In the final days of the old republic, will we be able to have it rise again like a phoenix from the ashes? Or will the new technocracy of dehumanization reign supreme? Larry Pratt and Aaron Zellman discuss this and much more.
00:00:01.000Okay, Larry Pratt and Aaron Zellman this hour will be joining us to talk about the sustained attack on the most basic of rights, the right to defend yourself from the criminal rogue government, as well as the average scumbag trying to invade your home in the middle of the night.
00:00:26.000Our journey towards enslavement is nearing completion.
00:00:29.000Fourth Amendment completely overturned and abandoned.
00:01:01.000We'd be quietly videotaping in London Interviewing people on the street and cops would walk over and say, get out of here, I'm going to arrest you, no cameras, no interviews.
00:01:39.000But in D.C., in Austin, Texas, all over I have cops walk over.
00:01:45.000And say, turn your camera off, you're not allowed to be protesting, you're not allowed to stand on the street corner.
00:01:50.000But England is the worst, so they're going through where they just come up, there's no law, they just grab your film, frisk you, take it from you, doesn't matter, it says if you're mainstream press, they still do it.
00:02:00.000They put up all their cameras surveilling us, they watch what we're doing, they face scan us, but then we don't go out and videotape them.
00:02:08.000I mean, this is total police state, this is total East Germany.
00:02:26.000When he eventually handed over his film, he was asked to turn out his pockets and to show the other films he had on them.
00:02:32.000The police filed out of the ubiquitous forms, this one labeled stop and search, and went on their way on the form clearly read, in other words, seized films.
00:02:42.000No judge, no jury, no due process, no process.
00:02:45.000Just arbitrary, judge, jury, God, absolute king of earth, thug.
00:03:22.000It's bad enough on its own, but coupled with long catalog of other incidents that have been reported recently, it begins to look like a pattern.
00:03:35.000That was in the London Telegraph last year.
00:03:40.000And the cops said that it had a headline about Stop the War and that people on the street weren't allowed to see a... You think I'm joking, folks.
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00:08:02.000Several months ago, the Supreme Court ruled in secret, as they always do, on the meaning of the Second Amendment.
00:08:10.000This is a massively historical case, as big as Roe v. Wade, when it comes to a constitutional ruling.
00:08:19.000Monday they came out and in the past, within a day or so, they normally, when they have their meeting to announce their rulings, you then hear it.
00:08:28.000But now they're talking about today, tomorrow, Monday, what the White House and the Democrats have said.
00:09:25.000Gunowners.org joins us to give us his expert analysis on when we're going to hear the hearing, what he thinks is going to happen, why they're delaying it, which I think is very ominous.
00:10:09.000And now we're told that they may have decisions being handed down tomorrow as well.
00:10:16.000So my guess is that if there's a last one, it's likely to be DC versus Heller, the DC gun ban case.
00:10:25.000They are no doubt faced with some political as well as internal disagreements on the court.
00:10:35.000It's not too much of a bit of rocket science to Conclude that there are going to be at least five justices for the position that there's an individual right to keep and bear arms that's protected by the Second Amendment.
00:10:49.000And, you know, as far as it goes, that's good because the antis have been making their argument all along that you had no individual right to keep and bear arms, that if you had a gun, it was only because you were part of the militia of the state of whatever and had nothing to do with an individual right.
00:11:07.000That argument is going to go out the window, almost certainly, because five judges have said they buy the individual right.
00:11:14.000However, the but means that the devil will be in the details, because none of them seem to be concerned about the last four words, shall not be infringed.
00:11:28.000And the discussion that we can I imagine the discussion that we heard a little bit of in the hearing, the oral argument that was presented before the Supreme Court several weeks ago, has been on how much infringement can they get away with.
00:11:44.000Now, Justice Stevens was the most brazen.
00:11:47.000He was the one that actually asked Mr. Heller's attorney Would you agree with the view that the last part of the amendment could be interpreted to read, shall not be unreasonably infringed?
