In this episode, Alex Blumberg talks with Richard Gage and Kevin Ryan about the leaked NIST report on the collapse of the World Trade Center and the impact on the surrounding area of the Twin Towers. Gage has been a practicing architect for over 20 years and is the founder of Architects and Engineers. Kevin Ryan is a degreed engineer and former site manager for Environmental Health Labs, a division of Underwater Laboratories, co-editor of the Journal of 9/11 Studies, contributing author of 9-11: Intellectuals Speak out, and a member of Scholars for 9/ 11 Truth.
00:00:52.000in chemicals, certified quality engineer, former site manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwater Laboratories, co-editor of the Journal of 9-11 Studies, contributing author of 9-11 and the American Empire, Volume 1.
00:01:05.000Intellectuals speak out, and he's a member of Scholars for 9-11 Truth, and I was just reading Richard Gage's bio about a practicing architect for 20 years, designed a bunch of steel frame, large buildings, and they both join us now, and I appreciate them coming on on such short notice.
00:01:26.000I have a story up on PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com.
00:01:31.000Unusual event before collapse of WTC7.
00:01:34.000Yesterday afternoon we learned about the huge multi-hundred page leaked NIST document.
00:01:41.000They've been delaying releasing it for year after year.
00:01:43.000They had given five different reasons the towers had fallen.
00:01:48.000They had given five different reasons that Building 7 had fallen.
00:01:56.000Now I tried to read over this yesterday and it seemed like it was contradicting itself.
00:02:01.000It seemed like it contradicted other partial reports they put out.
00:02:05.000I found a lot of interesting things in there but I'm not an architect or engineer so I thought why not actually get two experts up on this subject.
00:02:15.000First off, I do want to say that in my film, Truth Rising, we do have an interview with Richard Gage, so he is part of that new film that comes out July 4th as well at PrisonPlanet.tv and on DVD at InfoWars.com.
00:02:31.000But going first to Kevin Ryan, because we haven't interviewed him in a long time, Kevin Ryan worked for Underwater Laboratories, found out about a report his company had done where they tested models of the buildings and it wasn't consistent with a collapse, a symmetrical collapse, these uneven fires.
00:02:52.000And so he leaked the document and then spoke out about it and they fired him.
00:03:07.000Break down a little bit about yourself, for those that don't know who you are, a little bit about what happened with Underwriting Laboratories, and then now this whole NIST saga, and then we'll bring Mr. Gage in with his comments as an architect, and a comment on this leaked NIST report.
00:03:23.000Well, yes, as you said, I was a top manager at one of the locations of Underwriters Laboratories, and I was fired for publicly questioning The NIST report, now this has been almost four years, when they had put out their draft final report in October of 2004.
00:03:40.000And as you said, I was questioning that report because underwriter laboratories had told me, both verbally and in writing, that they had tested the steel components for the World Trade Center for fire resistance, which is one of the things they do.
00:04:00.000In fact, they had actually tested the steel components of the columns.
00:04:04.000They had tested the fireproofing itself.
00:04:08.000As stated by the president of the company who made the fireproofing in the New York Times, he said, Underwriters Laboratories tested it and certified it, so it shouldn't have failed.
00:04:17.000They also tested assemblies that were similar to the floors used in the World Trade Center.
00:04:25.000So I was questioning Underwriters Laboratories about how those buildings could have possibly been destroyed in that manner, and ended up writing a letter to NIST and telling them that their results clearly were not supporting their conclusions, and how could this be?
00:04:46.000Now that was almost four years ago, as I said, so I've been doing quite a bit to learn more about what happened at the World Trade Center.
00:04:53.000And if I might interrupt, Kevin Ryan, As an engineer, you had a responsibility to talk about this and expose this, working there and seeing this internal secret report.
00:05:05.000And then we look at how the mainstream media and the debunkers won't touch you with a ten-foot pole.
00:05:10.000They ignore the fact that they're internal studies of those that underwrote the building.
00:05:14.000The experts, the world experts, were saying that something fishy was going on.
00:05:19.000And so right there we should have a real investigation.
00:05:23.000The debunkers act like We're just here making all this up, and it's completely normal to have three buildings, two of them explode top-down with pyroclastic flows of dust, ejecting steel beams 50 yards, 100 yards, and then to have Building 7 fall perfectly into its own footprint, that that's just a regular occurrence.
00:05:43.000And then now, I'm looking at their own report, and it shows fires on one side of the building.
00:05:47.000How does that cause a symmetrical collapse?
00:05:50.000So now bring us up to what's happening with this new report.
00:05:57.000You know, back about six months ago, NIST had a meeting in which they started to tell us that their objective didn't include determining how the fire started.
00:06:06.000They were just going to talk about how the fires propagated.
00:06:09.000And this was a meeting that our friend Richard Gage spoke up as a public commenter.
00:06:15.000So they started telling us they didn't have to determine how the fire started.
00:06:19.000They talked about maybe the fireproofing just didn't work.
00:06:21.000They started saying these are really absurd things.
00:06:25.000But one thing they did say very clearly and all agreed with was that the fuel in any given location in the building lasted only about 20 minutes.
00:06:34.000So if you look at this report and you see that on the 13th floor some of these fires started around 2.30 or 3.00 and then they died down clearly and then there's this intense jet of flames that they can't explain at 5.20 right before the building collapsed.
00:06:50.000You know, all that leads to Some serious question about where these fires come from, and that leads us back to the finding, and what we do know is that thermite materials were present at the World Trade Center.
00:07:03.000And thermite materials are what are called pyrotechnic or energetic materials.
00:07:07.000It's kind of like gunpowder, where the fuel and the oxidizer are mixed together in one component.
00:07:13.000Thermite's like that, except it's much more powerful.
00:07:17.000And as we learn more from the dust, we start analyzing the dust in the laboratories that Participating in this, we're finding just what kind of thermite was used.
00:07:27.000And so I've done some of that laboratory work, and we seem to be finding that, interestingly, the materials that were present there are linked to a good number of those people who participated in the cover-up of NIST people.
00:07:44.000And people who participated in this report all have links to these Energetic materials.
00:07:50.000And people who help destroy buildings do?
00:07:54.000People who cleaned up the event, including Mark Loiseau's company, but also companies that are interested in what are called energetic nanocomposites.
00:08:07.000Wow, they just so happen, and you've got all the documents on that, and Professor Steven Jones has talked about it.
00:08:13.000It just so happens with the scientific method, you backtrack all this, and then, lo and behold, the very few groups involved in these materials are the very people cleaning up the mess, and the very people that were charged with covering it up.
00:08:27.000Boy, that really sounds like a whodunit.
00:08:30.000Really is, and I tell you what, the more we look at this, and along with the parallel investigation, which is kind of, who possibly could have had access to these kinds of materials?
