Alex Jones talks to Paul Grudy, the head of the funeral home that took in the body of Lee Harvey Oswald, and talks to a man who claims to have witnessed the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas in 1963.
00:00:14.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:18.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:25.000Coming up in the next segment, we're going to have Paul Grudy on.
00:00:30.000He was the head of the funeral home that took in the body of who they claim was Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:00:36.000They then, uh, government came in and made him put his handprints, fingerprints, on the Magna Carta Cano rifle that they claim shot Kennedy, uh, three shots in six seconds.
00:00:47.000So we're going to have Mr. Grudy in studio coming up in about six minutes.
00:00:52.000After this quick break, we're going to talk to Mr. Groody on air about 30 minutes, and in the last 15-20 minutes, if you have specific questions about the JFK assassination and his story, then you're absolutely welcome to call in as well.
00:01:07.000I'm, of course, making a documentary about the JFK assassination, interviewing St.
00:01:11.000John Hunt, interviewing Jim Mars and others, and we're so honored to have Mr. Groody in studio with us.
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00:03:21.000Now, as I said, in closing, we're going to come back and get into the JFK assassination with just an amazing eyewitness, and I'm very kind, very nice person.
00:03:34.000I enjoyed meeting his son, who I saw at a talk fest this weekend.
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00:08:11.000Paul Grudy was born in Washington, Kansas on February 22, 1919, George Washington's birthday.
00:08:20.000After high school and college, Paul graduated from the Williams Institute of Mortuary Science.
00:08:26.000He enlisted in the United States Army and became a chaplain's assistant and a surgical technician.
00:08:30.000After being honorably discharged, he returned to civilian life to build cemeteries, homes, and mortuaries.
00:08:36.000Paul was the licensed undertaker and funeral director in charge of the burial, subsequent exhumation, exhuming, and reburial of Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:08:45.000And he retired at 85 years of age, and he is He is as sharp as a tack and we are honored to have him here in studio with us.
00:09:01.000We appreciate the fact that after all these years, we can still talk about it and enjoy the fact that it is something that the public is still interested in.
00:09:15.000Tell us about growing up, World War II, a little bit about yourself and then how you got into the mortuary business leading up to the tragic assassination in 1963.
00:09:23.000My father happened to be a part of the family that had a mortuary in Ohio.
00:09:33.000And because of that background, I was inclined, and my brother was also inclined, to become a mortician.
00:09:41.000Being around the business, we might say, for 75 years, that's a long time to be in anything.
00:09:50.000And it's only those who are honestly dedicated that can be in this business because we're at a service all the time.
00:10:00.000We are the ones that had to do what most folks didn't really ever want to do, and that was to go to a home or to go where somebody had died or been killed.
00:10:13.000We're the ones that had to clean up that sort of mess that always exists around that kind of death.
00:10:24.000Continuing from there, so you were trained as a mortician before you went to World War II?
00:10:39.000Matter of fact, in the Williams Institute of Mortuary Sciences, it was required that we deal with at least eight I happen to be so easily accessible and so interested in it, I had 88 instead of just 8.
00:10:58.000Because of my background there, I ended up in the medical field with the Army, and because of that, every pathologist that ever came around and was in a base hospital wherever we were stationed in the States or overseas, They would hunt me up because I could assist that pathologist with an autopsy, whereas to find somebody who had that kind of background, it was a little unusual.
00:11:26.000And then you got even more training in World War II.
00:11:42.000We ended up going into Le Havre, going through France and up into Germany, fought the Germans, and at that time we knew it was winding down because the Germans were running out of and out of ammunition, and my jeep would go to get supplies, and they would come back, and there would be a dozen Germans hanging on his jeep, because they knew it was over.
00:12:07.000But one interesting little story I think is quite important.
00:12:11.000Because of the fact that they were winding down, it didn't make a lot of difference, but a German Red Cross agent, one who was an honest-to-goodness medic like I was, came across the line and said, Sergeant, can I end up working with you guys, Sergeant, can I end up working with you guys, because we know we're ending the war.
00:12:32.000He was using perfect English, and I said, how come you can talk such good?
00:13:18.000He went across the line, went over to the motor pool on the German side and came driving back in a great big German Mercedes
00:13:28.000I mean, so this gave you even more training in death, in firearms, in what the ballistics of a bullet going through flesh look like.
00:13:51.000I mean, I don't want to make you tell any war stories, but what were some of the most amazing or harrowing things that you saw while you were in Europe?
00:13:58.000Well, of course they were bringing me not only the Americans who had been injured and hit by ammunition or by a bomb or whatever.
00:14:07.000They were bringing that through my aid station and we would take care of the best we could.
00:14:12.000Then we'd send them back to the base where they needed to go to get further help.
00:14:18.000It was a matter of most fantastic that these boys were treated on the scene by my guys who were my medics out in the field and it was remarkable that they did save their lives and of course we were taking care of the Germans as much as we were the Americans because after all and those German boys who all said the same thing said we're sure glad you came along because you're going to get rid of Hitler and they didn't like it either.
00:14:53.000And of course, we didn't know what happened to them after we sent them back.
00:14:57.000But they were taken care of, that's for sure.
00:15:00.000And after all these years, I found out that a lot of us at that time were never treated for the fact that the bombs going off and the ammunition that was used and the type of The death that we saw and the bad stuff stuck in our minds and they didn't recognize this.
00:15:24.000Only now they do for the boys that are over in Iraq.
00:15:28.000That they really realize that they're committing suicide and they are not being, they had a problem.
00:15:35.000But we, back in those days, had no help whatsoever.
00:15:40.000They didn't know that we were affected by the bombs and by the the death that was around us.
00:16:50.000Now, when we're going to break, I want to come back and get directly into the JFK assassination and the part you play in that whole saga and story that is now coming to a head, finally, in closure today.
00:17:02.000Paul Gritty, what were you doing on that horrible day in 1963 when the president was killed?
00:17:11.000We were at the funeral home in Fort Worth.
00:17:18.000Secret Service called me and said, you are Paul Grudy.
00:17:22.000We have checked into the records and found that you are a licensed mortician, that you did fight in the bones, that you fought in the war.
00:17:30.000Secret Service said you come to Dallas and get the body of this man because we want your kind of guy to help us get the job done of Of knowing that this man was was embalmed and buried properly and that's how we did it.
00:17:50.000I did go to Dallas and pick up his body, brought him back to funeral home in Fort Worth, embalmed that body, made arrangements and buried him.
00:18:00.000But a part of that that I think is so important, do you know the general public talks about Lee Harvey Oswald doing this.
00:18:09.000I know his mother or knew his mother because she's gone.
00:18:13.000She never was convinced that it was really Lee Harvey.
00:18:17.000His brother, his wife, the two babies, and of course one thing about it, to think that this guy was pegged as the one who really did it, and it was proved that he did it, and Mama never could quite believe that that was her son to do a thing and Mama never could quite believe that that was her son to But they are decent people.
00:18:50.000Took these two kids that they had and raised them, and they both graduated from the university, I understand, and they are such nice, wonderful girls and have their own families now.
00:19:02.000And it shows that this guy, I always said, you know, one nut showed up and shot the president, and the second nut showed up and shot him, and that was Ruby, Jack Ruby.
00:19:17.000And now, I didn't know, but maybe there was a third nut out there was going to come and shoot the undertaker.
00:19:25.000When we get back, I want to break down, I mean, as slowly as possible, as detailed as possible, Mr. Grudy.
