Alex Jones Show - 20080521_Wed

00:00:02.000 Okay, huge new development.

00:00:13.000 Burmess, being from New York, Jason Burmess of Blue's Change fame, down here working with us on a film that he's making called Fabled Enemies.

00:00:24.000 That gets into some of the foreign governments that were involved.

00:00:27.000 Very controversial.

00:00:29.000 Burmess is here with us in studio.

00:00:33.000 And he has listened to most of the hour-long interview with Jesse Ventura this morning.

00:00:38.000 In fact, he would only give Stern 40 minutes, a 40-minute interview.

00:00:41.000 Gave us 50.

00:00:42.000 That was nice of the governor.

00:00:44.000 Uh, and they start attacking him and he goes ahead and brings up insurance fraud with blowing up the buildings.

00:00:50.000 This is huge.

00:00:51.000 This is big.

00:00:51.000 Uh, I wanted to bring it yesterday and I just didn't get around to it.

00:00:55.000 Who does he think did it?

00:00:56.000 Why did they do it?

00:00:57.000 He talked about how he thinks somebody blew it up and how the government's done stuff before he implied it.

00:01:01.000 But, uh...

00:01:03.000 I didn't get to that, but here it is.

00:01:05.000 The more he gets attacked, the more he's going to come out.

00:01:07.000 And then this just gives others the courage to speak out.

00:01:10.000 Burms, before we play this five minute clip, you've heard more than just the five minutes.

00:01:15.000 Tell us exactly what you heard this morning.

00:01:18.000 Sure.

00:01:19.000 Basically, he goes over how the only way that our country would go down is from an internal enemy.

00:01:24.000 And that whole thing.

00:01:25.000 Yeah, it was great.

00:01:27.000 Internal enemies carried out 9-11.

00:01:29.000 Jesse Ventura.

00:01:29.000 We need a headline with that.

00:01:30.000 Another one on... says 9-11 was insurance fraud.

00:01:34.000 Oh my God.

00:01:35.000 Attack right now, man!

00:01:36.000 Get the articles up.

00:01:37.000 Go ahead.

00:01:38.000 So then he, uh, they bring up, well, you're one of those guys that doesn't think that two planes could bring down three buildings, and he brings up building seven quick, but then he also brings up how the World Trade Center Twin Towers weren't making money anymore, and that it was going to cost a billion dollars to take the asbestos out, at least.

00:01:55.000 And then he mentioned the $7 billion insurance scam.

00:01:58.000 He didn't mention Silverstein by name, but he basically said... But why not just blow him up and let the city breathe it?

00:02:03.000 That's how you use each New York child and cop and firefighter as a vacuum to get rid of it.

00:02:08.000 That was cheaper.

00:02:10.000 Demolition was not an option.

00:02:11.000 That's the other thing.

00:02:12.000 They were not going to be allowed to demolish the Twin Trade Center and control demolition.

00:02:16.000 They had to go floor by floor to take out the asbestos.

00:02:18.000 And lo and behold, 9-11 happens and it becomes a non-issue.

00:02:21.000 So he mentioned, you know, this guy made $7 billion.

00:02:24.000 All of a sudden, Howard's like, well, man, I guess I'm going to have to read your book.

00:02:28.000 And he's like, yeah, you really do need to read my book.

00:02:30.000 So he exposed the insurance scam.

00:02:32.000 He talked about how he was a demolition expert.

00:02:34.000 He used the analogy of propane and kerosene.

00:02:37.000 It was just great because you can't attack Jesse Ventura.

00:02:40.000 It's very hard to attack him.

00:02:42.000 They were very friendly to him.

00:02:43.000 I was pretty surprised.

00:02:45.000 Well, the little clip I heard was Robin trying to deny, going, well those buildings had problems, and well they collapsed because of an Easter Bunny.

00:02:53.000 Let's be clear here.

00:02:55.000 NIST has given five reasons it fell, and then they have retracted.

00:02:59.000 Not the fuel tank, not bad construction, not melting steel, not weakening steel.

00:03:04.000 They have now had to come in Not the tower falling, not the North Tower falling into it.

00:03:10.000 Turns out it only had some windows knocked out.

00:03:12.000 Potman Mechanic shows a fake photo.

00:03:14.000 It's even gray.

00:03:15.000 The building side, it's not the red building side, brick red.

00:03:18.000 They show the World Financial Center.

00:03:19.000 They won't even show the right building.

00:03:21.000 I mean, that's the type of scams they engage in.

00:03:23.000 You know, they say NORAD never intercepted anybody in the year before 9-11.

00:03:27.000 Total lie.

00:03:27.000 We have Reuters with the head of it saying 160-something times the year before.

00:03:31.000 I mean, it's just the deception of our enemies.

00:03:35.000 It's like they're now saying we're lying and there weren't Pentagon videos and others confiscated by the FBI.

00:03:41.000 When it's all admitted they won't release those tapes, but it doesn't matter.

00:03:44.000 The public's weak-minded.

00:03:45.000 They just show video and say we're lying.

00:03:47.000 I mean, this is the level of dis- or they bring out black propaganda and that's where you Going back to JFK, folks, he would have cops and FBI and coroners who were going to testify, and they'd be totally normal, 30-40 year careers, totally normal, 25 year careers, and they'd get up on stand and say, I am a space alien, or they'd get up on stand and say, I fingerprint my daughter every day to make sure they haven't, you know, taken her.

00:04:12.000 I'm a fingerprinting expert, and then go...

00:04:14.000 You know, I mean, that's what they do, and so Stern is having black propaganda on.

00:04:19.000 I mean, if I wanted to have them over a barrel, I could.

00:04:21.000 My God, the slander is just the worst stuff they can say is being said.

00:04:26.000 Then they have Ventura on, and I haven't had a chance to hear it all yet.

00:04:29.000 Let's go ahead and play a few minutes of this to analyze enemy propaganda.

00:04:34.000 Here it is.

00:04:35.000 Hey, you're one of those guys who believes, you know, that 9-11, that you don't believe two planes knocked down three buildings, right?

00:04:42.000 Well, I believed it when it happened, and then after I got out of office, my son kept badgering me to pay attention to these things on the internet, and I finally did, and I started studying it, and I started opening my eyes a little, and there's a lot of very difficult questions that have not been answered, and no one seems to want to provide an answer.

00:05:01.000 What's the most difficult question that you see?

00:05:04.000 building could fall into its own footprint five hours later, having not been struck by much of anything.

00:05:10.000 So what do you think happened?

00:05:11.000 One story's height.

00:05:12.000 How did that happen?

00:05:13.000 The 9-11 Commission didn't even address the issue.

00:05:16.000 So what do you think happened?

00:05:17.000 I hate to fear what could have happened, that possibly we did it to ourselves.

00:05:23.000 You're kidding me!

00:05:25.000 Well, Howard, I worked in demolition and was trained by the best guys in the United States Navy, being a frogman, and how could those buildings fall at the rate of gravity?

00:05:36.000 Well, let me ask you something.

00:05:38.000 I don't know much about this, but when jets go right into a building, couldn't there be so much trauma to the area that things can fall?

00:05:47.000 No, because if you study how they built the buildings, those buildings were made to withstand a 707 which is that old plane with the four engines on the wing right well that's as big as what hit it and by my studying they said it was built to where if a plane penetrated it it would be like a pencil going through a screen door but it seems unthinkable to me that our own government I mean I mean nothing's unthinkable don't you talking about power you

00:06:15.000 You're talking about foreign policy changing over this event.

00:06:19.000 You're talking about getting control of the Middle Eastern oil.

00:06:22.000 Do you think Bush is smart enough to pull off something like that?

00:06:26.000 Hit pause for a minute.

00:06:27.000 Hit pause.

00:06:28.000 Back it up.

00:06:30.000 Again, we all have blind spots.

00:06:32.000 And I have had Ventura on.

00:06:33.000 He broke that he's on I Love and Truth are on this show a month and a half ago.

00:06:37.000 And then they said they wanted to come back on.

00:06:38.000 They knew it had a great response and he likes the films and what we do.

00:06:42.000 And so I get him back on and he says, oh man, they're really attacking me.

00:06:45.000 And then the one question, because I was thinking the night before, what do I ask?

00:06:48.000 And I wrote some notes here.

00:06:49.000 The one question was, well, who did it?

00:06:51.000 Why'd they do it?

00:06:51.000 You know, what's the motive?

00:06:53.000 And of course I talked about that with him two years ago in an interview where he said they might have done it.

00:06:57.000 When he first started to talk.

00:06:59.000 That was even before he'd seen Loose Change.

00:07:00.000 I pushed him over the edge.

00:07:02.000 And I gave him some of my films.

00:07:04.000 But I was literally waking up last night mad that I hadn't asked that question.

00:07:07.000 And then thank God he just says it on Stern so we now have it.

00:07:10.000 And then he brought the insurance thing.

00:07:12.000 This is going to go crazy.

00:07:16.000 Our government may have done 9-11, that's the headline.

00:07:19.000 Another headline, insurance fraud.

00:07:21.000 We need multiple articles, attack pattern Delta, tying in the video we got him a few days ago and the audio we've got here with all of it.

00:07:29.000 And then challenging, we need articles, new people are going to be seeing this, that go through it all.

00:07:35.000 And show what Jesse's saying, and show Building 7, and show the designers and builders saying about how it could take two fully loaded jets, not one.

00:07:45.000 Yeah, they said two of those big jumbo jets.

00:07:48.000 So, we need to show all that, we need to show how NIST admits that bombs, they're now looking at bombs for two years, and they keep saying, we'll release it in a month, we'll release it in a month.

00:07:58.000 They'll never release what brought it down, because they scientifically know.

00:08:01.000 Now there have been scientific papers published, prestigious journals that are accredited saying yeah it had to be bombs I mean Burmese what are they gonna do?

00:08:09.000 Well what they're gonna try to do with building seven is go by their pattern where they're not allowed to look at floors below I believe it's either the 11th or the seventh floor at all and we know that's where a lot of the damage on the front side of the building was we also know that the eyewitnesses that were inside the building that were blown up on the eighth floor you know said that there were multiple explosions inside the So what they're going to do is they're going to take that 8th floor and bring it down and never even mention those.

00:08:33.000 And they're going to say something happened on the 9th or 10th floor that caused instability in the building, that probably caused those fuel tanks to go up, and I believe there was also a large power generator there too.

00:08:45.000 I'm sure that's going to fit into play as well.

00:08:48.000 But here we are, Alex, we're almost seven years later.

00:08:50.000 Still no NIST report.

00:08:51.000 And the guy that's heading this NIST report, I think it's Sander something or other, this scientist, he's the guy that went to Popular Mechanics and said 25% or 10 stories of the building was actually scooped out.

00:09:03.000 You can quote that from the article.

00:09:05.000 It's just totally made up.

00:09:06.000 It's just...

00:09:08.000 That's like saying Godzilla ate the building.

00:09:10.000 It just didn't happen.

00:09:11.000 Absolutely, and we have the video to prove it.

00:09:12.000 We literally have the video after at least one of the buildings has collapsed, of the south face of the building.

00:09:17.000 Some of the glass has blown out, but some of the doors are still there.

00:09:19.000 Then they go inside and they literally go through the lobby up into the second floor.

00:09:24.000 In fact, that footage is in Truth Rising, and I think you're going to show some of that in your film.

00:09:28.000 Yep.

00:09:28.000 And there they are, the facade of the building with a few windows broken out, and they show a gray-sided building.

00:09:34.000 The building was brick red.

00:09:36.000 Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, They show the World Financial Center.

00:09:40.000 I mean, these people are incredible.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, and when we asked them, when we did our debate with Popular Mechanics, where they got that photograph from, or why they were able to see photographs that still weren't public, and we hadn't seen them.

00:09:52.000 Oh yeah, they've been saying that.

00:09:52.000 We've been shown secret photos.

00:09:54.000 Yeah, we've been shown photos that no one else is allowed to see.

00:09:56.000 Why?

00:09:57.000 What's the big deal?

00:09:58.000 Why isn't all this stuff public?

00:09:59.000 If they have pictures that we don't have, why not show them to the public?

00:10:02.000 Well, look, I had firefighters, months after it happened, send me disks with hundreds of high-res.

00:10:06.000 Some of those are in the film.

00:10:07.000 We even put some on the web a few years ago.

00:10:09.000 These are giant government cameras, even back then they were huge pixels.

00:10:15.000 10, 20 megapixel, whatever, high quality for seven years ago.

00:10:19.000 And you see it and it's got some windows out.

00:10:23.000 It shows other buildings on fire.

00:10:25.000 You know, some of the smaller ones that got crushed but didn't fall.

