 Now, that's on PrisonPlanet.com.

02:08:27.000 And then they had David Horowitz on saying, let's go ahead.

02:08:30.000 And he said, anti-war, libertarians like Lou Rockwell, Ron Paul supporters are, quote, in bed with Islamo-fascists that we need to, I mean, this is happening.

02:08:41.000 And now they're calling for violence against all these 9-11 truth hecklers, code pink, veterans for peace.

02:08:48.000 The people are getting mad.

02:08:50.000 They're getting out in the streets.

02:08:51.000 They're confronting.

02:08:52.000 As part of our First Amendment right to speak out against these people.

02:08:55.000 I'm going to get Ed Asner's take on this.

02:08:58.000 But this is just this morning.

02:08:59.000 Here it is.

02:09:00.000 It's done through the Senate.

02:09:03.000 were you invited to speak here this afternoon?

02:09:10.000 anyway as I was saying we need to elect more democrats because our She should just have stopped talking, because nobody's listening at this point.

02:09:27.000 the filibuster rule in the Senate that means we've got a she should just stop talking because nobody's listening at this point they're all watching as of that particular that man so he's this guy can outside handcuffs why would they take him He's not resisting arrest.

02:09:41.000 And he was put in a car.

02:09:43.000 It is not, however, clear if arrested.

02:09:46.000 What I find interesting about the Code Pink people is... What do you find interesting about them?

02:09:50.000 Well, yeah.

02:09:51.000 At these, you know, the Senate and House Committee hearings when they have, somebody's going to talk in front of a group of people, and the people who are wearing the shirts that say Code Pink on them, You can pretty much count on them, at some point, standing up and heckling.

02:10:06.000 I mean, look at Connie Rice a couple of weeks ago.

02:10:07.000 Bill Clinton too, and John Kerry.

02:10:10.000 They're going after everybody.

02:10:12.000 And here's the thing.

02:10:13.000 I mean, where do they get off doing this, and why do they think they're going to continue to be politely escorted out?

02:10:18.000 At one point, with security so high and tensions on edge, don't you think they're going to get, at the very least, tased or beaten to a pulp by somebody who goes, These people look threatening.

02:10:29.000 They don't look threatening.

02:10:30.000 You were in favor of the K's for this, but when you talked about the Florida guy, you were not in favor of him.

02:10:35.000 He was much more unruly than this guy.

02:10:40.000 But he told them not to tase him.

02:10:42.000 Can we hear that again?

02:10:43.000 Alright, let's stop right there.

02:10:46.000 Ed, I have the transcripts here.

02:10:47.000 They say they look threatening, they need to be tased.

02:10:50.000 How long do you think you can keep doing this?

02:10:52.000 The security's so high.

02:10:54.000 And we got the White House memo.

02:10:56.000 They're saying they want to now declare anyone that disagrees with their policies as aiding terrorists.

02:11:00.000 They're swinging that whole apparatus around against us, sir.

02:11:05.000 Uh, they've been doing it, I mean, look at the people wearing anti-Bush t-shirts, look what they did to Sidney Sheen, it goes back as far as that.

02:11:14.000 They've been doing it for far too long, and I also think it's a sign of desperation that they're trying to create incidents so that their people look good, the cops look good, and the occasional demonstrator will get freakish.

02:11:34.000 And make the Code Pink and whoever else they're trying to arrest look bad.

02:11:40.000 Mary Astute, I agree with you.

02:11:42.000 And they're trying to send the chilling message.

02:11:44.000 He says, hey, you're not going to be able to continue doing this without getting tased and beat to a pulp.

02:11:49.000 They're also putting out the message trying to chill this type of First Amendment protected action.

02:11:55.000 Well, I think a lot of this is a result that the people don't know how to march in the streets anymore.

02:12:02.000 They just can't, uh, they don't have the generals, they don't have the, uh, the promulgators to, uh, when, when, you know, and, and we've been inundated, Alex, by the, by the acts of this government.

02:12:16.000 You'd be out on the street 24 hours a day protesting, uh, with the way that this, this, this government has passed, has, has created, not passed.

02:12:26.000 They, they skip Congress.

02:12:28.000 Uh, and then when Congress tries to catch up with them, Uh, they stroke him on the back a few times and give him a few sugar treats.

02:12:36.000 And they passed a law that, uh, that allows the president to do whatever the hell he wants.

02:12:42.000 What would your response be?

02:12:43.000 It's an awful, awful time in our country's history.

02:12:46.000 I think it's the worst.

02:12:48.000 I agree with you, and getting worse by the minute.

02:12:51.000 Well, you've got a lot of wisdom when it comes to these type of things.

02:12:53.000 Give us your take on how should we respond to clear talking points calling for violence and saying Ron Paul supporters are aiding terrorists and are domestic threats.

02:13:02.000 I mean, what should the response be when they say anti-war activists shouldn't be allowed to do this?

