Tex Mars and Michael Hoffman join Alex Jones in the studio to discuss a host of issues, including the Deborah Jean Palfrey case, the Iran Contra scandal, and the ongoing investigation into the disappearance and murder of a young girl in the Oklahoma City school shooting.
00:00:01.000We're going to be covering a host of issues this hour, a little bit into the next hour, with Tex Mars and Michael Hoffman, historian, former AP writer, who's going to be with us for two hours.
00:00:26.000We're going to go into overdrive today with Mr. Hoffman, because I'm going to have Tex a little bit into the next hour, and then I'm going to spend a few minutes with the latest developments on the Deborah Jean Palfrey case.
00:00:36.000But Tex Mars is here to talk about a host of issues, multi-time New York Times best-selling author, Air Force officer, Of course, space and aeronautics professor.
00:00:47.000He married my wife and I. And Wanda, his wife, is such a sweetheart and good family friends.
00:03:06.000Well, Tex, let me just, I mean, please don't make it about me.
00:03:09.000I'm just an average person who's upset about what's happening, and I'm pretty obnoxious, but I've gotten a little bit better over time.
00:03:13.000But I have to add, You know, I learned more from Tex Mars than anybody else.
00:03:17.000I remember seeing people air your documentaries, your presentations, in like 1992-93 on Axis Television when you were just exposing the Clintons and the New World Order, and just starting to write books about that subject.
00:03:30.000And then Oklahoma City happened, and I saw you talking about that in 95, and that's right when I got on air.
00:03:38.000And of course, think how many people You've also woken up other than me, and think of all the other people I've woken up and all our listeners have woken up.
00:03:45.000That's what's so beautiful about this, but as you said, evil...
00:03:49.000Katie Bar The Door realizes we're breaking in on them, so they're throwing everything they've got right now.
00:03:54.000I mean, just overall, the whole round.
00:06:10.000When those needs are not met, they don't worry about abstract things like liberty and freedom.
00:06:16.000They do whatever the establishment says, if they've been domesticated, so they can quote, get that standard back.
00:06:23.000What they don't know is, this is the same elite that has engineered all this.
00:06:26.000And what you're saying, Tex, and I want to see you flesh this out because you wrote a book about it years ago.
00:06:31.000It's what the United Nations said they do in the sixties in the Club of Rome, and now they've just republished, the head of the CFR, Richard Inhofe's quote, I've been reading a lot on air, I'm sure you've seen it, where he says, we're going to have a twin rail, this is in 93, he said we're going to have terrorism, which we threaten them with to give up their rights, but then we're also going to have the global carbon tax in the name of saving the earth to regulate and bring in neo-feudalism, and he said, this is a quote, This makes humanity the enemy, and then we can direct the state against the enemy.
00:08:04.000And then they can also blame Alaska and point at a few hippies they finance as NGOs, when we've had all the oil company executives on more oil than Saudi Arabia, and the government isn't going to let it out of the ground.
00:08:14.000Oh, but hippies are stopping them from getting it.
00:08:17.000Well, yeah, we haven't had a, for example, in the oil area, we haven't had a new refinery built.
00:08:41.000And we got the old company documents in 2001, Associated Press did, where they said in 95, in a consortium meeting, the Big Ten, they said, Exxon, Mobil, all of them, before they merged, they said, we're going to buy up these 214 refineries and shut them down to create an artificial bottleneck.
00:09:15.000Yeah, my great-grandpa worked for Sun Oil.
00:09:17.000And back in the 70s, you know, when we had the first big energy crisis with Nixon in office, and there were lines at the gas pump, the service stations, miles long.
00:09:27.000My brother was just shocked about this, because remember he was with Sun Oil, he was able to see the figures of what their inventories were.
00:09:33.000He says, the United States is brimming with oil.
00:09:36.000There's no cutoff from the Middle East, brimming with oil.
00:09:39.000And the tankers continued to come in, but it wasn't being refined, because they had decided it's time to drive up the price.
00:09:47.000Now we know that Kissinger agreed with the Shah of Iran and others to allow the price of oil to escalate.
00:10:01.000Even at this time, thirty years ago, my brother told me something interesting.
00:10:05.000He said the oil fields, the oil wells that we first drilled and thought we'd brought all the oil out of the ground from, And then we capped them, you know, they put all the concrete and closed them back up.
00:10:16.000We're going, it's Sun Oil, I'm sure this is true of every oil company, we're going back now 20-30 years later, uncapping them, and guess what?
00:10:51.000But 1906, and it was just in the news the other day, they came back and they admitted the family owns the company, and they're about to fire Rex Tillerson because he won't go along with global warming.
00:11:00.000Well, of course, global warming is another scam that they have.
00:11:03.000Now, back to this fossil fuel, so-called.
00:11:21.000Around the Los Angeles area, they had the oil tar pits.
00:11:25.000And of course, being gooey and sticky, there were a certain number of animals, even back in prehistoric times, that got into the oil tar pit and guess what?
00:11:33.000They couldn't get out and they died there.
00:13:09.000Well, my take on this is, frankly, that there were names.
00:13:12.000You remember that the court ordered those names to be sealed.
00:13:16.000But here's a gal who once went on to prison, and I'm sure her lawyer says shut up now, but once she did her little prison term of six months or nine months or whatever, she was denuded of her money, right?
00:13:50.000I mean, I thought about him killing her for the book she was planning to do, which was admitted, but I didn't think of the fact that that's even more of a reason not to commit suicide.
00:13:59.000Harper and Roe, Simon and Schuster are slobbering at the mouth to get this gal to write a book on this.
00:14:04.000And of course, the bigwigs, the elite, and who knows the names, congressmen, senators?
00:14:30.000But the poor lady, you look at her, you know she's not the psychological type.
00:14:36.000You know, I don't want to say I know everything about psychology, but I did teach abnormal psychology and adult psychology at University of Illinois.
00:14:42.000Well, she told me she was never going to do it.
00:14:44.000She's no crazy person who's going to kill herself.
00:14:47.000She may be an immoral person, but even more the reason why she was looking forward to enriching herself.
00:14:53.000She had a gold mine here, just like the little gal did, that was exposed to the prostitute for Eliot Spitzer.
00:14:59.000Well, then on top of it, we also have, how this all started, the Brittany Britton, which was this, getting her PhD, but she was also already a professor, and she magically hangs herself when she was facing six months in jail for a prostitution bust, but she shot her mouth off.
00:15:19.000She said, I'm going to name names, boom, hangs herself, and then that's when they go bust her to bring her into the system and discredit her, her boss Palfrey.
00:16:11.000Yeah, they came out with Now, what, 150 years ago when they first discovered oil and were looking at coal, there is some small deposits where you find the imprints of ferns.
00:16:21.000There's very small amounts of coal that they found in association.
00:16:25.000As you said, they found tar pits in Africa, the U.S. I've seen the history.
00:16:28.000And they said, oh, the juice from these animals made this.
00:16:33.000Of course, now they admit that La Brea tar pits was them getting caught up in it.
00:18:03.000Again, a key point here for everybody to understand to totally back up what you're saying, Tex.
00:18:09.000I remember not just reading Club of Rome documents and all of this, because they go back 40 years, 30 years before they had met all of this.
00:18:15.000I remember on NPR and on PBS shows and Charlie Rose, they would say, the New World Order will be built on shortage.
00:18:23.000We've built on oil, water, timber, everything.
00:18:26.000And of course they get to tax us now on what humans put off, carbon dioxide, saying it's a deadly poison, when it's one of the four, you know, life-giving building blocks, water, sun, carbon dioxide, oxygen.
00:19:57.000Local police are going to have it too.
00:19:59.000Now, the interesting thing about Maurice Strong, for example, and I talk about him quite a bit in my book, Circle of Intrigue, the hidden inner circle of the global Illuminati conspiracy.
00:20:10.000Strong was the head, at the time, when he bought up these water rights here in the United States, head of the United Nations Environmental Program.
00:20:20.000Then he went back up to Canada and he bought into Hydro Canada.
00:20:24.000Now he owns most of the water rights of the Canadian people.
00:20:28.000Now, the reason why they did this, why they bought up all these water rights, all these aquifers very slowly, very quietly over the last two decades, they are now going to drive up the price of water to unbelievable levels.
00:20:41.000It's going to be such a precious resource.
00:20:44.000And they're going to watch every little drop.
00:21:08.000And in fact, I get the reports all the time.
00:21:09.000They'll come in and buy the city's water, pay off the politicians, and then double, triple prices overnight.
00:21:14.000Now, the food industry is exactly the same.
00:21:16.000We're going to come back and talk about that with Tex Mars.
00:21:19.000And then during this break, for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers or for InfoWars.com internet stream listeners, we're going to go ahead and switch over to that stream right now, folks.
00:21:26.000You'll be able to hear me and Tex at the InfoWars stream and continue this discussion to all our MNF affiliates.
00:21:32.000We'll be right back in three minutes for all of you that are out there.
00:21:36.000We're trying to stop the New World Order.
00:21:39.000Okay, Tex, we've got three minutes here, and I want to get more into Palfrey and what's happening.
00:21:45.000We're having two discussions here, parallel, called the Schizophrenic Radio Show.
00:21:49.000But a lot of people are pointing out that this was the High Holy Day, May 1st, yesterday, and that murders always go up then, kidnappings go up in the week before.
00:22:12.000The ancient pagans, okay, which all this is based on, this Illuminism is based on, worshipped on May Day.
00:22:19.000They had their great orgies to Bacchus and Dionysius.
00:22:23.000Now, these May Day celebrations, all right, May the 1st, you'll recall that Adam Weishaupt, who founded the Order of the Illuminati, founded it on May 1, 1776.
00:22:37.000The Communist Revolution, Lenin and Trotsky, they took over the Soviet Union in November But when did they have their big celebrations annually with all of the tanks and the rockets going down Red Square there in Moscow?
00:22:52.000You can have Communists, you can have Google, you can have Republicans, you can have... They all celebrate May Day, and the dumbed-down public doesn't know this is the highest holy day.
00:23:02.000They call it International Solidarity Day, you know, among the unions and others.
00:23:07.000And of course, May Day is actually a satanic festival.
00:23:11.000Remember, they would also have the maypoles they would put up, and have all the kids parade around.
00:23:15.000Then they would have their orgies out in the forest and so forth, worshiping Pan, the horned god of the forest.
00:23:20.000Now, let's, you know, move right up to today.
00:23:24.000We have the same celebrations of May Day going around the world, May Day.
00:23:30.000Okay, in England, and France, and Italy, and among the Illuminati, among the Freemasons, this is a key day.
00:24:46.000And there in the next break, we'll go back into that.
00:24:48.000We're having two parallel discussions today.
00:25:02.000During the break, we're talking about why did they kill Paul III on May Day, the high, holy occult day.
00:25:08.000And then it got into environmentalism and how they believe it's earth worship, sun worship.
00:25:12.000And then now we see that topic, because it's all interconnected, nexusing with how they want to control the resources through feudalism because they, quote, worship the earth.
00:25:22.000But then they're the ones actually destroying the earth because they believe in this yin and yang, the Illuminati Code, that they destroy and they rebuild.
00:25:29.000But in their own stated documents, it's official.
00:25:32.000They say that they're going to take the water, the food, the land, the oil, jack up the prices to bring you all back to a feudal level so you can't afford to have children.
00:25:41.000And as I told you they would do, they've now proposed one-child taxes in the U.S.
00:25:45.000as it started in China and then seven years later it started in the mid-70s and then in the early 80s became mandatory.
00:27:53.000The head of the United Nations Food Program, with this gigantic building, they probably employ three or four thousand bureaucrats in this one building in Brussels, Belgium, for food.
00:28:04.000And remember also, the United Nations last year had an international water conference.
00:28:38.000Less people, as Ted Turner's been saying, there are suddenly all of a sudden, if we had less people, you could have the Mercedes again.
00:28:45.000Well, isn't it interesting that Ted Turner, who, you know, the guy that once called Christians losers and bozos, Ted Turner, who's been favored by the Illuminati rich all his life, he says, we must all have no more than one child.
00:30:27.000But we're going to have terror on one part, and then we're going to have the environment on the other for scarcity to wage war on the people.
00:30:34.000And they say because when we have too much resources, we have time on our hands, we have liberty, we can politically get involved.
00:30:51.000And people then say, wow, we want liberty, we want freedom.
00:30:54.000But they're willing to give up their liberty and freedom if they need to eat, if they're thirsty, if they're worried about how they're going to afford a home for their family because of the oil prices going up and smashing the economy.
00:31:08.000What we need to do Is show that these are lies.
00:31:36.000You know, they don't like all the lies, even though it's making them make more money.
00:31:40.000I mean, I'm telling you as somebody whose family's worked as a petroleum geologist, worked in oil companies, worked as plant heads, worked as roughnecks, the whole leasehounds, you know, we're Texans.
00:32:18.000Here's the thing about Al Gore we have to understand.
00:32:20.000Remember what we said, that the oil companies Funded, founded, and sponsor the environmental organizations so that the environmental organizations can create the pretext of scarcity.
00:32:33.000We would love to build new refineries, but we can't because of the environmentalists.
00:32:36.000We would love to go into the ocean, the offshore areas off of California and Oregon and over on the Atlantic side, but the environmentalists won't let us.
00:32:45.000And then Schumer gets on TV and says, We would have a one cent decrease in twenty years when I've had the executives on who were there and they admit that on one north shore there's almost as much as there is in Saudi Arabia.
00:32:58.000There's more in the whole area and it's almost sweet crude shooting out and they could put in five new pipelines in a year.
00:33:33.000I remember that when his dad died, and in seeing press reports years ago, the former Senator Gore, that Al Gore now owned the controlling stock in Occidental.
00:33:43.000So he's an oil man, just like Bush with Harken Oil and the others.
00:33:57.000His father was a paid shill for Occidental Petroleum, which was owned, by the way, by a, and this is really an oxymoron, a communist capitalist, Armand Hammer, that every year ran back and forth to visit with the... But as Carol Quigley said... Pope Fubas of communist Russia... They want monopolies to deal with, so they help put the communists in.
00:34:19.000Well, Al Gore now is going to become a billionaire.
00:34:23.000He recently became one of the principals of a corporation worth $683 million, I believe.
00:34:33.000But remember, the important thing is they must create this scarcity that they're lying about.
00:34:38.000And the only way they can create it is by bottling up all the world's oil, all the world's water, all the world's resources, including the food.
00:34:46.000That's why the agribusiness corporations Willie Nelson has done a great thing to help the little farmers, but they only are producing a small percentage of the food.
00:34:59.000Since they've moved in, now, what was it, 50 years ago, they said we could supply the world three and a half times over with what we had currently.
00:35:08.000Now we are bringing 30 plus percent of our food in.
00:36:00.000They can, for example, claim, because remember now, they're the agribusiness corporations, they can claim there's a blight on wheat, and the wheat supply is ruined.
00:36:07.000They can claim that the winter frost killed the coffee down in South America.
00:36:13.000They can also blame it, and I've actually looked at these numbers now, they can also blame it on the ethanol, when that's a tiny fraction of it, which the Saudis want shut down.
00:36:23.000Well, and of course, ethanol is a silly thing, because the world is awash in petroleum.
00:38:12.000But listen, there is, unfortunately, unfortunately, there is no global warming, because as you know, you well know, you're a researcher, the world's four top weather tracking organizations now say we are going into a global cooling period.
00:38:28.000Because the sun had heated up briefly, now it's cooled.
00:40:10.000They have now said, five years ago, we're going to have the spy satellites watch farmers, make sure you're not planting trees in environmental areas, make sure you're not cutting down things.
00:40:19.000They're now saying they want to cut down trees, because they also put out carbon dioxide.
00:40:37.000Well, you know, around Chicago, Illinois, when the old horse Greeley is saying, go west, young man, go west, well, many people moved to Illinois in the United States and settled around there.
00:40:50.000At that time, they didn't have any trees.
00:40:51.000They brought trees from the east, they planted them.
00:40:53.000And then, of course, the seeds went through there.
00:40:55.000That's why there's more trees now than there were a hundred years ago.
00:40:57.000Yeah, there's more trees in America than there were a hundred years ago.
00:41:00.000Interestingly enough, though, environmental organizations in Illinois are now demanding, they have actually counted, they say, the trees in suburban Illinois, Chicago.
00:41:11.000They say there are 80,000 trees, and they're demanding those trees be cut down.
00:41:16.000They want to cut down all the 80,000 trees.
00:41:32.000Well, they're beautiful trees, and for, you know, thankfully.
00:41:35.000Listen, they make you do asinine things because they know psychologically, you know, as a psychology professor, you know, if they can make you do something stupid, they can make you do anything else they want.
00:41:46.000Yes, now, if it's true that Illinois once was grassland, and they want to cut down all the trees and return it to grassland, but at one time was not Illinois Ice covered?
00:42:06.000Well, of course, all of these things are a means of mind control, of causing radical transformation in society, just like this new reality, this age of scarcity.
00:42:16.000Now, what I would really like is to give some evidence of how we are awash in petroleum, Alex.
00:42:23.000People need to have the tools and the ammunition to use.
