Alex Jones is joined by Eva Orner and the Dixie chicks to talk about the Oscars, 9/11, the Bush administration, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and much more. Later in the show, we will have Paula Nelson on the show talking about her dad, Willie Nelson, and what it's like being a musician who speaks out politically.
00:00:53.000Just a couple nights ago, she got the Academy Award for Best Documentary, 2008, Taxi to the Dark Side, about rendition, secret arrest, and the torture camps.
00:01:08.000And in my goings and comings and travels, Eva Orner called me, I guess, about eight months ago and came with a documentary film crew, the same folks that made a lot of famous films.
00:02:47.000And then, of course, this weekend I saw a 9-11 blogger blurb from, it was actually from Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.
00:02:54.000One of their members was at an event and saw Willie Nelson's daughter, Paula Nelson, who's a great musician and singer in her own right, at an event and said, hey, do you agree with your dad's statement?
00:03:07.000She said, oh yeah, I agree with it, of course.
00:03:10.000And so I thought, why not just have her on?
00:03:13.000I thought about having her on a few weeks ago, but I thought, you know, I'll give the Nelsons a rest.
00:03:17.000We've had her dad on twice, but... Today, right now, we're going to get the Dixie Chicks on.
00:03:24.000We're going to get some other folks on as well, talk about the war, a lot of other issues we're lining up right now.
00:03:31.000Some other really big guests as well, but coming up later today, we will have Paula Nelson on the show, talk about her dad, her own career, What it's like being Willie Nelson's daughter, what it's like being a musician who speaks out politically to play some of her songs as well.
00:03:52.000That is coming up later in the show today on this Tuesday 26th of February 2008.
00:03:59.000six of february two thousand and eight in the meantime trader green span urges gulf states to abandon the dollar
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00:07:59.000Oscar-winning documentary filmmaker about torture exposing John Yoo and the neocons.
00:08:23.000eva orner will be joining us And, of course, Paula Nelson, one of the prominent children of Willie Nelson, a great musician and vocalist in her own right, joining us in the third hour today.
00:08:37.000Trader Greenspan Urges Gulf states to abandon the dollar.
00:08:42.000You know, that's quite a headline by Paul Watson up on PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com.
00:08:49.000It's an amazing headline, and that's actually what he said.
00:09:35.000But to have Greenspan come out and encourage Arabs to move away from the dollar, which will precipitate its downfall, is so they can fully wreck it, and then dollarize, is how they're going to term it, in the future, the North American, and then the entire Pan-American Western Hemisphere, And claim, oh, we had to reorganize the dollar and put it to an international peg to rebuild it, which is the trilateral plan for now more than 30 years.
00:11:05.000Alan Greenspan has again exposed himself as a trader working against the interest of the American people by urging Gulf States to abandon the dollar peg, a move that could result in financial chaos and an economic depression in the United States.
00:11:17.000The dollar peg Mandates Gulf nations to price their assets in U.S.
00:11:23.000monetary policy at a time when the Fed is cutting interest rates, a system that has produced a boom in oil revenue but led to high inflation as the dollar weakens.
00:11:34.000Well, if they move off the dollar peg, it'll only make the dollar weaken even more and will, quote, cost us more oil.
00:11:42.000You've got to love the mainstream media spin.
00:11:46.000It, this is a quote, it de-pegged it probably The most useful thing that can be done to stop the increasing influence of foreign assets on the monetary system, and therefore the monetary base, which is basically the major force in inflationary pressures, Greenspan told the Abu Dhabi Corporate Leadership Forum yesterday.
00:12:07.000This is all quoted out of the Financial Times of London, AP, everybody carried it.
00:12:13.000So he's saying, you know, oil's $100 a barrel because the dollar's been devalued And you guys are pricing oil in dollars.
00:12:22.000Well, just take it off of dollars and price it in euros or price it in a currency that's worth more per unit.
00:12:30.000Well, you'll still have just as expensive oil if they price it at the equivalent of 62 euros instead of 100 dollars.
00:12:41.000But if they do that, It'll actually just make the dollar even lose more favor and then lose more confidence and lose more value.
00:12:49.000And then we'll probably be paying $120 a barrel, which is what the elite wants.
00:12:52.000So Greenspan, this is like going to someone who's sick, who's got a toe chopped off and chopping their entire foot off.
00:13:03.000This is just basic monetary, basic economic information.
00:13:08.000But the general public Can't find the U.S.
00:14:00.000In the short term, free floating will not fully Disappoint inflationary pressure, though it would significantly do so.
00:14:12.000According to economist editor Paul Woodall, Greenspan's comments heralded the beginning of the end of the U.S.
00:14:17.000dollar as a currency of choice for foreign exchange reserves.
00:14:20.000In Asia, central banks hold today more than 80% of the global foreign exchange reserves, which indicate the shift of the global economy domination towards Asia.
00:14:30.000It seems quite awkward that the UAE still maintains the peg of its currency to the U.S.
00:15:28.000This is Greenspan literally trying to... The dollar is like a drowning man or drowning woman fighting to get air, struggling every minute or so to get one quick gulp of air and being pushed back under by the global architects of the financial infrastructure.
00:15:49.000And now the dollar's been underwater about four minutes Water's going into our lungs, we're starting to pass out, and we had one chance to get to the shore, get a gulp of air, get to shore, and Greenspan literally has basically taken a hammer and hit the drowning person on the head.
00:16:08.000I do not have words to explain how devastating this is, how evil.
00:16:14.000This is how over-the-top we will be completely financially destroyed.
00:16:22.000And by the way, every financial expert we've interviewed, even mainline analysts say that if the dollar plunges another 20% even, they're talking about more now.
00:16:42.000Anybody who wondered whether the central bankers And the big banks that are out there, you know, rating junk as AAA and selling securities and selling credit card debt, they bundle that and then sell it as some wonderful security when it's horrible debt, very dangerous, especially at this time in history, historically very bad investments.
00:17:15.000You've got 40-plus percent inflation in the last couple of years combined with people on fixed incomes in red-level crisis already.
00:17:22.000All of this is cascading now into businesses and companies in the service industry and into the automobile industry, manufacturing durable value-added goods.
00:17:35.000And Greenspan Well, I mean, he's been doing this now for the last year, coming out and bad-mouthing the dollar, coming out and saying bad things about the dollar, coming out and saying bad things about the economy.
00:17:48.000This is just... I'm actually dumbfounded right now.
00:18:12.000Greenspan's zeal to destroy the dollar is evident in numerous public statements he has made predicting the replacement of the dollar with the euro as the world reserve currency.
00:18:21.000The former Fed chairman has repeatedly bad-mouthed the dollar and hyped the inevitability of economic chaos at a time when market confidence is in the toilet.
00:18:32.000Greenspan's rhetoric matches that of the IMF, who in October of last year brazenly slammed the dollar as an overvalue at the same time the greenback hit its all-time low against the euro.
00:18:44.000A decision on behalf of the Gulf states to abandon the dollar peg would have disastrous consequences for the greenback and the American economy.
00:18:51.000Such a move could lead the likes of the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia To diversify their foreign exchange holdings out of dollars.
00:19:00.000This would amount to a vote of no confidence in the dollar and may cause other countries with large dollar reserves, may cause, it's already happening, such as China and Japan to follow suit and begin dumping the green back in mass.
00:19:17.000And the public is so ignorant and so ill-informed that you watch, you're going to be at the Church, or golf course, or the mall, or family.
00:19:28.000When we're in a depression, hearing them tell you about how Greenspan's working to save us.
00:19:33.000They just need to be slapped upside the head.
00:19:43.000I'm sorry to have to bring you news like this.
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00:24:21.000I'd just like to thank Alex Gibney, actually, for taking such a chance and being so brave to make this film at a time when people said this film should not be made.
00:24:27.000I'm incredibly proud and honoured to be here as only one of two Australians nominated this year.
00:24:34.000And I'd actually like to take the time to thank all the participants in the film and all the servicemen who risked a lot by coming to New York and telling their story after they'd already had such a hard time with this current administration's policies.
00:24:48.000It was really brave of them and hopefully people will watch the film and think things should change.
00:24:55.000Quite some time I've been sitting it out Didn't take no chance I was a prisoner of doubt Knocked down the waiting wall Made no scene Got the feet of fall, yeah
00:25:24.000Deal me in Coming straight on for you That's right, all enemies of liberty.
00:25:36.000We're coming straight on, straight on.
00:25:38.000It goes for all my enemies here locally.
00:25:43.000We're coming straight on, straight on.
00:25:55.000Now I know I got to play my hand But the winner don't know the gambler understand My heart is a-playin' it through And
00:26:16.000you, my friend I'll take my chances on you Again and again, again Coming straight on for you You made my mind Now I'm strong, now I'm coming to you That's right, now I'm strong.
00:26:50.000That goes for Alan Greenspan, all of them.
00:26:55.000All the criminals in government, from our mayor, to the New World Order, you, the American people, people of this planet, are coming straight on!
00:28:06.000Let's start thinking about what's going to happen when we defeat these people.
00:28:11.000Because I'm going to tell you right now, ladies and gentlemen, if you give in to fear and you think about what the New World Order might do to you if they win, you've already lost.
00:28:22.000You've got to think about the bigger cost.