00:12:05.000Unhappily, the attorney answered in the affirmative.
00:12:09.000And then he was asked two specific questions to nail that down and they were, would it be reasonable then to ban machine guns, another affirmative, and would it be reasonable to require licenses to buy handguns, which is something that was the underlying law before the D.C.
00:12:28.000gun ban, technically as part of the D.C.
00:12:31.000And the power to license is the power to tax and destroy, and we know that's the Chicago, New York model.
00:12:36.000So this is the bottom line, and I want to see if you concur exactly on this or if you want to add a caveat or an addendum.
00:12:45.000I have seen the policy in the last ten years, eight years, of the government switch to no longer having a frontal attack on us, because our numbers were growing, we were energized by the attack, we were taking over states and winning political battles, to a stealth mode of, you have a right to own guns, but we have a right to ban them all, basically, or make you jump through 5,000 flaming hoops and find the Bermuda Triangle
00:13:09.000And swim around with a mermaid with your hands tied behind your back, and then fly to Pluto, and then you can own a gun.
00:13:15.000And so they're going to go into that model, and so we'll actually have a Supreme Court ruling saying, yeah, you can have a license, you can be controlled, and then it's all over a reign of terror.
00:13:25.000I quite agree with that, and I would say so does the Brady campaign to stop gun violence.
00:13:31.000The old Handgun Control Incorporated, Paul Helmke, their present spokesman, said that uh... in a way we can see an advantage of losing out on the idea that we can no longer have an outright ban on guns because now that boogeyman can no longer be used by the pro-gun people uh... now we will just be talking about Reasonable restrictions on a right to keep and bear arms that has been established.
00:14:01.000Let's understand, everybody, there's no debating this.
00:14:03.000The pro-gun ban, the victim disarmament lobby likes this because it's one thing in their little playground of the district of criminals up there to disarm their slaves, their subjects, but now they're going to have a ruling nationwide that is only reflected of that one area and say, oh, you have the right to us to restrict your guns.
00:14:36.000And it was something to behold to watch Justice Stevens in plain sight, recorded.
00:14:42.000You can still probably go to the Supreme Court website and hear the recording.
00:14:49.000You can almost see him taking out a copy of the Second Amendment.
00:14:52.000Getting a hold of those last four words, and between not and infringed, putting one of those little editorial carrots, like an open triangle, in between those last two words, and writing on top, unreasonably.
00:15:05.000And hey, we're all in agreement, it protects an individual right, and we will tell you how it can be exercised.
00:15:14.000And really the only thing that we're in doubt about, in my opinion, And what I can't tell you with any specificity until we've read the decision, is how much infringement do they openly declare they can get away with?
00:15:28.000And so I think that's the only doubt that we have.
00:15:32.000And frankly, once they have any infringement reserved into themselves, that's really the same.
00:16:03.000And then the states are all going to move, as well as the feds, with wanton abandon against us.
00:16:08.000Well, you hope there's at least one exception among the states, and that's the state of Montana.
00:16:14.000It's legislature passed a resolution which they brought to the attention of the Supreme Court.
00:16:19.000Wasn't as a formal brief, but I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court knows about it.
00:16:24.000It was published as a letter to the editor in the Washington Times.
00:16:28.000And this resolution has a lot of whereases and a number of resolves, but the one that's I think the real key is if the Supreme Court were to rule that it could infringe in any degree The second amendment, then that would put into question the continuing validity of the compact, read contract, the compact by which Montana joined the Union in 1889.
00:16:55.000Now, then there is strong words because obviously when a contract is unilaterally broken by one party, in this case the federal government, then Montana is released of any of its obligation to be part of the Union.
00:17:13.000Now, I think I've mentioned to you before, I thought our brief was edgy because we had reminded the court that the Crown got shot at when they kept pushing and shooting at our guys, when they kept shutting down our governments and our militias.