00:43:28.000Well, we have you, we have everybody that talks about all these subjects, and then other talk show hosts that are jealous, Tex, and that's sad because we need everybody to win.
00:43:36.000They all freak out and claim I censor all subjects when I cover everything forever.
00:43:41.000But again, people always want to say, I'm the best, I'll cover all the special things, but that's not true.
00:43:46.000We cover the entire spectrum, that's why we've been successful, whereas most people limit in the tiny little areas.
00:44:34.000And some of the newest works you've done.
00:44:37.000Well, I really want people to get this book, Days of Hunger, Days of Chaos.
00:44:41.000They'll find out how these chemical corporations now control our seeds.
00:44:46.000You know, they've managed to make crops.
00:44:49.000The seeds destroy themselves through science in one year.
00:44:53.000Each year, the seeds are destroyed, and farmers have to go back and buy the seeds from these huge corporations.
00:45:00.000At the same time, I want people to understand, we're going to end up, and by the way, you know, I'm a Christian, and even Bible prophecy Says one of the four riders, you know, the horses and the riders of the apocalypse, one of them brings famine and pestilence and death.
00:45:18.000The pale horse rider and the black horse rider.
00:45:20.000So this is even a prophetic thing that there'll be great hunger.
00:45:26.000It's a contrived, it's a false hunger.
00:45:29.000There will be warehouses full of food, but people will be starving.
00:45:33.000You remember back in the 1930s, depression.
00:45:36.000I had many older people who told me that they would see the milk trucks, you know, almost like the refrigerated milk trucks and such, and they would be throwing milk out.
00:45:45.000Stay there, let's say that on the show.
00:45:59.000TexMarsch.com will give you all the contact info.
00:46:01.000Now he'll get his free newsletter and a lot more in a few minutes.
00:46:05.000But before we do that, I want to be clear here.
00:46:07.000Using the satellites, having local police dial into them, spying on you, micromanaging, that federalizes the locals, violates your Fourth Amendment, You think you're under control and surveillance now.
00:46:18.000It's all going to be done under the guise of saving the earth.
00:46:21.000Meanwhile, they're doing the genetic engineering and everything that really is hurting the earth.
00:46:29.000And meanwhile, you read the Monsanto documents and they say, you know, we're going to contaminate everything, then claim ownership of the world.
00:46:35.000This is systematic wrecking of economy, systematic destruction, artificial scarcity.
00:46:40.000Text Mars, please continue with all the points you were going to make about that.
00:46:43.000About the depression, how they had the milk trucks, how they really had plenty, how they cut down on the credit, artificially did it.
00:46:49.000All the news articles, you've got the floor.
00:46:51.000Well, it's important to understand that these are contrived chaos events.
00:47:29.000When they say that we're moving into an age of scarcity, and all of our lives have to change, and we have to become a third world impoverished nation, and we just have to suck it up, that's just too bad.
00:47:40.000And we have to put up with $4, even $10 at the gas pump for a gallon of gasoline.
00:48:16.000I understand that Barack Obama introduced, as a senator, introduced legislation that would tax the American people one and a half percent of their income.
00:48:26.000The money would go, again this is a new tax levied against us, the money then, the billions that they plunder from the people, would go to the United Nations to feed the hungry of the world.
00:48:38.000And then that means Just like Bill Gates gives 80 plus billion to Warren Buffett, you hear it's to help Africans, it's to sterilize them, give them HIV, they've been caught, force them to eat GMO food, force Big Agra in.
00:48:50.000All the help they give you is really an assault.
00:48:53.000It's just like taking money from the lobby.
00:48:55.000John McCain, on the other hand, to show that we're not knocking any one political candidate, John McCain, on the other hand, said, hey, listen, for this summer only, Let's, you know, knock off the tax for the gasoline.
00:49:07.000That'll save everybody, what, you know, $30 a month.
00:50:36.000Well, when we come back, but even now, I would like to talk about the fact That as we are being told that we have a terrific supply problem with oil, and we're running out of oil.
00:52:15.000It's just the general public is still convinced that summer is global warming.
00:52:20.000And I notice the propaganda intensifies then.
00:52:23.000Continue here with what's really happening.
00:52:25.000Well, let's look at this planet awash with oil.
00:52:28.000Here I have from Yahoo, one of the major American news sources, This claim, it says all futures jump to record over $115 a barrel on supply concerns.
00:52:40.000In other words, we're running low, we don't have enough.
00:52:52.000Now, just as mighty a newspaper, as I was mentioning, as the New York Times or the Chicago Tribune or the Houston Chronicle, what does it say?
00:53:00.000World not running out of oil, say experts.
00:53:05.000And it begins, says, doom-laden forecast that world oil supplies are poised to fall off the edge of the cliff are wide off the mark according to leading oil industry experts.
00:53:36.000It's a deliberatism, which is controlled.
00:53:38.000A contrived crisis to drive up the prices.
00:53:41.000Well, it's like diamonds are really on the mid-scale or lower scale of even semi-precious.
00:53:46.000They're not even highly semi-precious.
00:53:48.000I mean, in Africa, they just lay around on the ground, but people fight, you know, mortgage their house, work a year to pay for a big rock for their wife, because that's the symbol, and literally they have giant warehouses just filled with diamonds.
00:54:39.000This is a story that just ran April 14th.
00:54:42.000It says Petrolio Brasilia, that's Petrobras, offshore, Carioca, The oil field may hold 33 million barrels of oil, enough to supply every refinery in the United States for six years, making it the third largest oil field ever discovered.
00:56:19.000has just published its official results of a groundbreaking study.
00:56:24.000Up in North Dakota, who would have believed it?
00:56:27.000South of North Dakota and Montana, they have found a store of oil that could last America, could take care of all of our oil needs for a thousand years in South of North Dakota!
00:56:37.000Final segment with Tex Mars and Michael Hoffman coming up.
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00:59:38.000It is the final segment with Tex Mars.
00:59:41.000I'm going to recap briefly what's happened with the Evergene Palfrey murder.
00:59:45.000And that's even what mainstream television is saying.
00:59:47.000Before we finish up with how they're having these contrived artificial scares to these techs in this key area that you're exposing.
00:59:57.000You said you were watching Nancy Grace and she was saying this is suspicious.
01:00:00.000We played some clips from Fox where they're saying it's suspicious.
01:00:03.000I mean, this is getting ridiculous when the prostitute under her, who was a college professor, going to get like an extra PhD at the time, was facing six months in jail and hung herself.
01:00:14.000Saying she was going to shoot her mouth off, and then now she's telling everybody, you know, if they kill me, you know, I was killed, I'm not going to kill myself.
01:00:23.000Then they have this government spook type come out, who makes up all this stuff and has a history of it, saying, oh, she just called me and said she was going to kill herself.
01:01:00.000You know, McCain's little girl that he was having a little teat-a-teat with.
01:01:05.000Well, there was a high-level CIA operative who did things with the police chief and CIA director and was all over TV and headed up one of the regional intelligence agent groups, clubs.
01:01:17.000And the cops reportedly started chasing him.
01:01:36.000I mean, now there's a lot of weird stuff going on.
01:01:39.000And this local Palestinian had his railings with machine guns running around in his yard, the neighbors said, and he was an activist, peaceful activist, he was a school teacher, and then they tortured him to death, and duct tape all over his body, threw it in the river, and the APD first said, oh yeah, he was murdered.
01:01:54.000I talked to people at TV stations that heard the scanners, and the police said that too, that yeah, we thought he was murdered.
01:01:59.000And then, no, the higher ups said, no, no, no, this is quite normal to be all tied up and sliced up.
01:02:06.000Well, sir, it goes all the way back to the LBJ era, when a guy was shot 32 times in the back, and they said he committed suicide.
01:02:14.000He was one of the guys that knew the truth about the voting irregularities in the Johnson election.
01:02:19.000Well, that's when you know it's the government.
01:02:21.000Because if it's a normal murder, they'll actually go around and maybe investigate.
01:02:25.000But when it's a government op, you could... I mean, the cops walk up and execute this guy, and they say, no, it's no big deal.
01:02:31.000You know Alex, I've known you for quite a while now.
01:03:28.000But if we're ever suicided, You know, they don't care!
01:03:33.000Even though people are going to remember the fact, hey, I listened to Alex in text that day, they'll never kill themselves, and we never would!
01:03:39.000But I mean, I made the joke last week and a month ago, I said they're going to start killing us on TV with them shooting us and say it's suicide, and now they're basically doing that in Houston!
01:03:48.000One of the things that happens here is this does create fear.
01:03:52.000If they can kill this Palfrey girl, who's had all this visibility, who might they kill?
01:03:58.000I mean, if the little people of the world have no chance at all, if they could kill an Alex Jones or a Tex Morris or a Deborah Palfrey, this is the fear.
01:04:06.000I think they may even enjoy the fact that a person like Palfrey can say, I would never kill myself, and the next thing you know, they're claiming she committed suicide.
01:04:17.000So, I think this is another way of creating this psychological alchemy of fear in the population.
01:04:47.000And here again we go back to this energy situation, to the food situation, to the water situation.
01:04:53.000What Americans need to do, what listeners need to do that are hearing us today, We need to go to the sources of truth, and we need to discover the fact that the world has plenty of oil, plenty of food, plenty of water, and we can get much more through increased technology which we have.
01:05:10.000Right now, with the new drilling technology, let me tell you, we can go to the middle of the Atlantic and go down thousands of feet and bring up all the oil that we would ever need for 10,000 years.
01:05:22.000And so we need to say, you're lying to us.
01:05:24.000Just like with 9-11, we need to prove these people That they're nothing but a bunch of inveterate liars.
01:05:30.000Now once we do that, we can turn things around.
01:05:33.000Speaking of new drilling technology, I have a uncle, and they drilled on his property a couple months ago.
01:05:50.000Well, of course, if we do have global warming, then they can just pull those icebergs over to the coast, and there's trillions of barrels of water.
01:06:20.000So we have incredible amounts of desert land that's being turned into arable, water-driven farmland.
01:06:31.000There will always be enough food in the world.
01:06:34.000By the way, I've seen a bunch of studies, and they go, those are oil company studies.
01:06:38.000No, no, these are studies separate, you know, just studying plants.
01:06:41.000Plants will like as much as 14 times higher carbon dioxide.
01:06:45.000They use less water, live longer, are healthier, and they're now doing studies showing desertification is in periods with low carbon dioxide, and they're reporting, from my scores going back millions of years, but the really reliable ones, 200,000, this is the lowest level of carbon dioxide ever.
01:07:01.000And they're saying it is massively associated with desertification.
01:07:05.000And sure enough, because it did spike the last few decades, now it's going to start going back down, suddenly there was more of a greening.
01:07:29.000I mentioned the Bakken oil formation in North and South Dakota, but there's a bigger one.
01:07:35.000Out in the Gulf of Mexico in 2004, BP Oil, Exxon Mobil, and another one of the large multinational conglomerates, found the largest reservoir store of oil Ever found in the United States.
01:09:26.000They can get these things on the internet.
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01:16:17.000He'll be with us 20 minutes into overdrive.
01:16:19.000I want to take our time here today and attempt to not throw in my points and added things and back up what he's saying, but really riveting, important information to understand the world we live in and how the nature of reality has been hidden from us in false...
01:16:33.000Images and false maps have been downloaded into our minds.
01:16:37.000He is an alternative historian, award-winning, a former AP writer based in New York.
01:16:42.000He's written some books that have been best-sellers, very well-received.
01:16:45.000And we're going to break down a whole host of issues, the cornucopia.
01:16:49.000I want to start at the beginning today and go back to the roots of this, go through it all with our guest today.
01:16:55.000Thank you for coming on with us, Mr. Hoffman.
01:17:00.000This is a short segment, we'll come back in a long one, but just begin wherever you like, whatever you think is most important.
01:17:05.000If you were talking to a new audience, which most of my listeners are for you, and trying to explain it to an informed population, but also people that may not have a full understanding.
01:17:17.000Well, I think I'd like to go back to what we discussed last time.
01:17:20.000You raised an issue, and then I heard a commercial on the program that set off something in my mind.
01:17:26.000And you mentioned, you said, where is it?
01:17:30.000Where do we trace this cryptocracy, this conspiracy, up to the top?
01:17:35.000And you said, is it a German conspiracy?
01:17:38.000And then there was an add-on saying that we were headed to a papal America, that whenever church and state are united, that brings about tyranny.
01:17:49.000When I hear that, I realize that there's more confusion out there than I even realized, because I think we have to follow a trail in the West.
01:17:58.000And what my remarks today will be about Western civilization, the cryptocracy as it operates in the West.
01:18:05.000Now I want to be clear, I want to stop you though.
01:18:10.000We're all broken though into subgroups fighting over which group runs it with most of our collective energies and the movement spent on that.
01:18:20.000I understand it's a methodology that infects all the major groups, but with some core groups operating, I just want to be clear for the audience.
01:18:28.000Well, you know, I see that when we're trying to find a way of ameliorating the cancer plague And one of the ways that the system keeps us from doing that is they plant the idea that everything causes cancer, so why bother?
01:18:42.000When we're dealing with the assassination of President Kennedy and we're trying to bring the criminal masterminds who were behind that to justice, one of the ways they obstruct us is they plant the idea that everybody killed Kennedy.
01:18:54.000It was the communists, it was the anti-communists, it was the CIA, it was the KGB.
01:18:59.000So when we have these agents of confusion sowing this, some of it is honest confusion of course, not everyone is an agent, but when the agents of disinformation or confusion are out there, we can't begin to proceed from first principles.
01:19:13.000And I find so many people are in difficulty because they're not proceeding from first principles.
01:19:32.000He believes that Rosicrucians use magic to drop A-bombs.
01:19:36.000He believes the earth is on a string and that the universe orbits it.
01:19:40.000I mean, these people, some of them are so kooky, but they demand that you agree with them, and so I just want to be clear that I don't agree with a lot of the groups that are out there saying this group or that group runs it all.
01:20:04.000It's just, I don't even think most his minions know that he believes all this insanity.
01:20:08.000Right, because one of the things I noticed in the ad is they said they associated, they created a proprietary relationship between church and state and the papacy.
01:20:20.000And actually, the United States of America was formed in revolt against an Anglican church in this state, which had united in Great Britain... Well, let's be clear.
01:20:36.000Well, and so, I mean, just very briefly, the Anglicans were operating a union between church and state, and one of the reasons I know that is when I was researching the biography of the first Roman Catholic Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Roger B. Taney, And he talked about when he was a child, he was banned from going to Catholic school.
01:20:57.000He was born just slightly before the onset of the American Revolution.
01:21:01.000And once the American Revolution was a success, almost immediately, his parents were allowed to send him to the school of his choice.
01:21:09.000So, it's just one example of the anomalies of history, and either we're accurate... Stay there!
01:21:58.000But I was confused in the last segment about ads, and then it clicked in my mind about some Catholics Run It All ad that runs on the network.
01:22:30.000I'm indexing a nearly 1,000 page book on Judaism called Judaism Discovered.
01:22:36.000And so obviously that would be the source and focus of what I want to talk about today, although I realize I've written other books and I know you're interested in the epistemology of the cryptocracy as I've elucidated it in my book, Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare.
01:22:51.000That's the system they use, and my only point is that school of thought is used by others, though you could argue they're the masters in the primitive group, the strand that binds it all.
01:23:02.000And so I'd like to hear your view and your research on that.
01:23:04.000With two hours, then let's just get into the Judaism first for an hour, and then let's do an hour on all of their different methods and sorceries.
01:23:16.000Right, and the other thing I'd like to say to you, Alex, is feel free to challenge me If you think that there's something I'm saying that's erroneous, I find that it makes for a much more interesting conversation.
01:23:28.000I'm going to have to physically restrain myself not to add points and jump in.
01:23:32.000But I have to tell you, sir, I researched the stuff you're putting out, the information you're putting out.
01:23:36.000And I think on the whole it's accurate only because I'm somewhat of a history buff in my own right.
01:23:41.000It's so wide and deep that we're all novices really, but I've just found so much of what I've read you've written that I already discovered separately in multiple other texts that weren't even political in nature.
01:23:53.000So I have to agree with your overall view and analysis.
01:23:57.000I may disagree in the approach to the public, and also I believe that the globalists are also controlling much of the anti-Judaism movement and putting it out in a way that actually only empowers some of the more dangerous varieties there.
01:24:12.000And of course you know the old European tool of using some of the Zionists as their fronts, before it was known as Zionist, going back a thousand years ago.
01:24:20.000So I believe it's kind of a hybrid amalgamation.
01:24:23.000But listen, you've got the floor, we're going live right now.
01:24:51.000Trying to question the box within a box that we all live in.
01:24:56.000Alright, Michael Hoffman is our guest.
01:24:59.000Michael, before we go any further, tell us in a nutshell a little bit about yourself, your awakening for a minute or two, your website, your books, and then we're going to go for two hours pretty much straight here with only a few breaks.
01:25:31.000He wasn't a professional, but he had a great deal of skepticism about the mainline story of history.