02:13:07.000 I mean, this is getting serious.

02:13:09.000 Well, it's... I mean, they're reading from the Nazi Bible.

02:13:12.000 That's all they're doing.

02:13:15.000 They're creating incidents.

02:13:18.000 I think they already had their Reichstag fire with 9-11.

02:13:22.000 Now they're trying to build off from that.

02:13:27.000 You know, creating the enemy.

02:13:30.000 They seem to have stumbled in making the immigrant the enemy.

02:13:35.000 They don't know how to proceed on that.

02:13:37.000 So now they have to turn to people like wonderful, sweet, progressive Ron Paul.

02:13:48.000 They're striking out.

02:13:50.000 They're like a... What is it that strikes itself?

02:13:56.000 I guess a snake can do that as well.

02:13:59.000 They're doing it like snakes.

02:14:00.000 That's a good way to put it, though, that Ron Paul is sweet.

02:14:03.000 I think his gravitas and how kind he is and how humble he is, and I know him in person, he's extremely humble.

02:14:11.000 It's kind of like when I met Willie Nelson, it was kind of the same vibe.

02:14:14.000 Is that what you pick up from him, Mr. Asner?

02:14:16.000 Of course.

02:14:18.000 I certainly have not witnessed it.

02:14:20.000 Call me, yeah, it's not this Mr. Asner bit.

02:14:24.000 And by the way, I'm not against vaccines.

02:14:26.000 I want to correct you on that.

02:14:28.000 I'm against thimerosal in vaccines.

02:14:31.000 That's what I meant, yes.

02:14:33.000 And I'm also against, from what I've been reading, the Pertussin is a highly problematical vaccine that I think should be checked into.

02:14:46.000 But anyway, back to Ron Paul.

02:14:48.000 I think he's a phenomenal tribute and asset to the Republican slate.

02:14:54.000 He's the only one on that slate that doesn't look like a jerk who doesn't waffle.

02:15:01.000 And he's ridiculed, of course, for some of the positions he takes for being a so-called Republican.

02:15:08.000 But if they could feed from him, they'd be a lot smarter-looking people.

02:15:13.000 Well, what about the Democrats?

02:15:14.000 I mean, did you see the reports that the defense contractors are giving her more money, double what they've given to the Republicans?

02:15:22.000 I mean, this is off the charts, that the other Republican candidates, they're not even really giving to them, but they're lavishing Hillary.

02:15:28.000 Oh yeah, well, they're switching sides now.

02:15:31.000 They've always done this, and they're doing it now.

02:15:35.000 Jane Harman thrived with defense contract money.

02:15:40.000 And just the other day, what the hell?

02:15:43.000 She was... I mean, I get so inundated that I... No, no, that's the problem is, as you said, we're getting hit from a thousand sides, but I agree with you.

02:15:54.000 This is desperation when they start talking about restrictions on free speech and using the military against the American people.

02:16:01.000 But will the people do anything about it?

02:16:03.000 I mean, did they do anything about the Patriot Act?

02:16:07.000 Congress legitimized the Patriot Act with a few excisions, but in the main it still exists.

02:16:13.000 It's there.

02:16:16.000 When you get an attorney general who says if they pass a law outlawing waterboarding, well, I'll uphold it.

02:16:25.000 And you don't have to pass a law.

02:16:28.000 The Constitution talks about torture.

02:16:31.000 Torture is already illegal.

02:16:33.000 Of course.

02:16:33.000 Cruel and unusual punishment.

02:16:35.000 Exactly.

02:16:37.000 So, we see the quality of candidates and media that we have governing our lives, and it's Isn't it not heartening, though, Mr. Ezra?

02:16:51.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:16:52.000 Ed, Ed, Ed, well, I mean, I do respect, I respect my elders.

02:16:56.000 Ed, Ed, Edward, isn't it, I mean, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, you were speaking out and most people weren't awake then.

02:17:06.000 It's pretty heartening when Congress has an 11 percent approval rating.

02:17:09.000 They've never had one that low.

02:17:12.000 I know.

02:17:15.000 They don't seem to know how to reverse it.

02:17:18.000 Giving the money back to defense contractors doesn't seem to be a means of their returning to their former glory or stature.

02:17:32.000 Our government is rotten.

02:17:34.000 It is rotten.

02:17:36.000 It needs an intensive overhaul, but there is no oversight There is no overseer who can bring our government into order.

02:17:46.000 Ed, here's my question.

02:17:46.000 How much more rotten do you think it can get?

02:17:50.000 Well, not as long as they keep taking the money, not as long as our voting system exists the way it does, not as long as the electoral college is there, not as long as lobbyists rule the roost in Washington, Not as long as there is no campaign financing, public financing of campaigns.

02:18:16.000 But if the dollar goes belly up, what's going to happen?

