Could there have been more than one shooter involved in the 1968 assassination of Sen. Robert Kennedy? Conspiracy theories have been floating around for decades, but new evidence has been presented this weekend at a forensics conference in Connecticut that points to the possibility that someone other than the shooter may have fired the fatal shot that killed RFK.
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00:00:15.000Could there have been more than one shooter involved in the 1968 assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy?
00:00:41.000RFK was shot in Los Angeles shortly after claiming victory in California's Democratic primary.
00:00:47.000The shooter, Sirhan Sirhan, is serving a life sentence for the assassination, but at a forensics conference this weekend in Connecticut, new theories he might not have fired the fatal shots.
00:01:06.000Well, actually it was a very interesting theory that was presented yesterday at this symposium, presented by a couple of scientists.
00:01:13.000So, of course, it was rather complicated and detailed.
00:01:15.000I'm going to try to simplify it for you a little bit.
00:01:18.000The scientists, two independent researchers, Dr. Robert Jolling and Philipp von Praag, forensic evidence experts, actually have been studying the Kennedy assassination separately.
00:01:30.000They never even met until last year when they met at a seminar and realized that their independent conclusions were almost perfectly matched.
00:01:38.000Now, Joling, what he was able to come up with by studying the forensics evidence was that Sirhan Sirhan could not have fired the fatal shot.
00:01:46.000And that's because, according to his findings, that fatal shot came from behind Senator Kennedy.
00:01:52.000And of course, witnesses all put Sirhan Sirhan face to face with Kennedy, about four to six feet away, so he would not have had the opportunity to shoot from behind.
00:02:02.000Now, Von Praag, what he studied was a little more complicated.
00:02:06.000He actually looked at the audio recording known as the Pruszynski recording, which was made by a Canadian journalist, actually inadvertently, who had left his tape recording on after recording Kennedy's victory speech, and then as he kind of followed the Kennedy entourage into the kitchen pantry there at the Ambassador Hotel, the tape was still rolling, rather.
00:02:29.000It is already Friday, the 28th day of March 2008.
00:02:34.000And we're going to be live here for the next three hours, and we have a jam-packed broadcast with three different big guests for you today.
00:02:44.000One of them is a surprise guest in the last 30 minutes of the show.
00:02:51.000We will obviously be talking more about RFK and how he was killed by the CIA today.
00:02:59.000Separately, NBC News, ABC News, and BBC ...have come out with separate evidence showing and proving the government killed RFK.
00:03:12.000And incidentally, on Sunday, on the Sunday edition show coming up in two days, 4 to 6 p.m.
00:03:17.000Central, I've got one of the highest level members of the Japanese Parliament, the Diet.
00:03:25.000He's the head of the second largest party in Japan.
00:03:29.000He's going to be joining us from Japan.
00:03:31.000I'll give you a heads up on that on the radio show Sunday.
00:03:37.000Jim is going to be joining us Sunday to talk about not just the murders of JFK, which has now been, for all intents and purposes, admitted.
00:03:50.000The guy running the operation, Deathbed Confession, the evidence just piles to the sun.
00:03:58.000Now, the official Los Angeles County coroner Said he'd been shot multiple times in the back, and that he'd been shot at close range, and there were even powder burns on his jacket.
00:04:10.000Sirhan Sirhan, with a different caliber, shot into the ceiling.
00:04:47.000And then they told the cattle that they didn't.
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00:09:45.000New video and photographic evidence that puts three senior CIA operatives at the scene of Robert Kennedy's assassination has been brought to light.
00:09:53.000So, this came out three or four days ago In the BBC and then a few days later in the US, they decide to focus on a scientific symposium where they have top forensic experts going over the fact that he was clearly shot in the back.
00:10:20.000But the evidence of top CIA officials being at the event, which we've always known, that's the bigger evidence.
00:10:32.000And then you have the forensics, the LA coroner, on record said he was shot in the back by a different caliber than what Sirhan Sirhan was shooting from the front.
00:10:44.000RFK, Robert Kennedy, was not shot in the front.
00:11:00.000And We Are Change questioned his son just a few weeks ago about E. Howard Hunt, the admitted Watergate chief, the admitted CIA section chief, the admitted individual that had overthrown scores of nations, on his deathbed said that he ran the operation to kill JFK.
00:11:28.000And in that same Rolling Stones article, he talked about how he wished and couldn't wait till Bobby was killed and then was real happy when he was killed.
00:13:53.000New video and photographic evidence that puts three senior C.I.A.
00:13:56.000operatives at the scene of Robert Kennedy's assassination has been brought to light.
00:14:00.000The evidence was shown in a report by Shane O'Sullivan broadcast on BBC Newsnight.
00:14:05.000It reveals that the operatives and four unidentified associates were at the Ambassador Hotel Los Angeles in the moments before and after the shooting on June 5th, 1968.
00:14:16.000had no domestic Justification, and some of the officers were based in Southeast Asia at the time with no reason to be in Los Angeles.
00:14:31.000Kennedy had just won the California Democratic primary on anti-war ticket and was set to challenge Nixon for the White House when he was shot in a kitchen pantry.
00:14:41.000A 24-year-old Palestinian Sirhan Sirhan was arrested as the lone assassin and notebooks at his house seemed to incriminate him.
00:14:52.000And then, of course, he was a mental patient who'd been under CIA doctor's care at facilities.
00:14:59.000And then everyone witnessed this gorgeous woman in the polka-dotted dress giving him the special coffee, clearly his handler.
00:15:06.000He goes into the amnesic, probably liquid, Halcyon-type drug.
00:15:11.000Total amnesic, they give it to you when they pull your wisdom teeth.
00:15:15.000You can tell someone as they're coming out of it what has happened to them, and they'll repeat it back to you.
00:15:21.000It's what you mainly are given in sedation dentistry.
00:15:24.000I mean, these are just simple drugs that have been around for 50 years that do this.
00:15:29.000He went and just saw her putting something in his drink.
00:15:32.000And then he walks in and starts shooting at the ceiling as he was programmed to do.
00:15:37.000Shooting, no, because it would have been a problem and more of an investigation if he'd have shot others missing.
00:15:41.000So he shoots up as he's ordered to, as he'd been carefully programmed to, and then Happily just goes with them and admits he did it all, and it's all incriminated, just like the hijackers' bags on repeated flights were the only bags that got stuck in the luggage machines.
00:16:03.000And their cars, and with their confessions, and their two passports fell out of the fireballs at the North and South Tower and fell to the ground and were found.
00:16:16.000It's of course it's all an accident, but now it's admitted CIA high-level black op commanders involved in Southeast Asian narcotics trafficking fly in and they're there.
00:16:29.000Of course witnesses said they saw one of these guys behind him pull a gun out and shoot him in the back, but it doesn't matter if you have witnesses that saw them shoot him in the back.
00:16:38.000It doesn't matter if you have the LA coroner saying he was shot in the back by different caliber.
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00:23:52.000The government tried to have mind control programs to create supermen, super soldiers.
00:24:11.000the They proved under drugs and hypnosis, they could take somebody who could bench press 400 pounds, they could bench press 1000 pounds.
00:24:19.000You know, somebody that could squat 500 pounds could squat 2000 pounds.
00:24:28.000Because the brain has an automatic switch in it, a governor.
00:24:32.000But stuff like born identity, born supremacy, born ultimatum, It doesn't create those type of super soldiers from the info that's leaked out and we've gotten.
00:24:42.000What it does create is screwed up, messed up people who will drive a truck in with a bomb in it and then come out and drool, or go into a school and shoot a bunch of people and then blow their own head off, or who will just sit... I mean, you would watch McVane in those interviews.
00:25:01.000He was completely drugged out, completely out of his gourd, with his mind control doctor sitting right beside him.
00:25:08.000Just like when our troops would get up and they would believe it in Vietnam and when North Korea would capture them, they would get up and believe and say America was evil and of course at the time it wasn't as evil as it is now and in a way it was but they in truth thought it was good before but now really believed it was bad and a few of them were hard to break and the famous cases of blinking with Morse code, torture, torture, torture.
