Alex Jones sits down with comedian Joe Rogan to discuss his life, career, and the importance of being a father. Alex Jones is a stand-up comedian, host of the Fear Factor and host of The Man Show on Comedy Central. He is also a martial arts black belt in jiu-jitsu and has been involved in the Ultimate Fighting Championship for over a decade.
00:00:47.000He is the host of Ultimate Fighting Championships, which is now the biggest craze in sports globally, and he's been involved in that for more than a decade.
00:00:57.000He's a brown belt in jiu-jitsu, trained by some of the best fighters in the world.
00:01:03.000He, of course, hosted the Man Show on Comedy Central.
00:01:06.000He's a very successful comedian, you know, traveling the world on huge tours, which millions of people have come out and seen.
00:01:14.000And I was lucky enough to get to know Joe and become friends with him, I guess about ten years ago, because he would come to Austin for shows and he was friends with Kevin Booth, the producer for Bill Hicks.
00:03:01.000It's definitely, there's a biological process that goes on, like, almost instantaneously.
00:03:07.000You start thinking about, you know, you become much more like of a homebody, you start thinking much more rationally, you start thinking like, wow, I gotta really, you know, get my insurance in order and get all my, you know, my money in place.
00:03:21.000I start thinking much more business-wise, I become much more ambitious, almost instantaneously.
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00:08:11.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:18.000He's Joe Rogan, ladies and gentlemen, and he's agreed to ride shotgun with Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor of the Manson family and best-selling author.
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00:08:49.000Joe, I want to talk about your comedy.
00:08:51.000Well, we can't talk about your new TV show that's coming out yet.
00:09:13.000Where you did this rant on another radio show about flying over cities and how cities look like cancers.
00:09:20.000And then you were talking about taking DMT and how there's this other reality while we're sleeping.
00:09:26.000And it was all just an amazing rant you were doing, but I thought, why play somebody else's show?
00:09:32.000Why not just have Joe talk about that, but add, because this rant was about a year ago, you've now had a child, you say you, which, which, which, which, I think what you just said about having a child fits into what you said previously.
00:09:44.000Does having a child confirm your view about how we are really a, kind of like a jellyfish, we are a group organism, but we individually, I don't think, realize that.
00:10:22.000I mean, if that doesn't just show you that there's some sort of a biological need to stay in contact with other people, because we are a group organism, it's an illusion that we're not.
00:10:34.000And if you look at the way this group organism is devouring the planet, killing off all the other organisms, It's just like an out-of-control bacteria or a virus or, you know, or just a parasite.
00:10:49.000Any kind of other animal that could overtake, you know, like when some, you know, crazy roach gets into a community and gets in everyone's houses and they can't get rid of them, they can't exterminate them.
00:10:58.000I mean, that's really what humans are like.
00:11:01.000We're just conscious, and we communicate, and we like to depict ourselves in unnatural ways, and we get confused, and we start to think that that depiction is the reality.
00:11:14.000But the reality, when you look at what humans are doing to the world, what we're doing to each other, we're just a really complicated, screwed-up animal.
00:11:24.000Now, I don't want to get out of the gates and get into a debate with you, because I agree with some of what you're saying and don't with others.
00:11:30.000I mean, that thousand plus square mile thing of plastic trash floating around in the Pacific Ocean right now, that is a problem.
00:11:38.000Genetic engineering, these cross-species organisms that have been put out are already wreaking havoc.
00:11:45.000GMO food that we produced, you know, that literally kills all the rats they feed it to, we're eating that, it's causing all these health problems.
00:11:52.000But we can certainly be a cancer, or we can be something that terraforms other planets, and I see our real potential as a life spreader, a life seeder.
00:12:03.000So I think like with everything in the world, it's a double-edged sword.
00:12:06.000And you think our potential is to seed Yes, and to terraform.
00:12:14.000We're going to go in, no doubt if we don't destroy ourselves with these superconducting heavy reactors and the antimatter weapons the Air Force admits they have but won't declassify the details on.
00:12:25.000If we don't destroy ourselves, yes, we're going to spread life.
00:12:29.000And so, will we consume the yolk, you know, like a chicken embryo that's our planet?
00:12:36.000Yes, but when we get to our true potential, we're going to be able to create thousands of worlds.
00:12:40.000Well, our real problem is that everything we do to this world, everything we do, like with our materialism and the way we live our lives, the gas that we use and everything, it's damaging the Earth, but I don't think we feel it, personally.
00:12:57.000You know, and I think that's a big problem with human beings.
00:13:00.000Well, Joe, we do feel it when we get cancer from the dioxins that get in the water and the air, and we do feel it when our three-year-old dies of leukemia because they took the vaccines.
00:13:28.000You know, when people are working all day and they come home and they got kids and they got bills, it's very difficult to get them to try to reorganize the culture.
00:13:38.000I mean, completely rework society to the point where we don't have a voting system in place like we do now that makes no sense with electoral college and votes and delegates and what are you talking about?
00:13:50.000And all this nonsense, this two-party nonsense.
00:13:54.000Like, it's going to take a lot of work to get rid of all this BS that we have that's clogging up the pores of this culture.
00:14:01.000And this is the most, supposedly, at least we like to consider ourselves, the most advanced culture in the world.
00:14:09.000I mean, that's the most amazing aspect about life, is that there are grown children and they're operating the world like it's a Harry Potter movie.
00:14:22.000Humans, when they're stressed and pushed to the edge of endurance, do incredible, magical, dynamic things.
00:14:32.000But when we have milk and honey, when we have it too good, we do become lazy, we do become decadent, we do become slothful.
00:14:40.000But the establishment, the social engineers, if you read their own documents, they have fostered and pushed our already weak instincts.
00:14:47.000They didn't create it, but they know how to punch our buttons.
00:14:50.000Kind of like the devil says in that film with Al Pacino, Devil's Advocate, he says, I know every button, every thing to push, every lever to pull.
00:15:00.000And so they openly in their own documents, and I can give these to you if you want, you might have already seen them, say a hundred years ago they were going to push and control and make us dumb, make us decadent, feed into that feedback loop to get the general public satiated bread in the circus like the Roman Caesars did so the elite can go on above us and build their real technological system while we're diverted kind of in this suppressed level and they sell us on things that sound good like you do fly over LA and it doesn't look like a cancer on the landscape belching black smoke
00:15:29.000if you were an alien flying over you'd say that looks like some type of cancer disease you know it's I don't know it's The whole conversation is very... It's like, what came first, the chicken or the egg?
00:15:43.000Have people always been lazy, or is somebody making people lazy?
00:15:48.000And I think, you know, if there's going to be real leaders in this world, you know, if there's going to be a real leader, it's not going to be a leader that's coming from this system that we have right now.
00:16:18.000We don't feel it, like you said, consciously, though it is affecting us.
00:16:21.000The problem is the elites are going to use this to totally enslave us and do a lot of bad things, and I indict those elites and say, you know, your end doesn't justify your means, and you're doing more damage to the earth than the fake carbon taxes you're pushing, when carbon is what plants breathe.
00:16:41.000This is the whole thing about this whole idea of elites and the impoverished and the, you know, the proletariat.
00:16:47.000You know, what people are is just people.
00:16:49.000And these people, if they truly are manipulating world populations into wars and ruining lives and doing it all for profit and that they don't care, they can't be happy.
00:17:05.000Those elite dudes, they could use the advice that someone would give them if someone told them to just relax and have fun and stop being a douche.
00:17:14.000The problem is, it's not just about making money.
00:17:24.000I mean, see, you're not a psychopath, Joe.
00:17:25.000You care about your surroundings, because at an instinctive level, your genetic engineering is correct, and so you realize what happens to others affects you.
00:17:33.000You feel it and feel bad, but you're designed like that because hurting your tribe hurts you.
00:17:38.000There are jobs and positions in this world where it pays to be a psychopath.
00:17:45.000You know, and if you're going to be a politician, that's, you know, it really does pay you to be at least a little detached from the things that you're going to do.
00:18:45.000I mean, with a normal person that's trying to be ambitious and maybe cutting corners and doing the wrong thing, you can explain to that person karma.
00:18:54.000You can explain to that person that we are really just the same.
00:18:57.000We're just living lives through different circumstances.
00:19:48.000And the fact that people want to call that a conspiracy theory, or, like, what, how much evidence do you have to see before you want to look into it?
00:19:57.000Let's come right back after this quick break and talk specifically about that.
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00:25:10.000Joe, flesh that out, because that's a point I've made before, but rarely do, and it's so central how you have lots of even low-level, petty elites that think they're members of the elite.
00:25:19.000They're trained to hate the general public, that the public's to be fed on, and when you get to skull and bones level and royalty level, It's even admitted in mainstream books that they train them to be cold-blooded and enslave the public and to have this us-against-them mentality and they're really, they're breeding almost a psychopathic view into them and that's what the mock sacrifices are about and the devil worship is about.
00:25:43.000It's how an old guy sends his son to have his peers induct him into a predator's mindset.
00:25:52.000Well, I mean, I think if you are the type of person that wants to be, you know, an elite, if you're the type of person that really wants to, you know, to run things in this world and manipulate people and make money, I mean, you have to be a psycho.
00:26:06.000And your kids are going to be psychos, too, because you're going to raise your kids.
00:26:10.000If you keep them in that environment and you have your kids grow up and seek political offices and seek influential positions in society and in business, you're going to develop psycho kids, for sure.
00:26:21.000Those kids are going to want to be like daddy, ruthless daddy who raised them and taught them how to do it.
00:26:40.000You can see, like, all the memberships in these little weird skull and bones things, and the fact that they all go to similar schools, and, you know, they're in similar clubs, and, like, you know, it's kind of crazy.
00:26:53.000In fact, the eugenicists over a hundred and fifty years ago, and now this has been in the BBC and all the news, they believe, there was just a big report out of a British university last week, that the elites are their own species because they've been intermarrying for, quote, aggression, intelligence.
00:27:10.000They already believe they're another species and see, Joe, they're going to use the environmental movement.
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00:27:16.000Wow, that's a really interesting theory, like, sort of like It's sort of like a different breed, like different breeds of dogs.
00:27:24.000They say that by like being with like, they say through social Darwinism, the fact that they are in control gives them a right to kill, destroy, poison us, because it's the survival of the fittest, and now they're going to use the environmental movement, which sounds reasonable, to set up a world government, and then have the orderly bioweapon release and kill 80-90% of us.
00:27:47.000You know, that's a really interesting thought.
00:27:49.000The thought that they're a separate species now, or at least a separate race.
00:27:53.000You know, because I've had a lot of dogs.
00:28:37.000And they bred a terrier with a larger bulldog, and they got this dog that was a medium-sized, psychotic animal.
00:28:46.000And then once they got the breed, what they did was they made sure that they only kept alive and breeding the ones that would fight to the death.
00:28:54.000Any dog that would quit, they would kill him, and they wouldn't let him breed.
00:29:07.000And that's the New World Order, brother!
00:29:08.000And they're in control of the bioweapons, they brainwashed the police, and they... No, no, they openly say they're gonna kill us.
00:29:15.000Even though people, like, will frown on conspiracy theories and say, this is ridiculous, you're making a lot of speculation, and you're coming to conclusions that aren't necessarily bound by logic, if you really looked at it that way, just genetically, it is really possible that there are a group of people that are just genetically more inclined to be douchey.
00:29:36.000Genetically more inclined to want to be an elite.
