Alex Jones is joined by Forbes writer Benjamin Holford to discuss the Ron Paul campaign, Dennis Kucinich, the New Hampshire recount, and much more. Also, Nelson Linder, head of the Austin branch of the NAACP, comes on the show to talk about Ron Paul.
00:00:59.000Coming up for most of the second hour, joining us from Tokyo, Japan, will be Forbes writer Benjamin Holford.
00:01:07.000He left Forbes voluntarily about a year ago, and they wouldn't let him publish different reports about a global group of Asian mafia, or basically the Triads.
00:01:18.000Reportedly at war with Western Mafia, Western Mafia, the highest levels of our governments, and so I interviewed him Friday for about 30 minutes.
00:01:28.000We had so much news going on that I said I wanted to bring him back, and undoubtedly later this week I'm going to have him back here on the weekday show for a part three, because there are some guests where they just have so much information that coincides, though, with a lot of news we're covering, so we have to partition them off and break the interviews into several pieces.
00:01:54.000But we're going to have him on later this week.
00:01:56.000He wanted to talk more about the recount he's launched in New Hampshire.
00:01:59.000We'll give you the details of that, questioning the vote there.
00:02:04.000With Congressman Dennis Kucinich, one of the other Republican candidates running, is protesting the election there.
00:02:12.000And see, we're having a recount, supposedly, of the Democratic and Republican races from earlier this week because of major discrepancies and problems.
00:02:20.000And the man running the company, a convicted narcotics trafficker, they seem to always be.
00:02:24.000So we'll be recapping that, getting into some new developments there as well today.
00:02:32.000There's a big controversy By the Ron Paul supporters out there across the nation.
00:02:37.000In fact, I've seen them upset about anything, even remotely rivaling this, about the fact, I'd say it's running 50-50, about half the people out there on the blogs and the different websites and the different chat rooms and the emails I'm getting, the phone calls I'm getting.
00:02:54.000I'd say about half of Ron Paul's supporters are just very angry right now that he is not calling for a recount himself.
00:03:03.000Ron Paul, today, put out a statement on that.
00:03:06.000It's at PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com.
00:03:09.000It's obviously at the presidential website.
00:03:13.000He's saying they can't prove that there was election fraud in New Hampshire, though he said Friday in a statement that he wouldn't put it past people to do it.
00:03:21.000Folks in Ohio just went to prison for stealing the votes for Bush in 2004.
00:03:55.000I am fully behind the Congressman, and he is the best man for the job.
00:03:59.000Does that mean I agree with everything the Congressman does?
00:04:02.000In fact, I disagree with some things I do two or three weeks later.
00:04:07.000And so, none of us are perfect, and I certainly see the Congressman's strategy, and I don't have to read into the things that I've seen the Congressman do, because he stated why he's done them.
00:04:18.000But when I was reading into what he was doing earlier in the week, it turned out in his own statements that that is indeed the case.
00:04:25.000So, we'll talk about this situation coming up.
00:04:28.000Also, The bottom of the hour in about 20 minutes, Nelson Linder, the head of the Austin branch of the NAACP, has been kind enough to come on the show.
00:04:41.000I called him just a few hours ago and he agreed to come on the broadcast.
00:04:47.000and has been friends with Ron Paul, been interviewed himself and talked to by Ron Paul going back over 20 years.
00:04:53.000And so I thought Mr. Linder would be an ideal individual.
00:04:56.000He's an African American himself, a black man to come on and talk about Ron Paul with the exaggeration, the out of context, the twisting.
00:05:07.000And yeah, there are some also some unsavory things in these Literally thousands of newsletters.
00:05:13.000At one time, Paul had seven different newsletters under his name.
00:05:16.000Companies would pay him to use his name at different gold companies and groups, and generally he wouldn't even read the content.
00:05:24.000I was approached by some folks who wanted to ghostwrite some books and magazines and things, and I said no, because I knew that things would end up getting written in my name, and I don't have the time to vet it all and document it all myself, so I just said no.
00:05:36.000But Ron Paul, back in the 80s, made that mistake, and he said it's a mistake.
00:06:52.000You know, they'll say things like Ron Paul called Martin Luther King a homosexual pedophile.
00:06:58.000And then you go actually read the newsletter that somebody else wrote and it says he was a womanizer.
00:07:05.000So see the media, dominant media, is also... That's quite a twisting, isn't it?
00:07:10.000That's quite a puffing up or exaggeration, isn't it?
00:07:15.000Or there'd be a line about, yeah, some of the political parties are scared of David Duke because of his state's rights platform.
00:07:21.000It wasn't endorsing David Duke, it was saying that the establishment was scared of him.
00:07:26.000Pretty amazing, the standard they'll hold people to.
00:07:30.000Or there was a comment there about gays.
00:07:33.000And this was written by Paul, by the way.
00:07:35.000He said, oh yeah, I did write that, in one of the newsletters, saying that homosexuals, some of them wanted to catch HIV.
00:07:44.000Well, just two years ago, the cover of the Rolling Stone, hardly an anti-gay magazine, came out in a whole thing, a cover story called Bug Chasers.
00:07:59.000Because I'd heard this before and I didn't believe it.
00:08:01.000And I read the article and it was like, oh yes, I want AIDS, oh I can't wait to get it.
00:08:06.000So see, Ron Paul was a medical doctor and he said he was experiencing that talking to other doctors that he worked with in the newsletter.
00:08:14.000So see, a lot of it is true in things he wrote, but taken out of context.
00:08:19.000I'm sorry he was ahead of his time in 88 and knew what the Rolling Stone knew in, what was it, 2005?
00:08:29.000Walking chew gum or talking to chew gum or like Rowdy Rowdy Piper says in, uh, They Live, I can't, uh, you know what, kick butt and chew gum.
00:08:38.000I think he says it a little bit more serious than that.