00:08:40.000And just looking into the connections and so forth, we find that given who we know had access to the buildings, the Kroll Company, and the Securicom Company, and Marsh-McClelland, you know, companies that either established the security for the buildings, or were tenants in the particular areas that had failure.
00:09:01.000And we also look at who had access to the types of materials we're finding in the World Trade Center dust.
00:09:06.000We're able to start patching together some really plausible explanations.
00:09:11.000You know, not exact yet, but a small series of possibilities.
00:09:18.000And so companies like the Scientific Applications Incorporated, right?
00:09:30.000This is a company that supplied the largest contingent of investigators to the NIST, World Trade Center investigation, outside of the government, per se.
00:09:40.000So there's a huge list of people in the NIST report.
00:09:44.000Underwriters did their own secret report and their own secret test and found that something went on and it wasn't the fires.
00:09:51.000And so now, obviously, if one scientific body of the real experts finds buildings they certified and they know something happened, now you get these new guys that come and say the opposite of physics Obviously, they're going to be on some type of take, and then you go look at it, and lo and behold, they are.
00:10:08.000Well, it sure looks like it, because, you know, just look at the top advisory committee for NIST.
00:10:14.000There's this guy named Forman Williams, a professor from UC San Diego, and he happens to be an expert on these kinds of hermetic materials, having written a number of papers.
00:10:23.000You don't see them on his website at UCSD, but they are out there on the net, and you can find These papers on ignition analysis.
00:10:31.000And then I've gone and looked at some of these individuals' political policies and they're big pro-Israel war hawks.
00:10:39.000Or you take a look at James Abrahamson, who was a former director of NASA and has been a director of Securicom and Stratisec, along with Walker and Bush.
00:10:49.000And this guy, he looks rotten to the core.
00:10:54.000He's got associations with Not only Securicom, but this Crescent group that he runs with a guy who I happen to know personally, Osama Bin Laden, supposedly.
00:11:04.000And they have the Kroll company with Jerome Hauer and Brian Michael Jenkins.
00:11:11.000Line those people up with these groups like SAIC.
00:11:15.000SAIC is a company that Jerome Hauer worked for as well.
00:12:09.000I want to bring this up now and then get back on the full discussion just about the science and the report that you've just had a few days to look at.
00:12:17.000I'm getting a lot of death threats now.
00:12:18.000Very serious ones getting followed, getting a lot of other crazy, you know, threats to my family.
00:12:23.000Things that we know are of a government nature, not the normal type.
00:12:26.000A lot of other people are getting those.
00:12:28.000We're also getting public Michael Reagan saying murder us, kill us.
00:12:31.000National shows are saying murder us, kill us.
00:12:34.000I think we're getting really close and they're scared.
00:13:14.000Nick, this Friday or Saturday, I will be speaking to 40 state legislators at the Arizona Republican Assembly, and I'm very, very excited about that opportunity.
00:13:25.000I think that will raise a lot of attention.
00:13:29.000I have one hour, and I will lay out all of the evidence for the assisted collapses of all three high-rise buildings.
00:13:37.000Well, I know you just covered the science, and Ryan's always done that, but I like how you guys now are pointing out that the people who have access and are experts in these thermate-accelerated type systems, and Black Ops, and Al-Qaeda, I mean, you heard what Kevin Ryan was just talking about.
00:13:59.000Yeah, I think Kevin is doing a critical job.
00:14:03.000I think at Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth, The 400 architects and engineers that we represent that are demanding a real investigation will maintain greater credibility by not pointing fingers and doing the kind of research that is so important for others to do, like Kevin.
00:14:24.000We're going to come back with you, Richard, on the other side, both of you together, but you first.
00:14:27.000But in the minute, we've got left in this little behind-the-scenes discussion for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers.
00:14:33.000Kevin Ryan, have you gotten any threats?
00:14:36.000No, I haven't gotten any death threats, you know, occasionally, and actually fairly frequently.
00:14:41.000I can't use my email, but I think I was, at best, I was harassed by the IRS right after I was fired, but no death threats, and hopefully that won't occur, but we'll see.
00:14:52.000Well, you're familiar with Michael Reagan saying, kill 9-11 truthers, right?
00:15:09.000Yeah, I think there's a real possibility that we're going to be able to piece it together and pinpoint the organizations that have the highest probability, if not the exact organizations involved in the crimes of 9-11.
00:16:54.000Going back to Kevin Ryan, who valiantly found out their own reports in his own company, saying something happened on these buildings, the official story is a lie, and then he gets fired for releasing their secret report, and then now we've got all these black operators running the NIST report, and now they leak this internal report.
00:17:11.000Now do we know this is a real internal report?
00:17:27.000Well, it sure does look like it, Alex, and I was notified about these reports being available on the NIST website a month or so ago.
00:17:37.000I didn't download them myself because I was given the indication that NIST was threatening people who might do that, but they were obviously downloaded and leaked.
00:17:48.000By that, you mean people that know backdoors?
00:17:56.000Look how they carry out the attacks and they can't even cover up their own info.
00:18:00.000Yeah, and it does look very interesting because they're obviously struggling, as we knew they would, with any kind of plausible explanation for how this building fell in six and a half seconds.
00:18:15.000Don't you ever wish, Kevin, it wasn't them?
00:18:16.000I mean, it's so much better if it was 19 guys.
00:18:20.000I don't know, I guess that's the easy way out in one sense, but on the other hand, if you think about the fact that the more you learn about this stuff, I know you know this Alex, The wars through history appear to have been started by lies, and that war is a racket, right?
00:18:37.000No, I know that, but it's one thing to blow up your ship when the guys are on leave, and that's bad enough, and start the war, or Hitler burning his own Reichstag, that didn't kill anybody.
00:18:47.000Or the Gulf of Tonkin, where they didn't kill anybody.
00:18:52.000Then they moved on to the Liberty, and now, it's just, why?
00:18:56.000Just to realize they really are killers.
00:19:38.000I'll tell you what takes my breath away is the concern that if they pulled off whoever they are, 9-11, then they have the capability, the intent, and the motivation to pull off another one.
00:19:54.000There are more ships amassed in the Persian Gulf right now than there were prior to the Iraq invasion, and there are very well-known plans set for an invasion of Iran.
00:20:07.000And now you have this weird attempt on Sarkozy?
00:20:20.000We're promised, basically, by several members of the Bush administration, Congress, and The media of another 9-11 style attack worse than the last one.
00:20:33.000I have never in my gut, not just intellectually, man, I have never in my gut felt that we are in greater danger.
00:20:39.000Just as I intellectually analyze things and then ask my gut, you know, a gut check, it's like, whoa!
00:20:44.000I mean, are you guys getting the same feeling in your gut?
00:20:50.000Go ahead, Kevin, you have the best gut.
00:20:53.000I do have a bigger gut than you, Richard, yes.