00:28:25.000Ladies and gentlemen, understand that it's only us that stand between all the innocents out there.
00:28:31.000The New World Order is Literally feeding on and abusing and destroying.
00:28:37.000So get past your fear and look at the bigger cost.
00:28:41.000Think about the larger picture of humanity and society and where we're going.
00:28:47.000Yeah, that film calling for socialized health care lost, but the film exposing the bloodthirsty torture and macabre activities and the orders from Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzalez, John Yoo, That's now been exposed.
00:29:05.000You know it's going to be on HBO now, and it's going to be all over the place, and in your local video store, and people are going to find out the truth, how they took innocent people and murdered them, tortured them to death.
00:29:21.000Now is the time, ladies and gentlemen, to throw caution to the wind, and to take action, to commit fully, And then it doesn't matter anymore.
00:29:36.000Because you're committed, and you're coming straight on.
00:29:39.000We'll be right back with Academy Award winner, Eva Orner.
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00:36:11.000It's lovely to be on your show as a guest.
00:36:15.000Yeah, it's been a pretty great week so far, what can I say?
00:36:19.000What was it like to be, I mean we're talking about the film of course, but to be nominated and then to win when they said Eva Orner and Taxi to the Dark Side?
00:36:30.000We were so hoping we were going to win because It's such an important film, and all of the documentary nominees this year, out of five films, four of them were war-related films.
00:36:41.000There was a film about Iraq, No End in Sight, there was Operation Homecoming about the soldiers, and it was a great acknowledgement from the Academy that something is wrong with this country, and the Academy is a very conservative force, so it was really a great vindication and validation of all of our work.
00:36:58.000We were concerned, because of all the films, ours is the darkest, it's about torture, it's You know, it's incredibly critical of the administration.
00:37:05.000It features waterboarding, it features funny, difficult subjects, and we were a little nervous that maybe it was too dark for the Academy, but we really wanted to win.
00:37:13.000And also, you know, I must talk about Alex Gidney, who's the writer, director, producer.
00:37:19.000And, you know, he's been making films for a long time.
00:37:22.000He made Enron, Smartest Guys in the Room.
00:37:24.000He was nominated for another Oscar a couple of years ago.
00:37:26.000And we're so thrilled because he's so deserving.
00:37:29.000He's one of the best filmmakers working in the country today.
00:37:32.000It was great vindication and validation, and you know, it was really fun.
00:37:38.000Well, you've done an incredible job as the producer, the head honcho over the whole deal, and I'm just blessed and lucky to have ever even bumped into you, even as you're so smart and such a sweet person.
00:37:49.000You also have the clip, we had Professor Castle on a few years ago when this first came out, You know, the clip where John Yoo writes in these memos about crushing children's testicles in front of their parents, and then Professor Castle at a closed CFR meeting, even the CFRs mad at him in Chicago.
00:38:05.000You're not supposed to record it, but Castle did.
00:38:08.000And Yoo just says, yeah, the President has that authority.
00:38:11.000I mean, immersing yourself in this film, you guys started working on this film back when it still wasn't You know, kosher to get into this type of topic back when the regime was still riding high to a certain extent.
00:38:27.000So tell us about the process of deciding to make this film, when it began, all these locations.
00:38:33.000I mean, it's such an incredible feeling getting to interview some of the guards that did the torture, people who were convicted and sent to jail.
00:38:40.000But you have the memos and documents where they were ordered to do it.
00:38:43.000I mean, just basically the process, Eva.
00:38:47.000When the film started, we finished the film about a year ago, and it's been on the festival circuit for the year, and it's obviously just been released.
00:38:54.000But, you know, we started making it a year and a half ago before that, so it's really a two and a half year process.
00:38:59.000And the film came out of some conversations with Alex, who's the director, and a couple of extraordinary people who became executive producers and actually put a lot of money into the film when no one else would.
00:39:10.000And it came out of a conversation about what is going on in this country.
00:39:13.000Things are being reported in the New York Times and the Washington Post.
00:39:24.000The Geneva Conventions are being disregarded.
00:39:27.000And it was just this conversation that was just about rage.
00:39:31.000And it was a conversation involving patriotic Americans who were so disturbed by what was happening to their country.
00:39:39.000And, you know, people have branded the film anti-American and it's the complete opposite.
00:39:42.000It's about the preservation of what made America great and what America should be.
00:39:46.000So, you know, a couple of the executive producers, one was Rob Johnson, who used to be, you know, a right-hand man of George Soros.
00:39:52.000Another one was John Glasgow, who's an incredible human rights attorney.
00:39:56.000Sidney Blumenthal, who was one of Bill Clinton's policy advisors in the Clinton administration.
00:40:02.000These people all came forward early on.
00:40:05.000They put their money where their mouths were and really helped us out because we were having trouble getting distributors to put money up on the film.
00:40:11.000Alex's previous film was incredibly successful, Enron, as I said, and a lot of people were saying, is this really the follow-up film you want to make to Enron?
00:40:33.000So that was sort of the genesis of the film.
00:40:35.000And then from there, you know, we gathered, as you know with documentaries, we gathered a small and very hardworking crew of people.
00:40:43.000You know, we had one researcher, we had another producer.
00:40:47.000You know, it was a team of like six people and it was really about Getting access, getting information, you know, using a lot of archival material, which you know is hard to source, and really convincing people to talk on this film and to be a part of this film.
00:41:02.000So that was, you know, the initial process.
00:41:05.000Did you, I mean, of course you learned a lot making the film, did you ever get really creeped out?
00:41:13.000It was, I think we all say often, it was really, It was the hardest film I think any of us have ever made.
00:41:20.000I mean, you know, the material's grueling.
00:41:23.000You know what it's like when you're in an edit suite looking at horrible material.
00:41:25.000You know, we got a lot of classified photographs that nobody has seen before from Abu Ghraib.
00:41:31.000The thing that I find the most disturbing in the film is actually there's just some cell phone video from inside the prisons of prisoners smashing their heads against walls and collapsing.
00:41:41.000I mean, it's just so brutal and so inhumane and unhuman.
00:41:47.000It's hard to be around that kind of material all the time.
00:41:51.000It sounds so silly, but one of the saving graces of us making this film and keeping our sanity was we were making another film at the same time, which was a lot lighter in subject.
00:42:00.000It just premiered at Sundance in competition, and it's about Hunter S. Thompson, the great writer.
00:42:07.000We were able to bounce between the projects a little bit, because a year and a half being immersed in torture and your failing country is very hard to take.
00:42:18.000You bring away from the film, with the eyewitnesses, the documents, the death certificates, that the White House, with the memos, the orders, the systematic, whether it was in Cuba or Iraq, at Guantanamo Bay, where our government has a base, or in Afghanistan, that it was all the same standard torture, the same sensory deprivation, hanging people from the tops of their cells for days on end.
00:42:44.000All of this, beating people till they're according to the coroner's reports, liquefied the tissue in their bodies, literally turning them into Jell-O.
00:42:53.000And then to have the White House send people to prison who they ordered to do this, but then that was enlisted people, but promote the individuals, the officers who were actually above it.
00:43:08.000And the one lady who ran it in Iraq and Afghanistan, they send her to the interrogation training base, and now she's over training.
00:43:17.000I mean, to know that the White House ordered all this, and then when they got caught, they said, oh no, we're not behind this.
00:43:25.000And of course, you also point out how 24 has created a constituency for torture, how they're brainwashing.
00:43:33.000I mean, you know, I think the villains of the film, obviously, are George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, John Yoo and Gonzales.
00:43:40.000But, you know, the big criminal, I'm ashamed to say, is a woman called Carolyn Wood, who obviously did not interview for the film and has done absolutely no media.
00:43:49.000You know, she went from prison to prison enforcing these torture methods.
00:43:53.000And as you say now, you know, her punishment for This great violation of human rights and, you know, the American way is to be, you know, to end up in a training, an interrogation training military facility.
00:44:05.000So, you know, she's a complete villain.
00:44:09.000And I guess the most interesting thing, one of the most interesting things in the film is, you know, a bunch of these young officers, these ex-military guys that we have in the film who are young.
00:44:17.000I think it's fair to say a lot of them aren't overly educated and certainly weren't educated in the ways of the military.
00:44:23.000And they were thrown into these situations where they were untrained interrogators.
00:44:27.000Some of them had never come across the Geneva Conventions, and that's what the higher-ups wanted.
00:44:31.000And they were put into these incredible situations of stress, of fear of terrorism in America, that was placed on their shoulders, and they had to get information by any means possible, often from innocent people who had just been picked up in the fields of Afghanistan.
00:44:49.000And what's so interesting is we managed to get a number of these people to talk to us, and I think they're the heroes of the film, because They're so brave, and they're so honest, and they know they did the wrong thing, but they're also willing to talk about the fact that they're misguided, and, you know, when you're put into a bad situation, people do bad things.
00:45:05.000Well, you also captured the essence, you also captured in the film the essence, and this is the point we've always made from guests and witnesses that we've had on, just in a radio format, that this was the White House and their technocrats seducing the military, seducing the public, really trying to sell us on the most barbarous forms uh... of uh... torture and everything in your film is documented in fact i think it
00:45:30.000I don't want to say it's soft, it's horrible, it's about as hardcore as it can get, but, you know, reality is even several steps deeper and worse.