00:10:28.000 And in World War II, the Russians coming into Berlin would attack old buildings with giant artillery and aircraft for days and they wouldn't collapse.

00:10:37.000 The facade was still up.

00:10:38.000 I mean, you don't just like have a fuel oil tank go off and then everything symmetrically collapses perfectly.

00:10:44.000 Let's go back to the tape.

00:10:45.000 I think there are people capable of doing it.

00:10:48.000 And I'm not saying that it didn't happen.

00:10:51.000 All I'm saying is that... Take jet fuel, for example.

00:10:55.000 It's kerosene.

00:10:56.000 Kerosene doesn't burn very hot.

00:10:59.000 They're telling us that a kerosene-based fuel melted these steel concrete girders in a giant building so it would simply collapse to the ground.

00:11:09.000 And it collapsed in all powder.

00:11:12.000 Wouldn't it come down in big chunks?

00:11:15.000 The thing is, is the fire caused the columns to weaken and the sagging floors is what caused the building to implode.

00:11:20.000 Well, if that's the case, okay, if that's the case, if you use that analogy, then when you go camping and use a propane stove, which propane burns hotter than kerosene does, if you leave it on for two hours and you put a big can of beans on your grill, shouldn't the grill collapse?

00:11:38.000 See that Fred?

00:11:40.000 It's not that much weight and it's not that much heat.

00:11:45.000 Stay there ladies and gentlemen.

00:11:46.000 Stay there.

00:11:47.000 Now a propane stove is hotter than jet fuel.

00:11:50.000 We'll be right back to conclude with this huge news.

00:11:53.000 The insurance fraud clip is coming up.

00:11:55.000 Stay with us.

00:11:56.000 It is blowing wide open.

00:12:00.000 It is now time to reign in evil and bring them to justice.

00:12:03.000 You leave it on for two hours, and you put a big, a bad much heat.

00:12:06.000 It doesn't matter.

00:12:07.000 Stay there, ladies and gentlemen, stay there.

00:12:11.000 Burma, I wanted to continue while we're, while the radio station, the network's on break.

00:12:16.000 Have a discussion of just other thoughts you've got about this.

00:12:20.000 You're also a fan of Hooters.

00:12:21.000 Stern reaches a huge audience, Alex, and it's more of the dumbed-down public.

00:12:26.000 It's all the masses.

00:12:27.000 It's the lowest common denominator.

00:12:28.000 I've got to admit, I'm a huge fan.

00:12:30.000 I gravitate towards that kind of humor, I guess.

00:12:34.000 You're also a fan of Hooters.

00:12:35.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:12:36.000 I'll be there this weekend to watch UFC.

00:12:38.000 I mean, I'm the everyman.

00:12:39.000 To me, it's like living hell.

00:12:40.000 Got me to go over there.

00:12:42.000 But the thing is, again, this is going to reach some of those everymen.

00:12:45.000 Maybe this reaches, you know, a hundred more cops, a hundred more firemen, you know, a hundred more guys that were down there as first responders that saw that molten metal that day are now ready to come public.

00:12:55.000 You know, this is going to expand the audience.

00:12:56.000 It's not going to be a hundred more.

00:12:58.000 I mean, this guy's got tens of millions.

00:13:00.000 Well, absolutely, but I'm saying, you know, people that were actually there at Ground Zero that do have first-hand eyewitness account information that's valuable.

00:13:07.000 That's the big one.

00:13:08.000 Ventura's courage and the fact that it is coming out on places like Stern.

00:13:12.000 This is going to go wide open.

00:13:13.000 I need Nemo, I need Paul, I need Steve, I need everybody to do stories on every angle of this.

00:13:18.000 And I need the listeners to go completely insane and get it out to everybody.

00:13:21.000 Yeah, and this is the first time it's really been on Stern where someone's given a venue to speak.

00:13:26.000 And he's not constantly attacked or his mic is cut or they're playing the cuckoo clock every time he says something.

00:13:31.000 Notice there was no cuckoo clock today.

00:13:33.000 Well, I mean, I don't appreciate Howard Stern's operation, I don't want to give any names out, letting people on saying the worst things you can say about me, and I'm very lenient and I've got thick skin, but there's some things, I'm just so busy I don't have time to write them a letter or call these bastards up and say, listen, You know, it's one thing you want to say I'm a liar, I'm a kook, I'm bad, but don't you dare say the things that are being said on there about me.

00:13:57.000 That's a total lie, and that's life-wrecking type stuff that's being said.

00:14:03.000 But the scum that does this, not just Stern letting it happen, but the scum that's saying it.

00:14:07.000 I mean, they never listen until I end up dragging them through court.

00:14:09.000 And then it's not a joke anymore.

00:14:11.000 No, it's not, is it?

00:14:12.000 And sometimes you just have to go through that legal process to prove to people that you're not playing around, that this is a serious issue, that you can't slander me in every which way, shape, and form to try to discredit the actual information that's out there.

00:14:24.000 Well, one guy called up and said he was calling CPS on me and my kids.

00:14:27.000 And I said, you filed that false report, I swear.

00:14:29.000 I said, think about yourself.

00:14:31.000 Don't make me spend 20, 30 grand ruining you.

00:14:33.000 But I said, I mean, I'm just going to have to I guess make more examples out of people.

00:14:38.000 Absolutely.

00:14:39.000 I've already done it a bunch.

00:14:41.000 People think I'm playing games here.

00:14:42.000 I do what I say I'm going to do.

00:14:44.000 You're just the target, Alex.

00:14:45.000 You are the most outspoken person in this movement.

00:14:47.000 Well, you keep my family out of it.

00:14:49.000 That's why I leave the Bush's kids alone.

00:14:51.000 You keep my family out of it.

00:14:53.000 And just go ahead.

00:14:54.000 Nah man, this is all about the information and it's always about attacking the messenger and not the message.

00:14:59.000 And they don't want to attack the message because when you have somebody who's as smart as Ventura, who can present the information in a concise manner, who isn't Looney Tunes going, no planes hit the buildings, mashed potato planes and all this other nonsense, that's obviously there to discredit us.

00:15:14.000 You have to address the information.

00:15:15.000 And I think that's what they're gonna do.

00:15:16.000 I hope that, you know, the guys over at Stern actually read his book and maybe that leads them to Loose Change or Terror Storm or Road to Tyranny.

00:15:24.000 Actually, Gary, the producer, said that his son did watch Loose Change and Gary still won't watch it because it's a quote-unquote fake movie.

00:15:33.000 So, you know, again, we're trying to bring more and more people in.

00:15:35.000 You know, let's shock them with the truth.

00:15:37.000 I agree.

00:15:37.000 Let's go back and play the key part of the clip with Howard Stern on the main show.

00:15:41.000 And again, I'm not looking for trouble.

00:15:43.000 It's just somebody send this clip to Stern and let them know, man, you better listen to what your boys are saying about me because you're on very thin ice.

00:15:50.000 I'm a big businessman and they're going down as a dinosaur.

00:15:57.000 While they used to grow food in Kansas, then they want to grow down the moon and eat it raw.

00:16:06.000 I can see the day coming when I'm keeping your home.

00:16:20.000 Okay, let's go back to this clip of Howard Stern and Jesse Ventura as we analyze the way they try to counter him.

00:16:29.000 Here it is.

00:16:31.000 See that, Fred?

00:16:33.000 It's not that much weight and it's not that much heat.

00:16:39.000 I don't eat beans.

00:16:45.000 Gee, I mean... See, that's crazy.

00:16:48.000 That's crazy.

00:16:49.000 Like, even when you say that the planes were made to go through a certain way, you've never seen anything that was built to work a certain way, but you never know until something happens.

00:16:56.000 Well, there is also in the report that they did not build They didn't build the buildings to code.

00:17:05.000 They scrimped and they didn't do everything they were supposed to do.

00:17:09.000 Hit pause, back it up ten seconds.

00:17:12.000 Again, NISTA said they looked at it.

00:17:14.000 They were built to code.

00:17:16.000 They were underwritten by underwriting laboratories.

00:17:18.000 They internally did their own test and found it had to be bombs.

00:17:21.000 When Kevin Ryan released that, he got fired.

00:17:24.000 So just more bull from these people.

00:17:27.000 And we were playing this as a public service to show you the deception.

00:17:30.000 Of these individuals.

00:17:32.000 Barmus, you got comments to that?

00:17:33.000 Yeah, I mean, Underwriters Laboratory certified the steel structure.

00:17:37.000 In other words, they had floor models there, after the fact also, that did not collapse, Alex.

00:17:44.000 They subjected them to higher temperatures for longer periods of time, and the best they could do was have them sag.

00:17:51.000 It's an utter lie.

00:17:52.000 We know that, you know, I've heard that before.

00:17:55.000 The buildings weren't brought to code!

00:17:57.000 It's a total fabrication!

00:17:59.000 And the disturbing part is, I've heard that come out of some of the 9-11 truthers, or supposed 9-11 truthers' mouths.

00:18:06.000 That this was mafia built, and the concrete was light, and it was lightweight steel in the core, or that there's no core at all.

00:18:12.000 I'm sure you've heard that one, Alex.

00:18:15.000 Oh, they engage in just every form of deception you can imagine.

00:18:20.000 Let's finish up with a clip.

00:18:22.000 Yeah, but they didn't build the buildings to code.

00:18:24.000 They scrimped and they didn't do everything they were supposed to do.

00:18:27.000 Well, let's look at the history of the buildings.

00:18:28.000 These two buildings were white elephants.

00:18:31.000 They were losing money, they had asbestos in there, and they were being required by law to do over a billion dollars worth of asbestos removal.

00:18:42.000 Do you think somebody might have sabotaged it?

00:18:44.000 Just for that?

00:18:45.000 It was an insurance job?

00:18:47.000 Wow.

00:18:47.000 I might have to read your book.

00:18:49.000 It's called Don't Start the Revolution Without Me.

00:18:52.000 of which you have a couple or i might have to read your book you might have to it's called don't start the revolution without me it's in stores now jit by jesse ventura governor jesse ventura And you even believe, you're one of those guys, you don't even believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone again in the Kennedy assassination.

00:19:08.000 No I do not, because I've studied it for over 20 years.

00:19:11.000 Stop right there, back it up again.

00:19:12.000 Okay.

00:19:15.000 In every major poll, it is now over 90% of Americans believe the government killed Kennedy.

00:19:20.000 They've now come out on the BBC and NBC showing the film footage at the Ambassador Hotel of three CIA section chiefs from Asia.

00:19:28.000 The famous guys involved with Kennedy with JFK as well.

00:19:32.000 It's admitted that the guy that shot RFK behind him, who the coroner said shot him from behind, Mr. Caesar was CIA.

00:19:42.000 And we have the footage of all these guys there directing Caesar and others right before it happens.

00:19:47.000 We now have the son releasing the video.

00:19:50.000 We have it, the audio, the guy that was photographed being at the scene by the Dallas Morning News and Dallas Times-Herald.

00:19:56.000 And that, of course, E. Howard Hunt.

00:19:59.000 I mean, Jason, when does it end?

00:20:01.000 It doesn't end.

00:20:02.000 I mean, you know, that interview is almost over and they ridicule him for believing that Oswald was not the lone assassin after he's off the air.

00:20:10.000 But just go to the videotape of the Secret Service by Kennedy that day.

00:20:14.000 As they're turning the corner at Dealey Plaza, one of the Secret Service agents at the back of his car actually gets called off and he's not happy about it, Alex.

00:20:22.000 He starts yelling and saying, no, I'm not going to do it.

00:20:24.000 Somebody ought to get this video online and add that video over it.

00:20:27.000 Our great listeners, we don't have the personnel, but you can take it and put it all together for folks.

00:20:31.000 And it shows a couple of them actually going, what?

00:20:33.000 What are you saying?

00:20:34.000 And then they later said that all procedures were blocked.

00:20:37.000 You got LBJ behind him in the radio calling in the assault.

00:20:40.000 Get ready, we're going with sniper position one.

00:20:42.000 Because they had kill zones all the way down to the airport.

00:20:45.000 They were ready with hand grenade attacks, bazooka attacks.

00:20:50.000 If they had to, they were going to have military kill him and go to full martial law.

00:20:54.000 They had riot troops in the air from the army flying above Dallas and Hours before Oswald's name came out, when the police were first, minutes after Kennedy's kill, it's already published in New Zealand, Australia, Thailand, that Lee Harvey Oswald did it.

00:21:09.000 Open and shut, just like they announced building 7 blew up before it blew up.

00:21:13.000 Absolutely.

00:21:14.000 In fact, Jonathan Elinoff from We Are Change Colorado has that.

00:21:17.000 He got it from eBay.

