In this episode of Conspiracy Theories, host Alex Jones is joined by long-time conspiracy theorist Jordan Maxwell to discuss the New World Order, the Illuminati, and the Roman Catholic Church. They discuss the origins of these secret societies, who they are, where they come from, and why they are important.
00:00:04.000Jordan, we're going to be back on the main radio show in about three minutes, but I didn't want to waste any of the time that we have with you.
00:00:13.000I want to walk through for people, because I know you've been immersed in this so long it becomes old hat, but I want to look, going back briefly, at the roots of all of this, and then what's at the top of the pyramid.
00:00:47.000Yeah, it's such a convoluted subject when you want to talk about who's actually in charge.
00:00:54.000I would say that Europe, as I said, for 2,300 years has been at the bottom of all politics And, of course, Europe has been the home of the Roman Empire.
00:01:10.000And, of course, the Vatican dominates Europe today.
00:01:13.000As a matter of fact, we are used to, in this country, hearing about royalty and the princes and Prince Charles and Prince Andrew and the Queen Mum.
00:01:27.000But all of that royalty, the entire concept of royalty of Europe, is based on God's, on something called the divine right of kings.
00:01:47.000Therefore you go to the Vatican, kneel before the holiness, His Holiness the Pope, And he crowned you, or knights you, into an order of knighthood.
00:01:57.000It doesn't matter from what country you come, it doesn't matter.
00:02:03.000Okay, okay, well let's, I want to give people just a basic overview who don't understand of why these secret societies are important, where it's going, who they are, and then currently today, top of the pyramid, you're saying I think that Europe is at the top of the pyramid, and Europe is the problem with America today.
00:02:21.000European secret societies are... And at the top of that pyramid, you really think it's the Roman Catholic Church?
00:03:04.000Well, I'm going to try to keep Jordan five minutes to the next hour, but then we have State Rep Charles Key exposing Oklahoma City as an inside job bombing, and then they've passed resolution to fight the New World Order at the state level to basically pull out of the union.
00:03:19.000And the new order continues to expand.
00:03:56.000You talk about how their main goal, and now they admit this, is to create two species of humanoid, dumb us down, exterminate most of us.
00:04:05.000I'm just throwing out the basics here, because broad strokes here in the time we have, and For the behind-the-scenes viewers of PrisonPlanet.tv, I want to continue that discussion afterwards.
00:04:15.000After you finish that with, you believe the Roman Catholic Church is at the very top.
00:04:19.000I didn't mean the Roman Catholic adherence to the people, but that system dominating Europe and that it's at war With the Knights Templars who went to Germany, who went from there into Scotland and then into the United States.
00:04:35.000Are those two, the Anglo-American establishment, really waging war with Europe?
00:04:40.000Or why on the surface does it look like they're all working together?
00:04:44.000Or is that what the New World Order is?
00:04:46.000Was the Knights Templars claiming they were going to build a new order, but now it's really just a new order that's run by the Vatican?
00:04:54.000Again, this is where all the evidence points.
00:05:23.000Well, I think that it's all one ball of wax.
00:05:27.000It's all one operation that goes back thousands of years into the ancient past, a religio-political establishment on the earth.
00:05:38.000In the ancient prehistoric world, The kings were always not only head of government and law, but they also represented the connection between mankind, their followers, and God.
00:05:52.000So consequently, they held absolute sovereign power.
00:05:58.000And I have always understood that kingships and princes is nothing more than the crypts and the bloods.
00:06:05.000People who have taken for themselves Uh, the idea that they are royalty.
00:06:16.000Not to question who said that you are royal.
00:06:20.000I mean, in America, nobody likes to be around somebody who is pompous and arrogant and better than anybody else.
00:06:28.000Nobody likes to be around those people because everybody realizes those people live in a dream world who treat you and mistreat you and look down on you and snob you.
00:06:40.000People know that that's just a fake and that they're no better than anybody else.
00:06:47.000So we naturally feel that about people who are snobs.
00:06:51.000However, if it's the Holy Father or the Queen Mum, now that's different.
00:06:56.000We will get on our knees and shake and slobber on ourselves because we will be able to see the Holy Father, or we will be able to see Queen Mum or Prince Charles.
00:07:08.000We'll struggle and pay whatever we have to to get in line to see Prince Charles drive by when in point of fact the British royalty Vatican royalty, royalty all over Europe, is nothing but the crypts and the bloods, gangs, gangs who have murdered and killed and destroyed the freedom of peoples all over the earth, and today they are in power.
00:07:35.000They're ruthless, they're murderous, They are nothing more than gang wars, secret societies, criminal cults, criminal operations.
00:08:00.000Royalty and holy people at the top, the priests and the holy ones of And all the different religions from the Billy Grahams to the papacy to all the silly nonsense that's on Christian television with all the preachers who are making 10-15 million dollars with their huge enormous churches.
00:08:25.000And people are extraordinarily interested in being lied to, deceived, You know, even in the Bible, there's a story about Pontius Pilate bringing Jesus to the crowd with Barabbas.
00:08:39.000And on the one hand, he's got Barabbas, which everybody knows is a con artist and a murderer and a thief.
00:08:45.000And then on the other side is Jesus, who represents the truth and the light.
00:08:50.000And it's a metaphoric story where government says to the people, Pontius Pilate, head of government, says to the people, Here is Barabbas, a murdering, thieving scumbag.
00:09:05.000And here is Jesus, representing the truth and the light.
00:09:09.000And the scripture says, with one voice, the people cried out, Give us Barabbas!
00:09:14.000Which is translated symbolically to mean, when the people of this world are given an opportunity to know the truth, or to crawl on their knees before their masters, Who are nothing more than liars, murderers, bloodshedding thieves.
00:09:29.000People will always support the masters.
00:10:13.000They think it's cute and funny, and I don't understand it.
00:10:17.000Well, I mean, you know, in a country that is Staggering in their economic woes and economic disabilities in this country.
00:10:27.000People are crawling on their knees, sleeping in their cars, and yet the alcohol industry, smoking industry, television, Uh, entertainment movies are making a bumper crop.
00:11:11.000There's going to be a time very soon when Americans, generally speaking, and the worst part about it is that the masses will never wake up.
00:11:20.000They will just become Acclimated to the system.
00:11:25.000Well I read government documents, I mean the new thing said you'll be arrested if you're seen hugging your child or kissing them.
