In this episode, Dr. Edward Griffin talks about the discovery of the first live virus vaccine, the Sabin Virus Vaccine. Dr. Griffin explains how he developed the vaccine and how it revolutionized the field of infectious disease research.
00:00:12.000G. Edward Griffin is going to be in studio with us, coming up in about five minutes.
00:00:17.000Here's a little clip from Utterlyn Horowitz's video, In Lies We Trust.
00:00:23.000In the last 15 minutes of the show today, I'm going to play 15 minutes or so more of this, but here's a few minutes of it right now, just a taste of what's coming up.
00:00:32.000So, I went down to see Bill Mann at the zoo in Washington, D.C.
00:00:37.000and I told Bill Mann, I said, look, here's a, I got a problem.
00:03:07.000The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis concentrated all its efforts on getting more and more people to use the killed virus vaccine.
00:03:18.000While they were supporting me for research on a live virus vaccine.
00:03:23.000So now I gotta have something, you know, that's gonna attract attention.
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00:09:42.000G. Edward Griffin, really a legend in the alternative media, New World Order resistance movement, one of the last living icons, the great granddaddies, in the fight.
00:09:55.000Sharp, handsome devil for being in the fight this long.
00:09:58.000And it's good to have him here with us.
00:11:08.000I was taught that the UN was our last, best hope for peace.
00:11:12.000It was a means by which all nations could join together in peace and brotherhood and all that stuff.
00:11:17.000And I bought into it lock, stock and barrel.
00:11:19.000Then one day I opened up a pamphlet, and the author of the pamphlet was a college professor from some Midwest university, and he was telling me that this was all a false image.
00:11:29.000That what these guys actually had in mind had nothing to do with peace and brotherhood, but totalitarian control over the world.
00:11:35.000Well, that upset me, and I didn't believe it, of course.
00:11:38.000But anyway, you asked about my history.
00:11:40.000That is the first thing that nudged me and made me start to think about the assumptions that I had.
00:11:45.000And don't be shy because this journey, I mean you woke up back when hardly anybody was awake, this journey is important for other people out there who are having similar journeys and I think it's an example of what one person can do after they wake up and decide, I want to stand up for goodness, I want to stand up against evil, I want to fight corruption.
00:12:02.000Well, yeah, I guess that is a parallel journey that a lot of people are taking today, and so with that in mind, thanks for encouraging me.
00:12:09.000I guess the details are perhaps important.
00:13:16.000So that was the first video I did, and then from there, it just went on down the line I've done things not always having to do with political issues.
00:13:26.000One of the major works that I consider to be one of the most important things I ever did was something in the field of health.
00:13:34.000I wrote a book called World Without Cancer, the story of vitamin B-17, which is a natural control for cancer.
00:13:41.000It has nothing to do with drugs, chemotherapy, or radiation.
00:13:45.000And I learned a lot while researching and pursuing that field.
00:13:50.000I did a documentary on the discovery of Noah's Ark, which was more for fun, because I've always had an interest in archaeology and ancient Earth history.
00:13:59.000But most of my work has been in the field of politics or freedom issues.
00:14:04.000And in that field, I would say the Creature from Jekyll Island is central.
00:14:29.000Well, much to my surprise, yeah, a lot of people wanted to read about it.
00:14:33.000Today, it's in its 20th printing, and I just got a call from my warehouse manager the other day saying that we have to go for number 21 now.
00:14:41.000So, it's amazing, and I think that the economic woes that the nation is facing had a lot to do with the public becoming more concerned with an issue that ordinarily they would not think too much about.
00:14:58.000You made so many other films though about Katanga and what really happened in Africa and the UN running the slaughter.
00:15:03.000How many films, how many presentations, how many visual, video film productions have you made?
00:15:27.000I cut my tooth, so to speak, on audio back in the days when we used to carry around these big Kedelsky tape recorders, the Niagara's they call them, was used primarily for film work in Hollywood, and they're very high quality tape recorders.
00:15:42.000And I carried two of those around to a lot of lectures and recorded people who were speaking on various aspects of the freedom movement.
00:15:49.000And today, actually, I have probably the world's largest collection of original audio recordings in that genre.
00:15:58.000I knew that I had the second largest one because I used to go around to all of these meetings recording people and I'd run into a particular guy, his name was Harry Laney, who also had another set of Niagara's and he was an engineer that worked for IBM and it was his hobby to record these things.
00:16:15.000He had absolutely the greatest collection and then some years later when he passed away his widow called me and Asked me if I would like to have his collection.
00:17:05.000Yeah, it becomes even more valuable with age, because you can realize with the passage of time that the issues are repeating and also that the opinions that we're expressing are valid.
00:17:15.000the things that we predicted 20 years ago have come to pass.
00:17:18.000Well, that is the proof in the pudding.
00:17:20.000I mean, everything you talked about, everything that I've talked about, I mean, we're just going off our own documents.
00:17:29.000And I think that's why so many people now are waking up, because the end game of what we said the globalists, the new order would do, the controllers, the architects, if they ever had their way, that they would do A, B, and C, and they're doing A, B, and C.
00:17:43.000And I think now how do we capture the attention of all those people and give them goals to try to attain now, and how do we get around all the kooks and weirdos that, and I don't try to be a gatekeeper here, I don't really try to censor or even cover people I disagree with, but there are a lot of weirdos that just because there's a vacuum with the mainstream media lying and spinning, then you have the alternative media with a lot of craziness too.
00:18:26.000Well, also, there will be something divisive.
00:18:27.000Like, you've got to say it's all the Jews and they secretly drink blood, and they work for the Vatican, and they're under control of reptoids.
00:18:35.000And I'm just here saying, hey, I want to fight the globalist system.
00:18:38.000If we get into arguing about who controls it all day, I mean, I do cover that some, then, I mean, that gets into cliques and balkanization instead of a message of more liberty, more freedom, UN bad, global government bad.
00:19:00.000But you know, in this business of predicting what's coming in the future, two days after 9-11, I sat down, like a lot of people did, and wrote something out.