01:25:38.000So I was basically sitting on his knee from a young age, hearing him talking about things like, for example, that Joseph P. Kennedy had stolen The election in 1960 for his son through the Chicago Mafia and I was hearing this practically as a toddler so I suppose I've been predestined for this line of inquiry for being a skeptic for always questioning and doubting and as John Milton said
01:26:07.000In the 17th century, give me the right to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience above all other liberties, and that's what I've tried to live and what I've tried to extend to others, Alex.
01:26:18.000Now let me just throw out something here.
01:26:19.000It's become a thought crime to say that CO2 is a deadly poison.
01:26:25.000to say that sodium chloride isn't deadly poison.
01:26:29.000It has become a thought crime to even question official stories, official history, but questioning Debra Jean Palfrey's clear murder, when we now have another eerie flashback.
01:26:41.000Madam said, I'll never want my life to end in suicide.
01:26:44.000She not only said that here on this show, in May 2007 for an interview for Carol Joyt, host of Q&A Cafe TV show, Palfrey faced criminal indictment for prostitution, but for Palfrey, one thing was crystal clear during the interview.
01:26:56.000She would not end her life by hanging herself.
01:26:58.000As Brandy Britton, one of her employers had, clearly murdered as well.
01:27:17.000So that's questioning history, and that now is a thought crime they want to arrest you for.
01:27:22.000So we have to stand up against this now, no matter how painful or how demonized we get, because even if you disagree with ideas you hear here, you need to fight for the right for people to say them and have them.
01:27:35.000Well, and this particular questionable death that you're referring to reminds me as far back as Secretary of Defense James Forrestal, who a lot of us believe was tossed out of a window and they claim that that was suicide.
01:27:47.000And of course the secrets and the knowledge that he was sitting on were absolutely cataclysmic in terms of what he might have or could have revealed.
01:27:54.000So they certainly have a long history of doing this, but I'm not privy to the details of this particular case.
01:28:01.000But, um, Lately, since the year 2000, I have been consumed with my research on Judaism and on Zionism and the Talmudic religion, because I feel that it's the key to understanding the cryptocracy as a whole.
01:28:17.000And during the break, you had mentioned to me that you also feel there are some aspects of anti-Judaism which are problematic, and I would agree with that insofar as I believe that The Cryptocracy plants their own Agence Provocateur inside various groups and then they take extreme positions which actually benefit Judaism.
01:28:39.000One of the prime ways that they benefit Judaism is Whenever you have race hate injected into this discussion.
01:28:46.000And the Zionist documents going back 200 years say that it compacts their group and then they feed on the lower Jews beneath them and the Jews think that their leaders are taking care of them when Israel admittedly has been caught doing bombings in Baghdad 60-something years ago, bombings in southern Spain, all of these things to drive Jews back to their homeland.
01:29:09.000Well, Judaics are the first victims of Judaism.
01:29:14.000That's something that has to be understood, is that the freedom movement that I'm leading here with regard to Judaism is first an attempt to liberate individual Judaics from Judaism.
01:29:25.000And so you disagree with the main line of the crazies that say Jews are really Neanderthals and crazies that go around stirring up trouble and making people look stupid that talk about this.
01:29:37.000You're saying you don't believe they're inherently devil-seed.
01:29:40.000Yeah, this reptilian idea and all of that, what it really means is it means that Jesus Christ was wrong and that people can't be converted.
01:29:50.000If someone is inherently the seed of the devil, all you can do is exterminate them.
01:29:56.000So you can see the occult root to that, and you can see the black evil that's behind that.
01:30:01.000Well, that's my point, is that, you know, fifteen years studying this, every time I met somebody who said it was the Jews, the Jews, they were lying, backstabbing, crazy, lying scum, who would always attack me, and then I'm like, my God, the people that believe this must be bad, because everybody I meet is, but I guess they're provocateurs, or crazies, or losers who want to blame a group, but just because they're doing that doesn't mean This isn't a predatory group out of control.
01:30:29.000Well, it's a predatory ideology which is out of control, but there's another factor here, and that is, who is a Jew?
01:30:35.000I mean, people run around calling themselves Jews, and in John Chapter 8, Jesus said that they had as their father the Father of Life, so why do we believe them?
01:30:46.000All of the genealogical records were destroyed when the Romans conquered Jerusalem in A.D.
01:30:51.00070, so we only have the word of these rabbinic liars to say that they're descended from King David or Abraham.
01:31:00.000You and I may have more Abrahamic blood in our veins than they do, but my question and my challenge to them is prove it.
01:31:07.000Prove that you're descended from Judah.
01:31:09.000Well, they've done the DNA test and they know that about 82% of people claiming to be Jews are actually Central Eastern European, um, Khazars.
01:31:17.000And that's, people call me all the time like they found some new secret.
01:31:20.000I remember reading that when I was 10 years old in Mainline History.
01:31:23.000So what that also does though, it's interesting because it absolves these interlopers from actually being the biblical Jews.
01:31:32.000They don't have any kind of a curse on them, although I believe even when we are talking about actual Israel, and certainly there is a remnant of Israel on the earth, as scripture says, but that curse was only on the few generations there, the early generations that would have been implicated in the death of Christ.
01:31:49.000It certainly wouldn't correspond to any actual biological Jew who was alive today.
01:31:54.000But this racial issue, Alex, one of the things that we have to understand here is, is that the rabbis ...are very keen on keeping Judaics inside the ranks.
01:32:05.000So they have to use the Hitlers, the Nazis, and the haters to scare the Judaic people back into the fold of Judaism.
01:32:13.000Because one of the things that Judaism teaches in the Talmud is, is that no matter how nice, how good, how benevolent a Gentile is towards you, he's only doing it for ulterior, cynical motives.
01:32:25.000He can never really love you for yourself.
01:32:28.000And a corollary from that, if I may expand on this, is the idea that if someone attacks the Israeli government, if they say they're genocidal, they're instituting a holocaust against the Palestinians, if they say, like Walt and Mershimer do in their book on the Israeli lobby, that there's inordinate power and control of the United States government on the part of the Israeli lobby,
01:32:53.000The reaction of the main hardcore of Orthodox Judaism and Zionism is to say, you know, that's inherently anti-Semitic.
01:33:11.000I mean, if you... and people always say, well, I don't hate Jews, I just hate Zionists.
01:33:16.000But now those guys have all flipped and are saying, I do hate Jews, it is the Jews.
01:33:22.000Well then if they're saying that, Alex, they're falling right into the rabbi's trap.
01:33:26.000I know, I've read the official documents they wrote where they said, isn't it wonderful, we'll get people to persecute us, we'll even commit horrible crimes and let the Gentiles find out so they'll persecute us so we can then have our little slaves under us and not letting Hitler Kick the Jews out saying no, they have to come to Palestine, they've got to pay us money.
01:33:45.000One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Germany.
01:33:49.000I mean, you know, these sickening evil statements, these types of things, all I'm saying is it's a lot more sophisticated.
01:33:56.000Let me digress and then we'll get back into this.
01:33:59.000Why is there such an obsession with Germanic-ness by the modern Zionist?
01:34:06.000Why do we see the Rothschilds funding different German institutes of eugenics?
01:35:24.000And so what I would say is that I see a cleavage between this The idea that there is sort of a secret linkage between the Germanic elite and the elite of the cryptocracy.
01:35:37.000I mean, 80 plus billion dollars in the last four years from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation with Warren Buffett, and they're in Africa injecting them with HIV.
01:35:48.000They've been caught carrying out eugenics.
01:35:50.000I mean, that I would call Hitler-esque.
01:35:54.000But if the Judaics run it, I guess they want all the blacks and Asians dead too, or what?
01:35:59.000Well, that's a little bit outside my competence in terms of discussing this issue at hand.
01:36:04.000But I mean, that's what I'm saying, though, is that the Darwinistic view, the Francis Galton view, I mean, when I get to the head of the Human Genome Project, Dr. Watson, saying blacks basically weren't human.
01:36:17.000You know, he's a white guy, and he's running the Human Genome Project, running around saying blacks aren't human.
01:36:22.000I'm saying, you know, I understand in the media and everywhere else you can see the Zionists, but I'm saying, when I get into science, and I get into foundations, and I get into this, I mean, it's Hitlerian, it's eugenics.
01:36:33.000I'm saying I've really found that, and I've really found Zionists everywhere, too.
01:36:37.000So what I'm saying is... It's Hitlerian, but Hitler is an anomaly in terms of German civilization.
01:36:43.000It would be like saying that George Bush Is a typical product of our American civilization... No, but when I say Germanic, I don't mean even the German people.
01:37:19.000I mean, Germanic is the main fulcrum in that entire region, even into northern France.
01:37:25.000Well, they certainly always wanted to control the Germans, but prior to the rise of Hitler, Germany and German civilization was a paragon of the music of Bach and Beethoven and The great philosophy and the advances in religion and science, which we owe so much to the Germans.
01:38:09.000The point is... Well, you know, it's interesting though, Alex, because they say that people who are in the know tell me that when you go to these collection catalogs for Nazi memorabilia and Nazi relics, that the number of Judaic customers on there is astonishing.
01:38:26.000No, no, that's... And perhaps you use the appropriate word, perhaps it's a fetish.
01:38:31.000Yeah, no, I'm just, I mean, I really study this stuff.
01:39:06.000Well, Hitler used a good luck symbol, the swastika, which prior to the rise of his regime was always universally associated with good luck.
01:39:15.000All it is is the symbol of the sun in motion.
01:39:17.000You put a cross inside of a wheel, you knock four segments of it out, and it looks like a running man or an intimation of the sun.
01:39:27.000A pagan symbol always associated generically with good luck and he twisted it into this horrible thing.
01:39:34.000I think in general there is a magnetic archetype associated with the northern European model both racially and in terms of some of the things that we see in our movies and culture as far as these associations with the polar regions and with the sword and sorcery epics.
01:39:52.000So it wouldn't surprise me if at some level in the occult or heavy metal music, or even at the higher levels that you're insinuating are operant here, that they are mining that, so to speak.
01:40:05.000But what I can tell you from my own research, what my opinion is, is that far above that and far beyond that is the Kabbalah, the Talmud, and the veritable worship, not of the German or the Aryan or any archetype along those lines, but the worship of the Judaic male as personified by but the worship of the Judaic male as personified by the rabbi.
01:40:27.000Oh no, I mean there's no doubt that Madonna and all of it, I mean it's everywhere, the symbolism, no it's dominant, I agree.
01:40:33.000Well, Madonna is a, I hesitate to use the word witch because of all of the inquisitorial connotations of that word, so I would call her a magician, and I would say that her recent 30 minute show in New York City Had all the hallmarks of a cabalistic open air ritual that was both broadcast on the internet and also much to do was made of it in New York City.
01:41:13.000Well, that's her actual identity would be Jezebel, but what we find is, for example, in Judaism they say, well, you Gentiles can be saved and you can be part of the covenant if you become a Noahide.
01:41:25.000But actually, they're not talking about the biblical Noah any more than Madonna is a representative of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
01:42:30.000Yes, and so in the case of the Noahide and the Noah of the Talmud, the Talmud regards Noah as a drunk and a very unsavory character, and what you really have is you have a trap for Gentiles.
01:42:47.000It's like the old story where Dracula couldn't enter your home unless you invited him in.
01:42:52.000He has to trick you to invite him in, but let me stop you there.
01:42:56.000Let's just, when we come back, start at the beginning so people understand this about how the Torah is different than the Talmud and the Zohar and all those.
01:43:05.000And how they're separate, because they're hearing this going, no, no, the Bible says no is good.
01:43:10.000They need to understand two separate deals.
01:43:12.000You've got a Middle Eastern group, you've got a European group that just picked up on things the Jews picked up in Babylon and of course in Egypt, and then try to explain that to people.
01:43:40.000So, basically, the Talmud is bringing people, it's using people to think, these poor Christian people who think, Here's the Holy Blood of Israel flowing the veins of these rabbis, and I've got to get amalgamated with them, and the way to do that is to associate with this Noahide group.
01:44:00.000And then just like you asked Dracula, oh, won't you come into my home?
01:44:05.000And having done that, then he has a certain power over you.
01:44:09.000So you join the Noahide group, and whereas right now you and I are basically trying to expose Uh, these evils, but when you actually sign on for the evil, then of course you lose a certain amount of your volition and your cognition, and it's that much easier to snatch your soul and control you, and that's what the Noahide operation is.
01:44:30.000It has nothing to do with the scriptures whatsoever, but people don't understand that there's this mirror world operating in Judaism.
01:45:31.000Okay, um... Be clear, though, about the separate groups.
01:45:36.000Like, you have the Torah, which is the Old Testament, which is literally 180 degrees from what comes later.
01:45:43.000I mean, let's start at the beginning here.
01:45:46.000Y'all, well, you know, we're dealing with master deceivers, and so there's a counterfeit.
01:45:51.000We were talking about that while at the commercial break, how it's a mirror world, a mirror of the scripture, and a mirror of biblical patriarchs and biblical figures.
01:46:02.000And so we will hear Orthodox rabbis say, well, we're Torah true.
01:46:09.000And in fact, the rabbis tell those who are part of Judaism, you can't understand the Bible without the mediation of our interpretation of it.
01:46:18.000Protestants don't seem to have a problem with that.
01:46:21.000They have a huge problem with the idea that the Pope claims to be a mediator of Scripture, but when the rabbis make that claim, they seem to be very apathetic about that.
01:46:33.000I don't understand that, but anyhow, Let's be clear about the Torah.
01:46:39.000When they say that they're Torah-true, they mean that they're Talmud-true.
01:46:43.000Because there is the Torah Shibik-Tav, which is the written Torah, and the Torah Shibel-Pah, which is the oral Torah.
01:46:54.000And they say that is the real law, not the old law.
01:46:59.000Well, yeah, what they say is there is a dual law, that Moses was given two laws on Mount Sinai.
01:47:04.000The oral law, which became the province of the rabbis, and which was only written down after Israel crucified its Messiah, and then really became degenerate.
01:47:13.000Prior to that, it had been a toss-up which way they were going to go, and so they had never sufficiently lost the grace to commit this evil to writing.
01:47:22.000And Moses, when he actually went after him, throwing the tablets, he was going after this group, is what a lot of people say.
01:47:28.000Well, I certainly think that it must have started around the time of the Golden Calf.
01:47:33.000Well, they were bringing back the Egyptian secret knowledge they'd found, and he was saying, no, no.
01:47:38.000So it's that same group always running right next to the other.
01:47:42.000As we mentioned in the last broadcast, the Talmud says ten measures of sorcery were given to the earth, nine were given to Egypt, and one to the rest of humanity.
01:47:50.000So they certainly see Egypt as a source of magic and sorcery.
01:47:54.000Of course, officially they condemn Egypt, but actually Secretly, they have tapped into that power, and they actually pay obeisance to it.
01:48:03.000And as you said last time you were on, or as the late Arthur C. Clarke said, a Texas Instruments calculator would be the highest order of magic to somebody just 200 years ago.
01:48:13.000So when we use the term magic sorcery, that's ways to manipulate populations, lie, spin things, and then they just package it in a bunch of mumbo-jumbo.
01:48:23.000Yeah, because leftist intellectuals could accuse us of mystifying the discussion by bringing in magic, but actually they're the ones who are mystifying when they refuse, when they use this agnosticism to refuse to recognize how technology operates.
01:48:38.000And in the last program I mentioned that Arthur C. Clarke, his famous statement was that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
01:48:50.000We're talking about a science Which even certain scientists have been able to cover up and mock and direct our attention away from by claiming, oh, that's just silly fairy tales.
01:49:01.000And Arthur C. Clarke, who was a pioneer and prophet of the satellites that we now have operating around our Earth, and a key agent of the cryptocracy... He's the inventor of it, Glenn.
01:49:33.000Sure, Revelation 2.9 talks about, I know them who say they are Jews and are not, and are of the synagogue of Satan, so right there we're being warned of a counterfeit.
01:49:44.000Jesus, in the key book of John, in chapter 8, talking about the counterfeit, and that's a key theme there in chapter 8, because it pertains directly to what we're dealing with now, where they say, we have Abraham's blood in our veins, we are the children of Abraham, and Jesus acknowledges their biological Pedigree.
01:50:03.000But at the same time, he says you can't have Abraham as your father.
01:52:04.000We're going to skip some of the network breaks so I can talk behind the scenes for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers and people listening to the streams at InfoWars.com.
01:52:13.000You've got to go to those audio streams, though, to be able to tune into it.
01:52:17.000Or you can miss out on it if you'd like.
01:52:21.000Well, one of the things that I think is important to understand, Alex, is that we need counterintelligence and we need to recruit among the Judaics themselves.
01:52:30.000And that's one of the reasons why I've been able to profit in my research has been that I have had Judaic informants inside the yeshivas and the kolels who assist me with my research.
01:52:44.000I wouldn't be able to benefit from the details they've given me.
01:52:48.000If they thought that I was a racist hater, and it feeds into the Rabbi's image of the Gentile and of the Christian, if we in any way reinforce that image.
01:52:58.000Now, what I wanted to do was, I wanted to give you the actual teaching that Talmudic children receive in Orthodox Judaism.