00:17:30.000And so this generation is watching what the Supreme Court will do in this case.
00:17:34.000And that's why they do it incrementally.
00:17:36.000They've got to do it slow or it will become a shooting war.
00:17:39.000Well, I think they're certainly concerned about that, but what would happen if Montana was actually not fooling, which is a big if, I admit, but let's ask the question, are they sure that Montana wouldn't just say, you know what?
00:17:54.000You have put, not only into doubt, you busted the contract.
00:17:58.000What you guys just did in that June umpteenth decision, DC versus Heller, shows that you have nothing but contempt for the compact by which we entered the union.
00:18:10.000And this was something that was guaranteed to not be altered in that compact, and therefore you've gone and broken it.
00:18:18.000You know, Montana's not without recourse.
00:18:20.000They could sidle up with the province of Alberta, which has nearly identical dislike of being in the Commonwealth of Canada.
00:18:30.000And between the two states, they're sitting on tons and tons of oil.
00:18:35.000They could certainly finance their own Operation and with air traffic being what it is.
00:18:44.000I don't think they have to worry about being landlocked.
00:18:46.000So this is not really all that much of an idle threat if they choose to not blink.
00:18:53.000Well, we've got a rogue government, Larry Pratt, and nobody can deny that.
00:18:57.000I want to come back with you and take some phone calls from Joe and Sandra and Charles and Bobby and others that are patiently holding.
00:20:33.000And this is, as you say, very important because of the growing constriction on communication.
00:20:40.000There's right now a backdoor effort to get at the Fairness Doctrine, without calling it that, called Broadcast Localism.
00:20:48.000It's a proposal by the FCC that would Uh, set up stakeholders, which are these Stalinist People's Tribunals that are appointed by bureaucrats who would decide whether a station's been naughty or nice.
00:21:01.000By the way, that really came out of the Stalinist era.
00:21:04.000For folks that don't know, political correctness was a term there, the stakeholder thing, and of course these little committees are just fronts for the global corporations.
00:21:12.000They just point at them and say, that's the NGO, they say.
00:21:16.000That is exactly right, and we filed comments actually belatedly because we didn't know about it until it was technically too late, but we thought it was important all the same to go on the record because we know what they're doing and this would be just as effective a way to shut down Rush Limbaugh or Larry Pratt's little show on Saturday afternoon or anybody in between that doesn't speak enough Spanish, that doesn't have enough
00:21:41.000Among job training possibilities on their show.
00:21:47.000Now, the fact that the market doesn't demand it, that people acting freely, using their money to get what they want, which is the way radio pretty much operates, that doesn't concern them because we've already identified the mentality that these folks have.
00:22:03.000No wonder they want our guns, because they're fixing on telling us exactly what it is we're going to hear, what we're going to think.
00:22:11.000Larry, I just can't believe how far this country's fallen.
00:22:14.000I mean, did you ever think you would see the Supreme Court?
00:22:18.000Because we know, we've already got their oral comments and the debates, and you guys were there.
00:22:23.000I mean, they're telling us they're going to say, we can restrict them, we can ban them, we can make you get a license.
00:22:29.000I mean, this is going to be hell on earth!
00:22:32.000It seems like we're watching the bottom fall out, that the Christian foundations that our founding fathers had given us, Have held firm long after we allowed erosion and corruption to enter into the foundation itself.
00:22:47.000But now the point seems to have been reached when it's all kind of collapsing into the middle and you can almost hear the structure coming down around our ears.
00:22:58.000It's moving very fast because when they start moving on what you're allowed to say and not say, when they can tell you how many guns, if any, you can have It's getting pretty far along, and they will continue the process of criminalizing politics.
00:23:18.000When we disagree with you on anything... Well, they're already all over the U.S.
00:23:21.000saying you can't videotape or be on the street while they have cameras on us.
00:23:41.000He's going to be on at the bottom of the hour, but here we go.