00:20:55.000And I'll tell you what, you know, there's only so much of the overwhelming fear that a person can deal with.
00:21:01.000So I think that right now our best bet is to focus.
00:21:05.000Just focus on facts and focus on... No, no, that's what I'm doing.
00:21:08.000I'm just saying with the geopolitical things, not even the false flag attacks, it's just everybody I talk to says they can feel we are on the edge of something big.
00:21:24.000I'm not going to be there for 30 minutes.
00:21:26.000I'm actually going to go shit out in the other studio so I can control myself and not make points because I want you guys to go back and forth and talk about whatever you think is most important.
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00:25:33.000Gentlemen, for the next 30 minutes I want you to talk about whatever issues you want to, whatever you think is most important, but I do want you now to address leaked NIS documents, unusual event before collapse of WTC, talk about fire shooting out of nowhere, they talk about fires being stronger before...
00:25:50.000hours before it collapsed and when it collapsed.
00:25:52.000They show how there were only fires on one side of the building.
00:26:06.000And then both of you back and forth, you've got the floor.
00:26:08.000Well, yeah, the report, the clear finding in the report is the problem with the fires dying down and then suddenly jets of flames shooting out the windows at the last minute.
00:26:21.000So that supports the idea of thermic materials in the buildings as well as does the molten metal found in the basements and so forth.
00:26:30.000And also the laboratory work being done now that I'm a part of, along with Stephen Jones and others in this country and outside of this country.
00:26:41.000But Richard probably has a good take on the way the building fell and why the building fell.
00:26:47.000What the most important evidence physically is.
00:28:51.000We also have Craig Bartmer of the New York Police Department saying, I think I know an explosion when I hear it.
00:28:58.000And so he's describing these explosions at the initiation of this collapse.
00:29:03.000And then let's talk about this collapse, because it happens precipitously.
00:29:09.000Well, first of all, there is a collapse about ten seconds prior to the global collapse of the East Penthouse itself, just imploding virtually straight down through itself.
00:29:22.000And then ten seconds later, the entire building, all of a sudden, virtually symmetrically and smoothly, drops straight down almost into its own footprint in about six and a half seconds.
00:29:39.000And it's been timed the first two seconds of that drop is indistinguishable in its pace from free fall.
00:29:48.000This is extremely important because it tells us That certainly, in the first two seconds, there's no resistance to this collapse from the 40,000 tons of structural steel that were designed, of course, to resist.
00:30:01.000Showing that it couldn't be a pancake.
00:30:03.000It wasn't a few floors falling and then causing the structure.
00:30:06.000It was free fall from the start of the collapse.
00:31:37.000Well, yeah, I think the comments on the damage are interesting because from the noise that NIST has been making in the last Six months to a year.
00:31:49.000It sounds like they're going to come up with a theory, roughly called a single point of failure, that author Ramon Gil-Santz, who's part of their investigation, published in a structural engineering magazine.
00:32:02.000What that means is they're going to find one column they think is very critical and somehow cause that to fail by fire, essentially to be the initiating event.
00:32:16.000Let's talk about that column for a minute, Kevin.
00:32:34.000That column has to be heated up to about 1,000 or 1,200 degrees in order to cause any failure.
00:32:41.000And let's be clear, this isn't just Richard Gage or Kevin Ryan's opinion.
00:32:47.000It wasn't damaged by any of the World Trade Center North.
00:32:51.000And let's be clear, this isn't just Richard Gage or Kevin Ryan's opinion.
00:32:54.000Underwriting laboratories, the Big Cheeses, did internal secret tests.
00:32:59.000And that's a question for you, Kevin Ryan.
00:33:03.000Talking to your old colleagues when this was going on, I mean, they're scientists, they're engineers.
00:33:08.000I guess they're scared to lose their jobs, but what do they say when they can't release their own report?
00:33:14.000Well, we primarily talked about the towers, but their position was that they were helping NIST.
00:33:21.000NIST was their client in the investigation, which they did.
00:33:24.000They built these floor models for the towers and tested them in August 2004.
00:33:30.000So, as far as World Trade Center 7, we didn't really discuss that.
00:33:34.000They wouldn't even touch that one, as I think it's clear that NIST is having a good deal of trouble.
00:33:41.000But the point is, NIST hires underwriters to find out how they collapse, NIST says something's wrong, planes can't do this, and then NIST says, don't release that.
00:33:55.000Underwriters Laboratories did perform tests as part of the NIST investigation, and that was included in their report.
00:34:00.000The tests that weren't included in their report that UL is denying existed were the tests that were done 40 years ago in preparation for building, constructing the buildings.
00:34:11.000But right now, they're trying to explain, without the help of Underwriters Laboratories, NIST is, how this one building now collapsed simply from fire and not from damage, which is kind of a twist, I would say.
00:34:24.000I don't know if you agree or not, Richard, but it seems to be kind of a change in course.
00:34:30.000Well, all of a sudden, what it means is if a 20-minute fire can take out a 15,000-pound column and cause the symmetrical free-fall collapse of 40,000 tons of structural steel, then all of our codes, not only in this country but throughout the world, are in grave jeopardy of all of a sudden being wrong.
00:35:04.000In fact, some suggestions by NIST for rewriting of codes are being categorically denied as necessary by the American Institute of Architects.
00:35:18.000Yeah, they're going to extreme lengths trying to come up with this story, and I think they're having a great... I think, frankly, Alex, I think that they're going to wait, as you might suggest, until we're too busy with too many other things to finally release this report.
00:35:34.000Yeah, it'll probably never be released.
00:35:36.000Well, I mean, let me go back here as a novice understanding this.
00:35:41.000We have them claiming now that the rules of science and engineering and architecture have changed.
00:35:48.000How are they going to get away with this with the rest of the scientific community?
00:35:52.000I guess that's a controversy that has begun.
00:35:54.000And then you've also got all of the debunkers running around saying that fire did it and boilers did it and the building falling into it did it.
00:36:01.000Now in this new report they're saying no, just fire.
00:36:05.000I want to zoom in on that point and get you guys to elaborate on that, that they're now backing off of many of their previous claims, and so I wonder what all these debunking programs are going to say.
00:36:21.000Well, we touched on the fact that the photographs in this report don't indicate any more damage than any of the other photographs do.
00:36:32.000So, you know, it's very likely they don't have photographs that show extensive damage to the building, so they have to back away from that story and now come up with some sort of a fire-only story for this 47-story building to collapse in six and a half seconds.
00:36:48.000And I can't imagine any story they can tell that will be sustainable in the eyes of the scientific community.
00:36:56.000Yeah, and the debunkers are having a very difficult time with this as a result.
00:37:00.000Because they took away two of their pieces of ammunition.
00:37:06.000Diesel fuel-fed flaps were said to have been a part of this, and yet NIST took that away.