00:45:37.000Like the Army Zone report from General Togumbo, where they admit raping the people, using acid with large objects.
00:45:44.000I mean, I can't even get into it on air, but this is even on MSNBC.
00:45:48.000So as bad as the film is, I want people to understand, and it was very upsetting even to me, I got tears in my eyes several times, studying this, Studying torture for the last 10 years, knowing our government for decades has been training the world how to torture, I think it makes the film even stronger that you guys, I know, could have even made it more hardcore, and the CIA admits, we've had the former section chief on, that they wouldn't arrest real Al-Qaeda or Taliban,
00:46:15.000In fact, Taliban and Al-Qaeda would go just grab goat herders and turn them over and get $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 in some cases, and the bases even knew that they were innocent, but they would then send them on after being tortured out of Afghanistan, out of Iraq, to Camp X-Ray in Cuba to keep the cover-up going, and then the CIA brainwashing.
00:46:36.000I mean, it's just so incredible, and I'm trying to describe a 90-minute film here, and I guess it's impossible to do on radio.
00:46:44.000Yeah, I mean, that's really covered in our film, you're absolutely right.
00:46:48.000And one of the examples of that is, in order to tell this story in a cinematic and interesting way, we had to find a story and a metaphor for what this government is doing and what torture can do to people.
00:46:59.000And we found that in the story of Dilawar, who's this young Afghani cab driver who's innocently picked up and sent to Bagram, where he's, as you say, he's pulpified to death, essentially.
00:47:10.000He's beaten by the military and he ends up dead.
00:47:42.000It's incomprehensible to me, and it's incomprehensible to me that some of the Republican frontrunners, who are no longer, thank goodness, in the upcoming elections, were saying we need to double the size of Guantanamo, based on what, this incredible success?
00:48:01.000It just doesn't make any sense, having made this film and being so I'd say with all of this material, it still just is like a bad movie.
00:48:10.000Well, Eva, your film's been done for a year, but it's very timely now, because they're gonna try a bunch of these people who have no connection to 9-11, and after six years of incarceration and torture, even mainstream news is saying, you can't believe anything they say, and then these trials aren't even real trials.
00:48:28.000So now we're gonna have kangaroo courts six years later?
00:48:32.000Well, and the death penalty is what they're going for.
00:48:36.000And, you know, we have a number of human rights attorneys in the film and they talk about the fact that they had no access to their clients for many years and how preposterous that was.
00:48:44.000And one of my favorite comments and one of my favorite characters is Clive Stafford Smith, who's an English human rights attorney.
00:48:50.000And he says, you know, when I was studying in America, I had, it never crossed my mind that I would be having trouble to get access to my clients and that my clients would have no right to a trial.
00:49:00.000I mean, it's just, It's just, it just makes no sense.
00:49:04.000It's the same kind of thought for me as, you know, when I was, I'm 38 years old, and when I was studying, and I'm Australian, and when I was studying in Australia, legal studies, learning about these great precedent cases like Roe versus Wade, and suddenly, you know, 25, 30 years later, there's a possibility that they'll be turned over, and it just, it just doesn't make sense.
00:49:23.000It seems so, it seems like the world's a little, a little backwards these days.
00:49:28.000Well, what they do is, and you point this out, they get everybody into fear.
00:49:32.000And then they try to set the precedent to be able to torture children.
00:49:36.000In fact, let's go ahead and you've got two different John Yoo clips.
00:49:48.000The argument I'm making about adaptation of the rules is a question of what the United States should be as a matter of international law, which I treat as being a separate and distinctly law from domestic law.
00:49:59.000So, in other words, if the president deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop that.
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00:54:31.000Eva Orner's coming straight on for the neocon Bush administration.
00:54:35.000She's in papers all over the world saying war criminals run our government.
00:54:41.000And if we don't bring them to justice, it'll then be in our name.
00:54:44.000And people will see Americans as the Germans were seen after Hitler.
00:54:51.000I mean, this is hardcore murder of innocent people who they knew were innocent, literally just to have the illusion while Bush is saying, don't go after bin Laden, Well, he supposedly said attacked us.
00:55:02.000Meanwhile, let's take some, you know, 15, 13, in some cases, year old kids.
00:55:35.000I mean, oh God, what is the most chilling part?
00:55:38.000You know, to me, to me it's really, it's really the images.
00:55:43.000It's really, well, you know, it's actually, you know what the saddest thing to me in the whole film is?
00:55:48.000Is at the end of the film when you find out, you know, the state of the number of soldiers who were involved in, you know, in torture and brutal interrogation techniques and when you see what happened to their lives and, you know, you see that these kids in their 20s, usually from the South, I think it's fair to say, You know, their lives are ruined.
00:56:05.000One of them says that, you know, financially he's ruined, he can't get a job, he's, you know, he's spent time in military prison.
00:56:11.000And these are the victims of the administration and, you know, and everyone else who's going to leave this current administration that already has goes on to prestigious jobs and nothing happens to them.
00:56:21.000And I guess that's why I've been saying that, branding them as war criminals in the media, because that's what war criminals do.
00:56:27.000They commit acts of atrocity and they get away with that.
00:56:31.000I think that's probably, you know, aside from all the images of torture and all of the terrible images that we see, I really think it's these innocent people who signed up, who served our country, unlike most of the people in the current administration, who then got scapegoated and ended up in prison.
00:56:52.000Speaking of that, Eva, I remember, it was even in the Associated Press and other news wires a few years ago, One of the guards in Afghanistan, a private contractor who tortured people to death, he was about to blow the whistle and said, look, we were ordered to, and then they used the Patriot Act on him to shut him up.
00:57:13.000I mean, it's just, you know, it's just incredible evil to me.
00:57:16.000I mean, I think another thing that's really worth talking about is the fact that, you know, we're all obviously, you know, pretty far on the left side, all of us filmmakers, but it was really important for us to make this not a left-wing, you know, propaganda piece.
00:57:28.000And so one of the things we were very cautious and careful to do was to try and get, you know, insiders in the Republican side of the country to talk.
00:57:36.000And, you know, people like Alberta Moira, who was a former Navy General Counsel, And he was very much behind stopping what was going on at Abu Ghraib.
00:57:46.000I just think it's really worth letting audiences know that this is not a propaganda piece.
00:57:52.000No, I'm going to say right now, as bad as it is, there's actually even a lot more stuff that's even worse.
00:58:01.000I'm sure you came across the Army report where they admitted that 98% That are sent to Abu Ghraib, were picked up at checkpoints for not having proper papers, and that women were raped in front of their husbands.
00:58:15.000And I mean, that's what happened to our lead guy, who was murdered.
00:58:17.000I mean, and it's also, it's very much, and the reason we know about these stories is because of the incredible people on the ground in Afghanistan, working for the papers in America.
00:58:27.000You know, people like Carlisle de Gaulle, who discovered the Dilawar story.
01:00:22.000And if they're able to get away with torture and creating a constituency for torture and selling us that it's okay, it's over.
01:00:28.000And now we see police nationwide, copycatting, abuse has gone up in the prisons.
01:00:33.000Eva, you know, your film really points all this out.
01:00:39.000We really have been seduced over to the dark side.
01:00:42.000I think we're pulling away from it now.
01:00:44.000That's why I just think this is one of the most powerful films, documentaries I've ever seen because I think I know it all about this stuff and I'm immersed in it, but I became very upset and I hardly ever feel almost panicked, but it was just exactly like some of the cell phone video inside the torture facilities and my God, just seeing it, I mean it makes movies like Saw or Hostel That's nothing on the real thing, is it?
01:01:57.000And hopefully that will affect the elections later in the year.
01:02:01.000And also, you know, the other thing you talk about is, you know, just how what's been going on in the country has affected popular culture and you mentioned 24 earlier in the show and it's funny, I had never ever watched 24 before we did this film and, you know, there was a weekend and I took home a couple of box sets of the whole series and I was just I mean, everyone loved this show.
01:02:23.000And I watched it, and I was just outraged.
01:02:27.000And I'm so happy that we used a clip in the film to explain what a ridiculous notion the ticking time bomb scenario is.
01:02:34.000Because I've seen it in law enforcement magazines long before 9-11.
01:02:38.000They were selling police on this, that there's a bomb about to go off.
01:02:41.000Do you torture the person's child to get answers?
01:02:44.000And then in 24, they actually have that plot.
01:02:47.000I just love it because, again, I've mentioned him already, Clive Stafford Smith, who's this incredibly UK-based human rights lawyer.
01:02:54.000He says, you know, and it's so great, as he tells the story in the film, we show the footage on 24 and he says, you know, there's a terrorist and he's got a bomb in Times Square and he's about to kill a million people.
01:03:08.000So are we allowed to strap the electrodes to his testicles to get him to talk?
01:03:13.000And we have a scene sort of mimicking that in 24.
01:03:16.000And then Clyde says rightly, well that's all just fine, but when in the last 500 years have we ever been in a situation where a bomb is about to go off and we have the culprit?
01:03:25.000And also, if we do, that man or woman is going to be so committed that no matter what we do to them, they're not going to talk.
01:03:31.000So it's just this pathetic, false way to get around a loophole and make torture a viable option.