00:08:41.000We'll post Bug Chasers on PrisonPlanet.com, a link to it, and then we're going to call for Rolling Stone to apologize for their hatred of homosexuals.
00:08:51.000See, this is the type of distortion... See, I said I was going to get to this in the next segment, and I'm already doing it now, aren't I?
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00:14:15.000Again, coming up in the next segment after the news, we're going to be talking to Nelson Linder.
00:14:21.000He is the head of the NAACP here in Austin, Texas, with his take and view on Congresswoman Ron Paul and the entire racism controversy.
00:14:32.000Right now, let me get into the issue that threatens to split the Ron Paul revolution down the middle.
00:14:40.000You don't think the establishment was just going to leave Ron Paul alone.
00:14:44.000You don't think that the media wasn't going to bridge things up and exaggerate things and outright lie about Ron Paul, did you?
00:14:52.000No, they're going to try to create wedge issues.
00:14:54.000They're going to try to make controversies.
00:14:57.000And at the same time, we have to have thick skins who are supporters of Ron Paul, or people who are supporters of the First Amendment for that matter, or our electoral process.
00:15:10.000And Ron Paul did come out with a statement on Friday saying, look, our enemies, enemies of liberty, are not above election fraud.
00:15:19.000And expanding on that, we just had a bunch of people who ran the Ohio election, Which we knew was stolen from Kerry go to prison!
00:15:29.000Now I want to be clear with so-called mainline conservatives out there.
00:15:34.000I'm not choosing to say the election was stolen because I like Kerry.
00:15:39.000Any more than I'm choosing to say there's a lot of suspicious things happening with Barack Obama in New Hampshire.
00:15:46.000I don't just because I don't like Hillary then decide to come out and say okay it looks like she stole from Barack Obama.
00:15:54.000I'm just going where the facts lead me.
00:15:58.000Now that said, something is rotten in the state of New Hampshire.
00:16:02.000We had Howard Dean in 2004, 10 points in the polls, scientific polls that generally have about a margin of error of 3-4%, very accurate.
00:16:15.000Magically, he's 10 points ahead of Hillary, but he didn't just lose to Hillary, he got 9 points less than her, a 19-point swing, and 81% of the state has the Diebold touchscreen magic machines, which have just been totally proven to be scams.
00:16:34.000And that's where he lost by the whopping 19 points.
00:16:37.000He lost by 9, but he was 10 points ahead.
00:16:53.000I'm a libertarian-style Republican in the past, until I realized both parties were bought off, and so I said, hey, I'm not in any party.
00:17:01.000A Ron Paul comes along, I get behind him.
00:17:03.000I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm simply giving you the facts.
00:17:06.000So, New Hampshire pops up, the same guy, Sylvesto, Silvesto that runs this company with Diebold machines that tabulates 80 plus percent of the votes in five states, including 80 plus percent, 81 percent in New Hampshire.
00:17:22.000Then we learn, from people that have been involved in corruption fights against him, that his number two guy at the company was a convicted narcotics trafficker.
00:17:32.000By the way, that's got to be like the 20th time we've caught, it's more than that, Diebold officials, vice presidents, being cocaine dealers.
00:17:38.000It seems like you've got to be one to be in the club.
00:18:29.000And so all that's going on, and then first in one township, and then in two townships, and then in three townships, where he got zero, it turns out he got a bunch of votes.
00:18:42.000Then there's all these thousands of votes, 500 in one county, 50 in another county, they're called townships in New Hampshire, it'll say other.
00:18:50.000They won't say who it was, it'll say other.
00:18:53.000And so we start saying, wait a minute!
00:20:54.000Good job, Trey, getting Dennis Kucinich Friday, by the way.
00:20:59.000to senate surprise Hillary victory a mystery that needs to be solved.
00:21:04.000You can read that up on PrisonPlanet.com.
00:21:06.000So, we even have a clip from HBO Friday night, we're going to play later in the show, just a few minutes of it, of the head of the show coming out and saying that he questions this and it looks suspicious and he doesn't trust these machines.
00:21:24.000So we're not kooks, we're not weirdos, We're not bad.
00:21:29.000Bill Maher and many others are saying this.
00:21:31.000Republicans and Democrats are saying this.
00:21:34.000Something's very suspicious here with Ron Paul and Barack Obama.
00:21:39.000Now Ron Paul put out a statement Friday saying they're not above election fraud.
00:21:57.000He goes on to say that we need to look forward to other states.
00:22:00.000We need not lose our momentum on this.
00:22:02.000He knows he'll look like a sore loser if he does that.
00:22:05.000He knows it's, this is the key, that you can't probably get a real recount.
00:22:09.000We found out the guy running the recount, it's all done behind closed doors.
00:22:12.000If you can pay the 60-something grand by, that's what they quoted Nader a few years ago when he pulled out of it, then just the same people just recount.
00:22:24.000And so I'll finish up with my comments on Ron Paul and where I think this revolution should go.
00:22:29.000You know, we need to just continue to support, because the establishment wants to drive a wedge.
00:22:34.000They want to shut down this campaign, which, if it's anything, is an educational process for the country.
00:22:39.000All right, here's the quick news and important messages, and then your calls on the other side.
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00:27:18.000One day before, and at the exit polls, a lot of them say that people still voted for him as the winner.
00:27:24.000I'm not saying something was funny going on there, but it does bother me that a private company would...
00:27:32.000...runs the polling machines, and that only they certainly seem to know what went on in that... Isn't it interesting that they changed their name from Diebold to, what is it, Precision Elections?
00:27:50.000What I'm glad about is that, in fact, this controversy has come up, and that they're going to go back and take a look, and it's going to elevate the whole voting machine issue in the minds of the American people again before the elections.
00:28:02.000Yeah, I mean, we have so much debate, and there's so much interest in this election, and there's so much debate, and there's so much misogyny, but it all comes to naught if we can't trust what the result is, and... Does that mean you ought to have voter ID?