00:19:09.000You know, we were speaking from passion, speaking from emotion, the event was so overpowering, a lot of us just wanted to put something in writing to capture our thoughts and our feelings.
00:19:20.000Well, that particular day, I started a a writing session that was to go on for a couple of months.
00:19:27.000But on the end of the third day, I had written something called "Predictions" from 9/11.
00:19:53.000And 9 times out of 10, it actually is worse than what we originally said.
00:19:57.000Go over some of those 13 and what's happened.
00:19:59.000Oh, well, anybody that studied the world events could make most of those predictions.
00:20:04.000You know, I talked about the fact that they would soon discover that the FBI and the intelligence agencies of the federal government had advanced knowledge of this attack, but did nothing to stop it.
00:20:18.000I made the prediction that one that really went furthest out on the limb was that they would take a long, long time to find Osama bin Laden.
00:20:29.000Even though at the moment they were all, we're not going to stop searching the world until we find Osama Bin Laden and bring him to justice for these crimes.
00:20:37.000And you knew that because you knew they needed a boogeyman, and you've seen this time and time again.
00:20:41.000I knew that they needed the boogeyman.
00:20:42.000They needed Osama Bin Laden as some kind of a figure, a symbol of the enemy that the American people could look at and say, we hate this man, we hate this man.
00:20:54.000It's a ploy that's been used so many times before in history.
00:21:13.000In fact, when you read about Prince Charles or Prince Philip or the Queen of England or the Rothschilds or the Rockefellers, it's almost like they are predatory, psychopathic types, control freaks, sadistic types.
00:21:23.000And they're also, if you read about them, they're obsessed with everything being just right.
00:21:27.000You know, every light bulb not being burned out, every yard being cut just perfect.
00:21:31.000I mean, they're really neurotic and they, it seems to be a type, you know, a psychological type.
00:21:36.000Of course, there's variance there, but it seems that we've got their M.O.
00:21:40.000and they just repeat things with this methodology, this formula, over and over again.
00:21:46.000All I can say, basically, is I agree totally.
00:21:48.000The first thing to observe, I believe, about this is that the ones who are making the decisions, that's not everybody in the organization structure, but the ones at the very top are very smart people.
00:22:01.000They're well-read, they're well-versed in history, and they're philosophers.
00:22:06.000And they have an ideology that they have thought through, they're completely aligned with it, they have allegiance to it.
00:22:14.000Once you understand what their ideology is and what their goals are, then that's when you begin to predict what they're going to do and what they're going to say because like an actor you can put your own mind into that into that set that part that all right what would I do if I believed that let me ask you this question and I mean, to boil down in a simple fashion their ideology, it's N justifies the means.
00:23:14.000We do bring the drugs in, but if the lower class is dumb enough to use them, We're going to put them in prison.
00:23:18.000You know, slavery has always been the way it is, and we've got to take care of ourselves, and they get into a power position, too, where they always are being threatened by their own systems, their own competing elites, and so it's a synthesis of evil to where even if you get
00:23:33.000Somewhat friendly or the benevolent dictator, they always get removed and the centralized pyramidal power structure allows an elitist or gaggle of elitists, who are the most ruthless, it's kind of a survival of the most ruthless, get into those penultimate positions of power, so by a process of elimination through Through a type of hyper-social Darwinism, you do get the most psychopathic, intelligent, cunning groups.
00:24:00.000Then power tends to amass in more centralized hands.
00:24:03.000Then they become inbred, decadent, and insane.
00:24:06.000But then psychopathic, intelligent bureaucracies grow up around them to defend them and protect them as the institutions themselves and now it's almost a machine that is self-replicating and is just continuing and operating on its own.
00:24:21.000And the very elites that created it, the very technocracy they've built, is almost like a moss growing on the back of a blue whale or something, and they're just travelers on this thing they've created.
00:24:49.000The one aspect of the many things you covered that really stuck in my mind is the truth that in the beginning there's always some kind of a high ideal that drives these men and these women.
00:25:02.000They're always going to do something for, and here's the key phrase, for the greater good of the greater number.
00:25:07.000And you're going to find that element behind all of the different variants of collectivism.
00:25:15.000And I think when we're talking about something like this, we have to recognize the common denominator of all of these ideologies of communism, fascism, Nazism, socialism, all of these things that we know historically have proven to be horrible systems under which to live.
00:25:34.000The common ideology beneath them all is called collectivism.
00:25:38.000And the keynote, or the cornerstone, I should say, of collectivism is this thought that The individual must be sacrificed, if necessary, for the greater good of the greater number.
00:25:52.000And so that is the ether in which this system survives?
00:25:55.000That is the fertilizer, the ether, whatever it is.
00:25:58.000And it always starts off with this justification, well, it's too bad, we have to sacrifice this person, or that minority, or those 3,000 people.
00:26:07.000Those two million people, whatever it is, as long as the number being sacrificed is smaller than the number supposedly being benefited, then they can claim the mantle of being benevolent, that they're really helping society.
00:26:20.000How should that go back to the military ideal of, I'm going to put a hundred troops out there to draw in the enemy?
00:26:24.000That hundred's going to get killed, but then we're going to win the battle and that'll save more of our troops in the end.
00:26:28.000That is exactly the philosophy we're talking about.
00:26:31.000And there is some justification for it on the battlefield, of course.
00:26:34.000But when it comes to building a whole political and social system on that principle, you've got some real issues involving human rights.
00:26:41.000And then you get a bunch of inbred elites on power trips, nihilistically running around building anti-matter weapons.
00:27:45.000I mean, I brought up quite a few I want to talk about, but we didn't really have a pre-interview.
00:27:48.000What are some of the things you want to cover in the next hour?
00:27:51.000To me, the most exciting thing is the rising potential to do something about these problems.
00:27:57.000Up until fairly recently, I think most people, even those who are aware, have been running around like chickens with their heads cut off, not knowing what to do about it.
00:28:07.000And the exciting thing to me, Alex, is that now we're talking sense to people about what are we going to do to reverse this trend, and talking very realistically in terms of coming to power.