00:21:18.000 He's got the cover paper where they're literally blaming Oswald for the assassination before it happens.

00:21:24.000 I mean, think for yourselves, people.

00:21:26.000 If they can print this before an event, it's obviously not that guy.

00:21:30.000 He's a patsy.

00:21:30.000 They've got their time zones off.

00:21:31.000 Yeah.

00:21:32.000 I mean, they're going to make mistakes.

00:21:32.000 The government's not perfect.

00:21:34.000 They're not invincible.

00:21:35.000 Byron Miss, thanks for coming in.

00:21:36.000 Thank you.

00:21:37.000 Well, let's talk during this break.

00:21:39.000 We're on the march.

00:21:41.000 All right, go ahead and get my next guest on.

00:21:43.000 Thank you, John.

00:21:43.000 I'm going to keep talking with Burmess.

00:21:46.000 Burmess, I mean, any other comments you want to make about Ventura?

00:21:49.000 You know, just that he's a brave guy, he's going to bring more and more people into 9-11 Truth.

00:21:53.000 I was very, very happy with his conversation with the Minnesotans where he likened the press to pedophiles, you know, with the same disdain as for pedophiles because they're just there to attack.

00:22:03.000 Well, he said that because they were going after his kids.

00:22:05.000 That's right.

00:22:05.000 That's right, that's right.

00:22:06.000 And he refuses to talk to the Minnesota Press, and God bless him for that.

00:22:10.000 But he also brought up the Gulf of Tonkin, and how he was very surprised when he was over at Harvard, and McNamara came out in a speech and said, yeah, the whole thing was staged.

00:22:18.000 He said he really took that to heart.

00:22:20.000 And when some people in the audience who are obviously just not that educated on false flag terrorism or the Vietnam War in general heard that, they couldn't believe it.

00:22:28.000 And he's like, yes, that's true.

00:22:30.000 The Gulf of Tonkin never happened.

00:22:31.000 It's well documented.

00:22:33.000 Maybe it's time that you start rethinking 9-11 now.

00:22:36.000 And the woman's like, yeah, maybe it is time.

00:22:40.000 Well, I mean, the neocons have basically admitted what they've done.

00:22:44.000 They have, I mean, they write letters to Akhmedinejad saying we'll stage more terror.

00:22:49.000 The neocons write articles and memos saying, boy, it was sure great for us.

00:22:52.000 Now, they did just, after eight years, take the PNAC website down last week.

00:22:57.000 We've cached it, 9-11 bloggers cached it.

00:23:00.000 We need to do a story on that, but I've only got three or four writers.

00:23:02.000 Maybe a lister could do it.

00:23:03.000 I wonder why they've now pulled where they said they wanted staged events.

00:23:07.000 Absolutely, and I think the big problem was that all of their policy papers were available in PDF format, as well as their members.

00:23:14.000 In other words, they had a list of members that were very high-profile people.

00:23:17.000 People started getting hip to the Rebuilding America's Defenses document, which clearly states they need to stage a new Pearl Harbor-type event to go into the Middle East.

00:23:26.000 They literally talk about the transformation of the military to UAVs and small robots, but they really say, yo, we're taking over the Middle East.

00:23:34.000 We need to protect U.S.

00:23:35.000 They also say they're going to use race-specific bioweapons and kill certain races, and Dick Cheney wrote that, and so here's the problem.

00:23:43.000 I've already been on national shows and had them say those documents don't exist, and I'll direct them to PNAC, then they go, ooh, and look stupid.

00:23:49.000 Now, you watch, they're going to now say those aren't real.

00:23:52.000 Guaranteed.

00:23:53.000 That'll be the new thing.

00:23:53.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:23:54.000 Absolutely.

00:23:55.000 Well, even the cached stuff that you can find that was on their website that we didn't cache, in other words, just the stuff that's left over from their site, only has partial documents.

00:24:04.000 For instance, if you go to the... Oh, no, they've been slowly for the last couple years pulling it down.

00:24:07.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:24:08.000 Like, if you go to the... We need a site that archives that.

00:24:10.000 I'm hoping there's somebody out there that archived the entire site because you know in those policy papers the next false flag has been laid out.

00:24:17.000 These are think tanks that put out all these different types of scenarios.

00:24:20.000 They're also proud of themselves how they murder us.

00:24:22.000 It's a celebration of their power.

00:24:24.000 Well let's look at some of the people that signed that document.

00:24:26.000 Let's see.

00:24:27.000 Dan Quayle, George H.W.' 's former vice president.

00:24:30.000 Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Scooter Libby, William Crystal.

00:24:37.000 All of these neocons have literally signed on to this thing.

00:24:40.000 It's incredible.

00:24:41.000 They're terrorists and they're going to continue their black ops.

00:24:43.000 I mean, they write memos saying they torture children.

00:24:45.000 It's pure evil.

00:24:46.000 Burmas, thanks for coming in.

00:24:47.000 Thank you.

00:24:48.000 Okay, folks, we're going back live on the main network.

00:24:50.000 We've got our next guest.

00:24:51.000 He's over there.

00:24:52.000 Stand by.

00:24:52.000 We are now into hour number three, but we've now got a fourth hour coming up because there's so much news and information to cover.

00:25:19.000 We'll cover a lot of news with Arizona State Senator Karen Johnson coming up in the fourth hour today.

00:25:27.000 Somebody I've wanted to get in studio for quite a while is a radio talk show host.

00:25:32.000 He also does presentations.

00:25:34.000 I guess I'll let him describe what he thinks he is and the work he does.

00:25:38.000 There's a lot of These kind of tinkerers in law and the Constitutional Bill of Rights, and most of them are very unsuccessful.

00:25:46.000 I've seen them send many people I know, acquaintances to prison, magical straw man theories, UCC theories, imaginary quackery.

00:25:59.000 So I don't traffic in that.

00:26:00.000 Or people setting up trust and then they have you sign your property over to them and they take it.

00:26:05.000 Some of the folks around ten years ago used to do that and so I wouldn't have anything to do with them and then they'd say I was a government agent because I wouldn't promote sending my listeners to somebody and get them sent to prison.

00:26:15.000 You know, basic stuff like you saw with the poor Freeman.

00:26:18.000 You know, passing all these fake notes around.

00:26:20.000 I'm not even saying they're bad people.

00:26:22.000 They just are given a line of bull and they run with it.

00:26:25.000 And that's why I have Larry Becraft on and other real lawyers and constitutional scholars.

00:26:29.000 Because there are, George Gordon's another good one.

00:26:32.000 He's won the Supreme Court and other state courts and state Supreme Courts and federal appellate courts.

00:26:38.000 So I only have on people who I know won't send you directly to jail.

00:26:42.000 Still, fighting the enemy will have them come after you in many cases.

00:26:45.000 These are criminals who've had their way, that almost always win, who even think being criminal is good.

00:26:52.000 And so, Randy Kelton, we'll also be talking during the breaks.

00:26:54.000 If you're listening to InfoWars.com audio streams or watching on PrisonPlanet.tv, we're kind of overbooked today, and so I want to give him most of the full hour.

00:27:05.000 So we're just going to talk straight through during the three-minute breaks.

00:27:07.000 So folks, sorry to the MNFMs, this info is too important, but we appreciate you.

00:27:12.000 Folks will hear that after the break, but for internet listeners and for folks watching at PrisonPlanet.tv, this is so important, it's a public service announcement, that we're going to go ahead and blow through the breaks, but you'll have to go to InfoWars.com to hear those on those streams.

00:27:26.000 Also, even though you hear this, don't think you can just run out and do this immediately.

00:27:30.000 Understand it's at your own peril.

00:27:31.000 This is a lawless, criminal government.

00:27:33.000 So there is no silver bullet here.

00:27:36.000 But I want to thank Randy Kelton for coming in.

00:27:38.000 Randy, take a minute or two to tell folks about yourself, a veteran, how you woke up with the New World Order.

00:27:43.000 I like how you talk about some of the wrong things you did, how you woke up to that, because people can always turn back and become good people like you've done, and then stand up for righteousness.

00:27:52.000 Thanks for coming in.

00:27:54.000 You're welcome.

00:27:55.000 I started this in 1981.

00:27:58.000 I spent the night in jail for driving with a headlight out.

00:28:02.000 That did not seem right.

00:28:03.000 So when I got out of jail, I got out the Penal Code and Code of Criminal Procedure and I read them.

00:28:09.000 And then I looked at what they were actually doing, and I thought, I must have stepped to the looking glass.

00:28:15.000 Or there's some major maxim of law that I have missed.

00:28:20.000 Let's talk about you, Randy Kelton, the person.

00:28:20.000 But let's go back.

00:28:23.000 About your life.

00:28:23.000 Regular guy?

00:28:25.000 Well, I was just a regular guy.

00:28:26.000 I had my own business.

00:28:27.000 I'm a combat veteran.

00:28:30.000 Talk a little bit about your experience there.

00:28:34.000 Well, my main experience I had there was Uncle Sam gave me the honor and privilege of holding my twin brother's hand in Chulai, South Vietnam, while he died of gangrene.

00:28:46.000 The last intelligible thing he said to me on this earth, before the gangrene, the pain, and morphine took his mind away, he was looking across the hall at a VC they were taking care of, and he said, you know, they're going to win this war.

00:29:00.000 And I said, well, why would you say that?

00:29:03.000 They're the good guys.

00:29:04.000 We should never have been here.

00:29:06.000 My brother died thinking he was the bad guy.

00:29:09.000 And in my later studies, I found he was right.

00:29:13.000 They were fighting for their independence.

00:29:15.000 We were shooting at them.

00:29:16.000 We shouldn't have been there.

00:29:17.000 Tell you what, stay there, folks.

00:29:19.000 We'll be back in three minutes.

00:29:19.000 But Randy, let's continue this discussion during this break.

00:29:22.000 for all the PrisonPlanet.tv viewers, stay with us.

00:29:25.000 Okay, Randy, continue.

00:29:34.000 Normally I wouldn't have went there, but this is what motivated me.

00:29:38.000 This is what kept me going.

00:29:39.000 What did you do in the military in Vietnam?

00:29:41.000 I loaded bombs and rockets on fighter-type aircraft.

00:29:45.000 And how did your brother get gangrene?

00:29:48.000 He was in the Army and was the last man off the LZ, stepped on a bouncing Betty.

00:29:53.000 He said he knew what it was when he heard it function.

00:29:55.000 A bouncing Betty shoots a projectile up about three feet.

00:29:59.000 And then it explodes to blow your genitals off?

00:30:01.000 So it's anti-personnel.

00:30:03.000 Well, he dropped down on it to capture it and it just blew him all to pieces.

00:30:07.000 When I got to Chula, I was in... He dropped down on it to capture it?

00:30:11.000 You mean to protect his body?

00:30:13.000 Yes.

00:30:13.000 He was trained to do that?

00:30:14.000 Right.

00:30:14.000 One other person got hurt, but he was the only one that didn't survive.

00:30:19.000 And he would have survived, except he had a negative blood type.

00:30:23.000 When I got to Vietnam, the doctor met me in the doorway of the medevac hospital and asked me my blood type.

00:30:28.000 I said A-positive.

00:30:30.000 He said, you're Richard's twin?

00:30:32.000 Yes, I am.

00:30:33.000 That can't be.

00:30:34.000 His is A-negative.

00:30:35.000 Yes, it can.

00:30:36.000 Darn near killed me.

00:30:37.000 It's not supposed to be possible for twins to be opposite RH factor.

00:30:43.000 He said he didn't think there were 10 pints of A-negative blood in country.

00:30:46.000 He put out a call and got 100.

00:30:47.000 The 63rd killed him.

00:30:51.000 Something in it he responded to shut down his kidneys and from that point they knew he was gonna he would not survive and the gangrene took him and he went hard.

00:31:06.000 So when these guys come after me what in the heck do they think they can throw at me that doesn't pale into insignificance?

00:31:16.000 And they staged a terror attack to get us into that war.

00:31:19.000 Yes, they did.

00:31:20.000 And they've done it every time since.

00:31:24.000 I'm trying to do the only thing I can to undermine these guys.

00:31:30.000 I'm very focused.

00:31:32.000 I don't look into all kinds of different theories of law.

00:31:37.000 It is my position that you and I are sovereign citizens.

00:31:41.000 Not sovereign in the context of my sovereign rights and my sovereign privileges, but in my sovereign duty.

00:31:49.000 These people are my employees and they are not to forget it.

00:31:54.000 When I go into a court, I wear two hats.

00:31:56.000 I go in with my litigants hat on.

00:31:59.000 But when one of my public officials steps across one of my legal lines, that litigants hat comes off, and my sovereign hat goes on, and we're gonna fight.