00:23:53.000Nobody's going to tell you this is the final battle for the Second Amendment.
00:23:57.000The criminals in white robes that are about as conservative as Mao Zedong are going to come out and say, you've got a right to have guns, we've got a right to ban them.
00:25:33.000Bush said if he had it on his desk, if the Congress delivered it to the White House, he would sign it.
00:25:41.000That was a public statement, more than once, that his spokesman made on his behalf.
00:25:46.000So we knew the game in the House of Representatives, which at the time we Had some fairly good muscle, was to keep a vote from happening at all, and then it finally expired, as we know.
00:25:58.000Folks, if we have the political will, there's 160 million gun owners, probably more, we can take the country back.
00:26:04.000I mean, Larry, is that the true statement?
00:26:06.000It will stop letting the NRA sandbag us and put us to sleep, and if we realize they're a Judas goat, we can save the country.
00:26:13.000Yeah, we gotta stop trying to put lipstick on a pig.
00:26:16.000It really doesn't make the pig look any better.
00:26:23.000I say get mad, get aggressive, never stop.
00:26:26.000One of the things that's a big challenge that we need to do this year is no matter how discouraged people are about the presidential race, do not neglect to go and vote.
00:26:40.000In most states we have state races at the statewide level as well as local races.
00:26:45.000All of those are terribly important, and if there's a landslide that sweeps in a bunch of far-left Marxists, and whatever you and I both may say about the present rascals that are in there, let's face it, what's fixing to come in the tsunami would be like moving to the Soviet Union.
00:27:02.000Well, that's my point, is that both parties are basically wings on the same bird of prey, and if we don't break the left-right paradigm, it's over.
00:27:11.000I mean, Obama, hell on earth is about to be released.
00:27:14.000So it's important to go look for those folks that are running for office, not getting the kind of attention that obviously the presidential candidates will, who do show that they have some understanding and gumption.
00:27:27.000Look, Republicans need to run from George Bush and run to Ron Paul.
00:27:31.000They will get elected if they say, look, we are the real third party.
00:27:37.000They've got to explain that to people.
00:27:39.000Because conservatives, we're a conservative nation, a patriotic nation, a Bill of Rights nation, but only if it's a real party, only if it's a real candidate.
00:27:50.000In fact, the conservatives that have been active in the Republican Party often refer to themselves as the Republican wing of the Republican Party, which is a reference to the fact that there's so many of these Rockefeller socialist types that call themselves Republican, but have no intention whatsoever of doing anything except opposing the Republican agenda.
00:28:10.000Sandra in California, you're on the air, go ahead.
00:29:01.000Whoever would need that many guns, as they say.
00:29:04.000Who would want to... Well, listen, I'm talking to a lot of veterans, famous former UT football players, you name it.
00:29:11.000They're not even allowed to buy guns anymore.
00:29:13.000A guy went to McBride's, he has no criminal record, and they said, well, the police are going to come to your house, they say you've got an arsenal, they've got a record, you've bought a bunch of guns lately.
00:29:22.000And you're not supposed to have them because the Veterans Disarmament Act says you can't.
00:29:56.000Yeah, were you familiar, because I'm seeing this, where they're raiding like a neighbor.
00:30:00.000I saw an Indiana case, I saw an Oklahoma case.
00:30:02.000They'll be playing poker next door and say, yeah, we may have a depression, buy guns and storable food, and the people think, oh, that's terrorism, because they've seen that on TV and in the sitcoms and dramas.
00:30:16.000In movies, where they equate survivalism, a bunch of guns, with being a terrorist, and then the cops go ahead and raid him and arrest him and say, well, he wasn't doing anything illegal, but we went ahead and took all his guns and we're not going to give them back.
00:30:28.000I mean, I know you're seeing those cases, and then I know people now who are veterans, or their dad was a veteran, and they have the same name, and they don't even have post-traumatic stress, and they're just saying, well, it shows you bought five guns this year.