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01:08:45.000I am extremely honored to be joined by one of my idols, someone I admire as a real journalist and a true patriot, who has been defending the sovereignty of this nation, defending the jobs of every working American, and who stood up in an incredible way to globalism and the corruption of the out-of-control federal government.
01:09:57.000Well, Independence Day is a cry for people to start thinking and acting independently, to push back against these partisan political parties, the Republican Party and Democratic Party alike, who've really brought us to the mess that we're in and now are fielding three candidates that say they're the solution.
01:10:15.000It is a remarkable approach to create the problems, sustain and perpetuate the problems, and continue to run.
01:10:22.000as those who will solve those problems.
01:10:25.000And as a result, we get more of the same every four years in this country.
01:10:36.000But, I mean, to really give us the bottom line, both parties bought and paid for by the Fortune 100, who could care less about our sovereignty, have already basically strip-mined this nation economically.
01:10:48.000What do you see coming out of this election with McCain versus Hillary or Obama?
01:10:55.000I truly believe, just as you said, Alex, that both parties are bought and paid for by corporate America, by socio-ethnocentric interests, special interests.
01:11:04.000And, you know, the first tenet of any democracy is that the rule of the majority prevails and that the majority will rule in a democracy.
01:11:14.000But we have a representative republic in which those tenets of democracy were to be preserved.
01:11:20.000That is, the majority would be first recognized and ruled.
01:11:25.000The majority in this country is simply ignored by the elites of both our political system, academia, and corporate America.
01:11:35.000And this race will result in a perpetuation of partisan control and the control of corporate America.
01:11:42.000There will be no change, I will guarantee you, if one of the two candidates of these two political parties He's elected president.
01:11:50.000There won't be a change in our fortunes at all.
01:11:53.000You joined CNN when it was founded out of the gates as their financial news director.
01:12:12.000Looking forward, the establishment is just giving us more of the same.
01:12:16.000Kennedy said those that make peaceful revolutions impossible make violent revolutions inevitable.
01:12:21.000Looking forward, do you see some type of either economic or even physical revolution or more and more clashes between the disappearing middle class and these elites?
01:12:33.000I happen to be one of those, Alex, who believes very strongly that either we will take back our system of government, that is a populist, representative republic, and that will function through the consent of the government, or we will see an absolute change of direction.
01:12:53.000I don't think it will be a violent revolution, but I think there will be a crisis that will impend and demand action on the part of the people.
01:13:02.000The American people right now are not being represented in Washington, D.C.
01:13:08.000The will of the majority is not being followed.
01:13:12.000As a matter of fact, it's been derided, spit at, by those that we are sending to Washington, D.C.
01:13:18.000to represent working men and women and middle-class families in this country.
01:13:24.000And that is the foundation of this country's very existence, the American dream, and it's being Dashed by the nonsense that we're permitting in Washington and our own failure to demand both better of ourselves and our government.
01:13:39.000I see one of the biggest crises is not just the war in Iraq, now over a trillion, $300 billion that you speak so much about, but also the plunging value of the dollar.
01:13:48.000Greenspan a week ago saying, telling the Arab countries to go ahead and dump the dollar, now accelerating that.
01:13:54.000We could see this crisis coming to a head very soon.
01:13:59.000I believe that there is no question that a crisis in our financial system is already here.
01:14:04.000When we are looking at the dollar decline to all-time lows against the euro, falling against the yen, and dropping to 20-year lows against many of the major currencies of the world, that is a clear signal as to how much trouble this economy is in.
01:14:21.000Alex, as you know, we have $53 trillion in unfunded liabilities for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, all of the entitlement programs.
01:14:30.000We have a $9 trillion national debt, a $6 trillion trade debt that's rising faster than our national debt.
01:14:37.000And we have idiots in Washington, D.C.
01:14:39.000and academia walking around suggesting That the economy is just fine and business as usual will work out just ducky.
01:14:50.000If it were not so tragic, it would be laughable.
01:14:52.000Lou Dobbs, why have the elites that control this nation Whereas 20-30 years ago, with the last dollar crises we had, they decided to shore it up and try to keep it as the world reserve currency.
01:15:04.000I look at the economic landscape, it seems all we have left was our dollar being the world reserve currency, but instead, the federal government has had a weak dollar policy, which only spells rack and ruin.
01:15:19.000Well, I think it's pretty clear that the reason they're doing it, Again, in my opinion, is that these people believe that this is 1965 rather than 2008.
01:15:29.000There was a time when if you lowered the value of the dollar, it would make our exports cheaper, and we would push back against imports because they would be more expensive and you could look to a trade balance.
01:15:43.000But we, Alex, are absolutely dependent on China for our toys, our computers, our consumer electronics, our clothing.
01:15:52.000So there's no what the economists call elasticity in the demand relationship on import.
01:15:58.000So as this administration has demanded that the Chinese in effect raise the price of their exports to the United States, the reality is we're going to create even more inflation in this country.
01:16:11.000We have the specter of stagflation staring at us.
01:16:17.000Sir, some pundits, even on national television, have come out and said that the Globalist, and now the Council on Foreign Relations, three weeks ago, as you know, came out and confirmed that, and said, we want to go ahead and get rid of the dollar, to create a new kind of a marrow dollar, and then merge that with the Euro.
01:16:34.000So I believe the Globalists, in their own words, by design, want to kind of put the dollar slowly to death, so they can then replace it.
01:16:43.000Well, I think that there certainly is no doubt that those who would, in every way, degrade the sovereignty of this country would want to certainly degrade the power, the strength, and the respect of the U.S.
01:16:59.000And it is the last thing we should permit.
01:17:01.000But what we should all understand is when that dollar is declining as it is right now at world markets, it is the clearest possible signal that we could have that our economy He's in a very, very desperate condition.
01:17:16.000And we have to start being responsible, taking prudent action to return to the values that make this country great.
01:17:25.000And in every sense of the social order and in terms of the economic order, that means we have to raise our savings rate.
01:17:32.000We have to take control of our borrowing from overseas.
01:17:37.000We have to come to terms with the enormous debt that we have allowed.
01:17:41.000Uh, our elite in this country to run up.
01:17:43.000Well, the working man and woman in this country has not participated in what has been a period of prosperity for corporate America for 20 years.
01:17:52.000We only have about five, six minutes left with Lou Dobbs, obviously a very busy man with a syndicated radio show, writing columns, CNN every night with his number one program in that time slot.
01:18:08.000It's excellent and it's rocketing up the charts right now.
01:18:11.000Lou, I want to talk briefly about yourself.
01:18:13.000Growing up in Texas, you're live, getting into the media, being a journalist.
01:18:16.000When did you start waking up to, as you say, the new world order and these elites, and the last five, six years really turning the heat up on them?
01:18:25.000What was your awakening to these elites?
01:18:29.000My awakening to, and by the way, I just want to make it very clear, I am a capitalist.
01:18:34.000I believe fervently in this free enterprise democracy of ours.
01:18:38.000But this isn't free market under the globalist system.
01:18:41.000Well, that certainly is not in terms of that.
01:18:44.000I'm talking about in terms of its ideal.
01:18:47.000And the reality is that this country is what has created wealth throughout the world over the course of the past 40 years.
01:18:56.000This great economy has driven just about three-fourths of the wealth generated in the world over the past 40 years.
01:19:04.000But my awakening came on September 11, 2001.
01:19:08.000In which I saw the way in which this government reacted and responded and failed to stop that vicious terrorist attack.
01:19:17.000It came in 2001 when Enron collapsed with the corporate corruption scandals of 2001 and 2002 and the way in which corporate America refused to work in the national interest and to look to the common good but rather to try to maintain and preserve A world without regulation or responsibility.
01:19:37.000They made it clear that they could care less about this nation.
01:19:42.000And the multinationals who are going to participate in this $13 trillion, the world's richest economy, have to take responsibility and take leadership.
01:19:53.000Instead, they have hidden behind the Business Roundtable, the U.S.
01:19:57.000Chamber of Commerce, the lobbying organizations, and it's seldom you'll hear an individual CEO stand up and Speak on any issue involving our society, our people, or the national interest.
01:20:09.000Leaving the voices, their voices, still in favor of the efforts of their lobby, the U.S.
01:20:16.000Lou Dobbs, since you bring up 9-11, I want to read a quote here instead of just playing the audio.
01:20:20.000This is Lou Dobbs on your national CNN news program.
01:20:24.000The fact that they would continue to perpetuate the lie suggests that we need a full investigation of what is going on and what is demonstrably and Incompetent, and what is worse, a deceitful federal government.
01:20:36.000You said that months ago, now it's come out that the White House was manipulating the 9-11 Commission, which they appointed, of course.
01:20:44.000They first tried to give us Kissinger.
01:20:46.000What are you talking about, incompetence versus deceitful federal government surrounding 9-11?
01:20:53.000Well, I'm talking about, in this regard, I'm talking about the idea that we have George Senator, a gold medal, while the CIA failed to act intelligently and responsibly to stop that attack.
01:21:04.000I'm talking about a government that continues for almost seven years after September 11th to leave our borders wide open and our ports insecure, with 95% of the goods entering this country uninspected.
01:21:18.000At the same time, this president The Democratic leadership in the House and the Senate all claim to be concerned about the American people's safety and welfare during a time of war against terror, and yet they leave our ports and our borders wide open.
01:21:36.000That's deceitful, it's dishonest, and it's irresponsible.