00:32:08.000 Okay, we're about to come back on the main show.

00:32:10.000 Let's get into your early 1980s.

00:32:12.000 What happens?

00:32:13.000 You start reading how they're supposed to conduct their activities and what they really do, and you find out that it's just all lawless criminal activity.

00:32:20.000 And just explain what you've gone through, what you've witnessed, the victories you've had, the defeats you've had, that Williamson County story.

00:32:27.000 Here we go.

00:32:27.000 49-35-70.

00:32:29.000 Big Brother.

00:32:38.000 Mainstream media.

00:32:39.000 Government cover-ups.

00:32:41.000 You want answers?

00:32:43.000 Well, so does he.

00:32:44.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:32:48.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:32:52.000 He's Randy Kelton, the rule of law.

00:33:04.000 That's what he talks about.

00:33:07.000 And we'll give you one of his websites.

00:33:11.000 It's jurisprudence.com.

00:33:13.000 Not jurisprudence, but jurisprudence.com.

00:33:17.000 J-U-R-I-S-I-M.

00:33:20.000 We'll tell you more about that as we have him with us in the hour.

00:33:20.000 Prudence.com.

00:33:25.000 So, it's the early 1980s.

00:33:26.000 Start back there.

00:33:27.000 You get pulled over, then you get taken to jail for a headlight out, and you go back and look at the law, and look at what they're supposed to do, and look at the code, break that down, then we'll go through the sagas, and the things you've witnessed, and the people you've gotten fired, the people you've gotten in trouble, because you have had some successes.

00:33:42.000 Yes, I have.

00:33:44.000 And I've had some failures.

00:33:46.000 The reason I brought that up is so many people go before the courts, and they get screwed around, and they think there must be some magic thing that I missed.

00:33:55.000 There's something important I don't know.

00:33:58.000 Well, there's not.

00:34:00.000 These guys are just criminals.

00:34:02.000 They're just doing whatever they want to do because they believe they can.

00:34:07.000 I kicked this dog for some 25 years.

00:34:11.000 Three dislocated ribs, two broken collarbones, and a broken elbow.

00:34:15.000 I never brought this to anyone else because I hadn't found a way to do it safely.

00:34:20.000 Well, let's go through all the things that happened.

00:34:21.000 I mean, let's go back to the cop arrest you for no headlight.

00:34:24.000 How did that happen?

00:34:25.000 And then go through all the things you've been through.

00:34:27.000 He was in a bad mood and he asked me for my proof of insurance and I said, well, if I show you my proof of insurance and you look at it and see that it expired yesterday, what will you do?

00:34:37.000 He said, I'll arrest you.

00:34:39.000 In that case, I'm not going to show it to you.

00:34:42.000 Well, he arrested me anyway.

00:34:44.000 But that was really a minor thing.

00:34:46.000 It just opened the door.

00:34:48.000 After that, I had a sheriff's deputy try to kill me once in front of my house.

00:34:52.000 What happened with that?

00:34:53.000 We went to court.

00:34:54.000 I beat him in court.

00:34:56.000 But the deputies made up a story that never happened.

00:35:00.000 And there was a street full of witnesses.

00:35:01.000 And that shocks you when they lie.

00:35:03.000 I've had them do it to me, and it's like, you're a criminal!

00:35:06.000 And they just smile and go, yeah, I am.

00:35:08.000 We had a whole street full of witnesses.

00:35:09.000 I'm thinking, how can they imagine they can get this past the courts?

00:35:13.000 They could.

00:35:14.000 The courts was not interested in anything anyone had to say.

00:35:18.000 They were intent on prosecuting me no matter what.

00:35:22.000 But the jury was not quite so intent.

00:35:26.000 My daughter worked for a woman whose husband was on the jury and she said they were irate when they found out what was actually going on.

00:35:37.000 So I beat them there, but I was in the process of trying to fix the system.

00:35:43.000 I felt like I owed this to my brother.

00:35:46.000 That I should lay down and roll over for these scum after what he paid for.

00:35:53.000 So the fight was on.

00:35:54.000 And I didn't, I just appeared recently on the scene because I wouldn't ask someone to take the kind of risks I was taking.

00:36:01.000 So you've been doing this for two decades plus and you've now developed some things you think work.

00:36:05.000 Yes, when I came across actually filing criminal charges against them, and going after grand juries, everything changed.

00:36:15.000 Folks, there is an answer out there.

00:36:17.000 Well, we're going to talk about it, but let's go back to how you got bones broken.

00:36:20.000 Well, I had a sheriff deputy grab me.

00:36:24.000 He was just one of these policemen who shouldn't have been a policeman.

00:36:27.000 That's a power trip, yeah.

00:36:28.000 Yeah, he had stopped my son in front of my house a day after I filed suit against the sheriff over at Open Records.

00:36:36.000 It's just a technical suit.

00:36:38.000 And the next day I looked out my front door and I saw this policeman out there throw something down, kick it up in the air.

00:36:45.000 And I thought that looked odd.

00:36:46.000 I stepped outside.

00:36:47.000 He had my son pulled over in front of my house.

00:36:50.000 And when I went to find out what was going on, he tried to kill me.

00:36:54.000 And people claim that the sheriff sent him to do it, but I don't think so.

00:36:58.000 The guy was just crazy.

00:37:00.000 Well, I've seen cases where the guy's got a sign saying our judicial system's a joke outside the judge's jurisdiction, and he has cops go arrest him for saying that.

00:37:08.000 I mean, they're crazy.

00:37:10.000 What I do will help put an end to that.

00:37:14.000 It really does work.

00:37:16.000 When you start thinking and acting like a sovereign, I don't even mess with policemen anymore.

00:37:21.000 Well, I want to talk about all that, and we're going to.

00:37:23.000 We'll have you back again, Randy, but right now, I want people to get the backside of this, kind of the war stories, I mean, abbreviated, the saga.

00:37:30.000 Some of the things you've seen, like a few months ago in Williamson County, you went to file a complaint, and what happened there?

00:37:35.000 I mean, I don't think citizens, until it happens to them, then they're isolated, nobody cares, realize what it's like till they're there framing you.

00:37:43.000 Yes, for me it was difficult and I absolutely knew that I'm going to kick you guys behinds every way from Sunday, but it was still difficult standing on that cold concrete floor for 29 hours.

00:37:59.000 This happens to everybody.

00:38:00.000 I've had a number of things.

00:38:01.000 My elbow got broke.

00:38:02.000 It was kind of my fault because I told a bailiff when I was trying to file criminal charges with the grand jury against the district attorney and he demanded to know what my purpose was in the building today and I had already asked him for the grand jury so he knew.

00:38:20.000 So I told him, well I have business here today and it's none of yours.

00:38:24.000 He said, well I'm the court security officer and the bailiff and court bailiff and I want to know what your business is.

00:38:30.000 I said, well if you're the court bailiff then right there at the courtroom just scoot on in there and be a good little bailiff.

00:38:35.000 You're dismissed.

00:38:36.000 Well, he didn't take that well.

00:38:38.000 You don't talk to a God like that.

00:38:40.000 They talk to us, the slaves, like that.

00:38:42.000 Not the other way around.

00:38:43.000 They drug me down the stairs and pushed me out the door.

00:38:46.000 But to his credit, he didn't intend to break my elbow.

00:38:49.000 Oh, how nice of him.

00:38:50.000 Okay.

00:38:52.000 As I stepped out the door, my foot stepped down on a throw rug, a carpet there, and he was pushing me, so it gave me a little forward movement.

00:39:00.000 It scooted that carpet out from under me, and I fell and broke my elbow.

00:39:05.000 But I didn't charge him with that.

00:39:08.000 I've been real careful in what I do.

00:39:11.000 If they can get you into a fight with them, they will win every time.

00:39:17.000 Well, that's why they'll come up and yell and scream at you while you're calm and say, why are you so upset?

00:39:21.000 Yeah, and if they get too excited with me, I like to take out my cell phone and dial 9-1-1.

00:39:27.000 I got this policeman here, I think he's going crazy.

00:39:30.000 He's got slobber dripping out of his mouth, his eyes are bugging out, I think he's going to have a heart attack.

00:39:35.000 You need to get somebody out here before he shoots me.

00:39:38.000 This always slows him down.

00:39:41.000 Because they wind up with another policeman out there.

00:39:43.000 And you call that the chicken dance?

00:39:44.000 Yeah, they start doing this little chicken dance where the one I call and I'm asking him to arrest his buddy and he's got my call on 9-1-1 and that's not going to go away.

00:39:54.000 He don't want to arrest his buddy and I keep insisting and with him I get real obnoxious.

00:40:03.000 And he starts scooting back and forth from one foot to another and I call that their little chicken dance.

00:40:09.000 When you become the sovereign and invoke the same law that they use against you, it changes everything.

00:40:19.000 So, I've been doing this quite a while and it took some time.

00:40:22.000 It took some learning of things you can do and things you can't do.

00:40:26.000 Stay away from the sheriff.

00:40:28.000 Stay away from the police department.

00:40:30.000 All that'll do is get you beat up.

00:40:33.000 Well, I was thrown out of the Sheriff's Department one day by the Chief Deputy when I was there to file criminal complaints.

00:40:39.000 And I stood in front of the place and looked around and thought, I bet if I try to leave this county, somebody's going to be waiting for me.

00:40:48.000 So I went to the county judge and asked him to call the Sheriff's Department and see if they had a warrant for me.

00:40:53.000 Asked him to call the Chief Deputy.

00:40:55.000 And the county judge wanted to know why I wanted him to do that.

00:41:00.000 I said, well, I got a bad feeling he's going to be sitting out there on the highway waiting for me.

00:41:04.000 Oh, he wouldn't do a thing like that.

00:41:07.000 I don't know, but if he did, it'd be bad news.

00:41:09.000 He called the Sheriff's Department and asked for Doug.

00:41:12.000 Well, Doug's not here.

00:41:13.000 He's out in his cruiser.

00:41:16.000 The judge looked at me and kind of gave me a halfway smile and said, well, have Doug call me.

00:41:23.000 Doug called him and he said, I have Randy Kelton in my office and he's concerned that someone may be out waiting on the highway for him to go home.

00:41:33.000 Where are you, Mr. Whitehead?

00:41:36.000 Oh, well, I'm just making some rounds in my cruiser.

00:41:38.000 Since when does the Chief Deputy make rounds?

00:41:41.000 Well, I had business to take care of.

00:41:43.000 Well, Mr. Whitehead, I hope your business is back at the Sheriff's Department.

00:41:47.000 Now, now, that's not even paranoia.

00:41:48.000 Tell folks what just happened to you in Williamson County.

00:41:50.000 Why you were there, what happened?

00:41:52.000 Well, I went to Williamson County because everyone told me that Williamson County is the most corrupt in the nation.

00:42:00.000 Or in the state.

00:42:01.000 I do seminars all over the country, and everybody says, my county's the most corrupt in the state.

00:42:06.000 Except here.

00:42:08.000 Here, everybody says, Williamson County's the most corrupt.

00:42:12.000 And something I know about, the more corrupt they are, the more vulnerable they are.

00:42:18.000 Most policemen don't get into the police work to be jackbooted thugs.

00:42:22.000 But they get stuck in this corrupt system.

00:42:25.000 They know it's corrupt.

00:42:26.000 They don't like it.

00:42:27.000 But if they're going to keep their job, they're going to follow along.

00:42:30.000 And then somebody comes along and points their finger right at it.

00:42:34.000 Well, they knew they were corrupt all the time.

00:42:36.000 The more corrupt they are, the more concerned they are.

00:42:39.000 And the first thing they're going to do is creak open their little closet door and look at their darkest skeleton and figure out how I'm going to find it.

00:42:47.000 So that's why I went to Williamson County.

00:42:49.000 I filed a criminal charge with the district attorney against the sheriff's deputy.

00:42:55.000 And that was with what had happened.

00:42:58.000 A deputy had arrested a woman in Travis County sitting in a parking lot with her lights on.

00:43:05.000 He saw a headlight out.

00:43:07.000 He pulled into Travis County.

00:43:11.000 It was in front of a beer joint.

00:43:12.000 He did a sobriety test on her.

00:43:15.000 ran her license and found that ten years earlier she had three DUIs and it had been ten years, you know, when she was in her late teens and pretty wild, she got over that.

00:43:26.000 So he arrested her and took her back to Williamson County.

00:43:29.000 It had been almost a year, her trying to get it to trial.

00:43:34.000 So they told me about it and uh...

00:43:38.000 First thing I did was file criminal charges against the officer for false arrest.

00:43:43.000 You're not supposed to be out of your jurisdiction.