00:11:30.000I mean so and the government says we'll be in gray uniforms with shaved heads basically lobotomized and that's who's even allowed to live and I see them phasing that in rather quickly the way it's going.
00:11:42.000That's exactly what I'm saying and so I'm frightened because I know what is coming on the earth.
00:11:48.000I know the kind of world which is coming and the people have no idea generally speaking the public doesn't know they don't care because they've been acclimated to it they have already learned how to crawl on their knees when they see uh... some holy most some holy man with uh... with a robo at that the black role they shaken fear uh... efforts of the black role for the priest a shaken fear so they've been acclimated and taught
00:12:16.000To be impressed with movie stars and wealthy people with big money.
00:12:22.000But it seems that the elite themselves have gotten more reckless and wild.
00:12:27.000And the reason why is because they realize the entire human race is worthless.
00:12:33.000The entire human race is going to buy anything you put out there And now it's like the criminal element doesn't even know what to do with itself anymore.
00:12:50.000That's like the White House publicly says they're running Al-Qaeda and has them attacking Iran, and the media says Iran is Al-Qaeda when they're Shiites, the opposite group.
00:13:00.000And then, it's just all over the news, Republicans saying, we love terror attacks, they sure help us.
00:13:09.000I mean, how much more obvious, and then Gary Hart writes a letter, has it published in the newspaper, saying, our government stages attacks, Iran better do what they're told.
00:13:19.000I mean, they're basically, they may come out and say they did it soon.
00:13:26.000Couldn't care less, because it doesn't mean much to anybody anyway.
00:13:32.000Even on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno, when he does the jaywalks, when he walks down the street and talks to people and asks the average American, you know, who won the Second World War?
00:13:43.000They don't even know what you're talking about.
00:13:44.000They didn't know there was a Second World War.
00:13:47.000And of course, that thing we talked about before, about that young lady Miss Teen America.
00:14:32.000Well, for instance, all those law books and all that stuff about religion and all that.
00:14:37.000And, uh, you know, the, what the bottom line is, is that he is so far removed from reality that anybody has a half a brain looks like a freak to him.
00:15:19.000We know that, I mean, literally, I know a ton of people are 25, 30 years old, got cancer, people dying, little kids everywhere dying from it.
00:15:26.000You know, the brain damaging everywhere.
00:15:27.000I mean, we know they're carrying it out.
00:15:29.000But I mean, when is it really going to, I mean, how do you see things unfolding?
00:15:33.000Well, I think that it's like a train going downhill with the brakes off.
00:15:39.000They're scurrying to do anything and everything they can now, because it's like nothing succeeds like success.
00:15:47.000And so the more successful they become, the more arrogant and out of control they are, until now it's a feeding frenzy.
00:15:58.000Exactly, a mass looting, a sacking of humanity.
00:16:38.000I see it very, and it frightens me because I see the children on the streets, little ones in schools, thinking, my God, what kind of a world are we leaving our children?
00:16:51.000You know, and people say, well, I see a light at the end of the tunnel, and people are waking up, and I said, look, the only light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming.
00:17:00.000Because eventually, you're going to wake up and find out that the situation was far more serious than you even suspected.
00:17:08.000Well, that's the thing, is that people think I fearmonger exaggerate, and literally 99 times out of 100, it's many times worse than what I even thought.
00:17:35.000I got a letter from Disney for some piece of business and they said, please get this in the mail immediately or bring it over to us because we need this paperwork immediately.
00:17:46.000So I put it in an envelope and drove over to Disney and drove up to the security gate and said, would you please drop this in the mail for a certain party?
00:17:59.000We have to sit down And so the security guy has to open the letter and sit down and read my personal letter and read what's in it first before he can decide if he will let that piece of mail go through.
00:18:11.000Because he doesn't know because he's got a badge and he's in charge.
00:18:15.000Yeah, I mean, they're just habitualizing total tyranny.
00:19:27.000I mean, anybody that's got more than 500 brain cells going all in the same direction knows it.
00:19:32.000It's outrageous, but I was just saying that I went to Disney Studios yesterday, because I got a letter from Disney saying that there was a piece of work that I'm doing with Disney, I was just saying that I went to Disney Studios yesterday because I got a letter from Disney saying that there was a piece of work that I'm doing with Disney, and they needed a contract signed.
00:19:48.000And so they said, get this back to us immediately because you only have a couple of days to get this contract in.
00:19:54.000So get it immediately or bring it over.
00:19:56.000So I took the contract over in the envelope, sealed it up, and drove over there.
00:20:01.000And all the security guard had to do was throw it in the mailbox.
00:20:04.000Yeah, just throw it in the mailbox and drop it in the mail.
00:20:06.000So I said, this is just a piece of mail, but I wanted to drop it in instead of mailing it because it's time sensitive.
00:20:13.000And he said, oh, no, no, we can't do that.
00:20:23.000I have to open the mail, and I have to read the contract, and I've got to see exactly who wrote this contract and who signed it and what it's all about.
00:20:39.000And I said, "Why don't you just drop it in the mail?" Because if there's anything wrong, the people who it's going to will tell me, "That's not your business to know.
00:20:48.000You're just a security." No, no, I've got the badge.
00:20:52.000It's my, I'm the boss 'cause I have the badge.
00:20:55.000So I have to open the mail and I have to sit down and take a few minutes and read this contract and see who it's going to and who signed it and before I can drop it in the mail, And I said, why don't you just drop it in the mail?
00:21:41.000If the United States is run by the Knights Templars, or I guess you said it's inseparable, and then the Vatican wants to get rid of the borders, why does every city, and I have articles that came out in the news today and yesterday, mainline news, the police do not arrest illegals for drinking and driving, they do not arrest them for anything but felonies.
00:21:58.000and they are also hiring aggravated felons that are mainly foreigners who join the military, and the illegals are literally above the law, and then even when the police say Mexican troops are kidnapping and killing Americans, the news tells them that can't be true.
00:22:17.000Well, because it's a base, first of all, it's a very important base for revolution in the North Americas.
00:22:28.000It's a very important operating base, like the Contras have bases in Central America, like the, uh, Medellin Cartel have their protected bases of operation for drug trafficking.
00:22:40.000Well, for tyranny and, uh, and drug trafficking, Underworld activities.
