Alex Jones breaks down the truth about life extension technology and how it ties into the elite and how they want to keep it out of reach of the public. He is joined by the head financial writer for the London Guardian, the largest newspaper in England and Europe, and the head of the Tibetan exile government, Ugin Tenzin, who joins him to discuss the latest developments in Tibet.
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00:01:16.000So that is coming up with Andre de Grey in the second hour, and then we will go to Tibet again, or from the border of Tibet from India, where the exiled government is, and the chairman of the head of the major human rights organization for the Tibetan people.
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00:08:00.000Okay, we've got Ombry DeGray, one of the top experts we've got Ombry DeGray, one of the top experts on live extension technologies and Thank you.
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00:09:02.000Right now, Larry Elliott joins us for this segment and the next.
00:09:05.000He is the economics editor at the London Guardian, biggest paper in England, and they do a lot of great reporting there, and we're really honored to have him.
00:09:15.000I've read a lot of his reportage over the years, but a story he did earlier in the week, America was conned.
00:09:26.000As trust was lost, Wall Street duped the public.
00:09:30.000And then it goes into what's really happening here, and now they're leaving the dollar and the American people holding the bag, devaluing our currency.
00:09:39.000We're going to pay back all of these hundreds of billions a month they're pumping in to these brokerage firms and banks.
00:09:46.000We'll have to pay that back in tax money, so they're going to tax us and they're devaluing our savings.
00:09:51.000People on Social Security fixed incomes.
00:09:53.000Of course, you're getting $600 a month.
00:10:24.000If you can, just elaborate on the article and break down why you're saying that this was all a big engineered scam.
00:10:30.000Well, I think the real point about this is that for a large part of the last 70 or 80 years since the New Deal, I mean, certainly for the first half of that, America grew in steps and everybody got richer together.
00:10:43.000So rich and poor got wealthier, and everybody got a fair share of the pie.
00:10:48.000Of course, the rich stayed rich and the poor stayed poor, but everybody got richer together.
00:10:52.000And I think it was John F. Kennedy that said, a rising tide lifts all boats, and that for sure happened in the 50s and 60s.
00:11:00.000Well, in the 70s and 80s, some sort of weird stuff happened, really, which was that all the controls that had been put on big finance on Wall Street by Roosevelt and the new dealers were gradually stripped away.
00:11:10.000So, essentially, Wall Street was allowed to do pretty much what it wanted, and you saw these stratospheric salaries, and the rich got very much richer than poor people, who saw their salaries pretty much stagnate for a large period of time.
00:11:27.000But of course, you know, you still have to get people to buy stuff, otherwise big business doesn't make any money.
00:11:33.000So they came up with this great idea, which was that everybody would get on the housing market, and they went around and sold loans to people who really weren't well equipped to pay the loans back, and these were sort of subprime and all-time loans, and then they sort of mixed stuff with sort of teaser rates and exploding ARMs and so on.
00:11:51.000People didn't really know at that point.
00:11:54.000signing up for, but essentially they were told, well, the housing market is a great success story.
00:11:59.000You know, you might have a bit of trouble paying your mortgage back, but actually, you know, it won't be a problem because you're going to sell it for more than you paid for it.
00:12:07.000And of course, what they then did, and that was the first really dumb thing that happened, was that they suckered a whole lot of people into buying these houses that they really couldn't afford to keep up their payments for, and they left sort of time bombs ticking away, which would explode after one or two years when people had to pay much more on that for which would explode after one or two years when people had to pay And the second really dumb thing they did was then they took all these loans and they bundled up some of the really bad loans with some good prime loans and they sort of made them into a big paste.
00:12:36.000And they put these into securities which were then sold on Wall Street because Wall Street wasn't particularly well regulated and no one really knew what it was up to.
00:12:46.000And someone described it like this, you take a sort of a meat pie factory and you put a few really rancid carcasses in there and you mince it all up and put it into some pies and then you sell the pies off into supermarkets, into Walmart or whatever.
00:12:47.000You take a sort of a meat pie factory and you put a few really rancid carcasses in there and you mince it all up and put it into some pies, and then you sell the pies off into supermarkets, into Walmart or whatever.
00:13:01.000And then suddenly there's a big panic because someone says some of these pies have got bad meat in them, but nobody actually knows which pies have got the bad meat in them.
00:13:13.000So that's what really happened in the financial markets last year was that as the housing market started to go down, as it inevitably did, because it was a gigantic bubble, people said, hang on, we've sold all these securities out into Wall Street.
00:13:25.000Some of the big banks are holding them, but nobody actually knows how much the exposure is going to be.
00:13:31.000And so that's when the financial markets themselves went into a complete meltdown because nobody would actually deal with anybody else because nobody knew how much of this toxic waste they'd got, how many of the bad meat pies were actually sitting in Citigroup or in Merrill Lynch or in Lehman Brothers or how many of the bad meat pies were actually sitting in And so that's really the genesis of the crisis.
00:13:53.000Ordinary American people who were genuinely, I think, conned by the slick salespeople who came around and sold them the loans, have actually Absolutely, and the article you wrote, America Was Conned, Who Will Pay, gets into more detail and a lot of historical perspectives.
00:14:09.000has found itself in a state of total panic because it doesn't know how big these losses are.
00:14:14.000And that's why I say America has been conned, and who is actually going to pay for all this?
00:14:26.000I want to talk about the British experience in the 1730s, and, of course, then we had it in 1815 with Rothschilds, and it just happens over and over again.
00:14:36.000but but but to explain this to people in in Or to boil it down, they always make it a left-right political football.
00:14:42.000And I'm a libertarian, but by the left would be seen as more right-wing.
00:14:46.000It has nothing to do with left or right, but Rush Limbaugh and the other big neocons want to make it a political football instead of having a rancid, corrupt financial system that's totally corrupt.
00:14:58.000We can't have a discussion about that.
00:15:00.000They get on the radio and they say, evil liberals claim that it was the banks that did this, but no, it's dumb, poor, Greedy liars!
00:15:10.000And sure, I mean, I use the analogy of a five-year-old child... Hello?
00:15:19.000I use the analogy... Sure, I just heard somebody's cell phone cut into the wire, so I was just pausing... You're having trouble with being in an office here, but carry on.
00:15:25.000No, no, no, I totally understand, that's fine.
00:15:28.000I was just pausing for you to answer, or whatever.
00:15:30.000Going back... It's like a five-year-old child, yeah?
00:15:34.000Yes, like a five-year-old child who you tell don't play in the front yard, and then the kidnapper comes by and kidnaps them.
00:15:41.000The child was bad, but the kidnapper is the predator.
00:15:44.000And that's what we have with these brokerage firms and banks.
00:15:47.000They knowingly went and lobbied the federal government to take off the restrictions in the early 90s and then in 99, as you know.
00:15:54.000They then came in, they packaged absolute crap with nothing backing it, had companies AAA rated, and then now they're selling out the dollar, having the Federal Reserve bail them out, and then the average American doesn't even understand how the financial system works or even where D.C. and then the average American doesn't even understand how the financial system works or even where D.C. is or where All they know about is Britney Spears and American Idol.
00:16:19.000So where do you think we're going with your economic expertise and what you watch with markets?
00:16:24.000How bad do you think this is going to get?
00:16:26.000Are we seeing just the beginning or is everything fine?
00:16:28.000I think this could get very bad indeed.
00:16:30.000I think it is actually quite bad in the US at the moment.
00:16:33.000We're already now over here in Britain, starting to wonder whether we're going to get a bad dose of it.
00:16:39.000I think this credit crisis is very deep, and it's going to last a long time because there's a lot of rottenness in the financial system, which has been allowed to build up over the last few years.
00:16:50.000As you say, these big Wall Street firms lobbied the government very hard to take away all the restrictions that were put on for very good reasons in the 1930s by the new dealers because they realized in the 30s that the problem was not the ordinary American.
00:17:03.000It was the sort of tendency of the markets to go for these massive spectruses of bubbles, and that's really why this is no different from the South Sea bubble in the 1720s or tulips in Holland in the 17th century or the railroad booms that America had in the 19th century.
00:17:18.000It's a classic bubble which always ends in a very, very deep bust, and that's what we're getting right now.
00:17:26.000I think what's interesting about all this politically is that Wall Street finds welfare a very, very good idea when itself is in trouble.
00:17:36.000All the time that things are going well, it wants the government off its back, it wants regulations to be removed, it wants It wants the freedom to do exactly what it wants, up until the very moment when it gets into trouble.
00:17:45.000Then it suddenly finds it wants a really big fat check from the US taxpayer to pay that out.
00:18:06.000Essentially what happened there, people didn't actually know what they were speculating on.
00:18:11.000They had loads of bits of paper floating around London in 1720.
00:18:15.000And in fact, the prospectus of the South Sea Bubble Company said something like, it's a company for the purpose of which we're not going to tell anybody what it is.
00:18:22.000That was actually what people were told.
00:18:24.000They were told absolutely nothing about what this company was doing.
00:18:27.000And in fact, it wasn't doing anything.
00:18:28.000It was a complete phony company in many, many ways.
00:18:31.000And essentially the markets in recent years have been exactly the same.
00:18:34.000Everybody has been buying and selling these securitized loans and mortgage-backed loans.
00:18:38.000And no one has had the first idea what this stuff is.
00:18:42.000And I met someone a couple of months ago in Switzerland at a meeting in Davos where he said, and he was the CEO of a big Swiss company.
00:18:50.000He said, I was the CEO of a company and we knew these guys were out there doing all these weird stuff and dealing in these exotic financial instruments.