00:25:56.000Or parents that beat their kids a lot.
00:25:58.000You'll see little kids that... You've been around people where they'll move to comb their hair or move to put their glasses on and the kid flinches?
00:26:10.000If you're a puppy training a dog, and you've just got the newspaper, and you're barely even whacking them with it, but you know, it's just to train them, they see a magazine, they get upset.
00:26:32.000They've moved on where they can have a rat, a cockroach, a human, with electrodes, uh, not talk, according to the stuff that's declassified, I'm sure they can now, but what we know, 20 years ago, because they declassified every few decades, is they can hook wires into your head with remote control and have you walk around, shoot guns, drive cars, they can hit a button, make you urinate, make you fall asleep, make you vomit, make you feel euphoric.
00:27:17.000Or when they say the happy word, when the drugs are taken off and the opiates are given to you and you feel okay, when they say that key word, you're going to feel great.
00:27:28.000And so here I am, spent 20 minutes on this, but it's an important subject, and now I've digressed and I've got so many guests coming up, I don't know how I'm going to get to all of this now.
00:27:44.000But you can go to PrisonPlanet.com, Infowars.com, and read, CIA Role Claiming Kennedy Killing, and then just come out and admit, page after page, that the government basically killed him.
00:27:53.000And there's a whole other NBC report from the forensics admitting the government killed him, but... Here's the other type of news we have.
00:28:03.000Defense Secretary Gates orders inventory of U.S.
00:28:05.000nukes because they're getting flown here, they're getting flown here, they're lost there.
00:28:10.000They're putting all this out now for a reason.
00:28:16.000They wouldn't be letting these stories out of fuses going to the wrong place and nukes going to the wrong place.
00:28:21.000There wasn't a reason and something stinks.
00:28:24.000And all I can say is heaven help us because these people don't just cold-bloodedly kill, they like to kill.
00:28:29.000So Defense Secretary Robert Gates has ordered a full inventory of nuclear weapons and related materials after a mistaken delivery of ballistic missile fuses to Taiwan, the Pentagon said Thursday.
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00:33:28.000All of us are brothers and sisters together.
00:33:30.000No matter where you live across the planet, we love liberty, we hate tyranny, we love decency and honor and the average person being able to live their life without some parasite feeding on you.
00:34:30.000We still feel like other people aren't aware of it.
00:34:33.000That final illusion is starting to collapse, though, and as it collapses, it will fall that much faster.
00:34:39.000I'm going to talk more about that in a moment.
00:34:43.000But now, getting back to airport security, they hire these poor folks for eight, ten bucks an hour, and you go to some airports, and they're nice, they're friendly, they're professional, But you go to others and it is just a culture of abuse.
00:35:07.000I have witnessed with my own eyeballs at the San Francisco airport some group called Wolverine Security.
00:35:21.000They were wearing kind of bright blue Cobra Commander type battle dress fatigues.
00:36:36.000And I've been in airports, I've been to the Austin Airport, where some guy was reading a book that looked like something out of 1984, it was a black covered book with white lettering saying, it said, How Someone Becomes a Terrorist.
00:36:53.000And so to keep those guys going and not completely bored, they'll ban lighters, they'll ban matches, then later it's fluids, then later it's how much fluids you can have.
00:37:30.000But soon it'll be, you don't have to have a job, you don't have to drive a car, you don't have to... Very soon you get on the road and you're not paid up and don't have your national ID card in order, the car will turn off.
00:37:39.000Bare minimum, the cameras will scan your license plate and the police will be dispatched.
00:37:43.000That's official and that's the new system.
00:37:52.000But people say it's ridiculous, the TSA is stupid, the government are morons.
00:37:57.000Well, the guys and gals that believe all this is for security are morons, but the Pavlovian psychological warfare experts know this is part of your journey into slavery.
00:38:12.000And if you can be made to remove your piercings from your breast, If you can be made to remove piercings from other places, I won't mention.
00:38:22.000If you can be made to have women and men, and there's been a lot of cases of this in the news, where the men like to, and I've seen it, good looking women are in trouble.
00:38:29.000I mean, if you're a perv, it's where you get a job.
00:38:32.000It's been like that throughout history.
00:38:35.000Pregnant women are made to pull up their shirts and show their bellies in front of people, and then the woman cries, so they arrest her.
00:38:43.000The husband complains, so they beat him up.
00:39:09.000And so, it's about making you do things that are stupid and ridiculous.
00:39:13.000I saw a report Monday I never covered out of the London Telegraph just type buses must stop every 30 minutes under EU rules and the European Union makes all buses stop every 30 minutes and everyone must get off to make sure the bus driver doesn't fall asleep.
00:39:38.000See they take something that sounds reasonable But then they set international laws under it, and once you're trained to do something that sounds reasonable but is really ridiculous, then you'll follow any other orders.
00:39:52.000You know, I was on Talk Sport Monday for two hours, and I was listening to ads run by the government, by the EU, Saying, you know, stop every 30 minutes, be safe.
00:40:09.000This causes hundreds of deaths a year, people falling asleep, and it does.
00:40:12.000I thought, there's some government angle to this.
00:40:15.000So while the show was going, I googled new rules on drivers sleeping.
00:40:25.000And then all this stuff came up where the police are watching, they stop the bus every 30 minutes, everybody gets off.
00:40:32.000It's about Being micromanaged, totally controlled, and then once the silliness is set, once the silly precedent is set, everything else can flow.
00:40:43.000So once you've been trained to take your shoes off, and be fondled, and take piercings out, and put the borders wide open, and they give illegal aliens any IDs they want, and the government accepts consular matricular cards, on its face it's a fraud.
00:41:00.000It's not about keeping you safe from the boogeyman.
00:41:06.000And I know I've made this point, everybody's made this point, but we need to write articles about this, we need to point out this basic psychology so people understand, because they keep saying it's so dumb.
00:41:16.000Explosive experts go on the news and say, well it would take several hours with chemicals that they're talking about to go in the bathroom and make these explosives, and then they wouldn't be very high-powered explosives.
00:41:28.000You know, first it's you've got to drink out of the water.
00:43:07.000Not telling you this is going right to, not even the police who still have some due process, but to the other tier, the Social Worker Guild they set up a hundred years ago to carry out eugenics.
00:44:23.000Mandy Hamlin, 37, is demanding a civil rights investigation as well as an apology from federal security agents after being forced to remove a nipple ring before boarding a flight from Lubbock to Dallas in Texas.
00:44:40.000Hamlin said she was scammed by a Female Transportation Security Administration agent using a handheld detector that beeped when it passed in front of her chest.
00:44:48.000Then it goes into how they drug her behind closed doors, made her pull it out with pliers, Laughed at her.
00:44:54.000And you know what it was like to take my shoes off?
00:45:00.000Walk over where thousands of people had walked with all their athlete's foot, all their germs?
00:45:04.000Somebody ought to make an issue of that to try to stop it.
00:46:34.000And the grandsons of the people that financed it all run the nation.
00:46:39.000And so they make a big deal about this in the news.
00:46:42.000So see, when you're just having to have your shoes off and be in question, you won't feel as bad, because after all, they make women take their piercings out.
00:49:37.000This is an article that needs to get out to everybody.
00:49:39.000Calls for a new 9-11 inquiry are reaching a crescendo with well-respected authorities and celebrities alike adding their voices to the cause as the official 9-11 story crumbles under the weight of revelations of White House ties, 9-11 Commission, and other cover-ups on behalf of authorities staffed with investigating the attacks.
00:49:58.000The corporate media's insistence of ignoring hundreds of professional experts who are calling for a new 9-11 investigation has spurred many celebrities to use their public platforms to speak out, knowing that the press will at least have to address the issue.
00:50:16.000Because they are so celebrity obsessed.
00:50:19.000The latest to do so is top comedian Margaret Cho.