02:18:19.000 Well, I guess you could say that it would be, uh... I don't know, would you call it cheaper or more expensive to run a campaign now?

02:18:29.000 Maybe you ought to get people to contribute in Euros.

02:18:33.000 Or Canadian dollars.

02:18:35.000 Yeah, the Looney.

02:18:36.000 Ed Asner is our guest.

02:18:38.000 Star of stage, screen, television.

02:18:40.000 Former head of the Screen Actors Guild.

02:18:42.000 And of course, Mary Tyler Moore, Lou Grant, you name it.

02:18:47.000 He's our guest.

02:18:47.000 We're very appreciative of his time.

02:18:48.000 We'll be right back.

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02:22:47.000 Ed Asner is our guest in this segment and into the next.

02:22:51.000 Very appreciative for Ed coming on the show today.

02:22:55.000 Ed Asner is our guest in this segment into the next.

02:23:04.000 Very appreciative for Ed coming on the show today to give us his perspective and view on what's happening.

02:23:12.000 Uh, Ed, Major Publications Mainline News is, as you know, reporting that Bush signed PDD 51, stating that he's over continuity of government, not the Congress.

02:23:25.000 And, uh, then, of course, last year they passed the John Warren Defense Authorization Act, and we've got those links up on PrisonPlanet.com, folks, where it says that for insurrection, for rebellion of the American people, A, I mean just in your gut, do you think Bush is so shot politically that he won't try it?

02:23:43.000 Or do you think that their backs against the wall they will?

02:23:46.000 I mean, A, do you think they'll try it?

02:23:47.000 And B, what do you think our action should be if there's some staged event or real event, whatever the case may be, and Bush announces civil emergency?

02:23:59.000 If Bush announces civil emergency and the people accept it, then there is no hope.

02:24:07.000 I do not trust or believe in this man and the government that he is running.

02:24:14.000 And the people cannot wait for an investigation or for Congress to investigate and then turn around and support him.

02:24:24.000 The people must take to the streets and cry, no, no, no, we will not do this.

02:24:29.000 We will not invade.

02:24:30.000 We will not bomb.

02:24:32.000 We will not take action.

02:24:33.000 We will calmly sit down and investigate very calmly.

02:24:36.000 Without martial law and with the most intensive of investigation by all forms of government.

02:24:45.000 I agree, and what you're doing here now, preemptively discussing this fact, I mean, it's now come out, we said this two weeks ago when it started, because we're already into the history, but now it's admitted that elements of the Bush administration helped put Musharraf in, and Pakistan are now helping him with martial law, and who are they arresting?

02:25:03.000 Not the mullahs, but tens of thousands of men and women in suits and ties, who are lawyers and journalists.

02:25:13.000 We can see that that's the last thing that a democracy could perform.

02:25:20.000 Well, my point is, it could happen here, and they are setting up the apparatus for this tyranny.

02:25:27.000 And if we don't resist it, if we don't fight it, you know, frankly, we need a couple of burning Buddhist monks to let our people know how bad it is.

02:25:40.000 Did you know that actually happened in Chicago and one other city last year and the media put a blurb in the Chicago Tribune and it was not even in the news.

02:25:49.000 Somebody did that?

02:25:50.000 Two people.

02:25:51.000 Really?

02:25:52.000 One of them was a Buddhist and police folks don't because the media doesn't even cover it.

02:25:57.000 Please don't kill yourselves, but I know what you're saying, Ed.

02:25:59.000 It's that symbol of that Vietnam icon symbol and yeah, I think that's another symptom.

02:26:04.000 The media ignored it.

02:26:06.000 Well, the media are Admittedly.

02:26:10.000 How can you deny it?

02:26:11.000 They are the slaves.

02:26:13.000 New York Times got us into Iraq.

02:26:16.000 They provided the news stories that legitimized it.

02:26:20.000 Then they apologized for it.

02:26:22.000 Now let's see what they do with the next incident.

02:26:29.000 I hope they've learned their lesson.

02:26:30.000 I hope they've truly become a paper for democracy.

02:26:37.000 Shifting gears, Ed, 9-11 Truth, you just spoke to a group, saw the video in Southern California a week ago or so, or two weeks ago.

02:26:46.000 What's your take on the growth of 9-11 Truth and where it's going?

02:26:50.000 I am not that attuned to either working for the 9-11 group.

02:26:54.000 I only know that we just have to keep believing in the legitimacy, reject the idea that we're a bunch of loonies.

02:27:06.000 Talk to as many people as we can and watch them look like we just passed gas, and continue preaching.

02:27:16.000 And it probably will be years, you know, years before any cogent, worthwhile investigation takes place.

02:27:27.000 But only if it eats into the hearts and conscience.

02:27:30.000 Of our people.

02:27:32.000 And if, of course, we continue to lose our democratic way of life, it'll never happen.