00:23:25.000Because, you know, that's the only thing Bush ever said that is 100% correct.
00:23:29.000He said that Our enemies hate us because of our freedom.
00:23:36.000The terrorists attacked us because they hate our freedom, and then you find out the terrorist is the black ops.
00:23:42.000And they did it to get our freedom, and the government's taken all our freedom.
00:23:46.000Well, but our enemies, the enemy of the American people, hate us because of our freedom.
00:23:51.000And I'm going to tell you something that is the bottom line at the end of the day, that is the only truth there is, is that the enemies of this great republic Hate this republic because they cannot have a new world order in which the entire human race crawls on its knees like animals to their masters of superior masters
00:24:14.000With a country that talks about individual freedom, liberty, and justice for all, you've got to destroy this nation, and who are the enemies?
00:24:26.000It's the Roman system of Europe that has been dominating the Earth for 2,300 years.
00:24:48.000Jordan, let's keep talking behind the scenes here, but we do have folks watching on PrisonPlanet.tv and listening on the web right now, and immortalized on the web.
00:24:58.000Jordan, and what a perfect plan to use the U.S.
00:25:02.000as the instrument to attack all these innocent countries, to carry out torture, to let the torture news come out, and then we get the blame, the United States gets the blame, and then we're totally replaced with the whole European Union system.
00:25:16.000If you go on my website, which we've been talking about, to questions, and we were talking about that on page one of questions, I show how the Vatican, from the air, and looking down on the Vatican, you can see the Union Jack flag right in the courtyard of the Vatican, and how the... Then if you scroll down, we're talking about dog tags.
00:25:42.000And why did the military have dog tags?
00:25:44.000Well, Henry Kissinger, in his book, Kiss the Boy's Goodbye, by Henry Kissinger, he said, quote, military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.
00:26:02.000military, they're just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns.
00:26:09.000So that's what the elite think of the American military personnel, men and women in uniform.
00:26:15.000They're just a bunch of morons to send them out, and who the hell cares that they get killed?
00:26:20.000They were just a bunch of animals anyway.
00:26:23.000As a matter of fact, according to English law and the English language, a man and a woman, by the correct use of English language, man or woman, It's masculine or feminine.
00:26:36.000That's the correct way to talk about a man or woman.
00:26:43.000According to British English law, animal is referred to as male or female.
00:26:51.000And so consequently, on all of our ID, it says, are you male or female?
00:26:58.000You are not considered by law a man or woman, because man or woman, according to British Maritime Law, have certain rights and privileges that an animal don't have.
00:27:10.000And since we don't have that, we are male and female, not masculine, feminine.
00:28:37.000And my whole point is, is that the Spanish stations are all got names like the rebel, the race, it's all we're going to take over, we're going to get you, we're going to overthrow the U.S.
00:28:48.000And the government's saying, oh my gosh, give all your rights up, there's Al-Qaeda everywhere, and there's no real Al-Qaeda, it's Al-Cieda.
00:28:54.000But meanwhile, there is a real group with TV companies buying 700 billboards saying, L.A.
00:29:30.000So, for all intents and purposes, the borders are wide open.
00:29:33.000That fence they're putting up is to keep Americans in.
00:29:39.000You know, my whole point is, during the break you were talking about Henry Kissinger's own book, Kiss the Boys Goodbye, and it's a quote he admits, where he said the military are dumb animals to be used by us.
00:29:51.000The police are hated by the New World Order and used, the military are hated and used, they call them dumb animals, our future is being destroyed, and I guess, Jordan Maxwell, we the people and the establishment, the minions, I guess we're just going to assist in our own destruction, Jordan.
00:30:09.000I guess it's part of who we are as a people.
00:30:13.000We have lost our souls, we have lost our minds, and we've lost our republic, and now we're just going to lose, period.
00:30:21.000And the reason why is because most people, I understand, it bothers me, but I understand why Most people do not relate to the stuff that I've been talking about for 45 years, and I understand why, because most of what I talk about has nothing to do with football, sports, basketball, none of that.
00:30:42.000And it has to do with researching and studying the movements of the bankers, the history of the world, ancient history, and how it impacted football.
00:30:51.000But why would people not want to know how the world really works?
00:32:45.000So I mean, she's really telling us who they are.
00:32:48.000It's, you know, you're a bunch of scum troops, you're going to serve us and love us, I don't want to hear about your dead bodies, shut up maggot scum and help me bring down this country!
00:33:12.000Yeah, and as I said, Henry Kissinger wrote a book called Kiss the Boy's Goodbye.
00:33:17.000You could buy it in any good book store.
00:33:19.000And he said, quite literally, in a quote, he says in his own book, military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used As pawns in foreign policy.
00:33:42.000No, I know, but I mean, that's the incredible part.
00:33:44.000You go, your master says you're nothing, and that they're using you, and they'll just smile at you, and say, but I've got some pieces of brass on my chest.
00:34:01.000And then of course, you know, the Leopold Stone, that's also on page one of my box on, let's see, what is it, on questions.
00:34:12.000On page one, research, on the bottom, the most holy of all relics in all of England, the most holiest relic in all of England is something called the Leopold Stone.
00:34:27.000It's treasured by the royalty as a very important symbol for royalty power in England.
00:36:13.000Yeah, the dog tag, that's what military people and people in law enforcement have an identification thing on a chain around their neck and it's called a dog tag.
00:36:25.000And the reason why is because that's exactly what the military is conceived to be.
00:38:13.000That's where the United States is a corporation.
00:38:16.000There's a world of difference between the United States of America up until 1868, and after 1868, we have a new operation called United States.
00:38:28.000It's not a republic anymore, it's called a public policy.
00:38:32.000You know, even the Supreme Court, the head of the Supreme Court, I've got a quote on my website, or I'm going to put it on if I don't have it, where the head of the Supreme Court said that the Constitution of the United States was officially done away with in 1868, officially, by law, in 1868.
00:39:31.000Yeah, cognitive dissidence is what the whole country, this whole entire republic is filled with cognitive dissidence.
00:39:38.000Meaning, if you hear something that you've never heard before, or is in opposition to something you've always believed, Your mind cannot be wrapped around that information.
00:39:52.000You don't want to hear it because it doesn't have anything to do with what you believe, and you have your own truth, and so you don't want to look at the facts.