00:43:46.000 Technically, he can go four hundred yards out of his jurisdiction, but not for a misdemeanor, only for a felony.

00:43:53.000 And he claimed that he followed her from Williamson County into Travis County.

00:43:58.000 So, he lied.

00:44:00.000 We had conflicting opinions.

00:44:01.000 I wanted a grand jury to sort it out.

00:44:03.000 Actually, I wanted the district attorney to refuse to take the complaint so I could try to get him arrested.

00:44:10.000 I always want to go for the highest guy in the district.

00:44:13.000 Don't want to mess with the policeman.

00:44:16.000 Article 2.03 Texas Code of Conduct.

00:44:18.000 We're going to get into how to do this when we get back and we'll talk about some other issues behind the scenes at InfoWars.com if you're listening there.

00:44:18.000 Stay there.

00:44:25.000 I'm Alex Jones.

00:44:26.000 Stay with me.

00:44:31.000 Randy, I want to get back to that story with Williamson County and then get into the solutions.

00:44:35.000 But right now, because I want to keep the show congruent for those that are listening on the main radio line, but other side issues or anything else you want to cover?

00:44:45.000 No.

00:44:46.000 Too much information in just this one section with only an hour.

00:44:51.000 I don't have enough time.

00:44:51.000 Okay, well let's go back then.

00:44:53.000 Let's go back because I don't want to break it up.

00:44:54.000 Tell us some more horror stories of corruption.

00:44:58.000 Well, the Ridhabeus Corpus I have before the grand jury right now.

00:45:05.000 A kid in Montgomery County gets stopped for DUI.

00:45:09.000 The Republic of Texas guys call me to see if I can do something about it.

00:45:13.000 I go down there and no court record.

00:45:18.000 There's no record he exists.

00:45:19.000 He's been sitting in jail for three, four weeks.

00:45:21.000 And the court clerk doesn't know he exists.

00:45:23.000 They do that all the time now.

00:45:25.000 Yes, they do.

00:45:25.000 And I charge them with felony tampering with a government document for doing it.

00:45:29.000 Because when the magistrate does that little hearing that he does, they call it a magistration.

00:45:37.000 They made that up.

00:45:38.000 Magistration doesn't exist.

00:45:39.000 If you type it into Microsoft Word, it puts a little red line under it.

00:45:42.000 It doesn't recognize it.

00:45:44.000 There is such a thing they're supposed to do, and it's called an examining trial.

00:45:47.000 And there's a whole chapter in the Code of Criminal Procedure that defines what's done in an examining trial.

00:45:51.000 They do none of that.

00:45:54.000 There's another statute under chapter 17 under bail that tells the magistrate after an examination he's to seal all documents had in the hearing, cause his name to be written across the seal, forward it to the clerk of the court of jurisdiction.

00:46:10.000 They don't do that.

00:46:11.000 They give it to the prosecutor to keep the speedy trial clock from starting.

00:46:16.000 That gives him time to squeeze a deal out of you.

00:46:20.000 That's a felony.

00:46:21.000 Yeah, that's a form of cruel and unusual torture.

00:46:23.000 I mean, that's punishment to throw someone in and then have no record of them in some gulag.

00:46:30.000 That's the opposite of due process, the opposite of habeas corpus, the Magna Carta.

00:46:34.000 Everything we're built on and they do it all the time.

00:46:37.000 37.10 Penal Code says it's a felony for anyone to secret a government document from the person or department it's directed to.

00:46:45.000 Got the judge dead bang.

00:46:48.000 What happened to him?

00:46:49.000 Oh, nothing yet.

00:46:51.000 I filed 30 complaints with the magistrate.

00:46:55.000 He took the complaints, and one of them was that complaint of secreting documents from the clerk.

00:47:01.000 He sent them all back to me with a note saying he examined into my allegations and found no probable cause, so he returned them to me.

00:47:09.000 Moron!

00:47:10.000 Didn't you read it?

00:47:11.000 Now I file 30 felons against you!

00:47:15.000 Eventually, we'll move out of Williamson County into the federal court.

00:47:20.000 We'll get them out of their local venue.

00:47:24.000 I'm getting them to violate what I can.

00:47:26.000 So it builds a case as they violate.

00:47:28.000 Exactly.

00:47:29.000 It's the Tar Baby Syndrome.

00:47:32.000 First guy screws up, everybody who touches it sticks to it.

00:47:37.000 I filed two felonies, eight class A misdemeanors, I'm sorry, I will be filing, against every jailer who was in the jail at the time.

00:47:45.000 Whatever happened to the young man?

00:47:47.000 Still in there?

00:47:49.000 Five months later, after I filed a writ of habeas corpus in his behalf, I got a call from someone who said, are you, Randall Kelton at CSM, are you Danny Schill's attorney?

00:47:59.000 No, I'm not an attorney.

00:48:01.000 Did you file a writ of habeas corpus on Danny Shull's behalf?

00:48:03.000 Yes, I did.

00:48:04.000 Do you mind if I ask what your relationship with Mr. Shulls is?

00:48:09.000 Sure.

00:48:10.000 I don't have a relationship with Mr. Shulls.

00:48:12.000 Never met the man.

00:48:13.000 There's this long pause, and she said, uh, well, uh, do you mind if I ask what your business with Mr. Schultz is?

00:48:20.000 Yes, I do.

00:48:22.000 I have business with Mr. Schultz, and it's none of yours.

00:48:26.000 The next week, they took him into court, dismissed all the charges, put him on the street.

00:48:30.000 Okay, here we go.

00:48:30.000 We're going live.

00:48:31.000 I was talking to Randy Kelton in the behind-the-scenes for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers.

00:48:41.000 He was just telling me about one case in Texas where they pull a young guy over, claim he's drinking, and he was in jail five months without a charge, without a name, without a hearing.

00:48:51.000 And I hear about this all the time.

00:48:52.000 I see it in the news now.

00:48:54.000 Where they just grab you and throw you in jail, and you had to go file criminal charges, habeas corpus documents, all of this.

00:49:01.000 This isn't just Abu Ghraib people getting flown to Camp X-Ray.

00:49:03.000 I mean, U.S.

00:49:04.000 citizens now, it's not even a contempt charge.

00:49:07.000 They just say, we just put you in jail now.

00:49:11.000 I mean, that is the opposite of what our country is based on.

00:49:14.000 Exactly.

00:49:15.000 The document I filed, the writ of habeas corpus, stipulates how every step from arrest to trial as presently practiced in Texas is not only wrong, it is very specifically against particular law.

00:49:33.000 And to be clear though, you've been practicing and exposing things in Texas, but you've looked at it all over the country is the same.

00:49:38.000 Everywhere I go, this writ of habeas corpus is written on Texas law, but it's based on federal law.

00:49:44.000 It's essentially the same everywhere.

00:49:46.000 Everywhere I go, people read it, they say the same thing's going on here.

00:49:51.000 And everywhere I go, everybody says, my county is the most corrupt Well, here's an example.

00:49:57.000 I got arrested protesting, and then they come to the door, and then they just took me away, because you don't have free speech in Austin.

00:50:03.000 They pay $100,000 and $500,000 lawsuits every few weeks for arresting people at demonstrations.

00:50:08.000 They just take our tax money and pay it.

00:50:10.000 They don't care.

00:50:11.000 They're still going to keep, they've got to stop that freedom, got to stop that free speech, or the public might wake up and take them all to prison.

00:50:17.000 But they came to my jail cell, and they said, we want you to sign this, and it had all this big list of crimes I've committed to get out.

00:50:23.000 I said, well this is a plea of guilt.

00:50:25.000 And then years later, Mike Hanson got arrested, and he told me this, and I went and got the copy.

00:50:29.000 They even gave it to me.

00:50:30.000 I mean, the Soviets would torture you underground and show you a document and say, sign it.

00:50:35.000 Here in America, they just say, the average idiot doesn't know.

00:50:38.000 They go, here, sign your personal recognizance bond, and you're agreeing that you've committed drug dealing, drunken driving.

00:50:44.000 You're agreeing to all these classes that you've committed a crime.

00:50:47.000 Yeah, that's common practice.

00:50:50.000 I mean, the government's just totally lawless, and do the cops know, and do the jailers know they're criminals?

00:50:55.000 Yes.

00:50:55.000 Oh, they do?

00:50:56.000 And for the most part, they don't like it.

00:50:59.000 It's not as bad as we think.

00:51:01.000 There is a remedy out there.

00:51:03.000 And while I don't blame the policeman, the remedy involves kicking him right square in his behind as hard as you can so he has plausible deniability to go to his boss and say, if you want to arrest this guy and take him to jail, you do it.

00:51:20.000 I'm not having him take my bass boat.

00:51:22.000 You accuse the individual of a crime.

00:51:25.000 Forget the guys at the top.

00:51:27.000 Take that personal individual, accuse him of committing a criminal act.

00:51:31.000 When he commits a criminal act, he loses his immunity.

00:51:34.000 You can sue him personally.

00:51:35.000 I know, yeah.

00:51:36.000 Now you put him under threat.

00:51:38.000 When I file against every jailer in the jail in Williamson County for following policy, they're going to say, what?

00:51:45.000 What did I do?

00:51:47.000 And I'm going to say, you touched the tar baby, Bubba!

00:51:49.000 Now, I want to get into, first off, you've had quite a few victories now, and then in the 30 minutes we've got left, let's get into what you do.

00:51:56.000 And I'd like to have you back, Randy, you're really a great guy and we appreciate you coming in.

00:52:01.000 You've had some victories.

00:52:02.000 Yes, I have.

00:52:04.000 The writ we spoke of earlier, the one I filed in Danny Shull's behalf, I filed it with a local district judge, they stopped a murder trial.

00:52:12.000 To hear it, and the judge threw me out of the courtroom because I wasn't an attorney.

00:52:16.000 So I prepared criminal charges against the judge, and then filed the writ with the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals.

00:52:24.000 Highest court in Texas.

00:52:26.000 They insisted that I file a motion for leave to file.

00:52:31.000 Then they denied me leave to file.

00:52:34.000 Well, Rid of Habeas Corpus is the only court filing mentioned in Constitution.

00:52:39.000 It's a writ of right.

00:52:42.000 The Great Writ.

00:52:43.000 The Great Writ.

00:52:45.000 They denied me permission to exercise a constitutional right.

00:52:49.000 I see that as official oppression, a class A misdemeanor in Texas.

00:52:53.000 I went down to the bailiff of the grand jury and I told the bailiff, instruct the foreman I have business with the grand jury.

00:53:01.000 Instead of instructing the foreman, she called the district attorney, who came down and insisted that this was the grand jury's last day, and their calendar's full, they just will not have time to hear your complaint.

00:53:11.000 But if you'll give it to me, I'll give it to the next grand jury.

00:53:14.000 And I told her, make sure you do, because if you don't, you'll start a fight with me and you that I don't want to have.

00:53:22.000 She did not give it to the grand jury.

00:53:25.000 So I came back to the grand jury, with and told the bailiff instruct the foreman I have business with the grand jury instead she called the district attorney and handed me the phone said this is the district attorney she wants to talk to you I said if you look at those complaints you'll find their complaints against the district attorney she's a criminal I don't talk to criminals and the bailiff took the phone back and uh... we've got this on on video

00:53:51.000 Uh, he said he can't talk to you because you're the criminal and he don't talk to criminals.

00:53:57.000 She came out anyway and stopped me from filing criminal complaints against herself with the grand jury.

00:54:03.000 And now, that is a conflict of interest, obstruction of justice, and a bunch of other things.

00:54:07.000 That is so horrendous.

00:54:08.000 What else is it?

00:54:10.000 It's official oppression, it's shielding from prosecution, and she brought someone with a pistol.

00:54:16.000 Aggravated assault.

00:54:18.000 Oh my God, these people are absolutely out of their minds.

00:54:20.000 We'll be right back.

00:54:22.000 We're on the march.

00:54:24.000 Keep going.

00:54:24.000 Yeah, that's how it gets worse.

00:54:26.000 And literally I set him up.

00:54:29.000 I was sure that the prosecutor would stop me.

00:54:32.000 So I could come back with charges against her.

00:54:35.000 I didn't expect her to stop me with charges against her.

00:54:38.000 But she did.

00:54:39.000 So from there I went to the head criminal district judge in Travis County.

00:54:45.000 Petitioned him for a court of inquiry to examine into her actions and presented him with three criminal complaints, which he refused to take.

00:54:55.000 Said the district court in Travis County doesn't take criminal charges.

00:54:59.000 I said, well, I'm not approaching you in your capacity as a district judge.

00:55:03.000 I'm approaching you in your capacity as a magistrate in Texas, and that's a duty from which you may not shield yourself.

