Alex Jones talks JFK, 9/11, the Mexican farmers protest NAFTA, and Bill Clinton says we have to slow the economy to fight global warming. Alex also talks about the latest in the conspiracy theories surrounding the JFK assassination.
00:00:12.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:16.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:23.000Welcome ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
00:00:42.000It is already the first day of February 2008.
00:00:45.000We're going to be live here for the next three hours.
00:00:50.000In the third hour, in studio, Paul Grudy, he was the funeral director who took the body of Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:00:59.000And then the federal government came in, Secret Service, FBI, and made him put the palm print of Lee Harvey Oswald on the Mannlicher Carcano rifle that supposedly shot three shots in right at six seconds.
00:01:20.000Just another absolute nail in the coffin.
00:01:23.000He lives here in Austin, Texas, and I'm making a film about the JFK assassination.
00:01:27.000The final word is really what it's going to be.
00:01:29.000And, uh, Jim Mars was saying, you know, he used to live in Dallas, but he lives in Austin now, out by Lake Travis.
00:02:15.000It's very frustrating to me that he's been trying to contact me for several years and I get so many thousands of emails to the main email account that we missed it repeatedly.
00:02:25.000So I put the call out, I guess Tuesday, I said, you know, I'm sick of not being able to talk to Paris.
00:02:30.000And he said he liked Road to Tyranny on his website back in 2002 and that 9-11 was an inside job.
00:02:36.000And I got an email from him then, but I can't ever get a hold of him and boom, He somehow got Aaron's number and called yesterday, so he's scheduled to be joining us coming up later in the broadcast as well.
00:02:51.000And you know how much I love his artistry, his work.
00:02:55.000Okay, really big news in the meantime.
00:02:58.000Let me just give you the headlines I have here in front of me.
00:03:02.000Coulter, I will vote for Hillary over McCain, Fox News.
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00:08:55.000The wild card producer, and that is John Harmon up there at the GCN Radio Network.
00:09:00.000I also want to thank all of our Aminathem affiliates.
00:09:02.000I want to thank all of our sponsors, all of our listeners, and I want to thank God for the guidance and protection and all the blessings that I've been given in my life.
00:09:13.000I need to pause more often and just thank the Lord above.
00:09:19.000I also just want to tell the listeners that we live on a beautiful planet.
00:09:36.000It's just a real blessing to even exist and have consciousness.
00:09:42.000And to just have all these amazing wonders around us, and it's sad to me that so many people are depressed, so many people are unhappy with their lives, so many people feel insecure, so many individuals out there think that life is boring.
00:10:08.000And you need to see the magic in life.
00:10:10.000You need to see the beauty in life and appreciate it.
00:10:13.000Madison Avenue is there to make you feel inadequate.
00:10:16.000Madison Avenue is there to make you feel weak and pathetic.
00:10:20.000That's how their whole science started in the last 150 years, to then sell you the newest style each year as you throw out your whole wardrobe, to sell you all the skincare products, to sell you all the crud, or quote, You're not worth anything.
00:10:36.000Well, I'm here to tell you, you are worth something.
00:10:38.000And what does matter is family, and sovereignty, and freedom, and friends, and liberty.
00:10:55.000So for anybody out there who feels inadequate or feels ugly, Or for anybody who's a few pounds overweight and the system tells you you're worthless, you do have value.
00:11:51.000And I turned, as I was there at the entrance, I'd already gone through three checkpoints, to Madison Square Garden, entering into the media entrance, And I thought that I was seeing like a concentration camp victim slash ringwraith.
00:12:15.000And as she was walking towards me, she had rouge on her cheeks.
00:12:20.000It was like a corpse and it had makeup put on it.
00:12:23.000And she had a gaggle of men in suits around her and she was literally Have you ever seen a concentration camp victim or somebody starving to death in Africa or Asia?
00:12:33.000You know, their joints start going out and they're having trouble walking.
00:12:37.000She looked, she was as anorexic as it gets.
00:12:40.000And then she just had these evil eyes stumbling forward, painted up like a corpse, like you'd paint up a corpse.
00:12:47.000And then she just gave me a leering smile and stumbled past me.
00:12:54.000Now, I don't normally go after people for how they look.
00:12:58.000But if you've seen Giuliani in person, he literally looks like an orc or a ghoul.
00:13:14.000I got the same evil from Janet Reno when I talked about how she ran the mass murder op at Waco to her face at the LBJ Presidential Library.
00:13:25.000By the way, that's in Police State 2, the takeover.
00:13:28.000And I brought up the murder of the children and she smiled like a demon and stuck her tongue out and was, you know, enjoying it.
00:13:49.000I've been close, you know, face up to her.
00:13:52.000Back in 97, no, 96, I got into the, well, the radio station said, hey, we were given these passes to cover this film festival, the Governor's Film Festival.
00:14:43.000I've debated her here, where she said the Patriot Act didn't say that they could go after citizens, and I'd read her the subsection, and she would just laugh at me.
00:15:02.000She is there to bind conservatives to her.
00:15:05.000She's there to sell them on the lie of neoconservatism and endless war and tyranny.
00:15:14.000But the reason this report is important is that We told you that Roger Ailes, going back now eight years, I keep saying four or five, years and years have passed, and I just keep using the same number.
00:15:25.000Since the election, since 2001, so that's like seven and a half years, it came out, I got sources in New York, then I saw a few blurbs confirming it, then I reported it, that Roger Ailes consults with Hillary, that they fundraise for, that they covertly supported her first campaign for Senate in 2000,
00:15:48.000Then, by about 2003, we were getting reports that every week he was having two, three, four-hour dinners with her at his penthouse, or at her penthouse.
00:17:17.000About how Clinton and Oliver North and all these people and Bush would come into Arkansas, how they were all in business together in narcotics and the CIA.
00:17:28.000I mean, these guys, this is a government operation.
00:17:33.000And there's just thousands of other pieces of evidence.
00:17:37.000But I have said in the last two years, over and over again, I have said, you will see Fox News endorse Hillary Clinton.
00:17:44.000You will hear Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity endorse Hillary Clinton.
00:17:49.000And you will have so-called conservatives, the guys that festoon their cars with Russia's rights stickers, because they're so invested in neoconism that they think it's conservatism, that they will rebuke us as liberals for being against Hillary.
00:18:05.000Now, I have said that hundreds of times, like a parrot.
00:18:21.000In case you missed it on Hannity & Combs last night, controversial pundit Ann Coulter.
00:18:25.000By the way, she's a Fox News contributor.
00:18:28.000Who supports Mitt Romney for President, says she would back Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat in New York, over Senator John McCain, Republican in Arizona.
00:18:37.000She's more conservative than he is, she said.
00:18:40.000She will be stronger on the war on terrorism.
00:18:42.000I will campaign for her if it's McCain.
00:18:46.000Now McCain's saying, 100 year war, attack everybody, get ready for more wars.
00:18:52.000McCain's wife wears Hillary Clinton pins in this election and the last two elections, the last two that the Clintons were involved in.