00:29:39.000Genetically more inclined to want to subjugate the population and ruin people's lives.
00:30:07.000See, the common sense that you're agreeing with, and your own, you know, things you discovered on your own, This is separately what, in the last two years, I found out is their whole view.
00:30:17.000I mean, you know about social Darwinism, where they took Darwinism a step further and said, it's good to put people in sausage machines and enslave people and kill protesters because, you know, a hundred years ago, because we're the elite and, you know, the scum isn't an elite because they're scum, we have a right to kill them, when really they're like a cancer malfunctioning who's willing to kill their own people.
00:30:38.000Well, there's got to be something to that.
00:31:02.000They say somebody's going to kill the neighbors.
00:31:04.000They say somebody's going to do it, so we might as well do it.
00:31:07.000Right, but do you think that if you... I mean, there's people that believe that everything in life is natural, and that there's an order to the world.
00:31:16.000It's almost like some gigantic mathematical program.
00:31:50.000I mean, all these people that believe, you know, that, you know, there's hurricanes attacking New Orleans because there's gay people there.
00:31:57.000God wants to punish them for their sloth.
00:31:59.000Maybe not really, but maybe there is a punishment for that.
00:32:05.000Maybe it's not like a hurricane that comes in.
00:32:07.000Maybe it's an increased supply of these people who take advantage of other people.
00:32:13.000Increased supply of companies that are willing to destroy the environment for profit.
00:32:18.000By the way, Joe, I've interviewed the father of weather weapons, meteorologist Ben Livingston.
00:32:22.000In 1967, they had certified they could create hurricanes, kill them, make them stronger, steer them, and there's a lot of evidence that the government was manipulating Katrina and steering it.
00:32:35.000Well, we know for sure that the government can do something to the weather.
00:32:40.000We know they've been working on it for a long time.
00:32:43.000You know, they've been trying to do it for a long time, but to the extent, what they've got, they're not going to tell us.
00:32:49.000You know, so it's all like, who knows whether or not they can actually steer hurricanes.
00:33:51.000Joe, before we go any further, I want to get into the war, electronic voting machines, DMT, ultimate fighting, all of it before Vincent Bugliosi joins us.
00:34:02.000I want to first thank you for taking the time out to join us, especially with having a new baby in the last three weeks.
00:34:07.000And I want to thank you for your friendship and all the laughs you've given me and the times we've had to hang out here in Austin and out in L.A.
00:34:14.000It's good to be talking to you after a few years being out of touch.
00:34:17.000But just anything you want to mention about your website, what you're doing these days, any plugs?
00:34:45.000on the site you've been joe rogan dot net's been around like eight nine years hasn't it yeah i've had it for a while i i've had a message board i've got this crazy message board man and i put it up i think in like 98 or 99 or something like that and this message board has got like a million six hundred thousand posts on it and all these members that post every day they're really cool people like a lot of them like really interesting and intelligent
00:35:11.000and there's these crazy debates on there and some of them are really really nutty like this uh...
00:35:17.000you know there's of course your nine eleven debates and there's u_f_o_ debate then moon landing debate and mixed martial arts debate But it's a really interesting little group of human beings that hang out there all the time.
00:35:55.000I mean, we have the firefighters saying there was molten lava under the other buildings that Jet Fuel couldn't do.
00:36:00.000We have the war games that day, NORAD standing down.
00:36:04.000I mean, I've Well, I question everything all the time about everything.
00:36:07.000you've been on other shows and have now questioned 9/11, which I commend you for doing.
00:36:12.000What makes you question the official story, and how far do you question it?
00:36:17.000Well, I question everything all the time about everything.
00:36:20.000I don't believe anything until it gets into my brain and bounces around and I look at it logically.
00:36:27.000I've seen way too many people just jump to conclusions or pick a side and as soon as they get on that side, they chase that side until they die.
00:36:37.000They never admit that they made a mistake.
00:36:48.000They make an investment, I totally agree, in an idea.
00:36:51.000Once somebody says I'm a reptoid from planet Pop-Tart, they have to only say that and add whatever evidence, or once they say I'm a Vatican assassin of the Keebler Elves, they only, you know, all their slander, all their libel, all their stalking, you know, saying the Zionists run it all and I'm bad, they, you know, because I won't buy into their particular camp, then I have to be the devil incarnate, and they only find evidence to agree with that.
00:37:15.000Well, and people might point that same finger in your direction and say that you look for conspiracy in everything.
00:37:22.000You know, that you believe there's complicity at the highest levels in everything, right?
00:37:27.000And there's some people that would say that there's not enough evidence for that.
00:37:32.000I go off their own Rand Corporation, Carnegie Endowment, their own program.
00:37:37.000You see, what disturbs me the most about you, Alex, is that the stuff that I used to think was completely ridiculous, I'm starting to think is real.
00:37:46.000That's what disturbs me the most about our friendship, is that when I first met Alex, I was like, okay, this dude's really interesting, and he says some stuff that sounds like 40% true, 60% donkey poo, you know?
00:38:01.000But now it's like, it's way more like 70-30.
00:38:05.000You know, it's hard to disagree with you on a lot of things.
00:38:26.000The only way we're really going to know what happens when two giant planes hit two giant buildings is to build two more giant buildings and slam into it with two more giant planes.
00:38:40.000And Building 7 is the one building that I'm always willing to talk to people about because I find it very shocking that nobody thinks it's weird how that building fell.
00:38:49.000That that building kicked in the middle and fell like it was a controlled demolition.
00:39:22.000When you look at the damage in the building, it's to one corner of the building.
00:39:25.000Again, I'm not a scientist, I'm not an engineer, I don't really understand physics that well, but I would assume that if there's a building that's being held up by four corners and one of them has a gigantic hole in it, it's going to fall towards that weak area.
00:39:40.000Why is it collapsing on all these other corners?
00:39:43.000And why is it doing it in such a uniform fashion?
00:39:51.000I don't know if that's what that is, or if that's when buildings fall, or when buildings collapse.
00:39:55.000A lot of Silversteins say, we gave the order to pull it, and gave the order to watch it come down.
00:39:59.000I did hear that he said that, that we gave the order to pull it.
00:40:02.000But, you know, he was dealing with, I mean, I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
00:40:06.000This guy's dealing with this gigantic, cataclysmic event that just happened in a city where thousands of people died, and planes threw into buildings, and his building got jacked!
00:40:17.000And he's just, you know, pull it, pull it.
00:40:18.000Meaning, pull the project of trying to save his building, pull all the firefighters out.
00:40:51.000Well, Joe, what about BBC 25 minutes before it falls, saying Building 7 has fallen in its own footprint, and then it's out the window behind them?
00:41:00.000Okay, well, to play devil's advocate, I could tell you that the firemen maybe had already told the press and warned them to get back, because Building 7, they have deemed, is about to collapse.
00:41:11.000And that got screwed up in the interpretation, again, with this huge cataclysmic event where planes are flying into the buildings, and everybody's freaking out.
00:41:19.000Like, there's all these people, we heard explosions before it happened.
00:41:22.000Do you really remember what happened before planes slammed into buildings?
00:42:36.000In fact, they were going to bomb D.C., they were going to commit sniper attacks, shoot Americans.
00:42:40.000They were going to have Cuban Americans dress up like Cuban Army and attack Guantanamo Bay, and it said mortar and shoot and bomb and kill people.
00:42:47.000Well, that's a horrifying thought, that if this was going on in 1962, in my opinion, the way I look at it, everything evolves.
00:42:58.000Technology involves, entertainment involves, evolves, everything evolves.
00:43:03.000Well, if everything evolves, then evil has to evolve too.
00:43:06.000Okay, and if they're willing to fake attacks on American civilians and kill Americans in order to get us convinced that we need to go to war with a country that had nothing to do with those acts, if they were willing to do that in 62, what are they willing to do in 2008?
00:43:24.000Take the military mentality going back to Alexander the Great, you know, thousands of years ago.
00:43:29.000They would put a few hundred horsemen or a few thousand infantrymen in a gorge or in an area they wanted to attack to pull in the main army.
00:43:36.000And then when the enemy army would come in, it would sacrifice those few thousand, those pawns in the game, collateral damage.
00:43:42.000But then their argument was, but then we won the war and we lost less people total.
00:43:47.000Well, that military idea... You believe that's people that are in a war.
00:43:52.000If you're in a war, I mean, you've got to know that there's tactics and there's pawns.
00:43:56.000If you're paying attention to what war is, what we're dealing with in our society is a lie, like this big, like, ruse.
00:44:04.000Pretending that it's one thing when it's really something else.
00:44:06.000Pretending that there's democracy, when really what we have is this huge, gigantic group of human beings that are controlled by corporations.
00:44:15.000so they're controlled by you're seeing that you of course you've seen i should even ask you that documentary the corporation straight back up writing documentary we're talking about how corporations basically act like sociopaths and that because of theirs there's a gigantic diffusion of the diffusion of responsibility when you have all these people doing something that is compartmentalized and so they all share the blame None of them stab the people in the heart themselves.
00:44:41.000They collectively do it with blinders on, and so... And they say it's all for business.
00:44:46.000And then you... We're doing it in business.
00:44:48.000And then you can't ever stop them, because you go punish one of them, but it's the cellular organization, kind of like what you said an hour ago, or 45 minutes ago, that it's this communal thing, and so you can't ever beat the whole compartmentalized system, because you can only attack certain pieces of it.
00:45:03.000Right, and there's so much vested interest in keeping that corporation alive.
00:45:06.000There's so many mortgages attached to that corporation.
00:45:09.000There's so many kids that are in private school attached to that corporation.
00:45:12.000There's so many, you know, credit card bills.
00:45:14.000They want to keep that organization alive.
00:45:38.000They now are just militarizing, doubling, tripling, quadrupling their numbers, growing wildly, and it's all about protecting themselves now, not the public.
00:45:49.000It's all about, quote, the officers and their system.
00:45:51.000Well, the crazy thing about the cops is the ones who are doing all the work aren't even the ones that I mean, the cops that are out there, you know, that are driving on the streets and are arresting people and, like, if they're really working for the New World Order, they're us!
00:46:08.000They're getting screwed more than anything!
00:46:36.000Well, Joe, I got stories here where a woman's drinking a glass of water and a wine glass with her child, and after going to the dentist and they pull her over in Phoenix and go ahead and take her to jail.
00:47:25.000They have a very stressful, screwed up job.
00:47:28.000It's a compartmentalization, Joe, is what I'm saying.
00:47:30.000But what I'm saying is that if a lady gets pulled over drinking a glass of water, and they lock her in a cage, maybe there's some more to the story.
00:47:52.000Police are now running checkpoints taking blood, Joe.
00:47:55.000Listen, I've seen a lot of videos on YouTube of cops tasering dudes for no reason at all.
00:48:01.000I'm with you, that sometimes things go horribly wrong, and that those dudes are under a constant amount of stress, and sometimes when people don't comply, they have just heard enough, and they pull out that taser, and they blast them, and it makes for a very funny video online.
00:48:47.000I want to get Burmese in here for a minute because he's a big fan of Ultimate Fighting, big fan of yours, and he's one of the guys that made loose change.
00:48:56.000You want to say anything about 9-11 to him?
00:48:58.000I just wanted to check out, he should check out the Amalgam Virgo document.
00:49:00.000He talked about the Northwoods document, but Amalgam Virgo was the drill that they ran in June 1st and 2nd of 2001 where they actually drilled ramming a hijacked airliner into the Capitol building while other attacks were going on.