00:28:19.000We know that we can't do anything as long as our solution is to write letters to our congressmen.
00:28:24.000Congressmen, for the most part, are the problem.
00:28:26.000So why are we wasting our time writing letters to the guys that are creating the problem, saying, oh please, won't you be nice to us?
00:31:47.000Do you ever, Gilbert Griffin, do you ever get frustrated because you've been a prolific, creative guy, doing more now than ever, that there's just so much you want to do, so many people you want to warn, so many facts you've got, but then you've got so much info that it's just, there's not enough time in the day to do it all.
00:32:07.000But I decided some years ago that I had to put a lid on it because otherwise I'd be so filled with anxiety and frustration I wouldn't be able to think straight.
00:32:51.000We're going to break and start the fourth hour here in a moment.
00:32:54.000I asked you what you wanted to talk about in the last segment for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers and people listening to my streams on the internet.
00:33:00.000InfoWars had a chance to hear that behind the scenes discussion.
00:33:02.000People can go to those streams if they want to hear.
00:33:04.000Some of us will be having next hour so we can use as much of the hour As we can.
00:33:09.000But I want to go over what you want to discuss.
00:33:13.000The economy, the election, and then solutions.
00:33:16.000And so we'll spend the whole hour on that, maybe take a few calls, but we've got about a minute left.
00:33:22.000Well, the economy, I think everyone recognizes, is in meltdown.
00:33:26.000And why is it in meltdown is the big thing, and what can you do about it?
00:33:30.000It's in meltdown because the Federal Reserve System, under the watchful eye of the Federal Government, has pumped too much money into the system.
00:33:40.000They spent too much, they didn't want to raise taxes in order to pay for what they're spending, and so they decided to take it from the taxpayers in the form of inflation.
00:33:50.000That's, in a 30-second summary, that's what's going on.
00:33:53.000Do you think they've done this by design?
00:33:58.000That's a sub of A. And then B. How bad will it get?
00:34:03.000I think it is by design on the part of the people that make the decisions.
00:34:07.000I think there are a lot of people in middle management, people who are part of the system without even knowing really what they're doing, that probably would never consciously design to throw away the American economy.
00:34:18.000They're just riding along, it's a great ride.
00:34:21.000But at the very top, I think that the people at the Federal Reserve level, for example, have known all along that that is the end of the line.
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00:36:46.000We all know it's almost impossible for whites to get it unless you've been taking heavy metal, you know, based drugs.
00:36:51.000You know, the inside, you know, info is that this is a... I'm like, my dad's crazy, you know, I'm thinking when I'm, you know, a little, you know, teenager.
00:37:00.000And then it all turned out to be true.
00:37:01.000They knew back then, it was just knowledge.
00:37:12.000Continuing, sir, continuing with what you were talking about when I said, is this engineered or is this happening just because there's such bad managers?
00:37:24.000Well, I think that the people who make the policy decisions at the Federal Reserve level, and above, by the way, Federal Reserve is, I think your listeners probably know this, the Federal Reserve is not a government agency, it's a cartel, it's a banking cartel.
00:37:42.000And Bernanke and all the people on the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve, they're not really at the top of the pinnacle of this structure.
00:37:51.000They're not the private shareholders, they're not the ones that make the decisions, but they make the minor decisions, they execute the major ones.
00:37:58.000So somebody has told them at the banking level that they want to do whatever is best for the interest of the banks.
00:38:05.000Now, they don't want to kill the golden goose that lays the egg, so they would like to see the American economy as prosperous as possible, as long as the interests of the banks come first.
00:38:16.000And I've always said that whenever there was a direct conflict between the interests of the banks and the interests of the nation, you can be sure that the decisions would be made in favor of the banks.
00:38:27.000Now we're beginning to see that unfold, where almost anybody can see it.
00:38:31.000And so, the point of all that is that they have known from the very beginning, back when this thing was formed in 1913, that somewhere down the line, pushing the interests of the banks ahead of the interests of the people, was going to have a consequence.
00:38:46.000And that was the consequence of inflating the money supply.
00:38:50.000And that would lead to inflation, that would lead eventually to the destruction of the American Monetary Unit, the Federal Reserve note, and somewhere down the line they knew that the price would have to be paid for that.
00:39:03.000Now, that doesn't mean they wanted to see it happen.
00:39:06.000That doesn't mean they accelerated it or anything like that, but they have known it was going to happen.
00:39:10.000Well, I mean, even, I keep mentioning these articles, but even the Sunday Times of London, it was Neocon, but the Financial Times of London, which is Pretty open about what they're doing.
00:39:19.000Had the headline that big central banks stand to gain from subprime crisis.
00:39:23.000And they admit that they're getting all this government money that inflates our money, but they're getting it for free.
00:39:28.000And then they're going in and buying up their competition.
00:39:31.000So they reduced the regulations in the 90s.
00:39:35.000They flooded everything with cheap liquidity.
00:39:37.000And now they're picking up all the real assets.
00:39:39.000Oh right, and they're picking it up not with their own money, but with taxpayers' money.
00:39:44.000That's the hidden part that people miss, because one of the purposes of the Federal Reserve, and the same thing with the Bank of England and the central banks in the other countries of the world, is to make this partnership between the banks and the government, so that when the banks needed to be bailed out, The government would step in as a partner and use taxpayers' money to bail out the banks, to bail out their bad investment decisions, and they would sell it to the people as though this was somehow in the interest of the economy.
00:40:40.000We've got a break for listeners listening to the InfoWars streams.
00:40:43.000We're going to continue during the break and we'll be right back on the other side.
00:40:46.000We're going to get into the election, the staged election, Gilbert Griffin's take on that, some of the new books and videos he's got out, as well as his classic Creature from Jekyll Island, and your phone calls and a lot of solutions.
00:41:40.000Our forces, up until fairly recently, have not been large enough to do anything.
00:41:44.000We can just talk about it, but nothing's going to happen.
00:41:47.000But once we do have that critical mass, where we have enough people, then the question, where are we going to put these people, what are we going to ask them to do, and what can they do?