00:19:06.000The 92 election, the 96 election, and now this election.
00:19:10.000They openly, Bill Clinton, they played the clip on Meet the Press where he says, this is going to be totally friendly, we're family friends.
00:19:18.000So why would Ann Coulter be saying, oh, he's not pro-Warren, I'm for Hillary?
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00:26:08.000Oh, I guess Hillary's good now, because Coulter's such a good conservative.
00:26:13.000Her books are so sophomoric about torture and secret arrest, and Malkin writes books, The Case for Internment Camps, and Woolsey's behind McCain.
00:26:23.000We've been down to a Woolsey event here at UT called The New World Order was the lecture where he spoke for an hour about putting people in camps in America.
00:26:30.000Yeah, they're just openly selling us on absolute total martial law.
00:26:37.000They're not doing it because they're not planning to try it.
00:26:42.000I think we're going to let Bush fade out, fade into a deep recession, and then Hillary will come in with an inaugural terror attack, and we'll all go, and some people question, could a woman do it?
00:26:53.000But then the terrorist hit us, and hit us hard.
00:26:56.000And after that, the country learned to love her.
00:27:00.000She became like a mother to the nation.
00:27:03.000She held strongly with enemies, and didn't allow dissent, because the country had been so badly damaged.
00:27:09.000And in just two short years, brought us out of depression, into an incredible boom time.
00:27:14.000By dollarizing North America, she brought the dollar back up, made alliances with Europe, and invaded the Middle East.
00:27:21.000Hillary Clinton, who would have ever thought, once hated by conservatives, is now loved by her.
00:27:26.000Photos of her hang in most conservatives' houses.
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00:35:32.000Now ask yourself, who's the one with the most to gain?
00:35:35.000Around eleven motherfuckers couldn't stand his name.
00:35:37.000Hey, his waving flags like they lost their mind.
00:35:40.000Everybody got opinions, but don't know the time.
00:35:43.000Cause America's been took, it's plain to see.
00:35:45.000The oldest trick in the book is make your enemy a phony evil so the government can do its dirt.
00:35:50.000And take away your freedom, lock and load, beat and search.
00:35:53.000Ain't nothing changed, but more colored people locked in prison.
00:35:55.000These pigs still beat us, but it's Seems we forgetting, but I remember 4 September how these devils do it.
00:36:01.000F*** Giuliani, ask Diallo how he's doing.
00:36:03.000We in the streets, holler jail to the feet.
00:36:05.000Follow f*** waving flags, bring these dragons to their knees.
00:36:08.000Oil, blood, money make these killers ride cold.
00:36:11.000Suspicious suicide, people dying never told.
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00:36:19.000Bail witness to the sickness of these dictators.
00:36:22.000Hope you understand the time, brother, cause it's major.
00:36:25.000I hope you understand the time, brother, because it's major.
00:36:28.000Paris, it is a real honor after all these years marveling at your wonderful artistry to have you on the broadcast with us.
00:36:39.000And I don't think of any song out there that's three and a half minutes long that tells as much of the story Uh, as that particular song, but I love all of your music.
00:37:03.000Well, we're honored to have you, and just a little bit about yourself, a little bit about some of the music that you've come out with lately.
00:37:09.000We're going to play some of that coming up.
00:37:11.000Also, the website, the organization, you also put out other people's great music and other artists.
00:37:16.000Break that down for us, and then let's get into your political view of what's happening in the world today.
00:38:33.000Okay, the website is called GorillaFunk.com, and the company itself is called Gorilla Funk, and it was formed as a response to the self-imposed censorship that the entertainment industry had in place.
00:38:49.000They don't want a strong, hardcore political message, do they?
00:38:55.000They just want to show people with a bunch of bling acting silly.
00:40:15.000All of it comes from independent reading.
00:40:17.000You know, nothing that I learned in school.
00:40:19.000I graduated, like I said, from college in 1990 completely oblivious to what was really going on.
00:40:25.000I mean, you know, I had been prepared for a job to work for somebody else.
00:40:31.000I had no real conscious awareness, and it was only really as a result of hearing it in other people's music and having that be the catalyst to maybe want to learn more, you know?
00:40:44.000I come up in an era when I first started in hip-hop, there was much more diversity in the message.
00:40:51.000And honestly, negativity was an exception to the rule when I came out, and now it's exactly the opposite.
00:40:59.000And, you know, just after doing a lot of independent research and reading on my own, that was really it, you know.
00:41:06.000And then, of course, traveling around the world on these tours, seeing the impact that we have had on other societies.
00:41:13.000And seeing how other people live and what other people believe, you know, I honestly believe that a lot of ignorance can be erased by people just being exposed to more, by people going out, by people seeing and interacting with other people, you know.
00:41:26.000Here's your tax dollars at work, you know.
00:41:30.000And, you know, I can now completely subscribe to the notion that nothing significant happens on the world stage that isn't completely predetermined.
00:41:43.000You know, the concept of manufactured enemy creation is one, I mean, I know that you've echoed this sentiment too, is one that's tried and true at this point, and it's been proven to be successful over time.
00:41:55.000Well, Roosevelt said that nothing happened by accident.
00:42:38.000I always kind of got into the financial markets with this objective of kind of having this Robin Hood type of mentality.
00:42:45.000It enabled me to get low-income housing and stuff like that out here.
00:42:49.000I'm based in the Bay Area in California.
00:42:52.000So, you know, to a certain extent, I achieved my objectives, but I was getting ready to start trading.
00:42:58.000And, you know, on the West Coast, of course, it's much earlier for us when the financial markets open.
00:43:05.000So you wake up about five in the morning every day?
00:43:07.000Yeah, well even earlier than that sometimes because I have overseas distributors that I have to deal with.
00:43:12.000So if I have to talk to Japan or France or something, I'm up pretty much all the time.
00:43:20.000So I was getting ready to start trading, and that's how the planes hit.
00:43:26.000And, you know, I got the phone calls, and I was trying to reach people that I knew that actually worked, you know, at the broker that I used to be affiliated with and couldn't reach anybody and come to find out that they had moved to ING Barron.
00:43:58.000And then the second plane hit, and then all of a sudden the game changed.
00:44:02.000And it took me a minute to process it because I don't really, I'm not really a rush to judgment kind of guy.
00:44:07.000But, you know, knowing what I know of our treacherous history, it wasn't a stretch for me to be able to put that together.
00:44:15.000And then I began to see all the postings online and I began to, you know, digest the information that I learned about and Halliburton and Chaney's Ties, Ben Lydon and the Carlisle Group, and all of that, all of it just began to gel, you know, and it wasn't a secret anymore to me.
00:44:32.000By the way, speaking of things gelling, Willie Nelson just called, and I couldn't talk to him.
00:45:19.000Immigration scapegoating, racial intolerance, religious intolerance, you know, housing meltdown, recession, higher gas prices, greater reduction in funding for social programs.
00:45:33.000You know, and then you have these diversionary kind of arguments about, you know, abortion rights, gay marriage, stuff like that, which really does not affect most people.