00:37:14.000The only diesel fuel on the east side of the building where the initiation of collapse occurred is on the fifth floor, where the generators were.
00:37:21.000But the collapse, they're saying, occurred well above that, and there's no fire, no evidence of fire, on the fifth floor.
00:37:30.000was taken away and and of course uh... the damage from the north tower uh... was on the south side of the building and apparently not that expensive as uh... produce a new leaked documents and so that they took it they took that away there's no huge scoop out of the building is no evidence uh... of for that so we're we're we're we're left contemplating uh... what any fire protection engineer knows and that is a twenty minute fire and not
00:37:59.000Well, first of all, it couldn't even take out the trusses in the World Trade Center either, by the way, even un-fireproofed.
00:38:06.000And NIST, excuse me, Underwriter Laboratories actually documented that when they did their four tests of the 35 foot span mock truss composite steel decking samples that were made to mimic the assemblies in the World Trade Center.
00:38:29.000So, that was too much of a digression.
00:38:34.000One thing I want to make clear, Richard, and you were in this meeting, at least as a public commentator, is that the December meeting minutes are interesting.
00:38:42.000If you go to NIST and their World Trade Center website, you'll find the minutes, finally, they put out for the December 18th meeting they had.
00:38:50.000And they had some tough questioning, even from the advisory committee.
00:38:54.000Charles Thornton, who is an interesting character, On the advisory committee, he added sometime in the middle of the investigation, and he was one of the engineers that covered up the Oklahoma City disaster, was asking some pointed questions himself, saying, if you don't have fuel in World Trade Center 7, how could fires burn for as long as they did?
00:39:14.000And taking out this major structure that had good fireproofing.
00:39:23.000And not only that, their preliminary hypothesis for the failure of Column 79 notes that Column 79 and many of the other core columns were designed to be laterally unsupported for three floors, all together.
00:39:41.000Three floors were moved 40 feet high, which means that not only would this fire have had to be taken out, Well, it means that the fire would have had to take out the beams that supported the floors, three of them in a row, before the column was unsupported enough to where it would then buckle.
00:40:07.000In other words, there is no plausible scenario whatsoever presented by anybody that can explain how Column 79 even failed.
00:40:22.000Well, I would say that if we get back to the fire that they're saying did exist at the moment, just before collapse, after all the office furnishings had burned up, all the fuel is gone, and still there's this fire, jets of flame shooting out the windows.
00:40:39.000That indicates that there's something other than normal fire there, right?
00:40:43.000There's some sort of pyrotechnic material.
00:40:46.000That also is supported by the World Trade Center dust laboratory work.
00:40:49.000That's also supported by the molten metal And they had the evidence of sulfidation of the steel.
00:40:54.000All of this supports pyrotechnic or thermitic materials being present at the World Trade Center.
00:41:01.000Yeah, if we talk about how could that happen, we look into what kinds of thermitic material we could possibly have seen and could have been placed in the World Trade Center buildings, possibly even without being noticed, at least in the terms in the case of the towers that wasn't occupied by so many Interesting organizations.
00:41:24.000But if we look into that, when we find these energetic nanocomposites, which are thermite materials, very powerful on a nano level, not only is the power from the amount of energy release, but also from the rate of energy release, because a nanothermite is composed of nanoaluminum and oxidizers at a nano level.
00:41:48.000Where the surface area is very large with respect to the volume.
00:42:18.000We'd have to have more evidence, but I would suggest that if a nanothermite is placed in the floors of a failure of the towers, then why wouldn't it, of course, also be placed Okay, gentlemen, we've got to pause there for a break, but we're going to continue for the PrisonPlanet.tv viewers and Infowars.com stream listeners during this break.
00:42:38.000So, for everybody else, we'll be back in three minutes.
00:42:41.000I want to hold you both five minutes over to the next hour as well, because this is so important.
00:42:50.000Do you understand, ladies and gentlemen?
00:42:56.000I'm going to go back to you both, because this will be on the web, it's on the web live now, but later put up on YouTube and the rest of it and for PrisonPlanet.tv folks as an archive as well.
00:43:06.000We'll get back into the science of all this in three minutes, but right now, again, how this is affecting you both individually, because that's important with everybody else in the country.
00:43:14.000How would you like to see this, Richard Gage, Kevin Ryan, Kevin First, Proceed when all of the hypotheses of Jones, Professor Jones and others, continue to be proven while your hypotheses continue to be proven.
00:43:28.000The original Underwriters Report says something's rotten here, you know, fires can't do this in the towers.
00:43:36.000I mean, any real study shows they blew it up.
00:43:41.000But you've got to ask yourself now that you're getting so close to totally proving it open and shut, what do you do with that data?
00:43:49.000Well, we publish it is one thing we're trying to do, and we're trying to convince scientists in more of a mainstream community, right?
00:43:58.000We're trying to get articles published in mainstream journals, so that's one step.
00:44:02.000And then, when we've got enough people in professional sorts of areas who can't deny that this is the truth of the matter, then we need to have some sort of a, I guess, Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
00:44:40.000But I think just as you said, Alex, there's a lot of good people in the government, so we're not really talking about the government did it so much as we're talking about... A criminal element, a criminal section, slash private corporations, yeah.
00:44:50.000Right, we're talking about the people who did it... A rogue!
00:44:54.000Are also people who control elements within our government, and so I think we need to root those people out, but at some point we're also going to have to forgive the many people who didn't speak up early enough, possibly even like underwriters' laboratories.
00:45:10.000If I can... Well, the debunkers are now basically coming out in Republican memos.
00:45:15.000I can hear you, but I cannot hear Alex.
00:45:18.000Oh, I don't know why the network's not sending you that.
00:45:20.000Well, Richard, we're going to be live in just a moment, okay?
00:47:03.000Dennis Kucinich says the number is more like 20,000.
00:47:08.000We were just talking during the behind-the-scenes of PrisonPlanet.tv viewers about where all this goes, and we were talking about the black ops.
00:47:15.000Kevin Ryan wanted to make the point, and I agree with him, it's not the government.
00:47:17.000It's criminal elements, rogue groups, but they're in high positions.
00:47:21.000A small group getting key positions, and then taking over the rest of the government.
00:47:27.000How do you see this unfolding, Richard Gage, Kevin Ryan?
00:47:30.000And now that we've got the proof, their own internal reports, Underwater Laboratories reports that were suppressed, showing these buildings were blown sky high.
00:47:51.000I suppose the only place that it can go is... We won't go anywhere if the American people don't wake up.
00:47:58.000It won't go anywhere if we don't get the support from your listeners to email the AE911Truth.org link to every architect and engineer that they can find, because this is the group of people right now in the 9-11 Truth movement that have the necessary credibility to turn the heads in Congress, and if we don't,
00:48:19.000If we don't activate them and get to 1,000 architects and engineers by 9-11-2008, we may not be in time to wake enough people up before the next false flag operation.
