Former Gitmo detainee Murat Qurnas says his interrogators demanded he admit he was an operative of and an associate of 9/11 plotter Mohammed Atta. U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey says the government knew about a phone call from a safe house in Afghanistan before 9-11, but did nothing about it.
00:00:39.000Former Gitmo detainee Murat Qurnas, repeating in an interview what he had told his attorney three years ago, while still being held by the U.S., that when he was originally picked up and stored in Afghanistan for two months, interrogators hung him by his arms from the ceiling of a freezing aircraft hangar for five days, with doctors coming by periodically to assure his captors it was okay to keep on hanging him there.
00:01:00.000Qurnas says his interrogators demanded he admit he was an operative of and an associate of Mohammed Atta.
00:01:14.000Remember the attempt to link 9-11 to Iraq by way of Mohammed Atta and some apocryphal meeting he was supposed to have had with the Iraqi intelligence service in Prague, April 2001?
00:01:23.000Well, get some German-born Muslim to admit he knew Atta, and you're halfway home to putting Atta at a meeting with Iraqi agents, even if it never happened.
00:01:55.000Almost ignored in the coverage of his speech to the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco pleading for telecom immunity.
00:02:01.000Attorney General Michael Mukasey also said, quote, before 9-11, that's the call that we didn't know about.
00:02:06.000We knew that there has been a call from someplace that was known to be a safe house in Afghanistan, and we knew that it came to the United States.
00:02:14.000We didn't know precisely where it went.
00:02:18.000The government knew about some phone call from a safe house in Afghanistan into the U.S.
00:02:23.000about 9-11, before 9-11, and even though it had the same FISA courts and the same right to act against international targets in 2001 as it does now?
00:02:36.000Well, this would seem to leave only two options.
00:02:37.000Either the Attorney General just admitted that the government for which he works is guilty of malfeasant complicity in the 9-11 attacks, or he's lying.
00:02:58.000We're going to be live here for the next three hours.
00:03:03.000We'll be discussing in more detail the report you just heard Keith Olbermann talking about, quite a revelation.
00:03:08.000Then in one hour, Mike Rivero joins us for his monthly visit.
00:03:12.000Then we have the physicist Walter L. Wagner coming on to talk about some of the Different to scientific systems and devices like superconducting super colliders that endanger the very fabric of the dimension that we exist in here in the third dimension.
00:03:34.000So those are your guests today in the first hour.
00:03:37.000I'm going to cover a lot of important news and then I'm going to do part one at the bottom of the hour in about 28 minutes.
00:03:44.000Kind of a precursor to Dr. Wagner joining us coming up later in the third hour concerning the type of developments that do endanger humanity that the elite are completely ignoring.
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00:09:29.000Okay, let's get into the news, and then we have got several big guests lined up for you today, and a big surprise guest, by the way, early in the show tomorrow.
00:09:41.000And also, next Monday, huge announcement, biggest announcement in the history of this radio show, in the history of what I've been doing On Talk Radio, period, coming up next Monday, starting in the second hour of the show, I will make the announcement.
00:10:08.000Food stamps are the symbol of poverty in the U.S.
00:10:11.000In the era of credit crunch, a record 28 million Americans are now relying on them to survive A sure sign the world's richest country faces economic crises.
00:10:24.000We knew things were bad on Wall Street, but on Main Street it may be worse.
00:10:30.000Startling official statistics show that as a new economic recession stalks the United States, a record number of Americans will shortly be depending on food stamps just to feed themselves and their families.
00:10:46.000Dismal projections by the Congressional Budget Office in Washington suggest in the fiscal year starting October 28, 28 million people in the U.S.
00:10:55.000will be using government food stamps to buy essential groceries, the highest level since the Food Assistance Program was introduced in the 1960s.
00:11:03.000The increase From $26.5 million in 2007 is due partly to recent efforts to increase public awareness of the program and also to switch from paper coupons to electronic debit cards.
00:11:18.000But also, above all, it is the pressures being exerted on ordinary Americans by an economy that is suddenly beset by troubles.
00:11:27.000Housing foreclosures, accelerating job losses, and fast rising prices all add to the squeeze.
00:11:39.000Meanwhile, this is the Associated Press today.
00:11:41.000Analyst predicts corn rationing in 2008.
00:11:46.000A BB&T Capital Markets analyst said Monday, corn rationing may be necessary this year.
00:12:06.000Corn's at all-time Hi, the demand is just absolutely stratospheric and let's cut back on what we're growing.
00:12:15.000According to the March prospective planting reports, farmers intend to plant about 86 million acres of corn this year, down 8% from 2007, when the amount of corn planted was the highest since World War II.
00:12:31.000That goes on to how the investors are betting.
00:12:37.000Now remember you don't really see the corn rationing at the store.
00:12:40.000It's rationing to the factories that make the cereals and make the breads and the thousands of prepared foods that have it as fillers in it.
00:12:51.000And so you will see it manifested by higher prices and yes sometimes you'll just go in if it's later in the evening and there won't be bread on the shelves or your favorite bread won't be there.
00:13:03.000I mean, some people are hyping this saying, you know, there'll be absolute food shortages.
00:14:19.000You're going to have the 30-plus million illegal aliens, Mexico in a big recession, pushing more of them up here, driving it down even deeper.
00:14:28.000Getting all the free health care that the hospitals give.
00:14:34.000to Dallas, Texas have been instructed for decades to give free health care to illegal aliens?
00:14:39.000That's what's bankrupting them, and the schools, and everything else.
00:14:42.000All of this compounding, and hundreds of unfunded federal mandates on the states, ordering the states to do this, ordering the states to do that.
00:14:54.000Fifty-something million people On Social Security and that number growing, growing every day.
00:14:59.000It'll be $60 million by the end of the decade.
00:15:45.000China's stocks tumbled 4.1% to new 11-month low, Reuters.
00:15:50.000China's main stock index tumbled 4.13% to a new 11-month closing low today after a central bank repeated its commitment to tight monetary policy.
00:16:02.000So we're seeing restrictions in credit.
00:16:05.000The same thing in Europe, same thing in the U.S.
00:16:09.000The big central banks and the private banks they own are being given unlimited liquidity, unlimited funds over Two hundred billion dollars a month, and we're now eight months into this.
00:16:30.000And that's just government and sovereign wealth funds pumping that in.
00:16:37.000The companies are taking the pension funds that were left, that were already fully leveraged, but just taking the scraps, trying to prop things up.
00:16:45.000Full bailouts of the Fortune 100 banks and brokerage firms.
00:16:52.000Who'd bought into real companies and have now infected those.
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00:17:38.000Ambassador says NAFTA, no matter what, The North American Free Trade Agreement will stand regardless of who wins the coming presidential election.
00:17:48.000South of the border, the United States Ambassador to Canada said Monday, David Wilkins told a trade group in Canada that NAFTA survival does not depend on whether Democrats or Republicans control the White House.
00:17:59.000Despite all the political rhetoric, in my opinion, our relationship will remain strong.
00:18:03.000There will be no major changes, because they own all the candidates, I would add.
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00:18:10.000Yeah, the Canadians, the Mexicans, the people in the U.S., none of the people.
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00:18:49.000David Wilkins told her, of course she won't let anyone move in, you'll just stick her in a government facility and she'll die of bed sores a few months later.
00:19:14.000The comments come after a debate in Ohio last month where Democratic candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton threatened to withdraw from NAFTA if it wasn't Renegotiated.
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00:24:42.000Mukasey, the corrupt little judge involved in 9-11 cover-ups and His own officers filed complaints, people that guarded him, and he made the federal marshals clean toilets at his house and get his wife's groceries and basically grovel to him.
00:24:58.000It just shows the little slime bag he is.
00:24:59.000The guy's completely rich and won't even hire his own maid.
00:25:03.000He would make the, uh... When the federal marshals would get first class tickets to fly with him, but Mukasey would have to pay for his own, he would make them switch him out with him, which is illegal.
00:25:16.000Let's just show a little petty dirtbag crook.
00:25:20.000Mukasey admits government knew of call about 9-11 before 9-11.
00:25:25.000Echelon's spy network would have intercepted and cataloged all transmissions.
00:25:32.000The guy was speaking before a big group of people and he came out and admitted that Echelon, the NSA, was listening to it.
00:25:41.000Then he said, oh, but the law didn't let us track it in the US.
00:26:13.000But see, first, they set up decades ago something that Already destroyed the Fourth Amendment.
00:26:23.000You know, but you go to a judge later.
00:26:25.000But that's not... if he gets up and lies, like the public are complete morons, and I guess they are, so... but all of us aren't.
00:26:35.000And he gets up... in fact, let me just read the quote.
00:26:41.000Quote, we knew that there had been a call from someplace.
00:26:46.000That was known to be a safe house in Afghanistan and that we knew that it came to the United States.