00:45:44.000And again, not getting on either side of that, what you're saying is that it's a football issue.
00:45:55.000You know, but then you look at the war profiteering, and you look at, you know, imminent domain seizures, domestic spying, and all this, you know, all these things are in effect, and the effect of them have been ramped up as a result of post We're talking to Paris, more than 4 million records sold, and that's his label.
00:46:50.000We're under attack, and as much attack as I've been under, as much attack as I've seen White people being under, it's nothing, and I'm not saying this because you're black, it's what I talk about on the show, as you know, it's the truth.
00:47:00.000Black people are under the greatest attack of any group.
00:47:03.000They've had everything tested on them, like Tony Brown says first, and I understand what's done to, somebody else is going to end up happening to me at an instinctive level.
00:47:12.000I am outraged by what I've seen done to Black people, Africans, whatever you want to, you know, human beings, I mean, can you speak to being a black American, what it's like growing up in this system and your anger there?
00:47:26.000Well, I mean, you can see the statistics, it's pretty much self-explanatory at this point.
00:47:32.000I mean, we've only gone to war with a country, we've gone to war with countries of color pretty much non-stop since World War II.
00:47:45.000Yeah, except for the, with the exception probably of Kosovo.
00:47:47.000And, and you see every time there's violence visited on people, it's the country of color.
00:47:54.000You see it here, you see it domestically, you see with Katrina, you see it with, you know, economics and education.
00:48:00.000And, you know, I don't, there's a huge amount of blame that can be placed on society the way it currently exists and on policies and the way they affect people.
00:48:10.000But I'm also of the mind of kind of a self-healing within my own community and to make people realize that we really can't rely on anybody else.
00:48:19.000You know, you've got to step up to the plate and you've got to do it for yourself also.
00:48:22.000So, you know, it's a two-pronged approach as far as I'm concerned.
00:48:25.000Well, I agree with that, but when I read Margaret Sanger, the eugenicist, You know, saying we can't let the black weeds know that we want to exterminate them and how they went and hired black leaders to be their fronts.
00:48:38.000Again, they always take a disadvantaged community and test on them.
00:49:07.000I mean, every major political candidate, except for Ron Paul, and they're twisting and demonizing and spinning him.
00:49:15.000Every major political candidate, except for maybe Dennis Kucinich, and he's dropped out on the Democratic side, and they totally ignored him.
00:49:22.000That's how they control us, is they control the leaders.
00:49:24.000So here we are, with basically an oligarchy type of a situation.
00:49:30.000You know, just Bushes and Clintons since, what, 88?
00:50:27.000I want to come back and talk more about your label, more about your political awakening, and your ideas of getting real leaders to the fore and getting individuals to be individual leaders in their areas.
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00:54:32.000Times in history when more happens in a month than happens in 10 years.
00:54:36.000And Paris, I mean, I've got to give credit where credit is due.
00:54:40.000You came out with, what would you do, 2001, 2002, I forget the date, and it was so hardcore, really before any other artist in any genre had the nerve to come out and do it.
00:54:52.000I mean, did you have to take a deep breath before you did that?
00:54:54.000Or, I get the idea, you're the type of guy that once you made the decision, you weren't even worried about it.
00:54:59.000Yeah, the decision was pretty much made and stuck with.
00:55:03.000I mean, I got a lot of heat behind that song, and I got a lot even more heat with the album cover, which is an airliner heading for the White House.
00:55:10.000And there was a lot of backlash at retail, and I ended up having to get distribution for Gorilla Funk from overseas and make all these products available as imports here.
00:55:22.000And then, of course, once we started posting a profit and people started taking a listen, then here comes Universal and here comes EMI, which has always been the case.
00:55:31.000Sounds like people really only stand by their convictions.
00:55:34.000Again, I've been fired off radio stations.
00:55:52.000I mean, I can go make records for you know, serapy pop records or something, if that's the case.
00:55:58.000I mean, I have a passion about this, and I have information that I enjoy sharing with people, and I know that there are a lot of people who are receptive to what's being said.
00:56:24.000And you basically just said the same thing, that, hey, this is who I am.
00:56:28.000There's not even a discussion of this.
00:56:31.000What kills me the most is, and I know this has probably happened to you, is people say that you're capitalizing off of people's misery by doing what you do.
00:56:41.000And really we're commentating on what's happening and there are no bigger beneficiaries of misery than the government.
00:57:14.000I tell you, Parris, again, I really do feel, and I'm showing you personally, that we're kindred spirits.
00:57:19.000Yeah, I mean, you know, and the funny thing is I'm pretty left-leaning, you know, but I can find common ground with just about anybody as long as logic is employed, you know, and it just seems like that's something that I don't encounter that much.
00:57:34.000I think people are so emotional and so reactionary nowadays that they can't, you know, we live in an era where People believe what they want to believe.
00:57:42.000You know, the truth can be as plain as the nose on your face.
00:57:45.000Even on TV, you know, in those rare moments where TV is actually truthful.
00:57:50.000And they still gravitate toward what they want to believe.
00:57:52.000Now, that's another key point that you just raised.
00:57:55.000And that is that people, especially these yuppies, they think they can choose what the reality is and that that makes it that way.
00:59:05.000They're trying to get attention so that people will listen to them.
00:59:09.000It's our way of trying to get some media attention because they are ignoring us, they're ignoring the anti-war movement, they're ignoring the anti-government movement.
00:59:21.000We love our country, but we cannot trust our government anymore.
00:59:25.000Our government is totally out of control.
00:59:36.000Do you believe the people that live in your hometown?
00:59:39.000Or do you believe these mad dog killers in Washington D.C.?
00:59:43.000Are we setting up a situation where young people who are just starting to come of age are going to have no choice but to either join the military where there seems to be a lot of money or to go to jail where there seems to be a lot of money?
01:00:08.000The fact is that right now, even as we are talking, people are being murdered by UN imperialism throughout the Middle East and throughout the world.
01:00:17.000Our sons and our daughters are out there being used as cannon fodder.
01:00:22.000It's an outrage, and we should stand up and seize the hour and fight back.
01:00:27.000If there is going to be any peace on earth, it is going to come as a consequence of our people uniting to defeat U.S. imperialism one and for all.
01:00:40.000Easily I approach, the mic will phone.
01:02:12.000And tell us, Paris, because we're about to go to break, come back with a long segment, final segment with you, and I want to have you back again, if you'll grace us, with some of the new CDs, some of the MP3s that are out.
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01:06:59.000The Alex Jones Show We're talking to Parris.
01:07:52.000Is it because the internet and alternative distribution systems like the ones you've created that have been so successful, now forcing the big universals to cave in to alternative information?
01:08:02.000Because now my videos are in Blockbuster and Hollywood Video, nothing compared to what you're doing, but I've even seen my stuff break through now, and I've talked to some of the big corporate guys, and they're all, yeah, we know it's true, we know the New World Order's running everything, yeah, yeah, we're trying to sneak your stuff in.