02:27:38.000 Well, how obvious is it, not just the evidence, as you said, of it being a Reichstag staged event, but at the same time, the fact that how they used it, and how we have all these memos and talking points, and Republican writers in the paper saying, we need another 9-11.

02:27:52.000 Did you hear about that in the Philadelphia?

02:27:55.000 Did they actually say that?

02:27:57.000 The Philadelphia News, and we also have the Republican Memos, came out, what, three months ago?

02:28:02.000 Big Neo Conrader and said, 9-11 helped us unite, we need another one.

02:28:07.000 Jesus Christ.

02:28:09.000 Well, George Bush certainly does.

02:28:12.000 He's a biggie.

02:28:15.000 But, Alex, the seeds of this of this disease were planted a long time ago.

02:28:22.000 You know Schmedley Butler's speech, don't you?

02:28:25.000 War is a racket.

02:28:26.000 Stay there.

02:28:26.000 When we come back in the final segment with Ed Asner, let's talk about Schmedley Darlington Butler.

02:28:31.000 He's in my new film, Endgame, when he uncovered the Nazi plot to overthrow the U.S.

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02:28:39.000 We'll be right back with Ed Asner.

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02:32:29.000 We were just talking during the break about icons, how we need those symbols.

02:32:33.000 Cindy Sheehan was first interviewed on this radio network, first interviewed on this show and other shows on this network, when nobody knew who she was.

02:32:40.000 And I'm really proud of the fact that she got traction here.

02:32:42.000 And single-handedly, with the support of the American people, she really shot down the support for the war.

02:32:48.000 When she started, it had like 50% support.

02:32:50.000 Now it's got about 20% support.

02:32:52.000 And you were talking during the break about watching them eat her away, and how the Democrats basically slit her throat.

02:32:58.000 Can you comment on that?

02:33:00.000 Well, naturally she didn't name any names, but when she retired from the field of battle, I think the implications were quite clear that the Democrats, the Liberals, the Progressives, whoever you want to call them, used her to their extent, tried to steer her and control her.

02:33:20.000 And finally, that exercise just became too strenuous upon her and she retired from the field of battle.

02:33:28.000 So this is what happens.

02:33:29.000 The good guy... Much smaller, except I found when I was president of the Screen Actors Guild that I knew who my enemies were.

02:33:43.000 I knew how I could speak out on them.

02:33:47.000 Where it became taxatious is where my friends defied me, opposed me, tried to ridicule me.

02:33:57.000 And they were my friends and people that I had supported and who supported me into the presidency.

02:34:03.000 And one of the reasons they supported me was they thought they could exert control over me 100% of the time.

02:34:10.000 When it wasn't 100% of the time, then they would turn against me.

02:34:14.000 So that's who you have to deal with.

02:34:15.000 That's what makes it difficult when you're in a seat of power.

02:34:22.000 Totally different issue, but you've got expertise on this.

02:34:24.000 What do you think of the Ryder strike?

02:34:27.000 I'm 100% for it.

02:34:28.000 It's long overdue.

02:34:31.000 Writers are the greatest intellects in the business of showbiz.

02:34:43.000 I think every time that they have gone out on strike, they have done it for legitimate and moral reasons.

02:34:50.000 For them to do it now?

02:34:52.000 And bear in mind that when the writers go out on strike, they're signaling what is necessary for the other unions to receive remuneration for.

02:35:03.000 So that's what industry, even management, fears the most.

02:35:07.000 Because if the writers get anything, then the others will expect it as well.

02:35:12.000 Well, I agree with you.

02:35:13.000 I mean, couldn't you say riders are the skeleton?

02:35:15.000 I mean, they're literally the form that everything's built around.

02:35:18.000 Exactly.

02:35:19.000 Exactly.

02:35:21.000 On the subject of you saying Bush needs... The icebreaker.

02:35:24.000 The icebreaker.

02:35:26.000 Before the break, you got into Bush needing a biggie.

02:35:29.000 Every intellectual mind, the left-right center, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, father of economics, has come on this show and said they clearly are moving for martial law.

02:35:39.000 He thinks they're going to stage something.

02:35:41.000 Everybody I talk to from the entire spectrum says that Bush has got to do that or he's sunk.

02:35:47.000 I hope that's not the case.

02:35:49.000 Where do you see this going?

02:35:51.000 Well, what do you mean, what do they mean when he's sunk?

02:35:54.000 He's only got a year left in office.

02:35:57.000 What does that mean, he's sunk?

02:35:59.000 His whole agenda to go into Iran, to, you know, all this stuff.

02:36:03.000 Well, I mean, he's not sunk.

02:36:04.000 He's a multi-millionaire now.

02:36:07.000 He will be the darling of fascists throughout the world.

02:36:13.000 What, uh... What do you mean then by he needs a biggie?

02:36:16.000 What does he need?