01:53:06.000This is a phrase that's repeated to them throughout their childhood, and I'll give it to you now.
01:53:10.000Halakha hi beya doa shi asav sonai leil yakav.
01:53:15.000And translated that means, it is a given law.
01:53:22.000Now they see themselves as Esau, and we are Jacob.
01:53:25.000And what they're being told from the time they're little children is, is that they are irrationally hated just because they are Judaic.
01:53:36.000Not because they mistreat the Palestinians, not because they have inordinate influence over Congress.
01:53:43.000Now, if we, in our information campaign, fulfill that stereotype as so many people in the right-wing and the neo-Nazi movement, and even in the Arab world, have done and are doing, and are encouraged to do by Ajahn Provocateurs, we are then doing the work of the rabbis.
01:54:01.000Because we need to convert rabbis, and we need to convert Judaics.
01:54:05.000Judaics who are listening to me right now, Jesus loves you.
01:54:09.000He wants to free you from these burdens, this terrible yoke that the Talmudists have put upon you.
01:54:17.000Well it's the same thing like our government, and that's the same mindset, you see the same paradigm, the same signature.
01:54:23.000The government's going to keep you safe from the terrorists, really the government's behind it.
01:54:26.000The government's going to take your rights to keep you safe.
01:54:43.000Well, because what they're saying is there is a racial war to the hilt, and it's irremediable.
01:54:49.000There's nothing that they can do to change their race, and therefore, since they describe all of us, Or the majority of us as being racial haters of them, you then have this chasm that can't be bridged.
01:55:03.000And so if we actually take that position as so many in the past have, then we're shooting ourselves in the feet.
01:55:09.000So it's very, very important to understand that we're dealing here with an ideology, with a spiritual force.
01:55:17.000And for example, this spiritual force, as you know on your program and have brought up many times, operates within Freemasonry, and they're the most blue-eyed, blonde-haired, Aryan Gentiles they can be.
01:55:29.000We have evil in every race and every nation.
01:55:33.000But because of the nature of the Talmud and the Kabbalah, that evil is centered on this notion of the racial supremacy of the Judaic as personified by the Rabbi.
01:55:46.000Which is in the Talmud, which is in the Zohar, which is in all the books, and then it's in Encyclopedia Judaica, but we're not supposed to talk about that.
01:55:54.000And we're actually dealing with the source of racism in the world as a whole, because it's not in the Bible.
01:56:03.000Islam may have many problems and many errors, and there's no question about that, but Islam does not practice racism.
01:56:12.000The most searing and ferocious and savage racism on the earth today is the racism of the Talmud, and then it's practiced and implemented in the Zionist Israeli state.
01:56:24.000We're going to continue during the break.
01:56:26.000If you're an InfoWars listener, stay with us, and I will be right back.
01:56:30.000Okay, now I want to debate with you a little bit here.
01:56:32.000There's no doubt it says all that and does that and it's wrong, but then I look at every culture, or even one African tribe across the river from the other, they'll say the other tribe is bad, we're the best, you know, they worship the snake god, we worship the monkey god, we're better, or we worship the water buffalo god.
01:56:47.000You've got, you know, groups are always, I mean, everybody says our team's the best, or, you know, folks from East Texas are better than North Texans.
01:56:56.000I mean, everybody says the other group isn't human and deserves to die.
01:56:59.000I mean, that's what the Aztecs would say when they were wiping out, you know, neighboring native tribes with sacrifice.
01:57:04.000I mean, you're not making the claim, though, as some do, that all evil and all racism emanates out of one place, are you?
01:57:12.000Well, what I would say is that this tribalism that you're talking about is part of human nature.
01:57:17.000Now, I'm a Christian, so I'm supposed to be unnatural.
01:57:20.000I mean, that's what a Christian is in the sense that, for example... But you're saying out of the three major faiths that spring out of Abraham, you're saying the one that has the new text, the Zohar and the rest of it, the Talmud, that has codified these ideas, you're saying it comes from the Judaics.
01:57:38.000Well, of course, I don't believe that Judaism springs from Abraham.
01:58:43.000They see themselves as Jacob, we are Esau, and so we're doing this... And then that's what got picked up with the transatlantic slave trade.
01:58:52.000Well, that's part of coming from the Midrash and from the Guide of the Perplexed of Rabbi Moses Mammamides.
01:58:58.000The anti-black teaching is in those two documents, although you've got to get the uncensored version of the Guide of the Perplexed, as translated by Shlomo Pines.
01:59:07.000If you get any other version, usually the racial material has been excised.
02:00:28.000Yeah, the website is www.revisionisthistory.org, and yes, when I was translating Halakha Hibiyot, Ishi Esav, Sona Eliakov, I actually transposed it incorrectly.
02:00:43.000The Judaics regard themselves, of course, as Jacob, and we are Esau, and they see this as a racial divide that can never be breached, and that's why they have this sense of immunity and entitlement that they're never wrong, they never have to apologize, they never commit war crimes, and any accusations along those lines are being fielded by latter-day Esaus against themselves as Jacob.
02:01:06.000So that's kind of a codifying, a psychopathic outlook.
02:01:12.000It's a religion which has the symptoms of psychopathology because they have delusions of grandeur as being the superior master race on Earth, and they're also paranoid in that they have this incipient fear of opposition.
02:01:28.000And those are two symptoms, of course, of insanity.
02:01:32.000But it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, because it's an intelligent, you know, group that is getting a lot of power, and so there's going to be competition, eh?
02:01:40.000And there is also going to be people fighting.
02:01:45.000I usually append the word Zionism with war.
02:01:48.000It's war Zionism, and it's war to the hilt.
02:01:51.000And of course you see that on the West Bank with these settlers and their Talmudic philosophy of annihilating Amalek, which is what they refer to the Palestinians as Amalek, and of course in the Old Testament Amalek was a people who were supposed to be exterminated, so they're actually calling for the extermination of the Palestinians but once again that's not Alex on an Old Testament basis because as you know in the Old Testament God says he did do away with Amalek and he said I will blot out its memory forever.
02:02:23.000But see how do you deal with that as a Christian because you've got the Old Testament which Christians accept and saying yeah go ahead and kill everybody when you take over this land kill them and their animals but then modern oh it's Talmudic it's evil it's bad when they want to wipe everybody out.
02:02:39.000I do just want to say, however, that the modern use of Amalek shows the Talmudic nullification of Scripture, because God keeps His promises, and He said, I would blot out the memory of Amalek.
02:02:51.000True Christians today don't go around calling anybody Amalek, but the Talmudists do, and so they're actually contradicting the Old Testament.
02:03:00.000Also, God ended Amalek with an announcement.
02:03:04.000Well, he ended it through his own power, and you challenge me with the idea of God taking out these nations in the Old Testament.
02:03:14.000Invariably, when a nation was destroyed in the Old Testament, it was a nation that was practicing sexual sin under occult auspices, and that will destroy us, it will destroy... Yeah, Moloch, Moloch, Moloch, burning babies to him.
02:03:31.000We're not talking about any innocent nation of people that God simply picked on because his chosen people were coming along.
02:03:38.000Because if you really read the Old Testament, it's an indictment against the Israelites.
02:03:44.000And the great prophets who Jesus said from Abel to Zechariah were killed, they were killed for criticizing Israel and telling them that they were falling short.
02:03:55.000Just like today, if we try to say the same things, we become under attack.
02:03:59.000And another indicator, Alex, that the religion of Judaism is not an Old Testament religion.
02:04:06.000We were talking earlier about how they disparage Noah.
02:04:09.000They also disparage the prophet Isaiah.
02:04:12.000Now, how can you do that and be an Old Testament religion?
02:04:14.000This comes out in my book that I'll be finishing up soon called Judaism Discovered.
02:04:19.000The prophet Isaiah, as you know, criticized Israel.
02:04:24.000And so the Talmud says of Isaiah that he had unclean lips.
02:04:29.000And they say that Isaiah was killed and he got what he deserved.
02:04:33.000In fact, the Talmudic description of his death is that he was sawed with a saw that went right across his mouth to punish him for saying these terrible things about the Jews.
02:04:44.000Now, no biblical religion would ever side with the killers of Isaiah, but that's what Jesus identified them as.
02:04:52.000He said, you've been the killers of the prophets.
02:04:54.000And you've been the killers of the prophets historically, this ideology and this spirit that you embody.
02:05:00.000And that's what we're confronting in the Israeli state, and we're confronting among Orthodox Judaism today in the United States, where George Bush on April 15th, as all of his predecessors since Jimmy Carter did on Education Day USA, met with the Chabad Lubavitchers in the White House.
02:05:20.000He dedicated this nation to the phony Talmudic Noahide laws.
02:05:24.000Under the rulership of their dead messiah, Menachem Mendel Schneerson, that's been going on since Jimmy Carter, the conservative Ronald Reagan, both Bushes... Let me ask you, what do you think Carter's doing now, going over and saying it's apartheid and genocide and wrong and being barred from entry to Israel and things like that?
02:05:46.000Well, I'd have to preface my remarks on Jimmy Carter by saying that I was very, very angry at that man at one time, particularly when he instituted the cooperation with Castro for the disastrous Marielle Boatlift.
02:05:59.000I don't know if he has ever really done penance for that because he unleashed from Castro's insane asylums and prisons The dregs of that island nation, they came over here, they raped, they murdered, and they plundered, and that is on Jimmy Carter's record.
02:06:14.000Now, all I can do is surmise, Alex, that he has had a change of heart, that he's one of the very rare people who has been at the top that knows he was implicated in sin and wrong and evil, and in his own way, he's trying to make up for that, and I think he's doing that.
02:06:31.000In his trips to the Middle East, I think he's doing good work.
02:06:34.000His book on the apartheid system over there is wonderful.
02:06:51.000Well, that's why the globalists a lot of times kill older globalists, because they do.
02:07:02.000Some people turn back, you know, kind of on the cross there at the last minute next to Christ.
02:07:07.000But expanding on that, and I do think he's doing it for good reasons, just from, you know, what I pick up, you know, his body language, listening to it, analyzing it.
02:07:15.000And it's not a hateful thing he's doing, he's doing it in a peaceable way.
02:07:20.000Again, everything you describe about Judaism, again, I see those similar excuses, those similar claims manifested in other cultures.
02:07:28.000And this is obviously a dominant culture.
02:07:30.000I'm just wanting to add that, again, humans rationalize, come up with this same stuff across the board.
02:07:37.000Oh yeah, but see, we're all free to challenge all those people.
02:07:40.000We're free to challenge Reverend Wright when he makes these statements.
02:07:46.000We're free to challenge the Chinese on Tibet, but as soon as we apply the same criterion to the Israelis and want to treat them equally as all other human beings who have both shortcomings and a good side and a bad side, Suddenly, we become Esau, they're Jacob, and it's Halakha, Hebe, Yodesh, Yeisav, Sanai, Lel, Yaakov.
02:08:08.000And that's a special situation that we're dealing with whenever we enter into the territory of these rabbis.
02:08:15.000Well, I think the source... Now, are you saying in all rabbinical sects you basically get the same thing?
02:08:21.000Because I know in certain neighborhoods in New York or in the Middle East, the new film about Bin Laden, By Spurlock.
02:08:31.000He's just in Israel and these rabbis start beating him up, calling him filth.
02:08:35.000You know, he's not allowed in the neighborhood.
02:08:36.000But then other rabbis run up and get him and say, no, no, that's a crazy group of people.
02:08:40.000I mean, you know, like you have the one group of rabbis saying Israel shouldn't exist, which has got hundreds of thousands of people, Nutter Cardi and a few other groups.
02:08:47.000And then you've got other, I mean, there's also, from what I've seen, a few different brands of Zionism.
02:08:53.000I mean, you have the big dominant one, but then there's also some other ones.
02:08:59.000I'm talking mainly about Orthodox Judaism, because that, of course, was all the Judaism that existed on Earth until the Mescala, that's to say, the Enlightenment, which coincides with the liberal Enlightenment in Europe at its height in the late 18th century.
02:09:15.000And prior to that, from the founding of Judaism, after the traditions of men, the oral traditions of men, were committed to writing in the Mishnah, and then later in the Gemara, in the first, second, third Four centuries A.D., all you had was Orthodox Judaism, and then two branches, actually three, Reconstructionism, which is extremely liberal and almost not a factor here.
02:09:38.000But two main branches broke off, and that's the Reform branch, based on the Mascala, or the Enlightenment, and the Conservative branch, which tried to take a middle road between the two.
02:09:49.000And what that really means is, Alex, the majority of Judaics in America who are religious, and who are following judaism are reformed judaics and a lot of them never seen the call that in their life but see that's what i'm saying every jew i know is a friendly nice person and most of them don't even like the war and they just feel persecuted as the news tells them they are and for what their leaders do they are getting some persecution because they individually haven't done anything and then see that's my larger picture i mean in your massive study of this
02:10:16.000you're probably one of the former scholars who honestly looks at it not from a bigoted view before my you're just a cold scientific perspective What's the power structure, you know, and the pyramidal structure?
02:10:25.000I mean, what percentage of the elite of the Judaics really know what's going on?
02:10:29.000And then, you know, what are the substratus?
02:10:33.000Well, see, one of the doors into Judaism for Gentiles I mentioned was the Noahide Laws and Holocaustianity.
02:10:39.000I was about to say, the fake Christian Zionists now seem to be one of the most dominant, virulent, vicious groups now.
02:10:46.000Yeah, much to the scandalization of the Gospel, because a whole generation of young people are now turned off to the Bible and Jesus Christ because they associate it with these bloodthirsty warmongers.
02:10:56.000But to get back to your question, the access route for these reformed Judaics who are sort of just cultural Judaics and they... Tell you what, stay there!
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02:11:29.000Okay, Mr. Hoffman, please continue with the power structure.
02:11:32.000Yeah, so the door, Alex, for these sort of agnostic, liberal, Judaic types that you say that you're familiar with, the door into the Talmud for them is through Zionism.
02:11:43.000Because Zionism is actually the Talmud in action, even though the Israeli state was founded by Communists and Secularists.
02:11:50.000So it's the modern political manifestation and the door for the Secularists to enter back in.
02:11:57.000Well, you have to use Moses Hess, and this will be in my book, and for those who subscribe to my newsletter, Revisionist History, they're already familiar with him because He is the person who took inside himself both the Talmud, Zionism, and Communism.
02:12:13.000Karl Marx called him my Communist Rabbi.
02:12:16.000He was also the spiritual founder of Zionism before Herzl, and he was actually loyal to the Talmud.
02:12:23.000He's an incredible personality, very important for people to study, to understand.
02:12:28.000He lived in the 1800s to understand how the 20th century came about and these evils were imposed on us.
02:12:36.000Because a listener can say, oh my gosh, Hoffman's trying to say that the road to the Talmud is through Zionism, but so many Israelis are secularists, they don't want to have anything to do with the Talmud.
02:12:50.000It's a generalization, and there's some distortion there, because the Talmud, as we've been talking about from the outset, is inherently, ipso facto, prima facie racist.
02:13:08.000See, I want to be clear, that's why this system is so perfectly designed to take over other political systems, because it takes from Egypt, it takes from Rome, it takes from Babylon, it takes from the Old Temple, it takes all of those intrigues, and then it takes the crusade clashes, and all of this, and then how to control your subgroup that thinks you're taking care of them, how to stage events, how to do all of this,
02:13:36.000It's a tiny ruling cabal that does study human behavior and activity, ruling over these people.
02:13:41.000Now, would you say that the political Zionists are in control now, or are some of these rabbis still in control?
02:13:49.000Well, I would say the main political rabbinic power is associated with the Chabad Lubavitch, because they are the ones who have been more or less delegated to go out into the world, to not be so much the literary recluses and bookworms To go out there and do missionary evangelism with the Judaics who have lapsed in their religion, and also to act as the political point men with the various leaders of the United States Congress.
02:14:16.000Oh, you ought to hear them on the Christian radio shows.
02:14:18.000This is the craziest stuff I've ever heard.
02:14:21.000Well, and I'd be happy to debate an Orthodox rabbi, if you can arrange it, or one of these other Christian programs do.
02:14:29.000I'd be also delighted to take telephone calls today.
02:14:31.000But the Chabad Lubavitchers are probably the most politically endowed, both in the former Soviet Union, the Russian Federation, in the United States, and in Europe.
02:14:41.000Very powerful there, and when we're talking, all these neocons are talking about Islamic fundamentalism and the war on reason, and yet the Chabad Lubavitch and other allied rabbinic groups have tremendous political power.
02:14:54.000They're fanatic, they're fundamentalists, they're against the Enlightenment, they're against freedom.
02:14:59.000They're weaseling their way into Europe and the United States government, and yet, whenever these guys with these myriad, dozens and dozens of books about how the Islamists are making war on our way of life and they're going to abridge our freedom of speech, I've had my freedom of speech and my freedom of press Well, I mean, that's a joke.
02:15:18.000Al-Qaeda attacked us because they hate our freedom, and the government's taking all our freedoms.
02:15:22.000We're going to go back live right now, sir, and I do want to get some into, you know, the Twilight communication, all their, you know, the forms of brainwashing.