00:28:30.000We're going to play a little bit more of it coming up later.
00:28:32.000You know, Tony Snobe, the fake conservative of the wolf in sheep's clothing, you know, he pops in, you know, and says, oh yeah, does that mean we need voter ID?
00:28:40.000Which, by the way, at certain levels of my mind, I'm for, but then it gets into other problems of the government knowing how you vote and creating records.
00:28:47.000They've done major studies, universities have, and most of the fraud in elections is done by the machines, by the counties, by the cities, historically.
00:28:58.000I mean, you know, going back to LBJ and the famous, you know, theft when he got into Congress, and Kennedy in Chicago.
00:29:15.000They just went to jail, and us conspiracy theorists, Bev Harris and others, who I've been interviewing ever since she got on their trail in the HBO documentary, Hacking Democracy, and we were called conspiracy theorists until they pled guilty.
00:29:28.000I mean, I've been covering this for 12 years, and if you don't think it's even going on, you've got another thing coming.
00:29:33.000All right, shifting gears, I'm going to get more into the Ron Paul situation from the angle of why he's not calling for a recount now.
00:29:39.000He's trying to look forward, and it's really made the Ron Paul supporters mad.
00:29:43.000I know we have a load of phone lines we're going to get to as well.
00:29:46.000But I really appreciate Nelson E. Linder, president of the Austin NAACP.
00:29:52.000And you can just type Austin, N-double-A-C-P into Google, and it'll take you to their organization website here in Austin.
00:29:58.000I know that Mr. Linder has met and knows Ron Paul going back over 20 years, so I just thought I would call him up and get him on the show, not just because we're on the air in Austin, but we're on the air in Kansas City and San Diego and upstate New York and Florida, Tennessee, a lot of other places.
00:30:15.000So, Mr. Linder, thank you for coming on.
00:30:18.000Thank you, and I appreciate the opportunity to talk to your listeners.
00:30:40.000Please give us your educated take on this as the president of the NAACP here in one of the largest cities in the country.
00:30:47.000I think, Alex, basically the Libertarian Party in itself, because it focuses on state rights, a lot of people, I think, misunderstand their intent.
00:30:55.000I met Ron Paul over 20 years ago, and I looked at his whole platform.
00:30:58.000Clearly, the guy, he's got some very good ideas.
00:31:01.000But I think the problem is, from an African American standpoint, when you talk about state versus federal power, You see, from our history, we've had it bad from both, actually, so we're not really that sympathetic to either, but when you talk about state rights and the Confederacy and those kind of things sometimes, it gets taken out of context.
00:31:19.000I think he's a very honorable guy, but I think when you talk about state rights, you attract people sometimes who are still fighting the Civil War.
00:31:25.000And I've told people close to the party that I think they ought to talk more about social injustice and about the prison-industrial conflict.
00:31:32.000That way, you can have a much more valid conversation, but I think a lot of times, that whole platform For the most part, it confuses a lot of people.
00:31:39.000Well, it's federal sentencing, mandatory sentencing, that if a black man, and that's usually who it was, got caught with less than a gram of cocaine, he gets 25 years in prison.
00:31:53.000But then if you're caught with five or six bags of cocaine, the type that the white lawyers snort, you get a year at the Fed Hilton.
00:32:04.000And Ron Paul has spoken out about that, and he's talked about Martin Luther King being his hero, Rosa Parks being his hero, in video speeches I've seen that are thirty years old, and so the problem is, just like you said, you've been following him for twenty years, this isn't some new Ron Paul that likes Martin Luther King.
00:32:21.000So please speak to that, sir, directly to what you think about some of these newsletters and these statements and things.
00:32:27.000Well, I think, obviously, there's a tank of Ron Paul from the major political parties in this country.
00:32:31.000I mean, for example, Hillary Clinton in the New Hampshire primary attacked basically indirectly MLK.
00:32:37.000Now that was a true example of sexual racism, but people tend to ignore that.
00:32:41.000So I think they have an advantage in trying to diminish from Paul because in reality, let's face it, he's getting a lot of votes from folks who otherwise might vote for them, but I think this is a concerted effort.
00:32:52.000And let's face it, they benefit by talking about Ron Paul, but in reality, from that standpoint, I can find racism in every major political part in this country.
00:33:01.000I just think that when you talk about the Constitution in this country, you're going to scare a lot of people.
00:33:04.000I think personally, as a black man, there should be more focused on civil liberties, no doubt about that.
00:33:09.000And I think if we did that more, we'd prevent some of the state police power and have a better country.
00:33:14.000But in reality, the big boys, the powerful corporations, the folks around this country, they're afraid of us beginning to empower ourselves.
00:33:19.000But I think that Ron Paul, for the most part, is probably getting an unfair deal.
00:33:23.000But at the same time, like I told him before, talk more about social issues.
00:33:26.000Talk more about what you would do to address racism in this country.
00:33:39.000I heard you earlier today speak about this.
00:33:41.000You were discussing out of context, and really that's what they've done, or they've gone and found things that, you know, he just said, yeah, go ahead and sell that newsletter for some gold company under my name, and he spoke out against those 20 years ago.
00:33:55.000I've told the news articles, and he keeps saying, how many times does he have to say he's sorry that a few of these things slipped through out of thousands of issues?
00:34:03.000Well, once again, I think That's all intentional.
00:34:07.000My whole thing is, basically, locally, I hope that more libertarians will get more involved and address more black issues, because in reality, I think, they're misunderstood.
00:34:15.000I think right now, for example, from my standpoint, I like what Barack Obama's doing.
00:34:19.000I'm more of an independent thinker overall.
00:34:21.000We need more independence in this country.
00:34:22.000We need more political involvement, not less.
00:34:24.000We don't need a two-party system in this country, but once again, when you threaten the powers that be, primarily the Democratic-Republican Party with what he's doing, you're making people think.
00:34:33.000He's going to be attacked from every angle.