00:26:51.000We didn't know precisely where it went, reports the San Francisco Chronicle.
00:26:56.000Mukasey is then reported to have grimaced, swallowed hard, and seemed to tear up as he reflected on the weakness in America's anti-terrorism strategy prior to the 2001 attacks.
00:27:06.000We've got 3,000 people who Went to work that day and didn't come home to show for that, he said, struggling to maintain his composure.
00:27:17.000This is the guy that helped cover up how the FBI cooked the bomb, trained the drivers, gave them the detonators for the first World Trade Center attack.
00:27:24.000This is the guy who helped cover up the insider trading on 9-11.
00:27:27.000I mean, if we went into how bad Mukasey is, it would take hours, but you can go look it up for yourself.
00:27:37.000Just absolute, complete, poppycock theater From Mr. McKaysey.
00:27:45.000And Paul Watson has a big article detailing the history of this today up on PrisonPlanet.com.
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00:29:12.000He gave a laptop to one of the lead hijackers in Oklahoma.
00:29:16.000He was at a training base where the Daily Oklahoma reported, but they just say it's an accident.
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00:33:21.000He clearly covered up, making him an accessory after the fact, to the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, making him an accessory.
00:33:29.000He clearly covered up many other events and helped frame Patsy's in New York.
00:33:37.000He's definitely an operative of the criminal crew I want to be clear here that Hollywood, whether it's the Bourne Ultimatum or conspiracy theories put out by Mel Gibson.
00:33:58.000They always make it that it's a rogue group in government that's doing it, and the rest of the government's good, and the guys on top are good, and they come and they always, you know, defeat the lower-level echelon that's engaged in the crime.
00:34:11.000The drug dealing, the murder, the torture, the mind control, the child kidnapping.
00:34:15.000All the things they put in Hollywood now, because it's been in the newspapers.
00:34:20.000But they always phrase it as if it's a small group doing it.
00:34:36.00099% of FBI agents are not involved in narcotics trafficking.
00:34:40.000Probably 75-80% of CIA's not involved in narcotics trafficking.
00:34:47.00095% of the CIA's not involved in the sex trade and snuff films and all the things that fit into that.
00:34:54.000But there is a group that is and it's right at the top.
00:34:59.000And every time, it's the people at the top running this and they have trusted little cadres that carry out their operations.
00:35:07.000The problem is that they don't have a big enough army to carry out the 9-11 attacks they'd like to carry out and pose as saviors to run the larger kidnapping ops, to even run the murder for hire.
00:35:24.000I mean, they just don't have enough hitmen.
00:35:28.000To go out and do the long knives like they'd like to.
00:35:32.000Because believe it, the first group they're going to purge is their own people.
00:35:35.000That will come and then it will be people like me.
00:35:38.000Folks think Alex Jones will be in the first wave.
00:35:42.000I will be in the second or third wave if they go to full martial law.
00:35:45.000It will be FBI deputy directors and it will be CIA deputy directors.
00:35:50.000It'll be anybody that didn't play ball or who wasn't corrupt and totally evil or who was corrupt and evil but made somebody mad And, you know, cheated some underling who's now above them.
00:36:02.000Or someone who was parallel to them and is now above them.
00:36:09.000Tyranny, in which I've studied, is not a happy place for really anybody, including the very people at the top.
00:36:17.000And that's why the elites have been smarter in the past.
00:36:19.000They were into soft power, which is real power.
00:36:24.000But the people running things just can't help themselves, and psychopaths always want to get caught, so they always get reckless.
00:36:33.000You know, you study most psychopaths, they'll kill one woman every six months, do it very handily, be very careful to do it on quiet roads, to not be seen, to get rid of the evidence.
00:36:43.000And five years later, they're going crazy, killing three women in one night, running around drunk.
00:36:49.000And they finally get pulled over by the cops and get caught.
00:36:51.000And we've kind of reached that phase of just driving around drunk with dead women in the trunk, the globalists are driving around with women's lipstick on and a red wig, like Ronald McDonald, and I just... God help us, God help us, I mean, we got total psychopaths running everything!
00:37:49.000And when there's no more willing to their lives, when they can't continue to force their will on something and do something reckless and daring, then they just start killing people en masse and blowing things up.
00:38:08.000Oh, I never said the New World Order were cowards.
00:39:34.000I went over to my parents' house a couple nights ago and they got a pool and I was swimming.
00:39:38.000And some fire ants have gotten in the pool.
00:39:40.000They're actually a water, semi-water amphibious ant from Brazil, but I digress, that came here in the fifties into Houston port in wood, but side issue.
00:39:52.000And I got a couple of them on me, and then they simultaneously, one stung me on the chest, one stung me on the arm, one stung me on the leg, simultaneously.
00:40:02.000Of course, that's a pheromone they're releasing, but simultaneously they all stung me.
00:40:55.000The Earth's probably more like 80% water on the surface, but Water is renewable if you're living out in the desert or you're living somewhere.
00:41:04.000Yes, you do have shortages or megacities built in the desert or off the desert like L.A.
00:41:09.000But overall, water is totally renewable.
00:41:12.000And the globalists wrote documents 30 years ago saying they were going to propagandize you that it wasn't, with reasonable things like, you know, don't water during the day, water at night.
00:41:22.000And then, Only water on Sundays at night.
00:41:27.000And then, oh, we're going to fine you, and now we're going to arrest you, and see, it's about training you to do what they say.
00:41:34.000Or England, where it rains about 120 days out of the year, heavily.
00:41:42.000They are going to make you pay exorbitant prices, and it's all about control.
00:41:49.000And it's the same thing with diamonds.
00:41:50.000They are low on the totem pole of semi-precious.
00:41:53.000They're not even high on the scale of precious.
00:42:24.000But my point is, they're saying water is a big crisis, but that's what threatens us is the water.
00:42:28.000Or they say carbon dioxide, one of the basic two building blocks of all life on earth.
00:42:35.000That in previous times in our history has been 14 times higher.
00:42:39.000Scientists believe an optimum from studies they've done in controlled environments.
00:42:43.000These have been done over the last 200 years.
00:42:46.000One of the most studied things out there in agriculture.
00:42:50.000Is that you can have ten times the level of carbon dioxide and it just makes plants live longer, grow better, it creates more oxygen, humans, all forms of animal life like higher oxygen, the earth is actually in an oxygen and carbon dioxide starved mode.
00:43:09.000One of the lowest ever recorded, they've got eye scores going back five hundred thousand years by the way, one of the lowest ever recorded oxygen slash Carbon dioxide levels, and they've got people running in fear, hyperventilating, I mean just freaking out over carbon dioxide.
00:43:28.000That it's going to heat us up, it's going to kill us, it's all over.
00:43:32.000And even if you believe all of that, put out by the New World Order to set up new systems to micromanage and control you and tax you and tax all human activity and life, carbon footprint, Even if you believe the fraud, there's solutions of putting restrictions on Europe and the U.S.
00:43:49.000No restrictions on China, India, and 160 other countries.
00:43:52.000It will actually move it from cleaner societies to the ones with no controls, and will actually boost it, and there's major studies on that.
00:44:00.000My point is, you're freaking out over that.
00:44:05.000Meanwhile, I've talked a lot about this, but we're going to do whole shows on this.
00:44:09.000There are thousands of factories randomly splicing DNA of pigs and monkeys and humans and insects and plants and insects and 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 100, 200 different cross-species injections with DNA guns that fire it into the bacteria.
00:44:29.000And fire viruses in, and it's already given rise to super-viruses, and it's already given rise to super-bacteria, and there's already been all sorts of releases, and crises, and problems, and cover-ups, and murders of hundreds and hundreds of microbiologists.
00:44:43.000And the very DNA of the planet, the true biosphere, is being altered in a way it's never been in its slow development in the past.
00:44:56.000And any day, this can release a super virus that kills 20%, 100%, who knows?
00:45:02.000I mean, there are governments working on mousepox that kill 100% of mammals that come in contact with it.
00:45:07.000And that's being done in Level 2 labs in Australia, the US, England, and God knows where, and the University there, what, six years ago, in Australia, put the exact genetic code and how to engineer a mouse pox for any mammal that has one hundred percent kill rate.
00:45:28.000And the government accidentally, I'm joking when I say that, but they say accidentally put out the code for that.
00:46:06.000People in this country can't afford their mortgages.
00:46:08.000And in some places now, they can't even afford rice.
00:46:13.000None of this, nor the rest of the grimness on the front page today will matter a bit, though, if the two men... Now, this is... They act like it's two men in this article.
00:46:22.000It's the former head and a physicist of the Royal Society of England, the most prestigious scientific body in the world.
00:46:42.000None of this will matter a bit, though, if two men pursuing a lawsuit in federal court in Hawaii turn out to be right.
00:46:49.000They think a giant particle accelerator that will begin smashing protons together outside Geneva this summer might produce a black hole or something else that might spell the end of the earth and maybe the universe.