00:18:57.000And we just turned a blind eye to it because they were making us money and we didn't know what they were doing.
00:19:00.000But we thought, hell, they're making loads of money.
00:19:23.000But the corruption of the 90s and 2000s makes the stuff in the 60s and 70s look like a tea party.
00:19:29.000And we're now entering the end of this mega global bubble.
00:19:32.000It's not just going to affect the US, it's going to pull the world down with us.
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00:24:35.000We were talking about collusion, and it's admitted that from the big brokerage companies and banks right down to the local appraisers, the realtors, And then, yes, the people taking the loans, but they're there, yeah, I have no money, I have an $8 an hour job, but I'm getting a $300,000 house.
00:24:59.000I mean, this amazing systemic corruption across the board.
00:25:04.000I think it's a bit bizarre to blame the people right at the bottom for this.
00:25:08.000I mean, I think that's a rather bizarre thing.
00:25:10.000They were told that they could live the American dream.
00:25:12.000Yeah, this was advertised as the financial instrument!
00:25:17.000Yeah, I mean, Alan Greenspan has been banging on about this in his memoirs, saying that the good thing about what happened in the last few years was that it enabled people to get their foot on the property.
00:25:28.000That was the way it was heavily marketed to people.
00:25:30.000And I think a lot of people, they did raise issues with the people who came around and sold them a loan and said, You know, actually, I don't have a full-time job, or, you know, I don't earn that much money.
00:25:40.000And the people who were selling them the loans said, that doesn't matter.
00:25:47.000And they didn't actually tell them all the ramifications of it, what would happen after one or two years when the real deal kicked in.
00:25:53.000So I think people really were take them for a ride, and to blame them for it, if that's what people are saying in the U.S., I think that's actually pretty poor of them to say that.
00:26:02.000But, I mean, essentially, the problem was that in order to keep the housing market bubble going, you had to actually get those poor people into the housing market because you, you know...
00:26:13.000No, it's like abducting a child and...
00:26:17.000I mean, but the markets need a constant supply of first-time buyers in order to keep going.
00:26:23.000Prices have gone up so much in the boom that first-time buyers couldn't actually afford to get on the housing ladder without them being given these special...
00:26:29.000And I just want to add that they may have cut interest rates down to almost nothing.
00:26:38.000They're still not giving loans to people that have pretty good credit here in the United States.
00:26:43.000The level of fed funds rate is really irrelevant to the real level of mortgages that people are actually paying because what's happening is that Wall Street firms have taken such big hits on their profitability as a result of all the stupid stuff they did, that they are now trying to make that money back by pushing up the interest rates that are actually charged to their customers.
00:27:00.000So I would bet there aren't too many people across the U.S. who can get a loan anywhere from a firm for 2% or anything like it.
00:27:08.000They'll be paying 8% or 9% easily for their mortgage loans, and that's a real hit for people.
00:27:13.000Yeah, I've actually looked into it because I have a mortgage, and the Fed fund rate went down.
00:27:29.000So, I mean, people, you know, you think about it, people are paying 7.5%.
00:27:32.0007.5% for the mortgage, they're seeing the price of gas go up because of $100 oil prices, they're seeing the price of food go up because of what's happening in the global food markets.
00:27:40.000They're not getting a big increase in their take-home pay.
00:27:43.000I mean, this is a really, really tough time for Americans, and that's why I think there's been a sort of con job done here, really, by the Well, listen, I want to come back and ask you just a few more questions.
00:28:16.000I mean, this looks like it just gets worse and worse.
00:28:18.000Yeah, I mean, I think that the problem at the moment is that if you don't need credit, you can get loads of it.
00:28:24.000So if you wanted to have a credit card and you're on, if you've got a lot of equity in your house, then you can get it easily.
00:28:29.000But if you do need credit, it's very hard to get hold of and very expensive.
00:28:32.000And a lot of people... I mean, what's really happened in the States, I think, over the last 15 years is that one bubble has been solved by creating another bubble.
00:28:39.000So there was a dot-com bubble, and that seemed like it was going to fizzle out.
00:28:43.000And Alan Greenspan responded to that by creating another, even bigger bubble.
00:29:12.000Well, it may be wonderful if you're living in the White House and you've got a big ranch down in Crawford, but I mean, I'm not sure that it's particularly wonderful when...
00:29:23.000Well, we saw the markets plunge after those two speeches.
00:29:28.000Stay there, sir, just about five minutes on the other side.
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00:34:01.000Going back just about five minutes left with Larry Elliott.
00:34:03.000He's also a very prominent best-selling author.
00:34:07.000He's also, of course, the financial editor of the largest paper in England, probably the main paper in Europe.
00:34:13.000I've seen it everywhere when I've been in Europe, and we are just honored to have him with us.
00:34:18.000Really great reports, accurate reports, things that mesh with what I'm getting from all the economists and experts we have on.
00:34:29.000We'll have on all these different experts, and they will You know, talk about all these serious issues, but then most of the mainstream media doesn't.
00:34:39.000Larry, why is it that so many big financial reporters and people don't want to really put out the hardcore news?
00:34:46.000Is it they don't want to rock the boat, or it's too controversial?
00:34:49.000Are there sponsors or big brokerage firms?
00:34:57.000I mean, maybe a lot of journalists are quite well paid and quite well off.
00:35:01.000And don't really see things as they are on the other side of the tracks, or, you know, it may be that some of them are constrained by what they write because of the ownership of their paper.
00:35:11.000I mean, The Guardian is good in that we have complete editorial freedom to write exactly what we want.
00:35:15.000We're not owned by a big proprietor, we're owned by a trust, so we're allowed to just write what we think is true and accurate, and that's what I try and do.
00:35:23.000So, you know, it's nice if people want to hear what I've got to say, but You know, I understand that people have totally different views to mine.
00:35:32.000Some people genuinely disagree with me.
00:35:35.000Let's talk about, in just the last two minutes, we've got your personal view on, from studying history in the current economy, where this is going, and then other experts.
00:35:45.000Pretty much everybody agrees, serious recession, how deep will it get?
00:35:49.000And then the big issue starting to come up is serious inflationary depression.
00:35:57.000There's three possibilities in my view.
00:36:01.000We've just about got away with a quite serious recession.
00:36:05.000The action the Federal Reserve has taken this week and the money it's pumping into the system and the support it's been giving to Wall Street banks and so on will eventually turn things around but not for quite a while.
00:36:33.000The second thing that could happen is that we could have a return to the 1970s, a sort of stagflation, allowing the dollars to fall, making imported food and fuel more expensive.
00:36:43.000So you get a weak, very weak period of the recession in the economy, plus higher inflation, which is really the sort of quite nasty message that we had, the mess that we had in the 1970s.
00:36:54.000And I think that could be prolonged and painful, and that seems to me to be a quite strong possibility.
00:37:00.000And of course, the final thing is, is this really the return of the big one?
00:37:04.000I don't actually think there's any real evidence yet to say that it is the return of the big one, partly because, you know, in the 1930s there was a much smaller state and the government will take up some of the slack in the economy.
00:37:14.000But I mean, it is a possibility that if the financial system really does melt down, I mean, if that happened, if the financial system melted down, And you saw really big falls in house prices.
00:37:25.000More just prime loans started to go bad as well as sub-prime loans.
00:37:28.000People started to get foreclosed on in a big way.
00:37:30.000Then of course you could be looking straight down the barrel of a 1930s experience.
00:37:35.000But I would say that I'd put a 50 or 60% chance of it being a really deep and serious recession, about a 30% chance in a period of stagflation like we had in the 1970s, and about a 10% chance of there being Yeah, it's like walking out your front door and having a 10% chance of getting struck by lightning.
00:38:04.000I mean, it could be different, but I would say that the biggest risk is of a quite serious prolonged downturn.
00:39:11.000banks are being bailed out by sovereign wealth funds and rich investors from overseas who are pumping their money into Citigroup and all these other companies.
00:39:19.000And if they think that the dollar is going to go down in value, Absolutely.
00:39:22.000and all their investments are going to be worthless.
00:39:29.000And if that does happen, and people start to pull their money out of the States in a really big way, then you really are looking at a depression.
00:39:35.000Well, Larry Elliott, the financial editor for the London Guardian, just in closing, tell me about the two books you've written and the new one coming out.
00:39:44.000I read a book about how I thought this was all going to happen 10 years ago called The Age of Insecurity.
00:39:50.000And then I read a book about the UK experience under Tony Blair called Fantasy Island, which came out last year.
00:39:55.000And we've got a new book coming out, myself and my co-author Dan Atkinson in the summer called The Gods That Failed.
00:40:01.000I mean, the gods are the gods of the financial markets, Wall Street and so on.
00:40:05.000And how they completely screwed up the world and messed things up for ordinary people, and what we should do about it.
00:40:09.000So that's coming out this summer in the UK, and it should be out in the US sometime in the autumn, I hope.
00:40:14.000Okay, thank you for spending time with us, sir.
00:44:23.000And it's criminal and they just do whatever they want.
00:44:28.000And they'll tell you it's a law when it isn't a law, but then if you tell them it's going to a DNA database when it's on the government's own sites, they'll laugh at you.
00:44:34.000It's a programmed nation of cowardly, mindless idiots.
00:44:38.000And I guess myself included, I'm like a sheep.
00:44:41.000You'd think Alex Jones wouldn't be, but you get tired fighting this 24 hours a day.
00:45:10.000They, without asking you, without anything, go in there and suck blood out of your baby, and the reason I got mad last night is I knew it went into an international database, and I knew it was for eugenics and the rest of it, and that they say they own it and they patent proteins and different things in your own DNA.