00:19:33.000I want to walk through what happened that day, then when Oswald got killed, how the Secret Service had you come get his body, how they had you put the fingerprints on it, and the rest of it, okay?
00:19:44.000Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be right back after this quick break with Paul Grudy.
00:19:48.000We'll have him for the rest of the hour.
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00:24:13.000They had come out and pick up the body of Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:24:18.000He wanted to prove that it indeed was Oswald later because there have been debates about three guys with the same name, different people running around, but the big issue here is the Secret Service came and had him put his palm print of the dead body of Lee Harvey Oswald on the Malinker Carcano rifle.
00:24:36.000So if you can, Mr. Groody, walk us through when you went and picked up his body and then later when they came back and had you put the palm print on there in as much detail as you can.
00:24:47.000Just the fact that we knew good and well if they put a palm print on his hand that they would put the black Uh, ink all over his hand and we, I was concerned the fact that when they did that I had to clean it up again because I was the one going to have to bury this guy and I didn't want that black all over everything.
00:25:10.000So it was a matter of asking them to be careful when they did this.
00:25:15.000But they came to my preparation room as we call it and did actually apply his hand onto that rifle to prove that that rifle had the the handprint on it that was really Oswald's handprint and not somebody else.
00:25:33.000Now, my end of things was, my job was to bury this man, and his mother said, yes, this is Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:26:12.000Let's walk through this now very slowly.
00:26:15.000You know, go back in memory, Mr. Grudy.
00:26:17.000You know, they come in, they take his hand, they put it where on the Mamlaker-Carcano rifle and be Was this the rifle, did they tell you this was the rifle that Oswald supposedly had?
00:26:30.000This is what they told me, that they wanted to do that because this was the rifle that they got from the school book depository and that was the one that Oswald was supposed to have used.
00:26:43.000Now, we don't know, I have no knowledge of the fact, were they telling me the truth?
00:26:49.000Well, that's where all the speculation can come from.
00:27:28.000Now, to know that Ruby did the shooting and I was on the inside of that body and I saw where the hole had been, where the bullet had gone in.
00:27:38.000Now, the autopsy pathologist had saved that little hunk of skin where the bullet went in.
00:27:45.000Now, Ruby did that, and it was so quick, there was an officer absolutely handcuffed to Oswald at the time.
00:27:55.000Yeah, and therefore, him walking up and shooting like he did, remarkable that it missed the rib, it would have ricocheted, it changed direction, and all of that, but I saw where it went through the rib, between the ribs, and lodged over on the other side of his between the ribs, and lodged over on the other side of I saw all that, so I know that that's where Ruby had hit him.
00:28:49.000And to know that my experience overseas and with the bodies and people I was around and with all the army camps where people had been accidentally killed and whatnot and all the autopsies, I've been around thousands of them.
00:29:03.000I saw what I saw and I know that this guy was killed by Ruby.
00:29:36.000I want to go back again and have you go back to memory exactly what the Secret Service said, what they had you do with the hand, then the former head of British Intelligence calling you, the exhuming of the body.
00:29:47.000We're going to talk about it all with Paul Grudy on the other side.
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00:33:26.000Paul Grudy was born in Washington, Kansas, February 22, 1919.
00:33:32.000After high school and college, Paul graduated from Williams Institute of Mortuary Science.
00:33:36.000He enlisted in the United States Army and became a chaplain's assistant, was in the Battle of the Bulge, and then a surgical technician.
00:33:42.000After being honorably discharged, he returned to civilian life.
00:33:45.000To build cemeteries, homes, and mortuaries, Paul was the licensed undertaker at the funeral director in charge of the burial, subsequent exhumation, and reburial of Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:33:55.000And you can just type Paul Grudy into the search engine and read all about him.
00:34:00.000There are different encyclopedia entries, you name it, the Lee Harvey Oswald research page, and a lot more online by searching the keywords Paul Groody together.
00:34:11.000Okay, Paul, this is such a big deal, I want to walk through this slower.
00:34:14.000Describe that day, what you've been doing, if you remember, when the Secret Service came in, what they said to you, where the body was, what they had the rifle in, what they said the rifle was, in detail, as much detail as you can give us, walk through it slowly.
00:34:31.000Alex, I knew that we were probably going to be harassed.
00:34:39.000When I would walk out back of the funeral home, we counted 1,300 cameras back there behind us in our parking lot.
00:34:51.000When the Secret Service said, we're coming and we're going to want to make a print off of the hand of the man that you have, and we're going to blacken his hand and all, and I said, well, you guys be careful back there because I'm going to bury him and I don't want that black all over all his clothes and everything.
00:35:11.000Now, they took a handprint And took his hand and put it against the butt of the rifle that was supposed to be the rifle that this man used.
00:35:22.000I don't know if it was the real one or what it was.
00:35:33.000Took it out and blackened his hand and pressed his hand on the butt of that gun exactly as a man would hold it.
00:35:43.000A dead human remains that had been embalmed, which I did, and did a little more than normal, as far as embalming was concerned, because I knew they might want to look at him again in the future, because that, it would be hard to really get a good print, so we don't know how good a print.
00:36:07.000Well, Riger will send in, shortly after death, When it does, everything has become rigid and firm.
00:36:16.000You can tell how long a body has been gone, or the life is out of a body, because if rigor has not been set in, it doesn't take long for it to finally begin to set in, and then to move arms and legs and the body.
00:36:41.000This is a part of what happens to people and that's what happened in combat.
00:36:46.000Boys that have been hit, and we didn't know how long they'd been hit, but we knew that Rygard had been hit sometime earlier, so you never know what's going on.
00:36:56.000But we definitely knew that they were going to do this And I was careful to make sure that they would do it in a manner that would be proper.
00:37:10.000Well, we have, and I think this is an interesting tale, So, Alex, there was a man that passed away in a rest home by the name of Bobo.
00:37:22.000Mr. Bobo and the lady who was in charge of the rest home said, Mr. Bobo died and Paul would you come and get his body and then bomb him and bury him.
00:37:33.000And I said, I'll do it, and she said, now he had four $100 bills in his boot, because he was an old cowboy, and the boot had a hole in it, and it had four holes, that's a bigger hole, smaller, smaller, smaller, in the $100 bills.
00:37:50.000He had four $100 bills, and that was to bury him with.
00:37:54.000Those are the bills I used to bury that old man.
00:37:57.000Now, knowing good and well that I had Bobo on Table 1, I moved Bobo to Table 2 and put Oswald on Table 1.
00:38:07.000Everybody that looked, they would say, is that Oswald?
00:38:10.000I would say, because I'd open the door to go in there, and they'd say, is that Oswald?
00:38:59.000Well, if they found that, that's what they were doing.
00:39:02.000They were making sure that his fingerprints were on the gun to prove that he was the one that actually used the gun to definitely make him to be the one who did the killing of President Kennedy.
00:39:25.000His mother always said, I don't believe that was my son that did the shooting.
00:39:29.000That it could have been somebody else.
00:39:31.000Now, they had claimed they were coming to get his fingerprints, but then they were trying to put the rigor mortis hand with the ink on the gun.
00:39:38.000Did you say, hey, why are you doing that?
00:40:11.000Uh, ambulance business was a part of our business too, and being around that all the time, we were questioned, uh, no question about it, we had to check and make sure we were talking to a real policeman or whatever it might be.
00:40:24.000How long did it take you to get the ink off the sand?
00:40:27.000Well, I don't remember now, but of course we have cosmetics, and I felt as though the cosmetics would probably cover it up, and it did pretty well, cover everything up.
00:40:36.000We didn't have any real problem with it, because his hand is down, and covered up with the way you keep a hand.