00:55:10.000 Well, he did.

00:55:12.000 So I filed criminal charges against him.

00:55:16.000 And then came back a second time and filed the same petition for court of inquiry with another district judge.

00:55:23.000 This one found out what I was doing with the first and he took it.

00:55:28.000 He sent it to the district clerk who sent it to the county attorney to look into it for him.

00:55:34.000 He couldn't send it to the district attorney because he was accused.

00:55:37.000 I went to the county attorney and filed three criminal charges against Claire Brown.

00:55:42.000 And went back to the district attorney's office, demanded the complaints I had given to her against the Court of Criminal Appeals judges.

00:55:51.000 She brought them to me and I got an opportunity to talk to her.

00:55:55.000 Told her, I'm not after you, Claire.

00:55:57.000 I never was after you.

00:55:59.000 If you will just stand aside, let me hand these to the grand jury.

00:56:03.000 Then you go in there and talk them out of indicting.

00:56:07.000 Everybody wins.

00:56:08.000 The judges don't get indicted.

00:56:11.000 I get them presented to the grand jury and you get to be the hero.

00:56:15.000 She bought that story.

00:56:17.000 They're in the hands of the grand jury as we speak.

00:56:20.000 If this grand jury doesn't indict, I got twelve a year that I'll file with.

00:56:25.000 I'll eventually get them.

00:56:27.000 When I get all the justice of the Court of Criminal Appeals, everything changes.

00:56:32.000 They get indicted, they're removed from office.

00:56:34.000 But I know about lots of other people's cases where somebody has been arrested for no driver's license and you give them procedures, just basic stuff, and the court finally doesn't make a plea bargain and just dismisses it.

00:56:44.000 And we see lots of that too.

00:56:46.000 Yes, that's because the writ of habeas corpus It demonstrates all the acts that they commit that are criminal.

00:56:54.000 So I took Rita Habeas Corpus apart and broke it into a bunch of motions.

00:56:58.000 I maintain that when the officer arrests you, searches you, cuffs you, stuffs you, cranks the automobile, points it toward the jail, he has committed aggravated kidnapping.

00:57:09.000 There's no false imprisonment statute in Texas.

00:57:12.000 The statute is kidnapping.

00:57:16.000 When he arrested you, he could have arrested you legally.

00:57:19.000 But when he pointed toward the jail instead of some magistrate's office, he violated law relating to his office, he became a criminal treasurer.

00:57:26.000 Because you're supposed to immediately go before the magistrate so that you can then present your basic Bill of Rights.

00:57:32.000 Exactly.

00:57:33.000 Hold on, let's explain that right now.

00:57:35.000 Okay.

00:57:36.000 Randy Kelton is our guest.

00:57:47.000 He's had a lot of effect in the courts.

00:57:49.000 I've seen him have some victories, get some people out of things they hadn't done.

00:57:53.000 When lawyers wanted $20,000, he was able, with basic procedures, to have them just drop the cases.

00:57:58.000 I mean, it's one big, giant, corrupt system.

00:58:02.000 And Randy, we were talking during the last break there for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers.

00:58:06.000 We were just now getting into the procedures.

00:58:10.000 The police officer in the old days took you before a judge first.

00:58:14.000 And it was always over rustling, or horse thieving, or rape, or something serious, but they still had to bring you before a judge, before the jail, where they could hold you maybe for a day before you went before a judge when the judge came in.

00:58:25.000 It was on the weekend or at night.

00:58:27.000 And now they'll just take you for weeks, months in jail without even charges.

00:58:30.000 That is kidnapping, that is official oppression, that is grade A tyranny, but all of this has just been standardized.

00:58:36.000 But here's another example.

00:58:40.000 Somebody steals your car, they won't come out and look into it.

00:58:42.000 If you want to go file a report, they won't even let you.

00:58:45.000 If you want to file charges on somebody who's knocked your teeth out, they'll just act like, well, come back later, or I can't do that, or go here.

00:58:53.000 They don't let you know that they have to file that, and then if you turn out to be a liar, you get arrested for filing false charges.

00:59:02.000 And so it's the same thing with grand juries.

00:59:03.000 Grand juries used to be creatures of the people.

00:59:05.000 They were open.

00:59:06.000 They were discussed.

00:59:07.000 Now they've become creatures of the prosecutors.

00:59:09.000 Everything has been domesticated.

00:59:11.000 So let's talk about that.

00:59:12.000 I mean, when You know, I've gone down many years ago, ten, twelve years ago, when I had stalkers and people breaking my car and doing stuff, being in my backyard, and I'd go to them and they'd say, look, you don't like us cops.

00:59:26.000 I'm not going to file a thing on him for you.

00:59:28.000 Just get out of my office.

00:59:30.000 And I was just like, whoa!

00:59:31.000 And that was down here in Austin.

00:59:33.000 And that's when I really started waking up.

00:59:34.000 I mean, I'd grown up in Dallas where our sheriff would jail for being a drug dealer, and I'd seen all kinds of crazy stuff and knew it was all a joke, but I mean, this really is, these are hardcore crooks.

00:59:44.000 I mean, you're saying your normal officer isn't like that on the ground.

00:59:47.000 I know they're just out writing tickets and raising revenue and helping people occasionally, but higher up, I mean, it does seem to get more rotten as you get higher up the fish.

00:59:56.000 You know, it rots from the head down, but I mean, Randy, that's a lot I've said, but comments on that.

01:00:01.000 It goes to the law of credulence.

01:00:03.000 Crud sinks to the top.

01:00:06.000 You have to be a scoundrel to ever get there.

01:00:09.000 And I'm not saying all police are lily white angels.

01:00:14.000 There are a number of police out there who got into police work for reasons that should have kept them out of police work.

01:00:20.000 But for the most part, they got into police work wanting to be a good guy.

01:00:24.000 They found themselves trapped in this situation, this system that they didn't create, they don't know how to fix it.

01:00:32.000 I've had four different officers come to me and ask if I could do something to get rid of an officer they had because he was causing them so much embarrassment because he didn't belong there.

01:00:43.000 But then he gets promoted.

01:00:45.000 He's the one that gets promoted.

01:00:47.000 The bad guy.

01:00:48.000 I've literally seen them pull people who are quadriplegics out and beat them up because they couldn't get out of the car fast enough.

01:00:54.000 And then that guy gets promoted.

01:00:56.000 Exactly.

01:00:57.000 There is a technique.

01:00:59.000 And mostly it's getting away from the guy at the bottom.

01:01:03.000 If a guy at the bottom gives me a problem, or if I have a complaint to file, I never file it with the police.

01:01:09.000 I go file it with a judge.

01:01:11.000 And if the judge refuses to take it, Wonderful!

01:01:15.000 Now I get to go to the district attorney and file criminal charges against the judge.

01:01:21.000 And the district attorney is not even going to take that.

01:01:24.000 Now I get to file criminal charges directly with the grand jury.

01:01:28.000 And there's a number of innovative ways to get that.

01:01:31.000 The grand jury is still as powerful as it always has been.

01:01:36.000 It's just that the officials have gotten better at hiding them from us.

01:01:41.000 They hate grand juries.

01:01:42.000 Oh, no, they want to abolish them and regular juries.

01:01:44.000 You bet they want to abolish grand juries.

01:01:47.000 My district attorney in Wise County once told me, those damn grand jury members, they think what they're doing is important.

01:01:56.000 I said, well, Barry, it is.

01:01:57.000 I know that, but I wish they didn't, because he never knows what they're going to do.

01:02:03.000 Well, I mean, I want to get into your solutions here, and how you do it.

01:02:06.000 We've talked some about that on your website, but go back to Williamson County a few months ago, because you go to file this complaint on somebody's rights that are violated, and tell them what they did to you behind closed doors.

01:02:16.000 Well, when the investigator came out and told me that the district attorney... Tell them what department this was.

01:02:21.000 Go through it all.

01:02:22.000 I went to the district attorney.

01:02:24.000 Hank handed his investigator a criminal complaint.

01:02:27.000 If you go to the district attorney with a complaint, they'll always send you an investigator.

01:02:30.000 So this is Round Rock or?

01:02:32.000 This was Georgetown.

01:02:33.000 Okay, Georgetown City District Attorney, okay.

01:02:36.000 No, went to the county courthouse.

01:02:38.000 Okay, I want to be clear, he went to the county of Williamson County?

01:02:41.000 The county, the elected district attorney.

01:02:44.000 Got it, county seat.

01:02:45.000 Yeah, I wanted the highest one in the city.

01:02:47.000 Got it, I just didn't know what jurisdiction, go ahead.

01:02:49.000 Complaints against public officials always go to a district attorney, even if it's a Class C misdemeanor.

01:02:55.000 By law.

01:02:56.000 So, I file the complaint.

01:02:57.000 I try to file it with a district attorney.

01:02:59.000 When you try to do that, they'll never talk to you.

01:03:01.000 They'll send out their investigator.

01:03:03.000 So, I got this trick for them.

01:03:05.000 I make up a criminal complaint.

01:03:07.000 And I ask the investigator, are you a certified police officer?

01:03:10.000 And he said, yes I am.

01:03:10.000 Good, I need you.

01:03:12.000 Here, take this complaint and verify it.

01:03:14.000 And it's a complaint against his boss.

01:03:16.000 And he'll say, well, I can't verify that.

01:03:19.000 If you're a certified police officer, you're authorized to verify criminal affidavits.

01:03:22.000 Verify that.

01:03:23.000 The first thing he does is goes to his boss, because he's not even signing that document.

01:03:28.000 So that gets rid of him.

01:03:30.000 Well, he went to talk to the boss and came back and said, the boss declined my offer to file criminal charges against this other police officer.

01:03:38.000 And I told him I hate to hear that and took out my cell phone, dialed 911, asked him to send an officer out here to arrest the both of them.

01:03:44.000 Class A misdemeanor, official misconduct, violation 39.03 Penal Code.

01:03:50.000 I'll swear out the complaint.

01:03:51.000 I'll wait.

01:03:52.000 And that's the thing, they break the law Go back and explain that when they drive you to the jail, instead of imagining... Explain that.

01:04:00.000 It's just all crime.

01:04:03.000 It was intended by our founders that the people not have a reason to fear their police.

01:04:08.000 This was born out of the British running around arresting their own people for no reason.

01:04:13.000 This thing of magistrates comes from Magna Carta.

01:04:16.000 There was a good idea.

01:04:16.000 The 1200s.

01:04:18.000 They said, The policeman should not have the key to the jailhouse door.

01:04:24.000 You can arrest somebody, but you take him directly to a magistrate and you explain yourself.

01:04:28.000 Separation of powers.

01:04:29.000 And it's not because they don't trust the policeman, but they want you to feel like the policeman didn't arrest and imprison.

01:04:37.000 That he can arrest, but he's going to take you to somebody else and explain himself.

01:04:40.000 And that also gives him protection.

01:04:41.000 Exactly.

01:04:43.000 So, in Wise County, they do that now.

01:04:45.000 And the police like it.

01:04:46.000 So you've made them do that?

01:04:47.000 Yes.

01:04:48.000 It kind of came about, took a long time, but they finally do that.

01:04:51.000 Everybody likes it better.

01:04:53.000 I never hear anyone in Wise County tell me about the police being jackbooted thugs.

01:04:57.000 Just changed their whole perspective.

01:04:59.000 The policeman likes it better, the magistrate likes it better, even the prosecutor likes it better.

01:05:05.000 Because the magistrate throws out a lot of cases so he don't have to deal with them.

01:05:09.000 But that's what they were supposed to do.

01:05:12.000 But over a period of time... Just get lazy!

01:05:15.000 Well, I think the real problem is the legislature told the prosecutor to give advice to the lower courts and the police.

01:05:24.000 That's a prescription for exactly the disaster we see today.

01:05:29.000 You think the prosecutor is going to say to the judge, well, I think you should do this here because it will make my life a living hell.

01:05:36.000 No, he's going to advise them to do things that make the prosecution flow more efficiently.

01:05:43.000 And over time, we gravitate away from... And now everything's plea bargain, and now they'll throw you in jail for five months before they even charge you, so they don't even have to make you plea bargain.

01:05:53.000 I looked at the criminal court records in the county I live in.

01:05:56.000 I was looking at one of them.

01:05:57.000 There's nothing in there but the indictment and the deal.

01:06:00.000 You can't tell he's been arrested.

01:06:01.000 You can't tell anything.

01:06:02.000 In the deal, he got 457 days time served.

01:06:04.000 He sat in jail 457 days before they could squeeze a deal out of him.

01:06:11.000 No judge, no jury.

01:06:14.000 You just go right to jail and they're gone.