00:49:14.000And the World Trade Center and Pentagon.
00:49:15.000Yeah, and it had a second part where they were actually going to do live-fly hijack exercises where they were going to have FBI agents on deck with a flight crew and then divert the planes to Alaska.
00:49:25.000So yeah, tell him, which is in Northwoods, but tell him Springman, the head of the embassy, the head, was told these are U.S.
00:49:33.000government agents, let the hijackers back in.
00:49:35.000Yeah, well, we just interviewed him again for this new film.
00:49:37.000Yeah, in the new film, Fabled Enemies, we have J. Michael Springman, who was the consulate at Jeddah in the visa department.
00:49:43.000His job was to give people visas or not give people visas.
00:49:46.000And his thing was, he was not giving a lot of these people visas, and then his superiors would be like, no, you need to give them a visa.
00:49:53.000And they'd say, well, it's national security purposes.
00:49:56.000And then he talked to some of his buddies at the CIA, and they let him know That this was actually a program to bring Islamic militants into the United States to work with their asset, Osama Bin Laden.
00:50:07.000And, you know, the interview is just awesome.
00:50:20.000If there is something like this that happened, say if 9-11 was this gigantic staged act, And that they had set it up in advance and somehow or another had rigged the gigantic buildings so that they would, you know, be... What is it?
00:50:58.000Again, we'll continue behind the scenes right now.
00:51:00.000Joe, I appreciate your incredible courage to say you're even questioning it.
00:51:09.000But what I'm telling you is this was the head of the embassy, and there's another guy who was the head of another embassy section in Canada, not just in Saudi Arabia, saying they were told, hey, these are government agents' assets, let them in.
00:51:27.000That, Alex, is that the FBI had two of these guys staying with an asset.
00:51:32.000In other words, Khalid al-Madar and Nawaf al-Zahami were actually staying with an FBI informant that was handled by an agent named Stephen Butler.
00:51:40.000Yeah, he was living with them in San Diego.
00:51:42.000Now, the official line is that they didn't even know that they were on the terrorism watch list until about two days after the attack, because they were in the United States illegally.
00:51:51.000But then you find out about Abel Danger, And two of these guys, the two guys that were living with the FBI informant, were two of the guys that Able Danger had actually identified.
00:52:35.000Do you believe that it was a remote Well, Joe, we were actually able, last August, to get NORAD's tape so we could listen to what they were hearing.
00:53:27.000But I do want to point out again, you know, they had other hijackings.
00:53:31.000They had hijackings coming out of Canada.
00:53:33.000After the flight 93 was down, they called up Cheyenne Mountain and said, You need to turn off these inputs on the drills because we can't tell which planes are actual hijackings.
00:53:42.000They had a hijacking out of Korea Airlines.
00:53:44.000They had a threat against Air Force One that day.
00:53:46.000Somehow these supposed hijackers had gotten all the secret codes to the NSA, the Secret Service, the FBI, the CIA that morning.
00:55:09.000I believe that these religious experiences that people have had without psychedelics are the result of natural endogenous dumps of psychedelics in your system.
00:55:19.000And this is from reading a lot of people's books.
00:55:29.000You can't really eat DMT, because DMT, your stomach produces something called monoamine oxidase, and it breaks down... You gotta smoke it, but I mean, there's other things that'll make it a hallucinating food, though.
00:55:40.000There's ways that they've been doing it for thousands of years in the Amazon, where they make a brew called ayahuasca, and what it is is the vine of one plant, and then the leaves of another plant, and it's mixed together, so it's DMT is in one of the plants, and the other plant is what's called an MAO inhibitor, a monoamine oxidase inhibitor.
00:55:58.000And what that does is it allows them to take an orally active form of DMT.
00:56:01.000And this drug DMT, you know, you want to call it a drug, it's actually a natural human neurotransmitter.
00:56:07.000And it exists, but I'm just saying to people that don't understand it, it exists everywhere in nature.
00:56:13.000It exists in thousands of different plants.
00:56:16.000It exists in human beings make it naturally.
00:56:19.000They believe the pineal gland is what makes it.
00:56:22.000And what that means, what the pineal gland is, is literally your third eye.
00:56:26.000It's a gland in the middle of your forehead that in reptiles, in some reptiles, it actually has a retina and a cornea and a lens.
00:56:32.000I mean, it literally is the third eye.
00:56:34.000And this is where All the anecdotal evidence points to that this gland is producing this crazy chemical.
00:56:41.000It's produced in your body, wherever it is, whatever makes it.
00:56:45.000When you take this stuff, You encounter the most unbelievably beautiful experience, ultimate wisdom, being in front of something that exposes every single aspect of your personality, of your thoughts, everything you've ever said and done.
00:57:02.000It's like, reads you right through you, connects you to everything in the world, and you're being communicated with.
00:57:09.000Something is talking to you, and it's Whatever it is, you're looking at it and it's constantly changing.
00:57:16.000And it looks like, the way I describe it, I say it's like complex geometric patterns that are made out of love.
00:57:59.000It's not something that you do all the time, though.
00:58:02.000It's something that you do, and then you have to really think about what you learned when you were having that experience.
00:58:08.000Because otherwise, you're going to lose your context.
00:58:12.000The problem with psychedelics is if you do them too much, you lose your connection to this world.
00:58:18.000You lose your connection to people and life and our culture and our society and communication and friendship.
00:58:24.000You lose your connection because the other world is so crazy and so alien to this world that once you've been in it a few times, this world doesn't make any more sense.
00:58:54.000...society and communication and friendship.
00:58:57.000You lose your connection because the other world is so crazy and so alien to this world that once you've been in it a few times, this world doesn't make any more sense.
01:00:15.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:00:20.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:00:26.000Five minutes left with Joe Rogan by himself, and we've got to schedule Vincent Lugliosi, the prosecutor of the Mansett family.
01:00:34.000He's saying George Bush needs to be arrested and indicted for murder.
01:00:38.000So Joe will be riding a shotgun with us for that, and then another 30 minutes after Bill Legosi leaves us, we can get into a bunch of other issues.
01:00:44.000Always love having Joe on with us, and we've certainly waited too long to have him back up.
01:01:21.000And again, please continue about the sleeping world, you know, that reality, and then the waking world.
01:01:28.000Well, that is a lot of speculation about what happens to us when we sleep.
01:01:33.000What they believe is that DMT is produced at large levels during sleeping and during the moment before death.
01:01:40.000And one of the things about the DMT experience that's the most unsettling, or the strangest rather, is that when you pop over there, you feel like you've been there before.
01:01:50.000Like, right away, you're like, oh man, I've been here.
01:02:00.000The idea behind it is that there's something happens to us when we sleep, and that it's very possible that we enter into the DMT world when we're in the period of heavy REM sleep.
01:02:11.000And the reason why they believe that is that one of the reasons is just like a dream.
01:02:17.000You know when you have a dream and you wake up and you're like, whoa, I had the craziest dream.
01:02:22.000Yeah, and five, ten seconds later you can't remember the dream.
01:02:26.000A half an hour later it's like, I had a dream.
01:02:28.000You remember like little flashes of what you were talking about.
01:02:31.000Like maybe if it's really crazy and you were talking about it, then you'll remember because you were talking to someone about it.
01:02:38.000Like you wake your wife up and you just immediately start telling her about your dream, and then she'll kind of remember it, and then she'll remind you, and then you'll remember it.
01:03:01.000But there's people that believe that that is related to DMT.
01:03:05.000The lucid dream and DMT is very closely related.
01:03:11.000Dr. Rick Strassman, he's a guy out of the University of New Mexico, is doing all these crazy studies to try to figure out what is real and what is not.
01:03:20.000He's got this whole Cottonwood Research Foundation that is dedicated to finding out what the levels of DMT are in a bunch of different human different things that we do during the day, different actions, whether it's being scared or whether it's being in love.
01:03:36.000And they're going to do a whole bunch of studies to try to figure out what the levels are.
01:03:41.000Well, all I know is I've had a few dozen dreams, and you always know after them, it's kind of a waking dream.
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01:08:11.000Okay, Joe Rogan, host of the Man Show, Comedy Central, host of Fear Factor, host of a new big show coming out on CBS, host of Ultimate Fighting Championships, top comedian, good friend of mine, he was on with us in the last hour, talking about electronic voting machines, government corruption, you name it.
01:08:29.000He'll be riding shotgun with us for the rest of this hour, but for the next 40 minutes or so, Vincent Bugliosi is our guest.
01:08:37.000He really doesn't need any introduction.
01:08:39.000Mr. Bugliosi was the individual who successfully prosecuted the Manson family and of course had a best-selling book there.
01:08:48.000Things he's written have been made into TV and movies and it goes on and on.
01:08:53.000His new book is The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder.
01:08:57.000Vincent Bugliosi, available at Amazon.com and everywhere else.
01:09:02.000And I tell you, we are really honored to have him on with us.
01:09:05.000And Joe Rogan, again, is going to be riding shotgun.
01:09:07.000And he's really politically active and been exposing what the administration's been doing.
01:09:32.000Yeah, well, Alex, I don't like to see anyone get away with murder, much less over 100,000 murders.
01:09:42.000When you stop and think about the thousands upon thousands of deaths in Iraq and the horror and the screaming and the sea of blood and the incredible suffering there, it's unimaginable.
01:09:54.000And the question is, who's going to pay for all of this?
01:10:11.000This book, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, may put an end to it, may put him where he belongs, in an American courtroom, being tried for murder.
01:10:21.000This, obviously, is the most explosive book of my 30-year career.
01:10:35.000That's Reclaiming History, The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, which is Presently being made by Tom Hanks and his people into a 10-hour miniseries for HBO, but this is the most explosive book.
01:10:48.000I've had 21 successful murder prosecutions, and at this stage in my life, you know, I'm 73, I wouldn't in a million years think of bringing a case against the President of the United States, unless I thought there was sufficient evidence And I was standing on very firm legal ground, and hopefully we'll be able to get into some of the evidence against Bush.
01:11:10.000Well, let me just throw this out, and I've ordered the book.
01:11:13.000I can't wait to read it, sir, and I really respect your opinion on this.
01:11:17.000My problem here is that we have the White House memos ordered by Bush to be written up by John Yoo, by, of course, now Attorney General, then Chief Counsel, Alberto Gonzalez.
01:11:28.000A former Attorney General saying they can torture children sexually with pliers, that they can torture someone to death, and that they didn't mean to kill them, it's okay.
01:11:37.000That right there, isn't that arrestable?
01:11:39.000I mean, isn't that Joseph Mingala-type stuff?
01:11:43.000Yeah, this book has nothing to do with torture.
01:11:47.000When you talk about mass torture, you're talking about the International Criminal Court at The Hague, and they wouldn't even have jurisdiction to go after Bush for this, because the United States was not a signatory nation to the agreement establishing the ICC.
01:12:03.000It's not completely clear that Bush is complicit in this torture thing.
01:12:08.000He issued an executive order In February of 2002, mandating that all detainees are treated humanely, but this book has nothing to do with torture.
01:12:19.000It has something to do with murder, specifically the 4,000 U.S.
01:12:24.000soldiers who died in Iraq fighting Bush's war.
01:12:27.000There's kind of an echo, Alex, when I'm talking, if you can tell your radio guy to take the echo out.
01:12:34.000Okay, we're not getting that on air, sir.
01:12:57.000Do you really think that it is possible that after he's out of office that he could be brought into court and tried for something like this?