00:40:43.000Did they have an open casket at his funeral?
00:40:46.000Actually, the parents and the brother, the mother, and the brother and the wife, they got to see him, but the rest of the public did not.
00:41:19.000Michael Eddowes is an English author that wrote a book about it and because of that they wanted to know if I could disinter his remains so they could look at him again.
00:41:29.000So this is what the process was and Mr. Bobo I mean, Mr. Eddowes, Michael Eddowes, said that he was going to come over and that he'd pay the bill if they'd dig him up.
00:41:40.000And I said, well, if you're going to pay the bill, I'll get a permit.
00:43:12.000And because of the fact that... What did the break look like?
00:43:16.000Well, it was a typical dead human remains, I'll guarantee you.
00:43:20.000No, but I mean... It had been recently... I mean, it had originally been broken.
00:43:25.000It seemed like shortly after I buried him.
00:43:28.000Now, one tale that goes with this that I think is interesting, if nothing else, the man who ran the cemetery, he committed suicide some years later.
00:46:38.000When we Dougie Mupp, that lid had been broken, the vault itself had been broken, showing that somebody had done something, and we have no knowledge who it was.
00:47:15.000We've had people have their arms and legs cut off and they claim it's suicide.
00:47:18.000Well, yeah, there's no question about it.
00:47:20.000Being in my business all these years, I've seen a lot of things and that's one thing we always kind of wonder about.
00:47:25.000I wonder how they get local police to certify that people shoot themselves twice in the back of the head and cut their arms and legs and head off.
00:47:32.000Some Clinton people had that happen to them.
00:47:42.000I have been there hundreds and hundreds of times because we are the ones that have to go clean up the mess with a suicide or with a murder and all of that.
00:47:51.000So you have to respect the old guy who's been at it.
00:48:37.000Can you speak to that probably being the end?
00:48:38.000Well, just the fact that if you, if I go out into the woods and get a body that's been out in the woods a long time, you know it's going to end up to be nothing but a skeleton, because that's all that is left.
00:48:50.000And it's nearly always disturbed and distributed around in the area.
00:48:54.000But if they've left it packed, their jaw is down on their chest, typical.
00:49:24.000But if they didn't want somebody to be able to exhume it and do another autopsy to really find out identity or something, they'd want it to rot.
00:50:12.000I put the cap back on and sealed up his head again.
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00:54:22.000You'll be able to go and link through when the show ends and hear Paris, more than four million albums sold, his maiden voyage interview with us.
00:54:32.000Then we had the latest info from the Ron Paul campaign.
00:54:35.000With the head of the campaign joining us.
00:54:38.000A week after that, we're lining that up right now for you as well.
00:54:41.000And of course, I'll be back live this Sunday on KLVJ 590 here in Austin and syndicated in great places like Kansas City, KCAA going into San Diego, and about 18 other affiliates.
00:55:48.000Anything else you want to, you know, final word for the listeners?
00:55:53.000I really am happy, Alex, to leave all that good stuff to you because you have it.
00:56:03.000It's what it takes to get the job done.
00:56:06.000Knowing good and well that we talked Just the other day, my wife is a full-blooded Swede, and her grandparents came from Sweden, settled out by Round Rock, out by Hutto, had property out there, the Westberg family.
00:56:21.000The owner of those networks is a Swede.
00:56:26.000They are great people, and because my wife And I went to the museum in Round Rock, I mean in Georgetown, which now is set up, shows all of the old stuff and of course these Swedes came over here because of the potato Uh, famine that was going on, so many of them, like the Irish did too, and that's where my family came from.
00:56:51.000I got a little bit of everything in there.
00:56:52.000Yeah, we have a river in Ireland by the name of the Grootie River, a bridge over it, the Grootie Bridge, and a roundabout to get to it.
00:57:01.000So we know it's the Grootie Roundabout, so we know the name Grootie over there, folks know it, not over here, because we're strangers.
00:57:09.000You were telling me about your daughter, too.
00:57:11.000Well, our daughter happens to be a part of the display department of a little outpost, Anheuser-Busch, taking care of the... She puts on all their big events and facilities and... Well, SeaWorlds and Busch Gardens and that sort of thing.
00:57:39.000The fact that Don has designed homes and has built himself one up on the top of a mountain in Lago Vista, well really, Jonestown, and he's got a mansion up there that's a gorgeous thing.
00:57:54.000You guys are a classy family and I really am honored to count you as friends.
00:58:12.000If you missed any of the first hour with Paris or the Ron Paul information, that restarts now.
00:58:17.000You go to Infowars.com and there's the streams right there.
00:58:20.000Powerful info if you missed it coming up.
00:58:22.000I want to thank all the listeners, all the affiliates, all the sponsors.
00:58:26.000off, Mr. Gritty, I want to shake your hand and say bye to you and your wife, and also make sure I get your address right to come out and interview you next week for the JFK film.
00:59:28.000At the top of it, it says, if you find... When you find Social Work 101 Family as a Disease System posted here, this has only been going about an hour and a half, and I've read over a bunch of quotes and things that I hadn't seen that back up what we're saying, but I did find one that I do remember reading, because listeners mail me these books, and we have a lot of professors and scholars and researchers that listen to the show, and it says, Sociology, A Brief Introduction.
00:59:56.000And by the way, just during the break, I googled this and found the opening introduction online, because Amazon does that, and didn't need to find it, because I'm not just going to read this unless I can go prove it myself.
01:00:06.000But this is, and I've seen this before, now this is on page 285, discusses the approach, the family of conflict theorists.
01:00:17.000Conflict theorists also view the family as an economic unit that contributes to social injustice.
01:00:23.000The family is the basis for transferring power, property, and privilege from one generation to the next.
01:00:30.000Conflict theorists argue that the family helps to maintain inequity.
01:01:18.000Bob, in the few minutes we've got left, you want to read that specific Harvard psychologist's statement again?
01:01:26.000It came from, really, it's all, you know, if somebody wants to really know what it's all about, it's UNESCO, and they had a 1947 book called Towards World Understanding.
01:01:36.000You know, and in that book, on page 58, they say, quote, as we have pointed out, it is frequently the family that infects the child with extreme nationalism.
01:01:46.000The school should therefore use the means described earlier to combat family attitudes.
01:01:51.000That's all coming from, you know, UNESCO, UN stuff.
01:01:53.000Now see how it says they're mentally ill, they're infected?
01:01:56.000That's the same as saying disease, but I'm telling you there's one where they call the family.
01:02:00.000In fact, read the whole quote from start to finish.
01:02:02.000Okay, this is the quote from Chester M. Pierce, 1973.
01:02:06.000A professor of education at Harvard in 1973 at a Denver education conference, quote, Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our founding fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity.
01:02:30.000It's up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well by creating the international child of the future.
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01:07:08.000Alright, in the last hour we gave footnoted quotes about how the family is a sickness, the children are mentally ill, they have a disease basically.
01:07:20.000I have now tracked down who this particular Calhoun sociologist was.
01:07:24.000Talking about the family being in disease.
01:08:35.000But it's a classic attack saying we don't tell the truth or we're full of it.
01:08:41.000So I thought I'd play a few minutes of this and then refute it with Charlotte Isserby, head of policy, Department of Education under Ronald Reagan.
01:08:47.000Herself, quite esteemed degrees and background in civil service internationally.
01:08:54.000And then, of course, her father, Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, as well.
01:08:58.000So, you know, pretty high-powered family.