00:46:59.000Now, it was the same physicist and a bunch of other physicists that theorized that superconducting supercolliders would produce limited black holes that they hoped would decay And in most cases, they believe in the equations will decay and fall apart before they get enough energy to go to mass and begin sucking the earth in.
00:47:19.000You see, you split an atom, they start reacting in the uranium or plutonium, and then they start violently expanding, you have an explosion.
00:47:34.000That's 1900 technology, Max Planck and others.
00:47:39.000They theoretized their equations, laid it out, Einstein added to it, popularized it, but it was Planck and others, the German scientists, that are admitted to be the ones that developed it, and then in the forties they made A-bombs with it.
00:48:30.000See, first they were worried about it, and the equation showed it would happen, and then Hawking came out, a physicist, Who they've kind of popularized, and he is a smart guy, but he's admitted he's been wrong a few times, but he was right about this.
00:48:42.000He said, well don't worry, when they make black holes in these, they're gonna fall apart.
00:49:13.000No more parading around with your FBI badges?
00:49:17.000No more wearing hippie sandals and running around taking people's ranches and farms for the earth?
00:49:24.000This will put a... put a kibosh on your party real fast, okay?
00:49:31.000Let's see, the New World Order wants to play God and they always, they always do it!
00:49:42.000Close to half the scientists thought that when they detonated over a hundred hydrogen bombs in the atmospheres, in the atmosphere, in the early 1960s, in the U.S., that it was a chance it would set the atmosphere on fire.
00:50:00.000It didn't set the atmosphere on fire, but it did, with EMP, blow out transistors all over the planet randomly.
00:50:13.000They thought when they detonated the A-bomb, half the scientists thought it was going to set the atmosphere on fire, because our equation is showing it could.
00:50:25.000But instead, it's kind of like when they blow up an oil rig that's on fire, you use a bomb to blow it out, that's what happens.
00:50:33.000So see, they go ahead even when they think it's going to do this.
00:50:36.000Well, we're going to get more into this on the other side.
00:50:39.000This is just one, black holes are only one small facet of all the things that the math shows are probably going to happen.
00:50:49.000But we've got to ban carbon dioxide because plants breathe it, it's very evil.
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00:54:59.000The world physicists have spent 14 years and $8 billion building the large hardened collider in Europe in which the collider protons will create energies and conditions.
00:55:15.000Last seen a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang.
00:55:28.000Researchers will sift the debris from the primordial reactions for clues to the nature of mass and new forces and symmetries of nature.
00:55:41.000But Walter L. Wagner, and don't even mention their physicist in this article, and Louis Sancho contend that scientists at the European Center for Nuclear Research Or C.E.R.N.
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00:56:00.000Now, they said this decades ago, and now they've created black holes in these, but they fall apart.
00:56:06.000They don't get the mass they need to start going.
00:56:12.000Or it could spit out something called a strangelet that would convert our planet into a shrunken, dense, dead lump Something called strange matter.
00:56:24.000Kind of like the core of the dead sun.
00:56:28.000Their suit also says the CERN, or the Super Cadetic Super Collider, has failed to provide an environmental impact statement as required under the National Environmental Policy Act.
00:56:40.000Although it sounds bizarre, the case touches on a serious issue that has bothered scholars and scientists in recent years, namely, how to estimate the risk of new groundbreaking experiments, and who gets to decide whether or not to go ahead.
00:56:55.000The lawsuit filed March 21st in Federal District Court in Honolulu, seeks a temporary restraining order prohibiting the superconducting supercollider, or the Large Hardened Collider, from proceeding with accelerator Until it has produced a very detailed safety report and an environmental assessment.
00:57:16.000It names the Federal Department of Energy, the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, the National Science Foundation Federation, and the CERN as defendants.
00:57:24.000Yeah, our government basically paid for this in Europe.
00:57:39.000Northa here, up by David J. Smith Church, Newswatch Magazine.
00:57:46.000Look, the whole point here, well, there's several points.
00:57:48.000Number one, I went and found new scientists.
00:57:52.000I went and found major physics organizations and societies.
00:57:56.000I went and found the heads of major societies across the board, quantum mechanics engineers, saying, physicists saying, yeah, there is a chance That this could really cause a problem.
00:58:10.000We know we're dealing with incredibly explosive forces here.
00:58:15.000A hundred plus years ago, they came up with A-bomb equations.
01:00:26.000Finishing up with the subject I was just now getting into out of the New York Times, asking a judge to save the world, where they get into superconducting, super colliders, and different types of systems that are similar.
01:00:41.000Where a lot of the equations being put out by top physicists are showing that it could have very, very dangerous results.
01:00:55.000Instead of an atomic or hydrogen explosion, you would have an implosion, a sucking in, and then as it gets more mass, dragging more into it.
01:01:04.000If a black hole ever gets purchased, that is, gets a toehold in one of these reactors, and they've already made quite a few, You won't feel anything.
01:01:12.000It will suck the earth up in less than a second.
01:01:17.000And it will reach the sun in just a few minutes.
01:01:39.000Let's go ahead and have random genetic engineering which could cause massive problems, wipe out whole sets of life forms, already doing it in the lab.
01:01:50.000Let's ignore the engineers that brought you A-bombs and hydrogen bombs 60-something years later, doing things billions of times more dangerous conservatively.
01:02:37.000Air Force is quietly spending millions of dollars investigating ways to use a radical power source, antimatter, the eerie mirror of ordinary matter in future weapons.
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01:09:00.000No, we're just Americans who don't like corruption.
01:09:03.000Now, we've got a lot of war drums, a lot of circling Iran, a lot of mashing trips, trying to... Al-Sadr for... Well, he had a ceasefire a year and a half ago, then it broke another for six months.
01:09:17.000They're always trying to then come in and sneak attack him.
01:09:22.000Some say it was a prelude to go into Uh, Iran.
01:09:27.000We'll talk about the war, we'll talk about the economy, we'll talk about the domestic police state, Mukasey, stumbling and saying they had NSA transmissions but that they couldn't follow them.
01:09:37.000In fact, cue up that, uh, John, cue up that, to the third part, that last minute, uh, with the Countdown host, Keith Uberman, where he's laying it out saying somebody needs to basically Well, it's a lot of stuff happening right now.
01:09:57.000The economy certainly remains a very large part of the story.
01:09:59.000I haven't talked to Mike yet, so I'll just ask him on air.
01:10:01.000Mike Rivera, what do you think of those subjects I just threw out we should get into first, or is there some other subject you want to cover first?
01:10:08.000Well, there's a lot of stuff happening right now.
01:10:10.000The economy certainly remains a very large part of the story.
01:10:14.000The al-Satr situation this last week I think is worth noting because, as you point out, he did not start this escalation.
01:10:24.000government attempting to distance itself and saying, well, Maliki acted on his own and we didn't encourage him or authorize him to do that, which kind of reveals that the U.S.
01:10:34.000does still see itself as kind of running the place with any pretensions of democracy for Iraq notwithstanding.
01:10:44.000government was intercepting phone calls related to 9-11 before it actually happened, again, it's just more fodder for those who realize that there's something very funny about that official story.
01:11:08.000Almost ignored in the coverage of his speech to the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco pleading for telecom immunity.
01:11:14.000Attorney General Michael Mukasey also said, quote, before 9-11, that's the call that we didn't know about.
01:11:20.000We knew that there has been a call from someplace that was known to be a safe house in Afghanistan, and we knew that it came to the United States.
01:11:27.000We didn't know precisely where it went.
01:11:31.000The government knew about some phone call from a safe house in Afghanistan into the U.S.
01:11:36.000about 9-11, before 9-11, and even though it had the same FISA courts and the same right to act against international targets in 2001 as it does now?
01:11:49.000Well, this would seem to leave only two options.
01:11:51.000Either the Attorney General just admitted that the government for which he works is guilty of malfeasant complicity in the 9-11 attacks, or he's lying.
01:12:13.000Uh, yeah it is, and I would favor the Gitmo option here because unfortunately a lot of these guys, when you get them under oath, they're still gonna lie anyway.
01:12:21.000And the bottom line is, when you get to the core issues of 9-11, regardless of what the ultimate truth really is, the fact is, the existence of lies and cover-up and deceptions delegitimizes the entire country.
01:12:34.000And it's a scandal which nobody is going to allow out.
01:12:37.000So I don't even think hearings under oath are going to do anything.
01:12:41.000It's just more an attempt to obfuscate the situation.
01:12:44.000I think the bottom line is, we the people know we were lied to about 9-11.
01:13:36.000You know, and it was easy for us to beat the mainstream media because we do have the truth on our side and the people want the truth.
01:13:42.000Ultimately, there's another statistic that came out this last week.
01:13:45.000Newspaper advertising revenues are at a 50-year low.