01:08:17.000So, it seems like that the facade is starting to collapse.
01:08:24.000But I think that, you know, just from a financial standpoint, I think they're really attracted to business models that make sense right now.
01:08:32.000So if you have an operation with really low overhead and you can sell a lot of volume and you can deliver fairly consistently, I think that that's something that they're attracted to.
01:08:40.000I mean, the antiquated business model of having a record label or a film company with 200 to 300 employees, like a lot of these current subsidiaries have, I mean, we're seeing that.
01:09:38.000Well, you know, the military-industrial complex and the prison-industrial complex, I mean, they're working in tandem.
01:09:44.000You're absolutely right about people waking up and becoming more aware, and that is directly attributable to counter-establishment, popular media, like what we create, and to the Internet.
01:09:57.000I mean, the Internet really is a great equalizer of information.
01:10:00.000You can find out pretty much whatever you want to know about anything on the Internet.
01:10:42.000AWOL is another song off of Sonic G.I.
01:10:45.000which is my last record, which is a first person narrative of a high school student who encounters military recruiting on campus and all of the lies that they tell him and everything that he goes through and he ends up going for it.
01:15:45.000Well, those are all amazing songs, and even better ones, I think, on some of the other albums are all just excellent.
01:15:51.000We've got a few minutes left, Parris, and again, I want to invite you back up any time again, GorillaFunk.com.
01:15:58.000In the last few minutes we've got, you've got the floor.
01:16:00.000Any other key points or things you want to express to the audience, all the fans and supporters you've got out there?
01:16:06.000Well, that's one thing that I wanted to acknowledge, is the supporters.
01:16:10.000I never say fans, but I definitely appreciate the support.
01:16:14.000You know, encourage people to support counter-establishment media and to support independent media and independent art, like what Alex is doing, like, you know, like what you're doing and like what I'm doing.
01:16:27.000And I want to say thanks to all the many people that are on MySpace.
01:16:31.000You know, MySpace has been a huge thing for me as well as GorillaFunk.com and to Jonathan Black for hosting this interview and, you know, to you and Trey and Aaron and everything.
01:16:50.000Going back years, they knew 9-11 was an inside job.
01:16:52.000They knew that we were going into tyranny, but they were scared to speak out like you did.
01:16:56.000How many people do you talk to, I mean, who are well-known, that know the truth, but are scared to go public?
01:17:03.000You know what it is, especially in hip-hop, man, it seems like nobody knows anything.
01:17:07.000I don't encourage anybody to speak out on things that they don't know.
01:17:11.000You know, it's like, you know, you even look worse when you have an opinion and you're not knowledgeable.
01:17:17.000So I encourage everybody to do more independent reading, more independent research, you know, to become more exposed and to travel if you can, if you're of means to be able to travel and go places and experience things that other people are going through.
01:17:29.000You'll have a much clearer idea of what's going on in the world and how our situation in America adversely affects everybody else.
01:17:57.000And, you know, it's like people seem to be alerted to reading now.
01:18:01.000And when people go to school, a lot of times if they just go by the book and And don't explore things on their own, and they'll only be equipped to work for somebody else.
01:18:11.000And you know, and there's no incentive for anybody to see you become knowledgeable.
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01:27:19.000Alright, we're scheduled to have the Ron Paul 2008 campaign, uh, head of the campaign, Kent Snyder, popping in, and I got a bunch of other news, and we're gonna have, uh, Mr. Grudy, Paul Grudy, he was the head of the Funeral Home, and they, uh, basically ordered him to stage the fingerprints of Lee Harvey Oswald onto the supposed shooter gun, the Mandela Kick Carcano, back in 1963.
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01:32:27.000We got Paul Gritty, the funeral director, who was ordered by the government to put Lee Harvey Oswald's prints on the Madden-Clerk Arcana rifle.
01:32:52.000And we are joined by Kent Schneider of the RonPaul2008.com campaign to give us an overview of where we're going and what's happening coming up in the Super Tuesday.
01:33:01.000Mr. Schneider, thanks for spending time with us.
01:33:07.000What is most important to impart to the listeners right now, sir?
01:33:10.000Well, you mentioned Super Tuesday, and that's really the showdown of Super Tuesday.
01:33:14.000I know the Super Bowl is on Sunday, but the real important game is on the following Tuesday, and we'd certainly encourage people today and all through the weekend to sign up for Precinct Cleaners, get their friends to get out and vote, and there's, what, 20-22 states, so the big showdown is on Tuesday to donate if you can.
01:33:34.000So we can get more television and radio out there, but a whole year's worth of effort is really coming down to Tuesday, and here's our opportunity to take a stand.
01:33:46.000Now, I know you guys want to look forward instead of backwards, and I want to do that today and talk about your strategy, because the listeners obviously want to know, Mr. Schneider.
01:33:55.000But going back, I mean, New Hampshire, now Bev Harris, who helped produce the HBO documentary, she says there is clear fraud and, quote, criminal operation dealing with a recount.
01:34:05.000You guys did say that there were serious problems in Louisiana, where it looked like you won first place, they're saying second.
01:34:12.000Then in Nevada, Ron Paul got second, but Fox and others didn't even show his face and said McCain got it.
01:34:18.000I mean, what the Ron Paul supporters I know are wanting, they're now getting, with the campaign saying they're upset about this.
01:34:25.000But, of course, we have to look forward, but I think we look forward to more of this.
01:34:29.000I mean, what's your statement on all this chicanery?
01:34:32.000Well, we have, we reserved our right, as far as Louisiana, reserved our right to file a lawsuit down there.
01:34:39.000We're actually going to be making a decision about that in the next day or two.
01:34:43.000You know, Dr. Paul did have a statement in terms of New Hampshire.
01:34:46.000I mean, there's no doubt that elections, there's problems in terms of what degree, of course, you'd have to go through each individual situation.
01:34:54.000As far as the media bias, you know, you and I have talked about this before, and of course that was never more evident.
01:35:00.000In the latest debate, the CNN broadcast at the Reagan Library in terms of the time that Dr. Paul got and even Huckabee got, or didn't get is probably a better way of putting it, but there's no doubt that the establishment is pulling out the stops to make sure that the Ron Paul campaign and all the people who support him are silenced or ignored or aware of that.
01:35:20.000You know, unfortunately for us, we have a campaign to run.
01:35:24.000And it's very difficult when you get into this legal mud, as I call it, of various jurisdictions around the country.
01:35:31.000It's very, very difficult for us to run a full-fledged campaign at the same time.
01:35:38.000I totally understand, and I think the listeners do, because you spend all your money, all your time, all your energy fighting those instead of looking forward and dealing with the next battle to come.
01:35:54.000But I want listeners and Ron Paul supporters to take heart, which they are.
01:35:58.000Because this massive blackout we're seeing and this attempt, I wouldn't even call it bias.
01:36:02.000I mean, when they give him a third the time the other candidates get, less than a third, the questions, when they...