00:41:57.000My answer is not as popular as I wish it were, because what I'm basically saying is that we are not going to be able to turn this mess around by 2008.
00:42:10.000Many people are concerned with solving the problem for the next election, and that's the extent of their vision.
00:42:19.000If you can't offer them a solution for winning the election and turning everything around, they don't want to talk to you.
00:42:25.000Well, my message is that it cannot be done.
00:42:28.000We cannot solve all these problems by the next election.
00:42:32.000So if that's your time span, forget it.
00:42:36.000But if you have a longer view of history... Well, that's how they short-circuit us, is they get us to think about this week, this month, the distraction of the simulated election, instead of the real architecture.
00:42:47.000The architecture, the groundswell, the building of a movement that's going to go well past 2008.
00:42:54.000And, of course, that's the reason I created Freedom Force International.
00:42:58.000I think Freedom Force can become the structure, or the gyroscope, so to speak, that can lead people into creative, effective, reasonable, and realistic solutions.
00:43:11.000I think we need something like attack profiles, where we just put out blueprints that can be duplicated by cells, and not that we're anything illegal, it's just that so they're leaderless, but they go off a main manifesto.
00:43:23.000And so it's coordinated, it's uncoordinated, which is the nature of liberty lovers, but then at the same time it's a basic ideal that guides it.
00:43:31.000It's like a million missiles that are guided by the same trajectory.
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00:44:09.000Gia Regreffin is our guest, author of Preacher from Jekyll Island.
00:46:57.000He was a very intellectual person and a historian.
00:47:00.000He had a profound impact on awaking me to awareness of the continuity between what is going on today and what has been going on throughout history.
00:47:12.000And without that continuity, it's really hard to understand fully the essence of what's going on.
00:47:17.000Those are the two figures that had a profound effect on me.
00:47:20.000I like your analysis, though, because we all are just like pebbles in a pond.
00:47:25.000And if we can attract somebody's attention to the pond, and then they start throwing pebbles in, first thing you know, you've got more and more big waves.
00:47:32.000Or we could be an A-bomb with a uranium bullet, a plutonium bullet being fired into the uranium, and then you have that interaction, and it's going critical right now.
00:47:42.000I mean, I want to get more into the economy, but do you agree that this is the biggest You know, exponential growth of awakening from the Matrix to Liberty.
00:48:17.000They've been expecting that for decades.
00:48:20.000And so right now, they have unleashed Plan B, which is, you see, their long-range goal is to get rid of the sovereignty of this nation, to literally get rid of the United By the way, the Trilaterals in the 70s said they would first have, you know, three global currencies and then merge those.
00:48:35.000Yeah, so this is not a last minute plan.
00:48:39.000And so now that the dollar is tanking, they're prepared to come on in the near future and say, Aha!
00:48:49.000Dollarize the Americas, and together that will get our credit back up, and then things can start moving, and then as soon as we accept that, then they turn the credit back on, and we think, oh, they fixed it!
00:49:00.000So that will be a huge step to surrender our national sovereignty, so they will gain toward their ultimate goal, and we, if we're not careful, will be sold a bill of goods and be convinced that we've done a wonderful thing.
00:49:15.000They do have a plan for everything, and that's not the end of the line either.
00:49:19.000Once the Amaro or the regional currency is in place, then I would guess another 10, 15, 20 years perhaps, then finally they get rid of all of the regional currencies and merge them into a true international currency.
00:49:31.000And again, the process will be the same.
00:49:33.000The citizens of the world will be convinced that it was a step forward in their own best interest.
00:49:38.000Now the average person doesn't think in an institutional or long-term view.
00:49:41.000They don't even care about their neighbor.
00:50:24.000It's just they're going to another phase where they've got total global control because there's still cracks in the facade where people can still escape.
00:50:46.000Well, yes, again, you've said it so well, Alex, but my own take on it is that this process of collectivism, that's what we're talking about, this concentration of governmental and political and economic power in the hands of a few who are making the decision, supposedly in the name of the greater number, It's for your own good, for the good of society, is heady wine.
00:51:12.000Once it starts, it's got to go to full term.
00:51:15.000There's no case in history that a group of men who have pulled power over their fellow human beings, pulled it together, that they've ever stopped and said, well, this is enough.
00:52:37.000I think we can learn that the process that we're dealing with now is not going to stop of its own accord.
00:52:44.000If we just sit back and say, well, maybe these people are going to come to their senses, or maybe if we write a letter to our congressmen, or maybe if we sign a petition asking that they obey the Constitution, maybe we can stop this power.
00:52:56.000We've got to confront that power with equal or greater power.
00:53:00.000And this is the part that many people do not want to face.
00:53:04.000Let's do solutions, because Horowitz is coming up briefly.
00:53:06.000Let's just do solutions now and then get into how Barack Obama, it's all a distraction, you know that short-term thing, they get us diverted and distracted, that theatrical simulation of an election.
00:53:19.000Yeah, that's a great topic too, but I think you're quite right.
00:53:22.000The thing that we need to take away from any discussion like this is, what the heck are we going to do about it?
00:53:29.000And I come back to the word power that I used a moment ago.
00:53:34.000The thing that the forces of freedom have been missing, at least in the United States, in the period of time in which I've been aware of it, I've been a part of this movement since 1959-1960, The one thing that has been missing from this movement all these years is the understanding and the awareness that we have to have power.
00:53:55.000I remember for years standing in front of audiences and saying, well, the concentration of power is very dangerous and that's the problem.
00:54:02.000All these people are getting too much power over us.
00:54:04.000Now, we ourselves must not have power.
00:54:06.000We must take the power away from them somehow, but we ourselves must reject power because that's the problem.
00:54:14.000Yes, but you see, that's the part that I was missing, and many people have missed.
00:54:18.000And then one morning I woke up... We only need power to tear down their structures, and then to guard against the structures being rebuilt.
00:55:22.000We do need power to protect ourselves.