01:13:49.000People are not reading the newspapers anymore because the newspapers are full of advertising for white sales and government lies and deceptions and people just don't want to bother with that anymore.
01:14:02.000I mean, I put an ad in the paper last year And I paid like $350 for a tiny ad, maybe an inch and a half long, inch wide, and I got I think three phone calls and they were worthless.
01:14:17.000And then I put one in Craigslist for free and got like $300 plus.
01:14:22.000The Internet is now the high ground in the war for the minds of America.
01:14:26.000And there's a story I just put up on What Really Happened This Morning, where the government admits it is going out, it's trying to find bloggers that they can hire or bribe, or out of some misguided idea of patriotism, convince them to put out the government's version of story on their blogs.
01:14:44.000Uh, in order to try and get ahead of the ball on the internet and get back control of the public dialogue.
01:14:50.000That's not gonna work, but I mean, as long as they waste time on things that won't work, that's wonderful.
01:14:55.000I mean, CENTCOM admitted two years ago they have thousands of troops at their desk, and they're the ones, they're so dumb, they even use their own handles.
01:15:03.000And then you go find their MySpace, and there they are, and they'll openly say, I'm in the military, I can't wait to kill you.
01:15:09.000But they're the house slave, kind of, because the majority of troops support Ron Paul, support Liberty, it's only the little house slaves that actually sit in the propaganda belly who were selected because they were weak-minded to begin with, and so the enemy's personnel is so stupid, because you've got to be stupid to serve them, that their propaganda is so ham-fisted that it's showing everyone...
01:15:34.000Yeah, I agree because, you know, once the public becomes aware that these games are being played, it becomes very obvious when they see it.
01:15:42.000You know, the reason, and I've been saying this all along, one of the worst problems that the government faces is they've never really conceptually gotten a handle on the Internet and alternative media, and they're still trying to play the propaganda game by the rules that worked at the height of the Cold War in the 1950s and the 1960s.
01:15:59.000Back when media was all one way, where the government says, the TV and radio broadcast, and the public accepts, and there was no feedback.
01:16:07.000But in the age of the internet, the whole dynamic of information flow has changed, and the government has never quite gotten a handle on that.
01:16:16.000And that's why these Cold War era propaganda tricks they're trying to play now, Not only don't work, they call attention to themselves.
01:16:22.000And this is the reason you have these polls, where the New Yorkers, half of them believe 9-11 was an inside job.
01:16:28.000And that number's going to keep on going up.
01:16:30.000Because, you know, the facts are obvious when you look at them objectively.
01:17:28.000I mean, four months ago, the British Intel and then the Fox put out this vague thing about 1,500 White Al Qaeda's.
01:17:37.000They're everywhere, they're going to kill you, and then at the end said, this isn't a confirmed report.
01:17:41.000Just totally made up on its face, and now, That little demonic, he just radiates weakness.
01:17:48.000That's what I call a chicken neck, I'm sorry.
01:17:52.000Hayden, the guy that heads up the CIA, did head up the NSA, and now he says white Al Qaeda is everywhere and is going to kill us.
01:17:58.000I mean, this is really getting stupid.
01:18:01.000Well, what they're attempting to do is to justify the surveillance on ordinary Americans because people are starting to stand up to all the surveillance and the spying and the wiretapping and the emails and saying, why are you watching us?
01:18:12.000We're not the enemy, but you're treating us like the enemy.
01:18:15.000The enemy is over there, and if you believe the propaganda, it's the Arab Muslims.
01:18:22.000So now they're trying to create this idea, well, there are Al-Qaeda in America, and they look just like you, and that's why we've got to look at all of you.
01:18:29.000And it's just another way of attempting to sell this idea that we should submit to constant scanning, constant surveillance.
01:19:00.000You've got the Intel Center uploading it, and top Wired magazine, you know, top computer people look at it, and they're placing the Intel Center bug in the same video letter as the Al-Qaeda bug.
01:19:12.000I mean, Adam Gadon, grandson of the ADL head.
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01:24:26.000And then you'll have, in the same video layer, and they have ways looking at the pixels to be able to tell this, in the same video layer, you will have the Intel Center logo.
01:24:37.000And there have been a lot of other reports where they always catch these different Elkata types being uploaded from government servers in the U.S.
01:24:51.000citizens or Israeli citizens are tied into the ADL, caught putting out videos in English.
01:24:56.000Listen, scum, we will kill you dirty Americans!
01:25:00.000So you can hear it in your own language and people, that dirty Al-Qaeda!
01:25:05.000Mike, can you speak as a special effects expert on what we're witnessing here?
01:25:10.000Well, I don't think you need to look at it from the point of view of special effects.
01:25:14.000It's just very obviously it's propaganda.
01:25:17.000You know, political organizations, which, you know, everybody's a political organization, they build power by building supporters.
01:25:25.000They don't go out of their way to make enemies, especially enemies of people who are going to have the potential capability of coming in and inflicting serious, serious harm.
01:25:34.000So anytime you get anything that looks like it's an assault, you know, if somebody's trying to pick a fight, and psychiatrists call this Let's you and him fight, and this is a human trait of exerting one's own power by tricking other people to hurt each other and kill each other for you, and keep your own hands clean.
01:25:59.000Yeah, very much so, and you know, of course, Israel has a long record of playing these kind of deceptions, going back to the bombing of the King David Hotel, the Levon Affair, the attack on the USS Liberty, And so when you see these propaganda videos coming out that are being made by somebody that's known to be the grandson of an ADL board member, you have to say, what is this guy really trying to do?
01:26:21.000And it's obvious he's trying to build anger in America to go kill Muslims, and ultimately, because we have never actually been invaded by Muslims, this is something we have to ask.
01:26:33.000Who really stands to benefit by America's war on all these things?
01:26:39.000Adam Perlman, now Gadahn, even got in trouble once and got arrested for going to Mosque to beat up Muslims.
01:27:13.000And in some of the videos that we've seen, the beards are obviously phony.
01:27:19.000The guys don't even look like Osama over time.
01:27:21.000The more they make these videotapes, the less like the real Osama looks.
01:27:25.000I think they're trying to migrate him into a newer, younger, more dangerous-looking version and hope that nobody notices that he's changing over time.
01:27:34.000But the reality is most people are now aware that Osama Bin Laden himself died in December of 2001 of medical issues.
01:27:41.000And every Osama since then has been a fake of one form or another.
01:27:46.000And like I said in the last segment, the problem from the point of view of the U.S.
01:27:50.000government is they're playing the game by the rules that worked in the 1950s and 1960s, and they just don't get it.
01:27:58.000You know, back in the 50s and 60s, they would be happy if they fooled 95% of Americans into going along with the agenda.
01:28:05.000Because that other 5% that weren't fooled were harmless and helpless and couldn't do anything about it.
01:28:11.000The instant one person spots the fraud and puts out exactly why they think it's a fraud, everybody who reads it looks at it and says, oh yeah.
01:28:20.000And the instant the government is exposed on a single lie, all of a sudden everybody is looking at everything the government has ever said with a new, very critical eye.
01:28:34.000Every week there's a new Al-Qaeda tape that always serves the interests of the Western bankers and that never even says where it comes from.
01:28:43.000It just says the message board has a new tape.
01:28:46.000And then the news acts like it's authentic, and suddenly all the standards of journalism for the AP and Reuters don't exist anymore.
01:28:53.000Well, the reason for that is very simple.
01:28:55.000Every time they would put out this new Al-Qaeda website, computer experts would track down the site and they'd find it was located in West Virginia, or in Texas, or some other place inside the United States.
01:29:06.000They couldn't hide where the actual server was, so now they won't announce them anymore.
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01:33:51.000though when people call for violence we do make an attempt to go and delete it we always track the i_p_ back in it appears to be the federal uh...
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01:37:31.000Going back to Mike, I want to move quick, Mike, here.
01:37:35.000Your take on the plan to go into Iran, despite the fact that it's unpopular, despite the fact that the people don't want it, they are still... we had Betrayus say last week that he wanted To, you know, do something against Iran because he thought they launched the attacks on the Green Zone.
01:37:56.000Then you have Bush bragging that they ordered the attack.
01:37:58.000Then when it failed in Basra, he said he wasn't part of the attack.
01:38:04.000Do you really think they've got the chutzpah or the bravado to do it?
01:38:09.000Well, I don't even think it has anything to do with chutzpah and bravado.
01:38:13.000I think the plan is that if they can start a whole new war in Iran, that they might get back their popularity and their poll numbers that they got after the invasion of Iraq immediately after.
01:38:24.000In other words, they're trying to create a whole new crisis to distract from all the other crises that are definitely turning against them.
01:38:30.000But I'm looking at this last situation in Basra, and before it kicked up, first part of the month of March, they were saying that everything was really quiet in Iraq, and that proved the surge was working.
01:38:41.000And then as soon as we have all this violence escalating, Bush is back on TV saying, this proves the surge is working, because now they're striking back against it.