01:09:00.000From inside the intelligentsia, blowing a whistle from the inside out, we'll be talking to this dear, wonderful lady who wrote the bombshell definitive work, Deliberate Dumbing Down, in just one moment.
01:09:10.000But first, here is the creature on YouTube, standard attack pattern, just putting out pure bull.
01:09:17.000This is the Scientist, and I'm doing a video response to the Alex Jones Family and Socialism thing.
01:09:24.000First off, I want to say that Alex Jones, nuts.
01:09:29.000This is the same guy who does Prison Planet, and we all know it for gems like, aliens are invading, you know, Bush is an alien, just weird, off-the-wall crap like that, and this video is Perfect example of what this guy is all about.
01:12:35.000It's acknowledged that modern education, kindergarten, the structure of rote, the five to six class periods, the specialization, the regurgitation and repeating, that's the Prussian model.
01:12:47.000The prison system is based predominantly on the Panopticon French model that rose in the last 250 years.
01:12:53.000I mean, I actually read the textbooks on this.
01:12:56.000You didn't, little boy, or you didn't remember it.
01:14:34.000Everybody knows people have been dumbed down, this has been the process.
01:14:37.000Yeah, but all the other calls, I want to make it very clear that you are correct on whatever you've been saying there.
01:14:43.000I've had a lot of calls from educators, public school educators, superintendents, sometimes even commissioners of educators, and they're all totally supportive.
01:15:12.000You can just... I mean, I always think of it, if I only have, you know, one second or 30 seconds, the most important quote, because it comes from It's Benjamin Bloom, Professor Bloom's behavioral psychologist, who really is behind the whole dog training method that is necessary for workforce training.
01:15:32.000He died a few years ago, but he admits it.
01:15:35.000He says, the purpose of education in the schools is to change the thoughts, feelings, and actions of students.
01:15:44.000From what the parent is trying to instill, from what the church is trying to instill, that's the definition right there, the purpose.
01:15:51.000Then he goes on to say, a large part of what we call good teaching is the teacher's ability to attain effective objectives through, that means attitudes, values, and beliefs change, through challenging the student's fixed beliefs And getting them to discuss issues.
01:16:15.000And then you have the 1945 Treaty, UNESCO.
01:16:19.000Kindergarten or infant school can correct many of the errors of home training and prepare for membership in the world society.
01:16:28.000It is in the family that children are infected with nationalism.
01:16:32.000And you have Dr. Chester Pierce in the 70s, Harvard.
01:16:35.000Every child in America who enters school at the age of five is mentally ill, because he comes to school with an allegiance toward our elected officials, toward our founding fathers, toward our institutions, toward the preservation of this form of government that we have.
01:16:50.000Patriotism, nationalism, and sovereignty, all that proves that children are sick, because a truly well individual is one who is rejected, All of those things, and is truly the international child of the future.
01:17:40.0001968, he says, an article in Learning and Teaching in the NEA Journal.
01:17:45.000His top educator folks, behavioral psychologists, behaviorists, right?
01:17:49.000He says, quote, the most controversial issues of the 21st century will pertain to the ends and means of modifying human behavior and who shall determine them.
01:17:59.000The first educational question will not be what knowledge is of the most worth.
01:18:06.000But what kinds of human beings do we want to produce?
01:18:16.000This aging juvenile who regales teachers and other school people at conferences way back in the 70s, summed it up when he said, every child in America comes to school insane at the age of six because of the American family structure.
01:18:31.000And then Dr. Reginald Lurie, president of the Joint Commission Conference of Child Development Act, 1971, and after the break, I really would like to read what he said because And let's double those footnotes for people out there.
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01:23:06.000Charlotte, out of the gates, in a nutshell, Tell folks just a little bit about yourself who don't know who you are, what you discovered inside this, and then just continue with the quotes by the heads of academia, the heads of the, quote, education science in the last hundred years for social workers and people being trained to be social workers who, you know, go up on YouTube and say, I'm making all this up.
01:23:30.000Oh, no, you're not making it up at all.
01:23:43.000They're evil people who would do this to our children.
01:23:46.000But they have admitted, they truly have admitted what they're doing, and so much of that is in my book, and it's also, a great deal of it is on another website I have, too.
01:24:38.000The most important item on that, if you call it an item, is the Reese Committee hearings.
01:24:46.000Norman Dodd was the research director for those committee hearings in 1953 on the tax-exempt foundations, and I bought Uh, the 3,000 pages of the hearings.
01:24:59.000It was the only copy left in the country.
01:25:00.000The foundations had bought up all the copies after the hearings were abruptly terminated for obvious reasons.
01:25:09.000I'm sure your listeners understand why.
01:25:11.000Because it's the history of the treason.
01:25:15.000It was against America by the Tax Exempt Foundation.
01:25:23.000There are 90,000 pages of marvelous research there, education documents, everything.
01:25:28.000But the major reason for that website was when I purchased the congressional testimony during the Reece Cox Committee hearings, of the investigation of the Tax Exempt Foundations.
01:25:47.000A lot of that website is free, most of it.
01:25:51.000Some of the new items are donor only, but the brief committee hearings are free, and if you had any idea what I paid for them, I'm sure you would go rushing in there to grab it immediately for fear something would happen with the internet.
01:26:05.000But they're extraordinary, extraordinary documents in that... at americandeception.com.
01:26:11.000Now, going back, I'm going to, in brief, just tell you that when I got out of the Foreign Service in 1960...
01:26:22.000I was in the Foreign Service and with the American Red Cross for over a period of 15 years or something.
01:26:28.000And then I got married in Belgium, came back to the United States, became a school board member, went up against the change agents.
01:26:34.000I love it the way everybody's using the word change agent now.
01:26:37.000I might point out that I went through change agent training because a master teacher called me and she said, Charlotte, you're right on in your battle on the school board against your change agent superintendent, and I want you to go for training.
01:26:50.000And she paid for me to go, and it was at that training where I really got on my white horse, folks.
01:26:54.000And I've been on that white horse ever since, and I will never get off the horse as dirty as can be, but I will never get off because of what I was taught to do.
01:27:07.000And this was Ronald Havelock's Change Agents Guide.
01:27:12.000How to bring about change in your community and schools.
01:27:16.000And we were taught how to identify the resistors in our community, and also how to identify the important groups in the community, like the Chamber of Commerce, the Rotary Club, the Garden Club, etc.
01:27:28.000Nice people who really think they're doing such good work, and they've been taken by the change agents to get them on board to support sex ed, drug ed,
01:27:38.000Critical Thinking Ed, Deaf Ed, whatever, all the things that I've added hanging off the end of it, which are geared not towards helping your child be a good citizen with good morals and values and be an individual in this world, but are geared towards brainwashing them to be exactly the opposite, to be little, little, utter chaotic freaks.
01:28:00.000And that is the goal of all this program.
01:28:02.000So I was taught how to get those programs in.
01:28:20.000Let's come back and encapsulate that, and then get into more quotes, what their plan is, how they've done everybody down, where they're going.
01:28:28.000We're going to footnote again those quotes, we'll go through some more of them, for the individuals out there who just want to say that we're talking about space aliens.
01:28:34.000We're talking to the former head of policy, number two position, Department of Education.
01:28:40.000Not only was she skilled and intelligent, she came from a skull and bones family.
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01:32:29.000It's one thing to go read the book that took her over a decade to write for free at the LibraDumbingDown.com, and that's wonderful that she's done that, but I suggest you buy the book the size of a phone book.
01:32:40.000I'd say half of it is just documents, The actual documents.