00:50:23.000Who told the Alex Jones Show yesterday that the public were going to become very angry when it was fully disclosed that the attacks were a conspiracy, concurred with fellow comedian George Carlin, who also questioned the official story last year.
00:50:38.000And then it just goes through the prime ministers, the presidents, the CIA section chiefs, the engineers, the physicists.
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00:55:00.000And we have BBC coming out with a three-year investigation with photos and film of four top CIA operatives from Southeast Asia there around him, and that's what the witnesses saw and reported that one of these guys shot him in the back.
00:55:15.000It's been declassified that Israel attacked the USS Liberty on purpose.
00:55:20.000Chicago Tribune, Associated Press, never got any news after that.
00:55:34.000They staged the thing a few months ago where they claimed the Iranians were driving up in little motorboats saying we're gonna blow you up.
00:56:23.000Everything I do is to stop that next attack.
00:56:25.000The reason I went public before 9-11 and predicted it was because I saw them preparing the public to carry out the attack.
00:56:32.000I've always said we have to take false flag terrorism, that mechanism, their favorite tool, their favorite weapon, and we have to totally expose it and render it useless.
00:56:42.000And we've done that partially, but we haven't gone far enough.
00:56:49.000The 9-11 Truth Movement is the heart Of stopping the globalists and their problem reaction solution, Hegelian dialectic.
00:57:01.000If we do not have a universal understanding of that, and a universal discrediting of the private corporations that own and run the majority of the world's governments, and are mopping up the last few they don't right now, to focus in on exterminating the majority of humanity, and that's their statement not mine, If we do not expose their favorite tool, they're going to continue to beat the brush, to drive us out into the open, so that they can have their way with us.
00:57:28.000Ancients would beat drums, set fires, drive the elephants, the mammoths, the mastodons, over the cliffs, and then they could butcher them and have enough food for the winter.
00:57:41.000That's how they were extinct, most archaeologists and anthropologists, archaeologists believe.
00:57:50.000Just how they hunt pheasant in England today.
00:57:53.000They have beaters a few miles away get in a line and then they start beating and they come in kind of in a wedge, a V, and then they push out the birds at one point and hundreds will come flying out.
00:58:09.000Now we're not pheasants and we're not elephants.
00:58:13.000Though elephants are magical creatures and very intelligent, they are not able to understand And they were made extinct, that form of pachyderm.
00:58:24.000Now ladies and gentlemen, we're humans, we can fight back against these bad humans.
00:58:29.000They hit us with fluoride, tried to get the upper hand, but it's not working.
01:00:03.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:00:07.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:00:11.000We're going to be talking to a guest who runs a little newspaper up in Maine, but he did more than all the mainstream media has done combined.
01:00:40.000He went out and investigated the larger ramifications of an announcement made a month ago of The Canadian and U.S.
01:00:54.000military saying that they will use each other's foreign troops on domestic soil.
01:01:05.000But before we go any further, I wanted to just play this clip because I've come across it and somebody sent it to me again.
01:01:13.000This is earlier this year, Sarah Taylor, former White House political director, And you hear Bush say, my government, my government, and you hear Cheney say, I don't care what 80% of the public want.
01:01:32.000You get your input every four years, we can do whatever we want.
01:01:35.000We can torture, we can torture kids, we can take your Bill of Rights, we can legalize illegals, we can go after your guns.
01:02:03.000If you really read the debates when it was all founded and set up, the executive is told what to do with the laws, basically, by the Congress.
01:02:12.000And then the court sits there and referees between the two.
01:02:17.000Because you have the greatest separation of powers in the Congress.
01:02:20.000At the time, senators were Elected by the legislatures they were sent by the state's creatures of the states, but look I Don't want to confuse everybody with the facts.
01:02:29.000Let's just play her basically saying George Bush is God You ready with the Sarah Taylor clip John That's the Yes, that's the clip all right there we go I was looking over my notes during the break, Ms.
01:02:53.000Taylor, and I was really struck by one of your answers.
01:03:02.000I don't know the answer to your question.
01:03:04.000I will say, Senator, I was a deputy assistant to the president.
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01:08:03.000Dave Duchesne is our guest for the next 25 minutes.
01:08:10.000I was aware of his work, but I heard him on Pastor Butch Paw Show, 8 o'clock central last night, driving along down the highway, here in Austin, back to work.
01:08:34.000If you take my film, 9-11, The Road to Tyranny, we have the Washington Post in there and other news articles where it said, Mexico to Canadian troops will be used during emergencies in the U.S.
01:08:48.000Then NORTHCOM, when it was officially established, signed deals with them.
01:08:52.000They've used Mexican and Canadian troops, put out fires.
01:09:23.000You see Blackwater and other security at the airports up there searching Canadians coming in.
01:09:30.000We had, in the last month, the CFR and several other big think tanks Come out and call for a North American Union, first merging the border regions in the Great Lakes, just like the border regions of Mexico have already been merged under Agenda 21.
01:09:55.000We're going into the North American Union, just like Governor Ridge, former Homeland Security head, we played A tape where he admitted that they want a national ID card, but he said it's not really that, it's a national driver's license, but it is a national ID card.
01:10:07.000So they say, well we want to integrate the countries, but we don't want to merge them.
01:10:51.000But he decided to actually go interview one of the generals involved in this merger.
01:10:55.000He decided, and in fact he helped ferret it out and really get the mainstream media to report on it, and he decided to really talk to the local governments who had no idea, the governors, the governors aren't included in this, and he is the publisher and also the editor of the Fort Fairfield Journal.
01:11:15.000Got a link to that up on Infowars.com.
01:11:29.000Okay, well thank you for coming on the show with us, sir.
01:11:33.000I heard you last night, you were really informative.
01:11:35.000You've got the floor for the next 20 minutes or so.
01:11:37.000Just as simply as you can, tell us the basics of what's happened.
01:11:41.000How would you, with your little publication, help push this out further into the open, and then your meeting with the General, and what we're actually facing?
01:11:49.000Okay, Alex, a couple of weeks ago I ran a story, as WorldNetDaily did and a few other independents online, about the civil assistance plan signed by the generals of USNorthCom slash NORAD and CanadaCom in Fort Sam Houston, Texas, down your way.
01:12:12.000And I thought, okay, I'll run the story, and I ran it as a North American Union military story.
01:12:20.000And then I thought to myself, wouldn't it be interesting to find out what our local emergency management director has to say about it at the county level?
01:12:28.000And I said, well, I'm questioning him.
01:12:31.000Maybe I'll write a letter to the county sheriff.
01:12:33.000So I got letters together for our Aroostook Emergency Management, which is our county management agency.
01:12:43.000And I mailed one off to our county sheriff and then one to our secretary of state.
01:12:49.000Next thing you know, the letters started going up the chain of command, and they wound up all the way to our state capitol in Augusta.
01:12:56.000And I was then putting in contact with Robert McAleer, our state emergency management director, who had no idea that this civil assistance plan was signed three weeks previous at the time.
01:13:11.000This was about the first of March when I started querying them.
01:13:15.000Next thing you know, I'm getting a call from our State Adjutant General, a General Bill Libby.
01:13:21.000He's a Major General, so that's two stars.
01:13:23.000And he's in charge of our State National Guard.
01:13:25.000He had no idea that this had occurred, and it took about a week for them to finally get a copy of the agreement from NORTHCOM, so that they could even review it to comment on it.
01:13:38.000Because I had a series of questions that I was really interested in having answered, and What I got from them was, we really want to answer your questions, but we have no idea what the Civil Assistance Plan is, because we never heard of it.
01:13:51.000Well, they finally did get a copy of it, and I did get a chance to meet with General Libby, and I think he was very honest and sincere and forthright in trying to answer my questions, but he didn't answer them.
01:14:08.000And he didn't answer them simply because the Civil Assistance Plan I wasn't addressing some of the things that I had concerns about.
01:14:15.000One of the concerns was, will the Canadian troops be required to swear oath of allegiance to the United States or the U.S.
01:14:24.000Constitution in the event that they are used in this country?