01:38:49.000And it was like, no matter what happens, you know, it's a good thing for us.
01:38:53.000It proves the surge is working, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:38:55.000And it really, they're lying to look good at the moment, and they're really not even paying attention to what they said before, because they're assuming that the rest of us aren't paying attention to what was said before.
01:39:08.000And again, this reveals they don't understand how the information processing of the American people and the rest of the world is changing.
01:39:23.000And I think the desire to go into Iran is, first of all, to prove that they can still do it.
01:39:28.000To prove that they and not the American people are running the country.
01:39:31.000But mostly, I think, They are convinced that if they can start a new war in Iran, that all of a sudden the American people are going to fall into line behind them and say, yes, we've got a big war, we must march off and send our children to die in Iran, and so forth and so on.
01:39:45.000Ultimately, though, if Bush keeps pushing, we could find ourselves at war with Russia or China, or both, and I don't think that's the situation any of us want.
01:39:57.000Well, I agree with you that they see it as failing forward.
01:39:59.000Like all the Republican memos have said, either we're going to have a new war, or Saddam is going to be captured, but that didn't work, or Bin Laden is going to be captured, or a new 9-11.
01:40:11.000And then we had Republicans writing all these memos, and then it came out in the news, oh, we want terror attacks.
01:40:18.000I mean, first off, they do need to fail forward, but I see that as blowing up in their face.
01:40:23.000Do you think they realize that, A, and then B, why do we have people like Gary Hart coming out and writing letters to Iran saying, we'll stage terror attacks, you better do what we say?
01:40:34.000It just seems like it's a mix of panic plus total hubris.
01:40:40.000Yeah, absolutely, and that's a bad combination because sooner or later, When you have a political leadership that is that in love with their own agenda and philosophy and their self-image, and that out of touch with their own people, sooner or later they're going to make the big mistake that brings it all down.
01:40:57.000I mean, if you go back and you look at Ceausescu or Charles I or Louis XVI, These were rulers who miscalculated and they made the mistake of pushing just a little too far and it all came apart.
01:41:10.000Well they miscalculated, they miscalculated, they tried to have a nine to the long knives against the Shiites, tried to arrest and kill them from Baghdad to Basra, and then the Shiites fought back and the news didn't even report that.
01:41:23.000It was all over the foreign press and just said those dirty Shiites, they snuck attack us.
01:41:28.000No, the globalists ran a sneak attack on them.
01:41:31.000Yeah, Maliki started the whole situation, and he put his... he found himself, you know, with his hand in a bear trap and tried to pull back.
01:41:39.000And, you know, Iran comes in playing peacemaker, which makes the U.S.
01:41:43.000And al-Sadr says, yeah, we'll back off as long as you don't attack us again.
01:41:49.000And what that basically means is Maliki is now seen as no longer in control of all of Iraq.
01:41:55.000And it turns out that Bush's boyfriend, Petraeus, known as Petraeus, it turns out that he really thought that al-Sadr stood down because he was weak.
01:42:06.000Instead, al-Sadr had built up their system.
01:42:11.000Absolutely, and the consensus coming out of Iraq right now is there are parts of Iraq that are under Maliki's control, there are parts of Iraq which de facto are under al-Sadr's control, and everybody knows which is which, and they know not to go into the other side.
01:42:25.000And this is probably going to deteriorate into the same situation we had in Mogadishu a few years back, if you go back to the whole Blackhawk Down situation.
01:42:34.000Where everything's factionalized and broke up and we wound up, you know, the U.S.
01:42:39.000wound up very embarrassed in that situation.
01:43:28.000Well, you know, Bush has violated and just outright ignored so many treaties, and that's considered the highest commitment between nations, is when you sign a treaty.
01:43:38.000And for Bush to have set so many of them aside, the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks, the Geneva Conventions, all of these things are no longer part of the United States, and the rest of the world is saying, okay, well, the U.S.
01:43:52.000is not the moral leader they used to be.
01:43:54.000You know, we're going to be decades recovering from this, if we recover from it at all.
01:44:01.000Also, Cheney and Bush and Rumsfeld came out and bragged about torture in press conferences.
01:44:08.000I'll never forget seeing Rumsfeld openly say it in a Pentagon press conference in 2002.
01:44:13.000They thought they could sell everybody on their mindset because they have to recruit people, so they have to kind of be public about what they want to do.
01:44:21.000And they've hung their shingle out, and they've said, hey, we want martial law, we want police state, we want 100 year war, we want to take your rights, and the people are rejecting it, and in a way, they're trying to sell evil as good, I think, prove to everybody that you and I and others were telling them the truth, because this stuff sounded crazy 10 years ago, or 5 years ago.
01:45:05.000You know, and it really doesn't make me feel all that much better for them to be saying, now, you were right, because if they realized I was, or we were right back then, we might have had a little more success in kind of heading off some of the stuff that's happened, that we didn't want to happen, like the torture.
01:45:23.000But, you know, at least people are waking up now, and I think because of that, you know, there is a good chance we may be able to derail this rush into World War III.
01:45:36.000You know, for people out there listening, don't think we're completely out of the woods.
01:45:40.000The people running our country are very bold.
01:45:42.000I mean, they flew planes into buildings.
01:45:44.000They killed 3,000 of us because it's a military decision.
01:45:48.000Just like a military leader will put 3,000 of his troops in a valley to pull in the enemy to show themselves and knowing it will sacrifice his 3,000.
01:45:55.000That's happened many, many times with even greater numbers in some cases.
01:45:59.000So it was a military mindset that did that out of the military-industrial complex allied with of the international bankers.
01:46:09.000We need to understand they are very bold, Mike.
01:46:12.000And I just hope and pray that somehow people in government stop them.
01:46:20.000Well, I'd like to see that, but, you know, I kind of had that same idea 15 years ago when all I was focused on was the Vince Foster case.
01:46:27.000I kept thinking, if I just put out these facts, you know, that people within the FBI are going to say, hey, yeah, there's really a crime that took place here.
01:46:53.000The other part of it is, there is, within some circles of government, an agenda for depopulation.
01:47:00.000If you look what's happening right now with the food shortages starting to happen, everybody's going to be screaming, population is a problem, and this all goes back to Henry Kissinger's National Security Study 200, Which during the Nixon era said, we can control world population if we can deliberately cause famine.
01:47:26.000There is a larger international force playing Bush and the neocons kind of as their meat puppets.
01:47:32.000But now I do see even that elite group seeing that the rook they put forward, the neocons, has been a failure.
01:47:41.000And now they're trying to extricate themselves from what they've started, and it appears that the neocons are running along on their own steam, refusing to be drawn back in.
01:47:54.000Yeah, I would, but you know, it's not always that clear-cut.
01:47:58.000There are a lot of overlapping factions and a lot of temporary alliances.
01:48:02.000I think a lot of the support the Neocons did have is leaving them because they've become too visible.
01:48:07.000They've really lost the support of the majority of the American people who recognize there's nothing really conservative about the Neoconservative movement, that it's basically fascism under a new name.
01:48:19.000And Americans have really turned their backs on that, especially because we've been bankrupted by those wars started with life and war.
01:48:29.000I'm talking about the Vildenberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the CFR.
01:48:36.000I think that's the same group of people.
01:48:38.000I think their support for the neocons is definitely on the wane because the neocons have not been able to deliver what they were going to deliver, which is U.S.
01:49:04.000So now they're looking for another device.
01:49:06.000That's one of the reasons why I think, believe it or not, the same forces are kind of behind this whole global warming thing, where they want to sell us carbon taxes, they want to justify complete control over our lives in terms of how much energy we're using.
01:49:21.000They've got, we're going to take your rights to fight the boogeyman Al-Qaeda, and we're going to take your rights to fight the boogeyman Mr. Evil Carbon Dioxide.
01:49:31.000It's constantly creating a new enemy for you to be afraid of, so that they can take your money and your rights away, In order to protect you from, you know, the mythical Osama Carbon... Meanwhile, Mike, they're genetic engineering uncontrolled, deadly dangerous, they've got particle accelerators smashing heavy elements together, and the majority of physicists say it's very dangerous.
01:49:55.000Well, the elite, they're in love with their own power and ability to do things, and, you know, they basically look back through history, and they say everything that bad goes on, we can stick on somebody else.
01:50:05.000But in the case of the genetic engineering, and possibly with this accelerator in Europe, we're dealing with technologies that have the potential really to wreck the entire world and not just an area.
01:50:18.000Chernobyl, as terrible as it was, was confined to a small area.
01:50:22.000You put up a chain link fence around it, nobody goes in.
01:50:53.000The forces of globalism are destroying national sovereignty worldwide.
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01:54:57.000Max Planck and others, a hundred years ago, drew up equations for A-bombs.
01:55:02.000Sixty-five years ago, they detonated one.