01:36:10.000It's like having a horse race that's ten laps, and you give the other guy six laps, you know, head start, or in an Indy 500, Ron's got to wait two hours after the race starts to even be able to get his car out there, and that shows the establishment is scared, but the good news is alternative media has gotten the word out that he got second place in two major states.
01:36:34.000Thankfully for shows like yours and of course the internet and all the websites and the blogs and all the email traffic, people around the country, in fact different parts of the world, they keep the truth going.
01:36:46.000Dr. Paul has said many, many times that it wasn't for the internet and the so-called alternative radio.
01:36:51.000Talk shows, broadcasts, as well as via the internet, this whole effort wouldn't be what it is today.
01:36:56.000So that's a big thank you to all those people.
01:36:59.000Well, now is the time to redouble and retriple our efforts, regardless of what happens in this election.
01:37:04.000As the Congressman has said, we're educating people who would have ever thought we'd see MSNBC talking about the private criminal Federal Reserve and how there's a need for investigations.
01:37:13.000Who would have ever thought we'd see Ron Paul on Jay Leno twice?
01:37:15.000Who would have ever thought that Liberty's message, I see Ron Paul sticker signs, phone calls, it's just the buzz is everywhere that's clearly they're cheating.
01:37:23.000I mean there's no doubt on its face I know that's happening.
01:37:55.000Make a donation so we can keep the ads going.
01:37:58.000But the third thing is, and this is overlooked time and time again, is people should, you know, invite, encourage, urge, push, whatever words you want, five, ten people of friends and family to do the same thing.
01:38:12.000I mean, let's say we have a million people out there actively doing, you know, becoming a pre-seq leader and we've got people donating money.
01:38:19.000If every one of those people would just get three people just to do the very same thing that they did, Match their donation, if it's $20 or $25 or $100, whatever it is, and then do some canvassing in their neighborhood, become a precinct leader, this whole campaign would dramatically change for the better overnight.
01:38:36.000And so it's just doing the fundamental things, doing them well, spreading the word, asking people to help.
01:38:54.000And obviously, we can't even start talking about third party runs until we see what happens in Super Tuesday and after that.
01:39:02.000But now, in some of the debates and some of the interviews, he said, well, I never really thought about it, but now there's such interest.
01:39:09.000He said things similar to that, you know, that well now, you know, maybe, but right now, you know, I'm running as a Republican.
01:39:14.000I'm not trying to put words in his mouth.
01:39:16.000I don't have the exact quotes there, but you've heard him, Ken Schneider, head of the campaign.
01:39:21.000I don't want to put the cart before the horse here, but as a way to buoy people to let them know so they don't get crestfallen, we need to have the maximum effort now.
01:39:28.000We need to have a maximum effort in donations on the street, and disagree if you disagree.
01:39:34.000We need to have the maximum money given, maximum phone calls to talk shows, maximum canvassing, people going to the site, signing up to be precinct leaders now, in a week they can do so much.
01:39:47.000I mean, obviously, he's starting to hint.
01:39:50.000There's so much momentum, so much money can be raised, and if... I mean, right now, Bloomberg sees how weak the two parties are.
01:39:58.000So if they shut Ron Paul out, cheat him out, I mean, you look at the numbers, he's popular with independents, he's popular with Democrats, Republicans.
01:40:05.000I've done a poll that shows, with Zogby, it was a fair poll.
01:40:08.000We even published the actual questions, which they never do.
01:40:11.000Ron Paul would win in a three-party race if he could get on the ballot everywhere, And even if he didn't win, he would be in those national debates to continue to expose the fact that both parties are pro-war and pro-New World Order.
01:40:28.000Well, Dr. Paul has said many times, as you know, that this is not the end, it's the beginning.
01:40:34.000And he's also said none of us can really predict the future.
01:40:37.000And when you consider those two statements that he's made consistently from the start of this campaign a year ago, you know, I do believe that Dr. Paul and you and millions of other people around the United States, that this really is the beginning.
01:40:58.000But the good news is, and this is where people should take satisfaction, they should take heart, and they should take this as a source of encouragement, that this is the beginning, it's not the end.
01:41:08.000Exactly what form it goes past Super Tuesday, or past the convention, or past the election, no one really knows.
01:41:14.000But the exciting part for Dr. Paul, and I've heard him say this publicly as well as privately, and for people who've been in the freedom movement for a long time, This is the beginning.
01:41:27.000So I just encourage people, especially that are new to the Freedom Movement, new to the campaign, if you really consider it, the glass is half full, it's not half empty.
01:41:39.000And whatever happens, that to me is the exciting part, because I don't know exactly what form it's going to take.
01:41:53.000I mean, if you go back six months ago, they were still cheating him on time, but he was getting a little more coverage because they thought he was an anomaly they could minimize.
01:42:01.000That's when we saw the hit pieces get launched.
01:42:04.000I mean, they are desperate right now, and that shows how viable Ron Paul is.
01:42:11.000One thing is, so many new people have come to the political process who were turned off by it, or people who were turned off who'd been involved earlier, and they're expecting, you know, this is all going to be a bed of roses.
01:42:23.000Oh yeah, that's a good point, and I'm glad you reminded people of that, because things didn't get bad overnight, and it's going to take a long-term effort to correct them.
01:42:35.000We know that, a lot of people know that, but people who are fairly new to the political process and who are frustrated with how things are, you know, six months is no time at all.
01:42:44.000I mean, I understand their frustration, but, you know, people like Dr. Paul and yourself who've been involved in this for many, many years, you know, we just need to keep going and people need to understand who are fairly new to this freedom movement that there's a lot more that we need to do.
01:42:58.000But, like you said, a lot has been accomplished this last year, and for us, That really is the exciting part for us to keep going even harder and faster for the next 5, 10, 20, 30 years.
01:43:27.000As Ron Paul says, he will not be our leader.
01:43:29.000He is trying to be a focal point for turning the people's power and liberty in the free market loose.
01:43:35.000Again listeners, and most people understand this, but some still don't.
01:43:38.000This is so exciting what's happening and we've got to stay fully 110% in the game right now through Super Tuesday through the next couple primary days and then don't worry you're going to see what you mean hint hint we can't give the enemy too much ammo right now you're going to see something big happen Let's talk about, hypothetically, a three-way run.
01:44:01.000The problem is Bloomberg's going to come in now, knowing both parties are weak.
01:44:05.000I see that as hurting Dr. Paul, but still, he'll be one of the strongest candidates in that fight.
01:44:14.000Well, yeah, I mean, I think you're right.
01:44:17.000Bloomberg is really the wild card, and he's the wild card because he has so much money, and he's publicly said, at least in the reports I read, that he would spend a half a billion or even a billion dollars to run.
01:44:29.000And, of course, that is an ungodly amount of money for someone to run for president.
01:44:34.000I also understand he's been doing quite a bit of polling and has been for the last several months to determine whether or not his campaign would be viable.
01:44:42.000But I do think the other wild card is that the political taste and mood of the country, I think, is something that is really hard to gauge.