00:55:25.000And so in this political arena, in the ideological arena, the reason we have been losing our liberties is because these crazies, these collectivists, these totalitarians who have a different vision for the new world.
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01:00:53.000Well, we were talking about power, and the danger of power.
01:00:57.000And the good analogy was made that guns are dangerous, and that people get hurt with guns, but the only thing more dangerous is not having them when you need them.
01:01:10.000Everybody knows Lord Acton's well-known quote.
01:01:15.000Acton said, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
01:01:21.000And so that was the cue I had years ago to say, well, if power corrupts, therefore we shouldn't have power.
01:01:27.000And then I realized that if you don't have power, you lose.
01:01:30.000So the question then became, is it possible for a movement such as ours to reach for power, political power, and yet design it in such a way that it cannot be corrupted?
01:01:48.000It was tried in the case of the American Revolution.
01:01:50.000Well, that's what the founders tried, and it did separate power for a while, and it did limit it enough for at least some freedom to take place, and it was the greatest engine ever.
01:01:59.000It was the first step ever in history where people consciously tried to write a document that would limit the power of their own political leaders.
01:02:07.000And 5% of the population got half the world's wealth.
01:02:11.000Well, it's not surprising, because it was a beta model.
01:02:15.000We are going to come to the time soon, I think, Alex, where we're going to have a chance to rework that model.
01:02:20.000Now we go to the second model, and we will have learned a lot in the process.
01:02:24.000The question is, how can you limit people with political power from being corrupted by it?
01:02:29.000And the answer, I believe, is to have a well-thought-out definition of what the purpose of government is.
01:02:37.000And if we limit the power of government, as we did to some extent with the Bill of Rights, in our own Constitution, say that Congress shall not have the power to do this, this, and this, and then put teeth into it, we can keep our elected leaders from being corrupted by power, because they won't be given the power in the first place.
01:03:00.000And that's the reason that with Freedom Force International, First thing we did was to introduce what we call the Creed of Freedom.
01:03:11.000And the Creed of Freedom is the statement of principles, positive principles, that all members adhere to.
01:03:18.000And if all of our members and all of our elected representatives adhered to the principles of the Creed of Freedom, then there would be no way for power to corrupt those individuals.
01:03:29.000And to be clear, nothing's ever going to be perfect.
01:03:31.000We're striving towards more liberty, towards more freedom, instead of racing at light speed towards total tyranny.
01:03:41.000But we can be a lot closer to the goal than we are now, that's for sure.
01:03:45.000Talk more about Freedom Force International.
01:03:48.000Well, the whole purpose of Freedom Force was to do basically what I've been talking about, and that is to help our members to acquire power.
01:03:56.000We know that without power, we cannot achieve any political reform.
01:04:01.000In fact, the motto of Freedom Force is this.
01:04:04.000In English, it's, those without power cannot defend freedom.
01:04:24.000That doesn't mean being dishonest, but be covert, act like mainline conservatives, get into power, and then really leak info.
01:04:32.000I mean at the city council, send people to jail, find the crud, hire P.I.s to follow corrupt mayors, you're going to catch them, put the video of them cheating on their wife on the web.
01:04:41.000I mean, I've told people to go ahead and get mean.
01:04:44.000Well, getting mean, that's not infiltrating, that's doing your obligation.
01:04:49.000You go into political office because you want to serve the nation or the city.
01:04:56.000But that doesn't necessarily mean that that's your primary motive.
01:05:00.000I think people should go into political office who want to serve their community, not because... But you serve by getting the corrupt people off the ground.
01:05:06.000You've got to do that first, obviously, yeah.
01:05:23.000I tell you what, stay there, stay there.
01:05:25.000We're going to come back and talk, shift gears about their bioweapons programs against us, which I know you've covered, and the whole eugenics agenda.
01:05:31.000We're going to talk to Len Horowitz in about five minutes.
01:05:33.000Then we're going to continue going back into solutions.
01:05:35.000I want to spend a lot of time on that and then maybe a few calls, maybe go ten minutes into the next hour and take a few calls as well.
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01:09:11.000Continuing with solutions in the fight against the New World Order.
01:09:15.000We've got Dr. Horowitz coming on for a full hour tomorrow.
01:09:18.000I appreciate him and his very busy schedule with his clinic and books and films and all the prolific work he's doing coming on on such short notice.
01:09:25.000But this is why we've got him on and tomorrow he's going to document this for everybody.
01:09:29.000I know a lot of you know this but your friends, family, neighbors don't.
01:09:32.000Tell them to tune in tomorrow for the full hour.
01:09:36.000We have a story we wrote today Up on PrisonPlanet.com, Wright says U.S.
01:09:42.000government capable of creating AIDS virus.
01:09:44.000Hecklers turn mute after pastor cites documented history of biological warfare against innocent people.
01:09:50.000And man, Dr. Horowitz has been kind enough to put his film up for free on Google Video, though he recommends you get I've watched it, it's just amazing, documenting all the admissions of how they're killing it, much like my film Endgame, Blueprint for Global Enslavement does.
01:10:04.000So let's play this minute and a half of Reverend Wright at the Press Club.
01:10:07.000This is big news as they attack Reverend Wright all over neocon, fake conservative radio, liberal TV, saying he's completely nuts, the government.
01:10:15.000It's never marched our troops into chambers in Nerve Gaston.
01:10:18.000It never let black men die without treatment for 50 years of syphilis.
01:10:47.000you ready i have a lot of no questions from the floor I read different things.
01:10:57.000As I said to my members, if you haven't read things and you can't... Based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything.
01:11:10.000In fact, in fact, in fact, One of the responses to what Saddam Hussein had in terms of biological warfare was a non-question because all we had to do was check the sales records.
01:11:25.000We sold him those biological weapons that he was using against his own people.
01:11:30.000So any time a government can put together biological warfare to kill people and then get angry when those people use what we sold them, yes, I believe we are capable.
01:11:41.000And again, for a full hour tomorrow, we're going to have Dr. Len Horowitz on, just on this particular subject, but there it is being cited.