00:40:02.000Like the fact that we told everybody there was mercury in there, and the government said there's no mercury in the shots, and now that they've had to admit, okay, it brand-damaged tens of millions, and it is in there.
00:40:14.000Like I said... But the slaves were told that it was not in there, so they will default to the old line and say, I don't care if the government admits it now, I love it.
00:40:52.000The Washington Monument is a male erection and it connects directly to the ovaries of the oval office.
00:41:02.000And that's why you have the Congress, because you've got the male phallic Washington Monument connecting to the oval, or ovaries, or oval ovaries.
00:41:10.000Basically, we have a sun guy slash sex cult running things.
00:41:17.000I want to talk about the enjoyment of slaughtering.
00:41:20.000Like, you or I would feel bad murdering masses of people, especially children.
00:41:24.000They are very pious and say it's a very beautiful, loving thing.
00:41:28.000Well, I mean, that one general said it on my website.
00:41:31.000I've got that quote in the box of quotes.
00:41:34.000There's a picture of the general and testify where he said, one of the top generals in the Middle East said, for American generals, said, yeah, it's sometimes fun to kill people.
00:42:06.000I mean, there were so many Inquisitions.
00:42:08.000Yeah, there were so many, but basically the Pope today Ratzinger was the head, before he became Pope, was the head of that organization in the Vatican that was, we call, the Inquisition.
00:42:22.000Yeah, that upkeeps, quote, the doctrine, that keeps the continuity of the Church together.
00:42:26.000Yes, and what it was during the Middle Ages, we call it the Dark Ages, because the human race was going through things which were very dark, and that's why we call it That time as the Dark Ages because we were in the really going through some dark stuff.
00:42:40.000Now why were they trying to suppress all scientific knowledge?
00:42:43.000We knew they'd hoarded it all and knew the truth.
00:42:47.000And now they want to, the Club of Rome, the Bilderberg, they say again, they want 10% of us to be living, basically living on farms, everybody else exterminated, and then they'll be in high-tech citadels, bases separately from us.
00:43:01.000Well I know, but that's exactly right.
00:43:03.000But the Inquisition It was an extraordinarily important time in human history in Europe when anyone who would even act like you're going to, that you are for liberty and justice and freedom, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom to think, you were hunted down by the Vatican, brought in, and we know the stuff that went on.
00:43:28.000The Vatican priests would pour hot lead into children's faces In front of the parents, they would open your mouth, the children's mouth, and pour hot lead.
00:43:38.000Now, psychologically, they know when they do the White House memos, ordering the Joint Chiefs of Staff to tell them to torture children with pliers, rip their genitals off, and then the public hears that and accepts it, and says, oh yeah, that's Jack Bauer.
00:43:54.000That's a great journey of evil, isn't it?
00:43:56.000If they can get us to accept the most evil thing, torturing children sexually, then they've got us, don't they, Jordan?
00:44:24.000And it will tell you a monster is a human being and has no rights to anything, it's just an animal.
00:44:30.000So it's all a big joke to them, that they've changed all the terms, you don't know what it means.
00:44:34.000Office of Controlled Conflict Operations.
00:44:36.000Yeah, and when you read Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's book, Mein Kampf, we've known for, I mean, I grew up as a kid knowing, I had the New York Times, my dad showed it to me many years ago, and the New York Times had a huge article about Mein Kampf was written by a Jesuit priest.
00:44:57.000It was written by a Father Stemple, S-T-A-E-M-P-F-L-E.
00:45:03.000Go on my website and look up Father Stemple, and it will tell you all of the information there about who actually wrote Mein Kampf.
00:45:11.000It was a Jesuit priest at the Vatican who wrote Mein Kampf for Adolf Hitler.
00:45:18.000And so, you know, I just am amazed at how much people don't read.
00:46:11.000They already have departments in government that will start the trouble, the wars or whatever, then control it, and then bring in, like we know, the opposing party.
00:47:08.000And then they got more to save you and then it gets worse.
00:47:12.000And worse and worse until one day you wake up and find out you've been had from day one.
00:47:17.000Well, I was just going to say that all the power, all the control they've got, all the money, they really hate happy, healthy families.
00:47:24.000They really hate people enjoying themselves.
00:47:27.000Misery loves company, and the elite really just like to hurt people.
00:47:33.000Can you talk about the mentality, or what makes the higher level initiates tick?
00:47:40.000Well, look at what the way the SS Gestapo worked in Nazi Germany.
00:47:46.000Watch the, you know, look at the way they, their pompous, arrogant attitude that all humans were nothing more to be used as animals.
00:47:55.000That is precisely the attitude today in America today.
00:48:00.000That the working class people are nothing more than just their kids can be raped, you can run them into the ground, jack up their gas prices, do anything you want to these people, because they're nothing but masses of ignorant human flesh.
00:49:33.000But now the elite don't even need us to tell their fields to run their machinery with robotics.
00:49:38.000As Bill Joy of Sun Microsystems wrote, he went to a meeting with 200 plus elitists and he was shocked to hear them talking about how we're all going to have to be killed.
00:49:48.000And the police officers out there, most of them will aid the system incrementally as the rest of us are euthanized, sterilized, given cancer, die.
00:49:56.000They will watch as their sons, daughters, mothers, brothers die.
00:49:59.000They themselves will die thanking their lord, thanking their government, thanking their master.
00:50:28.000And will they be able to carry out their plans?
00:50:35.000The only way I can answer that is that, first of all, I'm not privy to be on the inside to know the top people are, but I've had enough experience when I got married.
00:50:44.000You know, the person my wife was working for, I learned a lot, because I found out that so many of the people who are the real movers and shakers who are making things happen, you will never know their names because I found out that so many of the people who You will never hear their names ever.
00:51:05.000And that all the people that you are hearing, like the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds and all those people, are not the real players.
00:51:14.000The real players are so much more powerful and so much more hidden, you will never know who they really are.
00:52:10.000There are, just as there was behind the Caesars of Rome.
00:52:14.000Caesars of Rome saw themselves as gods.
00:52:17.000But in point of fact, they had masters of their own.
00:52:21.000Well, you've always got the inner councils and the orders and the bankers for it.
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00:52:29.000Well, during the time of the Roman Empire, behind the Caesars, The raw child of the Rockefeller types behind the Caesar of Rome was called the Pissos family.