01:44:54.000I think my personal guess is that for us, the public by and large, they're not satisfied with Obama or Clinton or McCain or Romney.
01:45:04.000That's why they're kind of looking towards Bloomberg.
01:45:06.000But for us and our movement, I think the time is ripe.
01:46:26.000So if we get the message out, if he can get on the ballot as a third party candidate, if that happens to happen, he is absolutely The candidate.
01:46:48.000I mean, Dr. Paul, as you know, and your listeners, I'm sure, know that Dr. Paul has been making these statements for the last 30 years.
01:46:54.000He's been making these predictions time and time again.
01:46:57.000He's found to be correct in all of those, especially the predictions in terms of what's happening.
01:47:02.000And as everyone knows who's followed Dr. Paul et al., they realize that he has such a consistent record, a long-time, long-term record in terms of what he's talked about, his votes, his legislation.
01:47:15.000So when people look to Dr. Paul for the first time, I'm struck time and time again, they usually You know, he has a record that's so consistent, that's long and consistent, that it gives me a feeling of trust in terms of who this person is.
01:47:31.000And that's something that you just don't do overnight.
01:47:34.000So fortunately for him and for the campaign and the supporters, we're now able to showcase that trust and that people are finding that, especially in today's climate, they're finding that very attractive.
01:47:47.000We've only got about a minute and a half left with you, Ken Schneider.
01:47:52.000Hypothetically, when a congressman is picking up delegates every time they have a primary, and the other candidates are dropping out so he's getting more and more attention even though they try to freeze him out, how many delegates do you think you need to get to stay in the Republican process, and when might we see, and again this is all hypothetical, the announcement for third party?
01:48:15.000Well, as far as the delegates, I mean, that really is a function of how Romney and McCain go.
01:48:20.000I mean, if Romney and McCain come down with 45% of the delegates into the convention in September in St.
01:48:27.000Paul, and then Dr. Paul has 10% of the delegates, that would be certainly enough for Dr. Paul to have, if you will, a bargaining chip, a very big one.
01:48:38.000So it's really going to come down to how Romney and McCain So you think a brokered convention is in the cards?
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01:54:13.000$2,300 gold because of the fact that the inflation hasn't been adjusted yet on the gold prices.
01:54:19.000They're saying that gold has been a poor hedge against inflation due to the fact that the central banks have been manipulating it for so long, and now it's breaking loose, and that's exactly what got... You know, the reason why I picked up the Wall Street Journal is because I wanted to see that GATA ad.
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01:54:44.000I need some Prozac after reading that full Wall Street Journal newspaper.
01:54:49.000all the woes going on, the lending institutions that are going bankrupt, the subprime loan stuff, you know, affecting not only our nation, now bleeding into the Japanese markets.
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01:55:18.000I think it's just ironic and somewhat comical to see those guys finally turning around and going, you know, we really do have problems.
01:56:47.000I mean, right now the Wall Street Journal is calling for $1,000 gold here, and now before things correct and adjust for inflation, $2,300 an ounce for gold.
01:56:59.000I mean, that's the Wall Street Journal and that's coming from the Give them the number on those offers.
01:57:56.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:58:01.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:58:07.000Coming up in the next segment, we're going to have Paul Grudy on.
01:58:13.000He was the head of the funeral home that took in the body of who they claim was Lee Harvey Oswald.
01:58:19.000They then, uh, government came in and made him put his handprints, fingerprints, on the Magna Carta Cano rifle that they claim shot, uh, Kennedy, uh, in three shots in six seconds.
01:58:30.000So we're going to have Mr. Grudy in studio coming up in about six minutes.
01:58:35.000After this quick break, we're going to talk to Mr. Groody on air about 30 minutes of the last 15-20 minutes.
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02:06:03.000After high school and college, Paul graduated from the Williams Institute of Mortuary Science.
02:06:08.000He enlisted in the United States Army and became a chaplain's assistant and a surgical technician.
02:06:12.000After being honorably discharged, he returned to civilian life to build cemeteries, homes, and mortuaries.
02:06:18.000Paul was the licensed undertaker and funeral director in charge of the burial, subsequent exhumation, exhuming, and reburial of Lee Harvey Oswald.
02:06:27.000And he retired at 85 years of age, and he is as sharp as a tack, and we are honored to have him here in studio with us.
02:06:42.000We appreciate the fact that after all these years, we can still talk about it and enjoy the fact that it is something that the public is still interested in.
02:06:57.000Tell us about growing up, World War II, a little bit about yourself and how you got into the mortuary business leading up to the tragic assassination in 1963.
02:07:09.000happened to be a part of the family that had a mortuary in Ohio.
02:07:16.000And because of that background, I was inclined, and my brother was also inclined, to become a mortician.
02:07:23.000Being around the business, we might say, for 75 years, that's a long time to be in anything.
02:07:33.000And it's only those who are honestly dedicated that can be in this business because we're at a service all the time.
02:07:42.000We are the ones that had to do what most folks didn't really ever want to do, and that was to go to a home or to go where somebody had died or been killed.
02:07:56.000We're the ones that had to clean up that sort of mess that always exists around that kind of death.
02:08:06.000Continuing from there, so you were trained as a mortician before you went to World War II?
02:08:21.000Matter of fact, in the Williams Institute of Mortuary Sciences, it was required that we deal with at least eight I happen to be so easily accessible and so interested in it, I had 88 instead of just 8.
02:08:40.000Because of my background there, I ended up in the medical field with the Army, and because of that, every pathologist that ever came around and was in a base hospital, wherever we were stationed in the States or overseas, They would hunt me up because I could assist that pathologist with an autopsy, whereas to find somebody who had that kind of background, it was a little unusual.
02:09:08.000And then you got even more training in World War II.
02:09:24.000We ended up going into Le Havre, going through France and up into Germany, fought the Germans, and at that time we knew it was winding down because the Germans were running out of food and out of ammunition, and my jeep would go to get supplies, and they would come back, and there'd be a dozen Germans hanging on his jeep, because they knew it was over.
02:09:49.000But one interesting little story I think is quite important.
02:09:54.000Because of the fact that they were winding down, it didn't make a lot of difference, but a German Red Cross agent, one who was an honest-to-goodness medic, like I was, came across the line and said, Sergeant, can I end up working with you guys, because we know can I end up working with you guys, because we know we're ending the He was using perfect English, and I said, how come you can talk so good?
02:11:01.000He went across the line, went over to the motor pool on the German side and came driving back in a great big German Mercedes command car and said, here, you can have this now.
02:11:18.000And we wish we had that old car today because that would have been a classic out there.
02:11:23.000I mean, so this gave you even more training in death, in firearms, in what the ballistics of a bullet going through flesh looked like.
02:11:33.000I mean, I don't want to make you tell any war stories, but what was some of the most amazing or harrowing things that you saw while you were in Europe?
02:11:39.000Well, of course, they were bringing me not only the Americans who had been injured and hit by...
02:11:49.000They were bringing that through my aid station, and we would take care of the vestibule.