00:30:44.000And yeah, I bought a bunch of new shotguns for duck hunting, and they go, well, the guy on the phone said they're going to come to your house.
00:30:55.000Well, the report out of Greensburg, Kansas, for example, is very chilling, and apparently they've been doing some of the same gun confiscation door-to-door, not only that they did in New Orleans and in Greensburg, There's some indication that they've been doing the same thing in Iowa and perhaps other cities that get little towns that get shut down.
00:31:14.000I was about to say I have actual newscasts.
00:31:16.000I found them where it said they're going door-to-door and taking the guns.
00:31:19.000It's just out of control and these are states that still haven't passed laws that are needed.
00:31:28.000It says if one of these officers takes your gun and you're not being arrested for committing a real crime, Then you can sue him personally and he can't have the department... But why are the cops going in everybody's houses with pleasure and taking guns?
00:31:46.000Because there's no consequence and obviously if you say well it's illegal they don't care because they know that they won't be prosecuted.
00:31:52.000But how did they get the cops to be like this?
00:31:55.000Well part of the problem I think is the training that they get.
00:31:59.000I know that in most states when you're elected sheriff The first thing, by custom or by law, that you do is to go to Quantico and get a training session or two at the FBI operation.
00:32:14.000It was the FBI who led the gun confiscation in New Orleans!
00:32:18.000Along with federal marshals and the National Guard and the California Highway Patrol.
00:32:25.000Folks that, when they come back as sheriffs, and they think, well, gee, you know, the feds really got all these neat toys, and they really know how to do things.
00:32:34.000It's just, oh, it's like being in the army.
00:32:37.000And, of course, the thing is, there's nobody shooting back at you in this little war game.
00:33:17.000They're up there in the flood areas, in houses that are even in dry areas, ordering evacuations, and then they go in your house and they bring cameras and they break in the door and take your guns out of your house.
00:33:55.000We're also going to have Aaron Zellman on with us for the rest of this hour and take some of your Your phone calls, the police have been brainwashed that gun confiscation is good.
00:34:08.000They're trained by the FBI at Quantico.
00:36:25.000Which we've heard before, that just doing our job.
00:36:28.000That went down in Nuremberg, where Nazis kept saying, we're just doing our job, just following orders.
00:36:34.000And that's what a lot of police officers are doing today, just following orders.
00:36:39.000So, you don't have to look too far to find an enemy.
00:36:41.000Well, I think it's a cop-out with many when they say, oh, I'm just going to shoot them when they come for my guns, and then they do, and you get SWAT teamed, and that's the end of it.
00:36:50.000But, I mean, it's not a cop-out when Larry Pratt puts that in a brief to the Supreme Court that it's going to lead to a shooting war, and I think it really is going to lead to that.
00:37:02.000Your comments on that, Aaron Selman, and then Larry Pratt.
00:37:05.000Well, I noticed in a brief that we submitted to the Supreme Court, which is on the front page of our website, JPFO.org, we made it very clear that an armed citizen re-existed to defend itself against the government-gone-bad tyranny.
00:37:20.000And I'm suspecting, this is speculation of course, but tomorrow or Thursday, when we assume we're going to hear Supremes are going to come down from the mountaintop and pronounce what they think, it's going to be a situation where they're going to ignore an armed citizen as a reason to be armed.
00:37:38.000And they probably will say that some of the fact, well, yeah, Dick Heller has a right to carry a gun inside his broom closet, inside his apartment, and that gun control schemes, as long as they're reasonable, are certainly enforceable.
00:37:54.000And I think that we're going to have a real battle on our hands determining what is reasonable from now on.
00:38:02.000And I think that we are going to see this week, unless I am really surprised and shocked to the extreme, that the battle is going to start now, the battle in real earnest.
00:38:16.000By the gun haters, by the state, to destroy gun ownership in America.