01:32:44.000Every time she makes a claim, there's not just a footnote.
01:35:02.000Charlotte, going back to you, I mean, I want to go over the key quotes, the key documents, and in a nutshell, when they took over education, how they converted it, how they federalized it, and then some solutions.
01:35:13.000You've got the floor, but I want to hear more of those quotes.
01:35:17.000Alex, I also want to point out, you're correct.
01:35:21.000I do have the book free on my website, and that's fine, but I've found that people I thought when I did that that I'd lose sales on the book, the real book, and in fact it increased sales, because people get tired of looking at the white screen, and so Alex, you shouldn't have any problem, you know, with the book.
01:35:41.000Well, there's something tactile about it, and you know, my stuff falls free as well, about being able to hold it, see it, share it, carry it with you, yes, yes.
01:35:50.000So anyway, you know, we were talking about how The effort is not just to get the kids' minds, but it's the parents' as well.
01:35:58.000This is an outcomes-based ed quote, because people might say, oh, she's talking about all those old quotes way back there, with U.N.
01:36:06.000and Brock Chisholm talking about the, you know, the psychiatrist, General Chisholm, good friend of Algerhead, saying, we've got to get rid of the conscience.
01:36:14.000We're going to retrain the teachers like little psychiatrists.
01:37:01.000And that's what they have to have that in.
01:37:03.000It's in now completely across the country because they need it for school to work.
01:37:07.000But this is a quote from John Champlin, terribly high up with William Spady and the whole crowd, American Association of School Administrators.
01:37:16.000This community, this is a program of theirs for outcomes-based education, direct instruction.
01:37:22.000This community effort should be designed both to re-educate and to re-norm parents and the general public.
01:37:30.000Think of re-norming the community the same way you conduct similar efforts in the school environment.
01:37:44.000That's a nice quote because people get bored hearing the ones about the teachers and that's really a very good quote.
01:37:51.000Now, I'm going to read another one which actually is proof positive.
01:37:56.000When you have people saying, oh, you're wrong, deaf ed, sex ed, critical thinking ed, you name it, whatever, those things, education, Well, has education hanging off the end of it?
01:38:09.000Oh, they're for the good of the child, and the families should be really happy the schools are involved in that.
01:38:15.000Well, I got ahold, this is in deliberate dumbing down of America, I happened to be lucky enough to get ahold of the journal called the School Counselor, special issue on death, May 1977.
01:38:30.000And it came to us from the American Personnel and Guidance Associates, you know, those nice guidance counselors that your children have access to.
01:38:38.000Quote, listen to this, the last goal is to help students, this is on deaf education, is to help students clarify their values on social and ethical issues.
01:38:50.000An underlying but seldom spoken assumption of much of the death education movement is that Americans handle death and dying poorly, and that we ought to be doing better at it.
01:39:02.000Well, they're probably talking about the fact that we believe in God, right?
01:39:06.000And that's where we deal with it very poorly.
01:39:09.000As in the case of many other problems, many Americans believe that education can initiate change.
01:39:20.000This is a direct quote, and think in terms of what this says.
01:39:25.000This actually says that they will be using death ed, the same way they use sex ed, to change our children's attitudes and values, so that children accept any sexual behavior, any anything now.
01:40:04.000Well, the thing is, with death ed, they educate the children towards all the other religions, Buddhism, Hinduism, whatever-ism, everything except Christianity.
01:40:14.000But anyway, it says, change is evident and death education will play as important a part in changing attitudes toward death as sex education played.
01:40:24.000In changing attitudes toward sex information and wider acceptance of various sexual practices.
01:40:32.000Now look, if that doesn't tell you that they have deliberately, that's why I love the word deliberate in the title of my book, They have deliberately gone after your children's morals and values and your family.
01:40:45.000Now again, it's not just that they're perverts.
01:40:48.000If you actually read the eugenicists who started the social working in England, then in Germany, then in the U.S.
01:40:54.000as it migrated, they say that by having people be promiscuous, lots of partners, getting people used to abortions and birth control, it's meant to reduce the size of the family, thus to also attack it and break it down, just like the Soviets did.
01:41:09.000Well, that's right, and let me read this.
01:41:12.000Remember, I think the break came when I was doing Dr. Reginald Lurie.
01:41:28.000That's why we have all these people coming into our homes, early age, taking kids away from us, etc.
01:41:34.000Now, he said, quote, he's president of the Joint Commission.
01:41:38.000There is serious thinking among some of the future-oriented child development research people that maybe we can't trust the family alone to prepare young children for this new kind of world which is emerging.
01:41:50.000The Soviets have long recognized the shortcomings of the family.
01:41:54.000That is one of the reasons they felt they needed to have access to the babies.
01:41:59.000During the first 18 months of life, the brain is growing faster than it ever will again.
01:42:03.000It is then also more plastic and most available for appropriate experience and corrective.
01:42:11.000And that's why they openly say in Europe and here that they want to get people on welfare so they get the children and now they're offering even middle-class people, oh, let us take care of your baby.
01:42:21.000Let us pay the kids to stay late till 8 o'clock at night.
01:42:44.000He's the only one that constantly is talking about bringing it down.
01:42:48.000If that was all he recommended, folks, he should be president for that.
01:42:54.000Because the future of our country depends on how our children have been educated as little individuals for upward mobility, having an understanding of the world, not trained like rats.
01:43:21.000I remember reading the National Association of Psychologists, Psychiatrists in the 40s, where they said the Americans are the smartest, they read the best, all the inventions are from here.
01:43:30.000We've got to, they've used words like dumb them down, lower their horizons, constrict them, teach them to be cogs in the planned society.
01:43:38.000The middle class is going to compete with the social planners.
01:43:47.000They openly said they were going to do this, just by making education boring and not making sense they do it.
01:43:52.000And it took us from the highest test scores way down.
01:43:55.000Uh, and I'm going from memory, but on that National Banking Association document about how we gotta take over education and stop them from reading.
01:44:02.000I mean, you know, now they can claim it's for all these reasons, and you're four or five generations into cult-like teachers and social workers.
01:44:20.000And, you know, for those who really want a good document to show, to people who say, oh, well, you know, things aren't so bad, the education schools aren't so bad, at American Deception, there's an entry, and it doesn't take much, it's about eight pages, and go in there, folks, and just type in the search engine up there, PIGNITE.
01:45:13.000He had to name all the cabinet officials.
01:45:14.000He had to know all the Bill of Rights.
01:45:16.000He had to understand the Constitution, the three branches of government.
01:45:20.000He had to know, unbelievable, the protections, everything, and he got 99.
01:45:26.000Go there and look at it, and you know what you can do with that?
01:45:30.000You can cut and paste, and you can send that to anybody you want on a computer and prove to them This was America's public school system as late as 1953.
01:45:43.000So it was a deliberate, you know, from 1945 on, he just escaped it.
01:45:49.00045 on, that was the UN, going to the UN, UNESCO, get rid of academics, you know, Brock Chisholm, the teacher becomes the psychiatrist, then we have the agreement for the Soviet Union, Reagan signed, merging the two systems, all of that came after 45.
01:46:06.000But this was 53 before Hignite had been hit, when there were still very good teachers around.
01:46:13.000There still are some who try to do this.
01:46:15.000But look at that, because it shows how very deliberate this whole agenda has been to dumb down your children, to strip them of their values, to make them into the little new Soviet man, because everything in education has been Sovietized by now, because everything in education has been Sovietized by now, exclusively.
01:46:59.000So, all of those, your wonderful listeners out there who are homeschooling, Or who are in private schools that don't accept a penny of any form of tax money, federal, state, or local.