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00:57:06.000And these people that were looking at us disdainfully, oh you're Alex Jones, and they're like, we're royal and we vacation all year and you're scum.
00:57:14.000And whether they were or not, the point is, they wanted me to know that.
00:57:23.000I need to say this again, if anybody's really interested in the subject of occult and secret societies, there's a reference book on my home page that's filled with that.
00:57:36.000I don't know, 560 pages is a very thick book on all of the secret societies, occult orders of Europe, around the world, religious orders, the different cults of theology, secret societies, criminal societies.
00:57:52.000It's just generally an incredibly well-written book called Occultiocracy, The World of the Occult Secret Societies.
00:58:02.000And the most impressive book I ever have read on theology and religion was called Symbols, Sex, and the Stars.
00:58:11.000And it is a very well-written book just explaining theology.
00:58:17.000And then again, that term, the stars, the movie stars.
00:58:37.000Explaining how the astrological symbols and terms that are used in secret societies have to have a book called Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy.
00:58:54.000And of course there's a downloadable a box just beneath it.
00:58:58.000And there's all kinds of documents and materials that you can't find anywhere that I've made available to people.
00:59:04.000Well, Jordan, I just want to say in closing, thank you so much for spending time with us again.
00:59:10.000And coming up not this Sunday, but the Sunday after next, we've got you on the Sunday show.
00:59:14.000And I'm glad you've been spending so much time with us.
00:59:17.000And we'll go through some more of these terms and hopefully get people just to think about looking behind the curtain and realize there is a curtain.
00:59:24.000We can argue about what's behind it all day, but the important thing is to get people thinking and to move forward, and I really appreciate you spending time with us, Jordan Maxwell.
00:59:32.000Well, I thank you for being my friend and letting me on.
01:00:27.000Charles Key fighting the New World Order straight ahead.
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01:00:54.000Okay, we have State Representative Charles Key on with us.
01:00:59.000For the next 55 minutes, he valiantly has exposed the fact that there's a cover-up of what really happened to the Oklahoma City bombing.
01:01:10.000Since he first really pushed with grand jurors and others to expose that, it's come out that the Southern Poverty Law Center was involved in running the white supremacist compound.
01:01:39.000We cover that in my film, Road to Tyranny.
01:01:41.000And I want to spend some time at the end of the interview dealing with the new developments there with Representative Key.
01:01:48.000But about a week ago, we learned the good news.
01:01:55.000And that dovetails with other states like Arizona, one of the Dakotas, New Hampshire saying that if a new world order continues or gun confiscation begins or any of this happens, we're going to pull out, we're going to secede.
01:02:08.000Well, this story was from World Net Daily.
01:02:11.000It was also in some of the Oklahoma papers.
01:02:34.000Joint Resolution 1089 passed by an overwhelming 92 to 3 margin.
01:02:40.000Reasserts Oklahoma's sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the U.S.
01:02:43.000Constitution, and according to the resolution's own language, is serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates.
01:02:50.000The Tenth Amendment states, the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited to by the states, are reserved to the states, respectively, or to the people.
01:03:00.000Charles Key, the Republican State Representative who authored the Resolution to the World and Daily.
01:03:04.000They introduced it because he believes the federal government's overstepping its bounds has put our Constitution in the form of government in danger.
01:03:11.000And so he's the guy that got it passed 92 to 3.
01:03:17.000And, you know, stuff happened with members of the legislature and with the local mayor, where they would say, oh, I don't know anything about a North American union, and then they'd catch them as signatories to it five years ago.
01:03:28.000So, a lot of that has got Oklahomans up in arms.
01:03:30.000I wish we had people in our legislature like Charles Key here in Texas, where they're really raping the daylights out of us, the feds are.
01:03:39.000But Charles Key, thank you so much for coming on with us.
01:03:42.000Hey, it's good to be with you again, Alex.
01:03:45.000You know, you've got the floor here for the next 50 minutes.
01:03:47.000Tell me about the Oklahoma City bombing website, this website, your site, what you're doing, but after you do that, let's get into this resolution and why it's a ray of hope.
01:03:58.000Well, you know this, and just for some of your listeners to know, I'm in my second tenure in the legislature.
01:04:05.000I had a previous life in the 80s and 90s in the legislature.
01:04:10.000And I was out for about eight years, and I didn't really plan on running again, but I did in 2006, and here I am.
01:04:17.000And the reason he had me on the show today, H.G.R.
01:04:20.0001089, which is the Tenth Amendment resolution, did pass the House this year.
01:04:26.000It's new to a lot of people, but it actually started back in the very early 90s.
01:04:31.000There was a state senator from Colorado named Charles Duke.
01:04:35.000And he started it, he gets credited with starting the Tenth Amendment Resolution, but he and myself back then and a number of other legislators and other state legislatures introduced it in their state legislatures and passed it back then.
01:04:48.000I passed it in the Oklahoma House back in 1994.
01:04:50.000Yeah, let's be clear, you guys passed that and said the UN's not coming in here, we're not putting up with land grabs, and boom!
01:04:57.000A little bombing happened to teach you to love the feds.
01:05:00.000Interesting times back then, and I'd love to take credit for it this time this year, but it does have a history that goes back into the 90s.
01:05:09.000But it's something we definitely, we must get out there and get every state to pass this same resolution.
01:05:16.000And I tell you, I've got a lot of legislators that are contacting me and saying they want to do the same thing in their legislature this next year.
01:05:23.000I've even got some people down there in Texas.
01:05:29.000I don't want to put you on the spot, but do you have in front of you who they are?
01:05:33.000I have their approval to talk about it on a public broadcast, so just out of deference to them, I think it would probably be better if I didn't mention their names, but I guarantee you there's some real interest in the Texas Legislature.
01:05:44.000Gotcha, we want to sneak up on them, that makes sense.
01:05:47.000Tell folks, I've got it here in front of me, but tell them where they can find the resolution to try to give it to their legislatures, and tell us what's in the resolution, why it's so important.
01:05:56.000Well, first of all, they could email me at charles.key at okhouse.gov and request a copy.
01:06:06.000Or they can go to the Oklahoma House of Representatives website that's real easy to find and it's a very user-friendly website and just look up HJR1089 and you can download your own copy of it.
01:06:22.000Tell us about some of the Pun intended, key areas of the legislation.
01:06:28.000Well, you know, you pretty much described it in the opening.