01:21:47.000It is such a manifest fraud to have the banks accepting consul matriculars that you can get out of a crackerjack box for illegal aliens.
01:21:56.000Bush trying to give $140 plus billion dollars to Mexico for their military when it's been all over Texas papers for a long time.
01:22:05.000Finally, in national news, the Mexican troops shoot at Border Patrol, come across, grab drug shipments away from sheriffs.
01:22:11.000I've interviewed that have had Mexican troops stick German machine guns to their heads and say, give us the marijuana back.
01:22:17.000Can you... I mean, all this is going on, and then meanwhile, they're setting up internal checkpoints to search Americans and check our papers.
01:22:28.000Again, what this administration, this government, this Congress, and we the people have permitted in allowing the Bush administration to have effectively further reduced our sovereignty and the respect for our laws and certainly regard for our borders and our ports.
01:22:44.000It's been a shameless, shameless period in American history that we're going to have to reverse.
01:22:56.000I understand you just called, but final question.
01:23:00.000Doesn't that show that they're obviously not too concerned about a terror attack and I guess if one happens that means they get even more governmental control if they don't stop those further attacks and leave the border wide open?
01:23:12.000You know, Alex, in terms of trying to figure out what in the world this president and this administration is thinking at any time, if indeed they are thinking, is well beyond my limited capacity.
01:23:37.000That if people do not awaken to the absolute threat to this nation's sovereignty posed by the Texas Trans Corridor, the NAFTA superhighway, the North American Union, Under the guise of the so-called security and prosperity partnership among Canada, the United States, and Mexico, then this country can kiss its future goodbye, because it is precisely what's underway.
01:24:03.000I think the New World Order is going to be defeated in the end.
01:24:31.000Yesterday we had him scheduled and then we finally got him on today and they're telling me that in the future we'll be able to have him for 30-45 minutes, but right now he's extremely busy starting his new syndicated radio show on Monday, but I did hold him over a few extra minutes to get basically all of my questions out to him.
01:24:49.000Alright, I know there's a lot happening with Barack Obama and Hillary Ron Paul only got 5% of the Texas vote, but got 70% of his district's vote.
01:24:58.000If you believe that that is accurate, I got a bridge I want to sell you on the moon.
01:25:03.000I've now had a day or so to look at the numbers from Tuesday, and there is no doubt that Ron Paul was cheated in Texas.
01:25:10.000We've caught them cheating him, where he got second place in Nevada, and then they just didn't even put him in the placing.
01:25:19.000numbers where he got second place in the bottom of the decision but in the running they said mccain got that he had clearly one louisiana and they gave him second place there they clearly cheated him in new hampshire we caught them red-handed in district after district doing that uh...
01:25:34.000and now in texas with signs billboards planes blimps radio tv ads everybody i talked to send a love ron paul I mean, I guarantee you, folks, he won Texas.
01:25:54.000Now we have to set about exposing this, prosecuting.
01:25:57.000There's talk in investigations in Houston of election fraud and prosecutions.
01:26:01.000There is all sorts of news spilling out in Texas.
01:26:04.000and other states of this happening and so we'll open the phones up and talk about that issue a whole plethora of other issues 1-800-259-9231 1-800-259-9231 wide open phones today we're also getting a reporter on who's nationally broke they're saying uh... this was on MSNBC and other places that mexican troops fire on our troops and our border patrol and attack
01:26:34.000Now, of course, we've had sheriffs on here.
01:27:39.000I wasn't even looking for it, and there were jeeps or Humvees parked with guys with machine guns standing up in the top smoking cigarettes with a marijuana field behind them.
01:27:53.000And they're just openly saying they're going to give them $140-plus billion.
01:27:57.000They announced that a month ago to supposedly fight all of this.
01:28:02.000While they're waging war on us and attacking us, and the Mexican military has been videoed for at least three years, scores of times we put it on the website, American Patrols posted it, got in the video, so have the other organizations, Ranch Rescue, the Minutemen, and others.
01:28:17.000Where you'll see convoys of armored vehicles and Humvees with heavy machine guns, guarding and shepherding, and literally transporting in flatback trucks, hundreds and hundreds of illegal aliens in each instance.
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01:28:34.000If a citizen went down there and fired on Border Patrol, they'd call out hundreds of vehicles, helicopters, it'd be national news, it'd be alerts on the TV, evil terrorists, you know, evil American citizens are attacking our glorious Border Patrol and our military, our National Guard.
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01:33:20.000All right, we're back live, ladies and gentlemen.
01:33:23.000He's with us for the rest of the hour.
01:33:27.000Dr. Dina Dell really probably doesn't need much of an introduction.
01:33:30.000An American physician and broadcaster in the United States who hosts the Dr. Dina Dell Radio Program, syndicated through Premier Radio Networks.
01:33:38.000Same folks that bring in George Norrie, Rush Limbaugh, and all of them.
01:33:41.000And he's got quite a list of letters after his name.
01:33:47.000First studied zoology at Cornell University, before earning his MD from Cornell University, on and on and on.
01:33:52.000And so he's a medical doctor, written quite a few best-selling books, and we have got him on with us for the next 30 minutes.
01:33:59.000I used to really like Dr. Dieter Dell.
01:34:00.000I mean, I've been listening to him on KLBJ 590 for like 12, 14 years.
01:34:04.000I, of course, am on that station right now.
01:34:08.000But I've seen him change a little bit, and kind of his defense of the establishment, I think, intensified.
01:34:13.000So I wanted to get him on and talk about that today.
01:34:15.000But I do agree with a lot of things he says.
01:34:18.000Just because the mainstream medical stuff, you know, hundreds of thousands a year die from the wrong prescriptions, or medical mistakes in hospitals, or cutting off the wrong arm, or leaving instruments in people.
01:34:28.000At the same time, the alternative groups are a lot of kooks there, and they make the good alternative stuff look bad.
01:34:34.000Magic machines that cost $5,000 that are a piece of glass with a flashing light in it that con artists sell.
01:34:46.000I support A lot of the real alternative stuff, herbs that have been proven for thousands of years that have known effects and a lot of that, so that all gets a bad name because we put up with all of these out-of-control cooks.
01:34:57.000So, I agree with the doc there, let's just go ahead and go to him, but I disagree with him on a bunch of other issues.
01:35:03.000Dr. Dean, thanks for coming on with us.
01:35:04.000Oh, my pleasure, and I'll bet you by the end of our time together here, we're going to agree 100%.
01:35:25.000There's just so much information out there to bring to people every day.
01:35:29.000It's a huge field and it's such intense interest.
01:35:34.000So, in a sense, the frustration is I don't have more time on the air to explore more issues, and it's really hard every day to pick what to talk about.
01:35:43.000It moves quickly because, as I said, there are so many important issues.
01:35:46.000You mentioned a bunch of the most important, actually, and everything you said that I just heard you say, I kind of agree with you, but let's dig into it.
01:35:55.000Well, what do you think the biggest scams are right now in alternative healthcare?
01:36:01.000Well, the biggest scam, and let's be really, really clear.
01:36:04.000Nobody wants to throw the baby out with the bathwater here.
01:36:42.000Of course, they didn't think it would be big time, so they sold the company, and that's why I'm still working for a living.
01:36:46.000But either way, you know, vitamins, there have been eight major double-blind studies that cannot be questioned.
01:36:53.000You give half the people phony pills, and half the people real pills, and both groups wind up the same in terms of cancer, heart disease, etc.
01:37:01.000We have proven that taking a bunch of vitamins every day does not help you, and yet more than half of Americans still take them.
01:37:08.000Then you get a piece of bull like, you know, You know, Airborne, Secure the Common Cold, one of the biggest companies in America, invented by a school teacher.
01:37:16.000I don't know how she skirted all the Nobel Prize winners.
01:37:19.000And the more we slam these things, the more we tell people something is worthless, the more they cling to it.
01:37:24.000And like, as you say, there are really important, legitimate herbs and alternative techniques that need the research.
01:37:32.000And many that have given us You know, mainline pharmaceutical drugs and treatments that get swept out with the trash, so to speak.
01:37:39.000So, in a sense, the bad apples in the alternative movement are tainting something that could be very vital in terms of our future investigation.
01:37:48.000We're talking to nationally syndicated radio talk shows, premier radio networks.
01:37:51.000Dr. Dina Dell will fire out some of your websites here in just a moment, because there's quite a few.
01:37:55.000I don't know which ones you particularly want to put out.
01:37:58.000But see, right there is where I disagree.
01:38:00.000I'm talking about, I'm talking about people selling magic machines that they claim, you know, they've got flashing lights in them that heal you, or, you know, magic, just so much ridiculous garbage.
01:38:12.000People that claim this cream will make your cataracts fall off.
01:38:16.000I mean, there is just so much outright, just total scams, and they charge hundreds or thousands of dollars, you know, depending on the scam.
01:38:25.000And then meanwhile, you just said vitamins.
01:38:27.000You know, have been proven conclusively.
01:38:29.000You can point to one study, I can point to a thousand others, where we know a lot of people, I mean, let's say people that have a junk food diet, we know that supplements are good, because they're not getting the nutrients they need, so that replaces them.
01:38:41.000I mean, I don't know how you can say that supplements and vitamins haven't been proven to help, because you've got... Well, it's easy.