02:16:11.000Our guest, with us about 20 minutes into the next hour.
02:16:32.000We're going to end transmission after the overdrive.
02:16:34.000You'll need to go over to Infowars.com, listen to the streams there.
02:16:37.000If you're listening online, you'll be able to hear that extra 20 minutes coming up in about 40.
02:16:42.000Going back to Mr. Hoffman, we've spent an hour on this, where I really like your analysis and what I've read you did eight, ten years ago, five years ago.
02:16:53.000Yes, folks, I've read his stuff for more than a decade.
02:16:56.000I'm not just now discovering all this.
02:16:59.000It's just that people have to be more sophisticated in their approach to all of it.
02:17:03.000I will not feed into the New World Order's operations.
02:17:05.000I will not be part of it, as a lot of you have been.
02:17:07.000And I don't think Mr. Hoffman has it in any way.
02:17:12.000I do want to get into their whole twilight language, you know, all the different things that the globalists are doing, some of the allied crime syndicates, where you think their program's going.
02:17:21.000And then you also said you'd like to take some calls, so we'll do that in overdrive coming up in the next hour, if you can stay with us.
02:17:27.000In fact, I need to ask you, can you stay with us 20 minutes in the next hour?
02:17:39.000You can go ahead and get lined up if you'd like to talk to Mr. Hoffman.
02:17:43.000Now, let's get into, unless you have more you want to add about the new order.
02:17:48.000I just wanted to say www.revisionisthistory.org is our website.
02:17:53.000And I just wanted to finish one tale thought there, Alex, that the roots of Zionist racism are in the Talmud.
02:18:02.000so for people who claim that The secular Israelis and secular Zionism couldn't possibly have a religious motivation if you look around to Bolshevik Russia and you see these circumcised Judaics who are inflicting this Holocaust on the Russian Orthodox Church and on Christians there.
02:18:19.000They weren't doing it out of simply atheistic motives.
02:18:23.000They were doing it out of a religious hate which had been inculcated in them in their youth.
02:18:28.000So you can be a secularist as you grow up, but if you always have this sort of cerebral nostalgia, and you see so many times these hyphenated Judaics, if you notice them, or they'll say, well, I'm a Buddhist Jew, or I'm an atheist Jew.
02:18:40.000Most of us, if we're Christians, or we're Italians, or we're Irish, And we go on to a different world, a different strata.
02:18:50.000We don't continue to maintain our original identification, but they do.
02:18:54.000So here, a lot of them, not all of them, of course.
02:18:57.000So what we have here is we have a nationalistic connection which survives even a transmogrification into a new world of Buddha or Tibet or atheism.
02:19:11.000They still cling to a racial, national identification with the Israeli state and with their people.
02:19:17.000Now there's no doubt, though, that Western Europeans had what they believed was a providence, what they believed was manifest destiny, and that they did use the Torah as an excuse to exterminate the Native Americans.
02:19:34.000So there we see something similar to what the Zionists are doing, or similar to what whites were doing with apartheid, with that.
02:19:40.000So I just want to make the point Well, I don't buy the idea that there was an extermination of the American Indians in New England.
02:19:46.000I think we'd have to take it century by century.
02:19:50.000Certainly, when these Union generals at the end of the war between the states went out there and tried to make the Midwest safe for the railroads and the corporations, yes, there was oppression of the Indians and a lot of lying and a lot of disgusting things going on.
02:20:03.000Well, look, I like Andrew Jackson, but I've also got some Native American in me.
02:20:36.000I'm just being honed and focused and wicked and vicious through the Zionists, but I'm just saying, I want to, again, let us all recognize this in ourselves, that tribes do this to each other.
02:20:47.000Well, that's true, but I think when we're associating Christianity with that and with the Torah, and I want all respect paid to the Torah and to the religion of Jesus Christ, then I don't agree... I'm not attacking that!
02:20:59.000I'm saying it was used in Manifest Destiny, was it not?
02:21:06.000Yeah, Manifest Destiny being different from what the Christians who came to New England were practicing... Oh, well, it was the Christians who freed the slaves!
02:21:41.000Every one of us has to keep A humility about our own selves.
02:21:46.000My whole point is, this is silly, and I know you don't agree with that, to say that Jews are inherently evil.
02:21:52.000That's the point I'm trying to get at here.
02:21:54.000I'm not saying it's not honed and focused and really dangerous and going on.
02:21:57.000I'm saying that this is a tribal manifestation put into a hyper-aggressive package.
02:22:05.000Yes, and so many Judaics, as you pointed out from your own personal experience, are not affiliated with the Talmud, they're not affiliated with Judaism, but like you and I, it's easy to put a flag in their hand, give them a slogan, and sweep them along with the mob, and that's what's happening to them, because certainly as part of my campaign and my ministry, First and foremost is an outreach to the Judaic people to liberate them so that they can be more part of the solution.
02:22:32.000And I'm sure you're familiar with the fact that you get attacked by some of the neo-Nazis that clothe themselves as more reasonable, claiming you're bad because you want to reach out.
02:22:40.000They're saying Jews are inherently evil.
02:22:43.000Yeah, and a lot of those people are almost completely insignificant.
02:22:47.000They had a higher profile in the past when you saw, for example, the Canadian Zionists were funding John Beattie, who was running the Canadian Nazi Party.
02:22:56.000We've caught German intelligence running the Nazi groups, firebombing the poor Turks.
02:23:02.000Then they go, oh, we have to leave your borders open.
02:23:14.000The Aryan Nations in Idaho was one of the greatest FBI listening posts that had ever been established in the United States.
02:23:21.000Randy Weaver's family would be alive today had Randy not gone up to Aryan Nations and the real history of Aryan Nations and how the media kept that alive and has really not come out.
02:23:32.000Maybe someday there will be a book on it.
02:23:39.000That's one problem with not having breaks, is that I can't even get my own stimulant here.
02:23:45.000I can tell you just as a sideline, Alex, that Timothy McVeigh was up here in our neck of the woods, as you probably know, at the Shadow Hotel.
02:23:58.000Well, he was with the Keyhole Boys who were implicated in some of the murders where they were knocking off some of the witnesses of the Oklahoma City bombing.
02:24:06.000Oh yeah, and then you also had the bank robberies going on right out of Elohim City that it turned out, official news, Southern Poverty Law Center was running.
02:24:16.000Aryan Nations, Neo-Nazi Network, all these patsies.
02:24:20.000These buffoons, these child molesters, these gun runners, ex-cons, they were all being funneling into this movement, but at the last minute... Stay there, stay there.
02:24:30.000Recap that now with the full audience.
02:24:32.000We were just talking about how the main Nazi groups, I mean, in the British papers, in the U.S., caught over and over again, not just run, but founded by British intel, German intel, ADL Connections, Southern Property Law Center, German intel, ADL Connections, Southern Property Law Center, it's come out in official FBI documents.
02:25:15.000And then they... Very sophisticated, but also very simple in a way.
02:25:20.000Elaborate on what you were just saying.
02:25:22.000And also keeping, Alex, I'd like to continue that very good point you're making there, also keeping Judaic people who are inside Judaism and who could reveal so much, like some of these Muslims who get out of Islam and they're going around on speaking tours.
02:25:38.000We need to have converted former rabbis who are converted to Christ going around the country telling what they know.
02:25:46.000Well, that's happened before and they get killed pretty fast.
02:25:50.000Well, you know, I'm a positive thinker.
02:25:52.000I believe that God is on our side, and as long as He's on our side, who can be against us?
02:26:01.000So yeah, we were talking about Timothy McVeigh being up here at the Shadows Motel in Spokane, Washington, and he was meeting with the Kehoe Brothers, who were implicated in knocking off some of the witnesses to the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy, and when this information was presented to the federal judge, Uh, at the trial there, uh, he ruled it out of evidence, irrelevant, absolutely, because they really didn't want to reveal the role of what you and I are talking about, or how they use these patsies, and they certainly have patsies on the left as well.
02:26:32.000uh... the violent uh... animal rights crusaders and uh... well let me know what i mean you ever notice you have to be a provocateur you notice how the groups that claim they're exposing zionism they just freak out attack everybody else cause fights claim people have been kidnapped that haven't just run around wildly uh... they've always got criminal backgrounds they're being handled they're being run
02:26:52.000Whereas I'm saying, everybody come together, everybody's human, let's just not be tribal, yeah there's evil mafias, let's, you know, I'm trying to tell listeners, empower yourselves, take action, we can win, we can fight evil.
02:27:04.000Notice the other guys, they never do that, it's a key M.O.
02:27:08.000Right, and I think that the lesson of the New Testament, at least for me anyway, as a believer is, is that you cannot Be in contention with these things using carnal weapons.
02:27:44.000Yeah, they absolutely need this violence.
02:27:46.000They need it in the Arab and Muslim world.
02:27:47.000Unfortunately, the Muslims have a religion which is oriented towards using carnal weapons against their opponents, so it's much easier to manipulate Muslims than it is to manipulate Christians, although we have so few authentic Christians these days that I suppose in some ways it's become just as easy in either culture.
02:28:07.000A lot of these white Anglo, quote, Zionist, I mean, you'll hear them say, nuke all the Arabs, murder everyone, kill all their children, kill anyone who disagrees with the government and our holy jihad against the jihadis.
02:28:20.000And, I mean, they've lost all their soul.
02:28:23.000Don't you idiots know that if the government will nuke Muslims, they'll take your bank account?
02:28:27.000Don't you know they can kill, I mean, the videos, hundreds of them of our troops shooting Iraqi children for fun and shooting dogs and and our citizens don't care about the Iraqi kids, they cry about the dogs, showing how far we've fallen, doesn't the public know that if evil is allowed to be perpetrated against somebody else, it can happen to you?
02:28:44.000I mean, don't they understand how that works?
02:28:46.000Yeah, there's definitely been a process of dehumanization, and as you say, if we're dehumanizing these other people, then we're simply setting ourselves up to be dehumanized as well.
02:28:56.000Think how big these hit teams are that are already here.
02:28:59.000They have hundreds of thousands of troops, and tens of thousands have been involved in massacres, and they just sit there on the side of the road in Baghdad, shooting cars full of women and children falling out dead, laughing!
02:29:10.000I mean, it's not even at a checkpoint!
02:29:13.000They just say, watch this, playing Elvis music and shoot families and laugh!
02:29:18.000And Blackwater, as you know, has been implicated in that.
02:29:20.000And the headline in our North Idaho newspaper was yesterday was that Blackwater may open a chapter in North Idaho because we have a lot of retired policemen, firemen, and military up here.
02:29:31.000And, of course, I take my hat off to all genuine public servants who really have protected us from crime.
02:29:36.000And things like that, but when you have that kind of military mentality where the government is right and they forget what George Washington and Thomas Jefferson argued for and shed their blood for, then you have these mercenary groups coming in, which is basically, as you know, what we're operating in the Middle East is a mercenary army.
02:29:55.000Well that's why day one, a private gets $30,000 a year, a sergeant gets $50,000-$60,000 a year, a colonel gets $1,000,000 a year.
02:30:03.000It's unknown what the generals get, but they fly in hundreds of billions on giant pallets per year and publicly hand it out off record to the troops, but that's meant to corrupt them, that's meant to get them ready for clandestine Black Ops, and now they're not professional hitmen in some cases.
02:30:21.000They're so bloodthirsty that I've seen the reports in major papers, and I've seen video of it, where there'll be a mother walking with a child and up a .50 cal at, you know, 5,000, not 5,000, 500 yards, and they'll place bets on, can I shoot her in the head?
02:30:36.000And her head will explode, and then the child mother falls over with the hand, you know, and then just spraying and shooting and taking puppies and murdering them.
02:31:07.000Yeah, for some reason it's not in my browser.
02:31:09.000Punch it up here on the screen for me, guys.
02:31:11.000Because I want to go through different subjects now, quickly, that you also cover, not just one of the big subjects.
02:31:19.000One of the things that you mentioned there, Alex, with that violence, and the way that it does damage to Jesus Christ and the Gospel, because obviously Satan does not want the Gospel to spread, doesn't want people to be saved, We have so many ministers and even Catholic priests, for that matter, who've become neocons, who are preaching this war doctrine.
02:31:53.000And the only violence that is allowed to a Christian is not actually violence, but taking up of arms.
02:31:59.000Is the police power that the Apostle Paul spoke about, that the ruler bears not the sword in vain to protect our borders, to protect our women from rape, to punish kidnappers.
02:32:09.000But we're not allowed, as we've done throughout history, as these secret agents have talked us into, where one Christian nation fights another Christian nation, and the minister gets up in one pulpit and says, God's on our side.
02:32:22.000The other minister says, He's on their side.
02:32:24.000You had Catholic priests holding masses for the French army.
02:32:28.000Opposed to Spanish priests holding masses for their army.
02:32:31.000This is all a scandalization of the gospel and it diminishes the stature of Jesus Christ in the world.
02:32:38.000And I think that's the most satanic aspect of all of these wars that we have Christian ministers and priests and politicians implicated in their actions.
02:32:46.000Again, anything is going to be used throughout history, it always is.
02:32:49.000Okay, now, I want to get into the regime of Queen Elizabeth, the first ideological template for the Masonic Imperium and the intelligence agencies of the West, and how that ties into Twilight language, the sub-command-and-control argot of the cryptocracy The Alchemical Processing of Humanity via Psychodrama Embedded in Ritual Crimes, which we just saw on a high satanic holy day with the murder of Gene Palfrey yesterday.
02:33:16.000Let's go through that before I go to calls.
02:33:26.000Yeah, well with Queen Elizabeth, we briefly touched on her regime last time, and whenever, rule of thumb is whenever you're looking for this occult technology, you want to begin with the intelligence agencies, because that's typically where they're harbored.
02:33:40.000And last time I was on your program, Alex, we talked about Dr. John Dee, astrologer royal to Queen Elizabeth I, and with Edward Kelly, he was involved in necromancy and an occult process called scrying.
02:33:52.000He was also a legitimate mathematician in his own right.
02:33:55.000And his codename, and this will send everybody into orbit when they hear what it was, his codename in the Elizabethan cryptocracy was 007.
02:34:05.000And this is the original paradigm of 007.
02:34:08.000In fact, people who are in the know on historians of intelligence agencies in the West have remarked upon the fact that the best, most efficient, treacherous, and deadliest of all the secret police forces in the West ...have been the British Intelligence, MI5 and MI6, and along with Mossad, of course, and all the rest of them from the CIA and the KGB downward are just pale imitations compared to that.
02:34:35.000Well, why did they have this power and how did they get it?
02:34:40.000In this particular case, John Dee was very much a Kabbalist.
02:34:43.000He was fascinated with the Kabbalah, and last time we talked about how the Renaissance Roman Catholics and the Renaissance Anglicans began to import these Pharisaic ideas into Christendom when the Christians had done such a good job throughout the Middle Ages of keeping these ideas out, and then they entered in in the Renaissance.
02:35:05.000And John Dee was obsessed with the Kabbalah.
02:35:07.000He felt it was the key to the very highest forms of magic and control of populations and nations.
02:35:14.000And so back in the 16th century, he made the very difficult journey Uh, out to Prague, where he saw Rabbi Jude Law.
02:35:24.000I cannot absolutely document that he, per se, met with Jude Law.
02:35:29.000He was in occult bohemia at that time.
02:35:31.000It would be very hard for me to believe that someone as well-connected as he was going into Prague And not meeting with Rabbi Giudolo, but so far we have not gotten the smoking gun on the actual meeting itself, so I can't produce letters or diaries that attest to that.
02:35:49.000However, the key books which would have that information, they're not even extant in the British libraries.
02:35:57.000You can see the copy, and it's been heavily burned.
02:36:00.000Uh, the others have been lost, but one thing we do know, and we need to go by what people practice, that was Jesus' rule of thumb, by their fruits you'll know them, and so what are the fruits of John Dee?
02:36:11.000After he returned from Prague, he was filled with this Kabbalistic gnosis, so if he didn't actually meet with Rabbi Judello, who by the way is associated with the mystical golem, The idea of getting the brainless Goyim, which is what they call the other nations of the world, and getting them to march to your tune, that was actually a philosophical meme or virus of Rabbi Judellot.
02:36:34.000So whether or not Dee actually met with him, he certainly picked up the virus and brought it back to Great Britain, where he invented the concept of British Israel, which was a secret teaching that the people of Europe were actually descended from the Ten Tribes.
02:36:49.000Now, I actually tend to believe that there is something to that, just because John Dee advocated it, or the Kabbalists and the Rabbis were trying to twist or distort it.
02:36:58.000And by the way, that then energizes much of the modern Nazism, and those groups, they all believe that as well.
02:37:06.000Well, I have found that most neo-Nazis are very dismissive of British Israel because they're dismissive of the Old Testament as Adolf Hitler was.
02:37:14.000Adolf Hitler was basically convinced by the occultists that he dealt with in the Thule Society and the roots of the Thule Society that there was this Manichaean split between the Old Testament and the New Testament.
02:37:26.000It's the heresy of Marcion, where you believe that Jesus was a New Testament figure, and that this terrible Yahweh was this demonic figure of the Old Testament.