01:11:48.000It's all over national television, which is going to backfire on them because they're going to find his film, they're going to find his best-selling book, they're going to find out.
01:11:56.000And by the way, I didn't just believe Horowitz and others when I discovered all this 12 years ago, though I found him to be very accurate.
01:12:02.000I went out and looked it up myself and found out that it's a haul of horrors.
01:12:08.000Dr. Horowitz, thanks for coming on on short notice.
01:12:11.000Your take on this firestorm nationally, right now, being triggered by Reverend Wright reading your book and others.
01:12:18.000Well, it's obvious that the mainstream media is really completely taking everybody away from the most important thing, is the genocide.
01:12:26.000I know you've been telling people that, and I've been saying that.
01:12:29.000G. Edward Griffin has been saying that, many others.
01:12:31.000And the fact that he could make such a statement, he could cite the scientific evidence, The book, Emerging Viruses, the documentation we have on the website, originofaids.com, the movie, as you mentioned, that's freely downloadable in Lives We Trust, showing the documents that shows the United States federal government created numerous AIDS-like and Ebola-like viruses.
01:12:54.000Let them out, virtually Henry Kissinger's directive to develop these things, and through the Merck Pharmaceutical Company, supplied by the Nixon White House official named Roy Ashe's company, was lit in Bionetics, they created the vaccines from the Merck Company.
01:13:11.000The CDC played a role in developing the vaccine, Hepatitis B vaccine, given to gay men in New York City, blacks in Central Africa, that absolutely supported, Slam-dunk evidence proves that this was what triggered the international AIDS pandemic.
01:13:25.000Now for the media to not be focusing on that, millions of people dying, and they're going to go right along, play the same old, same old political nonsense games that they're playing.
01:13:36.000This is genocide, and it's got to stop.
01:13:38.000And even Al Sharpton's criticizing Wright for talking about Tuskegee.
01:14:09.000And the fact that they have black men and women who could watch their own people and millions of others of various races die without actually benefiting.
01:14:19.000Not necessarily just keeping their mouth shut, but actually being part of the conspiracy of silence that is literally allowing this genocide to continue.
01:15:13.000we'll see tomorrow and i thought we'd bring you that newsmaker uh... there uh...
01:15:18.000g_-word griffin i mean for the average person out there it's hard for them they judge the world according to their social mores understand the elite have stated what they're doing i keep using this example because there's hundreds of the use but one of the prominent uh...
01:15:33.000biology professors the university texas are in austin dr bianca two years ago came out and gave a speech at the texas academy of He's gotten awards in Europe from prestigious universities.
01:16:12.000When he said that everyone needs to die, and then I had his graduate students, and I tracked who they were, I'd Google their name afterwards, and they'd say, here's my online, you know, this is why I got a doctorate in.
01:16:22.000They'd be running, you know, bio laboratories and level three weapons labs, and you know, you'd go, my God, it'd be young women, men, and they're like, he is not extreme enough, we are for total death of the humans, the human is a scourge, and I mean, and it's like, we will soon deal with all of you, and they're in the bio weapons labs, And they're sending me threatening letters with their name, and then I post their pictures saying, look at this person.
01:16:47.000They gave me, and they freak out on me and threaten me.
01:16:49.000I mean, because in their own little bubble, it's all kill, kill everyone.
01:18:20.000The most incredible part is the applause that these people get.
01:18:23.000And the only reason they get the applause and the endorsement is because the audience is so tuned, so focused on saving the planet against human effect on the planet.
01:18:35.000It's horrible to say we have to kill 355,000 people a day, but it's even more horrible not to say it.
01:18:57.000Well, we get power the same way we lost it.
01:18:59.000And the way we lost it in this country, let's talk about that, is not because somebody showed up on our shores with uniforms and weapons in their hand and invaded us.
01:19:09.000It's because they crept into our universities and into our media centers and they crept into our think tanks and they crept into our government agencies.
01:19:19.000foundations funded that in funding that holding creeping into the power centers of society very quietly unobtrusively with a mission to control now what are the power centers of society well that's easy the at the top of the list you'd say political parties government agencies you know labor unions church organizations but then you get a little more subtle you realize that willow's are media organizations as well Networks, publications, book publishers, and so forth.
01:19:47.000And then the educational universities, the school systems, even at your local state level.
01:19:53.000You look at the people who are sitting on the boards of directors, and the controlling power within all of these groups.
01:20:00.000Nine chances out of ten, you're going to find people who have this collectivist mentality.
01:20:04.000Now, it didn't just happen with a flip of the coin.
01:21:00.000It's got a very expensive synthetic hormone added that sterilizes them because it was added to the pathogen of the tetanus.
01:21:07.000I mean, they do this and the cop just knows he's been given some money.
01:21:10.000You know, the local mayor just, you know, it's poor villagers who can't fight back.
01:21:16.000You know, we need to break through the compartmentalization and show their minions what they're part of.
01:21:20.000So how do we deal with not just taking power, and I want to hear your ideas of getting that power back, and then dismantling their system, and building bulwarks against its re-emergence, but how do we, they foresaw us fighting back when they really started the squeeze.
01:21:35.000They tried to handcuff us down before they sucked us dry like a spider gets us tied up first, but they know some of us aren't completely tied up, so they've Well, boy, there's so many issues there, Alex.
01:21:52.000Well, boy, there's so many issues there, Alex.
01:21:55.000I don't know that I have the answer to all of them, or even many of them, but I do know that there is an answer to that question in general.
01:22:03.000The first step, as mentioned earlier, is to get more people into our ranks.
01:22:07.000We cannot do it with the numbers we now have.
01:22:10.000So, this business of educating and spreading the word still has a great deal of value.
01:22:16.000But then, after that point, and even now, while we're doing that, we've got to mobilize these people to network with each other.
01:22:22.000And my solution is that they have to help each other get into these power centers of society.
01:23:20.000But I can see strategically then, that gives them a big advantage because they can lie, but in the end that's why they're discredited because they do lie.
01:23:36.000I don't think we need to resort to those methods.