00:49:20.000Well, the architects and engineers have a particular focus, and that is to bring the technical truth to the American people, and we cannot do it without help.
00:49:32.000I can speak to about 10,000 people a year.
00:49:38.000What we need to do is reach millions, and we've got to have Your viewers sending this link to everybody they know.
00:49:45.000Yeah, they've got to send the videos of you that are online, the ones that have linked Kevin to every architect and engineer, not just the website.
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00:52:06.000I discovered many years ago that it was declassified, admitted, not debated, that criminal elements of our government at the highest levels have staged hundreds of terror attacks in foreign countries to blame it on their enemies.
00:52:20.000And so, when I saw the government bomb the Oklahoma City building, when I saw them cook the bomb, train the drivers, provocateur the first World Trade Center attack, When I saw them getting us hyped up before 9-11, I went on air and I said, look out, they're going to hit the towers, and they did.
00:52:36.000Kevin Ryan, member of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth, the founder, also Richard Gage with us.
00:52:42.000Kevin, get back more into tracing back thermate, explosive accelerants, thermate, this explosive type of thermite, getting down into nano-sized particulates, the residue found in multiple samples there, and then you look at who's doing the investigation, who's doing the cover-up, Okay, great.
00:52:59.000Yeah, the thermite that I'm most interested in is sprayable.
00:53:11.000It's a material that was developed by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, and they clearly make it stated that they can spray this on surfaces.
00:53:21.000And so that relates to the question of how the floors in the World Trade Center Um, that were impacted and had fires in them just happened to match up exactly with the floors of fireproofing upgrade in 1999 and so forth.
00:53:35.000Well, in 1999, these scientists at Lawrence Livermore National National Lab performed experiments on these energetic nanocomposites at NIST.
00:53:45.000So then, you know, that leads you to the question of how NIST has responded to questions about thermite.
00:53:50.000They've actually acted like they never heard of it before.
00:53:55.000We just never imagined that was a possibility.
00:53:59.000But, of course, that's absurd when you look at Forman Williams, their leading engineer on their advisory committee and so forth.
00:54:05.000But if you look at their top directors as well, there was Arden Beeman, who was nominated by George W. Bush in October of 2001, a month after the events, and became the director of NIST shortly thereafter.
00:54:20.000He was a former Deputy Secretary of Defense and a former Director of DARPA's Office of Material Science, and a former executive at TRW.
00:54:30.000TRW is a military contractor that is involved in creating gellent materials for energetic nanocomposites.
00:54:39.000He's also connected to very interesting organizations like Battelle.
00:54:42.000You've probably heard of Battelle, but they're an organization that manages the five national laboratories for the Department of Energy.
00:54:51.000So Delord Corporation, he's a director of, they make coatings, high-tech coatings.
00:54:57.000The connections between this guy and the possibilities of what happened at the World Trade Center are extensive.
00:55:04.000And we have a second director nominated after Beamett leaves in November of 2004, and this is Harach Simerjian.
00:55:13.000This is a guy who was the director of NIST's chemical division for years, and actually wrote 10 papers with the world's leading expert on energetic nanocomposites.
00:55:31.000I don't mean to come out and accuse these people today, but I'm just saying that these connections are too clear and too coincidental.
00:55:39.000If you're nominating people who just happen to have all this experience, In what is ultimately being found to be a culprit in the event.
00:55:48.000You have an incredibly specific and rare science with probably only a few hundred people in the world or less that are experts and you don't just have some of the experts, you have the fathers of these weapons systems who are minions of Bush, pro-war hawks, Magically running the investigation and then laughing at you saying thermite what?
00:57:19.000This is before the attacks and then it's them involved in the cover-up.
00:57:24.000I mean, it doesn't get any worse than this, ladies and gentlemen.
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01:00:39.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:00:44.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:00:49.000Alright, final segment with Engineer Kevin Ryan, who worked at Underwriting Laboratories, discovered they had ...reports they were suppressing about the fact that those fires wouldn't have brought down the towers, much less Building 7.
01:01:05.000He got fired over that, over speaking out.
01:01:10.000And, of course, we have Richard Gage, who is an architect, builds large buildings.
01:01:14.000He looked at the evidence, couldn't believe it.
01:01:16.000He's got over 400 architects and engineers now part of his group.
01:01:19.000Before we go any further, men, both give out websites you think are important for people to visit.
01:01:26.000Well, you could start with ae911truth.org.
01:01:36.000And then Kevin's got a great website at Scholars.
01:01:40.000Yeah, we've got a Scholars website, stj911.com.
01:01:44.000We've got the Journal of 9-11 Studies.com, Journal of 9-1-1 Studies.com.
01:01:49.000I've contributed to a book that's coming out again here shortly.
01:01:53.000The Hidden History of 9-1-1, the editor is Paul Zaremka, where I talk about some of the science involved in some of the debunking that went on.
01:02:24.000Kevin Ryan, you were getting into another one of these engineers involved in the NIST chicanery and his connections.
01:02:34.000Well, we went through Forman Williams, the lead engineer in the advisory committee, went through the directors Beeman and Sumerjian.
01:02:41.000We talked about SEIC, which is the Science Application International Corporation.
01:02:48.000And they have connections to Thermite and they were the The largest contingent on the NIST investigation outside of the government employees.
01:02:57.000They have a company called Applied Ordnance Technology that does research on energetic nanocomposites.
01:03:04.000And they also were involved in contracts coordinated by a company, not a company, but a military organization called the Naval Surface Warfare Center in Indian Head in 1999 to 2000.
01:03:21.000They're actually a manufacturer of the materials needed for energetic nanocomposites.
01:03:27.000So, you know, there's a lot of connections here.
01:03:30.000I think you can go to the 9-11 Commission and you see some really interesting connections.
01:03:35.000You see John Layman, who was a 9-11 Commissioner, former Secretary of the Navy, and he just decided to buy a company called Special Devices in 1998 and then divest in 2001.
01:03:51.000This is a company that makes explosives for spacecraft.
01:04:11.000separation joint materials, shape charges for explosives on...
01:04:17.000You know, the average spacecraft has a great deal of pyrotechnic charges going off throughout its mission.
01:04:24.000And just to make sure that Popular Mechanics knows if they're listening, there's no need to run wiring between Cape Canaveral and Mars to make that happen.
01:04:34.000But I think the space connections are...
01:05:11.000Yeah, I've got a paper that I wrote called Another Amazing Coincidence at the World Trade Center, and it shows how the floors that were upgraded for fireproofing in the towers matched almost exactly with the floors where the planes impacted.
01:05:28.000And the fires, which shouldn't have been there for so long, actually occurred.
01:05:33.000And so, then we go into looking at the NIST report that talks about this, and there were some reports mentioned that aren't available to the public.