00:45:27.000That's, by the way, in the mainstream news that I've got in front of me here.
00:45:32.000Again, this is admitted, yuppies driving along in your car saying this doesn't exist.
00:45:37.000What made me mad is I learned for the last five years it all goes to Homeland Security.
00:45:41.000Your child is enrolled in a FBI DNA database through Homeland Security for five years with this now and that's what's new.
00:45:49.000They didn't just have the samples and hey, someday they might use it for that.
00:45:54.000They are putting your children, my babies too, in an illegal Database with the murdering scum that run Homeland Security.
00:46:04.000And I don't mean the average officer, but the people that run it are the ones that carried out 9-11.
00:46:08.000They're the ones that take your blood illegally and put it in illegal databases.
00:47:34.000That's what it's supposed to be as a healthy tribal human.
00:47:40.000It makes me sick that this is going on.
00:47:44.000And it makes me sick that I don't have enough writers or staff or people that understand this or the time to even be able to do this or the money to hire the people that understand this stuff to write articles and And show people their rights and I want to create legal centers showing people their rights and easily downloaded forms and we try to put it all together and we give you the vaccine waiver forms for 50 states and made a section and we're working.
00:48:07.000I mean, Paul Watson works 16 hours a day.
00:49:08.000And I had to think, you know, maybe I won't even go in the five days I've got left and stop them from putting her in the FBI database because Because I've got to fight for the Second Amendment and I've only got limited things I can cover.
00:49:26.000And so I literally will let my own family go by the wayside to a certain degree just to try to warn you.
00:49:32.000You understand that's the position I'm in.
00:49:34.000I mean, I've got my head screwed on straight, folks.
00:50:19.000And I burn with desire to warn people, but for newshounds, Australia had a couple news articles, biggest papers, three, four years ago saying, hey, we've got a 32-year database, now 35, of every kid born in the country.
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00:54:27.000But then I looked through all the mainstream documents and news stories in their article, and it just reminded me, and I read the story, and the lady, you know, that they quote in there, and the government documents they have in there, and the stories they have, don't, again, cover one-tenth of what I know.
00:54:43.000And I don't say that as I'm tooting my horn.
00:54:49.000But then, of the 10% though, a lot of it was stuff I didn't know, and I didn't just believe it.
00:54:54.000I went and tracked and Googled it and searched it, and it was, frankly, what they taught me turned out to be much worse than what they even thought.
00:55:12.000I spend hours on them, I spend minutes here.
00:55:15.000How many of you start doing like a ten hour radio show or something?
00:55:21.000States hand over DNA of newborns to DHS, Op-Ed News, and that's Marty Oakley, and it goes into the fact that And they have links to the documents and where they are now putting it in an FBI database.
00:55:42.000They're putting it nationally in a crime database.
00:55:46.000Just like Australia, just like England started in the last three years.
00:55:48.000I mean, we always said, hey, you're not just taking that blood of the health department.
00:55:54.000We knew 30 plus years ago because they started storing it and we knew that they were using it.
00:56:32.000We'll put cameras in your bathrooms, we'll shoot your babies, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, just, you know, the baby deserves to be in a criminal database.
00:56:40.000Two-year-olds in criminal databases in England because of their, quote, genetics.
00:56:45.000But they don't even do a genetic test.
00:56:46.000They just say, well, we just say you're poor, so you deserve it.
00:56:55.000And so I've got the combined written testimony submitted to the committee In Minnesota, I've got the state legislature hearings on it, and it goes back to when they started it.
00:57:10.000And then I've got the federal government's own website, and then the subsidiary groups, National Newborn Screening and Genetic Resource Center.
00:57:17.000You can just go to their website and read all about how they're doing it to you.
00:57:30.000Nationwide, the wicked University of Texas.
00:57:33.000And if you're an alumni, I'm not bashing you individually or Bevo, the longhorn Spanish steer on massive doses of tranquilizers.
00:57:45.000I'm saying UT is a military industrial complex front.
00:57:49.000And they're involved in every form of wickedness you can imagine, and their permanent funds getting up close to $50 billion of cream cash not spent on anything, but their own bank accounts.
00:58:00.000And the University of Texas, in association with the federal government, runs the entire black-off.
01:00:17.000Let me finish up with some news I was covering.
01:00:19.000We're going to get into part two of Life Extension Technologies.
01:00:23.000The third hour we're going to get a quick report from Tibet on what's happening there and your phone calls and more news.
01:00:30.000Okay, so for 35 years in the Echelon group of nations, I call them that because the same nations that have Echelon, I noticed about a decade ago, the NSA spying system, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, the U.S.
01:00:43.000and England all have Head Start, Secure Start, Good Start.
01:00:48.000It's all the same programs, all the same or similar names, same police uniforms.
01:01:34.000And they put it in a database, they use it for genetic engineering, and they say they own it, and they patent it, and they're even talking about charging you later for your own genes for gene therapy.
01:01:43.000I'm not talking about you bagging your own blood or cord blood for your child later if they need it, with the different types of cells, the stem cells.
01:01:54.000I'm talking about they take your baby's blood and they put it in a database.
01:01:57.000Now, they announced in England, Australia, and now the U.S.
01:02:01.000In the last three years that, yeah, it's going into a Homeland Security and in those countries, Scotland Yard and the rest, your child's put in the government database.
01:02:10.000Now it's not put into the main index, but it's entered in and prepared and ready.
01:02:15.000No Fourth Amendment, no nothing, just criminal government doing what criminals do.
01:02:20.000Now, two years ago, I reported, because Google put a press release out, That they were going to use cameras built into almost all new computers.
01:02:31.000By almost, I don't know of any computer that doesn't have them built into the screen, or above it, or beside it, and microphones.
01:02:37.000And people say, well yeah, that's just so you can do video conferencing.
01:02:40.000Yes, but they are going to use it to watch you and listen to you, and then have text ads and audio ads.
01:02:48.000If a dog's barking, they will send you dog food ads.
01:02:55.000And it's going to know what you're watching on television by the audio of it with keyword computers, NSA type technology.
01:03:03.000Again, the computer puts it into text, and the Google software, which is really NSA, and it's old generation stuff, comes in, now they're upgrading it, comes in and scans it.
01:03:12.000And so, forget just cookies and tracking you on the computer, this is your camera watching you.
01:03:19.000We'll have repairmen around the office, or people like that, and they'll say, hey, why do you have a piece of tape over that camera on the computer?
01:03:25.000And they'll kind of laugh at me, and when I tell them, because they can tune in and watch me, oh, they're watching you!
01:03:31.000It doesn't matter if Google puts out a press release.
01:03:33.000It doesn't matter if they say they're already doing it.
01:03:36.000Comcast, and this was covered by New TV, a big industry blog, but you can actually go to Comcast announcing it, Comcast cameras to start watching you.
01:03:49.000And this is going to be in the cable box.
01:03:51.000Now, remember I told you ten years ago, an engineer, I was first told by an installer, then an engineer told me, yeah, these new digital scientific Atlantic cable boxes listen to you.
01:04:03.000And he opened it up and showed me the microphone.
01:04:04.000He said, no, no, they collect data, keywords for marketing.
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01:08:47.000Let me go crazy, crazy on you You know, very often, pretty much every day, we have guests on who've got so many letters behind their names and have done so many interesting things and written so many best-selling books and award-winning journals that I can't, you know, really give them a good bio here.
01:09:10.000We had him on for about 30 minutes last week.
01:09:11.000He's with us for the rest of the hour today because it's an important subject.
01:09:19.000You know what, Doc, before we get into all this, it's best for you just to tell us about yourself.
01:09:24.000I know you don't like that, but instead of me just going over 20 pages of stuff, what do you think is most important for my listeners to know about you?
01:09:35.000Specifically, I'm a biomedical gerontologist, which means that I'm interested in the biology of the aging process.
01:09:42.000But with a view to eventually being able to do something about aging, and in particular with a view to being able to defeat it completely in the future.
01:09:51.000I was originally a computer scientist, more of an engineer than a basic scientist, and one thing that has certainly helped me a lot in being able to make a contribution in my chosen field is that I have this sort of bipartite background, an engineering training and also a basic science training.
01:10:12.000Tell us about some of the books and journals you've written.
01:10:15.000Well, I have a book out that came out about six months ago.
01:10:18.000It's called Ending Aging, and it describes the technical details of how I think we're going to go about ending aging in the foreseeable future.
01:10:28.000I have written it very much for a general audience, so nobody who's listening should be scared of buying it.
01:10:34.000But at the same time, I don't really cut any corners on the science either.
01:10:37.000I go into as much detail as necessary to show that we really do know a great deal about how we're going to solve this problem.
01:10:43.000And you head up a foundation that's one of the preeminent groups out there trying to, I guess, think tank all this information together, but also fund some of the research.
01:10:55.000The foundation is called the Methuselah Foundation, and we solicit funds from the general public, which we then give out again to researchers to perform important critical path research in universities around the world, so that we can hasten the defeat of aging.
01:11:15.000Well, it's all really within one site, mfoundation.org, but there are two main parts of the site.
01:11:21.000One of them is dealing with the actual research itself, in the more abbreviated form, of course, than is present in the book, and talking about the particular research we're funding and what we'd like to fund in the future.
01:11:32.000The other part concentrates on our other main activity, which is the M-Prize, a prize competition that we run, which is simply intended to encourage researchers to try to break the world mouse lifespan record.