01:14:28.000Well, I want to go through all that, but I want to go back here and make it clear in your articles very scholarly.
01:14:37.000And covering the law, covering the agreement, that's been very secretive.
01:14:42.000The governors, the Congress of the United States, they have not been included in this.
01:14:47.000And this is part of the Continuity of Government Plan under PDD 51 that Bush has told the Homeland Security Committee of the House and Senate they can't see.
01:14:57.000Now, again, the Speaker of the House is at the same level of the President.
01:15:01.000The leader of the Senate is at the same level.
01:15:04.000When you come to power in the three branches of government, they are equal.
01:15:11.000Bush is saying no, and even in the declassified short version of PDD 51, the accompanying executive order, Bush says, Congress, you don't run anything anymore.
01:15:23.000This is a declaration of Führer-like powers.
01:15:28.000And I played the former White House political director, Sarah Taylor, earlier, saying she swears an oath to Bush, not to America.
01:15:40.000Yeah, and I think I got that from the interview, and I think General Libby was in a roundabout way figuring that out, too, because he said, well, don't worry, the state governor and the Adjutant Generals of the various states, they're the ones who have to request the use of foreign troops through NORTHCOM.
01:16:06.000That's correct, and I showed him I showed him section 1068 of the 2008 National Defense Authorization Act.
01:16:13.000I had a copy of it right in front of me, and we read it word for word, and it says, the President shall use, and the words are, the militia, armed forces, or both, or by any other means, and shall take such measures as he considers necessary.
01:16:29.000And I said, General Libby, that says President.
01:17:24.000And just as he got done saying, well, don't worry, it's just going to be the governors and attorneys generals inviting them in, I said, well, I made the point that you just admitted, General, that you weren't included in the discussions on this plan.
01:17:38.000So you weren't included on the discussions, you weren't advised that it even occurred, and you expect them to let you invite in the Canadian troops on a plan that they went around your back on.
01:17:53.000And there was pretty much silence in the room then.
01:17:56.000We, of course, had to move on, but I wanted to know things like, will the Canadians, or, and I said essentially it's foreign military, so I referred a lot to the foreign military, will they be allowed to carry arms in our country?
01:18:10.000Because he had said, General Levy had said, well, don't worry, they're not going to be here for law enforcement.
01:18:15.000Just right after I showed him Section 1068 of the NDAA, I said, okay, if they're not going to be here for law enforcement, are they going to be armed?
01:18:24.000And he says the Civil Assistance Plan is silent on that question.
01:18:32.000It is not silent because in earlier agreements between NORTHCOM and in mainstream news reports and NORTHCOM press releases, they've said for civil emergencies and to deal with terrorists And they have trained, and I've been to Urban Warfare Drills, where they train with foreign troops for operations in the US.
01:18:52.000And I said, furthermore, I'd like to know who these foreign troops are, who's going to be their command structure, if and when they are deployed in the state.
01:19:02.000And I was speaking specifically from a state of Maine level, because I'm talking to the Maine Adjutant General, and I said, if Canadian troops are in our state, I would like to know who's in charge of them.
01:19:14.000And he said, well, there's an understanding that they would be reporting to the state's Adjutant Generals when assisting in pre-known events, such as security at sports events.
01:19:24.000But for other unpredicted events, there's an ongoing discussion of who the troops will actually work for.
01:19:28.000So essentially, we don't know who they work for.
01:19:33.000For training Pavlovian conditioning, they'll be at sporting events to search small children and widows and old people and people with oxygen tanks to train the slaves to have a military presence around them.
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01:24:10.000Dave, continuing in the brief time that we've got, other key points that's in the two articles you've done or the new info you're coming out with, you've got the floor.
01:24:21.000Okay, the main concern that I had was if we have a shortage of manpower and we need extra troops and our National Guard is called away or there isn't enough of them, I asked General Libby to comment on our main State Guard, because as you've mentioned in the past on your show, That various states do have their own state guard, which is a separate, standalone entity from the National Guard.
01:24:46.000And in Maine, our state guard is codified at Maine Revised Statutes, Title 37B, Sections 221 to 225, I believe it is.
01:24:56.000And it essentially says that the Maine State Guard is empowered by the governor.
01:25:02.000It is made up of the militia, and it does use the word militia, ages 18 to 45 years of age.
01:25:08.000And it is to be equipped, it is to be uniformed and share the same military rank as the Army, the U.S.
01:25:15.000Army, but it is not to be used in federal service.
01:25:19.000It is not to be used outside of the borders of the state.
01:25:22.000And it was originally formed during World War II when our National Guard was sent overseas, activated, sent overseas.
01:25:30.000We wanted a guard unit still in the state, so we formed the Maine State Guard.
01:26:35.000So issue one is that he's acting as a dictator, saying he runs and owns and they all, they even have a new, they've added on, they still have the old oath, but they've added on one to him now, in the military.
01:26:51.000And his chiefs of staff and people literally say they worship him, they follow him.
01:26:55.000His White House memos say that law comes from him.
01:28:14.000And I think they were a little put off by the fact that they weren't even included in this discussion.
01:28:20.000He said he would have at least liked to have been forewarned that they had this civilizations plan going, so that when somebody like me from the press comes to him, he'd have some intelligent answers to give.
01:28:33.000And he gave me some answers, and I don't think he was lying to me, because he did call me.
01:28:43.000So, he reached out to me, and I respect him for that, but it was almost like his hands were tied as to what he could reveal or what he couldn't reveal.
01:28:56.000Now, on record, you met with this two-star Brigadier General, or Major General, in charge of what area?
01:29:15.000I want to do two or three minutes on the other side.
01:29:20.000Because you pointed out to him, PDD 51, you pointed out that... And I want to specifically get what his response was, even his body language to that.
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01:33:08.000We're going to go back to the Fort Fairfield Journal publisher and editor.
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01:36:01.000Okay, going back to the Fort Fairfield Journal writer and editor who put the story out, North American Union military forges new Canadian alliance, Canadian military to assist in civilian law enforcement duties in the United States.
01:36:19.000He went and met with One of the top generals over all this who wasn't even aware of what was happening.
01:36:25.000In closing, what happened when you brought up the fact that under the executive orders under PDD 51 that the states didn't have any authority and that the president claimed all authority and that Congress didn't have authority?
01:36:40.000Well, I addressed that question with him this way.
01:36:42.000I explained to him the NDAA and I showed him how it says It uses the words insurrection, and it says if that opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States.
01:36:55.000And I said, General Libby, there's a law in the United States called Real ID that Maine has said they're not going to follow.
01:37:01.000And I told him, I said, I'm not sitting here making pretend that the president is going to, or even implying the president's going to come into the state with his troops or Canadian troops and force us to take Real ID.
01:37:13.000But I said, you know, we live in a very strange and fluid and unpredictable world where events happen.
01:37:20.000And an event may happen in this state which the feds can then capitalize on and use that as a precursor and as an excuse to bring their troops in.
01:37:30.000So, supposing something were to happen and we bring the troops in, we've got some foreign troops in here now, and they decide they're going to start exercising law enforcement, they're going to take over our police legislature or even our governor's office, What measures are in place to prevent that from happening, given the fact that if we brought in these foreign troops, we admittedly don't have enough people in state to handle it now.
01:37:55.000He simply said the plan doesn't address that question.
01:38:31.000There are some states that don't have them in their statute yet, but there are certainly enough of them that people can put some pressure on their legislators and their governors to Consider seriously the use of their own state's guards as opposed to national guards.
01:38:46.000And prevent foreign troops from being used in their state.
01:39:46.000We're really blessed to have somebody like...
01:39:49.000Steve Shank will come on the show with the J. Michael Stevens Group, who is the longest continually operating storeable food company in the nation, to give us the inside scoop on what's happening with food shortages, laws, the grabbing of the family farms under Animal ID and Premise Society.
01:40:04.000I mean, it's all happening now, and it dovetails with what we were just talking about.