00:38:24.000This is really a double-edged sword, because if they say, well, okay, reasonable regulation is okay for the Second Amendment, which is a right, And of course the door is wide open for all other rights.
00:38:38.000And they are attacking the Fourth Amendment, the First Amendment.
00:38:41.000Larry Pratt comments on that key point that Aaron Zellman just made.
00:38:45.000I think he puts it very well, that the only thing we don't know is how much infringement do they think they can infringe and get away with it.
00:38:54.000My guess is they're going to assume that they can get away with quite a bit because they've been educating us To accept the notion that anything the government says, anything, is the law because, quote, the government is the sovereign, which is exactly wrong.
00:39:49.000We didn't have a National Guard until after 1900.
00:39:52.000All the Federalist Papers, all the debates say it's the independent citizens and that it's there to defend against a central government, mainly criminals secondarily.
00:40:01.000That was the opinion of Judge Lawrence Silberman at the D.C.
00:40:08.000His was an excellent decision, and he did a very good job on this concept of militia.
00:40:13.000But again, I think if you assume that you can infringe, then, hey, if you've got an individual right, but we can infringe it, what does that really mean?
00:40:21.000Well, it means whatever we might believe before breakfast, and as Humpty Dumpty said, I can believe eight different things!
00:40:27.000Well, I want to point something out here.
00:40:32.000They aren't just going to take the guns and be friendly.
00:40:34.000They want this because they're going to rape the hell out of us.
00:40:37.000And you can make no mistake, this government is mad dog evil.
00:40:40.000It isn't about George Bush or Barack Obama.
00:40:42.000It's all run by the same global corporate interests that want to be able to loot this nation of its capital, for its young men and women, for the military.
00:40:59.000The raping the daughters, the taxes, the stealing, the guys in red coats beating people up and swaggering and being arrogant.
00:41:08.000grabbing people off the beach and pressing them into the British Navy as slaves, white slaves, folks, which you never hear about in the news, because they want to make it a racial thing.
00:41:19.000And bottom line, I mean, I don't see anything else happening but that it's going to go ahead and lead into armed revolt, and they're going to call people terrorists.
00:41:47.000In other words, the government is hell-bent to have all the power.
00:41:54.000And I will tell people, if they're able to obtain complete ownership of firearms, so the American people are disarmed, you will see a draft come about, drafting people for foreign wars and adventures.
00:42:07.000The likes of which you can't even imagine.
00:42:10.000So there's a lot of serious issues that are about to explode in this country if the American people are disarmed.
00:42:20.000Well, Alex, I guess there's at least one difference between the Revolutionary War era picture that you've just painted and today, and that is that those who are working to take over our freedoms today don't wear red coats.
00:42:37.000Exactly, but I mean, how can the BATF, how can the police not know they're in the wrong?
00:42:43.000Well, to a certain extent, I think because the law of God's written on all of our hearts, they know that.
00:42:48.000But secondarily, there's a lot of willful denial and there's a lot of educated ignorance.
00:42:56.000They're going through schools that are telling them that the government is sovereign, and we've got people coming out of schools that can't wait to vote away their freedoms.
00:43:05.000That's what the Founders kept saying, is that don't try to invent, don't try to twist what lawyers speak, what this says.
00:43:11.000It's very clear, it's to defend against government tyranny, it's an absolute individual right.
00:43:15.000I mean, how can the Supreme Court ignore what the Founders said?
00:43:18.000The Founders said, anybody who tries to put a lien on this, tries to infringe on this, wage war against them, kill them!
00:43:26.000Well, they feel that they can get away with it, and frankly, they have been getting away with it for a long, long time.
00:43:33.000They treat the Constitution with utter contempt Properly understood, they are under the Constitution.
00:43:41.000As they understand it, they are the Constitution.
00:43:44.000Well, we're going to beat them this way, and I'm going to tell all the listeners this, and I want to get both your take on this, and we will take calls.