00:34:35.000That's unfortunate because I think really, all of us know the Constitution.
00:34:40.000If you know it, you read it, you can empower yourself, but let's face it, folks are afraid of the American people empowering themselves and scrutinizing all political parties, not just two major parties.
00:34:49.000Mr. Linder, head of the NAACP here in Austin, is it not suspicious to you that they released this big report that had already been rehashed and discredited 20 years ago on the day, the night before the New Hampshire primary?
00:35:06.000I also think it's very suspicious that Hillary Clinton all of a sudden won at that primary, given the fact she was way behind in the polls.
00:35:12.000I think the whole process needs to be looked at very carefully.
00:35:15.000I would definitely call for a recount, not just with Ron Paul, but in general, because to me it's very fishy.
00:35:20.000The attacks there, the interests of Bill Clinton, who unfortunately is not student of a lot of black people in this country.
00:35:26.000I think the whole Clinton process and what they stand for... What about all these weird statements about how Bill Clinton's more black than Barack Obama?
00:35:36.000And once again, I think a lot of folks don't really study Clinton's history, the record.
00:35:40.000Bill Clinton's from Arkansas, and even though he's had a pretty good record overall, he's also done some very bad things and poor things in terms of racism.
00:35:48.000But once again, when you talk a certain language in this country, Some folks are going to vote for you.
00:35:52.000Well, he supported the mandatory sentences that put 17-year-old black kids away for having 1-100th the amount of cocaine in the White House.
00:36:16.000The DA's office here has a lot of power.
00:36:18.000So I think overall, If we look at the Constitution, and the fact that our rights are being taken away from us, that would change this whole debate, but there is a national attempt right now to make folks focus on a few key issues.
00:36:28.000We have Nelson E. Linder, the President of the NAACP here in Austin, Texas.
00:36:32.000Sir, can you stay with us for a quick three minute break, because I want to come back and let you finish up on the topic that you really want to address today, which ties into what Ron Paul has been saying.
00:36:41.000Oh yeah, the Democrats will talk a good game, but they won't get rid of that mandatory sentencing.
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00:40:03.000Republican candidate Ron Paul needs our support more than ever.
00:40:06.000Ron Paul stands for the issues that need to be addressed and not glossed over and forgotten like the globalist crowd being fielded.
00:40:12.000Unlike other candidates, Ron Paul takes a stand to follow what our forefathers envisioned America to be through the Constitution.
00:40:19.000Dr. Paul will restore sound money, eliminate the IRS, prevent the NAU, get us back to our constitutional roots, and guard our nation here at home by bringing home the troops.
00:42:52.000I'm saying basically knowing Ron Paul's intent, I think he's really trying to improve his country.
00:42:58.000But I think also, Alex, when you talk about a constitution, a constitutional federal government versus a state, I think a lot of folks are going to misconstrue that.
00:43:06.000Especially folks who still believe real big in state rights.
00:43:10.000Some of the folks who are still fighting the Civil War.
00:43:12.000So I think it's very easy for folks who want to take his position out of context, and that's what I'm hearing.
00:43:58.000I just think, basically, he needs to do a better job of talking more to the black community and making sure he's involved more, where his positions are properly understood outside of the civil versus a state rights issue because too often that's going to be taken out of context.
00:44:51.000I know, I mean, that he's a gentleman.
00:44:54.000I mean, almost to the point of being wimpy.
00:44:56.000And he didn't make these statements that they've been saying he made.
00:44:58.000And then they've even taken the statements that were made and expanded and twisted them.
00:45:03.000Well, I mean, that's obviously intentional, Alex, but once again, if you look at Eric Coggins... But like you said, though, he's talking about the Constitution, the establishment's scared of that, because, as you said, I mean, the Constitution's in trouble, isn't it?
00:45:19.000So, yeah, what he's saying really, really is threatening the powers that be, and that's what it is.
00:45:23.000This is a country based on fear right now, and so if you scare the folks that got money, they're going to attack you, and they're going to take it out of context.
00:45:29.000Well, look at how he's not going with the popular thing of saying the Arabs want to drink your blood.
00:45:33.000I mean, look at how, even though that's unpopular with some people, he's still saying that they're not all terrorists and they're not devils, and they don't have, you know, tails they hide underneath, you know, with forked, you know, devil teeth and things.
00:45:45.000I mean, certainly, Ron Paul has never done anything that would put him in that light.
00:45:53.000We don't hear Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney or the other frontrunners talking about the issues that we do hear Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich talking about.
00:46:01.000But I have differences with all major parties in this country.
00:46:04.000But I think it's better we have Ron Paul than we're going to have these dialogues on a much greater fashion to try to educate folks about what he really can do.
00:46:12.000We don't hear Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney or the other frontrunners talking about the issues that we do hear Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich talking about.
00:46:19.000In closing, sir, I mean, there have been so many shootings, so many deaths in the jails of blacks predominantly.
00:46:25.000And then a few times I've even tried to believe the police when they put out a fake story, and then I end up looking like a fool because it turns out they're lying.
00:46:33.000How many black men, how many retarded black men, that seems to be their favorite, homeless, retarded black men, how many black men have to get shot in the back before these cops get in trouble?
00:46:43.000Well, I think to the credit of Alex, Dave had a pretty decent police chief right now, but I think it's bigger than that.
00:47:53.000And he pulls me over speeding, and he felt so bad afterwards he let me go, and he freaks out, pulls a gun out, sticks it to my head, he almost pulled the trigger, I almost was gone, and then he said, oh, sorry, you know, you don't get a ticket, but, you know, darn it, he said something else, you know, that weight belt looked like a gun.
00:48:10.000I think a lot of it, and I think they're even more scary around blacks, because as you said, racism, I mean, I almost got blown away by an Austin cop, so I just think they're just so afraid.
00:48:24.000But I think, once again, if you look at the fact that nobody is prosecuting bad cops in this country, the DA's office, for the most part, has done absolutely nothing.