02:11:54.000Then we'd send them back to the base where they needed to go to get further help.
02:12:00.000It was a matter of most fantastic that these boys were treated on the scene by my guys, who were my medics out in the field, and it was remarkable that they did save their lives.
02:12:15.000Of course, we were taking care of the Germans as much as we were the Americans, because after all, and those German boys all said the same thing, said, we're sure glad you came along because you're going to get rid of Hitler.
02:12:28.000They didn't like it either that they had this battle to fight.
02:12:31.000But if they spoke out against Hitler, they got executed.
02:12:35.000Of course, we didn't know what happened to them after we sent them back, but they were taken care of, that's for sure.
02:12:43.000And after all these years, I found out that a lot of us at that time were never treated for the fact that the bombs going off and the ammunition that was used and the type of death that we saw and the
02:13:02.000Bad stuff stuck in our minds and they didn't recognize this, only now they do for the boys that are over in Iraq, that they really realize that they're committing suicide and they are not being, they had a problem, but we, back in those days, had no help whatsoever.
02:13:23.000They didn't know that we were affected by the bombs and by the death that was around us.
02:14:32.000Now, when we're going to break, I want to come back and get directly into the JFK assassination and the part you play in that whole saga and story that is now coming to a head, finally, in closure today.
02:14:45.000Paul Gritty, what were you doing on that horrible day in 1963 when the President was killed?
02:14:53.000We were at the funeral home in Fort Worth.
02:15:00.000Secret Service called me and said, you are Paul Grudy.
02:15:04.000We have checked into the records and found that you are a licensed mortician, that you did fight in the bones since you fought in the war.
02:15:13.000Secret Service said, you come to Dallas and get the body of this man because we want your kind of guy to help us get the job done of knowing that this man was embalmed.
02:15:25.000And buried properly, and that's how we did it.
02:15:32.000I did go to Dallas and pick up his body, brought him back to funeral home in Fort Worth, embalmed that body, made arrangements and buried him.
02:15:42.000But a part of that that I think is so important, do you know the general public talks about Lee Harvey Oswald doing this?
02:15:52.000I know his mother or knew his mother because she's gone.
02:15:56.000She never was convinced that it was really Lee Harvey.
02:16:01.000His brother, his wife, the two babies, and of course one thing about it, to think that this guy was pegged as the one who really did it, and it was proved that he did it.
02:16:13.000And Mama never could quite believe that that was her son to do a thing like that.
02:16:23.000His brother is a nice guy, always had good work.
02:16:27.000He's the one that paid the bill to bury his brother.
02:16:30.000His wife took these two kids that they had and raised them, and they both graduated from the university, I understand, and they are such nice, wonderful girls and have their own families now, and it shows that this guy, I always said, you and it shows that this guy, I always said, you know, one nut showed up and shot the president, and the second nut showed up and shot him, and that was Ruby, Jack Ruby.
02:17:00.000And now, I didn't know, but maybe there was a third nut out there was going to come and shoot the undertaker, huh?
02:17:06.000Well, when we get back, I want to break down, I mean, as slowly as possible, as detailed as possible, Mr. Grudy.
02:17:15.000I want to walk through what happened that day, then when Oswald got killed, how the Secret Service had you come get his body, how they had you put the fingerprints on it, and the rest of it, okay?
02:17:26.000Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be right back after this quick break with Paul Grudy.
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02:21:56.000They had to come out and pick up the body of Lee Harvey Oswald.
02:22:01.000He wanted to prove that it indeed was Oswald later because there have been debates about three guys with the same name, different people running around, but the big issue here is the Secret Service came and had him put his palm print of the dead body of Lee Harvey Oswald on the Malinker Carcano rifle.
02:22:18.000So if you can, Mr. Groody, walk us through when you went and picked up his body and then later when they came back and had you put the palm print on there in as much detail as you can.
02:22:30.000Just the fact that we knew good and well if they put a palm print on his hand that they would put the black Uh... ink all over his hand and I was concerned the fact that when they did that I had to clean it up again because I was the one going to have to bury this guy and I didn't want that black all over everything.
02:22:52.000So it was a matter of asking them to be careful when they did this.
02:22:57.000But they came to my preparation room as we call it and did actually apply his hand onto that rifle to prove that that rifle had the the handprint on it that was really Oswald's handprint and not somebody else.
02:23:16.000Now, my end of things was, my job was to bury this man and his mother said, "Yes, this is Lee Harvey Oswald." His brother said, "This is Lee Harvey." His wife said it was him.
02:23:32.000Now, because of that, I had to type up a death certificate and file it, because that is my job.
02:23:39.000And I had to prove that it was really Lee Harvey Oswald, and that's why I was convinced it was Lee Harvey.
02:23:57.000You know, go back in memory, Mr. Grudy.
02:23:59.000You know, they come in, they take his hand, they put it where on the Mannlicher Carcano rifle, and B, was this the rifle, did they tell you this was the rifle that Oswald had supposedly had?
02:24:12.000This is what they told me, that they wanted to do that because this was the rifle that they got from the school book depository, and that was the one that Oswald was supposed to have used.
02:25:10.000Now, to know that Ruby did the shooting, and I was on the inside of that body, and I saw where the hole had been, where the bullet had gone in.
02:25:20.000Now, the autopsy pathologist had saved that little hunk of skin where the bullet went in.
02:25:28.000Now, Ruby did that, and it was so quick, there was an officer absolutely handcuffed to Oswald at the time.
02:25:38.000Yeah, and therefore, him walking up and shooting like he did, remarkable that it missed the rib.
02:25:46.000It would have ricocheted and changed direction and all of that, but I saw where it went through the rib between the ribs and lodged over on the other side of his body.
02:25:56.000I saw all that so I know that that's where Ruby had hit him.
02:26:31.000And to know that my experience overseas and with the bodies and people I was around and with all the army camps where people had been accidentally killed and whatnot and all the autopsies, I've been around thousands of them.
02:26:45.000I saw what I saw, and I know that this guy was killed by Ruby.
02:27:16.000We're going to come back with Paul Grudy on the other side.
02:27:19.000I want to go back again and have you go back to memory exactly what the Secret Service said, what they had to do with the hand, then the former head of British Intelligence calling you, the exhuming of the body.
02:27:29.000We're going to talk about it all with Paul Grudy on the other side.
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02:31:08.000Paul Grudy was born in Washington, Kansas, February 22, 1919.
02:31:15.000After high school and college, Paul graduated from Williams Institute of Mortuary Science.
02:31:19.000He enlisted in the United States Army and became a chaplain's assistant, was in the Battle of the Bulge, and then a surgical technician.
02:31:24.000After being honorably discharged, he returned to civilian life.
02:31:27.000To build cemeteries, homes, and mortuaries, Paul was the licensed undertaker at the funeral director in charge of the burial, subsequent exhumation, and reburial of Lee Harvey Oswald.
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02:31:53.000Okay, Paul, this is such a big deal, I want to walk through this slower.