01:39:31.000There are so many other micronutrients that are found in real food.
01:39:36.000You do not find in a pill that has vitamin A, vitamin B, vitamin C. There's so much more than that in But that's why green foods are good, because let's say you're not getting all the stuff you need.
01:39:45.000I mean, a condensed green food with a bunch of raw, unpasteurized, concentrated food plants.
01:40:34.000But I've also seen the studies specifically about where they have these basically synthetic or artificial, you know, the junk multivitamins where it's not even the real plant-derived or food-derived thing that we're getting.
01:41:31.000You know, the phony, the rip-off machines and the stuff like that you were talking about, I'm like you in that I divide this into, I see caring people who really feel they've stumbled upon something and they really want to help and they market a product in good faith.
01:41:44.000It may not work, but they're not guilty of anything.
01:41:46.000They've made a good attempt and they're within the law.
01:41:48.000Then you get the scam artists, like you said, who are, to me, the same as someone sticking a gun in your belly.
01:42:15.000Will you tell me any other area in consumer law where that is the case?
01:42:19.000Okay, Doc, I want to get into some other sectors of the interview because I don't want to run out of time here, but here's the problem.
01:42:26.000You can get Vioxx approved, a multi-billion dollar drug, and then it comes out that it's causing all these heart attacks.
01:42:32.000And if you look at the hundreds of thousands of deaths a year, and they can debate 150 one year, 200,000 another, you know, it's always moving, but it's always over 100,000, where they admit that drug interactions and drug problems from Big Pharma are doing this.
01:42:49.000If we allow the government to come in and basically do what Europe wants to do, to even start restricting, you know, what type of vitamins you can get, that's the problem.
01:43:01.000So I don't know how we find that balance, but now shifting gears here, because I want to get into some other subjects.
01:43:07.000I have heard you on radio say, and I hear you almost every week, because you're on local stations here, say that there's no more thimerosal in the vaccines, but then I can go pull up the Associated Press saying that they increased the amount in the MMR, they increased the amount in the Flu shots.
01:43:26.000I actually did go for this interview and I did go actually pull AP, Reuters, CDC reports that yes, since what, 2002, they're making available non-thamarisol vaccines, but the vast majority still are.
01:44:13.000Step up to the plate and let's talk about it.
01:44:16.000Uh, and that is important, but there's no Pomerosol, and since Pomerosol's been taken out of vaccines in Denmark, in Sweden, and in America, autism rates have increased.
01:44:25.000So, it ain't Pomerosol, and it's... No, I saw that.
01:45:20.000Keep reading, but you gotta keep reading where it says, this does not imply that vaccines cause autism.
01:45:24.000This young child, if indeed, this is not a court of law by the way, That one case out of millions and millions and millions and millions, this child has a genetic defect that's very unusual, a mitochondrial DNA defect, in combination with something having to do with vaccines, not thimerosal, read it carefully, may have played a role in a single case.
01:45:45.000When an airplane goes down, do you stop flying?
01:45:49.000Uh, no, but it's... Okay, so we've got to grow up here.
01:45:52.000You don't get technology that is white.
01:45:54.000Listen, you don't get technology that is white polio off the face of the earth, smallpox off the face of the earth, where is the theory of whooping cough, tetanus, where are these diseases?
01:46:02.000You don't take that technology because there is some flaw and it's not absolutely perfect.
01:46:07.000You drive your car because you love it and you're willing to take a 1 in 2,500 risk of killing yourself this year.
01:46:13.000Americans have got to grow up and understand that technology is not perfect.
01:47:11.000I mean, I'm asking... No, because... But don't you want to... But listen, I want to find out why and what's going on to waste all this time.
01:47:38.000He had a convulsion after that, and then, and I said, oh, let me guess, the hospital tried to take your kid, saying you shook him.
01:47:44.000Man, what, why is it they get the shot and sometimes have a convulsion in the hospital?
01:47:48.000Listen, this is a, it's a common reasoning fallacy.
01:47:51.000There are so many shots that are given to kids, there is, nothing can happen in the child that isn't a week or two after a shot, or a week or two before the shot, and it sure seems like there's a relationship.
01:48:06.000But we're just wasting and spinning our wheels not getting to the bottom of autism by constantly having to put down a theory that kind of came and it kind of went.
01:48:51.000The point is that we don't come up with scientific conclusions by public proclamation.
01:48:57.000We have to come up with... I hate to keep reducing it, because it sounds so cold and hardcore, but We can't allow ourselves to take our eye off the ball, and that is, we've got to prove what's going on.
01:49:10.000We've got to find out what's going on.
01:49:12.000It sure seems ambitious, I know, but after eight major large studies with no medical group in the world, you've got to... Hold on, hold on.
01:49:21.000Funded by the big vaccine makers, but let me just stop you.
01:49:25.000Let me just throw this out before we go to breaking of the final segment.
01:49:27.000I've got to have you back up sometime.
01:50:14.000But talking about throwing the baby out with the bathwater, of course, just because there is fraud, because there are illegal and fraudulent ties behind the scenes, doesn't mean that everything that comes from mainstream science Okay, it's fraudulent.
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01:54:08.000He's in every major city and most small towns.
01:54:11.000He's on 590 KLBJ here in Austin, one of our affiliates.
01:54:15.000Now, of course, we're on 1330 right now, and then, of course, on the weekend on 590.
01:54:22.000Moving quicker here, let's take sodium fluoride.
01:54:27.000I just said to you during the break, did you know that they take the whole waste from the aluminum and of course fertilizer manufacturer and then that's what they call fluoride that they then put in the water.
01:54:43.000I'm going to make sure you get emailed all the mainstream documentation and the head of epidemiology departments and FDA investigators all saying it.
01:54:51.000I mean, did you hear about the American Dental Association coming out a year and a half ago and saying, don't give babies fluoride water?
01:54:58.000Right, because they're getting plenty of it.
01:54:59.000They're getting plenty of it as it is, and you've got to be very careful.
01:55:02.000Now, if you're saying that they use waste material to produce fluoride, I wouldn't be surprised, but the same token, I can take water from your toilet after you flush, and I can reduce pure water.
01:55:15.000And you might say, hey, I'm drinking sewage here.
01:55:43.000I've seen a bunch of mainline university studies from China to Japan to England where it causes massive increases in that type of cancer in boys.
01:55:54.000You've got to be careful with that, in terms of implying cause and effect, if it might seem so, but to my knowledge... Doubling, tripling, depending on the study.
01:57:02.000Dr. Dean, you're doing what the big, and that's who's pushing it, you know, the big governments and banks are doing, pushing for a global carbon tax while ignoring all the real toxic waste and the rest of it.
01:57:12.000They say every scientist agrees with man-made global warming, when that's actually not the truth, it's the opposite, that the vast majority believe it's not man-made, it's the sun cycle, and so you're saying everybody, you know, they all know that I'll put it to you another way.
01:57:27.000Tell me the last time that you saw in the history of science, because I know a few examples here, when you saw that 0.1% of scientists turn out to be right.
01:57:38.000And if they turned out to be right, by the way, they proved their case.
01:57:41.000But it isn't 0.1% that believe that sodium fluoride... Well, pick whatever you want.
01:57:54.000You know, I was into this stuff before most people listening to this program were bored.
01:57:57.000Dr. Dean, are you saying that sodium fluoride, even the Big Kidney Foundation says it hurts kidneys, are you saying sodium fluoride doesn't cause bone calcification?
01:58:10.000No, an appropriate amount, but Americans are often getting too much, so I agree with you there.
01:58:16.000No, it can definitely be toxic, just like everything else.
01:58:18.000You turn the heat on in your house, it warms your house.
01:59:59.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
02:00:04.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
02:00:10.000Well, he's agreed to come back in the future.
02:00:12.000We've just got five minutes left with him.
02:00:15.000Nationally syndicated radio talk show host, Dr. Dina Dell, in the top 15 or so talk shows in the country most listened to.
02:00:23.000And he's with us for about four more minutes here, so I'm just going to rapid-fire a few more comments at him.
02:00:30.000Dr. Dean, I talked about Tuskegee, I talked about eugenics, the other things that have happened.
02:00:36.000There's no doubt the UN, if you don't know this I can send it to you, has been caught adding different synthetic hormones to tetanus shots and sterilizing.
02:00:45.000Planned Parenthood's in trouble for, yeah, give us money to get rid of the black people.
02:00:50.000That's why a lot of people don't trust the medical system.
02:00:54.000I'm sure you know, you're a medical doctor, Presidio University, That a lot of our modern sciences were dominated by eugenicists up until 30-something states before sterilization here, and then they went underground with crypto-eugenics after World War II.
02:01:20.000These things have been horrible black marks on the history of science, and like the horrible black... Listen, you can say America is a horrible, horrible country because of all the horrible things we did, and look at our mistakes, and go down all the bad things we've done internationally and with other countries, and in war, and violence, and blah, blah, blah, blah, in our history.
02:01:38.000That doesn't mean we're not a great country.
02:01:40.000You know, so I think you have to be very, very careful when you raise these issues in terms of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
02:01:47.000But I'm not saying the whole country is bad.
02:01:50.000I'm saying these mad scientists Who literally, I mean, that guy Watson at the Human Genome Project at Cold Springs Harbor.