01:11:45.000And the purpose of that is because mice are sufficiently similar to humans that serious progress in postponing aging in mice is likely to have forfeitable biomedical relevance to humans.
01:11:57.000And they're already living 50% longer!
01:12:10.000If we alter some of their genes before they've even been conceived, so we alter the genes of their parents.
01:12:15.000But for those of us who have the misfortune to be already alive, the important thing, of course, is to develop therapies that can be begun in middle age and yet have some effect.
01:12:24.000See, I think that's where we got confused last time.
01:12:27.000I'd seen years ago, like 10 years ago, studies.
01:12:30.000I'm sure you've seen them too, but you probably remember the details better than I do.
01:12:35.000But talking about just with diet mice living a lot longer, you're talking about separately genetically modified mice.
01:12:43.000I mean, so basically the genetic modifications that have been discovered so far that make big increases in the lifespan of mice are actually based on the same sort of science as the dietary interventions that were discovered a very long time ago, 70 or so years ago.
01:12:57.000Basically, the genetic interventions trick the mouse into thinking that it's not getting enough food, and it responds by altering its metabolism in a way that has a side effect of slowing down its rate of aging.
01:13:10.000But the thing about that intervention, about the dietary intervention of just not feeding the mouse as much as before, is that unless you start it really pretty early in life, it doesn't really have much of an effect.
01:13:21.000If you start in middle age, it only very slightly increases.
01:13:28.000There are those trees in the high desert areas of California that they think are thousands of years old.
01:13:34.000Not just the big redwoods, but the smaller ones.
01:13:36.000And I remember reading in some studies, a long time ago in college, that scientists think that it's brethren, lower down, that only live 200 years, but these trees are over a thousand years, is because it's very low water, very low temperatures at night, but also hot during the day.
01:13:56.000Is there some type of corollary in plant research to plants that are put under pressure?
01:14:03.000There is some, but we would be very unwise to read too much into it in terms of its relevance to what we could do for ourselves.
01:14:12.000Now I understand, but why are those trees then up on those mountains living ten times longer than their brethren down in the valley?
01:14:18.000Well, there are a variety of reasons, including simple erosion and the degradation of the weather that you've mentioned.
01:14:25.000But the reason why we can't read much into it is because in a tree, The cells that are actually alive still on the surface of the trunk and in the leaves and so on are all continuously dividing.
01:14:35.000I mean, not rapidly dividing, but there is not a single living cell in a tree that has spent more than 20 or 30 years without dividing.
01:14:43.000But our brain, our eyes, all these key parts, they stop dividing.
01:14:47.000Absolutely, especially the brain and also the heart and one or two other tissues.
01:14:51.000And that's really important because a non-dividing cell has much harder problems to solve in terms of avoiding aging, avoiding the accumulation of damage than a dividing cell does.
01:15:00.000If a cell accumulates garbage, you know, material that is indigestible in some way, and it doesn't know how to get rid of it, but it divides, then that material is diluted out between the two cells.
01:15:14.000So it can be kept at a constant level within any one cell.
01:15:17.000And that's an enormously powerful rejuvenating influence.
01:15:20.000And that also applies to mutations that accumulate in the DNA, for example.
01:15:24.000You can use selection to get rid of the cells that get the mutations.
01:15:27.000So the evolution of tissues that have long-lived non-dividing cells, especially the brain, was really the point where we sold our cells to aging.
01:15:38.000And that's why we need biomedical technology to do something about it.
01:15:45.000And again, he's got peer-reviewed studies, papers by major universities and medical institutions, and they're saying there's a lot of evidence.
01:15:55.000I mean, it's backed up scientifically.
01:15:57.000How are you saying that we now know that in the future we'll be able to put it off, and then as you said last time you were on, then if we can put it off another 30, 40, 50 years, there'll be more advances.
01:16:19.000We don't know how soon we're going to be able to do it.
01:16:21.000I think we have a 50% chance of getting there within, let's say, 30 or so years, but we certainly don't know how long it's going to take, and that's because we don't know enough about the obstacles that we may encounter going forward.
01:16:33.000But at the moment we can describe in quite a lot of detail all the various types of damage that the body accumulates as side effects of its normal operation.
01:16:43.000Molecular and cellular changes throughout life that start even before we're born and that are initially harmless, just in the same way that it's okay to have a little bit of garbage in your house, but that eventually when they get too abundant they start to cause real damage.
01:16:58.000So we need to repair those various types of damage.
01:17:04.000And since we can already describe what those types of change are, we can look quite closely at how we might get rid of them.
01:17:13.000And my reason for optimism is that we can describe, not just in general terms, but in a lot of detail, exactly what we need to do, and in some cases we're pretty close to already being able to do it, to reverse those various changes.
01:17:27.000I mean, continue, give me some examples of what we currently know that is working.
01:17:33.000So one very well-known area of biomedical research is, of course, stem cell research.
01:17:39.000And here I don't just mean embryonic stem cell research, I mean stem cell research in general.
01:17:43.000Yeah, it's in the female breast, it's in fat, yeah.
01:17:46.000Yeah, stem cells come from a lot of places, that's right.
01:17:48.000And we're getting pretty good at manipulating cells so that they are the right sort of stem cell.
01:17:54.000Now the reason why stem cells are important is because one of the changes that happen throughout life is that in some of our tissues, especially some parts of the brain and also the heart and one or two other places, cells die and they are not naturally replaced by the division of other cells.
01:18:12.000So we have to help the body out by putting in new cells ourselves by medical treatment so as to maintain these various tissues.
01:18:20.000Well that's just like if somebody, and they've seen some success, you probably know about all the hundreds of studies, but You know, with somebody with Parkinson's, you know, putting brain cells, and they can now culture these, in there, and then the body is absorbing them and using them.
01:18:35.000Parkinson's disease turns out to be one of the easier applications of stem cell therapies because the part of the brain where the cells die is a very well-defined, localized one.
01:18:48.000Okay, so then... But what's amazing is the brain is actually using the new cells.
01:18:57.000And the reason why these things aren't so hard as they might look...
01:19:00.000It's because the information that the cells need in order to know what to do when you put them into the brain is already encoded in those cells.
01:19:10.000So long as they are more or less in the right state, they will take cues from their environment in just the same way, really, as the cells did when the brain was being built in the first place.
01:19:19.000It's like the rest of the brain is a drill sergeant that tells them line up?
01:19:23.000Well, to an approximation, yes, that's right.
01:19:26.000Just simplification here, because this is complex stuff.
01:19:28.000We'll be right back with our guest over this quick break.
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01:23:49.000All right, we're going to talk about we're going to talk about some of the genetic manipulations going on, some of the injection
01:24:13.000of stem cells, currently the treatments, and then what the research and some of the advanced stuff that's on the horizon that's being developed.
01:24:23.000And then we'll talk about the social ramifications and even have some time near the end of this hour to take some calls with our guest at 1.0.
01:24:33.000Going back to Dr. Aubrey de Grey, please continue.
01:24:37.000Okay, so one other area that's very, very important to combating aging and that is really moving forward very nicely is in the combating of one aspect of Alzheimer's disease.
01:24:50.000So Alzheimer's disease, as you may know, is a very complicated phenomenon in which, first of all, you have got cell death, very much like in Parkinson's disease, but more distributed around the brain.
01:24:58.000But also, you've got the accumulation of various types of indigestible molecule inside the neurons and outside the neurons.
01:25:04.000And the stuff that accumulates outside the neurons, which is called phenol plaques, is believed by a lot of people to be a really major player in the progression of Alzheimer's disease.
01:25:13.000So about 10 years ago, a trick was found in mice such that you could actually vaccinate against this stuff.
01:25:20.000You could get certain cells in the brain called microglia to essentially swallow these chunks of material that were sitting around in the spaces between cells, and they would be able to destroy it once it was inside the cells.
01:25:32.000So that treatment was so effective in mice that it's already moved to clinical trials, from the clinical trial are going very well.
01:25:39.000The Phase 3 clinical trials, the final stage, have just begun.
01:25:46.000Other areas, other things that are being developed?
01:25:48.000Well, the ones I've mentioned so far are probably the ones that are furthest along.
01:25:52.000If we look at things that are not quite so far along but are still going pretty nicely, one example is The accumulation of really, really difficult to break down things that are inside cells already.
01:26:05.000For example, various molecules similar to cholesterol that are inside cells in the wall of our arteries.
01:26:13.000Cholesterol itself is not really a harmful molecule because our cells know how to deal with it, but it gets spontaneously modified into forms that our cells don't know how to deal with.
01:26:24.000Those forms accumulate and eventually stop the cells in our artery walls from working and that's where an atherosclerotic block comes from, that's where heart disease and heart attacks and strokes come from.
01:26:35.000So there's progress going on at the moment, actually a lot of it funded by my foundation that is looking to identify bacteria in the soil that can break down these things and then to identify the genes that they have that allow them to break down these things.
01:26:51.000The idea here is that when we find those genes, we can modify them in some fairly obvious ways and introduce them into our own cells so as to give them a greater versatility in the range of things that they can break down.
01:27:03.000It will take quite a long time to get it to work, but when it does work, it will be by far the most effective way to address heart disease and also various other things like macular degeneration, for example, far more effective than anything we have today.
01:27:18.000Now that's just one body of science, isn't it, that fits in as a unit into the larger plan that you've devised?
01:27:27.000So I normally describe the range of things that need to be developed and done as breaking down into seven different categories.
01:27:34.000And so I just mentioned that atherosclerosis and macular degeneration are both within one category.
01:27:41.000That's because the general approach to fixing those two problems is broadly similar.