02:36:18.000 Well, if he wants to go so far as to proclaim himself emperor forever, then he'd have to do something like that to be legitimized in creating martial law.

02:36:30.000 He would have to create the bombing.

02:36:33.000 We would have to react in some form or another.

02:36:36.000 But I suppose before he goes into Iran, he'll try to create an incident here, which can be Like he laid Al-Qaeda at Iraq's doorstep, I'm sure he'll create an incident here, and try to create some Iranian terrorists.

02:36:56.000 I know, it's amazing to me that you have Iran that is Shiite, and the news keeps saying Al-Qaeda is coming out of Iran, then the White House four months ago puts out what Sy Hershaw reported, that for three years they've had real Wahhabist Sunni Al-Qaeda groups attacking the Iranian frontier, and then the media says Iran is Al-Qaeda.

02:37:16.000 Well, that's how ignorant we are.

02:37:18.000 We, the people, are ignorant about the fine points and departments and sections of the Arab world.

02:37:29.000 We know nothing about the Arab world.

02:37:30.000 It's over a billion people.

02:37:33.000 And I guess we're as ignorant about the Arabs as we are about the Chinese.

02:37:39.000 It's amazing.

02:37:40.000 In closing, I'd like to get you back up, or if you've got the time.

02:37:42.000 You know, it's like one of the guys that was stationed with me in France.

02:37:46.000 Well, fortunately I was during the Korean War.

02:37:49.000 And who wrote the letter home and said, my God, he said, the Mules are so intelligent over here, they even understand French.

02:37:59.000 Oh, man.

02:38:00.000 Yeah, there was a professional football player, star from the Dolphins, who was hiring an interpreter for his week-long stay in England.

02:38:10.000 Well, I can understand that.

02:38:12.000 I think he was a very intelligent fellow.

02:38:16.000 Ed, I'm going to have to get you back up on all the environmental crises, but briefly can you speak to that?

02:38:20.000 But I wanted you to talk about Smedley Butler since you raised that.

02:38:23.000 Yeah, well, what I want to say is that this is all a culmination of what the military-industrial complex has done to this country.

02:38:33.000 And it has existed for probably a hundred years.

02:38:37.000 I don't know for how long.

02:38:39.000 But when Smedley Butler testified about the Nazi plot to replace Roosevelt, And who was behind it, etc.

02:38:47.000 He also gave a wonderful speech with People Should Look Up.

02:38:50.000 How he took Nicaragua for the Brown Brothers, which was a big banking firm.

02:38:55.000 How he took Honduras for United Fruit.

02:38:57.000 How he took this place.

02:38:59.000 I mean, we have invaded, invaded, invaded.

02:39:01.000 We have used our small pocket armies everywhere.

02:39:05.000 We are now in 150 countries in the world.

02:39:08.000 I think our army has stations there.

02:39:12.000 So we have been seeking, we call ourselves this great democracy, but we seek world domination in our own way and have not.

02:39:21.000 Well now they're converting the military to mercenaries and saying they're going to use Halliburton domestically in the drug war and quote for the border.

02:39:28.000 I mean now with immunity we're going to have Halliburton here!

02:39:31.000 I mean not Halliburton, I'm losing my mind here, Blackwater.

02:39:38.000 Well, I mean, they're all tied in together, for God's sake.

02:39:42.000 And when you get such an austere organization such as the State Department using Blackwater, that's like Jesus dealing with the barbarians.

02:39:55.000 And these guys are thugs and killers.

02:39:57.000 I mean, they're Hessians.

02:40:00.000 They're paid to shoot and to kill, and God knows what their mentality must be like.

02:40:05.000 So I hear them greatly.

02:40:08.000 And when we can't get our citizen army, if that's what you want to call it, to do what we want, we know we can always count on our Blackwater boys.

02:40:17.000 Our Blackwater boys now domestically operate, I mean, it's like they're going down a checklist, like Naomi Wolf says, a checklist of every, you know, point of tyranny that Mussolini and Hitler and others developed, and they're just doing it.

02:40:32.000 Yeah.

02:40:33.000 I know.

02:40:35.000 So, what is Congress going to do about Blackwater?

02:40:38.000 I haven't heard any legislation that's been passed.

02:40:42.000 I guess they did say now they're subject to army rules.

02:40:47.000 Is that what they say?

02:40:48.000 Well, even the FBI and the Army said they murdered those 14 people.

02:40:52.000 It was more than that.

02:40:52.000 It should be charged with murder.

02:40:54.000 Even our own FBI, our own Army and Bush says no.

02:40:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:40:59.000 But you're right, it's not just Bush, the Democrats, Hillary keeps claiming they need more Democrats to change things, they've got it!

02:41:05.000 They could be saying no to the war right now!

02:41:08.000 What do you think is going to happen to the Democrats if they've totally deserted their base?

02:41:13.000 If they totally, what do you mean?