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01:47:17.000And the public schools, I'm sorry to say it, because I'm a great supporter, always have been, of public education, because it was the best system in the world.
01:47:27.000But all the money that's gone in, the multi-billions of dollars, trillions of dollars, from 1981 when I was there, the Department of Ed was $12 billion.
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01:47:53.000I want to throw a program note in here.
01:47:55.000I was on the message board and professors and all these other people were finding all these other horrible quotes saying the family's bad, the family has to be gotten rid of, the family is a sickness, a disease.
01:48:04.000And then now it moved off of the PrisonPlanet.com forum.
01:48:09.000I can't find it in the subpages and I can't find it in recent posts.
01:48:12.000Can somebody, I know it grew full of quotes and I want to go back and vet those and follow those back for an article we're doing.
01:48:19.000Can whoever has that page repost it in a recent post or post it at the top or something.
01:48:27.000Charlotte, I know you had other quotes you wanted to read before we hit that break 30 minutes ago.
01:48:31.000Do you want to read any more quotes you didn't have time to get to about the family being bad?
01:48:39.000This may hook into what you were talking about.
01:48:42.000Arthur Calhoun's A Social History of the American Family in 1919.
01:48:47.000There are three volumes, I believe, and in the third volume he says, quote, Is that the higher and more obligatory relation is to society, rather than to the family.
01:49:01.000The family goes back to the age of savagery, while the state belongs to the age of civilization.
01:49:09.000The modern individual is a world citizen served by the world, and home interest can no longer be supreme.
01:49:15.000As soon as the new family, consisting of only the parents and the children, stood forth, Society saw how many were unfit for parenthood and began to realize the need of community care.
01:49:30.000And he goes on there, if you want the rest of the quote... No, no, that's it!
01:49:33.000What they did is, it wasn't a 1919 book.
01:49:35.000They took that quote, and then in the UT textbook I was looking at, when they were using there, University of Texas at Austin, it then went on to say it's that the family's a disease.
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01:53:21.000Every educator, every person that has children in a government education camp, indoctrination center, Now again, we're four or five generations into this.
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01:53:33.000In the founding documents right through the seventies, they were quite honest.
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01:59:33.000And he really sounds like the only person in the world that listens and knows what's going on around him and is telling everybody, hey, this is how we fix it.
01:59:43.000And every issue he supports, controlling the borders, being against abortion, they're all above 70% points now.
02:01:37.000You know, I read the Harettes and the Jerusalem Post daily.
02:01:41.000It actually is amazing how much more information you can get out of their media.
02:01:45.000But this was on the 9th of January when Bush was over there visiting.
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02:02:02.000So I don't know if you've ever touched on the oil pipeline to Haifa, Israel.
02:02:05.000I'd like to hear your thoughts on it, though.
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02:06:27.000John Hunt and his wife, a son of the famous spy master-in-chief, E. Howard Hunt, of Watergate fame, Bay of Pigs, overthrowing A whole bunch of third world countries, CIA section chief, head of western intelligence, you know, Ethan Hunt on Mission Impossible, that's named after his father, he consulted on the films.
02:06:50.000But for our safety, because the five minute audio tape's been out there, it's been on Coast to Coast AM, it's been here, it's been on Xtrub, we've played that here, we're going to play a few more minutes of that today that you heard six months ago here, or five, six months ago.
02:07:04.000But there is also hours and hours of videotape.
02:07:49.000Some things that he went ahead and told me about on film in Dallas, Texas.
02:07:54.000And so we'll tell you about just that whole process, what it was like for him to be there, but also the fact that his home was broken into, well, not broken into, it was, they got in without breaking anything.
02:08:04.000They ransacked all the papers, tore things open, just like you see in the movies when somebody's been looking for something.
02:08:09.000Then they tried to run him off the road when he was on a highway, you know, right there in Northern California off the cliffs.
02:08:16.000This is serious, serious business that we're talking about.
02:08:27.000It was great to see this character with Jim Mars who knew Jack Ruby, who went to his nightclub, and there's famous pictures of him dancing on the table with the girls, Jim Mars, when he was a college student.
02:08:43.000And, of course, his photo was then used by the Congressional Committee in 79, the Assassination Committee that did find it was a government conspiracy and an assassination.
02:08:52.000Did you know the government found that?
02:10:13.000John, Kind of like the same questions I asked you there at the Knoll in the hotel room and on the building there on the top of the Hyatt overlooking Dallas.
02:10:21.000What was it like to go back to the Knoll?
02:10:23.000What was it like to come back to that place?
02:10:25.000When we picked you up from the airport, when you touched the ground, when you got into Dallas, it was Dealey Plaza.
02:10:38.000First of all, once I got on the ground there at Dealey Plaza, and even from the hotel room when I looked out over the plaza, I mean, it was just such an awakening feeling to realize that this was exactly where I was.
02:10:58.000I'd seen so many pictures of Dealey Plaza before, and seen the movie stills of the Zapruder film, but you just don't really get that concrete of an idea of how really tiny of an area it is.
02:11:12.000I mean, and this is the perfect place for an assassination.
02:11:18.000When I was looking out over Union Plaza from the hotel room, it struck me like a lightning bolt of how well this operation was planned.
02:11:29.000This was no fly-by-night, last-minute, sit-in-your-pants, gumshoe operation where somebody just grabbed a rifle and ran from their house and just, you know, threw something to get the last minute.
02:11:42.000This was a completely professionally planned operation.
02:11:45.000And being there at Dealey Plaza not only was eye-opening for me, but it was extremely emotional for me.
02:11:53.000This was an incident that, you know, affected, well, not only myself, but, I mean, the entire nation and at large the entire world.
02:12:07.000To be there talking about this, to go up to the Grassy Knoll, to be behind the picket fence, to see the railroad tower where Lee Bowers saw the two assassins from the rear as they fired the fatal headshot.
02:12:21.000This incredible stuff it was just it was just a very moving very emotional and very eye-opening for me.
02:12:31.000Jim Mars, what a character that guy is.
02:12:33.000He has got to be the most... I mean, he's got to be the authority on, you know, the final word.
02:12:42.000He's the most profoundly intelligent, and I respect him greatly for his vast knowledge of the details surrounding all aspects of not only the JFK assassination, but of 9-11 and the Bilderberg conspiracy and just many, many, but of 9-11 and the Bilderberg conspiracy and just many, many, many details in our I thought he was personally, he was a great guy, kind of a feisty Texan.
02:13:10.000He likes to have a beer, and I like to have a beer with him.
02:13:22.000I really, again, enjoyed meeting your wife.
02:13:23.000I'm just really personalizing this because it was personal for me.
02:13:26.000intellectually savvy individual very very nice man yeah he's a sweetheart i really again enjoyed meeting your wife i'm just really personalizing this is was personal for me the courage that you guys have doing this i hate to bring your mother up but it's such an integral part I mean, they blew her up coming into Midway Airfield, coming into Chicago.
02:13:47.000You know, they told you guys to shut up.
02:13:49.000Just the stories in person of you during Watergate when you're carrying money around for your dad from being followed by the FBI.
02:13:58.000Let's go ahead and get into JFK now, and then coming up in the next segment, I'm going to play first some clips from the audio that was already released, and then some of the audio from the video that's never before.
02:14:07.000This is its maiden voyage here on air today.
02:14:11.000But let's talk about something that people don't know or haven't heard before.