01:27:46.000It's not exactly similar, we have to find different enzymes to break down different target compounds, but the general approach to finding those enzymes is more or less the same.
01:27:56.000Now, guesstimation, how far along are we until somebody who's, say, 50 years old can live comfortably to 150, or are you saying we're already at that point?
01:28:11.000I think that we have a 50% chance of developing the technologies I'm talking about here within about 25 or 30 years.
01:28:19.000And the technologies we have at that point should, in my view, be sufficient that we can take someone who's, let's say, 60 years old at that point, in other words, let's say 30 years old now, and give them an extra 30 or so years of healthy life.
01:28:34.000In other words, essentially rejuvenate them, not completely, not totally comprehensively back to a 20 year old, for example, but maybe back to the age of 40, the biological age of 40, such that they'll be maybe 90 years old before they get back to being biologically 60.
01:28:50.000And during that time, those 30 years, the therapies will have been improved in terms of their comprehensiveness, so that we can apply them again, the improved therapies, to the same people who are now 90.
01:29:01.000and we rejuvenate them back to, let's say, biologically 30 and so on.
01:29:05.000Well, you know, I am a Christian, and I'm proud of my faith, but I don't like the quacks and kooks that take it and do a lot of weird things with her, even other groups, saying that even trying to extend life is impossible.
01:29:16.000Same folks that said we never fly, you know, that we never have airplanes, we never have computers.
01:29:21.000I don't know how religiously it got to become a dogma that life extension doesn't exist or is a lie or is of the devil.
01:29:30.000So I wanted to kind of get into the social ramifications of this on the other side.
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01:33:31.000Then that gets into the whole transhumanist, posthumanist discussion.
01:33:36.000And I think a lot of what you're talking about borders into that, but you're talking about the admitted technologies that can extend that are being developed.
01:33:44.000But what about people who have trouble dealing with this?
01:33:48.000In my last film I quote futurists, saying we'll have world government and we can't let the general public have this stuff and we're going to get rid of them.
01:34:00.000That's in Wired Magazine, Kurzweil's talking about it.
01:34:03.000This is all being discussed And how only the rich are going to be able to have it and the suicide nihilists will basically turn into spaceships and fly off the planet and blow us up.
01:34:14.000These guys sound nuts and they're getting huge prizes and money and they're inventing computer technology and they're billionaires so people tend to listen to Bill Joy and others.
01:34:23.000I mean, he's a good guy, you know, saying he goes to meetings with 200 elitists and they're talking about all this.
01:34:28.000So certainly there's a science fiction element to it, but what was science fiction 50 years ago is reality today in so many cases.
01:34:35.000So my point is, how do you weigh the extremists on one end who are running around saying, we're going to live forever next week, with the people that say it's of the devil to even have a pacemaker?
01:34:47.000It's much easier than you would think, actually.
01:34:50.000Because ultimately, all of what I'm talking about revolves around alleviating the suffering that most of us have to look forward to when we get older.
01:34:59.000And that's an awful lot of suffering, as we all know.
01:35:01.000If we find really comprehensive treatments to all of the various things that go wrong with our bodies in later life, then people are going to welcome those things.
01:35:10.000And it just happens that there's going to be this side effect that we won't tend to You know, to die in our sleep anymore.
01:35:18.000We will tend to wake up the following morning, and the morning after that, and the morning after that.
01:35:22.000But it should be regarded as a side benefit, not as the main goal, to live longer for the sake of living longer.
01:35:27.000And I think when you talk about it and you think about it that way, the idea that there might be any religious objection to it becomes a good deal, you know, harder to defend.
01:35:42.000I mean, I've just had other guests on like yourself.
01:35:44.000I've mentioned this in a film, and I've gotten criticism saying I'm basically a devil for even talking about it.
01:35:49.000But I mean, how could you not talk about it?
01:35:50.000I mean, I remember when I had great-grandparents and grandparents dying when I was a kid.
01:35:54.000I thought, man, I don't want to watch my parents die.
01:35:57.000That's when I, very young, began to think about not even that I was going to get old or die myself, Exactly, and they probably didn't want to die either.
01:36:04.000forever, you have that bulletproof attitude, but I don't want these people I love to die.
01:36:09.000So, I mean, I don't think it's evil to discuss these things.
01:36:13.000Exactly, and they probably didn't want to die either.
01:36:15.000Even people who are getting quite frail and sick probably don't want to die immediately, and certainly people who are youthful mostly don't seem to want to die anytime soon.
01:36:23.000And the question, therefore, is how do we arrange to maximize the ability of people to live as long as they want to and to stay healthy as long as they want to?
01:36:34.000It seems to me that the message from scripture is very clear there, for example, that we're supposed to do our best to alleviate suffering and to save lives.
01:36:43.000Well, I certainly have a good point there.
01:36:45.000Ending lives is in any way different from saving lives because ultimately we agree that old people are people too.
01:36:50.000And so if we reject ageism, then we have to agree that things that kill old people are just as bad as things that kill young people.
01:36:59.000Well, I certainly have a good point there.
01:37:02.000My whole concern is that these systems to extend our lives are leaning towards the cybernetic merging with all the genetic engineers, kind of like the whole, well, there's the whole replicant view of Blade Runner where it's pure biological, designed there's the whole replicant view of Blade Runner where it's pure biological, designed by machines and humans versus the And I just see it leaning more and more towards the cybernetic.
01:37:30.000And then even on the genetic, I mean, really, once you get into machines and genetics, it's pretty, at least from my novice view, similar in that it's all just programming and, And setting things up so as we begin to play God, I see this erasing A lot of what we were.
01:37:48.000Now the transhumanists say that that will actually make us something more human than human.
01:37:55.000Yeah, I think that it is important not to be too scared about the future decisions that humanity will make sequentially in determining whether to adopt certain opportunities for progress.
01:38:10.000Because after all, there are plenty of times when we choose not to.
01:38:12.000For example, we had a very rapid and successful and enthusiastic advance with regard to powered flight during the first two-thirds or so of the last century.
01:38:25.000Why do we not have our flying cars now?
01:38:27.000The answer is not because we couldn't, but because we couldn't be bothered.
01:38:30.000You know, there wasn't enough pressure for them.
01:38:32.000And similarly, these biomedical advances that may have the opportunity to merge with non-biological advances, Well, I happen to love humanity and my heritage and my ancestors and God's creation.
01:38:53.000I mean, I don't want to fundamentally... I'm all for pacemakers, I'm all for somebody having seizures to have a chip put in there.
01:39:01.000The problem is, every time I turn around, I mean, there's a big controversy right now, England, the US, they take babies' blood, they put it in a DNA database, and now they want to use it for law enforcement, and they don't tell the soccer moms down the street that this is going on.
01:39:16.000We have the eugenics, we have the former head of the Cold Springs Harbor, back when it was a eugenics operation, basically saying blacks are inferior.
01:39:24.000I mean, we have such a, the bedrock of what is the modern intelligentsia was built on this elitism, and you can say long-term everybody's going to demand these technologies for themselves, But in reality, with resources, and the elite tend to do this even when there are enough resources, they like to control the resources as a mode of domination.
01:39:46.000And down every avenue I see, I see the haves and the have-nots.
01:39:50.000I mean, oh, I'm rich, I don't get cancer.
01:39:53.000I was genetically engineered, but you're a poor person, you're going to get cancer.
01:39:59.000I think there's a good answer to that, a very persuasive answer to that prospect, and the reason why we don't need to be worrying about it, which is simply that the reason why we see inequality of access to important things at the moment is because there is not enough desire on the part of the general public, the less wealthy people, to actually get those things.
01:40:20.000If we look at things that really are very important to everybody, then they are available when the ability to pay is found.
01:40:27.000Like, for example, basic education is available for free in every country in the Western world.
01:40:33.000And the reason it's free is because there's a general agreement among the population that it's important enough that it ought to be free.
01:40:41.000I think at the moment, the medical treatments that we have just aren't effective enough and therefore aren't important enough to drive that sense of I mean, everything's growing exponentially.
01:40:55.000I think sooner than 30 years, a lot of things you're talking about are going to start happening.
01:40:59.000Mexican Attorney General, four years ago, made a bunch of his employees taking plantable chips.
01:41:05.000I've had police chiefs on from the U.S.
01:41:06.000saying they would forcibly inject us with chips because it's for our own good.
01:41:10.000Bars make you have it to go into the topless section.
01:41:13.000I really can't see us chaining people down and rejuvenating them by force.
01:41:16.000And so that's the problem I see is that things like this are going to be forced on people, and it's going to be sold as a medical treatment.
01:41:40.000See, but I'm not talking about your, I don't want to say narrow, it's a very wide area, but comparatively it's narrow.
01:41:46.000I'm not talking about what you're doing or how you see this ship you're captaining, where it's going, your vision, which I think has a lot of reality to it, I mean, from my own layman's perspective.
01:41:59.000A lot of the other genetic engineer people, a lot of the other people in biology, a lot of the other people and they are really a bunch of freaks and I'm sure you know about a lot of your colleagues.
01:42:11.000I mean a lot of them are eugenicists, crypto eugenicists, population reduction enthusiasts.
01:42:16.000It sounds pretty much like enslavement to me, but I haven't thought about it or studied it at all.
01:42:20.000I mean, I've got CBS news pieces where they're saying they're going to put chips in the prisoners' brains soon and rehabilitate them with programming.
01:42:45.000I'm just saying, just like we don't have a big debate about life extension, which we should have because it'll make people desire it, and then we will get it.