02:31:57.000Describe that day, what you've been doing, if you remember, when the Secret Service came in, what they said to you, where the body was, what they had the rifle in, what they said the rifle was, in detail, as much detail as you can give us, walk through it slowly.
02:32:13.000Alex, I knew that we were probably going to be harassed when I would walk out back of the funeral home.
02:32:24.000We counted 1,300 cameras back there behind us in our parking lot.
02:32:33.000When the Secret Service said, we're coming and we're going to want to make a print off of the hand of the man that you have, and we're going to blacken his hand and all, and I said, well you guys be careful back there because I'm going to bury him and I don't want that black all over all his clothes and everything.
02:32:53.000Now, they took a handprint And took his hand and put it against the butt of the rifle that was supposed to be the rifle that this man used.
02:33:05.000I don't know if it was the real one or what it was.
02:33:15.000Took it out and blackened his hand and pressed his hand on the butt of that gun exactly as a man would hold it.
02:33:25.000Now, a dead human remains that had been embalmed, which I did, and did a A little more than normal, as far as embalming was concerned, because I knew they might want to look at him again in the future, because of that.
02:33:41.000It would be hard to really get a good print, so we don't know how good a print it is.
02:33:50.000Well, rigor will set in shortly after death.
02:33:54.000When it does, everything has become rigid and firm.
02:33:58.000You can tell how long a body has been gone, the life is out of a body because if rigor had not been set in, it doesn't take long for it to finally begin to set in and then to move arms and legs and the body.
02:34:38.000But we definitely knew that they were going to do this and I was careful To make sure that they would do it in a manner that would be proper and they did.
02:34:52.000Well, we have, and I think this is an interesting tale.
02:34:58.000Alex, there was a man that passed away in a rest home by the name of Bobo.
02:35:04.000Mr. Bobo and the lady who was in charge of the rest home said, Mr. Bobo died and Paul would you come and get his body and then bomb him and bury him.
02:35:32.000He had four $100 bills and that was to bury him with.
02:35:36.000Those are the bills I used to bury that old man.
02:35:39.000Now, knowing good and well that I had Bobo on table one, I moved Bobo to table two and put Oswald on table one.
02:35:50.000Everybody that looked and they would say, "Is that Oswald?" I would say, because I'd open the door to go in there, and they'd say, is that Oswald?
02:35:59.000And all this time, I used Bobo to hide the fact that I had Oswald, because we didn't know what was going to happen to us.
02:36:08.000We knew good and well that if Secret Service came, they would come, and they went to Table 1, where Oswald was, put that hand mark on him, We don't know how it turned out.
02:36:19.000We don't know what happened to the gun.
02:36:41.000Well, if they found that, that's what they were doing.
02:36:44.000They were making sure that his fingerprints were on the gun to prove that he was the one that actually used the gun to definitely make him to be the one who did the killing of President Kennedy.
02:37:07.000His mother always said, I don't believe that was my son that did the shooting.
02:37:11.000That it could have been somebody else.
02:37:14.000Now, they had claimed they were coming to get his fingerprints, but then they were trying to put the rigor mortis hand with the ink on the gun.
02:37:21.000Did you say, hey, why are you doing that?
02:37:54.000Ambulance business was a part of our business, too.
02:37:57.000And being around that all the time, we were requested No question about it.
02:38:02.000We had to check and make sure we were talking to a real policeman or whatever it might be.
02:38:07.000How long did it take you to get the ink off his hand?
02:38:09.000Well, I don't remember now, but of course we have cosmetics and I felt as though the cosmetics would probably cover it up and it did pretty well cover everything up.
02:38:18.000We didn't have any real problem with it because his hand is down and covered up with his way to keep a hand.
02:38:25.000Did they have an open casket at this funeral?
02:38:28.000Actually, the parents and the brother, the mother and the brother and the wife, they got to see him, but the rest of the public did not.
02:39:01.000Michael Eddowes is an English author that wrote a book about it and because of that they wanted to know if I could disinter his remains so they could look at him again.
02:39:12.000So this is what the process was and Mr. Bobo I mean, Mr. Eddowes, Michael Eddowes, said that he was going to come over and that he'd pay the bill if they'd dig him up.
02:39:22.000And I said, well, if you're going to pay the bill, I'll get a permit.
02:40:55.000And because of the fact that... What did the break look like?
02:40:58.000Well, it was a typical dead human remains, I'll guarantee you.
02:41:02.000It had been recently... I mean, it had originally been broken.
02:41:08.000It seemed like shortly after I buried him.
02:41:10.000Now, one tale that goes with this that I think is interesting, if nothing else, the man who ran the cemetery, he committed suicide some years later.
02:41:25.000I can't believe that he would commit suicide.
02:41:28.000doctor was in charge the pathologist that had done the autopsy on that guy I said how did he die he said he committed suicide and he I said what did he use he said he used a knife I said a knife to commit suicide yes 17 stab wounds to Have you ever experienced that?
02:44:20.000When we Dougie Bump, that lid had been broken, the vault itself had been broken, showing that somebody had done something, and we have no knowledge who it was.
02:45:08.000And do you know who takes care of all of that?
02:45:09.000to certify that people shoot themselves twice the back of the head and cut their arms and legs and head off some Clinton people had that happen to them is that the thing you find me with all the cut in 50 pieces and they'd say I did it and do you know who takes care of all of that the poor undertaker I have been there hundreds and hundreds of times because we are the ones that have to go clean up the mess with a suicide or with a murder and all of that So you have to respect the old guy who's been at it.
02:46:19.000You speak to that probably being the end.
02:46:21.000Well, just the fact that if I go out into the woods and get a body that's been out in the woods a long time, you know it's going to end up to be nothing but a skeleton, because that's all that is left.
02:46:32.000And it's nearly always disturbed and distributed around in the area.
02:46:37.000But if they've left intact, their jaw is down on their chest, typical.
02:47:06.000But if they didn't want somebody to be able to exhume it and do another autopsy to really find out identity or something, they'd want it to ride.
02:47:54.000I put the cap back on and sealed up his head again.
02:48:01.000Now, that head looked like it had never been autopsied, because when I seal him up, I seal him up.
02:48:07.000In other words, I glue that back on pretty well, and therefore I didn't want it sliding around, because it will make it crease right across the forehead, if that's the case.
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02:54:08.000They are great people and because my wife and I went to the museum in Round Rock, I mean in Georgetown, which now is set up, shows all of the old stuff.
02:54:21.000And of course these Swedes came over here because of the potato Uh, famine that was going on, so many of them, like the Irish did too, and that's where my family came from.
02:54:33.000I got a little bit of everything in there.
02:54:34.000Yeah, we have a river in Ireland by the name of the Grootie River, a bridge over it, the Grootie Bridge, and a roundabout to get to it.
02:54:43.000So we know it's the Grootie Roundabout, so we know the name Grootie over there, folks know it, not over here, because we're strangers.
02:54:51.000You were telling me about your daughter too.
02:54:52.000Well, our daughter happens to be a part of the display department of the Little Apple.