00:49:07.000Number one, you gotta have a police chief who holds his office accountable and starts there.
00:49:11.000And we need to have civilian review that makes sure that civilians have power to invoke certain decisions.
00:49:17.000I think you need both a good police chief who's accessible, but also folks who are properly educated in the community who know what their rights are.
00:49:23.000Those two things work in a combination of factors.
00:50:30.000What I defend is the principle of libertarianism, where we never see people who belong to a group, and every individual is defended and protected because they're important in the individual, not because of their color of skin, but of their character.
00:50:43.000So I am the anti-racist, because I am the only candidate, Republican or Democrat, who would protect the minority against these vicious drug laws.
00:51:55.000Soon it will be upon us as an overwhelming surprise.
00:51:58.000The world is pressing toward a forced one-world religion.
00:52:01.000The real issue behind this is the union of church and state, nullifying our First Amendment.
00:52:06.000Americans will have to give up their peculiar beliefs and accept what the new world religious leaders prescribe.
00:52:12.000In 2005, President Bush signed the Real ID Act, which goes into effect May 11, 2008.
00:52:18.000Many people believe that this will be the mark of the beast because of the restrictive measures included, which seems to parallel the no buying and selling of Revelations 13, 17.
00:52:27.000In Revelations 14, 9, speaking of the mark of the beast, it says, If any man worship the beast, take notice.
00:53:32.000Joining us, coming up in the next segment from Japan is Forbes writer, writes a lot of other big publications, Benjamin Fulford, to talk about one of the leaders of Japan's second largest party in their Congress, called their Diet, member of Japanese Diet, Dallas official 9/11 fairy tale.
00:53:53.000That's coming up and he's inside the Japanese elite.
00:53:56.000This guy talks to some of the head honchos, including some people inside the Emperor's family.
00:54:01.000And he's got national attention here in the U.S.
00:54:34.000Well, generally, if something failed in the last Congress, it'll have to be brought back out this time, but they've... It openly has thought crimes.
00:54:41.000It's basically book-burning, 21st century style.
00:54:44.000They're going to decide... You know, in the past, they could arrest you if you said, go kill ABC.
00:54:50.000Uh, you know, because that's not free speech.
00:54:54.000They're saying that if you say ideas, the government's going to have kind of a Supreme Soviet board, and it's going to decide what you can and can't say.
00:55:01.000And they said, you're not going to be allowed to say the government stage is terror.
00:55:04.000It doesn't matter if it's declassified in public.
00:55:06.000You're not going to be able to mainline groups.
00:55:08.000You're not going to be able to say the elections are fraud or that there's any voting machine fraud.
00:55:36.000If you go look at the meetings they had a few months ago in conjunction about what homegrown terrorists are in Congress, they were on C-SPAN, they showed architects and engineers from 9-11 truth.
00:55:47.000Hundreds of top architects and engineers saying these buildings had controlled demolitions.
00:55:51.000Of course, there's hundreds of firefighters and police saying, yeah, we were told to get back, they were going to blow it up.
00:55:55.000The firemen saw what they called lava in the basements, which takes 3,000 plus degrees, not 1,800 degree jet fuel.
00:56:03.000It's just, and they just told them all shut up.
00:56:25.000In his breath, an overflowing stream shall reach to the midst of the neck to sift The nation's with the civil vanity and there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people causing them to err.
00:56:40.000I have an antenna through the tip of my nose.
00:56:42.000It's the exact same thing that's been exposed on MKUltra forums.
00:56:47.000And I truly believe that a lot more people on this planet than myself just have these things in our bodies.
00:56:53.000Well, I know a lot of people think that they have microchips implanted in them.
00:56:57.000I know they have national mainstream television shows where they have Doug Vizzata people.
00:57:01.000More often than not, though, People show up at my office, beat on the door, we come to it and they say, you know, look at it, it's firing beams at me, and I look up and it's the sun.
00:57:20.000And you know, that's the problem with all of this, and people, I don't mean the colonies being on medication, I mean people who, who, Can't deal with all this stuff.
00:57:30.000Because there are a lot of real things going on.
00:57:31.000There were tens of thousands of chemical, biological, radiological tests, including a lot of them, killing Americans and U.S.
00:57:59.000But, and I've had serious people, you know, talk about, yeah, when I was a kid, you know, I was in a NASA school in Houston, and here's my NASA card, and here's how it happened to me, and they did a lot of weird, you know, things and drugged us.
00:58:14.000And then I can go look up the program and find out it went on.
00:58:17.000But then there's people who tell me that, you know, the satellites are shooting beams at their head.
00:58:23.000And then I say, okay, I don't have time to talk to you, and they say, oh, are you involved?
00:58:26.000And I'm like, no, so you definitely have schizophrenia, normal, just paranoid delusionals out there.
00:58:32.000And then the general public sees them and thinks, oh, anybody who talks about there even being a trans-Texas corridor is schizophrenic, even though they have the billboards up.
00:58:40.000So you've got to be careful in all of that.
00:58:45.000And just because the mainstream media spins lies, gets it wrong, doesn't mean that the alternative media is right.
00:58:51.000I mean, so much stuff I've seen in alternative media is ten times worse than even the mainstream media.
00:58:56.000That's why I tell you, don't believe anything I'm saying.
00:58:59.000If I tell you the CIA is running most local governments in the country, I have documentation.
00:59:04.000Or if I tell you the CIA was running drills of flying hijacked jets in the World Trade Center and Pentagon at the exact same time, exact same targets on 9-11, I told you that two years before it was in USA Today.
00:59:17.000Well, they carry out drills so that people and other agencies in the NSA, when they pick up the terror chatter, think it's part of the drill.
00:59:24.000It also confused NORAD, where they had 24 blips superimposed on their screens during the drill, so they couldn't track down the real aircraft and send the fighter jets to the right place.