02:41:14.000 Well, I mean, they totally deserted their base, they were sent there to end the war, and then they're not.

02:41:21.000 Oh, well, they've totally deserted their base for a long time, my friend.

02:41:28.000 They know that so far... We need a third party is what we need.

02:41:35.000 We truly need a peace and freedom party.

02:41:39.000 But they know that so far they're the only game in town for anybody who's progressive, for anybody who loves peace, for anybody who wants to not engage in foreign expeditions.

02:41:53.000 Absolutely.

02:41:53.000 Ed Asner, we've got to get you back up in the near future.

02:41:56.000 God bless you and I appreciate you spending time with us, sir.

02:41:59.000 Yeah, a delight to be with you.

02:42:01.000 Thank you.

02:42:03.000 What a gentleman, Ed Asner, ladies and gentlemen.

02:42:05.000 Boy, they painted him up like the devil, and it's certainly not the case.

02:42:10.000 You know, you could even disagree with him on some things, but people agree with his spirit, his kindness, his honesty, his gravitas.

02:42:17.000 Just like Ron Paul.

02:42:18.000 There's a lot of liberals who don't agree with him on everything, but they're voting for him.

02:42:22.000 And I'll just tell the Democrats this right now.

02:42:23.000 If you don't go switch Republican, Or you don't go vote split party, vote wherever you want, but for president and in these primaries, if you're in Nevada, if you're in Michigan, if you're in New Hampshire, if you're in Iowa, you better get in there and vote for Ron Paul.

02:42:36.000 And I don't want to hear, oh, there's election fraud, Alex, you said there's fraud.

02:42:39.000 More of a reason to vote.

02:42:41.000 More of a reason to get in there and do exit polls.

02:42:43.000 More of a reason to illustrate what's happening.

02:42:45.000 They don't have these machines in nationwide, and they're under heat, and they're getting sued, and states are throwing them out, and a lot of other things are happening.

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02:43:02.000 Zogby spins poll results to marginalize Ron Paul, ignored Texas Congressman's domination of nearly every category to focus on single Giuliani success.

02:43:12.000 Good job, Paul Watson.

02:43:14.000 In their press release about the results of the new telephone poll, Zogby chose to marginalize Ron Paul by highlighting a demographic that was won by Rudolph Giuliani, while largely ignoring the fact that the Texas congressman completely dominated almost every other aspect of the poll.

02:43:29.000 Under the headline, Giuliani leads among Republicans in latest blind bio-survey, the Zogby press release reads, former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani Long the favorite in nationwide samples of likely Republican voters in 2008's race for the party's presidential nomination as the strongest resume of the top four contenders a new Zogby International survey shows.

02:43:53.000 He does not have.

02:43:55.000 In the survey bio poll, Ron Paul won almost everything.

02:43:59.000 It's gotta be like 50 questions, he won like 48 of them.

02:44:03.000 I know of two he lost.

02:44:04.000 The telephone survey, known as the Blind Bio Poll, because likely voters are given details of the candidates' resumes without their names attached, shows Giuliani wins 34% support, compared to 22% each for Thompson and Romney.

02:44:17.000 Ron Paul, who has surged recently in polls, and has a significant online following, came in last with 13% support, while 9% said they were undecided on the question.

02:44:27.000 Only at the end of the article does Zogby's statement admit, quote, the Blind Bio question was also poised to a larger poll of 1,009 likely voters nationwide, including Democrats and Independents.

02:44:40.000 And Paul was the big winner among the universe of voters, winning 33% compared to 19% for Giuliani, 15% for Romney, and 13% for Thompson.

02:44:50.000 Zoghvi focuses on Giuliani's success in one demographic, is completely misleading, and obfuscates the fact that Ron Paul won 90% of the categories in the survey.

02:44:59.000 It's more than that.

02:45:00.000 The fact that the headline of the press release trumpets Giuliani, who distantly lags behind the congressman, is nearly all the key demographics, is a clear case of total spin.

02:45:09.000 Ron Paul dominated categories where the sample was both traditionally Republican and Democratic votes.

02:45:15.000 Voters were asked which platform they favored.

02:45:17.000 Candidates A and D were Ron Paul and Rudolph Giuliani, respectively, but they were not directly named.

02:45:25.000 And it goes on, amongst born-again Christians, Ron Paul polled 29.6%, with Giuliani garnering 22.5%.

02:45:28.000 with Giuliani garnering 22.5%.

02:45:32.000 Amongst people with the military and their families, 33.3% sent support Paul's platform, while 18% supported Giuliani.

02:45:40.000 Amongst NASCAR fans, Ron Paul pulled 32.5%.

02:45:43.000 Amongst women, 34.7% favored Ron Paul's platform over Giuliani's 17%.

02:45:45.000 Amongst African Americans, Paul trounced Giuliani, 45.5%.