02:02:27.000Well, I'd say 50 years ago, most people were.
02:02:30.000But those ideas... I grew up in America, you know, I'm a child of World War II, and I would say we had and still have a problem with all this.
02:03:05.000I agree with you, but what I'm asking you, last question is this.
02:03:08.000Why have doctors stopped giving the Hippocratic Oath?
02:03:11.000Um, I don't know that they have, and I took it in medicine.
02:03:14.000The Hippocratic Oath was written 2,000 years ago, and if you read it, it talks about not taking money from slaves, and it's like totally, totally out of touch.
02:03:22.000We are a very highly screened group of professionals with bad apples, unethical, immoral people in it, but I'll bet you, if you took a survey of lawyers, politicians, businessmen, they would have a higher rate.
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02:07:55.000I've got several mainstream news articles here in front of me where the big consortium of central banks...
02:08:11.000...have gotten together publicly saying, we must have these new global taxes, we must stop the global warming, we must save the earth, it must happen now!
02:08:22.000And then you go back to the IMF and World Bank documents, you go back to the Club of Rome documents, they state, in fact, just on Monday, I was reading Richard N. Haas, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations, and the big Business Roundtable group here in the U.S.
02:08:42.000We need to say global warming is a unifying effect, organize the people around it, and that the real threat is humanity.
02:08:49.000This is their way of taxing and regulating and controlling your life.
02:08:52.000The entire solar system is heating up.
02:08:57.000When I had the heir to the Rothschild dynasty on during Live Earth last year, it's in my film Endgame, I said, well, why are Jupiter and Saturn and their moons heating up?
02:09:07.000And he said, because they're closer to the Sun than the Earth.
02:09:31.000And so what they do is they want to tax inert gases like carbon dioxide that's life-giving, and things like ozone, but they don't ever want to stop coal plants in Texas burning mercury coal.
02:10:03.000I've got one of the shorter bios here, but I'm not going to read the whole thing because we don't have time.
02:10:08.000He could tell you more about himself, but he has also published quite a few books, and a few of them pertain to the whole global warming Hoax that we're facing and that we're here looking at.
02:10:21.000And so I am very honored to have Howard C. Hayden on with us.
02:11:21.000I think they're getting away with this hoax because the public literally is in la-la land.
02:11:27.000Well, I think they are, and there are a couple things that are driving the hoax.
02:11:32.000One of them is that there are some scientists, and they are not, I repeat, not the majority, who are committed to the idea that global warming, A, is happening, and B, that we are responsible.
02:11:48.000There are some, and the media have turned it into quite a frenzy, but there is also a huge amount of Money driving this scenario.
02:12:01.000For example, I saw a huge billboard at Times Square last week that was advertising Gloom and Doom.
02:12:09.000It showed London under ocean waves in 2092, and it showed, let's see, what the heck was it, Beijing under desert dunes in a matter of, I don't know, 30, 40 years, something like that.
02:12:31.000And so I inquired what those billboards cost to run, and I don't have anything official on it yet, but it's somewhere around $700,000 a month.
02:12:43.000So where exactly is the money coming from that's advertising this?
02:12:48.000And my own presumption is, but I don't have any proof yet, but it's people who intend to cash in on the carbon credit trading.
02:13:01.000This was a scam that was started by Enron, and though Enron went under because of its own internal malice, let's call it, the scam lives on.
02:13:16.000So we have that going on, and there are people that stand to earn a tremendous amount of money by doing nothing more than buying and selling carbon credits.
02:13:27.000Well, it's the carbon credits, it's cap and trade, but they're talking about regulators in your house for adding new windows, or when you buy a home, social workers literally over all the farms and ranches.
02:13:40.000A reign of government terror, basically communism, but run by the big corporations where they administer it all.
02:13:47.000Well, take a look at that first word in cap and trade.
02:13:53.000Now, what Supreme Soviet decides exactly how much CO2 you or I or some given company or some given corporation or some given country is allowed to emit.
02:14:10.000And therein lies, let's say, a lot of control, to put it mildly.
02:14:21.000Well I've seen two mainstream news articles this week where the big consortium of banks are coming out saying, save the earth, we're all dead, give us this new global tax, and they now admit Now, we got the SPP documents from the Security Prosperity Partnership, and they said, well, they want a North American taxing grid.
02:14:41.000The Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported last week the government wants to put a transponder in every car in Texas, and if you complain, well, it's for the Earth!
02:15:01.000Just from the perspective of the books you've written on this, as a physicist, in layman's terms, for people to understand, why is their claim of man-made global warming a hoax?
02:15:12.000Well, it boils down to nothing more than a simple correlation, and that is that the Earth has been warming up, and CO2 emissions have been going up, and people see that there is some kind of a link between the two,
02:15:30.000Uh, and indeed, you have to go back, uh, about a century, about a century ago, a guy named Arrhenius, uh, had figured out, uh, that, uh, additional CO2 would cause some heating of the Earth.
02:15:45.000Now, it turned out that all his numbers were wrong, but the principle, uh, remains that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, but it is a minor greenhouse gas that lies way behind water vapor.
02:16:00.000Which lies way behind clouds, and furthermore, the thing that is not understood is that all of the carbon dioxide that goes into the atmosphere
02:16:16.000Every year that is put up there by humans, because we burn coal, we burn oil, we burn natural gas, all that CO2 we put into the air is no more than about 3% of the CO2 that goes into the air.
02:16:32.000And the other 97% comes from totally natural sources.
02:16:49.000And historically, when the oceans have warmed up because of, let's say, orbital and solar effects, when the Earth Those have caused the Earth to warm up, the oceans have subsequently warmed up, and then the CO2 has followed suit and increased in the atmosphere.
02:17:12.000Well, I mean, Al Gore in his film, Earth on the Balance, or Inconvenient Truth, his book and the film, he shows the graph, but he lies and puts the CO2 in red.
02:17:25.000Underneath the green for the warming trend, but in all the studies from all the universities and different sciences and different divisions, it all shows the same data, that about 600 years after heating, you then get carbon dioxide increasing, not carbon dioxide goes up, and then heat goes up.
02:17:47.000You are correct, but there was another time lag, and that is because the data that everybody refers to were taken in Vostok, which is fairly deep inland in Antarctica, where it is really very cold and they pull up ice cores, but the data points in that graph were about a thousand years apart.
02:18:12.000And it took more, you know, later research to sort of correlate things deep in Antarctica with things nearer the shore where the snow piles up faster and you have higher resolution to determine that really the CO2 did come after the temperature changes.
02:18:35.000So that, let's say, 30, 40 years ago, it was quite reasonable to assume How do they get that?
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02:24:37.000But we know that the Earth's changing all the time.
02:24:40.000The solar system's changing all the time.
02:24:42.000The moons of Saturn and Jupiter that were ice are melting.
02:24:46.000Up until just a few months ago, now the sun just cooled off, according to NASA and three other institutions that gauge how much energy it's putting off.
02:24:56.000Can you elaborate on that and then get back into the ice core, sir?
02:25:03.000Just to finish up about the ice cores, what they do is they just heat the ice core up or slice the ice core up and then they measure the gas that's in it, and they can tell how much CO2 is there.
02:25:17.000But, yeah, the sun has varied quite a bit over a period of time, and the Earth's climate has varied a whole lot.
02:26:03.000It was about 18,000 years ago when we were in the depths of the last Ice Age.
02:26:08.000But then we went through the Little Ice Age.
02:26:10.000In other words, things warmed up, and in the medieval warm period, which some people deny the existence of, Things are really quite jolly.
02:26:21.000We had nice warm weather and so forth, and then they cooled off in the Little Ice Age, and that was basically coincident with the cooling of the sun, and now it's begun to warm up, and the Little Ice Age ended somewhere around 1750.
02:26:42.000Now, you're one of the big experts on this, but I've interviewed literally probably 50 people on this subject.
02:26:47.000I've seen the great documentary they just put out in England, you know, debunking.
02:27:23.000How were they able to then engage in this hoax, and why did they decide to push this hoax?
02:27:31.000Well, I'm not too good on human motivations.
02:27:35.000I don't really understand human motivations, except some people are really driven by money.
02:27:41.000The thing that people are looking at is basically computer programs.
02:27:50.000They have the right computer programs, and they've actually got gloom and doom built into them.
02:27:58.000For example, There was a recent paper, and I can't give you the exact details on this thing, but it was published, and what it described was a positive feedback system whereby if we heated up the Earth a little bit by carbon dioxide, then that would kick in more water vapor into the air and heat up the Earth a whole lot more, and we're heading for Hell in a handbasket and so forth.
02:28:27.000And so the one chap who is really quite up on this thing studied that, and he took part of their computer program and just threw some random numbers in, and it showed that their program was guaranteeing a positive feedback.
02:28:46.000There was something wrong with their computer program.
02:28:49.000So, uh, he wrote a paper and sent it to the journal that had published that particular article.
02:28:57.000And, uh, they sent it on to the author, and the good news is that the author said, oh my gosh, you are right!
02:29:04.000So, anyway, uh, all of these scenarios about global warming are played out of people's computers, not in reality.
02:29:20.000And I saw in some of the reports they would enter into the computer that it was the CO2 that supposedly had this effect, and not the sun, and there would be two different, you know, responses from what reality would have shown.