00:59:33.000And we told you that years before it came out and the tape couldn't release.
00:59:43.000government agents from the embassy heads, who were ordered to let them back into the country and told they were CIA, to the FBI agents that have said this, to the Dean of the Defense Language School who said he was forced to train the terrorists.
00:59:53.000That's the head of the school, what public told the AP that.
01:00:09.000See, and the stuff I talk about is hard for people to deal with enough, but then you have the Mexican Attorney General three years ago making his employees take implantable chips.
01:00:50.000Fifteen years ago, they said, we're going to build threat matrix.
01:00:53.000Threat integration, emergency management centers in four county areas and rural areas, pooling resources, and in big cities like Austin or Dallas or even mega cities like New York.
01:01:06.000And first it's to track traffic with the cameras.
01:01:09.000Then they go, oh, we're upgrading you.
01:01:10.000Of course, it was built to begin with.
01:01:12.000I've read government documents on this.
01:01:15.000Then they go, oh, now we're going to use the cameras for crime.
01:01:17.000And oh, now there's a software package that scans their faces and their driver's license and measures their ears and knows the shape of their face and tracks them.
01:01:26.000And we can type in a code and track anybody off their cell phone, even if it's turned off, and track them down to 15 feet.
01:01:32.000Remember, I was telling you this on radio 12 years ago?
01:01:35.000A lot of you have been listening for over a decade.
01:01:56.000I even read government documents on there.
01:01:59.000Then they started mentioning after 9-11, oh yeah, the CIA is going to be every city with the FBI and local cops liaisoning.
01:02:04.000Well, it's illegal for them to operate domestically, but not advise people.
01:02:09.000Well, it came out in Minnesota Public Radio, covered it also, the Pioneer Press, their big paper covered it.
01:02:16.000When Ventura first went to work in 99, there were 23 CIA agents waiting for him, and they just basically said, this is the shadow government, we're here to liaison with you, we're the real government.
01:02:27.000And the CIA jokingly says, well, I didn't know we had that going on, but even if I did, I'm not supposed to tell you.
01:02:35.000Mainly, they're there to run the smack and the coke.
01:02:38.000Make sure, you know, that the wrong people don't get busted and the right people do.
01:02:41.000I want to say hi to all the guys that run Austin out there.
01:02:44.000You really ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
01:02:45.000I'll be right back with Benjamin Fulford from Japan.
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01:07:24.000So, you can see that the Japanese women are in the interview.
01:07:24.000That's a member of the Japanese Diet official questioning the 9-11 story, and he held up big color cards of different video clips, audio clips, government diagrams, design diagrams, stills of video of the collapse of Building 7.
01:07:43.000One of the clips he holds up One of the stills of clips he holds up is a group of firefighters, including a firefighting captain, talking about molten steel, which actually takes about 3,500 degrees.
01:07:56.000People are standing in the holes in the buildings.
01:07:58.000It won't melt them, but then the building collapses and there's molten steel.
01:08:02.000Giant pools of it five weeks later at 2,600 degrees.
01:08:07.000This is one of the things that the Japanese were playing in Parliament, in their government.
01:08:53.000He, of course, went to college for Asian Studies, speaks Japanese, Chinese, been a writer for Forbes many years, financial writer, so they wouldn't let him write the big stories.
01:09:02.000He quit, wasn't fired, and he talks to people in the Emperor's family, you name it.
01:09:07.000Benjamin Fulford, and Mr. Fulford, you're on the inside over there.
01:09:12.000What does it mean to have one of the leaders of the second largest party in Japan openly asking the President about this, and going for 30 minutes through all this evidence on national Japanese television?
01:09:29.000Well, you know, I think that what's happening here is really We're witnessing the end of what's called the 1955 Order.
01:09:40.000That's the government imposed by the CIA and right-wing militarists on Japan after World War II.
01:09:49.000And I think that Japan is going to try to become independent again.
01:09:54.000Now, this does not mean... I mean, the opposition party, you know, really make the public know about all this stuff.
01:10:03.000And opinion polls show that they're very likely to take power this year.
01:10:09.000In fact, it's very unlikely for the ruling party to be able to stay in power any longer because they are extremely unpopular.
01:10:17.000It's not just because of their participation in the so-called War on Terror, but also because of a series of scandals, including a big military procurement scandal Which could involve, you know, lots of senior U.S.
01:11:31.000We have British parliamentarians going public saying inside job.
01:11:35.000We have Bill Christensen, former CIA section chief, Europe, going public.
01:11:38.000We have Robert Baer, who the movie Siriana is about, the most highly decorated living CIA case officer, field commander going public, saying all the evidence says inside job.
01:12:21.000Now, you independently, I've looked you up and you've been covered by the national news with your claims.
01:12:26.000I mean, you've written some of the biggest scandal articles, huge corruption stories in finance, in technology, in Japan.
01:12:33.000You've got the biggest interviews with prime ministers, presidents, corporate heads, the royal family.
01:12:38.000You're the real deal and you make these unbelievable claims.
01:12:41.000You get David Rockefeller interviews like that even after you leave Forbes.
01:12:45.000And then you make all these amazing claims that you learned all this stuff that totally checks out with all my separate research about the global plan to exterminate 80% of us, how the Asians are freaked out.
01:12:56.000I know the US had to deal with China to carry that out in the 70s.
01:12:59.000And so everything you say fits with what I know.
01:13:03.000It's just so incredible that you learned about this from the Asian angle.
01:13:07.000Start just in a nutshell, like you're talking to five-year-olds.
01:13:10.000I mean, let's say I've never heard this before.
01:13:12.000Explain to me what you discovered, what the Asian Mafia... I say that, I know they're a secret society, but the public doesn't believe those exist.
01:13:21.000Explain what the Asian Mafia told you.
01:13:24.000Well, I mean, I was for a long time a believer in the sort of mainstream corporate propaganda and their whole worldview.