00:43:48.000Go to GunOwnersOfAmerica.org, JPFO.org, join both groups, buy their books or videos, educate everybody, put them on AXS TV, get the word out, have local groups, because this is life and death.
00:44:00.000Take two or three neighbors out a year, bare minimum.
00:44:19.000Are you not seeing Aaron Zellman and Larry Pratt?
00:44:21.000A huge awakening to government tyranny.
00:44:24.000And now liberals, I mean grassroots, not the big ones, are now converting to freedom.
00:44:31.000Well, if I can go first on this, Larry.
00:44:33.000What I see is a grassroots awakening, not just for Second Amendment issues, but the war on drugs, the Internal Revenue Service, OSHA, all of these government agencies that are dead, that really are a bunch of jackbooted thugs, to put it simply.
00:44:51.000And so it is their kind of tyranny that is awakening millions and millions of people.
00:44:57.000Many people have to realize you can't just man the barricades.
00:45:00.000You've got to be in a situation where you're not going nose-to-nose with evil.
00:45:06.000Because evil will be better armed and equipped with your tax dollars, by the way.
00:45:11.000However, the American people are financing their own destruction through the tax system.
00:45:18.000One of the hopeful signs that I've seen at Gun Owners of America is, well, to give you an example, I went out to speak to a local university And among the students who were there, and there were a number of students, there were several of them who were already members of Gun Owners of America.
00:45:35.000So we're not just dealing with people in their 60s, 70s, and 80s.
00:45:42.000But I'm quite aware of a large number, and I believe it's a growing number, of Very young people who, just like Aaron said, they get it.
00:45:52.000Well, I know that when my grandfathers went to World War II, they were told things in boot camp and given manuals about, you're going because the Nazis want to take your property rights, your free speech, and your guns.
00:46:02.000Or, we're fighting the Soviets because they want your free speech and your guns.
00:46:05.000And then now the government's attacking all that.
00:46:11.000They've gotten their role just a little bit confused, but then, after all, they've been allowed to think that they are the sovereigns for a long time.
00:46:19.000Not too surprising that they act this way.
00:46:24.000You're on the air with Aaron Zellman of Jews in Preservation of Firearms Ownership, and Larry Pratt, two of the best fighters for the Second Amendment out there.
00:46:31.000Well, you know, how you been doing, Mr. Jones?
00:46:34.000Mr. Pratt, I was in gun confiscation in New Orleans, and when I seen in New Orleans, I seen one old woman come up to the door with a gun and a knife and they arrested her.
00:46:45.000And that's the only resistance New Orleans had.
00:46:48.000It was so terrible, now I was mad, but now I laugh at the people.
00:46:59.000All they want is football games and drugs.
00:47:01.000I don't believe the American people will ever fight.
00:47:04.000I think they finished, and they know they finished, because we have let this government make us domestic cowards.
00:47:10.000Well, that's certainly been the hope and the policy I would submit, especially the schools, certainly the entertainment industry, and the government supports that notion very handsomely, but I don't know that they've necessarily succeeded yet.
00:47:26.000I think we'd be foolish to to deny that what you've just described is a real big problem.
00:48:04.000Well, I think you have a point there, Alex.
00:48:07.000Before I forget, you were mentioning about World War II and the films they showed people.
00:48:12.000If people have a chance to get a hold of a series of films called Why We Fight, which was Uh, created during World War II.
00:48:20.000Uh, it helps people better understand why the people should fight to preserve American values.
00:48:27.000And these films were shown to the American people and, of course, the people in the military.
00:48:31.000And it, uh, it created a demand, a groundswell in America to preserve freedom.
00:48:38.000And so if you have a chance to get a hold of these films called Why We Fight, uh, most of them, they're very, they're very cheap, they're available, and some of them may even be on YouTube.
00:48:48.000At any rate, to go to your next question, I think that there may be an awakening out there.
00:49:07.000They're not going to take my shotgun and all the rest of that nonsense.