02:37:35.000The big problem with that is that Jesus quotes the Old Testament numerous times.
02:37:40.000Sure, and he says, I'm here to fulfill the whole of the law.
02:37:45.000Tell me about, from your research, and I've done my own, the type of occultism that Hitler was following.
02:37:52.000Well, one of the key aspects of seeing how Hitler was controlled is when you see that when he had state power over the publications of Germany, there's two key indicators for me.
02:38:05.000One is the very best Talmud that had ever been published in Germany, the Talmud of Lazarus Goldschmidt.
02:38:12.000uh... was published uh... in nazi germany while hitler was the supreme leader uh... they had picked a twelve volume series the last book was published in nineteen thirty six Publication began in 1929, and Hitler did not interdict the publication of the Talmud.
02:38:29.000But even more telling than that is, when Hitler had the focus of the Germanic peoples of the world on him and on his ideology, and he had just a golden opportunity to teach people, what did he hold up for them to learn in terms of advising them about what the inner nature of Zionism uh...
02:38:47.000communism and judaism was the protocols of the learned elders of zion i don't want to get into debating the providence of it but alex at the very least we can say that it is at very much in dispute and whenever i say that i get mail from people and they're trying to prove to me that the protocol is real and i think they look whether it's real or it's not and i personally do not believe that it is authentic but whether it is there is a written in comic book fashion Exactly.
02:39:14.000And there are a couple of key points, because I believe the Russian secret police had a good handle.
02:39:19.000The Russians were probably among the very best students of the rabbis, and they understood rabbinic knowledge.
02:39:26.000To this day, the Russians are very alert to the Talmud.
02:39:30.000Well, they have the oldest Koran, too, and just shipped a golden copy to Saudi Arabia.
02:39:35.000So, yeah, a lot of scholarship going on.
02:39:38.000And so, here Hitler holds up the Protocols, has it reprinted, when one of the greatest German scholars of all time, Johann Andreas Eisenmenger, in 1700, had written a book, Endectes Judentum, and it was about Judaism.
02:39:53.000It was a two-volume master key into Judaism, which Samuel Wertheimer and Oppenheimer, the financiers of the Holy Roman Empire at that time, had that book suppressed.
02:40:06.000And, uh, Eisenmenger had studied with rabbis for 20 years before he wrote the book.
02:40:11.000And Hitler could have commissioned a republication of the book.
02:40:15.000And there's still more details in that.
02:40:18.000Most Germans are not interested in it.
02:40:19.000I haven't been able to get Germans very interested in it.
02:40:22.000Our publishing company came out with an English version of it.
02:40:25.000You can find it at Amazon.com under Traditions of the Jews by Eisenmenger, but it's a one-volume abridgment by a Huguenot minister named Stellan in the 18th century.
02:40:35.000It's not the complete book, but it's the best that we could do.
02:40:38.000But that's really the master key to Judaism.
02:40:41.000He reprints the protocols and ignores Eisenmenger.
02:40:45.000Of course, Eisenmenger was a pious Lutheran scholar.
02:40:49.000There was nothing racist about him, nothing that you or I would object to.
02:40:52.000It would have been a Benefaction to humanity of the reprint of that book and he didn't do it.
02:40:58.000It's just one of a number of factors that you can see in Hitler's outlook And his attitude of the extirpation and extrusion of the Judaics from Europe, which has been... I mean, he's really the original $6 million man for the state of Israel.
02:41:14.000If it wasn't for him, the Israeli state would have never come into being.
02:41:17.000It was as a result of sympathy after World War II.
02:41:24.000But then I get people telling me Hitler wasn't the occult, he was a nice guy.
02:41:28.000I mean, you can just look at the guy, but then all the speeches I've read, I've listened to old audio recordings and translations, and the things they did, and the people they shook down.
02:41:39.000I mean, just all of it to say that this is a good guy, it just shows the sickening, delusional nature of so many people.
02:41:46.000Now, we've got the final segment of the main radio show.
02:41:48.000We're going to do about 20 minutes of overdrive.
02:41:50.000I really want to get into Twilight Language, the sub-rosa command-and-control argot of the cryptocracy.
02:41:55.000There is no doubt they're following this.
02:41:57.000There's no doubt they're pulling games and doing all sorts of bizarre things.
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02:42:51.000Was part of the bombing of Serbia, where Christian churches and monasteries were destroyed, supposedly to liberate Kosovo.
02:42:58.000And if something like that had been done by an American president, say, downtown Tel Aviv, as was done to Belgrade, you can be sure that if his wife was then running for president, everywhere he or his wife went around the United States, they would have encountered a crowd of angry Tel Aviv residents who said, look what you did, firebombing our town.
02:43:18.000But we don't see crowds of Serbian Christians... With depleted uranium, they didn't just blow up everything.
02:43:23.000Yeah, but we don't see Serbian Christians following around Mr. and Mrs. Clinton, and I'm not advocating any violence here, but just asking them tough questions, protest, and picket signs.
02:43:33.000There's this incredible apathy on the part of our people, and I believe it's been instilled, and it's instilled in a number of ways.
02:43:57.000And in the movie they live for some reason the director mentioned that the glasses that you can put on to decode this subliminal twilight language are called the Hoffman lenses.
02:44:08.000And to this day I don't know whether he was a fan of my book or it's just a synchronicity.
02:44:12.000But that movie brings out some of the aspects, but of course it's a lot more technical than that.
02:44:18.000But the idea is that you implant in people certain key words.
02:44:25.000You were talking about the Druids at the start of the program.
02:44:28.000And wicker has to do with the historic method of immolation of a ritual victim.
02:44:33.000You put them inside of a wicker basket, and something like that goes on at the Burning Man Rite in Nevada every year.
02:44:39.000They're out at Black Rock, and I think Black Rock, even that word is symbolic.
02:44:44.000But, um... On the sacrificial stone, and of course most of the people there don't know what it is, but go ahead.
02:44:50.000Yeah, and so, in our subconscious, it's my theory, based on information, for example, from Dr. Carl Gustav Jung, and... Well, there's no doubt that there are these pre-programmed, almost ancestral memories.
02:45:03.000Now, I'm not saying a reincarnation, folks.
02:45:05.000I mean, pre-programmed, like, you know, why are the kids afraid of the dark?
02:45:09.000Why do they want to be near you at night, so a big cat doesn't come in the cave and eat them?
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02:46:22.000Before we go back to Mr. Hoffman with amazing information, and who knows how long he can stay with us.
02:46:26.000I might keep him for another hour if he can do it.
02:46:29.000But I've got to get home and do some other work.
02:48:54.000I'm going to respect Mr. Hoffman's time, and I respect my own time and your time.
02:48:57.000So we're going to come back, try to get more into this whole Masonic system and the whole British angle on it, the Britannic angle, and then Twilight language.
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02:52:24.000I just have always smelled a New World Order operation in and around, just going after certain groups of people, because that actually empowers the New World Order.
02:52:33.000All right, I want to move quickly through Twilight Language, the Sub Rosa command and control argot of the cryptocracy, then we'll go to these loaded phone lines for Michael Hoffman, our guest, who is a former AP writer, best-selling author, researcher, calls himself a revisionist historian.
02:53:02.000They're all going to visit and brief themselves, but go ahead.
02:53:04.000So we're at www.revisionisthistory.org, and the book that I'm finishing up now is Judaism Discovered.
02:53:12.000It should be available, we should be mailing it out in July, but we'll be having a pre-publication sale probably at the beginning of June, so if people stay on our mailing list and stay with us, They can get five or six dollars off the price on that, and that's really everything that I've got I've put into that book.
02:53:30.000I've been writing it for a year, researching it for the last eight years, and that's... And again, this is all the rage, Madonna, everything else, we're just looking at it.
02:53:40.000And so our address is Independent History, PO Box 849, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, 83816, and the website is revisionisthistory.org.
02:53:53.000And we were talking about Twilight Language, and Alex and I were discussing wicker as being one of the command words.
02:54:01.000Earlier in the previous show that I did, I talked about how people are aware that Egypt involves, the ancient Egyptians and pharaonic Egypt involves archaeoastronomy.
02:54:11.000And the mystical toponomy of that area, the ley lines and how the statuary is laid out, but very few people know the emphasis that the Egyptians put on the use of words, words of power, which Freemasonry is also aware of.
02:54:26.000The Freemasons have a symbolic figure they call Dr. Syntax, and they have him lecturing at Freemasons Hall, which is the tip-off That there are these key words and of course every Mason knows that there are phrases and secret passwords.
02:54:41.000Many of those having been part of the regular argot of Americans.
02:54:47.000So ubiquitous was the influence of Freemasonry in the 20th century.
02:54:51.000This goes a little bit deeper than that because we're talking about an attempt to speak to our unconscious or dreaming mind, which is awake when we are asleep.
02:54:59.000But so many people are awake or are asleep even when they're awake.
02:55:03.000And I think probably some of you driving on the highways and freeways will be aware of that with people with their cell phones and all these distractions.
02:55:11.000But the point of a magician, of course, to work his illusion is to draw our attention away from the real trick.
02:55:19.000And so much of what the cryptocracy Alex is involved in today is misdirection.
02:55:24.000And in the meanwhile, they salt our media, our public relations, with these keywords which are intended to instill in us amnesia, Apathy and ebulia.
02:55:38.000And we certainly see all... And let me just throw this in.
02:55:40.000They also do things, and there's many levels and facets, but as George Orwell said, destroying the language, reducing it.
02:55:46.000They'll call someone who murders 55 children with a bomb a extremist, which is a... or a radical, which is a term that doesn't describe a cold-blooded murderer of a piece of filth, you know, a terrorist.
02:56:01.000They will prescribe a word that is not as serious to something serious so they can then use it to people who aren't even quote extreme but now it has the mental idea that oh my god this person's a murdering terrorist that way they can call you an extremist and not get sued when they're really calling you a murdering killer.
02:56:20.000I mean see all those little mind games they play?
02:56:23.000Yeah, language is really the key of it and who controls the language for example how the word The neologism Holocaust was introduced into our vocabulary prior to the late 1960s, early 70s.
02:56:35.000Most people talked about the genocide as Raphael Lemkin coined it, which was also a neologism.
02:56:41.000Or they just referred to the six million.
02:56:43.000And suddenly this term Holocaust, which means burnt offering, was being applied to people who did not die generally by fire, as it's alleged, but they died allegedly by gas.
02:56:53.000But see how that is a sacrifice, which they believe by funding Hitler and letting him do all that, then that's the excuse.
02:57:00.000And, of course, you report that you do believe Hitler did kill a lot of people and Jews, according to what I've read in your writings, which obviously is accurate.
02:57:08.000The number can be debated, which, again, is a burnt offering to set up Israel.
02:57:17.000Yeah, well, twilight language, if you look on the Internet and search around for twilight language, you're either going to bump into my research or you're going to bump into a technical term that's used in Buddhist and Tantric and Hindu manuscripts to talk about the concealment of texts which are not allowed for initiates to access.
02:57:38.000But twilight language as used in that Buddhist-Hindu context does not really involve manipulation of the unconscious or dreaming mind.
02:57:46.000It's a little bit there in Tantra, but mostly it's a technical term for how texts are concealed, which is of interest to me in my study of Judaism, because one of the theses that I bring out in my new book is that even some of the texts in the Talmud were deliberately planted there in case Gentiles penetrated through The Aramaic began to understand and got access to the text, but we'll leave that for another time or for when my book is published.
02:58:12.000But in this peculiar case of Twilight Language in the West, Alex...
02:58:16.000That's the manipulation of archetypes, and I want to give you an example because I think that's the best way for people to understand it.
02:58:44.000And so, as we were talking when we were on the national radio there, we were talking about how wicker is related to the ancient pre-Christian northern European means of immolation for ritual sacrifice, which was to put someone into a large anthropomorphic, that is to say, man-shaped wicker basket and set it on fire.
02:59:06.000And then we were talking about how there were parallels between that and the Burning Man rituals that are done out in the Nevada desert at Black Rock.
02:59:14.000But if we look at Wicker, and again, people can do an internet search or they can do this research on their own to see how much the wicker is associated with the occult and associated with ritual murder.
02:59:25.000And when I was part of the regular establishment media, Uh, one of the stories that I was covering was the son of Sam murders, which I'm sure you'll recall with the son of Sam called David Berkowitz was the past.
02:59:50.000Unfortunately, Maury Terry, the lead investigator on that has muddied the waters in certain significant ways.
02:59:56.000Uh, which is very unfortunate because about 90% of his book is correct and then 10% is misdirection.
03:00:02.000But, uh, the son of Sam called himself Wicked King Wicker for absolutely no reason.
03:00:09.000And the letters to Jimmy Breslin, which were subsequently publicized across the nation, first in the New York Daily News and later in Newsweek and Time and CBS and so forth, Uh, this name, Wicked King Wicker, came to be associated with the most electrifying ritual serial murder series, uh, really of that era.
03:00:32.000If you talk to native New Yorkers, uh, who were living in Manhattan or any one of the five, uh, boroughs at that time, uh, they feared Son of Sam and, uh, they began to associate, subconsciously, Wicker with Son of Sam.
03:00:46.000And I followed this Wicker trail And they use it later on.
03:00:53.000There was a movie set in Chicago and it was on ritual murder and brought in this wicker thing for absolutely no reason at all.
03:01:02.000So it's clear that they want to associate the ancient connotations of wicker with the modern.
03:01:22.000Unofficially, in the shadow side, in the mirror side, we're telling you something else.
03:01:27.000Now, in the old days, when we were a hearty, vigorous, alert people, things like that would get people angry, they would get them curious, they would start investigating, and they'd do something about it.
03:01:40.000There'd be arrests, there'd be prosecutions, you know?
03:01:43.000Nowadays, the way we've been dumbed down, the way our will has been taken from us, all this does is to continue to murder our mind.
03:01:52.000The more we see their control, the more we stand in awe of them.
03:01:59.000As far as I'm concerned, Charles Harrelson is very likely one of the men who assassinated John Fitzgerald Kennedy on November 22nd in Dallas.
03:02:08.000Charles Harrelson is in a federal prison.
03:02:12.000Well, he actually died just a few months ago.
03:02:15.000And of course, that's Woody Harrelson's dad, and he was convicted for shooting a federal judge in San Antonio at 400 yards with a .243 in the neck.
03:02:22.000We know he did hits all over the world.
03:02:24.000And the Dallas Times Herald, now defunct, has famous photos of him being brought out with the tramps.
03:02:30.000He was one of the guys, and it's Charles Harrelson.
03:02:36.000And when I confronted Woody Harrelson with this, because I had seen that he had made the statement that his father was a CIA agent, and I had also heard that when Charles Harrelson was arrested for the murder of the federal judge, he said, you can't touch me, I killed Kennedy.
03:02:52.000And so I was able to arrange a meeting with Woody Harrelson, and he's an environmental activist.
03:03:00.000No, I know Woody, I'm in a movie with him, I've hung out with him.
03:03:03.000Okay, I don't know whether you asked him this question or not.
03:03:06.000No, I was just saying, I was saying yes, I know he's really into the environment.
03:03:10.000Yeah, and so I felt that this was an opportunity given to me by God to encourage Woody to get his father to speak so that any perpetrators who are still alive we can bring to justice because that's where I'm at.
03:03:31.000John Hunt, the son of the famous CIA Section Chief, CIA Black Ops Commander E. Howard Hunt, with all the tapes, we've even got video that we need to go ahead and get on the web.
03:03:39.000So dangerous, but the audio's already out of him saying how he ran the operation to kill Kennedy, but go ahead.
03:03:44.000You see, what's happening is, in other words, I could have just gotten Woody's autograph, and like a lot of your listeners, I'm interested in natural foods, and we could have discussed that, but I threw all that away in order to take the opportunity to confront him about his dad, and all he basically did was start crying, and he got very angry, and that ended the whole interview there.
03:04:06.000It's obviously a very sore subject with him.
03:04:09.000But, well, you have to because, you know, he wants to better the world.
03:04:13.000What could be more betterment of the world than to solve this mystery and bring this horrible octopus that's behind the killing of this president to justice?
03:04:23.000What I feel we should all be involved in.
03:04:25.000Now, maybe my way isn't your way or another individual's way, but each of us have to be involved in a practical application of this.
03:04:34.000And what I see, Alex, is that the conspiracy movement, the study of the occult, it's become a thrill-seeking movement.
03:04:42.000It seems to be that the vast majority of the people involved are no longer actually trying to bring perpetrators to justice.
03:04:49.000They're actually part of an occult roller coaster ride, which continues to dish out various revelations to them, because they're basically almost as dead as Frankenstein monster in the modern world.
03:05:01.000They sit in traffic for two hours, they commute home, they eat dead food when they get home, switch on the boob tube, and the occult, the study of these mysteries, is kind of like an electric shock to Frankenstein's monster.
03:05:17.000Everything's so dead, everything's a lie, so the truth is like a moth to a flame, but you don't want to get burned by it, and the leadership of it is everyone saying, only I have the answer, and you're all scum.
03:05:28.000I always work with everyone, but most people, there's very few quality people at the higher levels.