01:23:39.000So anyway, the step is we've got to get networked together, we've got to help each other get into these power centers and be prepared to do battle.
01:23:47.000Now right now, there's a perfect example of that.
01:23:49.000There are these Ron Paul groups that are struggling to get their delegates seated at the various state nominating committees and conventions.
01:23:57.000And they're just learning now what the reality of political life is.
01:24:35.000All of you out there, engaging and losing is half the battle, because you learn they really are corrupt, and you learn their tricks, and you get smarter each time.
01:24:57.000So, what do you do when you're facing people like that?
01:25:00.000That doesn't mean you have to adopt that morality, but it does mean you have to be prepared for them to do absolutely anything to keep you from winning.
01:25:09.000And now, what you do about that, I cannot give advice.
01:25:12.000Let's say that you went to a convention and you knew that if you had a majority vote, you thought that these people might bring thugs in to just physically beat you up and throw you out.
01:25:52.000We haven't been perfect because people were willing to kill.
01:25:55.000And there was a rule, you mess with me, I'm going to kill you.
01:25:57.000That's why down here in Texas, in old Texas, there wasn't a lot of cheating and stealing going on because you mess with somebody's daughter, or you cheat somebody, they're going to kill you.
01:26:05.000I mean, just 50, 60 years ago, people would kill you around here.
01:26:08.000Now, we've been gelded and ninnied, so there's more corruption.
01:26:10.000But it used to, I mean, I remember the stories.
01:26:12.000I mean, I had great-grandpas and people who went and killed people.
01:26:16.000I mean, you know, you cheat them, they're just going to kill you, and then nothing's really done about it.
01:26:19.000Yeah, it didn't happen very often, because that was the consequence.
01:26:22.000I know that in the pioneer days, when just about everybody had a six-shooter strapped to their hip, there was very little crime.
01:27:11.000I'm saying that used to there wasn't as much crime because people knew that not just the police, the citizens were going to come after you.
01:27:20.000And I'm not all in favor of the lynch mob, but I do think that posse had a role to play in capturing a criminal and bringing them to justice where they could then But again, that shows when the people were the police.
01:27:34.000It wasn't the government and the people hating each other.
01:27:38.000Anytime the government tries to separate that, that's tyranny.
01:27:41.000And of course that's what we have today.
01:27:43.000They want the people to think that the police are a separate entity, and actually I think they instill that in the minds of the police more than they do the people.
01:27:52.000I've talked to some policemen recently and they said, you know, it's true.
01:27:55.000We are sort of getting the impression that we are the elitists.
01:27:59.000You know, if we get stopped for speeding, we can flash our badge and we get special treatment.
01:28:04.000That just came out in the California paper that 996,000 are above the law.
01:28:09.000Yeah, they said it's nice to know that you belong to a little inside group that, you know, you get special privileges.
01:28:16.000Well, now, I think this guy just described the whole purpose of being part of government.
01:28:45.000And when you think about it, in today's world, there's not an awful lot of difference between organized crime and government, except that government is more organized.
01:28:54.000It's the same mentality that gravitates into those jobs.
01:28:57.000Now that doesn't mean that there aren't well-intentioned people, and I know people that go into government work because they really want to serve society.
01:29:07.000And I think of people that used to go into the IRS because they thought they were...
01:29:11.000Well, that actually I found is one of the evil's greatest powers, is they have all these minions who are compartmentalized, carrying out evil, believing they're part of something good.
01:29:20.000They believe they're part of something good, yes.
01:29:22.000And you mentioned this earlier, Alex, you said that something that starts out good, takes on a different form as it matures.
01:29:30.000And people become part of something, and the mechanism itself becomes more important than the reason for the mechanism.
01:29:37.000In other words, the government agency, the government machine, the force of government, the organization itself becomes a reason rather than the original reason, which was to protect the people.
01:29:48.000That's gone, and just the structure remains, and it serves itself.
01:29:54.000And the social architects know what they're doing.
01:30:15.000We're going to go about five minutes into the next hour, but I have a meeting I have to be at at ten after, so we can't go too much overdrive.
01:30:31.000It's a large area of large classrooms that hold like 400 people apiece.
01:30:34.000They may even be in one of the bigger ones.
01:30:37.000You can go to PNAC Citizen or go to BraveNewBooks.com.
01:30:41.000They have a link over there where you can find it all for yourself as well.
01:30:46.000And Jim McGriffin, I'm really impressed with this interview today.
01:30:49.000It's really gone well being face-to-face with you.
01:30:52.000I want to, in the next few months, have you back on for maybe two or three hours to really get into solutions and Freedom Force International and the types of moral power we can take on to tear down their major structures and then, as I said, a much more limited government to guard against that because the pure anarchists don't understand.
01:31:07.000In even bands of five, six nomadic humans, you're going to have a leader.
01:31:11.000And so you're always going to have centralization.
01:31:13.000Anarchy only goes on for about five hours.
01:31:17.000We need the good people, as Thomas Jefferson said, we need to band together for limited government as a bulwark against the state and against organized crime.
01:31:25.000And I want to get more of your comments on that.
01:31:27.000Well, boy, you go over so many things so fast, Alex, I can hardly keep track.
01:31:32.000All I can remember is the last thing you said, which is so true.
01:31:54.000And so, when you talk about this political spectrum, supposedly between total government on one end and zero government on the other, and you talk about the gradients in between, what you're really talking about is if you take the ends of this and bend them up,
01:32:09.000And you make a circle out of it, so that instead of a straight line, you've bent that straight line up, and now it's a circle, and you see that the end of the line that represents zero government is now touching the other end of the line that represents total government, and that is what you're talking about, because under conditions of anarchy, in an instant you step over that line, and you are subject completely to the totalitarian dictatorship of the person with the biggest fist or the biggest weapon.
01:32:36.000And then it's escape from New York, he's the Duke, he's A number one.
01:32:40.000I mean it just happens like that and that's what these... But you know when you really watch these mainline anarchist groups, I don't mean their followers, it's all foundation funded, they hire them, Limbaugh's called for riots in Denver, so is Recreate, you know, 68, Subgribs.