01:13:34.000And I got into this stuff Not through the internet, but directly, you know, through interviews and stuff.
01:13:42.000So I ran into it first-hand, and then I started reading up, you know, about the history of all this stuff.
01:13:48.000But, I mean, in a nutshell, what happened was, I started studying... I was a financial journalist, and then I got involved in the bad debt issues.
01:14:00.000And then I found out that most of the bad debt was held by gangsters, which just didn't make sense, right?
01:14:06.000So I started to find gangsters to interview, the Yakuza mobsters, and they explained to me that they were middlemen.
01:14:13.000They just took all these bad loans, and they took a percentage, and then their money was disappearing into the hands of politicians.
01:14:21.000So I started uncovering also a systematic series of murders, where they would make it look like a suicide, but it was actually a murder of senior government officials.
01:14:34.000And I was thinking, well, you know, and I was just really appalled.
01:14:38.000I thought the Japanese government was horrible.
01:14:40.000And I was going to write a book in English that was going to completely blow these people up, name names, name people, you know, even prime ministers involved in murders here.
01:14:50.000I was going to do all that, and then I would have to either be killed or get the hell out of Japan.
01:14:54.000I sent two chapters to my agent, and the very next day I got a call from the granddaughter of the Meiji Emperor, saying, hey, you should not get the gangsters angry.
01:15:05.000and And it was, you know, amazing timing.
01:15:08.000She told me later that it was the Japanese security police who suggested I call.
01:15:13.000And she called me and, you know, and she gave me a 9-1-1 video that, um, a long, quiet one.
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01:21:19.000How long... I mean, you studied Asian Studies, so you speak Japanese, Chinese, a lot of other languages.
01:21:24.000I guess that's why you moved to Japan.
01:21:26.000How long did you live in Japan before you learned all this?
01:21:29.000Well, I mean, my first job when I came here in 1980 was in a bar as a bartender from 9 p.m.
01:21:37.000to 5 a.m., and the bar was owned and run by a gangster, so I always knew there was a kind of a hidden part of Japan, but it took about 20 years of reporting at the highest level before I started finally to figure out Well, I mean, for a long time, Japan was corrupt and that their democracy was a facade, but... Well, I mean, we know ever since MacArthur won, it was staged in a front.
01:22:02.000Yeah, but I didn't know... and I'd heard little things like about, you know, they're all on the premise of being Freemasons, and I had little bits of evidence.
01:22:12.000I mean, bring this up to, you've gotten to the point where the Emperor's granddaughter comes to you, gives you a 9-11 film, says, look, there's something a lot bigger going on here, and then you learn it's about eugenics, and that the Asians don't want to be killed by the New World Order, and I'm telling you folks, normal people who have half a brain will see the info I've discovered in Endgame, Blueprint for Global Enslavement, my new film,
01:22:33.000And I learned Michael Crichton's written about it now, I'm learning everybody seems to know about it but me, that this is something that in circles of scientists and doctors and important people, that this is the big issue.
01:22:44.000And Benjamin Fulford ran into this because he was again going to publish a book on the mob, and they came to him and said, look, we're just front men, continue.
01:22:52.000Yeah, and when they gave me this 9-1-1 video, my state of mind was that, oh my God, you know, I'm not even going to look at this thing, you know?
01:23:00.000I thought it was some kind of anti-semitic rant or something, right?
01:23:03.000And I was shocked, but she kept calling me and saying... So you're still a mainstream guy, you don't believe in any conspiracies?
01:23:09.000I didn't believe any of this stuff, right?
01:23:15.000I mean, I had been investigating Japan, but I just assumed that everything in the West was as reported by the New York Times, etc., you know?
01:23:26.000When I finally started to watch it, I mean, I know real information when I see it.
01:23:31.000And the problem that happens to a lot of mainstream journalists and guys is they see the evidence about 9-1-1, but then they say, but no, wait a minute, why didn't the New York Times write about it?
01:23:41.000Why didn't the Washington Post write about it?
01:23:53.000One example I use of hundreds, because a lot of people have heard of this, it's been in Time and Newsweek, 40 years after, in the 90s, 40 years after the 50s, they admitted that the government took 4,000 plus foster children and put them in radiation tanks and murdered them, quote, to test radiation.
01:24:14.000And people who can't believe 9-11, well, that's admitted!
01:24:17.000Yeah, yeah, no, it's, uh, once you start seeing through all that, it's just...
01:24:22.000You know, it really is like that movie, The Matrix, where you take the red pill or the blue pill.
01:24:27.000You have to completely change your world view.
01:24:29.000And then when you do, you get really angry.
01:24:32.000Well, I mean, in 68, the army with the CIA was declassified, released a bacteria in the New York subway, dozens died, details remain classified.
01:24:40.000They just, people randomly go into work, just kill them, you know.
01:25:13.000Yeah, and then they've been developing it ever since, and they've been using it.
01:25:16.000Uh, and, look, What they say, what they say in their, you know, nice talk when they want to sound reasonable, they say, look, you know, this planet is only big enough to support people, about one or two billion people, with a European lifestyle, right?
01:25:34.000But what's really going on is they're totally terrified of losing control, and they realize that they don't have control over a lot of the people of the planet, and these people are getting powerful, and so they're scared.
01:25:47.000They say, well, we have to kill them in order to maintain our control of the planet.
01:25:50.000Now, Mr. Fulford, you got all this directly from the emperor's family, the government.
01:25:56.000I mean, now the Japanese government's talking about 9-11 being an inside job on national TV, prime time for 30 minutes.
01:26:02.000So for those in the U.S. listening, in Canada, England, Europe, this is really happening.
01:26:50.000Yeah, well, I mean, out here, like, they had a secret, you know, plan to reduce the Japanese population.
01:26:58.000They've been putting substances in the food supply and stuff that make them impotent, you know.
01:27:05.000By the way, that came out in all the major Australian papers.