01:06:30.000It just simply reiterates what the Tenth Amendment says and says federal government, get back into your proper role and stop getting into areas that you have no legal authority to be into.
01:06:40.000And my gosh, the list, you know, we don't have enough time in an hour.
01:06:43.000We'd have to spend all day long talking about what the federal government's done and venturing into areas they have no legal authority to be into.
01:06:49.000But go over some of the most egregious and why your state's upset.
01:06:53.000Well, you've got the violations of privacy, the Fourth Amendment, because of bills like the Patriot Act and all the other ones that we've already forgot the names of them, in which they've tried and they have, I like to say, tried to restrict our rights.
01:07:34.000But, you know, you've got privacy, you've got surveillance, you've got ventures into the area of education.
01:07:42.000You know, they're telling people what to do and how to educate their kids from Washington, D.C., tying funds to it to try to, you know... And all the problems started when the feds got involved.
01:08:16.000In fact, from what I've seen, federal money is the most, even if you agree with the programs, which we don't, I mean, it is the most wasteful.
01:08:25.000There was an idea that came up back in those early and middle 90s when some of us back then were looking at what we could do to thwart the activity of the federal government in unconstitutional areas.
01:08:39.000And this idea came up, if anybody's listening out there that might want to pass this on to a legislator or some of the legislators that are listening to this program or people running for office, you know, it is our money.
01:08:51.000And they're taking it and directing it back to the states with kind of a carrot-stick approach.
01:08:57.000You do this, we'll give you this money, then once you get hooked into the deal, then they'll take the money away unless you keep doing it and do more.
01:09:04.000Yeah, what if the states said, okay, look, we're going to start requiring our people within the state to send certain federal taxes to us through the state treasury, and then we'll pass it on up to the federal government.
01:09:19.000And this is a real good money-generating, revenue-generating idea, by the way.
01:09:24.000The states would have some short-term interest they'd make on that money as it floated through.
01:09:28.000And that might really help some states out.
01:09:31.000But it would also allow the states to say to the federal government, when they start pushing more unfunded mandates and unconstitutional acts, to say, well, maybe we won't send that money back up to you, we'll just keep it.
01:09:44.000Maybe the states need to start doing something like that.
01:09:52.000What are some other areas that you think are important people know about dealing with the declaration?
01:10:01.000Well, you know, the big issues out there, well, the big issues that have been talked about for several years, I think it's gotten prominent again this time around because of the Ron Paul campaign.
01:10:12.000Is the money issue, the authority given to the Federal Reserve, private Federal Reserve Bank, to have control over just about every aspect of our lives having to do with finances and money.
01:10:23.000That is proving, and finally proving, to be a really big problem.
01:10:27.000They don't have the authority to do that.
01:10:43.000What amazes me and really makes me mad is a lot of these talking head pundits and people in both parties that make buckoos of money and have been living off the system for a long time, they don't have a clue how tough it is for the average middle and lower income person out here trying to get by.
01:10:59.000And they think everybody's still making a couple hundred thousand or more dollars a year and everything's real rosy.
01:11:32.000The Supreme Court, once in our history at least, has ruled that it was not constitutional.
01:11:37.000If a court had the courage or the will, the constitutional knowledge, or whatever is holding them back from ruling on this issue, maybe they just need an opportunity, they ought to rule again that the federal income tax is unconstitutional.
01:12:00.000You know, it's just hard to believe that a state would have to pass a resolution saying the state of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.
01:12:15.000And you serve notice and demand of the federal government as our agent to cease and desist effective immediately mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers.
01:12:24.000Like federalizing local police I mean, folks, the government is out of control.
01:12:29.000The federal government, it's like a neighbor who's in your house telling you what to do.
01:12:49.000In demand of the federal government, as our agent, the cease and desist effective immediately mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers, like federalizing local police.
01:13:00.000I mean, folks, the government is out of control.
01:13:02.000The federal government, it's like a neighbor who's in your house telling you what to do.
01:13:10.000Now we'll cover some other subjects as well.
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01:17:02.000From day one when there was the questions coming out with the Oklahoma City bombing, which was an inside job from the beginning, He was there questioning, exposing, speaking out.
01:17:15.000And now in hindsight, talking 12 years later or more, it's just all coming out.
01:17:54.000There was another guy running that some of them didn't think he was a conservative, and they said, we want a conservative in there, and we've got to have a conservative, and we want you to run.
01:18:03.000So I thought about it, prayed about it, and boom, did it.
01:18:06.000And they did the same thing they did to me before.
01:18:08.000They just blew me out of the water about the Oklahoma City bombing, but we prevailed and God gave us a victory, so that's just it.
01:18:16.000Yeah, they attack you when most Oklahomans I talk to know what's going on.
01:18:22.000Did that backfire on them that the story's gotten out now and that made your competitors look stupid?
01:19:14.000Ten, eleven years ago, everything you said has turned out, your angle on it has turned out to be right.
01:19:19.000In fact, break down the Jesse Trinidou case for those that may have forgotten, because that was probably six, eight months ago we were really talking about this.
01:19:25.000I mean, break down all the new things that have been confirmed.
01:19:28.000Well, it's been hard for me to keep on top of it like I did the bombing case when I was involved in that, but I can hit the highlights.
01:19:35.000Jesse Trinidou is an attorney up in the Salt Lake City area.
01:19:38.000He had a brother who died in Oklahoma City in August of 95.
01:19:45.000And his brother died in a federal transfer center that happened to be in my district, by the way, right next to the airport.
01:19:51.000And when the family realized that he didn't commit suicide like the Bureau of Prisons claimed, so they filed a lawsuit.
01:20:00.000As time went by and they were able to force Documents out of the government, through the Freedom of Information Act, they found out that it was related to the Oklahoma City bombing somehow.
01:20:10.000What happened was some federal investigators, FBI and who knows who else, thought that he was a suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing case and they beat him to death, literally.
01:20:21.000And so the family filed suit, they eventually won that suit, and the Trinidad and the family have not let go.
01:20:30.000Become impassioned, not just... Let me just add, he also had electrical burns all over him.
01:20:36.000And they're impassioned about this, not just because they wanted to bring justice to what really happened in regards to their brother and son's murder, but also because they found out how terribly screwed up this Oklahoma City bombing case was, and how the truth was really being covered up.