01:06:16.000 And not even any record at the court that you exist.

01:06:20.000 He can't file motions.

01:06:21.000 He can't do anything.

01:06:22.000 He's in a legal limbo.

01:06:24.000 And that's because the magistrate doesn't send the records to the clerk.

01:06:27.000 But back to the policeman.

01:06:29.000 When he arrests you, he's supposed to take you to that magistrate.

01:06:32.000 And, according to federal law, his only defense against an allegation of false imprisonment for failure to timely take before a magistrate is a showing of due diligence and effort to locate.

01:06:44.000 When he gets in that car, cranks that car, points it toward the jail as a matter of policy, that's aggravated kidnapping by definition.

01:06:51.000 He violated a law relating to his office.

01:06:54.000 His acts became false imprisonment, which is In Texas, it's called kidnapping, and he did it whilst displaying a deadly weapon that makes it aggravated kidnapping.

01:07:04.000 He took me and gave me to the jailers.

01:07:07.000 They continued the kidnapping.

01:07:10.000 They touched the tar baby.

01:07:11.000 They don't just exceed their authority.

01:07:14.000 Now, what do you do about police now?

01:07:16.000 A lot of them seem to think that they'll go ahead of you, argue with them, and taser you, and then they bump their chest into you, or don't even do that now, and just charge you with assaulting them.

01:07:24.000 What would you do with a case like that?

01:07:25.000 That's what happened to me.

01:07:28.000 And that's why they arrested me.

01:07:30.000 And I was really upset when they dismissed the charges.

01:07:33.000 I wanted him on the stand.

01:07:36.000 On the stand, I'd elicit perjured testimony and ask that judge to have him arrested immediately.

01:07:41.000 But they arrested me and took me into a... The first day, they went into this conference room.

01:07:46.000 I gave them a complaint.

01:07:48.000 Oh yeah, finish up with what happened in Williamson County.

01:07:49.000 The assault began.

01:07:51.000 Yeah, I gave them a complaint.

01:07:52.000 Okay, yeah, go ahead.

01:07:53.000 And he said the complaint was insufficient.

01:07:57.000 I said, well, thank you anyway, but I don't need any legal advice.

01:08:01.000 And they got real excited about that, and started grilling me, and I finally told them this interview's over.

01:08:08.000 And started to leave, and they grabbed me and threw me in a chair.

01:08:11.000 Just total third world country.

01:08:12.000 Yes.

01:08:13.000 Reached for my cell phone, he grabbed my arm, twisted it, ripped my cell phone out of my hand.

01:08:18.000 I told him, I need that to call 9-1-1.

01:08:21.000 They said, we are 9-1-1.

01:08:22.000 No!

01:08:23.000 You're jackbooted thugs!

01:08:25.000 I need 9-1-1!

01:08:28.000 By that time, Michael Badnerik was there.

01:08:32.000 He kind of backed up in a corner.

01:08:35.000 You're witness to this vampiric behavior.

01:08:38.000 Yes.

01:08:38.000 The third time they threw me in the chair, the police officer had his hand on my chest, pushing me backwards.

01:08:44.000 I reached up and pushed his hand off and they arrested me for assault.

01:08:47.000 So they assault you, and if you defend yourself, you're all good.

01:08:50.000 Exactly.

01:08:51.000 So where's that going?

01:08:52.000 They've dropped it?

01:08:52.000 They've dropped it, and I'm upset about it.

01:08:55.000 The prosecuting attorney dropped the charge.

01:08:57.000 What a circus behind closed doors with these crazies!

01:09:01.000 Well, they're not done yet.

01:09:02.000 Actually, Debra helped me out on this one.

01:09:05.000 I went to the county attorney because they dropped the interfering with the public servant charge.

01:09:11.000 And I had went to the court clerk, and there's no record with the court clerk that I was ever arrested, so I asked the prosecuting attorney Who dropped these charges?

01:09:21.000 He said, well, I did.

01:09:22.000 Well, how did you manage to drop them?

01:09:24.000 There's no record in the court clerk they exist.

01:09:27.000 Well, I dropped them in my capacity as a prosecuting attorney.

01:09:31.000 I told him, well, that's all well and good, but I was hoping for something more specific, like a 32.02 Code of Criminal Procedure, which says a prosecuting attorney may not dismiss a prosecution except by submission of written motion to the court of jurisdiction laying down cause for said dismissal.

01:09:44.000 Why they did it?

01:09:45.000 Because for all we know, he could have been paid off to do it.

01:09:47.000 Gotta have a record.

01:09:48.000 Yeah, so where the heck did you get this?

01:09:50.000 He said, well, a prosecution never started because I refused to take it.

01:09:54.000 I said, wait a minute.

01:09:56.000 I thought I spent 29 hours in your jail.

01:09:58.000 And as I read the case law, a prosecution commences when a person is arrested or a criminal complaint is presented to a magistrate, which had to be, for him to find probable cause.

01:10:08.000 So a prosecution commenced You dismissed it.

01:10:11.000 How did you even know it existed?

01:10:14.000 Because the magistrate was supposed to send the records to the court clerk.

01:10:17.000 How did you know?

01:10:18.000 The court clerk doesn't have them.

01:10:20.000 So whoever has them, has them in violation of 3710 Penal Code and they're committing a felony.

01:10:26.000 Have you got those records?

01:10:27.000 And he looked like a cat with a feather in his mouth.

01:10:30.000 And Debra was standing behind me.

01:10:33.000 Debra, that's my co-host, Debra Stevens.

01:10:36.000 She stepped up and said, Randy, aren't you talking about the records that were supposed to go to the Magistrate?

01:10:40.000 And I said, yes.

01:10:41.000 Well, look at that folder he's got in his hand there.

01:10:43.000 Isn't that those records?

01:10:45.000 And this prosecutor looked like he wanted a hole to crawl in.

01:10:49.000 And she said, are any of those records in there from the Magistrate?

01:10:53.000 Well, yes, one of them.

01:10:55.000 And Debra shut up, stepped back.

01:10:58.000 And for Debra to stop talking abruptly, I thought that was rather strange, and I looked back at her.

01:11:03.000 It wasn't until later I realized what she had done.

01:11:06.000 She got the prosecutor to cop to a felony.

01:11:10.000 And once she got it, she didn't pursue any more, so he wouldn't have a chance to talk his way out of it.

01:11:17.000 So I'll be filing felony tampering with a government document against the prosecutor for having my records.

01:11:24.000 Let him explain.

01:11:24.000 But see, they love to have false charges and set up old ladies and young kids.

01:11:29.000 They get to have some of their own sick medicine.

01:11:32.000 But you're doing it within the law.

01:11:33.000 Yes.

01:11:33.000 Oh, they hate this.

01:11:34.000 Because they know I will go directly to the grand jury.

01:11:39.000 Now, whether I actually get to the grand jury or not is not so important.

01:11:44.000 Just making grand jury noises scares the bejesus out of these guys.

01:11:50.000 They see their career flash before their eyes.

01:11:53.000 The odds are that I'm not going to get an indictment.

01:11:57.000 Who wants to play Russian Roulette?

01:11:59.000 But getting back to their psychology, I don't know how they have, like, in their minds, think we're like lumps of meat and aren't humans with lives and careers and ideas and hopes and dreams.

01:12:09.000 I mean, it was crazy when the New York cops took me behind there and said, we're going to say you hit one of us.

01:12:14.000 And they weren't messing with me.

01:12:16.000 And I said, there's a lot of cameras out there.

01:12:17.000 And they go, no, we're talking about in here.

01:12:18.000 And I just said, you know, do what you need to.

01:12:21.000 But I said, I'm not, I said, I'm a big fish and I'm going to sue you, you know, you can, you can beat the rap, but you're not going to beat the ride.

01:12:27.000 And they just said, all right, you know, tough guy.

01:12:28.000 They wouldn't put me in a cell with human feces everywhere when they had other cells that were clean.

01:12:33.000 But I mean, who wants that type of power?

01:12:35.000 I would be embarrassed.

01:12:36.000 I mean, I'm not like mean to my employees on purpose for a personal power trip, but I guess that's who, let's admit it, in some cases that's who wants to be a cop or a judge.

01:12:47.000 That's part of the problem.

01:12:48.000 I mean, they really enjoy squeezing people.

01:12:51.000 And I've had enough of it.

01:12:53.000 There's a lot of them out there that aren't that way.

01:12:56.000 We just have to give them an opportunity to stand up.

01:13:00.000 And it's unfortunate, the way we give them that opportunity is kick them right square in their behind.

01:13:06.000 I equate that to my grandchildren.

01:13:09.000 I love my grandchildren dearly.

01:13:11.000 But if one of them runs out on the road, I'm fixing tan his hide.

01:13:17.000 When you do this kind of thing, I suggest that people don't go file complaints in your own case.

01:13:22.000 You've got too much involved.

01:13:24.000 If you want to find out how this works, go pick a fight.

01:13:27.000 Or a traffic ticket.

01:13:29.000 What are you going to lose at a traffic ticket?

01:13:31.000 If you lose, they're going to do the same thing they would do to you anyway.

01:13:35.000 So heck, there's nothing to lose.

01:13:37.000 Traffic tickets are great fun.

01:13:40.000 My last traffic ticket was in Bell County.

01:13:43.000 I asked the bailiff to drag the judge down off the bench three different times.

01:13:47.000 And they told the judge, get down off that bench, you're disqualified.

01:13:51.000 He jumped up, clear the jury, clear the jury.

01:13:54.000 It was a hoot.

01:13:55.000 What happened there?

01:13:57.000 Oh, the jury found me incredibly guilty.

01:14:00.000 But I was.

01:14:01.000 I told them before we told the jury panel that these guys are going to get up here and they're going to put an officer up here and he's going to say that he clocked me doing 80 miles an hour in a 65 mile an hour zone.

01:14:11.000 And he did.

01:14:13.000 I was doing it.

01:14:14.000 Well then why'd you do this case then?

01:14:15.000 I'm here because they're bigger criminals than me.

01:14:18.000 They have no authority to prosecute me because they're really the criminals and oh, the prosecutor had a fit.

01:14:23.000 And so you did it as an educational?

01:14:25.000 Yes.

01:14:26.000 And then what did you teach the jury?

01:14:28.000 I had a motion to disqualify the judge before the court and he turned it down himself.

01:14:36.000 That's a crime.

01:14:37.000 No, they have to let another judge look at that, don't they?

01:14:39.000 Exactly.

01:14:39.000 Motion to recuse the judge can deny himself.

01:14:43.000 But a motion to disqualify, he cannot.

01:14:46.000 But he did.

01:14:47.000 And then after that, the first thing I did was ask the policeman when he signed his last oath of office.

01:14:55.000 Prosecutor objected.

01:14:56.000 The judge sustained.

01:14:58.000 I said, Your Honor, I have a right to test the credibility of this witness.

01:15:02.000 The judge said, Well, Mr. Kelton, this witness is credible.

01:15:04.000 And just how did this witness become credible?

01:15:07.000 He's credible because I say he's credible.

01:15:10.000 Mr. Bailiff, did you hear that?

01:15:11.000 Yes, Mr. Kelton, I did.

01:15:13.000 Drag that judge down off that bench!

01:15:15.000 Judge, you get down off that bench, you are disqualified!

01:15:18.000 Alright, we're doing the break for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers.

01:15:20.000 Tell us what happened.

01:15:21.000 We'll come back, finish up.

01:15:22.000 Tell folks, are you going to be having a seminar any time soon?

01:15:25.000 I hope to.

01:15:26.000 We don't have... Well good, well when that's coming up, we'll plug it here.

01:15:28.000 We'll have you back on.

01:15:33.000 Okay, go ahead and tell folks what happened in that case.

01:15:40.000 Oh, they found me guilty, and then I went to the district attorney and tried to file criminal charges against the judge and the district attorney's investigator, who wouldn't identify himself.

01:15:52.000 He threw me out of the building at gunpoint with two bailiffs and frankly I just haven't had time to go back and pursue them.

01:16:00.000 I have.

01:16:00.000 But I personally heard about some of your victories with helping other people and somebody in here running the show, you really helped him.

01:16:06.000 I spent like ten grand trying to help him.

01:16:08.000 They did nothing with normal lawyers and you got it done pretty quick.

01:16:13.000 Tell us about, just real fast, some of the basic victories.

01:16:15.000 Well, there was that one, three class B misdemeanors, and what I did was accuse the policeman of arresting him for exercising a constitutional right.

01:16:25.000 When he told them he didn't want to talk to them anymore, they needed his attorney, rolled up his window, they arrested him for interfering with the public servant.

01:16:32.000 I call that punishing someone for exercising a constitutional right.