01:13:05.000Do you really believe that that's possible?
01:13:07.000Or will Hillary or McCain or Barack Obama pardon him?
01:13:10.000If you're talking about the law, Joe, there's still that echo there.
01:13:14.000If you're talking about the law, Jesus, the echo's getting worse and worse.
01:13:19.000So tell the guy to do something to take away this echo.
01:13:23.000Joe, If you're talking about the law, the evidence is very, very clear that he can be prosecuted for murder once he leaves office.
01:13:33.000Look, I'll give you a classic example.
01:13:35.000In 1974, when Nixon resigned, you're well aware that there was a movement to prosecute him criminally for crimes he committed while he was in office.
01:13:46.000And, of course, Gerald Ford Every word I say is echoing back to me.
01:14:36.000Last week I had Jesse Ventura back on for a second time, and for five minutes the phone company over on ISDN line, where it's supposedly impossible, we have a recording of it, was saying hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, in my ear, over the end here.
01:14:50.000They couldn't hear it on the network end, it was only on one half the ISDN line, but we got it recorded here.
01:16:09.000I mean, I think a lot of people write books saying that, you know, that they think that, you know, he should be... I mean, a lot of people could write books saying that they think that he should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity or war crimes.
01:16:23.000But is that possible that he could be brought in?
01:16:25.000I mean, I know a lot of people share the belief, but is it physically possible?
01:16:29.000Could you ever imagine a president going to jail Or at least going to court and being brought up on charges of his actions causing the unlawful death of other humans.
01:16:43.000We'd have to become so enlightened as a culture, we'd have to move so far beyond where we are now to actually bring this guy in front of a jury?
01:17:01.000We had a great name when 9-11 happened.
01:17:04.000We had all these people all over the world that felt sorry.
01:17:10.000Even in France, there was something in the paper that said something about, today we're all American.
01:17:16.000I mean, that's a pretty amazing thought, that, you know, this horrible tragedy linked all these human beings together and we all felt sympathy for each other, and that somehow or another over the past seven years, that sympathy has been completely eroded.
01:17:47.000It goes back to the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton, 1787, that once a president leaves office, he can be prosecuted for any crime he committed while he was in office.
01:18:00.000There was a movement, a strong movement in America, after he resigned, to prosecute him for crimes like obstruction of justice and wiretapping and subordination to perjury.
01:18:08.000That was all obviated when President Ford granted him a pardon, so there's no question that he has no immunity from prosecution.
01:18:15.000Now, on the other question of the likelihood of this happening, I'll be candid with you.
01:18:21.000I do not believe there's a high probability of this, but I definitely believe there's a substantial possibility that George Bush will, in fact, be prosecuted for murder as a direct result of this book, and the main reason I say this
01:18:37.000is because of the great number of prosecutors in america i've established jurisdiction for in my book i've spent well over a hundred hours in the law library working on this uh... jurisdiction issue he can be prosecuted for the crimes of murder and conspiracy to commit murder under both federal and state law federally the prosecutor would only be the uh... u s attorney general in washington dc acting through his department justice but on a state level on a state level
01:19:03.000I've established jurisdiction for the Attorney General in each of the 50 states, plus the hundreds upon hundreds of district attorneys in counties within these states, to prosecute Bush for the murder of any soldier or soldiers from their state or county who died in Iraq fighting Bush's war.
01:19:24.000With all of these prosecutors, it could number close to a thousand prosecutors.
01:19:29.000And with all of the very powerful evidence of Bush's guilt that I present in my book, it's not unreasonable to believe, Alex, that at least one prosecutor in America, maybe many more, will be courageous enough to say, hey, this is the United States of America, no man is above the law, the evidence of George Bush's guilt is clear, so I'm going to go after him and bring about justice for the American people.
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01:24:20.000I want to get him back on sometime about his JFK info, because I actually disagree with him on that, but he's written the magnum opus on it.
01:24:41.000Okay, without getting into the legal complexities of malice aforethought and vicarious liability, which would be very dry and arcane, I can tell you that if Bush were prosecuted for murder, the central overriding question would be, did he take this nation to war in self-defense?
01:24:59.000If so, it's called justifiable homicide.
01:25:03.000He claims that he took the nation to war in self-defense, his so-called preemptive strike.
01:25:09.000If it came out at the trial, however, that he did not take the nation to war in self-defense, but he took the nation to war under false pretenses, then all of the killings in Iraq of American soldiers would be unlawful killings.
01:25:23.000And being unlawful killings, it would be murder.
01:25:25.000Let me just talk to you about some of the evidence.
01:25:27.000If we have time, we can get into more.
01:25:29.000But I think what I'm going to be telling you is going to be astonishing to you.
01:25:32.000It'll take a little time, but let me explain it to you.
01:25:35.000In George Bush's first speech to the nation, Alex, on Hussein in Iraq, October 7, 2002, Cincinnati, Ohio, he told Americans that Hussein was a great danger to America, either by Hussein attacking us with weapons of mass destruction or giving these weapons to some terrorist group to do so.
01:25:58.000And he said that this attack could happen, quote, on any given day, unquote, meaning that the threat ...was imminent.
01:26:07.000The only big problem for George Bush, and I don't know how he would get around this at the trial, is that on October the 1st, 2002, six days earlier, the CIA sent George Bush its 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, a top-secret, classified report representing the consensus opinion of all 16 U.S.
01:26:32.000intelligence agencies On the issue of whether Hussein was an imminent threat to the security of this country.
01:26:38.000And on page 8 of that report, it clearly and unequivocally says, and what I'm about to tell you, to my knowledge, to my knowledge, has never appeared before in any American newspaper, any major American paper or magazine.
01:26:54.000Page 8 clearly says Hussein was not an imminent threat to the security of this country, He would only be a threat if he feared that America was about to attack him.
01:27:06.000In other words, he would only be a threat if he was forced to fight in self-defense.
01:27:14.000We know then, we're not thinking, we know that when Bush told the nation on the evening of October 7, 2002 that Hussein was an imminent threat to the security of this country, he was telling millions of unsuspecting Americans The exact opposite of what his own CIA was telling him.
01:27:33.000I can tell you, Alex, that even if we had nothing else at all, and there's so much more, this alone shows that Bush took this nation to war on a lie.
01:27:43.000And therefore, all the killings of American soldiers in Iraq were unlawful killings and murders.
01:27:48.000I'd like you to elaborate on this and get Joe's comment, and we'll come back and get into more details.
01:27:52.000We have plenty of time if you've got it.
01:27:54.000That is, not only was there not a threat if they didn't attack, so he lied and created a false threat, but then by going in, he did create a threat in case Saddam had nerve gas or something, and so not only did he lie, but then he did put the United States in a threat.
01:28:17.000On October the 4th, just three days after the October 1st, 2002 classified report, Bush and his people had the CIA issue an unclassified summary version of the October 1st classified report so this could be released to the American people and Congress.
01:28:39.000This unclassified version became known as the White Paper, and in this White Paper that was shown to Congress and the American people, the conclusion of 16 U.S.
01:28:50.000intelligence agencies that Iraq was not an imminent threat to the security of this country was completely deleted.
01:28:58.000From that white paper that was shown to the American people, every single one of those all-important words were taken out.
01:29:09.000I mean, I'm not about, at this stage in my career, to bring a false case against George Bush.
01:29:13.000Mr. Bugliosi, you talk about them being murderers, and they certainly are.
01:29:17.000Aren't you worried about them coming after you?
01:29:20.000Well, that's something I'd rather not talk about.
01:29:22.000I don't want to put the thoughts in people's minds.
01:29:24.000I've had death threats throughout the years in various cases that I've prosecuted for murder, but some people are concerned because What it is, is the right wing in this country, and I'm a moderate, but the right wing has terrified this country, and people are afraid to take on the right wing.
01:29:42.000The right wing is not afraid of the left wing.
01:29:44.000The left wing is terrified of the right wing.
01:29:45.000Mr. Bugliosi, we're going to break, but I'm going to go ahead and skip this break.
01:29:48.000We're going to keep talking to you right now.
01:29:53.000Mr. Bugliosi, we're continuing on air right now.
01:29:56.000I want to come back to the main audience and get more into the oven, but this is key points you're raising, and I'm aware of those points, and you're right.
01:30:02.000The mainstream media has never really put two and two together for people.
01:32:22.000Let me talk about another piece of evidence.
01:32:24.000Well let me stop you Mr. Bugliosi because let me explain what's happening.
01:32:26.000This is a large show and I'm sorry that you had some technical stuff earlier just so you understand.
01:32:31.000It's also TV right now and so during the breaks and in the aggregate millions see this as well.
01:32:38.000We continue as an internet show during the breaks when we're strapped for time.
01:32:43.000The main audience with all the Eminem affiliates is coming back in 20 seconds, so you should recap that they're blackballing the book and then get into more of the evidence with people because I think that's a key point to make.
01:32:54.000So we're going to go back live on the main transmission with you and, of course, Joe Rogan.
01:33:46.000I mean, I used to start out all my books on Good Morning America, the Today Show, I've been on TV hundreds of times, but when they hear this title, the prosecution of George W. Bush for murder, they say, well, you know, we can't get into that.
01:33:59.000Publishers would say to me, Mr. Bugliosi, are you sure you want to publish this book?
01:34:04.000And one put it in black and white, too hot to handle.
01:34:08.000They're terrified of the right wing in this country.
01:34:13.000They're terrified of the Rush Limbaugh's of the world.
01:34:16.000I'm telling you that a shadow of fear has descended on this country and even though the publishers were very sympathetic with what I was saying and recognized the tremendous marketability of this thing, their fear trumped money.
01:34:33.000I'm going to get it out there and the documentary people under my direction Are going to start reaching out very soon to the prosecutors of America to find a courageous American prosecutor to go against this guy George Bush.
01:34:49.000No one now wants to even talk about it.
01:34:51.000That's why I'm happy to be on your show.
01:34:53.000But the mainstream media is terrified.
01:34:55.000They do not want to touch this book at all.
01:35:00.000Joe Rogan had brought up earlier, when we were getting you back on the line, Mr. Bibliosi, that this has destroyed our name, this fraudulent war, these hundreds of thousands of dead, that we have to do something.
01:35:12.000We have to at least speak out against it, because if we don't, it's all being done in our name.
01:36:05.000Every time I see George Bush with a big smile on his face, and I know that young American soldiers who never even had a chance to live out their dream are being blown to pieces by roadside bombs in Iraq, and this guy here, and the evidence is overwhelming, in my book, I have a whole chapter on it, this guy here, while all this horror was taking place, had fun Had fun and lived life to the fullest.
01:36:31.000I'm talking about running, bicycling, joking with friends, laughing back.
01:36:35.000No, no, let me stop you, let me stop you.
01:36:36.000And I mean, Joe's going to throw something in, but I totally agree.
01:36:38.000He lied and said he hadn't played golf since the war started.
01:36:41.000Then mainstream news admitted hundreds of times videoed playing golf.
01:37:53.000I'm going to give you some quotes from this guy, and while I give you these quotes, I want you to try to imagine in your wildest imagination Roosevelt and Truman and LBJ and Nixon during their respective wars saying things like this.
01:38:08.000Right in the middle of this hellish conflict that he created in Iraq with young kids coming home in an aluminum box, and the parents are told, don't open it up because the contents are unviewable.