02:45:47.000 Giuliani's 9.1%.

02:45:48.000 Paul's platform over Giuliani's 17%.

02:45:51.000 Amongst African Americans, Paul trounced Giuliani 45.5%.

02:45:55.000 Giuliani's 9.1%.

02:45:58.000 40.5% support Paul, 9.1% support Giuliani.

02:46:04.000 Ron Paul's sweep in all these categories and many more was clearly the biggest story to come out of the poll, yet Zogby chose to highlight Giuliani's rare success.

02:46:13.000 There is no doubt that Giuliani beats Paul on name recognition alone, but the fact that the congressman is surging ahead and getting momentum while capturing the sentiment of the nation was the biggest story to come out of this poll, but Zogby chose to stifle it.

02:46:27.000 Proving once again that the self-fulfilling media obsession with relentlessly focusing on establishment-approved candidates while marginalizing others only upholds the status quo and hurts the democratic process.

02:46:38.000 And we're going to do other articles, folks.

02:46:39.000 There's so much here.

02:46:40.000 And, you know, Zogby, yeah, they could say he won that part of the poll, and that's fine.

02:46:44.000 Ron Paul did win 90 plus percent of the other sections.

02:46:47.000 And so, you know, Spinn, whatever you want to call it, you heard their director on media and one of their chief analysts, chief analyst.

02:46:54.000 He said, I am the chief analyst, but I don't want to brag.

02:46:56.000 You know, there's an inner circle of analysts, but I'm, you know, the bad guy around here.

02:46:59.000 Basically, that's what he told me off-air.

02:47:00.000 But the point is, he's the head of media relations, and he's the director of that.

02:47:07.000 And he said, oh no, we've never had the government more disliked, more distrusted, more disenfranchised, but we've never had people more awake to this, and the Internet's taking over, and the question is, when will it dominate?

02:47:17.000 This election or in the future?

02:47:19.000 And so, he was pretty fair on air, so we'll probably do a story, and maybe add to this that that's their perspective, to look at Giuliani and say, oh, but he won with Republicans.

02:47:31.000 Well, the point is, Ron Paul surged, even compared to past polls, getting 15%, and I forgot to ask him why they put out in their press release 13.

02:47:40.000 That's a point we need to point out.

02:47:41.000 It was 15, not 13, against Giuliani for conservative voters.

02:47:46.000 Likely conservative voters.

02:47:47.000 So this is a big deal, and...

02:47:50.000 People need to get the Zogby Spins poll results to marginalize Ron Paul, and it'll be censored by Digg and the entire other universe of mainstream websites.

02:47:58.000 So it's up to you, ladies and gentlemen, to take the ball and run with it, because Ron Paul is doing extremely well here.

02:48:08.000 And the big news is, you just heard one of the head guys at Zogby on this show.

02:48:14.000 You heard the head of Zogby, Mr. Zogby, last week say Ron Paul could win and is now up to 15 points in some polls in New Hampshire.

02:48:21.000 That's big news, but now you heard him say that yes, out of all the Republicans, Ron Paul does better against Hillary and would be better to run against Hillary.

02:48:29.000 Now, I'm going to ask Republicans a question.

02:48:31.000 I know you don't care about, most of you, about actual issues, or actual conservatism, or actual constitutional issues.

02:48:37.000 Which Ron Paul is not just a great candidate, he is founding father material.

02:48:41.000 But on a silver platter, you're being given Ron Paul, the only person that can beat Hillary Rodham Clinton, that nightmare witch.

02:48:51.000 So listen to me good.

02:48:53.000 You just heard the preeminent polling out there.

02:48:55.000 You could say it was Zogby or Gallup.

02:48:57.000 Zogby's becoming preeminent.

02:48:58.000 You could say it's number two, but most people say it's number one.

02:49:01.000 So the number one polling group in the world, Zogby International, of New York, New York, tells you that Ron Paul, for every demographic in this poll and all the others, is the man that can beat Hillary.

02:49:15.000 The Republicans are absolutely unpopular in spades.

02:49:18.000 Hillary is going to win, as I told you six months ago, when Ron Paul announced.

02:49:23.000 Unless we get behind Ron Paul.

02:49:27.000 He has to win this nomination.

02:49:30.000 We have to pull out all the stops, throw caution to the wind, and get aggressive and do experimental things like I did with this poll.

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02:49:44.000 He is only a focal point, a standard, a signet.

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02:53:08.000 You know, one of the most horrible things about living in a police state is they're able to set it up, which they're trying to.

02:53:16.000 They're accelerating it now that we're wise to them.

02:53:21.000 They said all their minions and pomps and pimps and servants, like a huge baggage train of cockroaches following after the goblins of the New World Order and feeding on their leavings and droppings.

02:53:31.000 We had to bow down to them in their little black uniforms and their little insignias and badges and just an entire group of maggots seething across the horizon.