01:55:06.000And now we've got things much more advanced.
01:55:08.000And the scientists I've been reading over it, prestigious physicists, are saying there is a good chance that doing this could really cause massive disasters.
01:55:27.000Yeah, it really, really is, because we're getting to an area where the technologies do have a potential to threaten Earth as a whole.
01:55:37.000And the example I like to use is not from the nuclear physics, but from genetic research.
01:55:42.000Because when you have an accident like a Chernobyl, as terrible as it is, it's confined to just one place.
01:55:48.000You put fences around it, you say nobody can go in there for the next thousand years, and that's kind of the end of it, and you live and learn and you move forward.
01:55:56.000But in the case of genetic tinkering, where a lot of these products are being put out before they're fully understood how they're going to affect the environment, and we start getting these synthetic genes migrating into natural plants, and we get unpredictable effects.
01:56:14.000There is, apparently back in 1999, it was already known that genetically modified plants were killing the larvae of monarch butterflies.
01:56:24.000And now, of course, we have the situation where the bees that we depend on to pollinate our food crop plants are starting to die off.
01:56:31.000Apparently, statistics out of North Dakota is they've lost half their bee population in the last year.
01:56:38.000So, unlike a nuclear accident, which is confined to one area, if you get a bad gene, like a gene that sterilizes life forms, After so many generations, and it gets out into the wild, it will spread everywhere on Earth.
01:56:52.000Or nanotech, biological nanotech, the classic grey goo, or something that, you know, attacks the basic oxygen absorption of all blood cells, killing all animals.
01:57:04.000I mean, it's just like five years ago, the big government university in Australia released the coding and the recipe to build a mousepox that kills any mammal you engineer it for 100%.
01:57:17.000And they just put out the ingredient list.
01:57:19.000Why do you think they're doing that, Mike?
01:57:21.000Well, it was a very reckless thing to do, and I know sometimes that university scientists, you know, don't see the world as necessarily an evil place, and they need to be careful.
01:57:33.000But yeah, they put these formulas out there, and now we've got our scientists up in there in the Arctic.
01:57:38.000They're digging up the Spanish flu to play with again, which, by the way, is hideously misnamed because it did not come from Spain.
01:57:47.000But with regard to the situation with the Collider in CERN, I'm surprised to hear them say that it could conceivably make a quantum black hole.
01:57:57.000I'm even more alarmed where they're saying that they just assume that any quantum black hole made would simply evaporate because this is based on a very flawed, I feel, theory of the universe.
01:58:10.000I don't know if we have enough time to really get into it.
02:00:00.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
02:00:04.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
02:00:10.000We're already into hour number three of your calls here momentarily.
02:00:14.000Got a physicist coming on to talk about the dangers of this heavy reactor, this superconducting supercollider.
02:00:23.000Over in Europe, they've just completed and they're about to start playing with the building blocks of the universe.
02:00:28.000And a lot of prestigious physicists are warning it's very dangerous.
02:00:33.000They have already made black holes in some of these laboratories, but these are even bigger and more dangerous types that they admit can be made.
02:00:40.000Talking to Mike Rivera, finishing up with your take on that, Mike, and then we're going to go to calls.
02:00:45.000Well, basically, the idea that black holes are going to evaporate.
02:00:49.000I'm not sure what they're creating in the laboratory.
02:00:51.000And one of the things to keep in mind is, at the energy levels that they're talking about, that this device is operating, they may not be finding new subatomic particles.
02:01:06.000They admit this new mega-reactor does that.
02:01:10.000And the idea is, these particles may not exist in nature, so what the value of creating them is, you know, we can't really... No, no, that's what I said.
02:01:27.000Yeah, the idea is that, you know, this is a very dangerous device.
02:01:32.000When you start getting into the idea of creating black holes, I challenge this idea that somehow they just evaporate.
02:01:40.000Because the reason that it's claimed they simply evaporate is because if you subscribe to the theory of the Big Bang, in that moment where the universe came into being, the mass density was so great there should have been all huge clouds of little tiny black holes.
02:02:02.000And eventually the whole universe would become, instead of one gigantic black hole at the beginning, a lot of smaller black holes all over the universe.
02:02:10.000So the question is, where do all these black holes that had to attend the creation of the universe go to?
02:02:15.000They say, oh, well, they simply evaporated.
02:02:18.000But this is kind of like the theory of epicycles.
02:02:20.000When they began to look at the planets and realized they didn't follow the path that the Earth-centered A universe theory said they should, instead of going back and looking at that first theory, they made up the theory of epicycles, which ultimately turned out to be fake.
02:02:34.000If they create a real black hole in this collider, I'm not reassured it's going to simply evaporate, and of course there's no way to hang on to something like that.
02:02:44.000If they create a real black hole and they drop it, basically that's, you know, that's the death warrant on the Earth.
02:02:50.000No, it's going to go to the core of the Earth and suck the planet into it.
02:02:53.000Yeah, and it's really risky for them to be doing this.
02:02:58.000And I know they've made the claim that they've created tiny black holes that vanished instantaneously.
02:03:03.000I'm not sure they really did, because, you know, once you have a mass that is in a black hole state, by what means is that mass or energy ever able to escape it?
02:03:15.000So you can ask your physicist guest about that, and I would love to be enlightened, but I am not Absolutely reassured that a genuine black hole created in the laboratory is simply going to pop out of existence.
02:03:28.000Yeah, well they talk about them decaying if they don't get enough mass sucked into them.
02:03:32.000But you would imagine that the Big Bang there's going to be plenty of matter to be sucked into the black holes to make them larger and more powerful.
02:03:40.000Plus, if it got so dense it then exploded, why didn't it immediately start contracting again?
02:03:48.000There are a lot of reasons to really question that whole Big Bang Theory, and by extension, to question any assumptions made on the basis of it.
02:03:56.000But, you know, again, I'm not paid to be a physicist, or I haven't been for 20 years now.
02:04:02.000Wells, 95 years ago, wrote books about A-bombs.
02:04:06.000It shows that a lot of the stuff's on the books before they do it, and a lot of physicists are saying it's going to make black holes, and they believe it's going to destroy the Earth, and they're saying, yeah, it'll probably make one, but it'll just decay because the equations show this.
02:04:21.000Well, you know, the equations showed that epicycles would work, too, but the equations don't reflect reality.
02:04:27.000They just reflect this model, and sometimes the models are accurate, and sometimes they are not.
02:04:32.000I mean, don't forget, we went into Iraq with all these Pentagon computer mathematical models of how easy it was going to be to win there.
02:04:39.000Well, they used flawed models on the global warming front, too.
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02:08:15.000You're on the air, thanks for holding.
02:08:20.000On the subject of life extension technology, to extend life you obviously need to be free of disease, so I just wanted to know your opinions on the clinical research of Dr. Royal Raymond Rife and the ability to be able to cure most microbial diseases by hitting them with resonant frequency that he so-called claimed to do back in the 1930s.
02:08:45.000Okay, let me give you my answer to that.
02:08:47.000I am not a physician, either Western medicine or Eastern medicine.
02:08:52.000I have interviewed hundreds and hundreds of medical experts who've actually proven what they talk about.
02:09:44.000Guns, gold, food, silver, water filters.
02:09:48.000I mean, everybody knows that aloe vera is good for you.
02:09:53.000I mean, I grew up, you know, getting burns and then learning it made it feel better, when an ice cube didn't.
02:10:00.000And so, because the mainstream media lies and spins so much, we then tend to think that all the alternative media is telling the truth, and what it is, is a lot of people Taking advantage of well-meaning patriots.
02:10:28.000These little things you stick on cell phones, a little sticker that supposedly blocks the cell phone radiation, or changes the frequency, total bull.
02:10:44.000There's a lot of flummery going on out there.
02:10:48.000But as far as the issue of life extension and disease, I think we place too much emphasis on getting rid of all microbial diseases because it's part of our natural process that, you know, our immune system needs these small infections in order to strengthen itself and make it more able to deal with more serious diseases down the road.
02:11:07.000And it's kind of interesting there's an anecdotal correlation for people who have lived the longest into the hundreds to have gone through periods of extreme ill health when they're very, very young.
02:11:40.000Yeah, basically, we're programmed to self-destruct because life forms that don't self-destruct tend to exhaust their food supply and become extinct very, very quickly.
02:11:51.000And so we have evolved a population control measure, which is that we eventually die off and make way for the ones that come afterwards.
02:12:21.000Yeah, and the other thing to remember is that if there really was a way to extend life significantly, it's never going to be allowed onto the general public because it would trigger an immediate population Explosion and a Malthusian contact.
02:12:36.000They are getting radical extension systems, but they're finding more and more that the elites are going to be able to extend life, but not indefinitely, but they will be able to genetically mess with our DNA and to turn off the mechanisms that do that.
02:12:51.000Yeah, but again, it will never be... That's got to be done at the cellular level pre-pre-chestation, correct?