01:42:53.000Well, at the same time, we need a bigger debate about this to make sure it's developed in the right direction instead of being used for bad.
01:43:28.000And I think a large part of why we're slow is apathy that we don't think most of us don't think we can do anything.
01:43:34.000And that's, of course, true at the level of democratic influence over what the state does in a whole range of ways.
01:43:43.000So I would say that any progress that we may make in addressing and confronting our oldest Our oldest foe, namely aging, may actually have a certain amount of role in empowering us, so to speak, and making us aim a bit higher in terms of our ability to control other things and to make sure that technology is used for the good.
01:44:06.000I see the general public completely drunk on entertainment, totally tuning out of reality, the elite providing them, and it also makes money in the free market, with new forms of wirehead type cyberpunk distractions, literally a acquiescence, a self-insertion into a matrix.
01:44:26.000I really see it inexorably leading it towards that.
01:44:34.000And I think that apathy may actually be very strongly diminished once we start to make breakthroughs against this thing that we're all so scared of.
01:44:42.000Well, I want to take some phone calls to get different angles and perspectives from listeners at 1-800-259-9231.
01:45:10.000Dr. DeGray, I was studying this subject probably a little over a year ago, and I was wondering, is cellular degeneration, is it still being linked to something like oxidation?
01:45:27.000Oxidation is a damaging... it's a term that covers a wide range of damaging chemical reactions.
01:45:34.000Unfortunately, it also covers a wide range of important and very desirable chemical reactions.
01:45:39.000And a large part of the reason why the early attempts to try to control and postpone aging by diminishing the level of oxidation reactions and the level of the product of those reactions is because of the side effects, because one was diminishing the things that we wanted to have as well as the things we didn't want to have.
01:45:57.000So, that's actually one of the sorts of data that led me to the approach that I tend to follow with regard to combating aging, namely to target specifically the undesirable products of things like oxidation rather than targeting the process itself.
01:46:13.000It tends to be a good deal more capable of avoiding those sorts of side effects.
01:46:21.000Alright, so the idea that telomere shortening is the dominant influence on the rate of aging is the number one urban myth about aging.
01:46:30.000Telomere shortening may have something to do with aging of some very limited tissues and it certainly appears to have a role as a sort of ancillary side effect of certain other disease states.
01:46:43.000But in general, the cells that we have that need to divide a lot more than they could in cell culture, they're able to do so because they express a sufficient amount of this enzyme called telomerase that compensates for the telomere shortening that happens when a cell divides.
01:47:00.000So the cells in which one observes this thing called the Hayflick limit, this finite amount of ability to divide, are cells that, when they're in the body, just don't need to divide very often.
01:47:12.000Well, as far as the ethics angle on this, I think if we maintain our honorable intentions behind it, I think it's a very good technology, but a lot of the socio-political issues They're going around today, have to be fixed before we actually get into the meat of this thing, I think.
01:47:32.000And so the question is, what do we do?
01:47:34.000Do we say, let's slow down the development of the technology until we're satisfied that we know what the first logical solutions are going to be?
01:47:41.000Or should we go and develop the technology as soon as possible, but also, and parallel, do our best to come up with a forward plan in terms of the first logical implication?
01:47:50.000I think that second approach is the best way to go, because ultimately every day we delay, we are condemning another 100,000 people to an unnecessarily early death, and that's pretty bad.
01:47:59.000But again, you're wanting to give everybody more life.
01:48:03.000Now, commerce is the goal of the Tyrell Corporation, that's the line from Blade Runner.
01:48:08.000But at the same time, so many of the elite think tanks and powerful organs think there's too many people and have an absolute disgust for humanity, and all they talk about is culling the herd, as Prince Philip likes to do.
01:48:24.000Well, all I can say is that if there are people who want to reduce the size of the human population, they don't seem to be doing very well.
01:48:32.000Well, they have reduced the growth mightily in China and Africa and other places.
01:48:36.000I think most of the reduction of growth has happened voluntarily.
01:48:39.000Certainly China is an exception, but in every other country around the world in which there has been a sharp decline in the number of children that the average woman is having.
01:48:46.000Well, I don't think infertility is voluntary.
01:48:49.000I don't think the infertility numbers are voluntary.
01:48:52.000Doctor, have you looked at any data that deals with life and fertility and things?
01:48:56.000Ed Weiber sings of massive infertility in women and sperm count numbers plunging in western males.
01:49:03.000The situation with male fertility I'm not talking about at all.
01:49:06.000I'm talking about the choices that women are making to have fewer children than they used to and to have them later.
01:49:11.000And my understanding of the data is very much that the overwhelming majority of the decline in fertility that's being seen is voluntary, though of course there is a small increase in female infertility as well.
01:49:23.000And that could be due to sociological pressures as well.
01:49:26.000You have these hypochondriacs that think they're sick and make themselves physically sick.
01:49:50.000Yeah, certainly for men there's plenty going on, and there's a lot that's not known about how it's going on.
01:49:55.000But of course, the technologies that I'm talking about, among the applications of those technologies will be technologies that can restore fertility by making, for example, testicular stem cells work better.
01:50:08.000I understand, that's amazing, and that certainly is something that's important.
01:50:12.000And can certainly help a lot of people.
01:50:13.000We'll be right back in this next segment with a couple more segments with Aubrey de Grey, Dr. Aubrey de Grey.
01:50:19.000And we will also continue with your phone calls, Ted, Harry, and others that are patiently holding.
01:50:25.000I've got some really serious questions I'm going to be getting to on the other side for our guest.
01:50:31.000And as I said, we'll continue to take your calls.
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01:53:49.000Cyrus Jones from 1810 to 1930 made his great-grandchildren believe you could live to 103.
01:55:30.000Yeah, pocket full of posies, ashes to ashes, we all fall down, grave digger.
01:55:39.000Going back to our guest, apropos, I didn't even know that Bummer Music was coming up, it randomly plays, Aubrey de Grey, talking about life extension technologies, what about accidents?
01:55:49.000In the future, if people are living to 150 years old, will they become accident-obsessed?
01:55:54.000Because statistically, the most dangerous thing is automobile accidents or electrocution or grounding.
01:56:00.000I mean, will we become a society basically encased in styrofoam so as to not be hurt?
01:56:07.000Or will we have robot nannies that take care of us?
01:56:10.000I think we will take much more care not to expose ourselves to risks.
01:56:15.000But I think obsessed may be too strong a word.
01:56:19.000I think one consequence of an increased quality and quantity of life will be that we place a higher value on life, and I think that's going to make the world a much less violent place, because people just will take other people's lives more seriously, same as they take their own more seriously.
01:56:34.000But, with regard to accidental death, I think there are going to be lots of ways in which we just throw money at the problem.
01:56:42.000For example, with regard to automobile accidents, we already have, in the military, plenty of technology available that can involve, you know, very sophisticated sensors to invoke automatic overrides in the case of human error, whether on the part of the driver or a pedestrian, for example.
01:56:59.000It's just that those technologies are really expensive, so nobody puts them into your average automobile.
01:57:11.000Because by the time we get these life extension technologies and can basically keep postponing death almost indefinitely, barring hyperactive super viruses that come out of nowhere or meteors hitting us or jet airplane crashes and everything, I mean, there'll always be something that'll have a fix for that, but it's a practice on ourselves, you know, perfecting it.
01:57:31.000How do you deal with the artificially intelligent computer taking over?
01:57:36.000Well, I sometimes feel that computers have already taken over my life.
01:57:39.000I seem to spend my entire day sitting at one.
01:57:42.000But, no, seriously, I think that so long as it's gradual, so long as we make our own choices with regard to how much we get computers to do for us, and we know that we're making those choices and that we can always reverse them, I don't really see a big problem with it.
01:57:57.000But we've already got computers, pretty much designing computers, and no one person knows how the whole computer works.
01:58:03.000You've got all these expert eggheads who are geniuses and have trouble understanding it.
01:58:07.000I mean, we're already getting there where the computers are going to take total control.
01:58:11.000Even if they're not AI and evil like the Terminator, it's just that they'll just start making decisions.
01:58:18.000It is important not to let the whole thing go out of control, and some of my good friends actually are working on precisely that problem on the design of computers.
01:58:24.000Oh, I want to hear a little bit about that.
02:00:22.000I spoke to you a couple weeks ago about the swimming pool water.
02:00:27.000And I originally called to suggest that eliminating chlorine in tap water, drinking chlorinated tap water might produce some life extension.
02:00:37.000And as I researched the article that you asked me to do, I found that they've begun replacing chlorine with chloramines, Which is a far more dangerous oxidizer and chemical, and I was wondering if Dr. DeGray knew anything about that.
02:00:57.000The cocktail of toxic waste in our water.
02:01:00.000I brought up toxins last week with him and he said that wasn't as big a problem, but from all the studies I've seen, I mean massive increases in cancers, you name it, with all the stuff they're adding, the stuff we're breathing, the mercury from the coal plants.
02:01:15.000Yeah, I don't want to belittle these things.
02:01:17.000These things are certainly things that we need to worry about and we need to try to prevent.
02:01:22.000However, we have to remember, we have to keep a sense of proportion about it if we're talking about life extension and the postponement of age-related disease, because we know that Ted, did you send me that story you put together?
02:01:33.000continuing to increase despite the increase in all of these pollutants and so on.
02:01:37.000And, you know, that's the simplest form of evidence that says that the main determinant of how long we live is not what we take in in terms of pollutants, but rather what's going on intrinsically in our bodies as a side effect of our normal metabolism.
02:01:50.000Ted, did you send me that story you put together?