01:40:16.000these things that you're talking about with troops and everything...
01:40:20.000We had an interesting news break just recently.
01:40:23.000There are two ways that countries can use their military.
01:40:27.000And most people think when it comes down to food and those issues, that what's going to happen, and what has happened in so many countries where they've had starvation and riots, Is that the military goes in and cordons off the storage area for food and protects the food from the people.
01:41:05.000I've been doing some calculating, and I've been watching what's going on, and just in the last week, Alex, we've had some very interesting things break.
01:41:13.000In Taiwan, the farmers are guarding their fields 24 hours a day because of the shortage of rice and the theft of rice right straight out of the fields.
01:41:25.000In Egypt, they're having potential riots, and the army has been put to work baking bread to avoid the riots.
01:41:55.000Basically, we got a lot of Christians out there, and they've been reading the book of Revelations, and we've got the template for this whole thing, including the New World Order's attack on food, right there in the story of Joseph.
01:42:06.000The fascinating thing is that what most people don't read about that is, you know, the famine was supposed to be seven years.
01:42:15.000Well, and it was seven years, but in the first year, the people gave up of the famine, the people gave up their money.
01:42:22.000In the second year they gave up their cattle.
01:42:25.000In the third year they came and they said, we have nothing left except our land and ourselves.
01:42:33.000And in the 47th verse it says, I have bought you this day and your land for the Pharaoh.
01:42:43.000Believe me, the Christians can read the book of Revelations, but the other side has read it, and they've followed the pattern, and that's where it is.
01:42:52.000Now we've got... I figure it this way, Alex.
01:42:56.000January of 2008 was the last month That the people in this nation had to decide and to choose whether they believed all of the sky is falling information that you and I and many of the other pundits in the subject have given out, whether they believed it and whether they were going to act it or not.
01:43:22.000Because as of February, the riots all over the world for food have started.
01:43:30.000We are in the third year of this famine and if you'll notice back in Joseph's time they didn't have to go all seven years before the people were in bondage as a result of their need to have food The fact is that we're in the third year, and the rioting in various countries has started over food.
01:43:52.000Now, five years ago, there was a statement made by one of the executives in Homeland Security, and this was kind of off the record, a quiet statement that said, we need 400,000 to a million well-trained urban control troops to deal with food rioting.
01:44:15.000Now let me tell you what's happening right now.
01:44:20.000You see, back in January of this year, Alex, people had still a choice.
01:44:26.000The vast majority that were kind of snickering and laughing at those of us that were nuts and their friends and neighbors, the few that were putting in food supplies, and they had the choice at that time.
01:44:40.000To kind of believe it or not believe it and say, well, yeah, it's in the future.
01:45:38.000But let's take something like food that is scarce and let's compare it to other circumstances.
01:45:45.000Do you realize those farmers guarding their fields is an arch type of what we're going to be dealing with?
01:45:53.000Do you realize that right now, right this minute, Alex, the people that we have packing the food for us are building a compound in which to store the food that we're encouraging and working and gathering funds to buy ahead so that they can pack it for people to put in their storage.
01:46:14.000That will have concertina wire around the top of it, and I've made contact with a man who is an extreme expert in security, and those storage areas for the food that we will be packing for the families that call in today, tomorrow, and the next day or until and those storage areas for the food that we will be packing for the families We're storing food under guard, under alarm systems that would make a bank look silly.
01:46:45.000Well, Steve, I want to stop right there.
01:46:48.000We do have, on average, food prices up about 30%.
01:46:52.000We do have many grains more than doubling.
01:46:55.000And we do have serious, you know, talk of recession, depression, hyperinflation.
01:47:00.000To me, it's just a good insurance policy, and I've always had storable foods the last 12 years or so, to have high-quality, dried foods, because they store well, last a long time.
01:47:09.000And I know in third-world countries, they're having some food riots, and this is all Unprecedented, what's going on.
01:48:22.000Farmers used to be able to replant their seeds, and now we have the seed repository where that mother seed is being stored, and the farmers are given only seed that they can plant the next year.
01:48:51.000Well, that's absolutely true, but let's follow this a little bit.
01:48:57.000One of the things that happens in any scarce item is as soon as it starts to be scarce,
01:49:03.000As soon as we realize, well, I've told you before, Alex, that the warehouse that packs the food for the J. Michael Stevens Group that has shipped out the food that you've received and that a whole bunch of listeners have ordered and are presently ordering in large quantities, they were contacted by the three largest grain suppliers in the West
01:49:28.000Asking if they would sell back to them some grain so that they could fill their schedules.
01:49:35.000Flour, this coming month, is going to be rationed to bakeries and some of the independent grocery stores by some of the huge distribution organizations in the country.
01:49:49.000But what happens when you have something go scarce?
01:49:58.000I mean, the poor people in this country live... One of the reasons that 60% of the population is overweight is that when people run out of money to pay their bills and buy groceries, the only place that they can cut it back is in their groceries, and so they buy cheaper and cheaper food.
01:50:16.000They buy spaghetti, and they buy rice, they buy They buy noodles, they buy hot ramen, because that will fill their bellies.
01:50:29.000It makes them fat, and we are the most overfed, undernourished nation in the world.
01:50:34.000That's right, it's just nothing but sugar.
01:50:38.000You see, half of the Social Security check value has been cut in the last four years.
01:50:44.000Now, as food prices explode, that's why you get the food riots.
01:50:48.000Not of lack of food, but that the increase in price.
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01:55:07.000It's a fraction of what the supermarkets cost.
01:55:09.000Tell folks about some of the packages and finish up that important point you were making.
01:55:14.000Well, the packages are based on one year, and they're all well-balanced.
01:55:20.000And the objective is to get as much food into family homes as possible while they can still get it.
01:55:25.000You see, Alex, we've got a foot race going.
01:55:28.000You've all heard the old thing about there's a foot race as to whether one event will occur before the other one.
01:55:33.000The two events are very simple, and they both have the possibility of occurring very soon.
01:55:39.000One is where a large percentage of the population, food prices will go so high that a large percentage of the population will not be able to afford it.
01:55:50.000And the other alternative is that the food will disappear and there will be nothing at any price.
01:55:54.000I wanted to cover just the path that scarce items follow.
01:56:00.000We have a dependency on food and anytime something becomes scarce, in this case food, You go through several steps.
01:56:21.000When investors realize that the item is scarce, food is scarce, wheat is being bought up by investors right now and being held just like gold is for the time when they can resell it and make huge profits.
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01:56:41.000The next step after the investors is when the criminal element concludes that there is really money to be made if they go in and steal it.
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02:00:33.000Our next guests are so prestigious that if I tried to go over all of their letters it would take 10 hours.
02:00:40.000But I'm sure you've seen the BBC, I'm sure you've seen NBC, we played some of it in the first of the show.
02:00:45.000Talking about how the forensic evidence from some of the leading experts in the world is at a big symposium.
02:00:51.000Proving that Sirhan Sirhan isn't the one that shot RFK when he won the nomination, basically locked it up out in California in 68.
02:00:59.000Now, remember the coroner in LA said he'd been shot in the back with a different caliber from what Sirhan Sirhan was shooting from the front.
02:01:07.000And so, this just adds evidence to it.
02:01:10.000But, right now on the line, we have Phillip Van Praag, and he's got a master's degree in engineering, electrical, And it just goes on and on.
02:01:22.000I mean, the best way is for Mr. Pragg to give us his credentials, what he thinks most important, and then get into the evidence.
02:01:30.000And we're still lining up his colleague, Dr. Robert Jolling.
02:01:36.000Mr. Pragg, please give us your credentials so I don't spend ten hours covering them.
02:01:42.000Well, you covered part of it, basically.
02:01:46.000Audio engineering for over 40 years, was a senior instructor at Ampex Corporation, just been involved in many different audio related tasks, and over the last three years have been analyzing the so-called Pruszynski recording, which is the only known recording of the actual shooting that took place there in the kitchen pantry at the Ambassador Hotel.