01:20:56.000So Jesse Trinidou, and you know, we should also give kudos to a federal judge up in the Salt Lake area, I think his last name is Kimball, has not let the Justice Department and the FBI off the hook easy.
01:21:08.000It made them have to live under the laws that the rest of us have to live under.
01:21:12.000And he said things like, this is a cover-up.
01:21:14.000I mean, it's amazing to actually have a good federal judge.
01:21:18.000Yeah, you know, even the Judge Mache that presided over McVeigh and Nichols' trials, Make a couple of comments like that back early on so there's no question about that it was a major cover-up and it was there were other people involved and they had a level at minimum a level of prior knowledge that something was going to happen and you know there were government informants inside the circle or these circles of individuals that were You know, going to carry this out, or they were participating in it.
01:21:50.000But how could you be criticized when you had grand jurors and people coming to you saying there's other bombers and I'm being told to shut up?
01:21:57.000I mean, that's your job as a state rep to speak out.
01:22:02.000Well, you know, there are folks that they want to go along.
01:22:06.000They're more interested in climbing up a ladder, whether it's politically or corporately or whatever.
01:22:14.000I want to run through the basics of what you know about the Oklahoma City bombing and who you think is really behind it and involved.
01:22:21.000We've got a clearer picture today than we've ever had before, and we'll take calls on the resolution, throwing the feds out, re-declaring state liberty.
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01:26:36.000Charles, before we get back into Oklahoma City and take calls, sometimes you've got to wonder, I mean, the elites are just running this country into the ground, and I'm just wondering if there's any hope the way things are going.
01:26:51.000I think there's always hope, but I feel the same way.
01:26:54.000I get discouraged and down, but as long as we, you know, we have a certain amount of freedom, and we still do in this country, but back to the Tenth Amendment, you were talking about the Oklahoma City bombing and how they could attack somebody or criticize them for just asking questions and wanting some truth.
01:27:12.000Well, look at McCain, Feingold, and a lot of the other things they've done over the past few years to just try and control your ability to speak freely, like on this radio program, because there are those that don't want us to even talk about this.
01:27:25.000One of the things they do is they will attack you publicly and call you all kinds of names, you know, and spin off the truth and tell a lot of untruths.
01:27:35.000And since the Oklahoma City bombing, just look at the legislation that's been passed to restrict what you can say and where you can say it.
01:27:45.000You know, there's what they call them, speech-free zones.
01:27:48.000If you get in some of those zones when there's a presidential motorcade or the president's there or some other, A political activity that they don't want any protesters to be around.
01:28:02.000The first thing they did after, and I'll just say it, after the Clintons bombed OKC, after the Feds did, the first thing they did was say, we need to bring back the Fairness Doctrine and reduce free speech on talk radio.
01:28:20.000And I think, you know, I hear more and more people, what's been interesting in my experience coming back into the legislative, political realm this last couple of years, is when I went out and knocked doors in 06, running for this seat again, it was very, very surprising to me and encouraging, very encouraging, how many people going door to door, and these are Republicans, are the only doors I knocked, that are very aware of what's going on in this country.
01:28:46.000See, that's what I was going to ask you next.
01:28:48.000Whereas things are getting darkest before the dawn, I'm saying they're bad, I'm finding the same thing that people finally are knowing, they're finally listening.
01:28:57.000Tell me what happened when you knocked on those doors.
01:29:00.000People are aware they're getting their information from someplace other than the nightly news and the newspaper, and they're starting to find out that they're getting lied to, and there's something really rotten in Denmark, so to speak.
01:29:36.000They arrest congressmen who are drunk!
01:29:39.000Well, you know, there's so many people, and this is a part of the answer to what happened in the Oklahoma City case.
01:29:44.000They came after me and other cases that other people have been involved in.
01:29:48.000There's always a section of people, and I talked about this on your program years ago, there's always a percentage of the people, when they hear things like a cover-up about Oklahoma City or anything else, they do not want to hear it.
01:29:59.000It puts so much fear into them, and their reaction is they want to kill the messenger.
01:30:05.000And they'll go along, they'll be cheerleaders and accomplices with those who attack the messenger.
01:30:12.000And that's how they accomplish what they accomplish, but even those people will wake up as time goes on.
01:30:18.000Because they'll come out of their denial because after a while they'll see, and this is what I think I'm seeing today, more people starting to wake up and realize, hey, there really is something to X, you know, or what he said.
01:30:30.000Well, I agree with you because what I run into is there's a certain amount of people who want to live in denial and say everything's fine no matter what's going on.
01:31:34.000And those that we recognize that are our enemies, that are enemies of a constitutional form of government, They know that, and they're afraid of it.
01:31:45.000And we need to use that to our advantage.
01:31:55.000They look freaked out, but I don't think it's even freaked out about us as much as it is a lot of economists I talk to think they've lost control, that they have just totally screwed everything up.
01:32:06.000Yeah, that's another thing that wakes people up, unfortunately, because we've heard that all of our lives, because it's true that there's a lot of people that never will wake up until their back pocket, their pocketbook gets hit hard enough and the people are getting hit hard.
01:32:19.000So a lot of them are going to wake up for that reason.
01:32:45.000I think one of the main reasons why people want to shoot the messenger so much is because they don't want to actually have to believe that their government is degraded into such a despicable situation.
01:32:57.000And then also another reason is because they might actually have to do something with the knowledge that they found out.
01:33:10.000Well, that's an interesting point, too.
01:33:12.000My questions were, I had heard the story, I guess, about helicopters taking some of the federal people off the roof of the Murrah Building.
01:35:50.000Going back to the BATF, what we do know is they showed up in their bomb gear seconds after the blast, and we're telling EMTs and people that showed up to dress wounds and say that they'd seen them up in the higher floors.
01:36:08.000You know, you had an AP reporter that's been around for a long time, and he gave that testimony on videotape.
01:36:17.000That he was immediately on the scene, and he said immediately these ATF officials showed up with the black gear, you know, all decked out in their black SWAT team type gear, like they were poised, ready for this to happen.
01:36:33.000And that's where that information comes from.
01:36:36.000Also, related to that is the Oklahoma City Fire Department getting some call the Friday before the Wednesday bombing about Uh, them being in a higher prepared state for something that may be developing over the next several days.
01:36:51.000And then didn't we also have the BATF out at a base testing, blowing up trucks?