01:38:37.000He hears reports that eight American soldiers are blown to pieces by roadside bombs in Iraq, and the very next day he's on a street stage in Tbilisi, Russia, swiveling his hips like Elvis to blaring Uh, folk music.
01:38:52.000He has not suffered one day, and I want to put a thought in his mind that he's going to take with him to his grave, that someone may tap him on the shoulder after he leaves office and say, Mr. President, there's some prosecutor up in Fargo, North Dakota.
01:39:05.000We're due up there Wednesday morning, 9 o'clock.
01:40:24.000The two overt acts here that were committed in all 50 states is the lies that George Bush told in Washington, D.C., Cincinnati, That by way of radio and television went into the homes and cars of every state of this union.
01:41:00.000Now once they have jurisdiction for the conspiracy to commit murder, then all murders that were committed pursuant to that conspiracy, the state also has jurisdiction to prosecute for those murders.
01:41:14.000Meaning that if he's exonerated for any one of them by the future president, if the future president decides to absolve him, He still, I mean, there's hundreds of thousands of individual cases you could try him on.
01:42:03.000Let's hope we never have another one like him.
01:42:06.000I want to talk about one other piece of evidence, and there's so much more in my book.
01:42:10.000January the 31st, 2003, close to two months before Bush invaded Iraq.
01:42:20.000Bush and Tony Blair, British Prime Minister, meet in the Oval Office with six of their aides, one of whom was Blair's chief foreign policy advisor, David Manning.
01:42:33.000Is this the White House memo where he talks about painting a U.S.
01:42:46.000Manning wrote in the memo, in the memo, and he wrote it the very, very same day.
01:42:51.000It was a five-page memo stamped, extremely sensitive, that during the meeting, Bush and Blair expressed their doubt that any weapons of mass destruction would ever be found in Iraq.
01:43:04.000Now, this is two months before he goes to war, claiming that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
01:43:09.000But here's where it gets even worse than that.
01:43:12.000Manning wrote that Bush was so worried and so upset over the fact that UN inspectors had not found any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that he talked about, quote, provoking a confrontation with Hussein.
01:43:31.000Three possible ways of doing it, one of which, as you indicated, Alex, Was to fly U-2 aircraft over Iraq, falsely painted in United Nations colors, and Bush said, if Hussein fires on this aircraft, it would be a violation of U.N.
01:43:59.000Anyway, here we have George Bush telling Americans, telling the world, That Hussein is an imminent threat to the security of this country, and we have to strike first in self-defense.
01:44:29.000And isn't that, as a prosecutor, key to show that he consciously, premeditatedly knew he was fixing intelligence around it and trying to provocateur, as the White House memo says, the Downing Street memo says, fixing intelligence around it.
01:44:43.000So that shows that they knew they were lying and it was a fraud.
01:44:52.000The Downing Street memo Is that we decided to go to war, now let's fix the facts to justify the war that we already want.
01:44:59.000The Manning Street Memo, we got George Bush talking about how to provoke Hussein into a war.
01:45:05.000If he felt that Hussein was an imminent threat to the security of this country, the thought of provoking Hussein into a war would never, ever, ever have entered his mind.
01:45:13.000We're talking about bad people here now.
01:45:16.000And they've gotten by with it because of the incredibly inept and spineless media.
01:45:21.000We're talking about media who are literally physiological marvels.
01:45:26.000They're able to sit erect in front of a camera without having a spine.
01:45:30.000I'm talking about the Charlie Roses of the world and the George Stephanopoulos.
01:45:34.000But I'm not going to let this guy get by with it if I can prevent it.
01:45:37.000Okay, Joe Rogan, any questions or comments?
01:46:14.000intelligence agencies, but then they wanted their own bought and paid for agencies, so they have this guy, Fyfe, who's working in the Department of Defense, has no experience whatsoever in intelligence, and this rogue group, on its own, is trying to feed Bush exactly what Bush wants to hear.
01:46:30.000But, Brownie, you're doing a hell of a job.
01:46:59.000attorneys throughout the entire country.
01:47:02.000And theoretically, they could bring the charge also.
01:47:04.000But as a practical matter, it's very, very unlikely that they would go against Bush without the consent of their boss, the Attorney General of Washington, D.C.
01:47:11.000So from a realistic standpoint, on a federal level, we're only talking about one prosecutor, the U.S.
01:47:20.000But on a state level, we're talking about 50 Attorney Generals throughout the country, plus the district attorneys, In counties within those states.
01:47:29.000And I say that it's not unreasonable at all to believe that there's one guy out there, at least one guy, that's going to be courageous enough to step forward and say, I'm going to go after him.
01:47:40.000What I'm saying is, do you believe that in the wake of a Democratic election, if the Democrats win, Do you think that it's possible that people will start looking at this war, at this presidency, looking at it more clearly?
01:47:55.000Yeah, does that increase the chances of... No, I think that after, and it's just speculation, people are concerned about what the Dodgers are doing or the Yankees, their memory.
01:48:09.000It's as permanent as a breath upon the air.
01:48:11.000Well, look what Bush did for Pardongate with Clinton.
01:48:15.000He called Congressman Burton's committee and said, drop your investigation, let's just start anew.
01:48:20.000So there's this tendency to cover up the crimes of the last administration by the new one, because they want to get their back scratched when they leave in four to eight years.
01:48:29.000I think the likelihood of a prosecution here is going to be on a state and local level.
01:48:33.000I don't have any confidence in any Democratic President instructing his Attorney General to bring charges against Bush.
01:48:41.000He's going to probably be catering to the right wing.
01:48:44.000They're all catered to the right wing, but they don't realize that the only way you can cater to the right wing is to change your registration.
01:48:51.000And by the way, I want to say this very, very clearly to your audience.
01:48:55.000Because there's been some suggestion that this is politically motivated.
01:49:00.000I've been a lifetime Democrat only because I am always for the little guy, and unless there's some compelling reason to be otherwise, I'm for the little guy.
01:49:10.000But my political orientation is not rigid.
01:49:12.000I supported McCain's run for presidency in 2000.
01:49:16.000And in my professional career, whether I'm prosecuted a murderer, Well, whether I'm writing a true crime book, credibility has always meant everything to me.
01:49:26.000Well, Vincent Bugliosi, we understand this isn't left or right, and we understand this is a conservative-slash-libertarian show, so we don't really get into the whole left-right paradigm.
01:49:34.000I would love to invite you back on to get into a part two of this book in the next month or so, sir.
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01:55:05.000Joe, it has been real fun having you on, and I tell you, I'm glad that Off-Air you've agreed to come on every few months, because I really look forward to it.
01:55:14.000Well, the last time I was on was, like, September 11th, I think.
01:55:20.000Yeah, well, you know, I just thought you were jumping to conclusions about it.
01:55:24.000And who knows, like I said, as time changes, the more, you know, you look at events of the past, the more I look at what's going on in the present, the more I think, wow, I mean, how crazy is reality?
01:55:50.000I read in government biology reports, because I'm a weirdo, I read stuff like that, in 1998 that there were half-human, half-cow creatures being grown in South Korea, in cows, for harvesting their DNA.
01:56:03.000Now, that finally hit the BBC two weeks ago.
01:56:06.000I think that's, I always said that if they're telling you that they can clone people, the guy telling you might be a clone.
01:56:24.000But, you know, like decades ago, come on, nothing got out.
01:56:28.000If they wanted to hide something, that's what people don't understand.
01:56:32.000When people look at, like, hiding things and conspiracies, they look at, like, a possible conspiracy, like, how difficult it would be to do in 2008.
01:56:39.000I mean, we compare it to the context that we think about it in is our life now, in the age of information.
01:56:51.000Just a decade ago, just ten years, just a few thousand days.
01:56:57.000No one had this kind of access to information.
01:56:59.000We're googling things in your iPhone and the high-speed internet everywhere virtually and Wi-Fi and so many different places.
01:57:09.000Well Joe, a lot of... This is a different world we live in.
01:57:11.000You're right, a lot of professors and...
01:57:13.000Information technology experts and security experts, people I've talked to, say that the establishment is still run by like 70, 80, 90 year old men and they thought they could carry out a 9-11 like they did with JFK and be able to cover it up and control the info.
01:57:27.000They didn't even realize, even though they had think tanks telling them, that things have changed today, but they're still able to suppress a lot of the different secret aircraft they had, like the SR-71, Uh, it was in service in the early fifties, wasn't declassified until the seventies.
01:57:42.000Uh, in 1970 they already had the B-2 bomber out.
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02:00:45.000His call is coming up after the break.
02:00:47.000But Joe, there is so much to discuss, so much going on.
02:00:51.000Going back to a discussion we were having 45 minutes ago, DMT, which is a naturally occurring chemical in the brain associated with dreaming, associated with these out-of-body experiences, because I've read up on it as well, And I was telling the story, and folks, the government believes this.
02:01:06.000We're going to get General Stubblebine, a three-star general, back on.
02:01:09.000We're lining him up, because George Clooney's making a movie about him with the writer that wrote a book about me in Bohemian Grove, John Ronson.
02:01:16.000Jack Black's making a movie about that, making fun of me and others, called Them.
02:01:20.000But this is a separate book, The Men Who Stare at Goats.
02:01:22.000And I've had Stubblebine on, and he believes that he can astrally project.
02:01:26.000This is a former special forces commander of all special forces.
02:01:30.000They train the special forces to do this.
02:01:34.000I never get into weird stuff like that, except that the government believes it, and they've experimented with DMT and other hallucinogens and other chemicals that are naturally in the body, or things that trigger those natural things.
02:01:44.000That's all drugs do, is trigger other things in your body.
02:02:04.000But over and over again, I've had a dream, say, when I'm 10, about on a golf course in front of my parents' house, they're going to build a house there and...
02:02:13.000And, you know, I pictured myself walking in, looking out at, you know, at a window at night, and I would have the dream recurring.
02:02:19.000Then years later, they built a house there, and me and friends as teenagers went in and looked out that very window on that golf course, and a dog I saw in the dream run across the golf course, came running across.
02:02:31.000This wasn't like deja vu, where I told people about this dream.
02:02:35.000But I've had dreams where I was mugged in the very guy, the very shirt, and these dreams are always very upsetting is how I know it's real and going to come true.
02:02:43.000But Joe wanted to get back into that with DMT experiences.
02:02:47.000Well, first of all, the Army Research Group has known about DMT since the 60s.
02:02:53.000The way Terence McKenna found out about DMT is he had a friend who was a scientist who was working for the Army Research Group, and this guy brought home some DMT.
02:03:10.000Something that they were experimenting with.
02:03:12.000They were trying to figure out what it is.
02:03:14.000So they've known about it for a long time.
02:03:15.000The fact that they've been able to keep this under wraps is really crazy.
02:03:20.000The fact that they've been able to keep this substance a secret.
02:03:22.000I mean, if it was a plot in a movie, you would never believe that they'd be able to keep this a secret.
02:03:27.000If there was a plot in a movie, and in the movie there was a powder that existed, this substance, this compound, that existed in almost everything, It exists in all these different kinds of plants, and people make it in their own bodies, and this substance allows you to have, essentially, an experience where you're communicating with something above reality, something above You, whether it's a god, or whether it's angels, or whether it's some sort of an inter-dimensional intelligence.
02:05:30.000I want to just continue because the ad cut you off, but let's just continue because this will be much bigger later on the web itself.
02:05:36.000Well, it's very possible that there's an infinite number of things that we can't perceive.