01:27:10.000England was using Australia in 1956 to do that, and the Japanese tested the food and found out that is Sydney Morning Herald in all the major papers.
01:27:18.000Again, for the public that doesn't know, absolutely true.
01:27:37.000And it's come out, by the way, since you've been saying this, that scientists do believe it's engineered.
01:27:43.000Yeah, and not only that, it's engineered to only kill Asians.
01:27:49.000And with all these soft kill weapons, it can still kill whites or Africans, if it's engineered for another group, because we're so similar, but it'll kill 10, 20 times as many.
01:28:00.000You know, you've got like a 100% chance of your Asian to die, and like a 5% chance of your white.
01:28:46.000But, you know, and the thing to remember, too, and I know you're aware of this, is that the plan for a new project for New American Century, the people, you know, Cheney and... Yeah, Dick Cheney openly wrote and said we need to use these... These are public documents, so we need to raise specific weapons, we need to legitimize their use, yes.
01:29:06.000Yeah, they said... So the agents... All weapons that can target a particular ethnic group or genotype would be a useful political tool.
01:29:16.000I mean, you know, murdering certain groups of people is a useful tool.
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01:34:29.000The establishment over here is just used to always winning and it's really gotten decadent.
01:34:36.000From your intel, what's now happening as the West finds out that the Asians are aware of their operation?
01:34:45.000Yeah, and it really is an Asian secret society.
01:34:50.000It really has 6 million members of them, 1.8 million, all the Asian gangsters are in there, and they extend to the highest levels of government in Japan, China, Vietnam, throughout Asia.
01:35:04.000This is a really powerful organization, and it only moves For the greater good.
01:35:09.000It's not like some sort of money-making criminal society, although all the crime gangs are involved.
01:35:15.000And they have a list of 10,000 names, all the Bilderbergers, Council of Foreign Relations, all these people, the so-called Illuminati, or whatever you want to call them.
01:35:26.000And they can have them killed if it really comes to it.
01:35:29.000So, you know, the idea I gave them was, target the eye on the top of the pyramid.
01:35:35.000Don't bother with their hired, you know, thugs.
01:35:40.000But see, you have these groups telling you, because you're going to write this big expose, that, and this is where I, and this is where we've got to talk about in the next interview, I have no doubt these are elite groups.
01:35:49.000I have no doubt that the elite is doing this, or the Asians are concerned.
01:35:54.000My whole situation is, the CIA came in in 75, this is public, it's endgame coverage, George Bush Senior was the Chinese ambassador from the U.S.
01:36:05.000He went and got them to sign on to the one-child policy that started as fines and fees and became law in 1981.
01:36:10.000They're now trying to do it here in Australia.
01:36:12.000And the Asians in China, the most populous Asian nation, billion, 300 million now, signed on to that.
01:36:18.000They got 30 million more males than they now have females.
01:36:54.000I mean, there has been some business transactions at high levels of different sorts, but, you know, when they try to murder them with disease, that just blows the whole thing away.
01:37:03.000I mean, that's a deal-breaker, you know?
01:37:06.000And sure, the Chinese have this birth control policy, because, I mean, let's face it, there's 1.3 billion people, and for a long time, a lot of those people were starving to death.
01:37:16.000No, I know, but I mean, they signed onto that, they're in the hip pocket of the West, you know, they own our debt.
01:37:21.000I'm just saying, the Communist Chinese were put in by our government, that's mainstream news now.
01:37:26.000Big Dirty Secret, and we talked about that Friday, Benjamin.
01:37:29.000My point is, and I understand it's a deal-breaker to want to get rid of all of them, so you're saying the Chinese early on said, oh, that sounds reasonable, but now they're firing out the full story?
01:37:37.000Well, yeah, and also, I mean, the other thing you must remember is that although the Communist government was set up by the Americans and stuff, it's no longer under their control.
01:38:08.000I think when Mao died and they arrested his wife, that marked at least that they quit killing 10 million people a year and cut back to a million or so.
01:39:07.000Shortwave internet, satellite, all that.
01:39:09.000Well, Benjamin Fulford, next time we'll talk about when this is all coming to a head.
01:39:13.000Just in a nutshell, from your sources, do they believe we're coming towards a flashpoint or a crisis point, or is the West going to back off, or what's happening?
01:41:16.000Hey, a few days ago I quoted you on one of my mailing lists about how, you know, the whole autism, the shots and stuff like that, and how kids, what we say, happens after 18 months and they have seizures and stuff.
01:41:32.000And I posted that on one of my mailing lists and then somebody countered it by posting this article titled, Removing Tamarisol from Vaccines Did Not Reduce Autism.
01:41:44.000We have a big article that was financed by two big vaccine makers and of course you notice Merck that gave you the arthritis medicine that makes you have a heart attack that sells you the HPV that actually doubles your risk of getting that very cancer.
01:42:04.000Well, he's had a big vaccine recall, and let me try to answer it as succinctly as possible.
01:42:09.000What they did was study, in the last seven years, since 2001, controlled lots of people, because what the Food and Drug Administration said in 2001 was, we want vaccine makers to make lots available of non-thimerosal.
01:42:25.000So you can find and order, and they cost about three times as much, those.
01:42:29.000And for anybody that doubts this, go to the doctor, say, I want a vaccine, and then when they try it out, say, I want to see the insert, and it's going to say thimerosal.
01:43:27.000I've listened to your show a lot, and I've been listening to the shows in the last two or three weeks with all the guests you've had, Michael Rivero and Daniel Estillin and those last guests you just had on.
01:43:38.000A lot of good information is being put out, and I really appreciate people like We Are Change going and chasing these people down and making them be accountable for what they're doing to us.
01:44:16.000I'm not lying to you, and these companies and the media are, and I'm sick of it, and I'm sorry to Andrew, Franklin, Paula, Bill, Keebler, everybody.
01:44:26.000Call me back tomorrow, and I'm on during the day, or call me back next Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m.
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