02:02:18.000Now, you've analyzed this recording, and you just had a big symposium that garnered national news attention, and a lot of other experts were there as well.
02:02:30.000And the report I've got is that you separately came up with your findings, and then you talked to your colleague, Dr. Robert Jolling, and that basically your info meshed together.
02:02:44.000The symposium this week was at the Dr. Henry C. Lee Institute of Forensic Science, which is an adjunct to the University of New Haven.
02:02:53.000And with regard to Dr. Joling, he and I met each other actually about a year ago, and this was in conjunction with a Discovery Times Channel documentary that was being filmed at that time.
02:03:09.000And both he and I participated in that.
02:03:13.000And during that particular program, my first two discoveries related to the analyzing of the Przezinski recording were brought out.
02:03:25.000And since that time, there's been a third discovery.
02:03:28.000And that third discovery was announced at the annual international convention of the A.A.F.S.
02:03:35.000American Academy of Forensic Sciences in Washington, D.C.
02:03:39.000Now, all of this is separate from this week.
02:03:42.000At the same time breaking, BBC three-year investigation, four prominent CIA black-op commanders photographed and seen there at the Ambassador.
02:03:52.000This is really starting to get suspicious.
02:03:56.000Well, the approach that Dr. Joling and I have taken, and of course there's just the limited amount of time that two people have on this, we've focused our attention.
02:04:07.000Dr. Joling certainly, with regard to the physical evidence in this case, he's been involved with it literally from the beginning, met with The coroner, chief medical examiner, Dr. Robert Noguchi, as early as February of 69.
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02:08:05.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
02:08:10.000Well, Philip Van Praagh has worked with Dr. Robert Joling NBC calls them two of the leading experts in the world in their two respective fields.
02:08:27.000And the guest we have on right now, Philip Van Praagh's involvement in the audio field has spanned 45 years of forensic analysis of magnetic media recordings, including over 35 over those years.
02:08:40.000The context of his involvement in the field has been embodied both within the professional career and the result of ongoing independent research.
02:08:47.000And Dr. Joling, since right after the assassination, conferred with the coroner who said he was shot in the back, not from the front, different caliber.
02:08:58.000Why do you think it's starting to break now, starting to come out, Philip Van Praag?
02:09:03.000Well, I think there's a couple of factors.
02:09:05.000First, of course, we're approaching the 40th anniversary of the assassination, and that, I guess, has drawn media attention to it.
02:09:15.000Secondly, beginning last year with the discoveries that I have made and the first two of those being aired on the Discovery Times Channel documentary, That has also brought some focus on it.
02:09:28.000And moreover, with the third discovery and its scientific implications, potential scientific implications, that interested additional people and has gotten to the point where now we have lectured a number of times this year on the assassination.
02:09:45.000Now, when we got cut off by the break, you were talking about the third discovery and Dr. Joling conferring right after the shooting, very soon thereafter, with the coroner in Los Angeles.
02:09:58.000As I had mentioned, Dr. Joling has been involved in this case virtually from the beginning and has had the good fortune, partially, of his role as an attorney, a judge, a former president of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, has given him access to a number of people involved in this case.
02:10:18.000In fact, they sought him out continually over the last 40 years.
02:10:23.000And it was through those associations and through hundreds and hundreds of personal letters that he received from these people that he put together just a huge file regarding this case but had never really published anything on it and it was the chance meeting that he and I had a year ago about the time that my first two discoveries were breaking that we decided to collaborate and the result was a book An open and shut case.
02:10:54.000And the website is anopenandshutcase.com and I want to have you both up.
02:10:58.000I think we've got a time zone mix-up with Dr. Joling in the next few weeks.
02:11:02.000We'll spend a full hour on this, but in the time we've got, go back to why Dr. Joling at first got in touch with the coroner, what the coroner said, and then move forward into the audio-acoustic evidence because Of course, we have the Congressional 79 hearings that said 95% chance, with some of the top experts of that day, that of course there was more than one shooter and more than three shots fired.
02:11:30.000And that the Congress said they believed there was a conspiracy.
02:11:36.000And now we've had E. Howard Hunt on deathbed say that he ran the operation.
02:11:40.000We have photos from the newspapers of him being arrested as one of the tramps.
02:11:44.000I mean, it's really starting to pile up.
02:11:46.000I know you're focusing in on the scientific areas, but I mean, can you comment on the 79 congressional...
02:11:55.000Well, just going back, first of all, to your first question there regarding the 1969 involvement.
02:12:01.000It was actually Dr. Noguchi and two or three other very prominent individuals who had been involved from the very beginning who sought out Dr. Joling's expertise and counsel.
02:12:16.000There certainly were a number of issues that quickly emerged in this case, some of which you've already mentioned, but just very basically the eight-shot capacity of Sirhan's gun versus 14 or more bullet holes that were found in and around the pantry area, a number of which were documented by the FBI.
02:12:34.000One of their top people, Dr. William Bailey, as a matter of fact, who was there shortly after the shooting, testified over and over and over again that those, in fact, were bullet holes and bullets, irrespective of what others might have said at the time.
02:12:50.000Secondly, of course, there was Sirhan's position, which was in front of and three feet or more from Robert Kennedy at the time.
02:12:58.000Of the shooting, and that was, uh, has been verified by the statements of, uh, 12 or more eyewitnesses, people, uh, in the pantry at the time of the shooting who, who viewed the shooting, uh, firsthand.
02:13:11.000And the reason that's so important, the fact that he was three feet or more away and facing Robert Kennedy, uh, gets back to the autopsy findings.
02:13:19.000And the autopsy findings being that Kennedy was hit four times from the rear, And there was deeply embedded powder burns on his clothing and on his head and neck, indicating a point-blank range shot.
02:13:37.000That was verified by a number of firearms experts, as well as Dr. Noguchi.
02:13:44.000In fact, after the shooting and after the autopsy, the LAPD, I believe, I ran some tests using, I guess, a pig's ear to simulate a human being hit at point-blank range versus other distances, and it was only, I guess, within a half inch of contact that such a deeply embedded powder burn were created.
02:14:10.000By deeply embedded, it burned deeply into the clothing and skin.
02:14:16.000I know nothing about it, but everybody listening knows the basics of up close.
02:14:22.000You have the blast coming out, the superheated leftovers of the gunpowder.
02:14:31.000We have the footage, going back to JFK, of The Secret Service being ordered not to be around the car, and they're waving their arms and throwing fits, and Kennedy drives down and they kill him, and you have this.
02:14:44.000Fourteen bullet holes, digging the bullets out, his gun only shoots eight.
02:14:47.000Witnesses say that Sirhan's shooting from the front, he's shot at point-blank range from behind.
02:14:53.000I mean, how dumb do these people think we are?
02:14:55.000But I guess as a scientist, you just cover the facts.
02:15:01.000We just covered the facts, and my third, just briefly to go through the three discoveries, the first one was, and this is as a result of analyzing the Krasinski recording, which was initially uncovered in 2004, by the way, by Brad Johnson, an American journalist and senior news writer for CNN International.
02:15:46.000It just became impossible to be able to pick any other shot sounds out of that recording.
02:15:52.000The second discovery was two instances of what I call double shots, and that is two shots that occur so closely together that it raises doubt as to whether it could have been fired by a single weapon.
02:16:05.000And in fact, last year there was a firearms test Conducted in California with a firearms expert under ideal conditions, shooting the exact same make and model weapon, the Ivor Johnson Cadet 55.
02:16:20.000Fastest time he could come up with was 366 milliseconds between shots, whereas the double shots on the Przezinski recording, one pair is about 122 milliseconds apart, the other one's about 148, 149 milliseconds apart.
02:16:31.000The other one's about 148, 149 milliseconds.
02:16:35.000So twice as fast as the top expert can do.
02:16:38.000Well, yes, and not only that, but after the second shot, Sirhan's arm, gun arm, was pinned down on a stainless steel steam table in the pantry, although he was able to continue to fire off the rest of the round.