01:05:42.000One was made by a company called Burrow Appled, an engineering consultant from England.
01:05:47.000They did an investigation of these fireproofing upgrades, and as they were going on, as they were starting, and they were suggesting the use of, quote, alternative materials.
01:05:58.000Let's just speculate on the possibilities for how this could happen.
01:06:02.000You know, thermitic materials applied underneath fireproofing would work just as well as if they were applied, you know, without fireproofing.
01:06:10.000And let's not forget, this building had the CIA, the FBI, Defense Intelligence.
01:06:25.000So, if they were using alternative materials for fireproofing, they might use something, for example, intumescent paint is something that would be used for fireproofing, but if somebody was applying it and they didn't know what it really was... I was about to say, this sounds perfect, where you give them the material, you give them the diagrams on how to apply it, they don't even know what they're doing!
01:06:59.000Normally, thermite materials are detonated usually by something called a percussion primer, which is a very highly physical impact, or by a magnesium ignition, sometimes by something like on the spacecraft that is easier sometimes by something like on the spacecraft that is easier to ignite called ZPP, zirconium.
01:07:20.000I forgot the entire name of it, but ZPP is the acronym.
01:07:32.000Of course they're using their high-tech brains for this.
01:07:34.000I mean, this is just classic behavior by these people.
01:07:37.000Well, you might think it's unusual or strange, but if you go back to when I read David Gray Griffin's first book, The New Pearl Harbor, in 2004, the only thing unusual or surprising about that book to me was his suggestion that the motive was for space Weaponization.
01:07:59.000So, then you look through these people who are involved in the companies that have access to all these things and find a lot of connections to space.
01:08:07.000You also find a lot of connections to space exploration and the debunkers and the diverters.
01:08:14.000I mean, if you think about it, a lot of people who either work for NASA or they're space exploration buffs.
01:08:21.000And again, I'm not trying to accuse anybody.
01:08:25.000that people who work for NASA and have experience.
01:08:27.000No, you've just got the world expert in thermate nano everywhere, every group applying the special fireproofing, and they're just everywhere.
01:08:35.000But then you bring this up to them and they say, never heard of thermite.
01:08:48.000Kevin, regarding the impact, the coincidence of the fireproofing upgrades at the impact zones of each tower, I think what you're saying is we have the fireproofing upgrades for 90.
01:09:02.000The exact floors that catch on fire, and then NIST has to admit, right before it collapses, the fires are almost out, then suddenly all over the building, fires blasting out of windows.
01:09:13.000the thermate squibs, just like on the towers.
01:09:25.000My question is that what happens then to the concrete floor slabs below those levels?
01:09:32.000Because I can understand that there was some spray on high-tech nanothermites in the areas of these impact zones, but what we have is the systematic destruction, the impact zone right now on the side of the cocktails from past operations They may have had two or three overlays, and I think the evidence is a novice, shows multiple types of explosives being used.
01:09:58.000I think that's where Richard is going.
01:10:00.000Richard also talked about the upgrades of the elevator shafts by the Ace Elevator Company, where again we see the unusual case of all the elevator mechanics disappearing.
01:10:13.000After the event when they normally would be the ones to stay and save people.
01:10:17.000And again, we're not trying to accuse these people of anything, but it is unusual how these things all add up.
01:10:24.000I've got to have you up the next few weeks for a two, three hour presentation, both of you.
01:10:28.000This is even worse than what I thought.
01:10:30.000I mean, I've been reading all your papers and looking at the documents, but hearing it all put together, Kevin Ryan, Richard Gage, you blow me away.
01:10:39.000When you guys really got hot on the trail about two years ago, and when Jones brought out his evidence, suddenly I saw him get attacked by every quarter by the quote, crazies.
01:10:48.000And people who hadn't been crazy, go crazy, and they all attacked him and Thermate and Thermite.
01:10:53.000And I see that as another key indicator and how they went after his job and the rest of it.
01:10:58.000That's another example of just, they came out of the woodwork.
01:11:02.000When he said Thermate, it was like the debunkers just went on overdrive and came out from every angle.
01:11:09.000I mean, is that not another indicator here?
01:11:25.000This guy, Smith guy, that's doing them, wouldn't let me talk about Northwoods, wouldn't let me talk about massing U.S.
01:11:30.000troops in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, the areas I focus on.
01:11:34.000And they then told Dylan Avery that we didn't have footage of Barry Jennings, the Deputy Emergency Manager, saying that there were bodies and bombs and stuff.
01:11:45.000He begged us not to, but then he went and talked to them.
01:11:47.000And so, just very disingenuous, this production.
01:11:55.000Well, I'm looking forward to seeing it.
01:11:56.000They interviewed Stephen Jones and myself, and I got a call from Mike Rudin of the BBC, who's more involved in this than Guy Smith, who was involved in the last hit piece, and he told me that the scenes that he had lined up to play, and so it looks like he's gonna play the stuff that we need him to play, so I'm actually very hopeful this time.
01:12:21.000Okay, gentlemen, we'll talk to you very soon.
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01:15:03.000It attacks a lot of angles, not just the government drug dealing, but how prescription drugs and alcohol kill thousands of times what other drugs do, and how it's all a big scam.
01:15:11.000We'll go over that with Kevin someday, but Kevin was good friends with Bill Hicks, his original producer.
01:15:16.000He's got the best-selling book on Bill Hicks.
01:15:20.000It's finally in a few newspapers, so Kevin can talk some about it.
01:15:24.000Russell Crowe, one of my favorite actors, is going to be making a movie about Bill Hicks, playing Bill Hicks.
01:15:30.000In the next few years it should be out.
01:15:32.000And also George Carlin, kind of remembering him.
01:15:34.000All those other serious stuff's happening.
01:15:38.000Israel's prodding the US to attack Iran.
01:16:18.000But right now, just because it's interesting, we might as well fiddle while Rome burns.
01:16:25.000But Bill Hicks was an anti-establishment icon.
01:16:30.000How much can you tell us about the Russell Crowe stuff?
01:16:32.000You've told me a lot, but I don't want to say anything in case it's off record.
01:16:35.000Well, it's still pretty much early in the development.
01:16:38.000I believe Russell Crowe decided that he wanted to, he just got it in his head that he wanted to be Bill Hicks on stage.
01:16:48.000And he started, I guess, having fantasies about, you know, portraying Bill Hicks in a small club and being like the angry guy on stage and the whole thing.
01:16:57.000And they've been through a lot of different Uh, generations of how this film would go.
01:17:02.000They first started thinking it would be like this big long performance piece, and then they realized the more they worked on it, that it had to become more like just a normal film.
01:17:13.000I believe they've owned the rights, the life rights for a while to do this, so they've been tinkering with this for a while.
01:17:18.000So it's really still in its early stages, but it does look like it's going to happen.