02:14:16.000I mean, really, because you're, I wouldn't call you a shy guy, but you know, you don't, You know say it all just in one run you had your place broken into you had somebody try to run you off the road days before And then after some events that happened when the Rolling Stone cover story came out I mean with the tail talk about your place what happened?
02:14:36.000Well, I had just moved into to a house with a with a friend of mine and this was around This was April That's when the Rolling Stone article broke, Last Confession of E. Howard Hunt.
02:14:56.000That story breaking that somebody had slipped in, without breaking anything actually, just kind of like swept in through the wind and rifled all the paperwork in all the rooms in that house, gone through all of my stuff, gone through all of my roommate's stuff.
02:15:18.000And there was no jewelry missing, there was no DVDs missing, no television, no stereo sets were stolen, nothing was, everything was accounted for, but all the paperwork, all the files had been ransacked and pulled out and all the manila envelopes had been opened up and strewn about, so I mean it was obvious that they weren't there, whoever was there, they weren't looking for jewelry or you know, any items that you could take to a pawn shop and pawn.
02:15:45.000So it didn't seem like it was a normal break-in, some, you know, drug-crazed, you know, drug addict coming in to steal stuff.
02:15:55.000So it seemed kind of really creepy to me.
02:15:57.000And then, of course, a few days after that, I was driving home alone.
02:16:03.000It was late at night, about 11 p.m., and I was taking a kind of lonely stretch of highway by the coast called Samoa Boulevard.
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02:22:20.000I heard from Frank that LBJ had designated Gordon Meyer Jr.
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02:22:35.000Cord Meier himself was a rather favored member of the Eastern aristocracy.
02:22:45.000He was a graduate of Yale University and had joined the Marine Corps during the war and lost an eye in the Pacific fighting.
02:22:58.000I think that LBJ settled on Meier As an opportunist parent, like himself a parent, and a man who had very little left to him in life ever since JFK had taken Kord's wife as one of his mistresses.
02:23:23.000I would suggest that Kord Meier welcomed the approach from LBJ, who was after all Only the Vice President at that time, of course, could not number Cord Meyer among JFK's admirers.
02:24:05.000In any case, his actions, whatever they were, came to the attention of the Santiago station chief and when his resume became known To, uh, people in the Western Hemisphere Division.
02:24:24.000He was, uh, brought in, uh, to, uh, work on, uh, Guatemalan operations.
02:24:33.000Spruce and Morales and, uh, people of that, uh, yoke, stayed in, uh, apartment houses, uh, during preparations for, uh, the big event, uh,
02:24:49.000Their addresses were very subject to change, so that where a fellow like Wallace had been one day, he was not necessarily associated with that same address the following day.
02:25:05.000In short, it was a very mobile experience.
02:25:09.000Let me point out at this point that if I had wanted to fictionalize what went on In Miami and elsewhere during the run up for the big event, I would have done so, but I don't want any unreality to change this particular story, or the information I should say.
02:25:37.000I was a bench warmer on it, and I had a reputation for honesty.
02:25:44.000I think it's essential to refocus On what this information that I've been providing you, and you alone by the way, consists of.
02:25:55.000What is important in the story is that we've backtracked the chain of command up through Kordmeier and laying the doings at the doorstep of LBJ.
02:26:16.000He, in my opinion, had an almost maniacal urge to become president.
02:26:24.000He regarded JFK as he was, in fact, an obstacle to achieving that.
02:26:33.000He could have waited for JFK to finish out his term and then undoubtedly a second term.
02:26:40.000So that would have put LBJ At the head of a long list of people who were waiting for some change in the executive branch.
02:26:51.000Okay, when we come back, we're going to play the rest of the new information ever before heard.
02:26:56.000Again, we've got about 30 seconds, but St.
02:26:58.000John, through the chronology, there's the written notes with the chain of command, there is this audio tape and the videotape.
02:27:05.000Give us the chronology of what came first.
02:27:08.000Well, the first thing that came about was the audio tape.
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02:31:19.000And in the space of that time, he did handwritten notes with the command structure of LBJ at the top, right through Kordmeier and the rest of them.
02:31:28.000And now there's this video, quite a bit of it, his whole life, CIA, OSS, World War II, before that, right through everything, sniping on the Yalu River, all of it.
02:31:39.000You're going to hear a few minutes today, never before heard, and Aaron has selected these clips out.
02:31:48.000John knows what clips are about to play so he can comment on them, Aaron, specifically tell folks about some of the clips we've got here.
02:31:53.000Primarily, we're looking at E. Howard Hunt discussing LBJ's roles and motivations.
02:32:01.000Uh, he wanted the power of the presidency, and directly implies he was hooked up with William Harvey, a top CIA agent, who Howard Hunt himself says was several ranks above Howard Hunt's level.
02:32:13.000And then about Oswald, he says that he was basically a low-level nobody, so he was easy to burn.
02:32:20.000Yeah, that clip's not in there though, but that's on the tape.
02:32:34.000Yeah, I received the tape from him and I was stunned and shocked at what he was...
02:32:42.000telling me on the cassette tape that you played part of.
02:32:45.000So I flew down to Miami, and during the next week we managed to have some time alone, not too much, but in the very short amount of time we had alone, he wrote out in his own hand on some memo paper the chain of command he wrote out in his own hand on some memo paper the chain of command and then a more detailed chronology starting in 1963 about meetings he had with David Morales and Frank Sturgis concerning a larger operation
02:32:58.000He wrote out in his own hand on some memo paper the chain of command and then a more detailed chronology starting in 1963 about meetings he had with David Morales and Frank Sturgis concerning a larger operation called the Big Event, which was headed by Bill Harvey to assassinate President Kennedy.
02:33:22.000And then after that, I flew back to California and then it was in April 2005 that I flew again to Miami to conduct what was to become his last video interview, which I filmed in a hotel on which I filmed in a hotel on Miami Beach with my father.
02:33:43.000And I think you're going to play some clips from that.
02:33:52.000John, and I'll probably have some comments, and Aaron's got some.
02:33:55.000Let's go ahead and start rolling that.
02:33:57.000And we know that LBJ had an unlimited ambition, and we know that he was a corrupt individual, and that the dollar sign was very important to him as vice president.
02:34:16.000He didn't have the leverage that a president did or would.
02:34:23.000And so that was an attractive goal for LBJ.
02:34:28.000In other words, he did not want his career to come to an end as vice president.
02:34:36.000I think it was very, very important to him that he take advantage As to the extent that he could as Vice President, because just a few things had to be accomplished.
02:34:52.000He had to kill Kennedy, or have him killed I should say, and be guilt free himself.
02:35:02.000Then he could go on and do what he wanted to do as President of the United States.
02:35:12.000It was a very tempting And almost a logical move on his part.
02:35:23.000It wouldn't have been hard for him to talk to... I keep thinking about Bill Harvey.
02:35:31.000Call Harvey and say, look, there's some things I want to have done.
02:35:36.000And I think it's... I mean, Harvey didn't want just another An additional CIA salary.
02:35:59.000If he were president, he couldn't do much for Harvey or anybody as vice president.
02:36:09.000It doesn't speak well for our democracy at that particular time.
02:36:14.000But I think if it happened just that way, it'll be Jay who got people, got officers, who had the ability, the skill, to go ahead and do what he would have done even if it involved the presidency of the United States.
02:37:06.000But, uh, you can tell that he's a bit conflicted, holding back a little bit here, but still the power of this, uh, actually being, um, video.