03:05:32.000I think you're a quality gentleman person, very intelligent.
03:05:35.000Uh, but I've tried to reach a handout to so many who always backstab me or flip out or say I'm covering up something when I have everybody on, basically.
03:05:42.000Uh, but I mean, more than that, it's like a money-making thing.
03:05:45.000And I don't mean just to have an office and operate and make films.
03:05:48.000I mean, they're really, you know, I refuse the magic riot machines and all the crap pyramids and all the magic cures and all these other things.
03:05:56.000You know, like other people, they accept it because they love the power.
03:05:59.000They're also mad, as conspiracy leaders, that I'm the big fish and really hate me.
03:06:04.000I've experienced it, where I could care less about crowds and people, and I wish, at many levels, I never would have done this.
03:06:11.000And I'm a very private person, and I don't need ego, because I already, you know, am self-confident, you know, myself.
03:06:19.000But at the top, it's sick, like everything else.
03:06:22.000In the middle and the bottom, it's great people waking up.
03:06:24.000Some people, it's like entertainment and funny, and ooh, look at this, and that's why they always get into the next thing, the UFO, the chupacabra, the turkey monster, the Loch Ness monster, the aliens, because it is a thrill-seeking voyeurism, and then it strays off the path.
03:06:45.000Yes, and I think that's important to make those distinctions because it can be a kind of infotainment and just a thrill ride and that's very deadening because Alex, the cryptocracy is not static.
03:06:59.000They move us from stage to stage in their human processing.
03:07:07.000We're now moving into the phase of artificial scarcity, cutting off water, cutting off food, tripling, quadrupling, the bureaucrats micromanaging.
03:07:14.000Scarcity is a very important model to impose on people because it's part of spreading fear.
03:07:20.000You know, Charlie Manson talked about the need to spread the fear, and he picked that up from the cryptocracy itself.
03:07:26.000And the only thing we are to be afraid of is God.
03:07:28.000If anyone tries to get you to be afraid of anything else other than God, you're dealing with a pied piper right there.
03:07:35.000They say the beginning of knowledge is the fear of God.
03:07:38.000That means the beginning of fearing the devil is the beginning of ignorance.
03:07:40.000I tell people, be afraid of not living a full life.
03:07:42.000Be afraid of not having honor and courage.
03:08:14.000If they ever really saw a revolution developing, or as soon as they even begin to see an inkling or a harbinger of it, They go to Fox News and they get a fear factor going, you know, we found a bomb on an airplane or, you know, we've shut down the New York subway.
03:08:28.000But they're not invincible, Mr. Hoffman.
03:08:31.000And let me just add, we took the mechanism of government-sponsored terror.
03:08:35.000I saw that 12 years ago as their key nexus point, problem, reaction, solution, as many others inherently did.
03:08:40.000I've been exposing government-sponsored terror since 1997 in film, and I continue to try to take that mechanism and destroy it, break it.
03:08:50.000Have a renaissance, an awakening, an understanding, an enlightenment to problem-reaction-solution, whether it's fake water shortages or fake terror.
03:09:01.000And I also see fear as a healthy thing if it's based in reality.
03:09:25.000And the phase that we're in now, Alex, and I bring this out in my book, Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare, is the making manifest of all that is hidden, the revelation of the method, which I learned from my mentor, James Shelby Downard, who had studied the alchemical manuscripts and came across this term.
03:09:41.000It's very unusual, it's unprecedented in the history of the conspiracy And because what we have previous to this time is concealment.
03:09:51.000Tightly and closely guarded their top secrets and of course they continue to do so today I want to see if you agree with me They have to have revelation of the method because they believe the new age is here where they will exterminate 80 plus percent of the earth They have to have everyone ready to accept it the horrors that are coming They have to have us ready and so it's also a conditioning like you said a deadening to hear all this and then it is kind of Marvel at the beast as he did on the Isle of Patmos as they rush over you kind of
03:10:21.000Seeing it come on like a deer in the headlights.
03:10:24.000Yes, very important point raised in Arthur C. Clarke's novel, Childhood's End, where that point is brought out.
03:10:31.000The old cooking the frog idea of this process of gradualism and then accommodating us to a greater and greater evil.
03:10:39.000But see, the evil is just not exterior, it's also in us, it's in our interior.
03:10:45.000Well, let me ask you, why do you think they're now finally revealing everything?
03:11:11.000If I have time, very quickly, an example.
03:11:14.000If you went next door, and this is all hypothetical, I didn't even know you were married until I heard you refer to your wife.
03:11:21.000This is strictly hypothetical, but if you went next door to your neighbor's house, and they were showing home movies from their trip to Jamaica or Hawaii or whatever, and very briefly, out of the corner of your eye, for one second in the movie, it showed your wife in the embrace of your neighbor.
03:11:39.000And you know, you weren't sure that you saw it.
03:11:41.000Your neighbor's a great guy, your wife's a great woman, so you just sort of subliminally just push it out and say, oh, I must be tired or something.
03:11:47.000And then you watch the whole movie for another five minutes, and you see that image again, only it's not one second, it's two seconds.
03:11:59.000You go home, you start to investigate a little bit, you see evidence that, uh, again, this is hypothetical, that your wife was committing adultery.
03:12:16.000Or do you willfully double-think and crime-stop and decide to ignore it?
03:12:21.000Now you have to go along with her having orgies in front of you and denying it, which is why they show torture on TV, and why CBS on purpose showed lower levels of the torture, was to get people to then say, oh, it's no big deal, and now you've accepted the rape of children.
03:12:40.000Your journey towards the dark side is now complete.
03:12:44.000The movie Videodrome showed that people were going to be getting doses of sadomasochistic television and that those doses were going to create a change in their brain and in their mind.
03:13:13.000I can see the Longshoremen on the West Coast yesterday.
03:13:16.000The union there, not from the union heads, but from the grassroots.
03:13:20.000Stopped all loading of boats to protest the Iraq War.
03:13:24.000If we could have that across the United States... That's what they're worried about is spontaneous, and you know, this archetypal Sixth Sense thing works both ways.
03:13:34.000I think that, you know, we can say they're letting it, you know, we're letting them bring it out.
03:13:39.000I think a lot of the reason they're bringing it out now, and I think they rationalize, they're delusional too, they are letting a lot of this come out now because they can't stop it anyways.
03:13:47.000I mean, I think they knew the net would bring some of it out, but not this bad.
03:13:50.000I mean, now they're wanting to clamp down on it.
03:13:52.000I don't think they're God and all-powerful.
03:13:53.000I think they're going to get their butt kicked.
03:13:55.000Oh, certainly they want to control the information, and they reveal it in increments.
03:15:43.000Well, that's right, and also we have to realize that it's happening on the Internet.
03:15:46.000I mean, the Internet is a great source of alternative information up to a point.
03:15:50.000I still encourage people to get a classical education and to read part of a book every day besides their regular Bible reading, but there's nothing like confronting a text in the quiet of your home for the contemplation, meditation, and The edification of your mind.
03:16:06.000I'm still a 19th century print reactionary when it comes to the utility of the printed word.
03:16:12.000I'm rereading Cooper's Last of the Mohicans.
03:16:15.000That's really hard to put down at 2am.
03:16:19.000And so one of the things I want to warn people about the internet is if you've got any kids in the house, any teenagers, anybody younger than that, Uh, the pornography is free access, and if you don't have a super strong filter on there, and the software is available, and somebody said, well, what if my kid is a hacker and he hacks into it?
03:16:36.000Well, then I guess you'll have to get rid of the internet.
03:16:38.000Well, see, there's any rationalization to not even do basic controls.
03:16:42.000Well, I mean, I don't, I mean, I let my children play a few games on the computer, like drawing games and things, but I just don't let them on it unless I'm there.
03:16:49.000Right, because if you don't have the filter on there, they're going to lose their innocence in about 90 seconds.
03:16:55.000They're going to see the rawest, most hardcore pornography.
03:16:58.000And by the way, people think, you know, the devil's advertised as a hot woman in red with horns, you know, the neck of devil archetypal rockabilly image, and it's so much fun and cool.
03:17:08.000Really, as you lose your innocence, you lose the delicate perception of the walls of reality.
03:17:13.000And so innocence is actually more advanced.
03:17:18.000As you become more worldly, it's actually like your feelers have been seared and burned off.
03:17:23.000I mean, I feel like I've gone through hell and back, and lost a lot of my humanity just plumbing, you know, studying the New World Order.
03:17:31.000Yes, it's a special apostolate, and you have to have a special grace from God to do it, because people like you and I who are involved in this area of study have to be very careful that we maintain our own mental equilibrium and our spiritual connection.
03:17:44.000I have to be honest, all the time I just feel myself becoming evil.
03:17:47.000But I think that it's important that your listeners know that there's a point where they've received all the information they need to have and they need to begin to organize as those longshoremen did.
03:17:59.000And you notice, Alex, how little media play That wonderful, spontaneous, grassroots protest out there.
03:18:08.000But they don't want us to know, because the next thing you know, the Association of Retired Old Ladies will be taking their cars to the gas station, parking them, and walking away.
03:18:18.000I mean, that's the kind of message where Bush and these other Satanists, these skull-and-bones-ers, really thrive, is when we give them our consent through our silence.
03:18:28.000And again, it has to be a proper form of protest.
03:18:32.000It has to be something that is not carnal but spiritual.
03:18:35.000Okay, listen, I'm going to rampage through a bunch of calls.
03:18:37.000We've had you here with us for two hours, ten minutes, and I don't want to abuse too much more of your time, and I've got about ten calls for you.
03:18:45.000But in closing, for my questions, Bush, I think they put that doddering crazy man in there just to destroy the image of the presidency, to make America look bad worldwide while we do the globalist dirty work.
03:19:07.000It seems obvious to me, but spiritual blindness is one of the first things that people get infected with when they have an insufficient love for the truth, and God is the one who sends it to them, the blindness.
03:19:20.000He hates it when we deliberately push away the truth and don't love it.
03:19:24.000And there's quite an obligation when you love the truth.
03:19:27.000Those who are truth lovers understand that you may not turn out to be the wealthiest or...
03:19:32.000The most popular person, but you're doing what God put you on this earth to do, and when you refuse that, then you get saddled with Bush.
03:19:39.000Bush is the president that we deserve based on the degenerated state of the American people today.
03:19:45.000The rehabilitation of this country starts with the spiritual renewal of each one of us, that each one of us pledges We will never steal anything again in our lives, not even a penny.
03:19:55.000If somebody calls us up at home and we don't want to talk to them, we're going to have to tell our children, hey kids, tell them I can't talk right now.
03:20:01.000We're not even going to lie at that level.
03:20:04.000And when we build ourselves up from that to the longshoremen on the west coast that refuse to load those ships because they're tired, Of this murder and this genocide in the name of the American people on up.
03:20:16.000Then we've got a movement, but we have to move beyond simply infotainment and simply gathering all of this thrilling information because that can inculcate morbidity in us and that in itself is a form of passivity that the cryptocracy can use.
03:20:31.000I agree with you to a certain extent, for those that are doing nothing but getting into his infotainment.
03:20:37.000But I think most people, it's an explosive growth and awakening, and I have a more positive view overall.
03:20:43.000We need to take action with the knowledge we have.
03:21:53.000Mr. Hoffman, how do you feel about the correlation of the Book of Enoch, Genesis Chapter 5, the Epic of Gilgamesh, and the story with Noah, and the Sumerian tablets?
03:22:08.000Well, there's an attempt, and I don't want to stigmatize it as necessarily New Age, but certainly out of the Da Vinci Code genre of books.
03:22:19.000To attack the credibility of the Bible and bring new texts.
03:22:22.000And also to associate it with the eternal pagan psychodrama.
03:22:25.000and if there's one thing the Old Testament is not, and what makes it unique is it stands apart and separate from that eternal pagan psychodrama, you can see all the hallmarks of that paganism in Judaism, where, for example, they believe in reincarnation, and true Israelites, true Christians do not.
03:22:41.000They believe in magic and superstition, true Israelites and true Christians do not.
03:22:46.000As far as the Epic of Gilgamesh goes, you can see parallels between Gilgamesh, you can see certain parallels because, for example, the deluge, The deluge exists in many cultures because they're witnesses to a fact that actually happened.
03:23:01.000But it doesn't mean that the Bible grows out of that type of paganism.
03:23:07.000I'm not an Old Testament scholar here.
03:23:08.000My specialty is Judaism, Talmud, Kabbalah, and secret societies.
03:23:13.000There are probably other people... Okay, let me get a comment from the caller.
03:23:16.000Yeah, we've got to move on or we'll be here all day.
03:23:55.000Yeah, we don't even, that's right, we've sunk beneath them, and so we can see parallels with the people, these depraved people in Genesis, we can see those parallels today in the modern world.
03:24:06.000Yeah, it looks like genetic engineering to me from what it says.
03:24:09.000Okay, let's go ahead and talk to Eric and Philly, you're on the air, sorry about the phone problem.
03:24:22.000Luciferians have been around for thousands of years, correct?
03:24:28.000Well, I wouldn't necessarily use the word Lucifer, but because that means light-bearer, and you can get him, but I would say that Satanists have been, yes, and they use the name Lucifer sometimes, yes.
03:24:38.000Well, Lucifer, I mean, like, you see a lot of, like, things have to do with light, like the Statue of Liberty's torch, and... Yeah, that's a man in drag.
03:25:38.000But, yeah, Dylan Avery... By the way, I'm looking at Jason Burma's out the window.
03:25:44.000He's out there making a film that a large portion of it is about that right now.
03:25:48.000Why don't you ask him what he has to say about it?
03:25:52.000uh... well i mean i'm glad you know i'd really like that because like i said i like what he's out there and in the philip look i appreciate your call you see i'm here with michael dot on about as i said text mars on i had another guest on earlier this week talking about this i've always had guest on talking about this but but but once the sacrament That Alex Jones is bad and doesn't talk about these issues is set.
03:26:16.000People can't ever go back and say that they were wrong, that I'm not a Likudnik or something, okay?
03:26:24.000Yeah, it's part of the morbidity, Alex, of these people.
03:26:32.000They need to get out of their house, away from their computer, read a book, say some prayers, and get out into the real world.
03:26:39.000I know that I was part of a 9-11 session last summer, and of course I believe that the 9-11 attacks are a hoax.
03:26:48.000But I find that there are these inquisitors or people who have set themselves up as the pulps of the 9-11 conspiracy, and if I deviate 1% from their line of thought, then I'm as bad as Bush or King.
03:27:01.000Well, exactly, and then we all just factionalize.
03:27:04.000And my whole issue here is, you're a sharp guy, Michael Hoffman.
03:27:07.000You know, I didn't do any pre-interview with you.
03:27:09.000I didn't say what you could talk about.
03:28:43.000Yeah, go figure out a boycott, like Mr. Hoffman said.
03:28:46.000But just submit to the guy, show him he has power.
03:28:48.000Why didn't you guys put the Israelis in there?
03:28:50.000Because it's a two-hour and nine-minute movie, Alex.
03:28:53.000We could barely put in the $100,000 wire transfer from the ISI.
03:28:57.000Well, also, let's be honest, it's an area we can't absolutely connect all the dots on, and the scum that says it's the Jews running it all is so horrible and virulent, attacking people that you don't want to be associated with them.
03:29:11.000I mean, Hoffman, are you getting the point we're making here?
03:29:14.000Well, sure, because I ran into it at that 9-11 meeting last summer, and it was a good one, run by Bruce Lichty, a California attorney, and a very fine man in my experience.
03:29:25.000And what I found was it was so absurd that there was a professor from the Berkeley area there, a very knowledgeable man, and he was talking about this heresy hunting that's going on inside the 9-11 movement, which, of course, there's a hidden hand behind it because it can destroy us with all the distrust and And uh, suspicion that's going on.
03:29:45.000But what I found was hilarious was one of the 9-11 activists would not come to the meeting because I was there, because he said that Hoffman doesn't believe that there were homicidal gas chambers in Auschwitz.
03:29:59.000So he's just beyond the pale and I can't meet with him.
03:30:03.000And I thought to myself, but people told me not to go to the meeting because there were 9-11 deniers there and they're beyond the pale.
03:30:12.000If we can't have goodwill for each other, If we can't have freedom of speech and freedom of inquiry and not automatically assume that the other guy is an agent or a spy or evil just because he descends from us, we're not going to make it.
03:30:26.000Yeah, that is the ether in which these people swim.
03:30:30.000Instead of that caller calling in and commending me for having the substantive courage to talk about these issues on air, which could also then restrict the number of people we can reach later to get the main message out, you have to weigh all that.
03:30:41.000Instead of saying, great job, it's no, you have covered up.
03:30:45.000And so now I'm like, God, these people are scum.
03:30:49.000Maybe they're completely wrong about things.
03:30:53.000I mean, I guess I do have a classical education.
03:30:55.000Not that I'm smart, but I've seen how humans have worked before, and so I tend to know the patterns.
03:31:00.000And I don't think a lot of these people really have lived that much.
03:31:02.000I mean, maybe I'm not saying I'm different, but I just don't understand it.
03:31:07.000I mean, there's no discernment either.