02:05:42.000And the way I describe it is, and I want to talk about this, I would like to talk about this on the radio because it's a really big point, and the point is that there's a thing that I like to call the fart principle, and it's a goofy way of describing it.
02:05:54.000Alright, well the fart principle is so key, let's talk about it after we come out to the main audience, but going back, judging some behind the scenes stuff, how's your life going?
02:06:15.000I think I just try to live my life and have as much fun as possible, be as nice to people as possible, have a bunch of good friends and good experiences, and pursue my interests.
02:06:24.000And I think that if you do that, you're going to have a happy life.
02:06:27.000I think that one of the keys to having a happy life is what we were talking about earlier when we were talking about the Illuminati and all these people in control of the world, that they can't possibly be happy because they're not being nice to people.
02:06:41.000You're causing hundreds of thousands of people to die unnecessary deaths and suffer and poor soldiers to come back from this horrible war and be disfigured and just ruined and have to struggle to get their medical benefits.
02:07:08.000I mean, I think if there's anything that's going to save the world, it's that realization.
02:07:12.000But then it goes back to what we were talking about before.
02:07:14.000Is it possible to enlighten a psychopath?
02:07:18.000Is it possible to enlighten a psychopath?
02:07:20.000I think it is to show them that even if they're mentally don't care about others and are really sadistic psychopaths, the worst type, and you've got sociopaths, psychopaths, and sadistic sociopaths, to explain to them that tearing up the world ends up coming back on them.
02:07:36.000Yeah, maybe, but they don't see it every day because I have a feeling that a lot of karma is how you feel about things.
02:07:42.000And if you don't feel bad about what you're doing, I don't necessarily think it comes back to you.
02:09:23.000It's a silly name, but the reason why I call it that is because the idea behind it is if you look at reality and how you perceive reality, we look through our eyes, we smell through our nose, we hear things, Well, if somebody farted around you and you couldn't smell, if you didn't hear it, you'd have no idea that anything was going on.
02:09:45.000If you didn't have a sense of smell, there'd be something invisible that you would not be able to detect, and you'd be just...
02:09:53.000Sitting in someone's stink and not even knowing about it, right?
02:09:56.000How do we know that there are an infinite number of things that we can't detect?
02:10:02.000And we can't even imagine because we just don't have the sensitivity to it.
02:10:06.000Well, the mathematical equations show that, Joe.
02:10:08.000It shows there are other dimensions all around us.
02:10:21.000But from what I understand, you know, when you hear these guys talking about quantum physics and things, that they actually can sort of mathematically show that it's possible for there to be 11 different dimensions.
02:10:32.000But what I'm saying is, how do you know it's not infinite?
02:10:35.000How do you know that everything is not infinite?
02:10:37.000That what we're existing in is a very narrow bandwidth, a very narrow bandwidth of, you know, several dimensions we can see and touch and hear.
02:10:45.000And how do we know that there's not an infinite number of other possibilities that our imagination can't even perceive?
02:11:04.00080-year-old German quantum mechanics expert said that if Saturn is a gas giant, its mass should express some 7th or 8th dimensional vortex and that on its poles it would have giant ice hexagons.
02:11:21.000And then when Voyager flew over the top, it had a perfect hexagon on the top.
02:11:27.000And then they said it will express on a vortex, and it ended up expressing.
02:11:34.000Yeah, I mean, what science has been able to predict and perceive, you know, in regards to anything in space, black holes and hypernovas and all, I mean, it's just more and more evidence of how infinite and vast everything really is.
02:11:48.000And that's one of the things that you see in the DMT experience.
02:11:52.000One of the craziest things about the DMT experience is you have the feeling that you're connecting to everything All around you all at once, like you're in the center of the universe, that like you're a part of every atom, and every atom is you, and you're connected to it all, which we really are.
02:12:19.000We're all connected to this gigantic organism called the Earth, and that's connected to space, which is connected to other planets.
02:12:25.000I mean, everything really is all connected.
02:12:28.000It's just a gigantic illusion that we're separate.
02:12:32.000But, as you said, to a psychopath, they don't recognize that when they kidnap a kid and torture him to death, that really hurt and destroyed an entire family and tore their guts out because they don't have an olfactory nerve.
02:12:44.000They don't understand that they just went to the picnic party and diarrhea all over everything.
02:12:50.000I think they did a lot worse than that, but yeah, I mean, that's the real problem with karma, is people look at karma and they go, well, if karma is real, how come a guy like Bush is happy?
02:13:01.000Well, to a regular person, karma does work, and the way karma works is, you put out good feelings, you put out positive energy and love and happiness, and you get that back, and you feel this exchange.
02:13:14.000But if you don't feel, if you're broken, if you're missing something, a portion of whether it's a personality issue or whether it's a mental imbalance, like there's a connection that's not being made inside your mind somehow, and you don't feel other people's pain, if you're one of those people, then really karma is not the same for a person if you're one of those people, then really karma is not the Because they're not going to feel the bad.
02:14:23.000It is a horrible thing, but I think that it's very possible that all the stuff that human beings do is a part of, like, a gigantic mathematical program, and that there is always going to be a mouse, and there's always going to be a cat, and there's always going to be a dog, and there's always going to be a person.
02:14:40.000There's a balance that's set up to everything, and there's always going to be idiots, and there's always going to be psychos that take advantage of those idiots.
02:14:47.000And all you can do is try to steer this thing in the most positive direction possible, and steer it in a way and explain to people in a way that they say, well, maybe I should live my life thinking of other people as if they're just like me.
02:15:01.000That we're all the same thing, experiencing this life through different circumstances.
02:15:06.000That's the only hope that we have as a race.
02:15:09.000If we can somehow or another think of all human beings as being the exact same thing at the base, like whatever you are is exactly the same as me.
02:15:20.000If you were born me and you lived and had all my life experiences and all my The things that I've done in my memories and my genetics, and you live to this point in time where I'm talking to you on the phone right now, you would be me talking to you on the phone right now.
02:15:37.000Well, expanding on that Joe, I see it as a crime against the universe to try to dumb people down, to try to limit their creativity, to try to limit the spectrum of experience and expression that they have.
02:15:52.000And so I know there's always good and evil.
02:15:54.000It's certainly a crime, Alex, but isn't it possible that these people who commit these crimes, like that's a natural part of the whole evolutionary process.
02:16:03.000But that's my point, is they're out of control.
02:18:39.000I'm not one of these milquetoast guys that call up and act like I, you know, I just try to To get things out in the light, to show people that you're 100% genuine in what you do.
02:18:51.000Well let me say this, I try to be genuine, I try to tell the truth.
02:18:57.000Last week I did the analogy of how they kept the B-2 bombers secret and I got the years wrong.
02:19:02.000But the point is, I try to tell the truth, I try to get it right, and I'm doing this because I love people, and I'm doing this because I hate abusers and bullies, and I've always hated them.
02:20:24.000And I'm trying to get people together to try to figure out a way to unite.
02:20:31.000Get us behind me, the continental organization.
02:20:34.000And I know you're having a big money bomb coming up for yourself.
02:20:37.000Well, I mean, yeah, I didn't start the money bomb.
02:20:39.000Listeners did, but I mean, I'm for it.
02:20:42.000But the amount it's going to raise is going to be paltry compared to what I need to really expand the operation.
02:20:47.000But regardless, you know, like Joe said, we're all just part of something bigger, so whatever we can do is what was meant to happen.
02:20:52.000Yeah, what I'm trying to say is, like, we need maybe a continental organization where maybe you get 9-11 Truth and you to be the founder because you started this, you know.
02:21:02.000This is all, everybody's waking up because of you and what We Are Change is doing.
02:21:07.000Everybody is waking up, Anthony, because people are like you.
02:21:12.000You know, Joe can say the things he says, or I can say the things I say, but if people don't then carry the ball and tell others, nothing happens.
02:21:20.000You know, people always call me and thank me for what I'm doing, Joe, but really I see it as I'm a tiny little node, and then it's the listeners.
02:21:28.000They're the ones that give this show the effect it has.
02:21:31.000Well, you know, you're doing what you're supposed to be doing, what your personality is designed for.
02:21:37.000You're supposed to be uncovering all these things and exposing all these things.
02:22:48.000And I see them getting us more and more herded into compact control grids and having released controlled bioweapon releases that get worse You know, each one, as they tighten things down, always in the name of keeping us safe, until they've killed the vast majority of us.
02:23:02.000That is their public plan, and my God, it's horrific, but that's really... And they want to kill the vast majority of us because, supposedly, there's too many human beings, and we have an overpopulation problem.
02:23:13.000Which they can even argue is true, but then when you read, back in the sixties, they said, in the Club of Rome, and then in the Royal Commission on Human Rights in the fifties, out of Britain, they said, We're actually going to let the third world overpopulate as a weapon to keep them down, and then not let them get new technologies, and then we'll just kill the mass of them later.
02:23:35.000The worst stuff you can imagine, the most horrible, cold-blooded thing you can imagine, you imagine that, that's what they're doing.
02:23:42.000I mean, I can usually imagine the evil they're doing, and then I find their own documents saying it later.
02:23:46.000You know, like, I'll have this many pieces of the puzzle, and then I can go, well, but the next piece is this, and then when I find that piece, it's not me finding it and trying to cram a square peg in a round hole, I cram, you know, I put it in, it pops in perfectly.
02:23:58.000Now, do you think that this result is inevitable, or... Stay there, let's talk about it on air.
02:24:03.000Okay, it's kind of helter-skelter crazy how I do this, because I'm doing behind-the-scenes radio show on the InfoWars streams, and then come back to everybody after the break.
02:24:18.000More of your calls coming up, I don't know how we're going to get to them all.
02:24:20.000Joe Rogan is guest hosting, I guess riding a shotgun with us today.
02:24:24.000Joe was asking me a question during the break about what's the master plan, and I said stage more terror, stage bio-attacks, until we're all into herded cities and then wipe out the majority of us.
02:24:49.000Well, I was saying, do you think that it's possible that there's a solution to this in the form of technology?
02:24:55.000And do you think that maybe with the access to information that we have now, as it advances and becomes more and more instant, that human beings really will be connected in a much more tangible way than they are now?
02:25:09.000That once we have some sort of embedded technology, whether it's a chip in your brain, or whether it's something new that we can't even imagine yet, that allows you to access direct contact with information.
02:25:25.000Like, almost like being able to get on the internet without a computer.
02:25:29.000Yeah, again, it's a double-edged... Everyone together in this one big grid.
02:25:33.000And if that is possible, I mean, look, the internet itself is the craziest idea ever.
02:25:37.000So crazy that they never even thought about it for a second on Star Wars or Star Trek or any of those things.
02:25:50.000No one, even the government, had any idea that the internet could be what it is right now.
02:25:55.000This insane, immediate access to information, Google searching, all the different stuff that we have now, websites... Joe, you know what's amazing?
02:26:04.000You always keep saying things that are actually things I've studied, and I get the idea you're organically seeing it extrapolated out.
02:26:10.000Actually, in 93, declassified, January 7, 2000, the Army War College came out.
02:26:18.000The Federation of American Scientists published it.
02:26:19.000It's in my book, Descent into Tyranny.
02:26:21.000And they said that by 2024, their job will be inserting everyone in the world into racks.
02:26:27.000You know how in Tokyo, most people in the city now live in these racks, like coffins that come out of the wall?