02:12:58.000I'm not 100% certain it's going to remain that way.
02:13:00.000We're starting to see gene therapies that allow for modification in matured organisms.
02:13:06.000That's the massive extension, but I mean to really have something that doesn't die for thousands of years with the current template we've got, you're going to have to have manipulation before the zygote level with the sperm and the egg to make those genetics work together.
02:14:09.000My thing is, I actually didn't have a problem with that.
02:14:13.000What I found out was, a company, very specifically, a company called CDI, Controlled Demolition Incorporated, Was the company that physically did the actual detonation?
02:14:24.000Well, I don't know about that, but I'd like to hear your proof.
02:14:26.000We know they did Oklahoma City and the World Trade Center, but... Alex, my point is, I knew nothing about CDI before 2006.
02:14:38.000Then it took me about five minutes with the research to know that they have their gritty little paws in absolutely every single questionable demolition over the last hundred years.
02:14:50.000Then I realized, what were they doing?
02:14:53.000And my question, this is really the big question.
02:14:55.000What was CDI, Controlled Demolition Incorporated, doing in New York City for six weeks prior to 9-11?
02:15:05.000Well, they even bought a major steel smelting facility six months before in New York and they were even contracting with truck companies previously for masses of steel and they are always the company that is hired to cover up the crime scenes and then post armed guards around it.
02:15:25.000They came in and going back to the Oklahoma City bombing
02:15:29.000Uh, there was, uh, that strange double pulse on the seismic wave that, uh, came out from the original bombing of the Murrah building, and then when, uh, controlled demolition, uh, took the remains of the building down, I noted how they deliberately brought it down in two chunks to try and create a similar double pulse wave, but all they really did was confirm that there had to be two separate events, uh, regarded to the Oklahoma building when, uh, when the first attack took place.
02:15:57.000Which seems consistent with the idea that there were, in fact, cutter charges inside the Murrah building that were detonated about five seconds before the main truck bomb went off.
02:16:07.000But yeah, they're definitely involved in all of these situations.
02:16:12.000And yeah, they very much seem to be part and parcel to a lot of these very questionable cleanups.
02:16:17.000I have now traced CDI over the last two years to over two dozen Mysterious detonations from China, to Russia, to the Congo, Indonesia, all over North America.
02:16:46.000I was there with several people who told me they can't tell me under some kind of bizarro strict oath which okay whatever and then the name cdi kept coming up apple that didn't mean anything to me it didn't mean anything until after i realized where that company and well as a lot of other article approval posted appreciate the call uh...
02:17:09.000david in montana you're on the air last call we have time for from mike rivero well i don't want to get your subject but i did want to talk to you about something about a second amendment cases being heard by the supreme court Yeah, it's a gun gathering rule for gun control.
02:17:28.000Montana Secretary of State, Brad Johnson, has sent a letter to the Supreme Court that guns are legal in his state under the Compact, which each party agreed to when Montana joined the Union in 1889.
02:17:59.000And included in that letter says that if the Supreme Court ruling says that the Second Amendment rights apply only collectively, it would violate the contract under which Montana has entered the Union as a state.
02:18:17.000Mike, you know, them going after our guns, they just aren't gonna stop pushing, are they, Mike?
02:18:22.000No, they aren't, because, you know, in order to feel secure in their power, they're going to have to render the American people completely helpless.
02:18:29.000And that's more than just constant surveillance and listening to our phone calls and reading our mail.
02:18:41.000government is in so much debt, the only way they can even think to float their loans along is to put an 80 to 90 percent aggregate tax rate on every American citizen.
02:18:51.000And we're already dying here at a 50% aggregate rate.
02:18:54.000So yeah, they're trying to figure out some way to trick us into giving up the guns.
02:19:00.000Boy, they're really saying the economy's melting down.
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02:24:35.000He was quoted heavily in the New York Times article asking a judge to save the world or more in their science section.
02:24:46.000He's got degrees in physics and biology working with other physicists concerned about not just superconducting super colliders but other Devices that the different nuclear engineers and others are doing raw research with.
02:25:05.000And I remember 20 years ago, reading scientific papers with top physicists worried about these.
02:25:11.000They could create black holes, or they could create antimatter chain reactions.
02:25:19.000And they're doing thousands of tests a year on these different colliders alone.
02:25:25.000And so we are honored to have Mr. Wagner on with us.
02:25:28.000He and a colleague are suing because they haven't even done basic environmental assessments that you'd need to put a septic tank in at your house, much less to have these Star Trek-type systems working.
02:27:23.000The particle that was detected, we believe, was a magnetic monopole.
02:27:27.000It was a cosmic ray, the particle track that we saw, that was completely different from all the tens of thousands of other cosmic ray tracks we've previously seen.
02:27:37.000Well, anyway, after that I decided to almost on a lark to do law school to see what that was like.
02:27:46.000So I spent three years struggling through law school and then got out of that and decided that's not what I wanted to do.
02:27:50.000I went back to work in physics and worked in nuclear medicine, out of the nuclear medicine department in health physics, where we were using a large Varieties of radioactive materials and medical research.
02:28:05.000And I overviewed the program for about 400 authorized users to make certain that they were following the rules and regulations properly, they understood the physics of the radioactive materials.
02:28:18.000So you've worked in a wide range of fields.
02:28:20.000When did you start getting concerned about these giant superconducting super colliders and some of the tests they were doing?
02:28:28.000It was about 1987 I first became concerned about it.
02:28:31.000I had initially been very much in favor of building larger machines.
02:28:36.000Back then they were not colliders, they were fixed target accelerators where you have just a single beam running into a target.
02:28:44.000And then I started thinking about what ultimately could happen.
02:28:48.000I started considering the possibility that if you continue to increase the energy of these beams, Uh, that eventually you might be able to create a very small tiny black hole.
02:29:00.000And I didn't know what that threshold would be that it would take to do that.
02:29:07.000Are these the same type of black holes that they collect?
02:29:10.000We'll come right back, because I have AP, Scientists Create Artificial Black Hole in Lab, and it says they were using a collider to do this.
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02:33:44.000And we're talking to a gentleman who's a physicist, biologist, worked in many different fields, and they filed a lawsuit to block Uh, the biggest superkinetic supercollider in the world, I guess, that's the modern name from the primitive cyclotrons, but where they can even create new elements.
02:34:02.000Please continue, sir, just the basics of these, why you believe they're dangerous.
02:34:06.000There's a lot of other experts that also think that it's dangerous as well.
02:34:12.000Well, they are cyclotrons, and what they have done now is instead of running the cyclotron into a fixed target, they now run the beam into each other head-on, and they are increasing the amount of energy that's available for new particle production.
02:34:29.000And that's the entire purpose of this, is to try to create new particles.
02:34:35.000And this LHC machine is going to be the most energetic particle collider ever built.
02:34:41.000It's basically about the size of the superconducting supercollider that was under construction there in Texas.
02:34:47.000Why did DARPA and the Defense Department decide to not do it in the U.S.?
02:34:52.000It's being built by the same people, in essence.
02:34:55.000It's the Fermilab people who have constructed the magnets.
02:34:59.000Why did DARPA and the Defense Department decide to not do it in the U.S.?
02:35:48.000But back to the colliders, by colliding these beams head-on into each other, you are able to generate far more energy available for particle production, and they are hoping to create new kinds of particles.
02:36:00.000It's sometimes called the God Machine, because one of the particles that they are looking to create has been called the God particle, the Higgs boson.
02:36:10.000There are other particles that they think they might be able to create.
02:36:14.000Tell the listeners what a Higgs boson is.
02:36:16.000It's a field theory that would ascribe the reason for all other particles having the property of mass.
02:36:28.000And so they believe that there is a fundamental carrier for that field called the Higgs boson.
02:36:36.000With primitive hundred year old equations, hundred year old ladies and gentlemen, they are able to make A-bombs with sixty-year-old equations are able to create hydrogen bombs and that is colliding particles with each other and so we bring this to another scale now not just firing particles into blocks of letter gold or whatever now they're accelerating an unknown into each other please continue but yes uh... the uh...
02:37:01.000the lxc is going to accelerate lead atoms uh... and rather probably to each other head-on uh... much like two cars running into head up each other head-on It will cause them to stop right there in the center of the machine, relatively stationary relative to Earth.
02:37:20.000In nature, when these high-energy particles come streaming in and hit the upper atmosphere, for example, anything new that's created keeps on going through the Earth at the speed of light.
02:37:31.000and has a very, very short period of time transiting the Earth, about a quarter of a second.
02:37:37.000And under the theories of some of these particles, for example, the micro-black hole, it takes a long while for them to start creating atoms, days, hours.
02:37:50.000And by creating one that's at rest, it gives it that opportunity to do that.
02:37:57.000It would be captured by Earth's gravity, it would remain in the Earth.