00:49:11.000And finally, I know that I want to make sure that everyone understands Larry's not joining in with me when I say this.
00:49:18.000But I've got a real gripe with the National Rifle Association, because they still do not want to abolish the ATF.
00:49:26.000They had the chance many years ago, they took a pass on it, and because of their compromising today, they're innocent gun owners, like Dave Oleson, going to prison.
00:49:37.000Well, Aaron Zellman, I don't want to disagree with you, but it's not compromise.
00:49:40.000Compromise is if they give up something and we give up something.
00:49:44.000We always give in and they always push us over the cliff.
00:49:54.000But Alex, I think your point that you made a minute ago needs to be kept in mind because we can easily focus on the enormous number of bad things that are happening and forget that it looked at least that grim.
00:50:07.000When the men signed the Declaration of Independence, They had a kind of scaffold humor as they were signing it, joking with each other.
00:50:16.000Well, I'm signing my death certificate.
00:50:18.000They knew that... Well, that's what signinger John Hancock meant.
00:50:21.000He said, they said, you know, we're going to get killed for this.
00:51:22.000We are dealing with the federal government, who has proven not to be our friend, for the most part.
00:51:29.000It's really hard to second guess why they're taking so long to do this, other than, as I have joked, they may have a Hollywood agent who's telling them, Well, our attorneys had indicated they thought it more likely than not that this would be one of the, if not the, last decision Handed down, which means even perhaps next Monday.
00:51:54.000But part of the reason is simply that they know this is a really big one, and unlike even the abortion decision where the dead babies can't shoot back, there is the risk that a place like Montana might just Go ballistic, you know, and say we're not going to play this game anymore.
00:52:15.000I think we need to call for the states to secede and reform the union if this happens.
00:52:22.000I think the key here is to let everybody know that when they trumpet this is a victory for the Second Amendment, that that is a cruel hoax.
00:52:28.000And then I think it's time to really call for impeachment of the Supreme Court.
00:52:43.000Something that would be legislatively at least conceivable would be legislation stripping their authority in huge areas where the Constitution doesn't give them the authority and just pull out these cases so they never even get into federal court to begin with.
00:53:08.000I still believe, and that's one of the reasons I started this program called TakeYourMoneyBack.com, if we want to end tyranny in America, we have to end the cash flow to the government.
00:53:19.000You know, Jack Buddha thugs will not work for free.
00:53:23.000And if there's no money to pay them, there's no money to finance their agencies, That's probably the best way, the most effective way to end all this crazy... No, I agree, but Ron Paul says we don't even have to do it, because they're going to bankrupt everything before it happens, and that may actually stop them.
00:53:40.000We're going to come back in the final segment.
00:55:04.000I just want to say that you're doing a great job, and the thing to remember is that this is an inalienable right, and it existed even before you had our present Constitution.
00:55:18.000The Declaration of Independence states that.
00:55:20.000It's an organic right that comes from your being a free human creature, exactly.
00:55:26.000And the other thing is that Justice Breyer has been putting on complete fallacious reasoning because he says that should no locale have the right to Restrict firearms, and it's not the locale that has the right.
00:55:44.000It's only the individual that has that God-given right.
00:57:03.000Hey, real quick, what is the definition of a well-organized militia?
00:57:07.000Well, that's something that George Mason coined.
00:57:10.000It was a term that he began to use in 1775 in the face of growing British oppression, not only closing down legislatures but making it illegal for militias to meet, banning the importation of guns,
00:57:28.000The colonists were coming upon a very difficult time in defending themselves, and to distinguish then from what the Brits were trying to do in this particular case to the militia, Mason coined the term of a well-regulated militia, which would be the embodiment of the power of the people.
00:57:46.000Yeah, regulated just means every town's got a bunch of people armed and trained, but directed by the locals.
00:57:52.000Train being the key element in the word, and as you say, by locals, these things were under government authority, under municipal authority of the people there on the ground.