02:26:34.000Where you sleep and look at, well they're gonna, the government's job will be inserting you with this, this is where the Matrix actually came from, and that we'll all be wireheads because the pleasure centers will be, you know the studies with rats thirty years ago where it only punches the pleasure center till it dies, and so, and so whereas that could empower us to all communicate with each other and be free, they're gonna be running the program and only using it to control us so we accept going into the rack and then being killed.
02:27:01.000Well, maybe Alex, that really is a form of evolution.
02:27:05.000Have you ever thought about the idea that machines and technology and all the things that we use to advance our lives, these things that are constantly improving and constantly being innovated and changed.
02:27:20.000But I consciously want to warn people about that danger.
02:27:23.000But have you ever thought that these machines are almost like a symbiotic form of life that we share our existence with?
02:27:31.000I mean, if you didn't define life as biological, if you didn't define life as something that lives, dies, and rots, and gets eaten by bacteria, and you looked at just cars...
02:27:41.000You would look at something that needs humans, because humans have to design it, and humans have to operate it.
02:27:47.000But Joe, what I'm saying... I understand what you're saying, but... Humans need these things to move on.
02:27:51.000Isn't it possible that it is some sort of a symbiotic form of life, and that we may eventually evolve to the point where we become one with it, and that's our destiny?
02:28:01.000Well, that is... That might be what technology is doing, Alex.
02:28:03.000That is what the transhumanist, post-humanist believe, and what I'm saying is... Well, maybe that's what their goal is.
02:28:10.000Maybe they don't even realize what their purpose is.
02:28:12.000Maybe they don't realize that their purpose is to get technology to a point where it can think rationally outside of human emotions and animal instincts.
02:28:21.000But the problem is... It's been a real Cylon.
02:28:25.000What they're doing is, though, the globalists are engineering the architecture through their psychopathic mind.
02:28:32.000The new life form they're creating, you know, we are creators of the image of God, is a system for dehumanization and control.
02:28:42.000So I'm not saying this couldn't be designed to empower... It could be designed to probably empower us, but I'm telling you, look who's building it.
02:29:02.000What if there was a species far more evolved than human beings are today?
02:29:07.000What if they were 100% loving and 100% honest and 100% aware of each other and communicated with each other like instantly and it was all positive?
02:29:18.000100% positive and this organism this new species was being threatened by humans wouldn't humans look like something that you would need to wipe out we're a huge problem we're crazy we need to continue I think that other group sounds boring and we're going to You hear that?
02:31:00.000The same guys that did that have decided to do a money bomb for me, but obviously the money bomb thing's kind of been used now.
02:31:05.000I don't expect it to be that big, but they want to help me, you know, donate money, because I'm not, you know, a big TV star or anything, so we can expand our offices and get better equipment.
02:31:14.000I didn't think it up, but everybody's getting behind it, and, you know... We can all support it, though.
02:31:18.000I need Joe Rogan to be my sugar daddy.
02:31:22.000Now, we all can help out and support you.
02:31:41.000Crash is the guy that designed my new isolation tank.
02:31:45.000He's this crazy genius that lives in Venice.
02:31:48.000And what, the difference, if you don't know what an isolation tank is, it's a tank that was created by this guy, his name was invented by this guy named John Lilly, who was a psychedelic pioneer from the 70s, and what he wanted to do was figure out a way, he actually invented it in the 50s, he wanted to figure out a way to separate the human body from the influence of sensory input.
02:32:09.000And what he, what he designed was a tank that's filled with water that's warm, and it's heated up to the same temperature as the surface of your skin.
02:32:49.000It doesn't usually get as intense as that.
02:32:51.000It's much more like... But I mean, some of the same chemicals, I believe, are being released.
02:32:55.000There are some psychedelic chemicals that are being released during this experience.
02:33:00.000But, and the other thing about this experience is, the best thing about it is, you know, if you're the type of person that gets freaked out by these kind of things, it ends any time you want to.
02:33:08.000It's not like you take mushrooms, you have to wait five hours before you come down.
02:33:11.000You just open the door, and then you're fine.
02:33:13.000I'm surprised they haven't tried to make that illegal yet.
02:33:16.000I know, it's kind of shocking, because it's, uh, it's... I'll tell you what, we're going back on, here we go.
02:33:28.000All right, let's go back to Joe Rogan.
02:33:30.000He was talking about his century deprivation tank, which is like the experience of the womb.
02:33:35.000No drugs involved, you just think you're floating in weightlessness back in the womb.
02:33:40.000Altered States, the movie's about that.
02:33:42.000And they're inside the salt tank, water and salt, near body temperature.
02:33:48.000And Joe, you were talking about the experience because a caller, who I guess is friends with you, William in California, still on with us, was bringing it up.
02:33:56.000I'm actually giving away, I got a new tank design and I'm giving away my old tank online.
02:34:02.000If you go to JoeRogan.net and you sign up for my mailing list, at the end of June I'm giving away my isolation tank and I'll have it delivered to your house and someone will set it up.
02:35:32.000Well, it'll definitely be eye-opening, because a lot of people run from reality, and when you get in an isolation tank, there's nowhere to run.
02:35:40.000You might not even think you run from reality, but there might be something you're running from.
02:35:44.000I'm gonna get in one, and I'm gonna report back what happened.
02:36:03.000Now, you've had good experiences with this naturally occurring chemical, Joe, that you've taken.
02:36:08.000Other people, though, some people have bad experiences.
02:36:11.000Well, the experiences that people are having, the reason why they're having bad experiences, so-called bad, is because they can't handle the experience.
02:36:22.000He said that it's almost possible that you could die from astonishment.
02:36:27.000Now, let's be clear, this all came from the military, and now... Well, it didn't come from the military, it's been used by the Amazons, and... No, I'm in our modern... I'm in our modern... Yes, well, it was... I don't know the exact history of it, or I don't recall... Well, let me tell people the history.
02:36:44.000I believe it was synthesized in 1931, and I think they... there's a bunch of people that went down to the Amazon, and they brought this stuff back, and they initially called it telepathy.
02:36:57.000Because one of the chemicals in one of the plants, they labeled it telepathine because it literally allowed people to telepathically communicate.
02:37:06.000Then they realized that this chemical that they labeled telepathine was actually already labeled.
02:37:13.000So through the rules of scientific nomenclature, the original name stuck.
02:37:17.000But they tried to name it telepathine after they figured out what it did.
02:37:21.000Well, let me go back and comment on that, Joe, since you raised it.
02:37:24.000I mean, you know LSD was big in the 40s with the Skull and Bones crowd, the owners of Time, Life, Books, others.
02:37:30.000They were taking it, and then they decided to give it to the college kids, so they put the ingredient list out, you know, black sedans pulling up, the CIA put it all over the U.S.
02:37:46.000Well, they thought it'd be used to control people, then they decided it was actually freeing people's minds, so they banned it.
02:37:51.000So now all there is is the toxic, dirty junk that's out there from people having to mix too many chemicals to get the same thing.
02:37:57.000But yes, I mean, the first time I heard... Well, that's the crazy thing, Alex, about DMT, is that you really can't stop the source of it, because it's in so many different plants.
02:38:11.000You can, there's many, many plants that you can find online that contain this chemical.
02:38:16.000And DMT is like, the way I describe it is like mushrooms times a million plus aliens.
02:38:23.000I mean, it is the most mind-blowing psychedelic experience.
02:38:27.000You will never... What happens metabolically?
02:38:29.000What happens to the heart rate and things when you're on this?
02:38:31.000Well, you know, it can be dangerous if you have high blood pressure.
02:38:34.000One of the things that they found, um, that was a little scary during the, uh, DNP experiences, where the people's blood pressure would go through the roof because they would freak out.
02:38:43.000But it's really because you're, I mean, like McKenna said, that you're almost dying of astonishment.
02:38:48.000You know, astonishment is a big theme in the DMT experience, and when you go over there, one of the first things that these DMT speakers... Listen, I'm already, I'm already in that.
02:38:57.000One of the first, hold on a minute, one of the first things they try to communicate with you is to try to not give into that astonishment.
02:39:04.000They literally say to you, do not give in to astonishment.
02:39:07.000And this is something that McKenna had said, and when I experienced it, it was like I was hearing his words bounce back to me from these creatures as if they knew that I had read all McKenna's stuff, that I was preparing for this.
02:39:24.000You're talking to, like, ultimate wisdom, ultimate love.
02:39:28.000And just intelligence so beyond your grasp that you can't even really... It's like flying through your brain and you're trying to grab hold of it as it's passing.
02:40:16.000And when you come down from it, when you come back to reality, it's very difficult to assimilate.
02:40:21.000And I think that's one of the reasons why you forget about it so quickly.
02:40:25.000Now, have you videotaped yourself while, after, like, because you don't remember what's going on, while it's happening, have you videotaped yourself while this is going on?
02:40:33.000No, I videotaped, I've turned on the video camera and talked about it after it's over.
02:41:00.000It's so earth-shattering that you have to have a very good foundation in terra firma, a very good... Well, see, I have that, Joe, but I'm also already so sensitive, and I don't want to get into it.
02:41:16.000And if they're correct, if these people that believe that it happens during REM sleep, that it happens when we die, if they're correct, you're going to experience it whether you like it or not.
02:41:24.000And maybe what it is is having a peek at the future, having a peek at what else is possible out there.
02:41:36.000Maybe that's why we can figure it out.
02:41:38.000Maybe that's what my whole purpose in this life has been.
02:41:41.000Maybe my whole reason for getting famous, for everything I've ever done, for all these different areas that I work in, whether it's comedy or Ultimate Fighting Championship or television shows or anything, maybe my whole purpose in this world is to introduce people to this crazy experience.
02:41:58.000Because I cannot believe that there's something that's been around since the 1950s that's this powerful, that's not on the front page of every news story, that's not on CNN 24 hours a day.
02:42:30.000But I have to say, you know, we kind of fell out of touch.
02:42:32.000You're busy, I'm busy, and I think you've changed from when I first knew you nine, ten years ago.
02:42:37.000I mean, you weren't bad then, you were a nice, smart guy then, but Joe, I think you're more articulate now, and you were always articulate, but I think you have changed, you know, towards the positive.
02:42:47.000Do you think that this chemical's done that to you?
02:42:51.000All of the psychedelic experiences I've had, whether they've been the natural ones, like the isolation tank, or whether they've been from mushrooms, or DMT experiences, or cannabis...
02:43:01.000Any of the different psychedelic experiences that I've had have changed me for the better, 100%.
02:43:05.000They've made me more honest, they've made me more aware, they've made me more humble, infinitely more humble.
02:43:12.000The better and the better I get at everything in life, the more humble I get.
02:43:16.000That's another thing that I've realized.
02:43:18.000The better I get at comedy, the more I don't even feel like I'm doing what I'm doing.
02:43:22.000When I do comedy, it feels like I'm like, tuning into something like I turn on an antenna and I do and the more I think about it that way the better I get at it and if I start to think about it as something that I do or attach myself to it or attach my ego to it then it starts to suck it's only good when you appreciate it for it it's only good when you're you're free of the ego and that's what psychedelic experiences are all about it It's all about abandoning the ego.
02:43:49.000It's all about letting go of all your predetermined ideas and predetermined patterns of behavior and seeing this whole experience for what it really is, which is mind-boggling.
02:44:01.000The layers upon layers upon layers that exist in this existence right now that you and I Both living and are fascinating.
02:44:19.000You think that you know what it's like to see a person come out of a person, but when you actually are there and you see yourself, a creation of your genetics, come out of another No, it's all heavy duty.