02:38:01.000We have high-mass particles being accelerated at each other.
02:38:04.000They're going to be sitting there, able, with their own gravitational pull, to begin accruing mass.
02:38:10.000Well, they would not so much from its own gravitational attraction accrete mass.
02:38:15.000It would just be by physical contact, by touching something.
02:38:18.000Anything it would touch would become part of it, become part of the black hole.
02:38:23.000And so in nature, if they travel through the Earth and they touch a single atom in the process of doing that, it will capture that atom and then exit through the Earth and won't be done otherwise.
02:38:33.000Because it's been accelerated naturally by the... It's going at the speed of light naturally.
02:38:39.000Here, we're trying to create them at rest, not moving.
02:38:44.000Now, does this tie into them, because again, I saw you back in the late 80s, early 90s, mid-90s, talking about this could make black holes back then, and others agreeing with you, other physicists, now they claim that they've made black holes, or is that a separate thing?
02:39:01.000That, Rick, they've created something that has similar properties to a black hole.
02:39:11.000It was actually a quark-gluon plasma, which would be a precursor to a creation of a different kind of a particle called a strangelet.
02:39:18.000And that's another possibility, that it could create strangelets by colliding the lead nuclei into each other.
02:39:25.000That's something that doesn't occur in nature.
02:39:27.000In nature, you have high-energy protons striking the Earth, And what this LHC machine will do is it will have high energy lead nuclei running into each other head on.
02:40:25.000Well, he's got a theory that quantum fluctuations in the vacuum would allow for a particle to fall into a micro black hole while the other one escapes, and that this could possibly allow them to evaporate.
02:40:41.000And that's basically the safety review that was done previously for the LHC said, well, we don't have to worry about these micro black holes because we know they will evaporate.
02:40:52.000Well, we don't know that they will evaporate.
02:41:36.000But when you put them together, they have about a thousand times more energy than the rest mass of the particle itself.
02:41:43.000That allows it to create a lot more kinds of quarks.
02:41:47.000Some of the kinds of quarks it would create would be strange quarks.
02:41:51.000It's believed that these can then rearrange themselves and form a new kind of a nucleus, a new kind of atom, called a strangelet, that's made out of up, down, and strange quarks.
02:42:01.000And this new kind of atom is more stable than a normal atom.
02:42:06.000In other words, if it touches a normal atom, it will fuse with it, release energy, and become even larger and more stable.
02:42:13.000This would allow for a chain reaction for it to continue to fuse with more and more atoms.
02:42:52.000And the problem is, I've been reading all weekend over the equations, what other physicists are saying, they agree with you and come up with even more horrible scenarios.
02:43:00.000And it seems that the more tests they do, numbering in the thousands per collider, it just starts increasing the probability that something's going to happen.
02:43:09.000Well, that's our concern, is that there has been no refutation of these theories.
02:43:15.000It's basically a plain Russian roulette.
02:43:19.000And we don't know how many chambers there are.
02:43:21.000How many bullets we're putting in the chambers?
02:43:26.000It's hoping that nothing goes wrong while we look for more information about the universe.
02:43:35.000You know, that's why it's called the God Machine, because these people believe that this won't answer all of their questions.
02:43:40.000Well, it will answer a few questions, and some questions.
02:43:44.000It certainly won't answer all the other questions other scientists are working on.
02:43:48.000Well I say this, it's too dangerous in the future of the species.
02:43:51.000I mean if they want to develop some super expensive program in the future and take it out to the asteroid belt or something, which still I know wouldn't make us safe, but I mean they just don't need to be doing this on the planet.
02:44:02.000You've got the same thing with GMO and these DNA guns randomly firing into things already giving rise to super viruses.
02:44:12.000I've had Nobel Prize winners on about this coming out and they just cover it up quietly.
02:44:16.000And what is it about the scientific community that they're just pell-mell, wildly just playing God, like sticking their you-know-what's in light sockets?
02:44:28.000That's one of the reasons we filed one of the affidavits was from a psychologist who actually has a background in biochemistry and astrophysics.
02:44:38.000But he's also professionally a psychologist.
02:44:41.000And he's analyzed the psychology of it.
02:44:43.000It's a desire, in large part, not only just to find knowledge, it's a desire for selfishness to find out this knowledge for yourself.
02:45:04.000And that's why we filed the suit, and that's why we want to have a thorough safety study that we can then evaluate, criticize, and take back to the court and say, here are the other flaws we found in this safety study.
02:45:17.000If you don't stop them now, it'll be bigger and bigger and bigger colliders, and more and more energy, and then there are a lot of other weird subatomic systems too, aren't there?
02:45:26.000There are already plans on the drawing board for even larger colliders.
02:48:07.000I was grateful to be able to get seven of us to file affidavits in support of this.
02:48:14.000Tell me about your colleague who is working on this with you.
02:48:17.000Dr. Sancho is a professor, formerly a professor in Spain, I believe at the University of Barcelona.
02:48:27.000He works in systems science, which is trying to integrate the fields of physics and biology.
02:48:35.000And he is extremely well-read in theoretical physics, and he independently, I suppose, came up with these concerns regarding the collider.
02:48:48.000And when he started reading about me on a number of blogs I posted on the Internet, he got in touch with me a couple years ago, and we started communicating extensively about this.
02:48:59.000Yeah, I want to get him on and get his take on things.
02:49:02.000He speaks pretty good English, doesn't he?
02:49:30.000Initially, when this issue first came up in 1999, I had that letter to Scientific American, and I raised the prospect that it might be able to create micro black holes, but I really didn't know, and I wanted to get some additional input from other people.
02:49:45.000And it was sort of roundly, say, this guy's a nut for saying that it might create a micro black hole.
02:49:51.000We know from our knowledge of physics that this can't happen, and so forth.
02:49:55.000Well, within two or three years, a number of theoretical papers came out saying that, yes, indeed, under some conditions of physics, this might well happen, that you might be able to create a micro black hole.
02:50:05.000And at that point, they turned around and said, well, we're going to try to create micro black holes.
02:50:09.000This will be some interesting physics.
02:50:13.000So your question spurred them trying to make these?
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02:53:47.000We're going to get Mr. Wagner's colleague, Mr. Sancho, on in the next few weeks.
02:54:01.000We'll get both of them back up for a full hour to explore this in a deeper way.
02:54:07.000I just want to make the point that about half the, this is mainstream news, half the people working on the A-bomb, the physicists thought it would ignite the atmosphere, but they went ahead with it.
02:54:20.000Now, they weren't right, but the point is that even though they thought it would ignite the atmosphere and burn the surface of the Earth, They still did it.
02:54:29.000And we know they blew holes in the ozone layer with the hydrogen bombs they detonated.
02:54:32.000They detonated hundreds in the high and low atmosphere.
02:55:11.000Other things that the equations and theories show that this could potentially form?
02:55:18.000Yeah, some people think it might create a magnetic monopole, and that might, thereafter, engage in a catalyzing the protons of our normal atoms and create, converting all of matter into some other kind of engage in a catalyzing the protons of our normal atoms and I don't know too much about that theory.
02:55:40.000There's another theory out there that it could cause a collapse or a penetration of an energy barrier between our universe and what's called a center space universe that underlies our universe.
02:55:52.000highly theoretical but but but they predicted that when probes flew over Saturn that those dimensions would manifest in a hexagon on its ice cap and it did well I don't know that they predicted that that's what occurred but they certainly they do have observed that that hexagon up there is very unusual pattern I'm very much in favor of all kinds of science and scientific
02:56:18.000I really want to see, we've got a satellite launch coming up in May called the GLAST, G-L-A-S-T satellite.
02:56:25.000It's going to have the potential for being able to search for what's called Hawking Radiation.
02:56:31.000It might be able to help answer some of the questions that need to be answered first before we operate the LHC.
02:56:36.000There's a new cosmic ray detector in Argentina called the TIER-ALGER, A-U-G-E-R.
02:56:43.000Uh, and it came online a couple years ago.
02:56:46.000It's purely passive, like any observatory.
02:56:50.000Here in Hawaii, we have lots of observatories on our mountain, Mount Akea, for observing the universe.
02:56:56.000Very much in favor of acquiring more knowledge and information for us, but it has to be done in a safe manner.
02:57:03.000All right, up on InfoWars.com we have a link to your website.
02:57:07.000I hope people will support what you're doing.
02:57:09.000Any news on how effective you'll be in blocking them, firing this up?
02:57:15.000Well, it's always speculative when you take something before a judge.
02:57:20.000I believe, though, that with the news media attention this is drawing, and the fact that they have not come out with this most recent safety study.
02:57:28.000They promised us a safety study by January 1.
02:57:43.000So now they're way behind the gun on this, and I think the reason they were not delivered is they recognize that there are some fundamental flaws, and they haven't been able to come up with a way around it yet.
02:57:54.000So you're spurring a real debate regardless inside the institution?
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