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02:32:46.000Well, I appreciate our esteemed guest.
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02:33:17.000Professor Dr. Hayden, I kind of got caught short there on the break.
02:33:22.000The point I was trying to make was this, and I'm just reading the scholarly reports and seeing the news reports about it, so I'm a layman, so correct me, but say they'll have an ocean rising model and then they won't even feed in all these other things like the sun and even major weather patterns.
02:33:42.000They'll just feed in a basic equation of what will happen if, you know, CO2 is released and then they have it already built in the computer that CO2 will supposedly have enough of a climate driver to heat things up to make the ice caps melt and then we're going to be flooded.
02:34:03.000I mean that's an oversimplification or can you break down how they build these models to show this disaster?
02:34:11.000Well, one thing is they confuse the North Pole and the South Pole.
02:34:16.000The thing that determines conditions at the North Pole is primarily ocean currents.
02:34:25.000And, for example, there was a recent warming and a whole lot of ice just left.
02:34:32.000And the Arctic Sea, and then ocean currents changed, and right away it came back.
02:34:38.000It was the fastest rise known, but the records are short.
02:35:39.000But, just watching shows about polar bears and reading a few books to my kids over the years, I know that they'll swim a hundred miles, they get out on those flows and hunt beluga and hunt seals, but the news said they can't swim, they're dead, global warming did this, and I remember reading adventure books, history books about people investigating the South and North Pole, the Strait of Magellan, you know, hundreds of years ago, And how there were always giant icebergs the size of cities breaking off.
02:36:21.000Well, let me say something about the bears.
02:36:25.000They have survived, actually, very well.
02:36:31.000And for example, the polar bears go back a long, long time, about 120,000 years ago or something like that.
02:36:39.000There was another interglacial, and it was a good deal warmer than it is today, and there was hardly any ice up anywhere around the North Pole, and the polar bears survived that perfectly well at that time.
02:36:55.000I don't understand why they wouldn't survive it now.
02:36:59.000And in fact, the The polar bear populations are not decreasing.
02:37:03.000I think there is one, call it tribe of them, that's seen some decrease, but overall the total polar bear population has been either holding steady or slightly increasing.
02:37:18.000Yeah, I saw a press report that they're coming further south and that their numbers are higher.
02:37:29.000Well, I mean, it's this type of mindless hype.
02:37:31.000Now, since you've really studied what's happening with the sun, and I see so different, you know, all these different reports, but I remember five, six years ago seeing NASA reports about, look, we can see this moon's liquid sea of methane is melting due to the sun's increased output.
02:37:46.000Can you specifically get into the sun as a driver, or is it the main driver in what we've seen in the solar system?
02:37:53.000And is the sun now cooling, according to your studies, as NASA says it is?
02:37:58.000Yes, the sun is now cooling and the past 60 years have shown the highest solar activity in the last 1400 years.
02:38:12.000So, yes, the sun is now cooling, it has been warmer, and we can expect some cooling, but there's also some change in the ocean currents that's periodic, so that there is expected to be some cooling within the next decade or so.
02:38:31.000And the temperature history also shows that, that during the, well, since January 2001, The temperature of the Earth has basically held almost flat.
02:38:47.000It's rising at a 50th of a degree Celsius per decade at the present time.
02:38:55.000You know, you can't really predict from trends, but anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that the previous predictions about the horrendous warming that people expected have not come to pass.
02:39:17.000It seemed like they were trying to hedge their bet in that day-after-tomorrow propaganda film, where they explained that global warming means instant freezing and the destruction of New York by ice.
02:39:28.000And so now they're falling back to that, saying, yes, it's the global warming, now we're all going to freeze to death.
02:39:34.000I'm sure you've heard that newest thing.
02:40:01.000They had 1,800 people sign on, as you know, I'm telling the audience, this UN document a year or so ago, a year and a half ago, and now it's come out that a lot of them were just invited to the conference, never even signed on, but then saw their names.
02:40:15.000Uh, and then they cult-like say, there's no disagreement, it's 100%, all scientists agree, which kind of backfired on them because then they're coming out of the woodwork saying, I don't agree, I don't agree.
02:40:43.000It's the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
02:40:48.000And as it turned out, there's only about 52 climate scientists among the whole lot.
02:40:56.000And they, among themselves, were in considerable disagreement about things.
02:41:03.000And I know of at least one who sued to have his name taken off that list of people it signed.
02:41:11.000But there's quite another thing that's going on.
02:41:14.000Independently, there's a petition that was run out of Oregon, and there were 19,000 scientists who signed a statement saying that the global warming is certainly not proven and the science isn't up to it.
02:41:39.000And there's another petition that I I only know about sort of through back channels that has something like 29,000 signatures on it where people disagree with the IPCC scenario.
02:41:55.000And you notice that's never going to be in the news?
02:42:53.000If he could have named, say, a million dollars, they would have paid it.
02:42:56.000But no, no, he doesn't know this stuff very well, and he knows that any climate scientist on the planet can shoot him down because of his errors.
02:43:13.000But then there was a recent meeting of professional engineers up in Denver.
02:43:20.000This was the Colorado Professional Engineers and they decided to have a forum on global warming and they'd like to hear both sides of the issue.
02:43:28.000So they're right there in Denver near Boulder where NOAA is headquartered and NCAR, National Center for Atmospheric Care, is located, and so they said, okay, let's just find some of these people at NOAA and NCAR, Bragg, or part of this IPCC, and have them give a talk.
02:43:51.000And one of them said that it wouldn't be an appropriate forum.
02:43:54.000Now, mind you, professional engineers are the elite of engineers.
02:44:02.000And all the rest of them that they asked found better things to do.
02:44:37.000And so they say, OK, it's to save you.
02:44:39.000If you don't do this, you're going to die.
02:44:40.000It's kind of like, well, the U.N. has said they don't want to have war now as a unifying threat, so now they want to have the outside threat of the climate, the environment.
02:44:51.000You know, the witch doctors 5,000 years ago would con their tribe into giving them special lifestyles and status because they could predict when a solar eclipse or lunar was going to happen.
02:45:02.000It's like we're a bunch of ignorant savages, and they're just telling us ooga booga, the sun won't come back, You're going to die unless you give me all the power.
02:45:12.000I mean, can it, from a sociological perspective, or really from an anthropology view, doctor, be looked at in that way?
02:45:20.000Well, yeah, and I would add another example.
02:45:22.000Perhaps you've experienced this thing on your computer that you've logged onto some site on the web and then all of a sudden something some pop-up starts telling you that you've got some virus in your system or something and then you know you got you got to get some computer program to remove it and then every time you turn around you get this pop-up telling you you have to go get this stuff to get the junk out of your system
02:45:52.000well this is what we call extortion wear yes and and uh the the same thing is happening in the global warming scenario that people are basically extorting through fear uh...
02:46:10.000Well, that's my final point, Doctor, and it's this.
02:46:14.000Now I'm sure you've heard that government heads and others have called for our arrest.
02:46:18.000They're saying it's like Holocaust denial, that if you deny that there's global warming and that we need to fix it, that you need to be arrested because it's a crime against humanity.
02:46:30.000Well, I haven't heard the arrest part, but I certainly have seen the silencing part.
02:46:38.000Listen, you can Google that, and it's all over the British and German news, where they're saying that denying this is like denying the Holocaust and should be illegal.
02:47:17.000Well, I have a primer on CO2 and climate.
02:47:22.000It's available at baleslake.com, and it's available at Amazon also.
02:47:28.000Sales are running high on that, and I'll be coming out with a second issue, second edition pretty soon.
02:47:35.000And then another one is called the Solar Fraud Second Edition.
02:47:40.000The subtitle is, Why Solar Energy Won't Run the World.
02:47:43.000Well, they're clearly going for broke now.
02:47:45.000I mean, they don't care that they've been shown to be frauds.
02:47:48.000This being one of the coldest winters in modern times, though, the federal government even admitting that right now, globally, they're going to have trouble spinning this gloom and doom when every one of their conferences keeps getting blizzarded out.
02:48:01.000Well, actually, I look forward to having this whole thing quiet down and winding up with a bunch of unsold books because the thing has gotten out of people's minds and they're just not excited about it anymore.
02:48:15.000Well, I think we're starting to turn the corner.
02:48:17.000A lot of people who believed in it a year ago, when they saw the NFL pushing it and Bush even saying he was for it now, I think the massive corporate push, people went, wait a minute, wait a minute, something stinks.
02:48:32.000Well, yeah, I think so, but you have to be eternally vigilant because they're always out there and they're after your pocketbook.
02:48:41.000Oh, no, I agree that the fight's hot and heavy.
02:48:49.000Maybe that's why they're tripling and quadrupling.
02:48:51.000I mean, have you seen how they're just going wild?
02:48:53.000Do you think that's maybe they're getting desperate?
02:48:57.000Well, I think so, but by the way, I have written a paper once that was published in Nuclear News, and it advised the nuclear industry not to take on this global warming as an argument for nuclear, because nuclear has plenty of its own merits, and they should not rest a strong case on weak arguments.
02:49:26.000And I don't know if that had any influence on the nuclear community, but I am happy to say that they have been fairly circumspect about this issue.
02:49:38.000So, you know, they haven't joined that bandwagon.
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