02:53:43.000 And to have Fox and CNN and all of them going, oh, let's taser, let's beat people to the Pope for their free speech.

02:53:51.000 You people aren't going to be able to continue to confront our people!

02:53:53.000 There's a threat!

02:53:54.000 There's a terror threat!

02:53:56.000 See, they're saying the terror threat is us.

02:53:58.000 Ron Paul, let's use the military against his supporters, these libertarians and anti-war people!

02:54:04.000 It's that small government group and their supporters, the established corporations that own their pimps, own their prostitutes, And they literally are declaring war on us because they know we're awake.

02:54:16.000 Liberal, conservative, all of us have to come together now, as I keep preaching for years, and see the new world order as the threat and the enemy.

02:54:25.000 They declared us their enemy.

02:54:27.000 And this is the facts, this is the reality, this is what we face as a society.

02:54:33.000 I'm begging you, come to this Republic's aid when it needs you.

02:54:39.000 I mean, we got articles on PrisonPlanet.com.

02:54:41.000 Frankly, nobody else is doing this.

02:54:44.000 You know, Mamie Wolf will write about it, get a bunch of attention, but... And she says it's all bullish.

02:54:48.000 Oh, it's a lot bigger than that, sister.

02:54:51.000 Host says dissenters should be tased and beaten to a pulp.

02:54:54.000 That's a headline.

02:54:55.000 He says it.

02:54:55.000 That's a big deal.

02:54:57.000 Calling for violence.

02:54:59.000 Trying to normalize this.

02:55:01.000 I told you that's what 24 is for.

02:55:04.000 We have Zogby spinning results to marginalize Ron Paul.

02:55:08.000 We need to counter that so people see this and understand.

02:55:10.000 This is an education.

02:55:11.000 That's why I did it.

02:55:15.000 We need these stories to get out to everybody.

02:55:17.000 They won't unless you email them.

02:55:19.000 Unless you send them on your blog.

02:55:21.000 And look, don't give me credit.

02:55:22.000 I even called it Jones Productions without a link to InfoWars.

02:55:25.000 They offered that.

02:55:26.000 I said no.

02:55:27.000 Jones Productions.

02:55:29.000 So that the other patriots and people that are, you know, the leadership who are jealous of me all freaked out because I put my life on the line and I work 18 hours a day.

02:55:36.000 Don't give me attention!

02:55:38.000 Say you did the poll!

02:55:39.000 I don't care!

02:55:40.000 That's why I called it Jones Productions.

02:55:44.000 Don't cut it out.

02:55:44.000 Just say in a poll by Zogby.

02:55:46.000 Just report that Ron Paul's winning.

02:55:49.000 Please?

02:55:54.000 I mean, let me tell you the backside stuff.

02:55:56.000 I know how people are out there.

02:55:57.000 Not you, the good people, listening all over the world, but, you know, this nature of power and whatever, and it's nature to be a number one in some movement.

02:56:04.000 I know what it is, the danger of being point man, the danger of being a major leader.

02:56:09.000 I'm freaked out about it.

02:56:09.000 It's incredible weight on me.

02:56:11.000 Other people don't see that or understand that.

02:56:14.000 Just please, I want to hear every talk show host on this network, on other networks, I want to hear you all talking about this poll.

02:56:22.000 Okay, I want to hear you all exposing this.

02:56:25.000 We went and did a fair poll, and Ron Paul won.

02:56:28.000 Across the board, from NASCAR, to blacks, to Hispanics, to women, to libertarian, to liberal, and the head of Zogby, their head analyst and head of public relations said, yeah, he's the best against Hillary.

02:56:42.000 That is big news.

02:56:44.000 So take our data, write your own articles for your websites, don't give us credit.

02:56:47.000 I don't care about credit!

02:56:49.000 Frankly, I don't want credit anymore!

02:56:52.000 It's dangerous doing what I do, you twits!

02:56:56.000 Infowars.com, PrisonPlanet.com.

02:56:58.000 Get in game.

02:56:58.000 Make copies.

02:56:59.000 Aggressively.

02:57:00.000 Viciously.

02:57:02.000 No, we're bringing the enemy to their knees.

02:57:04.000 And they can kill individuals, but they cannot kill ideas, ladies and gentlemen.

02:57:07.000 They cannot kill the truth, and it's rising.

02:57:10.000 The sleeping giant is rising worldwide against the New World Order.

02:57:16.000 Against the globalists.

02:57:18.000 Go to Infowars.com.

02:57:19.000 Get in game.

02:57:20.000 You want to hear all the analysis on the poll and a lot more?

02:57:23.000 It restarts right now at Infowars.com.

02:57:25.000 If you're on the internet, you can listen to the streams right now.

02:57:28.000 Key information coming up at Infowars.com.

02:57:35.000 Thank you for listening to GCN.

Alex Jones Show - November 20, 2007

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