02:44:57.000If you're paying attention, life is infinitely... There's another quote that... I forget who the dude was that said it, but he said, not only is life stranger than you suppose, it's stranger than you can suppose.
02:45:10.000And that's a brilliant quote to whoever said it.
02:45:48.000Most people live their life like gigantic children.
02:45:51.000You know, and that's what I was talking about earlier when I was saying that it's almost like there's like a mathematical program to life.
02:45:57.000It's almost like we need all these different lemmings, and we need all these different silly people that join cults and believe in crazy religions and support the government no matter how atrocious their behavior is.
02:46:09.000And we need people who are the head of industry to be sociopaths, and we need people who are, you know, people like Deepak Chopra who are spiritually enlightened to show us a new way.
02:46:20.000It's almost like this is just a gigantic program that's moving towards some ultimate goal.
02:46:24.000and what is that ultimate goal that the big question that you know i mean that's like the big thing behind what people believe two thousand twelve will be well i do believe that we have of free will and that we are individually not that the others overarching program but i believe we had to that and that it's us giving that choice like this giant work of art that's constantly change that that's a great way to describe it a giant work of art
02:46:48.000But it's possible, Alex, that we do have free will, but that free will may be a part of the program.
02:46:55.000I mean, it may all be what motivates us to ultimately pursue our natural intention.
02:47:00.000Well, I'm just telling you, creatures that can have a dream that comes true exactly, that's a creature that can create.
02:47:15.000I mean, like I said, this creation, the idea of us communicating on the radio is way crazier than the idea of someone being able to see a reality before it happens.
02:47:25.000That's just, the only thing that's crazy about the ability to see the future like you have in your dreams is that we don't do it every day.
02:47:45.000Not only that, people are going to get a hold of this tape, they're going to put it on YouTube, and it's going to hit millions and millions more people, and they're going to tell their friends about it.
02:47:54.000And then these ideas that we're talking about right now are going to be introduced to people that would never have thought of this all over the world, and it's going to change the way they think about things.
02:48:04.000And then they're not going to care what their bosses mean to them, because the boss has got the problem.
02:48:08.000They're not going to care if they're not as, quote, beautiful, according to Madison Avenue, because it's the beautiful mind, it's what's going on inside their head.
02:48:44.000You know, I believe that we're entering hard times.
02:48:46.000It's going to gradually get worse and worse, but I believe, you know, that God, you know, that free will is part of the program.
02:48:52.000And the elite's trying to block that right now.
02:48:54.000Free will may be part of the program, but my point is that free will may be a part of this giant mathematical program that we look at as, oh, you can change the future.
02:49:05.000Maybe it is your design to try to change the future, to see the beauty and the love and the positivity in things, and to go in that direction.
02:49:16.000Well, it's part of the programming that we've been given free will to make the choice.
02:49:19.000If we look at all the other animals on the planet that do all the different things they do, wolves with their alpha male behavior, ants with their communication, no history, no writing.
02:49:31.000But, you know, now they've looked at the genetics, they've now looked at the coding, and I've had top scientists on, and they're saying it looks like it was built.
02:49:39.000Not just by, quote, out of the mud, Mother Nature, designed.
02:49:43.000Right, but maybe the universe designs itself.
02:49:47.000What people aren't understanding when they want to talk about a designer or a creator, it's very possible that nature is so powerful that it designs itself.
02:51:16.000Yeah, whenever you, whenever someone breaks through and starts getting a lot of attention, you know, there's always going to be people that don't think he deserves it, especially if it happened quickly, like with Kimbo.
02:51:27.000You know, he just fought some people on YouTube and then bang!
02:51:30.000You know, instantly, you know, he's famous and he's all over CBS and people are like, I've been fighting for 10 years and this is ridiculous.
02:51:36.000Oh, listen, I've got other talk shows calling me up and gloving around for 20 years.
02:51:48.000This isn't about some... And that's another thing is, I never grew up being jealous and envious and things like that, unless it was over women.
02:51:59.000I hate it when people operate with me on a level of jealousy or envy.
02:52:02.000I'm only wanting to continue my mission, but I refuse to let other people dominate and control me.
02:52:10.000And I mean, Joe, I know you're the same way.
02:52:11.000You don't have people trying to put their thumb on you, and then I hate the aggression that brings out in me when somebody tries to beat me, and then I crush them.
02:52:47.000The real problem, Alex, is that there's not a workbook or a guidebook to how to live life.
02:52:52.000The real problem is that when people are confronted with all sorts of emotions and jealousy and problems, There's not something that's there that can show them, whether it's a, you know, like a, I don't want to say a government institution, but like some sort of a cultural institution that explains to human beings what is going on with their behavior.
02:53:15.000Well, we've had that with all these fake religions, and then they all fight with each other, you know, trying to claim who's got the best handbooks.
02:53:37.000Hey, I have an experience I just want to relay real quick.
02:53:41.000I was over at Home Depot here in Austin, and there was a woman who had set up a booth in front of the Office Depot, and it said there, and I walked in, I bought some things, came out, And then she asked me if I was interested if I had any little ones.
02:54:17.000But I promise, we'll have Joe Rogan back up.
02:54:20.000Amazing, mind-blowing interview with Joe Rogan.
02:54:25.000We were talking to a caller who just, in the behind-the-scenes Prison Planet.tv viewers, who was talking about he was at Home Depot, came outside, they had a D.A.R.E.
02:54:34.000For those who don't know, they enroll all the kids in Austin and all over the country in Tattletale programs, how to tattle on your parents.
02:54:40.000That's in my film, Road to Tyranny, that I made six years ago.
02:54:44.000Go ahead and tell your story quickly, sir.
02:54:46.000Okay, so I was on the way out of the store there, and she had asked me if I was interested in what was going on there.
02:54:52.000And I scanned about her table, and there were various things there.
02:55:01.000And, um, I asked her, what was this all about?
02:55:05.000And, um, she went on to tell me, well, this is the most important thing on the table.
02:55:08.000And here's why, um, on the back here, you have the ability.
02:55:13.000And I mean, I, I, I don't know if it was a billionaire option or what, we didn't get into that kind of detail, but to sign away your power of attorney for medical emergencies.
02:55:23.000And by the way, they perform emergency care on kids.
02:55:27.000emergency happens and here it's your power of attorney signed away so there aren't any waivers that need to be signed and it was just an automatic and by the way they perform emergency care on kids they don't need that that now means the state can do stuff to your kids unbelievable and and was this dare for kids it was it was there It was the dare I grew up with, but I guess they're into these other things.
02:55:52.000Yeah, that's the thing, Joe, is they're hiring millions of Americans to be secret police, tattletale spies.
02:55:57.000They're taking people's kids for no reason.
02:56:00.000I mean, government is just out of control, Joe Rogan.
02:56:03.000Well, I think anything that has too much power is subject to be out of control.
02:56:10.000You know, and the government has too much power, for sure.
02:56:12.000I mean, we're seeing that everywhere we look.
02:56:50.000And I was wondering, Dr. Rick Strassman, he said he believes that plants are conscious, and that the DMT and ayahuasca use that is rising, that it may be plants communicating with us.
02:57:09.000I mean, we think that communication is limited to making noises with our mouths and typing things on keyboards and writing things on paper, but why?
02:57:18.000That's just like we were talking about before.
02:57:20.000It's just because that's all we're comfortable with.
02:57:25.000If you talk to the Amazon natives that brew ayahuasca, when they talk about how they figured out... I mean, there's hundreds of thousands of different plants in the Amazon, yet they figured out how to take the bark of one plant, or the bark of the root of one plant and the leaves of another plant and mix them together, and that this makes this incredible brew.
02:57:47.000And when asked, they tell you that the plants told them how to make this.
02:57:52.000I mean, I don't know what happens when you take mushrooms, but I swear to God, it feels like you're communicating with something.
02:58:02.000How do you know you're not communicating with the mushroom?
02:58:04.000How do you know that's not how it communicates with you?
02:58:08.000Hey, Joe Rogan, the main transmission's over.
02:58:10.000Let me just say bye to you on the other side here.
02:58:12.000To all the networks out there and all the stations, thank you for tuning in the broadcast.
02:59:06.000And let me have you back in a month or so when I have that fellow on about the JFK deal.
02:59:11.000I would love to, because that sounds like the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.
02:59:15.000Just a single bullet theory alone should let people think that there was more than one assassin.
02:59:20.000Just the fact that they were willing to pursue such a ridiculous theory should show that there's some sort of a collusion, that there's some sort of a conspiracy.
02:59:27.000Well, I hope I didn't burn you out with a three-hour interview.
02:59:43.000Well, I'm going to go ahead and book you sometime in the next month to come on for an hour or so and debate that guy about JFK, maybe have another guest on.
02:59:49.000And, Joe, again, it's great talking to you, and I appreciate everything.
03:00:22.000I've been listening to you since you were first on Coast to Coast and he calls you the Pit Bull and I want to tell you, you're one of the main reasons I'm being left back to the Lord.
03:00:40.000I've never heard a Christian soldier like you.
03:02:06.000Uh, I wanted to call and talk to you guys about Kennedy and about Booyahki, but you guys are off in Edge City and now you're talking about DMP and you, uh, kind of wanted me to talk about that.
03:02:20.000Uh, Rogan's talking about Terrence McKenna and, uh, DMP and I just thought I'd throw in that, uh, if he's talking about McKenna, my favorite theory of his is, uh, his book, Fruit of the Gods, where he posits that the, uh, origins of the human religious experience and of human consciousness is actually from, uh, Uh, Proto-Humans Eating Mushrooms on the African Plains.
03:02:37.000And that, uh, this was the, uh, this was an event that brought, actually brought about consciousness.
03:02:42.000And, uh, it's just an interesting theory.
03:02:45.000Well, I mean, you can watch Blue Jays eating ripened China berries that have alcohol in them, and getting drunk and falling off tree branches.
03:02:53.000There's a lot of primate species and things that take drugs, that like to drink.
03:02:59.000Most often, berries get fermentation, and there's a lot of animals that like to get intoxicated.
03:03:04.000So we're not the only creatures that do it.
03:04:00.000A great angle is, and Judith A. Baker ties into this whole story, is she relates the whole Kennedy thing to...
03:04:06.000No, I know, she's the lady who was in a History Channel special down in New Orleans who dated him.
03:04:10.000No, no, but she doesn't talk about it on MinuteTel Kennedy, but she talks about she relates to all of the government special virus cancer program.
03:04:17.000Actually, she did on a History Channel show talk about the virus.
03:04:57.000I feel like I've had my brain drugged to the dirt.
03:05:01.000But it was certainly enlightening and certainly I'll get a lot of hell for having Joe on for all the weird things he was talking about, but life is weird.
03:05:08.000And so that's why we had Joe on, and I talk to Joe a few times a year, and he's been so busy, I've been so busy, I haven't really had time to go hang out with him in L.A., but he certainly is an interesting fella, and I'm gonna try to hang out with Joe some more, because he gets more and more interesting, and I appreciate Joe Rogan spending so much time with us today, I appreciate the crew up in Minnesota, appreciate the crew here.
03:05:28.000I meant to get Burmess, but hey, I'm gonna have him back on next month, Burmess, you can come on with him then.
03:05:34.000Burmess is something else, ladies and gentlemen.
03:05:46.000That'll actually get me, because when I start exercising I have all these wild thoughts and my brain really starts crackling and connections start getting made.
03:05:55.000But I will be back tomorrow live, 11 a.m.