01:16:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:16:37.000 What is that, the seventh?

01:16:41.000 I forget.

01:16:41.000 Which one is it, the right to counsel, or the fifth?

01:16:44.000 It's also not the top.

01:16:45.000 In Texas law, it would be Article 1, Paragraph 10.

01:16:48.000 Okay.

01:16:49.000 So, and the case law says, to punish someone for exercising a constitutional right is a due process violation of the most basic sort.

01:16:58.000 So I charge the officers with aggravated kidnapping.

01:17:03.000 False imprisonment, and then they took him to jail instead of a magistrate.

01:17:06.000 I walked down that Rid of Habeas Corpus and charged everyone with a criminal act for every act, everyone with the criminal act of every other actor, including the prosecuting attorney and the judge.

01:17:20.000 When the prosecutor got it, he looked at all these allegations and he said, I do not want to go here.

01:17:27.000 Because he did his homework, he went back and looked at the supporting law and found that it was right.

01:17:34.000 Tell folks about what's happened in your own little county.

01:17:37.000 You were saying you really... In Wise County, it took some 15 years.

01:17:44.000 I never got, and this was my learning process, that's where I got my elbow broken, where the officer stove in three ribs.

01:17:52.000 I stayed after the sheriff and the district attorney, the district judge, just harassed them with criminal complaints and they would hide from the grand jury.

01:18:03.000 That's what taught me how to get around all these maneuvers they pulled.

01:18:08.000 Never got anyone arrested, never got anyone indicted, but they changed everything.

01:18:13.000 Well, it's the process.

01:18:14.000 It's kind of like, out of hundreds of battles, only a handful were won by the revolutionary forces, but finally the British just were tired.

01:18:21.000 And you just teach them.

01:18:21.000 Exactly.

01:18:22.000 You educate them.

01:18:23.000 And they finally said, enough of this.

01:18:25.000 The last time I spoke to my district judge in Wise County, I was in his courtroom talking to the bailiff.

01:18:33.000 He ran in the courtroom and said, Mr. Kelton, you're creating a disturbance.

01:18:37.000 You get out of this courthouse, or I'll have you arrested.

01:18:40.000 And I said, oh, gee, Judge, I'm sorry, and I reached in my pocket and pulled out this little digital tape recorder.

01:18:46.000 I didn't have this turned on.

01:18:47.000 I clicked the button and stuck it right in his face and said, will you say that again?

01:18:51.000 And the judge looked at me like... Oh, let's go back on air.

01:18:54.000 Okay.

01:18:59.000 You were just telling me during the break about, um...

01:19:02.000 In your own town with a judge threatening you and you pulled out the recorder.

01:19:06.000 Yeah, all of them hate me except the county attorney.

01:19:10.000 And I've been after him a long time.

01:19:11.000 I never got anybody arrested in Wise County.

01:19:13.000 Never got anybody indicted.

01:19:15.000 Never even got anyone presented to the grand jury.

01:19:18.000 But they do take everyone they arrest directly to the nearest magistrate.

01:19:23.000 And that's because I just kept harassing them.

01:19:27.000 I didn't get them indicted, but I was always so close.

01:19:32.000 They're literally playing Russian roulette with me.

01:19:35.000 And I was just telling the story the last time I spoke to my district judge.

01:19:38.000 I was in his courtroom, talking to his bailiff, and he ran in and said, Mr. Carlton, you're creating a disturbance.

01:19:44.000 You get out of this courthouse, or I'll have you arrested.

01:19:47.000 I reached in my pocket, I said, I'm sorry judge, I didn't have this turned on.

01:19:50.000 Pulled out a little digital recorder, clicked it on, stuck it in his face, and said, will you say that again?

01:19:56.000 And he looked at me, he was breathing hard, and I know what he was thinking.

01:20:01.000 That damn district attorney, he didn't tell me everything.

01:20:05.000 And the judge was right.

01:20:08.000 I was talking to the bailiff because the high sheriff of the county sent me to talk to the bailiff in order to file criminal charges against the district attorney.

01:20:17.000 The District Attorney told the judge I was creating a disturbance.

01:20:20.000 I filed making a terroristic threat against the District Judge with the Attorney General.

01:20:26.000 The only time the Attorney General is the prosecutor of original jurisdiction is in a matter of a complaint against a District Attorney under open records.

01:20:35.000 But how did it get so corrupt all over the country where none of them follow proper procedure, none of them follow the state and federal law, they just do whatever they want?

01:20:43.000 I have a document on my website I call the Frog Farm Conspiracy.

01:20:48.000 Uh, and the reason I call it that is Samuel Clements once said, you take a frog, throw him in a pot of hot water, he'd jump out.

01:20:54.000 Take that same frog, put him in a pot of cold water, gradually raise the heat.

01:21:00.000 Well, over time, through a series of seemingly minor adjustments toward administrative convenience and adjudicative expediency, we took one little step after another outside the legal limits, and then one day we look around and wonder how we got in this mess.

01:21:19.000 And it's bad, but on the other hand, because it's so bad, it gives us a lot more power in changing it.

01:21:28.000 They are so far away from rule of law, they have zero defense.

01:21:33.000 And all we have to do is keep hammering them.

01:21:36.000 Right now, I'm just one person.

01:21:39.000 And just one person.

01:21:41.000 I've got all of the judges of the Court of Criminal Appeals wondering if they're going to get indicted.

01:21:48.000 That's extremely powerful, even if I don't get them indicted.

01:21:52.000 Well, I mean, here's an example.

01:21:53.000 I want to hold you over five minutes, if we can, in the next hour.

01:21:55.000 Then we're going to get Senator Karen Johnson on for a 50-plus minute interview and take calls, listeners, on 9-11 and all these big developments that have happened there.

01:22:04.000 When we come back, I want you to answer this for me in the five minutes we've got left.

01:22:07.000 Here's an example of what we did.

01:22:10.000 You know, with the absent student assistance program, ASAP, in 98-99, if your child didn't go to school one morning with the flu, and you had the flu or forgot to call, the police would come and demand in, threaten parents, they would arrest you, but truancy was 14 absences unexcused in a semester.

01:22:31.000 So we went to the county commissioner's court and would read the law and say, and we found out that they would take three Uh, late.

01:22:42.000 You know, sixth graders being late to class three times and call that an absence?

01:22:45.000 And they would bring them into these little portable buildings and say, but it wasn't real court, we got video of it, they would just say, sign a document, we're signing them on to probation.

01:22:53.000 Via contract fraud.

01:22:54.000 And we cut back on some of that, now they're back with it, I mean, I can't fight everything.

01:22:58.000 But the point is, it's not even laws.

01:23:01.000 I mean, it's all fraud.

01:23:02.000 So I'm not talking about contract fraud with you.

01:23:04.000 You're talking about how to keep them accountable.

01:23:06.000 I mean, just for the average public to know the government is criminal, stop trusting them.

01:23:10.000 We'll be back in one minute.

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01:24:29.000 Music I was talking about all over the country the Feds paid to have this done.

01:24:47.000 They, uh... Well, I had a news article the other day.

01:24:50.000 I haven't covered it yet.

01:24:51.000 Bob, do you have that article where the little kid fell asleep at his table?

01:24:58.000 His family had been in the hospital.

01:24:59.000 It was his sister or his mother up in the article.

01:25:01.000 This is admitted.

01:25:02.000 I remember seeing this in the paper.

01:25:03.000 So he fell asleep, his little head.

01:25:05.000 They'd been at the hospital all night.

01:25:06.000 He still went to school.

01:25:07.000 And the officer came in, arrested him, charged him with disorderly conduct.

01:25:11.000 Sleeping.

01:25:11.000 Was disorderly.

01:25:13.000 And now he's on probation and he visits the probation officer.

01:25:16.000 And that's the new system.

01:25:17.000 You know, 10 years in prison in Florida for speeding.

01:25:21.000 You know, a year in prison for an apple peel.

01:25:23.000 I mean, for an apple core or a banana peel on the ground.

01:25:25.000 I mean, you know, it's total control where they're now arresting you for no seatbelt.

01:25:30.000 They're now arresting you for no turn signal.

01:25:33.000 They'll taser you.

01:25:34.000 I mean, they taser you in Canada if you don't pay to get on the train.

01:25:39.000 I mean, and they say this is your punishment.

01:25:40.000 I mean, it's psycho.

01:25:43.000 What's happened?

01:25:45.000 We've lost our grand juries.

01:25:47.000 There is a different way of appealing.

01:25:51.000 When I was before the head district judge here in Travis County, and he suggested I file my complaints with the Sheriff's Department, I told him I did and they threw it in the trash, he said, well, I needed to appeal that to a higher court and petition for a writ of mandamus.

01:26:04.000 And I told him, well, I don't know, judge, you know, you go before a corrupt judge and he renders a corrupt decision?

01:26:10.000 So they tell you, oh, that's okay.

01:26:12.000 You can go before a whole panel of corrupt judges and they can screw your royal.

01:26:17.000 He said, well, Mr. Kelton, I don't think it's that bad.

01:26:19.000 Yeah, that's because you're not pro se.

01:26:21.000 I would much rather appeal to a grand jury.

01:26:24.000 He said, well, you can't appeal to a grand jury.

01:26:26.000 Sure I can.

01:26:27.000 I can appeal to them with allegations of shielding from prosecution against the officer and see if they can get him arrested.

01:26:34.000 Much better to take your complaint to a grand jury.

01:26:36.000 But I mean, how do they humanly, I guess it's all about revenue, a little kid who's an A student, falls asleep, 11 years old, and they arrest him and his life's basically criminal from now on.

01:26:49.000 He'll never get out of their system.

01:26:50.000 That's part of the basic programming.

01:26:52.000 Oh, they admit the schools are to get you ready for prison.

01:26:55.000 The biggest hurdle I have to come over is the programming you had in school.

01:27:02.000 You go to school for twelve years and they tell you about all these great and wonderful rights that you have, and all these privileges that you have as a citizen, but don't even think of trying to express one of those while you're in this school!

01:27:13.000 Because if you do, the whole weight of the world will fall right on your heads.

01:27:16.000 But the schools are designed to hurt our children, and uh...

01:27:20.000 Did you hear about the case with We Are Change in Kentucky, who had press passes and the cops tackled them and stole their stuff?

01:27:26.000 No, I didn't hear about that.

01:27:27.000 And then now they call the cops and the cops go, we don't have those officers working here, and it turns out they do.

01:27:31.000 I mean, what do you do when they just deny it?

01:27:33.000 And the cop would come walking out in his uniform and they'll laugh and say, doesn't exist, slave!

01:27:37.000 Don't even go to... I don't even talk to the policemen.

01:27:40.000 Once they've screwed up, I go up.

01:27:43.000 First place I want to go is grand jury.

01:27:45.000 And the prosecutor's going to say, well, you're going to file it with me.

01:27:47.000 Okay, I'll file it with you.

01:27:48.000 And then he'll refuse to give them to the grand jury.

01:27:50.000 Then I'll file against both of them.

01:27:52.000 You get up there in the higher areas.

01:27:54.000 We're the sovereigns.

01:27:55.000 We can do that.

01:27:56.000 I mean, we're human beings.

01:27:59.000 They forgot that.

01:28:00.000 I thought they're authorities and we're scum.

01:28:02.000 Well, I tend to remind them that I'm sovereign.

01:28:05.000 I never tell them I'm sovereign, but I do things that sovereigns do.

01:28:09.000 I don't care what they say about a grand jury.

01:28:12.000 From what I can find in Texas, there's no law in Texas that says I cannot approach the foreman of the grand jury while he's sitting on the toilet.

01:28:20.000 If it doesn't say I can't do it, I can do it.

01:28:23.000 So I go to the highest courts, I go to the highest judges and the grand jury at the drop of a hat.

01:28:30.000 Well, Randy, we're going to have to have you back up for two hours to take calls sometime.

01:28:33.000 Very interesting fellow.

01:28:34.000 I plan to get George Gordon back on the show, too.

01:28:36.000 I haven't had him on in about five, six years as we explore other areas.

01:28:40.000 But the website is jurisimprudence.com.

01:28:47.000 And in the next month or so, we'll have another seminar here in Austin or any surrounding area.

01:28:53.000 I'd like to have you back in the studio to plug that.

01:28:55.000 Randy Kelton, thanks for the time.

01:28:56.000 We also have a website, Rule of Law Radio.

01:29:00.000 It's a little easier to remember.

01:29:01.000 Ruleoflawradio.com.

01:29:03.000 I'm sure my good friend, Danny, will appreciate that.

01:29:05.000 Thank you for coming in.

01:29:06.000 I appreciate it.

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