02:37:27.000Well, I think you put it very well there, and I think my father was very concerned about actually going on videotape with this, but he had agreed to do this in the previous year with me, and by the time I got back to him in Florida, he had undergone
02:37:54.000A tremendous amount of, he had withstood a tremendous amount of pressure from his immediate family that lived with him down there.
02:38:03.000This was the second family after your mother was blown up and after he got out of prison for water.
02:38:10.000You have to understand also that my father, of course, had testified twice before congressional and Senate investigative committees and stated under oath that he had no knowledge whatsoever on the assassination of had testified twice before congressional and Senate investigative committees and stated under You had testified.
02:38:32.000And I had testified on my father's behalf during the Watergate investigation, the hearings in Washington, D.C.
02:38:42.000That's a good point to bring up now, that just recapping how that night he pulls you out of bed, has you clean the equipment, has you go throw it in the water there near the Potomac in the pond, and about how you saw all these guys, Sturgis and others, and then in Watergate supposedly he just met them.
02:38:58.000Well yeah, when my father testified under oath, when he had met Frank Sturgis, the running story was that he had met Frank through Bernard Barker, one of the other Cubans from Miami.
02:39:17.000And that was what the story was that my father went with.
02:39:23.000And he never admitted that he'd known Frank since before the Kennedy assassination, but on these handwritten memos, and to me personally, he admitted that he had met Frank many, many years before, during some of the run-ups for the Bay of Pigs, some of the exile meetings, and also during these run-up meetings for the big event, which was the operational code word for the assassination of President Kennedy.
02:39:53.000And in this ongoing cover-up, you believe, and even mainstream media says it's obvious, that they blew your mother's plane up coming into Chicago.
02:40:01.000Well, I do certainly think that there's enough conspicuous information that at least should mandate another investigation.
02:40:13.000I think it's very, it goes beyond, you know, coincidence.
02:40:17.000When you have one or two things that sort of I'm not a conspiracy theorist of any kind or a conspiracy nut or anything like that.
02:40:21.000And I'm not a conspiracy theorist of any kind or, you know, a conspiracy nut or anything like that.
02:40:27.000I'm just, you know, a very sort of simple person, just, you know, put my 40 hours of work in a week.
02:40:34.000But when you have, what I've learned over the years, when you have a mounting amount of things that take place immediately after something like that plane crash, when you have President Nixon installing Eagle Krogh as the number one man when you have President Nixon installing Eagle Krogh as the number one man in the National Transportation and Safety Board the day after that plane came down, when you have Dwight Chapin, who became a board member of United Airlines within a few
02:41:05.000The FBI breaking into the command tower and stealing the audio tapes which had the conversations between the cockpit crew of that flight and the tower there.
02:41:20.000And the FBI showing up right as it blew up already.
02:41:23.000They're having the plane specially diverted to a pretty much shut down airfield.
02:41:27.000Now expanding from there, your mother also had something on her at the time, didn't she?
02:41:34.000She had evidence that she and my father were using to pressure the Nixon White House, what they call blackmail, but my father never agreed that it was blackmail.
02:41:48.000In fact, he always claimed that there was an Well, we have the Nixon tapes where he's going, how much does my son need?
02:41:57.000in the intelligence community where if you're on an op for your superiors, if you're doing something and you get caught, if you're doing something illegal or in a foreign country, even domestically, if you're caught or exposed or anything happens to you, your family gets taken care of.
02:42:14.000Well, we have the Nixon tapes where he's going, how much does Hunt need?
02:43:19.000The Bay of Pigs, the Cuba stuff, the attempted assassinations, all the other materials, the info about the overthrow of other third world countries like Guatemala.
02:43:31.000But the big question here I've got for you, and I should have asked you this beforehand so you could think about it, and if you need the break to think about it, that's fine.
02:43:36.000We're going to play a few more clips here in a minute.
02:43:39.000Uh, but did your father off video or off tape or off, you know, ever say anything else separate?
02:43:45.000I mean, we know growing up he'd say, yeah, we need to kill all the Kennedys and, you know, finish the job, kill them all, and yeah, great, Bobby got it.
02:43:51.000I mean, not just that stuff, but did he ever say anything else before he died about, yeah, we killed him, or was it all just on tape?
02:43:59.000No, we had a lot of side conversations.
02:44:02.000For example, when we left his house where I was staying with him in Miami, in north Miami, and we were on our way to the Holiday Inn there on Miami Beach to tape the section of videotape where and we were on our way to the Holiday Inn there on Miami Beach to tape the section of videotape where he talks about LBJ and the JFK assassination, I didn't know how much he was, at that point, how much he was going I didn't know how much he
02:44:36.000Because he wouldn't even tell Kevin Costner when he'd been at the house.
02:45:54.000And in the end, why do you think he did it?
02:45:58.000In the end, I think he did it because he knew that it was of such a huge historical significance, and I think he wanted, you know, at the very end, he wanted to get this information out, you know, even if it was just, you know, just part of the story, which I don't think he, I mean, I know he didn't tell me the whole story, but I think he was brave enough to tell me what he told me.
02:46:22.000There was nobody with the leverage that LBJ had.
02:46:24.000was to do with this information what I thought was necessary and so that's what I'm doing with this I want to bring it to the world and that was that well we thank you for that let's finish up with this first clip we're gonna come back with another here it is okay and that was what LBJ really wanted there was nobody with the leverage and that LBJ had no competitor at all
02:46:47.000he was the vice president and if he wanted to get rid of the president that he had the ability to do so by corrupting different people in CIA and
02:47:04.000And he had to do it with the limitations of CIA, because there was no other group that honored Well, let's put this together a little bit.
02:47:22.000and yes, then, the limitations, the way CIA did.
02:47:27.000- Well, let's put this together a little bit.
02:47:29.000I mean, you've said now that David Phillips apparently met with Oswald in Mexico City.
02:47:38.000You've said that Bill Harvey may very well have recruited a French or Corsican gunman to shoot.
02:47:46.000And you've also said that Court Myer had a motive in that his wife was having an affair with John F. Kennedy.
02:47:53.000So now you have three CIA officials Uh, who had, let's say, the means, motive, and opportunity, you know, or some connection to kill Kennedy.
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02:51:52.000Look, there's going to be a part two to this interview where we flesh out the hour of video we've got and play a few other clips in the weeks to come and have St.
02:52:05.000John, before you go any further, plug your website and you've done a videotape presentation about all this that I think historically our listeners need to purchase and need to get.
02:52:15.000Plus, all the work and energy and time you put into this is basically broken.
02:52:31.000Give people the website and tell them how they can order it.
02:52:34.000Well, you can go on my website, which is stjohnhunt.com, and on that website you'll be able to hear the audio confession that my dad sent me in 2004, as well as some other things if you just sort of click around, but there'll be a A place you can click on there to order the DVD.
02:53:02.000It's an interview with me that I did last year.
02:54:11.000I'd have to review some of the extensive videotape I have to see if he's on camera saying what were the powers behind LBJ, but I think it was just something that he knew and that he knew I knew, and it was something that he wasn't really, you know, Specifically, at least on the tapes that I gave you guys, spoke about.
02:54:34.000I think he was sort of starting at LBJ, but I think it was expected that he knew people realized that obviously LBJ was a single person, a vice president, that he needed to be supported by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Council of Foreign Relations and all these other very powerful organizations in the world.
02:54:53.000Well, we know he fired Ella Lemonster when he wanted to stage terror attacks in the U.S., not to even come out on the front line.
02:54:58.000We know he was abolishing the CIA, getting the troops out of Vietnam, getting us out of the Federal Reserve.
02:55:03.000I mean, he did everything to make the establishment angry.