01:17:24.000You know, it looks like it's probably going to happen with somebody like Russell Crowe behind it and all that.
01:17:28.000Boy, you are holding your cards close to the vest, Kevin.
01:17:32.000I mean, it's been in a few publications that Russell Crowe's making it, and what, we're looking for March of 2009?
01:17:39.000Yeah, but I mean, right now a script doesn't even exist.
01:17:42.000Yeah, so they keep getting behind on it.
01:17:44.000Yeah, I mean, you know, the guy, I mean, the guy was just here at my house the other day working on the script, so, I mean, you know, I know that there's not even a script yet to read, so... Well, that's the thing, is it's such a love affair for Russell Crowe that he wants to make it perfect, and sometimes if you try that with something, it never happens.
01:18:02.000Yeah, so, it's, um, you know, it'll be interesting.
01:18:06.000I do know once they, you know, they get this synopsis up and running, this guy by the name of Mark Stauffer, who, I believe his old buddies with Russell.
01:18:14.000In fact, when you talk to him on the phone, you think you're talking to Russell.
01:18:17.000Yeah, he's one of the ranch guys from out there in Australia and New Zealand.
01:18:21.000Yeah, he's from New Zealand, and he looks like Russell and sounds like Russell.
01:18:25.000I've known him for a long time, and so he's just kind of one of, I guess, Russell's homies, you would say.
01:18:36.000I think he wrote one other script for Russell.
01:18:38.000Right now, Russell is finishing this movie called Nottingham, I think.
01:18:43.000Big mega blockbuster and then after he's done with that he's going to put his full-time attention on this.
01:18:48.000And I believe it's with a smaller company called Weed Road or something like that.
01:18:54.000It's a production company that has something to do with a beautiful mind.
01:18:58.000Well, Kevin, this is super exciting and I'm just glad that you're involved in it in a small way.
01:19:02.000And I will sit here and enjoy watching this from afar as you sit there high atop your Hollywood mountain in Lawrence Fishburne's former house in the Matrix.
01:19:45.000We're doing this new thing, Kevin, where PrisonPlanet.tv, this is streaming and the audio stream on the web, so it's not millions of people, it's thousands live right now, and then tens of thousands, millions over the years watching on the web.
01:20:00.000Explaining that to people on the web, too, who are watching.
01:20:03.000So I wanted to keep talking before we come back with the Lawrence Fishburne thing, because I've also got to plug something, so I'll take up some of your time.
01:20:10.000Tell me a little bit about the Arpaio thing.
01:20:20.000You know, anybody listening to this who is a voter in the Maricopa County area and wants to see Arpaio get out before he gets into a seventh term needs to be aware that his seat is coming back up again here in November and now is the time to jump on this thing if you're interested in getting him out.
01:20:41.000The Democratic Party there in Maricopa County has contacted me, and they're interested in using my drug war footage to create a series of campaign ads, and we're working on that right now.
01:20:52.000But our pie, I mean, it's just business as usual.
01:20:55.000These guys from a local newspaper there in Phoenix Actually, uncovered a deal where Arpaio has been buying millions of dollars in property with cash.
01:21:06.000And this is a guy who earns, you know, on the book, $78,000 a year from a government job, and somehow has bought millions of dollars in property with cash, you know, over a couple of years.
01:21:21.000And so these guys from a local Phoenix newspaper went and uncovered the court documents And, and tried to expose this thing in a local newspaper.
01:21:29.000Well, Sheriff Joe had them arrested in the middle of the night, had them hauled off in an unmarked car with Mexican license plates.
01:21:36.000And, um, and it just created like a really big stir.
01:21:39.000And so it really turned the tides on a lot of the local media there, uh, in the Phoenix area being against Sheriff Joe.
01:21:46.000But still, I mean, Sheriff Joe, even on the national spotlight, I mean, I'm watching MSNBC today and they're just, you know, this whole story about Shaq doing the rap about Kobe.
01:21:55.000And Sheriff Joe, I mean, he must have a full-time PR team working for him because his name has just become like a regular part of American folklore when they're just talking on MSNBC and Fox News.
01:22:09.000You know, Sheriff Joe is just like a normal character.
01:22:12.000He's done a lot of bad stuff, but they're going after him because he is doing what no other sheriff will do, or is allowed to.
01:22:18.000He will arrest illegal aliens for no driver's license, no insurance, or drunk driving.
01:22:22.000I've had Austin cops tell me, we do not arrest illegals unless they're so drunk they can't walk.
01:22:27.000They arrested one of my contractors here for having his license being expired, and they said, yeah, we're told to not arrest illegals for no driver's license.
01:22:46.000He knows it's popular to go after illegals with right-wingers, and so he's just arresting a few in here and there to make it look like that, and the Democrats are freaking out.
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01:29:06.000Kevin, you were finishing up, we were talking about Joe Arpaio, just going crazier and crazier, and now the Democrats want to use your American Drug War film to go after him.
01:29:16.000Yeah, I've been contacted by the head of the Democratic Party there in Maricopa County, and they've got a new guy that they want to put against him.
01:29:24.000But, you know, usually in a sheriff race, you wouldn't even hear about this until September, with the election being in November.
01:29:31.000But with Sheriff Joe being in his sixth term, going for his seventh term, it's going to take a lot to turn the tides on this guy.
01:29:39.000You know, there's just the recent deal where we were just talking about on the internet break about
01:29:47.000How, you know, Sheriff Joe has been purchasing land, paying for cash, he's been, you know, buying, it's on the books, over a million dollars for the property, using cash money, and this is a guy on a fixed government income, and so these guys with the local press, the New Times in Phoenix, went after him, they pulled some court documents, and Sheriff Joe had these guys arrested in the middle of the night, hauled off in some unmarked vehicle with Mexican license plates.
01:30:13.000And because of that, it's created a new outrage in the Phoenix area, but still, with all the conservatives there in the Phoenix area, you know, let's face it, Phoenix being one of the last places to have MLK Day, on and on, it ain't gonna be easy to get them out.
01:30:34.000Well, you know, I mean, that's, you know, so they're gonna create a series of ads using my film, and I just think, I urge anybody in the Maricopa area, anybody who's a voter, to get involved with this.
01:30:54.000This is a guy that has created a local empire from fighting the drug war, from being, he's made himself popular.
01:31:06.000He's like a regular personality now on Fox News, on CNN.
01:31:12.000on um on all these shows i mean this guy's using the taxpayers money to run a full-time pr team for himself to make himself into this celebrity guy and uh and the locals just love him they just love him love him love him because they they see it as like he's tough on crime and and uh and really i mean he's he's profiting from you know the more drug seizures that they can make i mean every time I mean, how is it that... Kevin, you're believing his PR firm, bro.
01:31:42.000The people don't like Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
01:31:44.000I mean, you may have liked the people who are all about to die, who are like 90 years old, who believe the television set, but that's about it.