02:16:54.000And his other, and his, Carl Uecker, the assistant maitre d' with his other arm, had, uh, Sir Hannon a headlock so it's hard to conceive that that is anywhere near ideal condition.
02:17:07.000But he had a job going there and squeeze off the rounds even though his first shots are up in the air and the others are down at the ground.
02:17:16.000Now what about witnesses about who was behind Kennedy at the time?
02:17:21.000Well, of course, immediately behind Senator Kennedy, and slightly to his right, was a security guard named Caesar.
02:17:32.000In fact, he had hold of Kennedy's right elbow with Caesar's left.
02:17:36.000And at the time that the shooting occurred, and Cesar claimed afterwards, stated that Kennedy falling over from the shot resulted in Mr. Cesar also falling down.
02:17:51.000And Cesar also mentioned that he received extensive powder burns, that is, Cesar, in his face and eyes.
02:18:00.000uh... as a result of the shot when you look at the fact that their handgun was three feet or more away and he was uh... taking pretty much in the direction of that gun versus the evidence from the coroner which indicated that kennedy was shot from the rear at point-blank range uh... one would have to assume that the gun was in a position sideways to the face of mister caesar and Very, very close.
02:18:30.000And anyone, of course, who's fired a revolver will know that there is a tremendous amount of blast of powder that exits between the rear of the cylinder and the frame of the gun.
02:18:43.000At the time it's fired off, no one would fire, willingly, fire off a gun with that in front of their face sideways.
02:18:51.000They would hold the gun out at arm's length so that the back of the gun was facing them.
02:18:56.000And even then, they would get a little bit of powder burns, probably, or powder at least on their hands.
02:19:04.000The third discovery, which was an outgrowth of the first two, was a discovery that although the other shot sounds had very similar frequency content, there were five of the shot sounds there were five of the shot sounds contained an anomaly.
02:19:24.000And that anomaly was a particular frequency that presented, again, at a particular frequency and at a considerably higher level.
02:19:34.000So it's clearly two different types of guns going off.
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02:24:15.000Fourteen bullets when the gun only holds eight.
02:24:17.000Now, the last point you were making, Are you saying that even with the ear can hear, but you said you studied the frequency, that it's clearly two different sounds.
02:24:29.000And a certain size handgun with a certain length of muzzle is BOOM!
02:24:35.000But as a scientist you were able to separate out that it was two different types of guns?
02:24:40.000Yes, it was actually a very subtle difference and really could not be heard just by the human ear.
02:24:47.000But through forensic analysis, we noted five of the shot sounds that had this frequency anomaly, and we didn't know what the cause of it was.
02:24:56.000And other people would say, well, it could be the acoustics in the pantry or something to do with Brzezinski's recorder or whatever.
02:25:03.000Uh, but then why would it only occur with five of the shots out?
02:25:06.000So to prove one way or the other and try to determine the source of this, we conducted a firearms test using an Ivor Johnson Cadet 55 Sirhan's weapon and also using an H&R 922.
02:25:19.000And we found, as a result of doing those tests, we found the same anomaly occurring from the H&R 922 from the rear, which in fact would have been roughly the position of that weapon in the kitchen pantry relative to Brzezinski's microphone.
02:25:35.000What's interesting about that weapon is two things.
02:25:38.000First of all, it happens to have the same rifling characteristics as the Ivor Johnson Cadet 55, which is a very important consideration with regard to the firearms panel, the Judge Wenke panel in 75, which found a match between one of the Kennedy victim bullets and a couple of other victims in that kitchen pantry.
02:26:01.000The second point is that it happened to be the same model weapon that the security guard, St.
02:26:08.000Eugene Caesar, happened to own at the time of the shooting.
02:26:12.000Now, after the shooting, I believe Mr. Caesar had first indicated that he had sold that weapon a couple of months prior to the shooting, whereas it was later uncovered that he had sold the weapon.
02:26:24.000Uh, several months after the shooting.
02:26:27.000So that was the reason for using that second weapon, and although we did not find the frequency anomaly anywhere, either front or rear, with the Ivor Johnson Cadet 55, we did find it with the H&R 922 from the back of the weapon about 40 feet away, which is about the distance between Brzezinski's microphone and the
02:26:48.000Firearms at the time of the shooting so basically just drug up a mental patient have him go shoot his gun eight times Have your black op operators shoot Bobby five times and you're off the races and all the witnesses see it and the guy that owns the same gun and nothing matters It's just you just tell the American people that ham sandwich killed Bobby and they believe it meanwhile I guess sir hands still just drooling in prison and
02:27:14.000He is still in prison after about 40 years and certainly he should not be completely exonerated.
02:27:26.000But we very firmly believe that Sirhan could not and did not kill Robert F. Kennedy, never even hit Robert F. Kennedy in that kitchen pantry.
02:27:37.000How did the media spin it and cover it up when the coroner The LA coroner said that Sirhan didn't even shoot him and that it was somebody else from behind.
02:27:46.000I mean, it's just... Well, initially, the Los Angeles Police Department had...
02:27:55.000For whatever reasons they may have had discredited Dr. Noguchi, but that didn't last.
02:28:04.000He was, of course, reinstated to his position and there was a great outpouring of support for him by his colleagues.
02:28:13.000All around the nation, and eventually around the world.
02:28:16.000And in fact, the autopsy protocol for Robert F. Kennedy is widely considered to be one of the finest autopsy protocols ever written.
02:28:26.000Well, you know, they say that Budo, over in Pakistan, hit her head on a car window.
02:28:34.000Of course, there's now video of the machine gunning her, but I guess we should just believe our media, sir, and not believe you.
02:28:43.000Well, like I say, and as we stated earlier in the program, the media is becoming more involved in this now, and hopefully, as opposed to just simple five-second sound bites, which of course are extremely easy to counter by those who do not have the facts, but rather it's hoped that the media will actually spend some time on this and go in-depth and take the time to learn the evidence.
02:29:09.000The physical evidence and the forensic evidence behind the finding.
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02:33:45.000Well, he is a veteran of the European Theater in World War II.
02:34:08.000And he's here with us today to talk about his newest book, The Koch Papers, and a book he wrote years ago, I think in 99, about the nasty little Rudolph Giuliani.
02:34:19.000So we'll get some of his comments on that as well.
02:34:22.000Mayor Koch, thanks for coming on with us.
02:34:56.000No, no, no, I'm just teasing you because I watch videos of you online during press conferences and stuff, and I guess everybody needs correcting, because we do get a lot of stuff wrong.
02:35:11.000Well, I wrote a book, which I'm very proud of.
02:35:14.000It's my latest and my best, and it's called The Koch Papers, and it is a compilation of the statements that I've made and the commentaries I've issued and the speeches, and really first rate, beginning with my days in Congress up until recently on the issue of anti-Semitism.
02:35:35.000We're fortunate in the United States This is really the golden age.
02:35:43.000The pastor of Obama is an anti-Semite.
02:35:49.000But the fact is that anti-Semitism is vastly decreased, but rising in Europe to the point where it's close to where it was in the 30s, just before World War II.
02:36:04.000Well, that's an amazing statement right there.
02:36:08.000Mayor Koch, I've seen the quotes about the government vetting AIDS or the government shipping in drugs for the black people, but I haven't heard him make any anti-Semitic comments.
02:36:18.000Can you tell me specifically what Barack Obama's...?
02:36:21.000Yes, he has... You know, when you attack Israel, you have a right to attack Israel, but if you attack it, Uh, by, uh, when you would not attack another country for doing the same thing, then it's anti-Semitism in my judgment.
02:37:59.000You can be critical of Israel if you criticize it for the same reasons that you criticize other countries.
02:38:08.000Jimmy Carter criticizes a lot of countries, but I haven't heard, in this case, Reverend Wright or anybody else criticize Turkey for doing what Israel does, which is defend its people from terrorist attacks.
02:38:25.000The difference is the Kurds didn't have that area of Turkey, and Israel has been expanding and pushing the Palestinians into smaller and smaller areas and demolishing the houses.