01:36:56.000Yeah, out in New Mexico we're blowing up trucks with AMFO bombs.
01:37:01.000Very interesting also, to say the least.
01:37:05.000And this is in the months before, and of course you're not just saying the experts say multiple bombs, or how does a truck bomb not blow the pillars out right in front of the pillars the same size way back in the back of the building, and then why were chunks of it blown across the street, and why were there blast points on the rebar?
01:37:40.000I mean, they've got a bunch of them, but you have another terrorism and bomb expert that was on one of the local stations that came in studio just, you know, a few hours after the bombing and was reporting also that, yeah, we've just found out that they found other unexploded bombs that they've taken out of the building.
01:37:54.000And this is really great because As they take these apart, it's going to help us find out who did it and be able to track them down, hold them accountable, blah, blah, blah.
01:38:03.000So, you know, just all kinds of information like that.
01:38:06.000I'll tell you, some of the stuff that Jesse Trinidad, the attorney we were talking about earlier, has been able to force out that further sheds light on this case is the information about Andreas, or otherwise known as Andy Strossmeier, the West German that came over to this country and certainly was here with the knowledge of our government, maybe even officially working for them on some level.
01:38:29.000But he was certainly knowledgeable about this and was working with McVeigh and other people.
01:38:34.000And some of the documents that they've been able to pull out over the last two or three or four years confirm that.
01:38:41.000Oh, yeah, the Southern Poverty Law Center involved.
01:38:45.000I mean, it's just despicable activities, but they've got to get our guns one way or the other.
01:38:49.000uh Just amazing, and then the fact that McVeigh was a government operative coming out in affidavits, it's just incredible.
01:38:57.000Greg in New Jersey, you're on the air, go ahead.
01:39:00.000Thank you very much, and thank you for putting me on.
01:39:04.000It's kind of ironic, here in Oklahoma, they're stating their rights to be left alone from the federal government, and here in New Jersey, which is no doubt our Our representative government in the state is the criminal syndicate.
01:39:48.000I had somebody on another program several days ago.
01:39:51.000Call me up and talk about civil rights laws and how the feds had to come in and prosecute people for racial types of crimes and what have you.
01:40:03.000You get down the path, you buy into the federal government having a good role and the only one that can fix, make some wrongs right.
01:40:12.000And it kind of gets things all screwed up.
01:40:14.000Well they play that game in Europe where the nations, they won't let the people ever go to those courts, they've got to go to the EU court.
01:40:21.000And so it's handing your authority away when you have less control over the Feds.
01:40:50.000Because you could fix these things at the state level if the people would watch their government and hold people accountable and make them fix it.
01:40:58.000Who do you go to with the Feds engaged in terrorism?
01:41:01.000I mean, they admit they staged the USS Liberty, they staged the Gulf of Tonkin, a bunch of other events.
01:41:06.000Who do we go to about our own government staging things?
01:41:08.000I mean, going to the Feds, you know, whoever's got more power almost always is going to be more corrupt.
01:41:14.000Yeah, the problem, and another way of stating that, too, is the problem is it assumes that somehow the federal government is more moral or ethical or something.
01:41:24.000Just like Alex is saying, you know, they're just people, and they're corrupt, too, and they're going to use their power for things other than, you know, what's best for all of us.
01:41:41.000I just wanted to ask the Representative, How did, after Oklahoma City, how did the, in general, the majority of people in Oklahoma, did they go along with the status that was given to them, or was there a lot of trepidation in what happened?
01:42:00.000Well, I think, and I've come to describe it this way, and I think I always probably will, the answer to that kind of question is that people were traumatized all over the country, but especially right here At ground, at the ground central or whatever I'm trying to say, right here where it happened, right here in Oklahoma City.
01:42:22.000I mean, people were just traumatized by this.
01:42:27.000They had, you know, it's hard to find somebody that didn't know someone or had a relative that was killed or badly hurt.
01:42:46.000But I mean, how did they deal with all those newscasts reporting the bombs and then later newscasts saying there were Iraqis involved in all this?
01:42:53.000I mean, when they call you a kook, would you raise those points?
01:42:58.000Yeah, and I think most people believed it, but I think it was an emotional thing is why they eventually go along.
01:43:04.000You know, they kind of go along with the entities, whether it's the newspapers or other politicians that attack the messenger.
01:43:13.000They go along with them because it's an emotional... Yeah, it's too scary.
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01:47:42.000Yeah, thank you very much for taking my call.
01:47:45.000Representative Key, it's just a wonderful surprise and pleasure to know that you're back on the Hill, 47 years of age, and been around, you know, paying attention to these things for quite some time, and I remember uh... you sticking out back in and the oklahoma bombing as being one of the the few if not the only one that was uh... courageous enough to uh... really look into this thing And I just can't say how happy I am that you're back, along with Representative Paul.
01:48:11.000My inquiry here specifically, because logically and common sense-wise, I remember when they were able to find out about the Ryder truck with supposedly an unscathed VIN number that just happened to miraculously survive this.
01:48:30.000It reminds me of 19 box cutters at 9-11 that somehow got through the metal detectors and no one has been able to bring out a box cutter, at least the metal part where it cuts.
01:48:43.000And what I understand, in some of the pictures that I've seen, I'm still waiting to see a hole in the ground.
01:48:48.000And wasn't the Murray Building a nuclear fallout shelter?
01:48:52.000It's just certain things, common sense, don't add up.
01:48:57.000Let me get a final comment from Charles Key on that.
01:49:01.000Well, you know, there's been a lot of time passed by, so I'm not sure I recall anything like that, but it did have some lower levels in it, and it had a lower Level parking garage that actually was, I think, two levels deep below the ground level.
01:49:16.000Well, I remember the VIN number saying off the car.
01:49:20.000I mean, there's a lot of odd things that happen in the Oklahoma City case, and that may be some real good, you know, evidence.
01:49:26.000And not that that's not worthy of talking about it when I make my next comment, but the fact is, you know, there's a wealth of information that proves that there were other people involved that our Justice Department and FBI did not want to go after those people.
01:49:42.000And, you know, to close up with back to the Tenth Amendment and the Constitution, we must hold government accountable at every level.
01:49:50.000If we don't, things get out of control.
01:49:53.000And not only do they take more of your money, more of your privacy, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and the list goes on, but things like the Oklahoma City bombing can happen.