02:02:15.000It's great to talk to you and your guest.
02:02:17.000I'd like to ask him about what he thinks about the patenting.
02:02:21.000Like Geron patented the telomerase gene.
02:02:24.000What does he think about the patenting and how the investments Well, the tremendous investment leads to a rush to market like it did with the plant genetics.
02:02:34.000I don't have any real fears in that area.
02:02:37.000I think the market will look after itself in regard to all of this.
02:02:40.000And I think one of the main reasons for not being scared is that the therapies that are going to be necessary in order to comprehensively postpone aging will have many, many different components.
02:02:51.000Each of which will have been developed by different people, and these patents will be owned by different people.
02:02:55.000So there will be a requirement to have a great deal of collaboration and business common sense, shall we say, in order to... Well, let me throw this out, though, Doc, and I understand you're real positive about all this, and I'm not saying it doesn't have a positive sign.
02:03:07.000It's one thing if it's for humans, and we know a lot of bad drugs and things do get on the market, but I agree there's more focus on that than, say, GMO crops.
02:03:14.000But there's total evidence of GMO crops, the ones that have been heavily altered, causing all sorts of problems.
02:03:21.000And so I don't have confidence that there's not going to be all sorts of disasters.
02:03:26.000It's certainly important to regulate the experimental testing of things that are used on all of the living world, absolutely, because the knock-on effects can be very unpredictable.
02:03:38.000And I don't deny that there have been some cases, not just in the case of drugs applied to humans, in which things have been pushed forward too quickly.
02:03:52.000I was an early investor in plant genetic companies and it seems like mostly the wondrous things that they promised us, they've actually used most of the inventions towards evil, like putting more nicotine in the tobacco plants, may be able to use more chemicals on the plants.
02:04:10.000So there's a tremendous potential for this to be misused and in fact they forced the The people in our country to take it without any labeling.
02:04:19.000It's all in all our foods without any labeling.
02:04:21.000I'd like to hear his remarks about that.
02:04:31.000And this will be our final segment, Mr. DeGray.
02:04:32.000Then we're going to then go to Tibet with what's happening there with a guest as well on that subject.
02:04:37.000We'll be right back here on the GCN Radio Network, PrisonPlanet.com.
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02:08:46.000Boys, they We're already well into the third hour.
02:08:49.000I can hear someone knocking on the door There are voices in the street And the sound of running feet And they whispered Thank you for joining us today.
02:09:03.000We're already well into the third hour.
02:09:05.000And I appreciate Dr. Aubrey de Grey joining us, best-selling author, researcher, published scientist, computer engineer, biologist, and really interesting debates and discussions that we've had today.
02:09:21.000We have Urgentinzin, who is the director for the Tibetan Center for Human Rights and Democracy, to give us the inside scoop on what's going on there.
02:09:41.000Just finishing up that fellow's last question when he was talking about some of the unsavory things he witnessed as an investor.
02:09:48.000Yeah, I mean, I think this is certainly true, that some things are not always rolled out in the optimal way.
02:09:57.000But ultimately, let's remember, we do all live in a democracy.
02:10:00.000And our elected representatives are the people who control all this.
02:10:04.000Their ultimate goal is to get re-elected, and so it's really just a question of how much we care.
02:10:09.000If we want something to be done, then we can get it done.
02:10:13.000Well, Dr. DeGray, I hope in the next six months or so we can have you back up to get more in-depth in all of this, and I really appreciate your time.
02:10:19.000Fire out the name of the new book and the website.
02:10:22.000The name of the new book is Ending Aging, and the website is mfoundation.org.
02:10:31.000Okay, we do have Mr. Timzin on the line.
02:10:37.000Fantastic, getting him lined up there from India.
02:10:41.000And he's the director of the Tibetan Center for Human Rights and Democracy.
02:10:45.000We have reports of the Chinese paramilitary police.
02:10:49.000Parading people on the backs of flatbed cars all over different cities in Tibet.
02:10:55.000The Reuters is reporting that the rebellion against the tyranny has spread.
02:10:59.000We're now seeing neocon propaganda demonizing Tibet and trying to either make stuff up about the Tibetans or exaggerate things.
02:11:10.000They're certainly not perfect, no one is, compared to the communist Chinese.
02:11:14.000They hadn't killed 60 million of their own people, I know that.
02:11:17.000Penn and Teller attacking them, the list goes on and on.
02:11:19.000I'm basically saying, a lot of our media is saying China's good.
02:11:23.000And boy, that's not just a 180 from our government supporting the Tibetans, who have obviously been invaded, enslaved, and mass-murdered, and their women forced to marry Chinese.
02:12:17.000Now the situation inside Tibet is very tense, and it's worsening day by day.
02:12:22.000And according to our informed sources, now the Chinese have already started house-by-house raids in the cities of Lhasa before the deadline given by the Chinese.
02:12:37.000So now in the Lhasa streets you can see only military tranks rolled, and people are afraid to come outside.
02:12:45.000Uh, or effort to speak with outside people, you know, and we have also got information that more than 1,000 Tibetans have been arrested and more than 23 people, uh, uh, more than 70 people have been killed, you know, and 23 people have already been shot dead by the Chinese in one incident, you know, so it's very unfortunate and Chinese, they are continuing with the repressive action, uh, against the peaceful Tibetan demonstrators in Tibet.
02:13:15.000Have you seen the reports in the western media?
02:13:50.000There are so many Western media giving information from Tibet, you know, but the Chinese, they have now already started sending back Western reporters, you know, out of Tibet.
02:14:05.000We've got press reports about the rebellion by the Tibetans spreading all over the country.
02:14:14.000Yeah, the demonstration in Tibet is now taking place all over Tibet.
02:14:20.000It's outside the Tibet Autonomous Region also.
02:14:24.000So the demonstration is taking place in all parts of Tibet.
02:14:32.000Can you go through any details that you've gotten from your sources inside Tibet that we haven't seen on the news?
02:14:43.000You see, the demonstration has first started on 10th March, commemorating with the 49th anniversary of Tibetan National Uprising Day.
02:14:55.000On 10th March, you know, the Tibetan monks in the Devong Monastery and Ganden Monastery, they have initiated the demonstration, and simultaneously took place in other places, like Napa County in the Kriti Monastery and other regions also.
02:15:16.000So it almost took part in all the other regions, you know.
02:15:26.000You know, the Tibetan monks, Tibetan nuns, and then Tibetan students and Tibetan nomads, you know, and all the ordinary peoples, almost all Tibetan diaspora, they have raised against the Chinese rule inside Tibet.
02:15:43.000Well, let's be clear, this all started after 50 plus years of bombings and attacks and arrests and secret police, and in the last few weeks going around and arresting
02:15:53.000uh... leaders of the opposition then people peacefully on the fifty-plus anniversary of a mass murder uh... as the press has reported peacefully demonstrating its chinese domination and that's when they attack the peaceful people the chinese military now the peaceful people are fighting back how are they beginning to physically fight back we are saying still some video burning buildings and things like that
02:16:23.000The Tibetan people, you know, they have started the demonstration peacefully.
02:16:27.000And, you know, the demonstration was in a number of... so many numbers, you know, like it was crossing 2,000, 5,000, 3,000, you know.
02:16:37.000So the Chinese armed police, you know, they tried to clamp down on the demonstrators and they cracked down, started beating them and just shooting guns in the...
02:16:51.000Yeah, you know, so that's why, you know, sometimes, you know, the cows, they got frustrated and they started throwing stones.
02:17:00.000They got tired of groveling to thugs and they decided to fight back.
02:17:06.000They got frustrated, you know, they are tired, you know, the military, they are beating like anything, you know.
02:17:13.000But bullies always push and push and push until you push back, don't they?
02:17:48.000Anything that I haven't asked you that people need to know?
02:17:51.000Yes, I want to let the people know that the situation inside Tibet is very tense, and now the Chinese government, they are kicking out all the foreign journalists out of Tibet.
02:18:07.000and now information is very hard to come from Tibet, you know.
02:18:11.000So we want to appeal to the world to give attention to the Tibetan issue and send your free media into the world, you know, because in Chinese, you know, there are billion people countries and they get only censored there are billion people countries and they get only censored information.
02:18:31.000Whatever the government information is given to them, they receive only that kind of information.
02:18:36.000So it's very important that there should be a freedom of press inside Tibet, you know, which is very important.
02:18:44.000And we appeal to all the peace-loving countries.
02:18:49.000The United Nations, you know, to send a fact-finding mission inside Tibet, you know, otherwise there is no other way to know the real situation inside Tibet.
02:19:00.000Are the Chinese letting the U... Are the Chinese Communists letting the UN in?
02:19:06.000Yes, they're trying to pressurize all the other countries, you know, because they are super-powered, economically very strong, you know.
02:19:15.000So they use, I mean, like, their power in the economic market and all, you know.
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02:25:16.000If peace-loving people or a country, they want to support the Tibetan cause, and they really want to know the Tibetan Uh, issue, you know, and to follow up this, what is going inside Tibet, you can visit our website, that is pchrd.org, and then you will get all the latest information about what is happening inside Tibet, you know.
02:25:40.000And at the time, we appeal to, uh, all, all our supporters, you know, who, who, who like, uh, love peace and, uh,
02:25:52.000To support us, you know, and appeal your government to pressurize China to send a tech-finding mission into Tibet, you know, and to restore the human rights of the Tibetan people, and please ask your government to send a free media inside Tibet.
02:26:29.000I think this has given ample indication of human rights violations inside Tibet.