02:38:40.000Firstly, Israel has agreed to the two-state solution called the Roadmap, which President Bush and others have urged.
02:38:51.000The Palestinians under Hamas in the West Bank says no, every Jew who entered historic Palestine after 1917 must be expelled and there will be one Muslim state.
02:39:08.000I think that's a threat to Jews who are now about six million.
02:39:49.000You may not accept it as such, I don't know, maybe you do, but Jews have lived in the area which was known originally as Judea and Samaria until the Romans destroyed the Jewish kingdoms.
02:40:07.000They continue to... Oh, I totally agree with you that Sephardic Jews that are 20% of the Jewish family certainly have been there for 3,000 years.
02:40:17.000Yeah, and you may not accept it as such, but in the Bible it says that God made a pact with the Jews that the area Well, actually, God ordered the Jews to go in and kill everybody, including their animals.
02:40:38.000Well, he may have, I don't really know that section, but that's not what you or I are talking about.
02:40:45.000I'm simply saying that from a historical point of view, this is the land of the Jews.
02:40:52.000Well, Mayor Koch, I get criticized because I don't go with what's fashionable and just bash Israel all day.
02:41:03.000I'm really trying to show both sides here.
02:41:08.000What I don't like is the fact that in Europe, the different governmental organizations, the different lobbying groups, have tried to push to even, you know, ban people's political free speech.
02:41:22.000Even if I don't agree with what someone is saying about Hitler, I think they have a right.
02:41:44.000Each country has its own laws, and in Europe, because of Adolf Hitler, in Germany and France, And in England, they have said that you may not, under penalty of criminal law, say that there was a holocaust.
02:42:07.000Now, holocaust deniers say, oh, Hitler didn't kill the Jews.
02:42:10.000But, Mayor Koch, we know what they say, Mayor Koch.
02:42:14.000And we certainly know Hitler killed a lot of Jews and a lot of other people.
02:42:46.000They were over there at the same time you were.
02:42:48.000Okay, so we're on the same team here when it comes to that.
02:42:51.000My whole point is, I wasn't going to give the numbers, millions of Poles, millions of Russians, millions of Germans, and yes, Hitler did target Jews, that was his whole schtick.
02:43:04.000Is that once you say, and there are groups here trying to restrict free speech in the US, same groups, once you say... Nobody is trying to restrict free speech in the United States, and it's foolish to say that.
02:43:16.000And let me just... Well, I'll say this, the ADL and everybody else runs over to Europe and supports what they're doing, and they... You see, you're not staying on point.
02:43:26.000I have said to you, Europe does not have the First Amendment.
02:43:31.000And they never had it, and they don't want it.
02:43:34.000So you're saying... They don't want it.
02:43:36.000You're saying they don't have any free speech.
02:43:46.000The fact is that the governments of the countries that I've told you about have decided that it is in their interest Not to allow the resurgence of Neo-Nazism.
02:44:00.000I understand that, but now they've expanded it, Mayor.
02:44:03.000Now they've expanded it to don't criticize the EU, don't criticize immigrants flooding in.
02:44:56.000I wanted to draw a distinction for you as to why the Holocaust is different In a lot of respects than the killing of any other group, even as terrible as it was.
02:45:11.000And I will tell you what the difference is.
02:45:13.000Hitler issued an order called the Final Solution, which said that every Jew in the countries in which Nazism prevailed Would be killed, baby, infant, child, man, woman.
02:45:29.000No child could be adopted to save the child's life.
02:45:54.000Mayor Koch, and I'm not arguing with you, all I'm trying to say is that you're not aware of all the new hate speech laws, even in England, that has no connection?
02:46:08.000Listen, you're not in England, you're in the United States.
02:46:12.000The English have a tradition of being very free with speech, but they have decided That they have to put limitations on it.
02:46:35.000Look, it is a threat to freedom to have a tax on free speech, Koch.
02:46:41.000You can't say you support free speech in the U.S.
02:46:43.000and then go to Europe and be the head of the U.S.
02:46:47.000delegation to go over there with that whole agenda off of the people that got killed taking people's free speech today using the dumb Nazis as your poster boy to take other people's free speech.
02:46:58.000Now listen, nobody from here is taking anybody's free speech.
02:47:03.000Each government in Germany, they decided that if you did not clamp down on neo-Nazism and do that by saying that if you revere Hitler, if you engage in a fascist Nazi salute, you're breaking the German law.
02:47:31.000BBC and Der Spiegel reported that the Germans, a government since the 60s, has been caught heading up the neo-Nazi groups that they allow to operate and were caught provocateuring firebombing attacks against Turks as a pretext to pass such laws.
02:48:57.000Do you think it was the Arabs who blew up the World Trade Center, or do you think it was the Jews?
02:49:03.000Well, that brings me to my next point.
02:49:06.000Mayor Koch, I'm going to answer your question.
02:49:11.000I do not believe that the Jews carried out the attack on the World Trade Centers.
02:49:18.000And I also know that the Pensacola News Journal, the Associated Press, the San Jose Mercury News, and Newsweek all reported that the hijackers were trained at U.S.
02:49:39.000That's what it... Listen, I can't... You're so full of misinformation, and if you're pervading this every day, you're polluting the airways.
02:49:56.000I believe you can say whatever you want to.
02:49:58.000Hey, Mayor Koch, I actually think you're a funny, smart character, and I want to come back and talk about Giuliani, because I don't like him either, and I want to end this on a friendly note, but I'll just say this as we go to break, okay?
02:50:12.000If you look at 9-11, and you look at how they massed more than 70,000 US and British troops, around Afghanistan and have the aircraft carriers and Bush signed the order to attack Afghanistan the day before 9-11.
02:50:25.000And if you look at how building 7 wasn't hit by a plane but fell, and you look at NORAD standing down, and you look at Bush running the 9-11 whitewash commission, that's why there's questions.
02:50:34.000So to say that because a minority says Jews did it, the majority of 9-11 truth doesn't say that.
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02:54:05.000Look, I was talking to her in the break, Mayor, and I actually believe there's a global eugenics program, Planned Parenthood, set up by the Rockefellers who funded Hitler.
02:54:15.000I know you got questioned by We Are Change a week or so ago, and they brought up Prescott Bush was in the New York Times back in the 40s being the head Nazi agent in the U.S.
02:54:25.000I find it hard to believe that you've lived in New York and New Jersey most of your life and that you didn't know its common knowledge and Ben, the headlines in the BBC, the headlines, London Guardian in the last five years, this has all come back out.
02:55:02.000There's no question that there were businessmen all around the world that were funding Adolf Hitler and Father Coughlin here in the United States.
02:55:14.000Nazis, fascists, no question about that.
02:56:45.000So then why can't, I mean, you don't see any, I mean, why did Giuliani hide all the evidence and run it up in a landfill?
02:56:51.000No, that's, again, crazy stuff on your part.
02:56:58.000I'm not a friend of Giuliani's, but he didn't bury evidence in the landfill.
02:57:03.000What he did was try to run a city that had been devastated by terrorism, and he made a number of mistakes, the prime one being that he didn't require the people working on the site Well, they didn't want to scare people, so they lied to him and said the air was good.
02:57:31.000That was Whitman, who said the air was good when it was not.
02:57:35.000But, you know, as I say, I'm not a friend of Giuliani's.
02:57:39.000I opposed him in his Mayor Kotz, you think it's a conspiracy that the AP reported that they use the people's bones to fill potholes in New York?
02:57:54.000And I have not seen that AP article, so I have to withhold judgment.
02:57:58.000You know what, I think you're probably a nice guy.
02:58:00.000I just don't think you know all the stuff we know.
02:58:04.000Give out your email real quick, because I want to send you... Okay, if anybody can get on my commentary list, it's one word, E-I Koch, Koch is spelled K-O-C-H, Brian Cave, one word, b-r-y-a-n-c-a-v-e dot com.
02:58:22.000Okay, Mayor Koch, thank you for joining us.
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