03:31:12.000Well, a lot of these people are crippled in mind, body, and soul.
03:31:17.000They use this movement for whatever their own psychological hang-ups and problems are.
03:31:22.000You know, when you go to a left-wing meeting, when you meet with Norman Finkelstein and he's a An independent Judaic, and I disagree with some of his things, but I admire his courage greatly.
03:31:34.000And boy, when he talks about the Middle East or Palestine, he gave a speech recently at MIT in Massachusetts that I saw.
03:31:40.000A lot of the Arab people were there disagreed with him.
03:31:47.000He spoke for about an hour, and he said, you know, I'm going to take questions now.
03:31:52.000And since you all sat respectfully and heard me, I'm now going to give you the opportunity to ask me a question, and I want the first questions to go to those who disagree with me the strongest.
03:32:18.000I see disagreeers go to the head of the line.
03:32:20.000But my whole point is, instead of it being about this process of fighting with each other, can't we just move on and have our topics be about info?
03:32:27.000See, I think half our movement, you're worried about morbidity and doing nothing.
03:32:31.000More of it is, it's not that so much as it is ninnying and fighting about who's got all the correct answers instead of doing core research.
03:32:40.000I mean, my gosh, if you listen to my show for a week, it's just so many views, ideas, but a general picture comes in at so many angles, and it increases your thought.
03:32:49.000That's why we make so much news, on the internet, is because we interview everybody, and that's what it's about.
03:32:56.000But you will never be forgiven, Burmese.
03:32:58.000I want everybody to know you're a scum, and you've been covering up.
03:33:03.000And how dare you make this film about Israeli involvement 9-11?
03:33:09.000And you'll get attacked by the ADL and by the Aryan Nation.
03:33:12.000Absolutely, and I just want to let everybody out there, not only are we going to cover the dancing Israelis, we're going to cover the ones that were caught at the George Washington Bridge.
03:33:20.000We're going to cover Amdocs, we're going to cover Converse, we're going to show how this is part of an international spy ring.
03:33:26.000Sabel Edmonds, when she told her story to the Times Online, she discussed, hey, there were Turkish moles, there was Israeli moles, and there was a Pakistani operation going through too.
03:33:36.000And Mahmoud Ahmed was the one that headed that up.
03:33:38.000See, there's different operational arms in 9-11.
03:33:40.000You had the Israelis, who were more on the ground to, you know, tape the event, possibly let off some of the explosives.
03:33:47.000Then you had the Pakistanis, No, no, it's like we're saying three guys robbed the bank.
03:33:55.000And the Turks are probably working hand-in-hand with both the Israelis and the Pakistanis to give coverage to the people inside our own government.
03:34:02.000Yeah, but see, to say that there were different governments involved doesn't give cover to Israel, but people will claim that.
03:34:06.000No, no, it's like we're saying three guys robbed the bank.
03:34:11.000It's like when I say LBJ, because the admirals that were there and the captains and everybody, you know, they told me, we believe LBJ was involved, it was all set up with Israel.
03:34:19.000That makes Israel more guilty and LBJ more guilty.
03:34:24.000You see, again, it's these people, that's why Christian religions break into thousands of pieces, because a new preacher wants to attack the old preacher to go set up his new group and make it about, it's jealousy of this radio show is the main thing.
03:35:22.000That's one component of it, but I think there's a lot of folks that believe that knowledge itself is a palliative, and once you have this knowledge, but what happens is so many people have all these competing theories that folks expose themselves to an alternative, but if they don't have the ability to detect fraud, they end up more confused than even the regular man on the street.
03:35:42.000I'm not saying that you're wrong for having a program where you allow competing points of view.
03:35:47.000I think that that's excellent because, as I said, there's a boycott against our work, and you're one of the few that have afforded us a national platform, and I'm grateful for that.
03:35:55.000Yeah, but see, there's a boycott against you because you're actually being reasonable and trying to point at facts.
03:36:00.000That's what the establishment doesn't like.
03:36:06.000Again, we've just never been afforded the credit that we've always covered this.
03:36:10.000It's just that we have it at a frothing, mindless, peon level, you know, way of doing things, and our job is to get people thinking, and to make no group feel bad, to make no group feel like we hate them, because we don't want to empower those groups by making them feel like they've been persecuted, because then they empower their corrupt masters.
03:36:29.000And also, we want to do some counterintelligence where they come over to us.
03:36:33.000So many times We have had the cryptocracy infiltrate our ranks.
03:36:38.000How about us infiltrating their ranks by getting people of goodwill to understand we don't hate them, we want to lift burdens off their shoulders, and let's all work for the truth together.
03:36:59.000For people out there not aware, make no mistake, there's a multi-million dollar campaign out there to balkanize the truth movement, and Alex, a large chunk of it's been on you, I'm sure you know this.
03:37:14.000When you started getting nuts about the murder, the Mossad murder, torture of Riyad Hamed, I just knew, I said to my friend, I said, he's going to get death threats.
03:37:26.000If you continue to expose Zionism for the wretched ideology, and that's the operative word, it's not a religion, that it is, you're going to start feeling the heat, brother, and I just want you to take precautions.
03:37:38.000You can go online and you can see true Torah Jews against Zionism getting spat on by Zionist apologists and blind followers.
03:37:46.000And Herzl, Theodore Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, talked about how useful anti-Semitism could be.
03:37:53.000He said something to the effect that it is essential that the sufferings of Jews become worse.
03:38:52.000All these groups want to balkanize us and fight over who runs different heads of the Hydra, instead of just going, we've got an evil world government with a bunch of occultists running.
03:39:37.000I only censor people that call for violence, and then report me for the violence they post on my comments.
03:39:43.000And we can make a registration tomorrow, but I tried to let people have First Amendment, and of course the moles come in, and then we kick people off who put links to porn, and they say we're censoring.
03:39:54.000Again, it shouldn't be about me, folks.
03:39:56.000This is the mental illness they've ingrained in us to only be able to talk about We're doing it right now, and then you try to fix it, but the more you talk about them, the worse it gets.
03:40:05.000You notice for two hours with Hoffman, I talked about issues, and now we go to calls, and we can see I'm not attacking you, but that's one reason my show's been successful, is I've always shut this stuff down.
03:40:15.000And I've even shut down defending me, because I don't care.
03:40:23.000Well, I wanted to mention our website, revisionisthistory.org, and I'm not quite I know you're talking about some kind of smog that hits your website and everything, and that's certainly endemic to our movement.
03:40:37.000The previous caller had mentioned the so-called Torah True Judaics, who have received a lot of flak for going over to Iran and participating in the revisionist conference.
03:40:48.000But you have to understand that these are traditional followers of the Talmud and the fact that they do these things does raise the prestige of the Talmud and it doesn't change the nature, the Babylonian nature of the Talmud.
03:40:59.000So we have to be aware and weigh in the balance whether this is a Trojan horse or not.
03:41:05.000Okay, let's go ahead now and talk to Todd in North Carolina.
03:41:48.000Well, basically, his book, Epicenter, it talks about Ezekiel 38 and 39, the war of Gog and Magog, and how Russia and Iran would have this alliance against Israel.
03:42:00.000Oh yeah, I think I've actually heard him.
03:42:02.000That's one of the guys I've heard on the show saying, we're about to have nuclear war, the Messiah is going to come, and he goes around all the Christian churches, just kidding him.
03:42:11.000Yeah, he's on Glenn Beck, and he's been on The Office and everything.
03:42:19.000That's the takeover of the churches and making them believe they're going to make Jesus come by launching nuclear weapons.
03:42:26.000It's a cold-blooded, secular manipulation of the Christians that have been going off of the new Bibles they've printed in the last hundred years that preach all this made-up rapture stuff.
03:42:44.000Yeah, if Rabbi Rush Limbaugh is behind it, and I'm half-kidding when I call him a rabbi, but he certainly behaves like one.
03:42:53.000If Rabbi Rush Limbaugh is behind it, you can be sure that when it comes to the Zionists or the Israelis, that this fellow is not a true Christian convert.
03:43:00.000And I think you summed it up in a nutshell.
03:43:02.000They're always trying to use the apocalypse or apocalyptic theories and pipe dreams.
03:43:07.000In order to identify some enemy of the Zionists as being God's enemy, and also calling the Zionist state Israel, when it's counterfeit Israel, is bankrupt right from the premise.
03:43:20.000Oh man, it's all going to end in nuclear war.
03:43:22.000Let's go ahead and dig in, and all the neocons will be happy, I guess, and all the liberals and everybody else, conservatives too.
03:45:05.000I want his take, then I'll go back to you.
03:45:06.000Well, Alex, to be candid with you, I didn't know much about you until you invited me on the program.
03:45:12.000I knew you had an important program because there were people who were telling me that he's very good on 9-11 and he's very good on this prison planet idea that what they're putting us through.
03:45:22.000Mainly, I'd heard that You had said that what they're putting us through at the airports, they intend to expand from those airports out onto the streets.
03:46:18.000I'd like to ask my supporters to write letters to GCN Network and thank them for For having the Alex Jones program on the air, and I hope that the people who read my books and listen to my tapes will, uh, listen, uh, patronize your advertisers if it's something that they feel is good or useful for them.
03:46:37.000And, uh, I don't know, you know, I'd have to sit down and have a glass of beer with you to find out if we're on the same page on everything, but what I admire is the fact, and what I've gotten from you, and I'm sure you haven't tried to deceive me, if this is the real Alex Jones that I've been dealing with over these last two programs,
03:46:53.000You have a love of the First Amendment, you have a love of freedom of expression, and you have a love of people like me who are... I'm a very marginal person, and I have a small audience, and yet I think that some of the information and research that God has made accessible to me Is extraordinarily important for the survival of our nation.
03:47:45.000Very quickly, the way I see it, first of all, I appreciate what you're doing.
03:47:50.000I generally agree with what you're doing and I certainly don't.
03:47:52.000If I had to do a couple of things, I'd take a slightly different opinion on it, but I don't hold anything against you.
03:47:57.000Well, I change some of my views, not my core views, not my core values, but I change views month to month, year to year.
03:48:03.000I mean, we all grow, we all change, we all have experiences, we all saw the Israelis run that armored vehicle over that woman and laugh about it, American citizen.
03:48:13.000You know, we all saw Bush say if I was a dictator, it would be a heck of a lot easier.
03:49:02.000I have people that I try to trust do the show and fill in and build them up and then they do the most horrible stuff you can imagine years ago.
03:49:10.000I don't want to be the main attack frigate going in at point blank range against the New World Order.
03:49:15.000I don't like to, you know, give them every tool to come back and attack me.
03:49:19.000Well, if they're turning on you, then I'd have to say, where is the Christianity?
03:49:22.000Because Jesus said to love your enemies, to bless them that curse you.
03:49:26.000Oh, a lot of these people openly in the movement don't even profess to be Christian.
03:49:32.000Well, that's unfortunate then, because I think the Christians have to take the leadership, but they have to be authentic Christians and not Christians in name only.
03:49:39.000And I certainly want to testify that I I love the Talmudists, and I ask God to reform them.
03:50:16.000Right, but at the same time, the individual Israeli has got to be aware that they benefit from the colonialism and the oppression of the Arabs, and if you use the Allied World War II formula, That allowed the terrible Holocaust against the German people, the German civilians in all the major cities, and that's justified to this day by all number of ideologues on the right and the left.
03:50:36.000But you also have justification by the colonialism that happened here in the U.S.
03:50:41.000and we talked about that two hours ago.
03:51:05.000I appreciate listening to both of you.
03:51:07.000I've been following Mr, um, Uh, Hoffman's website for quite a while and reading up on it.
03:51:14.000I am a, uh, a, uh, a Christian, but I am what would be concerned a preterist.
03:51:21.000Which is demonized by most institutional sectarian churches.
03:51:26.000Well, I mean, if God's kingdoms come to earth and everybody's happy and there's no more evil in the world or the devil's gone, I mean, in the Christian paradigm, that just is crazy.
03:51:40.000I mean, I'm not mad at you, I'm not saying you're a bad person, I'm not saying you're going to hell, I don't get into these judging games, but the preterist thing has got to be even more ridiculous than the rapture crowd.
03:52:10.000Well, I believe a great deal of prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D., but I believe there are also unfulfilled prophecies, but I think that it becomes a dead end for us if Christians who have good will, there's so few of us in this movement who are united on the big issues, And then we start tearing each other apart because one man is a praetorist and another man is something else.
03:52:32.000I mean, I'm not really privy to this theological minutiae here.
03:52:35.000I read the Bible and I don't really do this theological hair-splitting, which I think is almost a curse on Protestantism, with the factionalism and the subsects.
03:52:47.000And the disunity, it's certainly fine if somebody has a theory about prophecy, but I hope that it will not become something that interferes with salvation.
03:52:58.000I hear you, and I appreciate your call.
03:53:00.000I hear you, and I appreciate your call, Ron.
03:53:03.000You know, I had family, the Ayers family and others, you know, that raised Colonel Travis's son, you know, it's in the movie The Alamo, him dropping his kids off.
03:54:21.000And then they just say I'm a Vatican assassin, but the guy saying it says the Earth is on a string, floating, and the universe orbits it, and that flying saucers that Germans have have magnetic beams on Rosicrucian lines that zap people.
03:54:36.000And they're like, you will interview this great genius!
03:54:39.000And the person's a complete quack nut idiot!
03:54:42.000You know, and I will not be part of it!
03:54:44.000And I'm tired of these dumb inquisitors saying I'm a Catholic New World Order operative, which I have frankly found is a bunch of propaganda out of the Israel First crowd, and these idiots don't even know they're being handled by it!
03:54:58.000I think that so many people, Alex, who call themselves Christians or not, I mean, just the spirit you're describing of ill will and resentment, I mean, the true Christian has a gentle spirit, A spirit of reconciliation.
03:55:10.000A lot of people on the left who would call themselves atheists or who we might deride as liberals.
03:55:29.000Some of the liberals really are nice people.
03:55:30.000I mean, they've been manipulated and conned, but no, I agree.
03:55:33.000And their movement, you know, people get into the left because they hear that it's for love and brotherhood and helping people.
03:55:40.000A lot of people get into the right because they hear it's a way of preserving their coin collection and going to war.
03:55:45.000You know, we have to be careful because the right wing and the left wing are two wings of a predatory, kabbalistic bird.
03:55:51.000In Kabbalism, you have the pillar of mercy and the pillar of severity representing the right and the left, and it's a means of... Well, that's why they say it was Masonic with the two towers.
03:56:02.000In closing, all the numbers, the numerology, the 9-1-1, the number you get when you call the government, 9-1-1 in the occult, all of it.
03:56:12.000Yeah, we did a special issue of our Revisionist History newsletter on the occult aspects of 9-11.
03:56:18.000In fact, Tex Mars borrowed the image that we used there from the tarot card, and you've probably seen it in Texas literature, we were the first to use it.
03:56:28.000And that was of the flaming tower, with the people jumping off the tower, an exact recreation of an alchemical archetype.
03:56:36.000And I wouldn't be able to do justice to our research on that, but if folks go to our website, we have the online store with the revisionist issues there.
03:56:56.000Again, we're going back to Arthur C. Clarke, and it's kind of interesting how you and I have focused on that, because I mentioned it in passing, and you actually brought me back to it.
03:57:13.000Yeah, you may recall that on New Year's Day of 2001, the obelisk from the movie 2001, Space Odyssey, appeared in Seattle, and no one knew where it came from, and then it just mysteriously disappeared.
03:57:30.000Whether it was accidental, coincidental, synchronistic, it was certainly, from the point of view of symbolism, a very timely event to have that at the dawn of 2001, the 21 era, which both John Dee and Arthur C. Clocke forecast that 2001 was going to be a gateway into a completely different era.
03:57:48.000But as you mentioned earlier, Alex, and it's important to emphasize it, These people are not all powerful.
03:58:15.000But it can be a way of making this world a better place for our children, and that's what we need to do.
03:58:20.000And we've seen their fallibility in Vietnam, and we're seeing it in Iraq as well, where they stumbled in there and didn't even have a plan for the occupation.
03:58:29.000Feith and the other neocons were treating the Iraqis The members of the Ba'ath Party as if they were members of the Nazi Party.
03:58:37.000They were practically recreating the occupation orders that were created in 1945.
03:58:43.000Completely irrelevant to the situation in Iraq.
03:58:46.000You've got a lot of dumb people at the top and you also have some brilliant wizard types.
03:58:51.000But certainly God can conquer all of these if we will only allow him to use us as he wants us to be used.
03:58:59.000And I mean, not fight the New World Order because we hate them.
03:59:02.000Fight them because they're evil and they have to be defeated, and we have to protect the good people.
03:59:07.000And their minions, don't hate them because the globalists use our hatred of them to scare them under the dark bosom, under the black wings of the New World Order.
03:59:18.000Well, Michael Hoffman, thank you for spending time with us, and it's been an interesting discussion.
03:59:25.000And to reflect on the different things that you've talked about, I know after five hours and ten minutes I am exhausted, so I'm out of here until this Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m.
03:59:34.000Central Standard Time, and we'll have you back up in the near future, and I appreciate your time and research.