01:32:55.000Again, they want to bring... and you find out a lot of these anarchists claim they're anarchists, but then they'll tell you they're communists.
01:33:01.000And so that's really the new cover for them.
01:33:12.000That under conditions of mature socialism, Marx taught, well then, mankind will have been reconditioned and retrained, and all these evil characteristics have been weeded out, and now we can live in perfect harmony with each other.
01:33:45.000So I think they're drawing this from the idea that the state somehow will wither away and then people will live in peace without any government regulation of any kind.
01:34:48.000Okay, in closing here, at the end, I am just going to give you six, seven minutes, sir.
01:34:55.000We've got about, probably, you know, ten thousand people on the web that are listening, and the Prison Planet TV members that are watching the letters we put on YouTube and Google.
01:35:03.000Just other key points about Freedom Force International, and then a few minutes, if you can, on the election, where that's going.
01:35:10.000uh... what's happening right now uh... with that and i mean we talk to break the total fiction but how important is to point out that it's a fiction Yeah, I'd like to flip those, if I may, and talk about how I went first.
01:35:22.000That'll be somewhat my topic tonight at the University.
01:35:26.000And when I called the speech the Quigley Formula, I'm referring, of course, to Professor Carol Quigley, who wrote the book Tragedy and Hope, and who was President Clinton's mentor when he was a student at Georgetown University.
01:35:41.000The significant thing about Uh, about Quigley, is that he was a collectivist, he was a historian for a secret society created by Cecil Rhodes that evolved over the years, still exists today, and in the United States its presence is known as the Council on Foreign Relations.
01:36:00.000I'm sure your audience is well aware of the Council on Foreign Relations and the fact that this small group, relatively small group of people, around 4,000 altogether, are actually the hidden rulers of the United States.
01:36:12.000So here's a guy, Quigley, who was the historian of this group, a very respected and prestigious professor at Georgetown University, and in his book he raises the question, he says, how is it possible For us to have total control over the population, for their own good, obviously.
01:36:34.000And yet, let them think that they are participating in their own political destiny.
01:36:38.000Because they need that, and now that's what the futurists and people like Bill Joyce say, is they say, will the elite even let us survive and give us kind of a false political subsystem while they have the advanced technologies and the real civilization?
01:37:20.000He said, we form two major political parties, we run them both from behind the scenes, and we let them fight each other over minor issues, so long as the electorate has to choose only between those two, then it makes no difference which one wins.
01:37:34.000We always remain in firm control of the political system.
01:37:37.000That's what I'll be talking about tonight, because I think people need to know that the elections that are coming upon us here, and all of this fierce debate between an Obama and a Clinton, and I can't even think of a Republican's name.
01:37:58.000It's all part of this very show that Quigley was talking about.
01:38:03.000And until Americans realize that the political parties, Republicans and Democrats, are merely two different branches of the same political party, they're never going to figure out what a solution to this problem is.
01:39:04.000Listen, before you go, please go meet with Trey in the back and let me set you up for like two more hours because stuff's moving fast in the next couple weeks over phone.
01:39:53.000Well, these people that I'm talking about have no idea what they like.
01:39:56.000They like him because he's a Republican or a Democrat, or because he's got nice teeth, or because they like his wife, or something like that.
01:40:03.000They have no concept of political ideology.
01:40:06.000I don't think the public realizes, they're starting to realize how life and death, how dangerous it is for your economy, for your checkbook, for your family, for your health.
01:40:24.000They love being called evil or love being called good, as long as they're the boss.
01:40:27.000But when you point out that a bunch of special interests with a scientific dictatorship are just using these as front dummies, They really hate being called puppets.
01:40:37.000In fact, I think some of them don't even realize it, or don't want to realize it.
01:40:41.000They know, they know, but they don't like to think about it.
01:40:44.000They like to... I think that... Well, that's the thing.
01:40:45.000I mean, I like meeting with fellow patriots, and I like going out, but it kind of gets tiring because I'm busy and I'm not that ego-driven.
01:41:12.000But when I see these globalists who will go to all these events and shake all these hands and do this, and I've met them and I've talked to them and I've read their...
01:41:20.000Well, I love fancy hats and medals and medallions.
01:41:25.000I think they're lesser men, but men who are greater than them intellectually and everything else, we, and I'm not tooting my horn, but compared to them we are heads above, we don't like all that.
01:42:22.000That's the glue that holds our members together in 58 countries right now.
01:42:27.000It's the basis for our international brotherhood, Alex.
01:42:31.000Once we're in agreement on that, then we cannot be divided by nationality, by culture, by religion, by race, by economic status, by gender.
01:42:43.000All of these things become immaterial.
01:42:46.000We become a true international brotherhood.
01:42:49.000There's never been anything quite like it, so far, of which I'm aware.
01:42:53.000We need a counter guild of people that are invested in liberty, and we need to work with each other in business, and network, and not just in political, but in business, and we need to have symbols, and we need to traffic with each other.
01:43:06.000And we have a lot more power than the collectivists.
01:43:41.000Well, I invite anybody who's interested in this theme, and I know all of your listeners are, to come to this site and read the Creed of Freedom and give it some thought, and then you'll see exactly what it is that unites us.
01:43:53.000And I think what you're doing is the answer, but I think also, even if people don't even join your group, I think they should, but if there's other leaders out there, who maybe a 20-year-old watching right now is going to end up, you know, being the leader, I'm not saying just one leader will do it, but maybe the straw that breaks the camel's back won't We may get executed, killed, maybe 200 years from now you're watching this, you know, in some illegal transmission, you know, that sits into your bubble chip in your head.
01:44:14.000I mean, maybe you're out there watching right now.
01:44:16.000You need to understand that take these ideas, change it, modernize it, whatever you do, just know that humanity, the species, needs to go on and be free and not have these control freaks destroy what we are.
01:44:27.000G. Edward Griffin, author of The Creature from Jekyll Island, freedom-force.org, speaking at UT tonight.