02:26:36.000So I think now it has become very hard for The Chinese, you know, it has shown the world how the Chinese are dealing with the human rights violation inside Tibet.
02:26:48.000And all the participants, now they must rethink about participating in the Olympic Games, you know.
02:26:55.000So, until and unless China stops brutal action against the peaceful demonstrators, I think all other countries should reconsider of what they do in the future, you know.
02:27:48.000I don't follow what that country did or what they believed in, but they were statistically a pretty peaceful, prosperous, but also sparsely populated roof of the world, you know, on average about 12,000 feet.
02:28:08.000Uh, and they have this huge military just roll in after the Communists took over.
02:28:13.000And it's now been declassified that our government gave them the weapons.
02:28:17.000Our government gave the Communist Chinese the power.
02:28:19.000They actually blocked and sabotaged the Nationalists.
02:28:23.000And it is just, it is just despicable to see The way our country's changed, the way we've gone from supporting the Tibetans, at least on the surface, because they had to, meanwhile funding their enemies all day, to now just publicly, yeah, they deserve it.
02:28:47.000I've got about 50 news articles in front of me.
02:28:52.000And I'm going to come back and I'm just going to read the headline off each article and comment a little bit on it.
02:28:58.000I'm also going to get into your cable boxes watching you.
02:29:00.000Now, I know for our listeners that's old news, but now it's in the mainstream media.
02:29:05.000And they just hide incredible things in plain view.
02:29:08.000It's just all... I mean this sarcastically.
02:29:13.000I don't really believe this, but some people do.
02:29:15.000Maybe they'll just take their mask off and they'll all have lizard heads next week.
02:29:19.000I mean, you know, it's starting to get That weird.
02:29:24.000I mean, a huge flying saucer might land and pigs might walk off of it and Bush goes and shakes their hand and if you say it's weird, people will say you're crazy.
02:29:32.000I mean, you know, your cable box watching you isn't good, folks.
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02:34:39.000We've already covered what's happening in Tibet.
02:34:41.000We've got into live extension technologies.
02:34:43.000We've also had on the editor from the London Guardian, their financial editor, Talk about the possibility of coming depression and how our government and corporations engineered what's happening with the subprime mortgages in the first hour.
02:35:01.000You know, I'm not going to do rhyme or reason.
02:35:04.000I'm just going to borrow into the stack and I'm going to just cover it.
02:36:08.000And I see reports every day where they demand your thumb scan, face scan to go in, where they demand DNA samples.
02:36:16.000Where they demand to search you, and they are just doing this in mass.
02:36:23.000And they also set up these mobile vans that they make you walk into, walk through, that scan your body, basically with high-powered sound waves.
02:39:08.000The government just types in, they go right in.
02:39:10.000Most of the time they try to cover it up, but government people are in there stealing money out of accounts every day or giving it to their cousin who steals it.
02:39:35.000The women's prison, giant rape rooms, making videotape porno movies of torture films.
02:39:41.000They shut it down two years ago outside Austin.
02:39:44.000I can just talk about right where I live.
02:39:45.000Just total frothing criminals everywhere and then useful idiot morons working next to them who don't even know they're sitting next to the devil.
02:39:53.000It's just corruption gone to seed, gone to seed, gone to seed, gone to seed, gone to seed.
02:39:59.000It's like giving loans to people with no job and no credit.
02:40:02.000The whole system corrupt, blown, shot, fried.
02:40:08.000And a huge mass of cattle that still think we're in Mayberry, still think it's Leave it to Beaver, who still think everything's alright.
02:40:43.000Police put you in terror databases for videotaping or even talking in groups of bigger than three.
02:40:48.000Suddenly show up, you can be pot-bellied and, you know, look like you're 50 like I do, and they walk over and tell you, move along, they do it to other bitches, total secret police everywhere, feeding on everyone, control freaks, running around, most of the cops are foreigners, frothing and laughing and snicker giggling.
02:41:37.000It's a disgusting, disgusting, disgusting situation.
02:41:42.000Oh, you want me to do ten or fifteen shows, three hours long, just with experts on and all the admissions and news articles of state police, feds, CIA, DEA, all caught shipping in tractor-trailers of pure cocaine?
02:41:56.000You know why that's important, it's pure cocaine they always get caught shipping in?
02:42:15.000I mean, a local talk show host last week was saying, I just can't believe what the people say about Alex Jones, that the government ships the drugs in.
02:42:26.000I've been an officer for years, a local talk show host now, and that's not true.
02:42:32.000The head of the New York Stock Exchange, Richard Grasso, went to the FARC publicly in front of news reporters and said, invest your drug money with us, and under federal law, They are authorized to.
02:42:44.000Oh yeah, drug dealing's legal at the international and banking level.
02:42:52.000Because they had to breed a force of federalized local police, because the feds give them the grant money, to kick down doors and drag people out.
02:43:47.000And the Chicago Tribune said, well, how are you doing that?
02:43:51.000Everybody called me, Alex, you're right, you're right.
02:43:53.000You said TiVo tracks what we watch and what we do and creates psychological databases on us.
02:43:59.000And I said, well, you think I just make that up?
02:44:01.000Then I told you, because they put a press release out, boy, big detective work on my part, that they're using the audio and cameras in your computers.
02:44:09.000Multiple companies, by the way, are doing it.
02:44:11.000But Google made the announcement to watch you.
02:44:58.000Gerard Kunkel, Comcast Senior VP of User Experience, told me that the cable company is experimenting with different camera technologies built into devices so it can know who is in your living room.
02:45:13.000The idea being that if you turn off your cable box, it recognizes you and pulls up shows already in your profile or makes recommendations.
02:45:23.000It goes into how they watch you and track you.
02:45:25.000If parents are watching TV with children, for example, parental controls could appear to block certain content from appearing on the screen.
02:45:34.000It's like Toyota says in a few years they're going to have an infrared camera, and if there's a pressure sensor in the seat and it's hot, it goes ahead and calls the police through the cell phone in your navigation system.
02:45:45.000Sounds good, but see, then they just dial in and watch.
02:45:49.000I mean, folks, you want your cable box making parental controls and then, by the way, calling CPS if it sees a child in the room and you let them watch an R-rated movie?
02:45:59.000And believe me, you will see that happen within three years.
02:46:16.000I can't believe I have to even say it's George Orwell to have cameras watching.
02:46:21.000And it says it's going to watch you and make sure you're good.
02:46:22.000And there's people right now going, good, I like that, that's freedom, that's freedom.
02:46:29.000The idea is being that if you turn your cable box on, it recognizes you and pulls up shows already in your profile or makes recommendations.
02:46:35.000If parents are watching TV with their children, for example, parental controls could appear to block certain content from appearing on the screen.
02:46:42.000Conkle also said the type of monitoring is the holy grail because it could help serve up specially tailored ads.
02:46:51.000See, because I went and read the research papers on it.
02:46:56.000And most people don't know why you live in Austin and you're on a Malaysian website or a Japanese website or a German website and it's popping up with Austin Singles ads.
02:47:11.000It might even say, you know, you're a thirty-something year old male.
02:47:29.000I mean, remember, first hour, I covered the government takes all your baby's blood, now more mainstream news, and now it isn't just they keep it in a federal DNA database, now it goes to Homeland Security.
02:47:39.000Your child, your daughter, your son, at birth, is in Homeland Security.
02:47:48.000Do you even care enough so when you're in the hospital and they bring the form and say, it's mandated, you need to, and push it on you to say no?
02:47:54.000Perhaps I've seen enemy of the state too many times...
02:48:01.000Perhaps I'm just naive about the depths to which Comcast currently tracks my every move.
02:48:06.000I can't trust Comcast with BitTorrent.
02:48:08.000Yeah, they're already the ones censoring the web.
02:48:10.000So why should I trust them with my must-be-kept-secret DVR-clogging addition to keeping up with the... It must be some pop thing.
02:48:24.000Conko also spoke on camera with me about fixing bad Compass user experiences, the ongoing BitTorrent battle with VOD, but he mostly towed the corporate line on these issues, the monitoring your living room came up after my camera was put away.
02:48:44.000But you, you, well listen, we need to contact this writer, this is a big, big website, big TV review website, and say, hey, uh, would you like to go to Google's website?
02:49:20.000Is the ads Google is showing you or is it upsetting to you?
02:49:23.000You didn't know while you're sitting there watching pornography, masturbating, and that camera's built into the screen that the government's tuned in with AI computers recording that and filing it?
02:49:32.000Guaranteed going on with select subjects.
02:49:38.000And I'm sorry to have to get graphic here with you.
02:49:40.000This is our level of total patheticness.
02:49:47.000Now they're gearing up the camps and police and armed robots, which they had on the news yesterday again, and hovercrafts and poison water.
02:49:58.000They had to brainwash the cops and the public incrementally to accept this.
02:50:04.000One month the cops SWAT teaming and pulling a patriot out to go to a camp, but five years later you'll be dying of your accelerated cancer you were implanted with.
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02:54:40.000I want to run out in the street and tell people, they take your baby's blood at birth, Homeland Security, but they've been preconditioned, that's crazy.
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02:54:51.000I remember putting the article out and getting emails going, you're a liar, you're nuts, and the Dig comments, Alex is crazy.
02:54:57.000I had links to Google, I had their own quotes.
02:55:00.000It doesn't matter, they've been trained to be slaves!
02:55:04.000They put cancer viruses in you, everything, they're killing you!
02:55:08.000Doesn't matter, I got a badge and a gun, they may have implanted me with cancer, my kids may be drinking fluoride, at least I get to act tough.
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