01:31:54.000Well, I know a lot of people in Phoenix that like him.
01:31:58.000You know, I actually have some family there that love him, you know, and it's not going to be easy to get him out, so I think anybody who's interested... Look, he's the wave of the future, Kevin.
01:32:10.000They're hiring thousands and thousands every year more aggravated felons for the military and police.
01:32:16.000Travis County's legalized hiring felons for their Sheriff's Department now.
01:32:21.000Oh, I mean, it'll be literally, literally, aggravated felons will rule us.
01:33:32.000There's so many cowardly scumbag people, and I don't just mean the police, and they're just all going to serve evil until they're totally bankrupt like the Germans with their cities completely bombed out and invaded.
01:33:44.000Everybody that, you know, look, everybody out there listening to this, you have family, you have friends that believe in what the other side is doing.
01:33:53.000Those are the people you need to talk to.
01:33:54.000You know, I try to talk to my relatives and friends and just say, you know, people that are still Bush supporters even, and go, what are you getting out of this?
01:34:04.000I mean, you know, you belong to this team.
01:34:07.000You're still... For this, it's like, what is it doing for you?
01:34:11.000And they, you know, they're just scared.
01:34:13.000They're all really just, they're just afraid is really what it's all about.
01:34:16.000And so they want to, they think like belonging to the winning team Be a part of the big winning team is what's going to save them in the end.
01:34:24.000Well, wait until the Democrats get in office, Kevin.
01:34:26.000It's going to be a new winning team with that, and all the Bush agenda is just going to continue with different window dressing, and suddenly Democrats are going to love the Military Commissions Act.
01:34:54.000I know, but still, I mean, looking back, I mean, I still have to wonder what would be the difference right now had it been Carrier-Bush for the last four years.
01:35:04.000You know, he would be just de-accelerated.
01:35:15.000Maybe only because conservatives, real grassroots conservatives, are the ones that fight gun control, open borders, police state in the past, and that they knew they had to have a Republican in so they would all be pacified.
01:35:28.000Because, yeah, the Democrats would have tried to triple It's now tripled.
01:35:57.000I just got to show, though, that if a 71-year-old man can just suddenly drop dead, I think George is probably in much better shape than McCain.
01:36:07.000Uh, you know, there's a reason I don't want to have a 75-year-old guy to be the president.
01:36:11.000Well, I'll tell you this, Obama will not live long until Hillary's his VP.
01:36:16.000He's got to be smart enough to know that.
01:36:19.000Yeah, no, it'll be amazing if Obama can survive for a year.
01:36:23.000No, it'll, you know, it'll be crazy to see what happens if he gets in.
01:36:30.000Yeah, they'll probably kill him and have a white supremacist mind control guy do it, and then they'll ban guns because of it, and black folks will burn down every city in the country, and then they'll use that for martial law.
01:36:42.000Any way you cut it, it's... I think George Carlin's right.
01:36:47.000George Carlin, you know, you've got to give it to him.
01:36:49.000I mean, George Carlin was talking about this stuff back in the 70s, you know?
01:36:54.000I mean, I would definitely say that George Carlin was a The godfather of a lot of this movement right now, and I think a lot of people owe a lot to him.
01:37:05.000Well, I'm not big on his atheist thing, but at the same time, he's saying how they're dumbing you down on purpose, and the wars, and I mean, I think Bill Hicks got a lot from him, didn't he?
01:37:17.000I mean, I can't imagine anybody, you know, trying to do that brand, that breed of comedy will sit there and say that they don't owe a lot to George Carlin.
01:37:32.000Been a bunch of other high-profile deaths this year.
01:37:36.000Yeah, but I would say Richard Pryor, to me Richard Pryor and George Carlin were the kings.
01:37:43.000And although Lenny Bruce has gotten all the accolades for being the guy that broke all these boundaries, I have to admit when I go back and listen to Lenny Bruce albums, they're just not that funny to me.
01:38:15.000I gave him a bunch of Bill Hicks stuff, and just told him what a big influence he was to Bill, and he, you know, smiled and gave me the thumbs up and all that, and he died just a couple weeks later.
01:38:28.000Oh, so you did physically visit with him, or his wife told you he was smiling?
01:38:31.000Yeah, no, his wife was just sitting there with him on the phone.
01:38:35.000They kept inviting me over, and every time I'd be in route, she'd call and say I'm having a rush from the hospital.
01:38:40.000It happened like three times in a row, and I just kind of ducked out of this.
01:38:54.000I mean, you watch Chris Rock or somebody, that's not even funny.
01:38:58.000Yeah, it's funny to go now, when you go back and watch those Eddie Murphy concerts, boy, those things sure got dated.
01:39:04.000You know, or watching Eddie Murphy wearing those leather jumpsuits and being all tough and cool, like right after he left FNL, it's like, oh boy, that got dated fast.
01:39:15.000No, no, Richard Pryor stuff, you can watch that.
01:39:18.000You know, I recommend people watch that Richard Pryor live on the Sunset Strip, one of the first recorded comedy concert films that Bill took me to the theater probably ten times in a row to watch the thing over and over again.
01:39:30.000We filmed the Sane Man film, which is Bill's first feature-length film that I produced.
01:39:36.000We completely based the whole thing on wanting to kind of look like that and sound like that and feel like that.
01:39:43.000So anybody out there should check out the Richard Pryor.
01:39:45.000It runs on cable, Showtime, every so often.
01:39:49.000Another guy that's really good too is Paul Mooney.
01:39:51.000He was a big influence on Richard Pryor, actually helped Richard Pryor with a lot of material, and he has a new Showtime special out as well.
01:40:09.000You don't expect somebody like George Carlin or all these other people that are dying, Charlton Heston, and they're just gone.
01:40:16.000And it reminds you, and then in my own personal life, people dying around me, and I got a great uncle who I really like who's dying, real sick, and it just makes you enjoy life a lot more, I'll tell you that.
01:40:28.000It makes me appreciate every moment I got, Kevin.
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01:45:27.000But I was running on the dog trail with this place, this running canyon, where everybody goes, lots of people there.
01:45:35.000And I ran into him, and I walked up to him, and I said, the address of the house, and he was like, oh yeah, well, you know, I said, oh, I bought that place, and we were just talking about it and all that.
01:45:43.000And I thought that I asked him if he knew who Bill Hicks was, and I thought that he said yes, right?
01:45:48.000So it turns out this guy who was doing editing for me through these other people knew his home address, his new home address, so I mailed him a book, right?
01:45:57.000So now, a couple days later, I'm out on this other trail, but now it's this place where you park your car, it's like five miles into the woods, out in the middle of nowhere, And here I run into Lawrence Fishburne and I go, hey, did you get that book?
01:46:11.000He just turns around and he's just like, who are you?