Jesse Ventura is a former Governor of Minnesota, Hollywood movie star, best-selling author, TV talk show host, the list goes on and on. He has been a leader when it comes to the issues of freedom and has been speaking out against this for many years. He is the author of the new book, Start the Revolution Without Me, a book about his time as Governor. He is also a frequent guest on conservative talk shows such as Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones.
00:01:22.000I guess we'd say a sad day in America.
00:01:25.000Yeah, I've always wondered what it was like for my grandparents to live through the Depression, and it looks like we might be going into one.
00:01:31.000Yeah, there's no, you know, it was interesting the other day, I was watching on television up here, and one of the local stations, they have a segment called where you can ask a question, and the question was, how do we make a strong dollar again?
00:01:47.000Because obviously the dollar has fallen through the floor.
00:01:50.000I mean, there's half a dozen countries now that have a higher value or more than that than us.
00:01:55.000And so they went to Hamlin University here in Minnesota, and they went to the head of economics and, oh, I forget his other title, but it was appropriate.
00:02:08.000Please excuse me, I just got done working out, so if I'm breathing a little heavy, I just got off the elliptic machine.
00:02:14.000But anyway, he listed, in order to bring the dollar to be strong again, it's the exact two things that I've been harping on for the last month and a half.
00:02:24.000Number one, to make the dollar strong, as Professor said, is the debt.
00:02:29.000We must do something about the $9 trillion-plus debt we owe throughout the world now.
00:02:36.000And he said the number two thing that is driving the dollar to its weakness is the war in Iraq.
00:02:42.000So the very two issues that are highest on my board are the very two issues that this expert said it would take to bring the dollar back, but apparently our country and most of the people in it aren't that worried about it.
00:02:55.000The elite have made the decision to continue the devaluation of the dollar.
00:04:26.000I'm probably not too mainstream today, I guess.
00:04:29.000But I felt that we needed a wake-up call to get back to our roots and get back to paying attention to the Constitution and what formed our great country because we've certainly seemed to have taken a path away from the Constitution, especially most recently in the last eight years.
00:04:46.000And we don't seem to be heading back towards it, so I thought it was a wake-up call for the lemmings here in the country that march off the cliff and don't look side to side, they just do it.
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00:08:43.000And that's take some of your phone calls specifically to the Governor.
00:08:46.000about his take on what's happening in our society at 1-800-259-9231.
00:08:49.000Governor, I want to pick your brain about the war, the economy, the Fourth Amendment under attack, all these issues, but obviously you know what I'm going to ask first here, now that we're into the interview.
00:09:04.000And I've learned to not trust the mainstream media.
00:09:07.000Last week, I called you at home and you said, no, I did not tell NPR that I had committed to run.
00:09:15.000I'll announce that next Monday or Tuesday.
00:09:17.000Sure enough, the ABC headline said, Governor will run.
00:10:11.000And so if they can beat all the other networks to the punch, they're going to do it.
00:10:16.000And accuracy is a secondary thing now.
00:10:18.000I mean, if they get it wrong, They just simply do a little blurb a day later if they have to, and most of the time they won't even bother with that.
00:10:27.000Governor, you kind of came out for 9-11 Truth on this show unannounced.
00:10:33.000I had no idea you were going to do that four or five months ago, and that caused a national firestorm.
00:10:39.000Why not go ahead and tell us if you're going to run for Senate right now on this show?
00:10:48.000Because it's the middle of the afternoon and I don't want to be sieged with the media for the rest of the day.
00:11:11.000You wrote a book saying, don't start the revolution without me.
00:11:13.000I'm sure you've decided it's now the eve of, or the day of, you making the announcement, the eve of the deadline, to be technical.
00:11:20.000And I'm going to make the guess, and it's not a wild guess, in fact I'm going to predict, you're going to announce you're running for Senate.
00:11:26.000And this is why you're going to announce you're running for Senate tonight on Larry King, because you love this country.
00:11:31.000You saw him shoot down the Fourth Amendment last week.
00:11:33.000You see us about to go to war with Iran that will further tank the economy.
00:11:38.000You know we need your voice in the Senate, and you love this republic, and so you're going to serve the republic one more time, and you know you've already beaten the sorry excuse for a human being for governor that's running for Senate as well, and so you've been drafted by the American people, and we're not going to start the revolution without Oh, Alex, Alex, you might be premature.
00:12:14.000Well, you've got higher numbers in the polls this time.
00:12:17.000I understand all that, but let me say this, Alex.
00:12:19.000It will be a total personal decision, and my family will bear in it a great deal, because you cannot do one of those jobs without the support of your family.
00:12:29.000And if my family's support is not there, I will not do it, because... Well, I'll give you one example.
00:12:36.000I'm not going to subject my children to be attacked by the media again.
00:12:40.000That weighs heavily on me, so what my children say to me is going to have a great bearing on the decision that I make.
00:12:55.000Well, I would like to speak to them and say, look, we need you to gut up for the country.
00:13:01.000I mean, I understand they went through a lot.
00:13:02.000In fact, when We Are Change Minnesota was up there talking to you at a book signing, you would talk to them, but you wouldn't talk to the media.
00:13:09.000You don't talk to the Minnesota media.
00:14:20.000How would he know what went on at midnight?
00:14:23.000They ran with the story, they trashed my son completely, they put the CBS investigative eye team onto his friends to try to dig up anything they could on my son, and then the day I got back from the trade mission from China, the headlines in the paper were nothing to do with the trade mission, it had everything to do with accusing my son.
00:14:46.000Well, I'll tell you why they did that, Governor, and you're not stupid.
00:15:11.000And I'm telling you, you can't give in to them.
00:15:13.000So I'm asking you, as the American people, We need your anti-war, pro-constitution voice in the Senate, and I think you're going to win if you run.
00:15:22.000Yeah, but Alex, we're a great minority.
00:15:25.000We're a minority, we're not a majority.
00:15:28.000Well, a minority of, you know, one who's in the right is a majority.
00:15:53.000And so it's really, I'd go at it as a loner if I do.
00:15:56.000Plus, living on the side of a jungle wall by the Pacific Ocean half the year, I would imagine that is something that's hard to say no to, isn't it?
00:17:17.000Senate, why is Governor Jesse Ventura going to do that?
00:17:20.000Well, if I did run, I would run because we have to get some type of hold and bring the attention to this deficit.
00:17:27.000You notice in the presidential debates right now, they avoid the deficit like the plague, because They're equally responsible for it, both Democrats and Republicans.
00:17:40.000They don't want to tell the public that they've put our country so far in debt that if they were in the private sector, they'd be thrown in jail and run and WorldCom ring a bell.
00:18:19.000And so throughout the world today, many places view us as the people to fear.
00:18:25.000You know, many countries feel that the United States is the one you've got to be afraid of, because if you cross the United States, the United States is not above attacking you.
00:18:45.000You notice the Chinese, other than their internal strife, they're not going out and getting involved in any of these wars throughout the world.
00:18:53.000Because they want to become the economic power of the world.
00:18:56.000That's their focus and they're vast becoming it very quickly because we're so stupid and we're out getting involved in all these wars.
00:19:03.000You know, that's a great point, Governor.
00:19:06.000Studying history, every time, I mean, nine times out of ten, Napoleon, Hitler, it didn't matter who, the aggressor, the Nazis, they always, no matter how big and bad, they always, in the end, tend to lose.
00:19:22.000Well, I think, go back even farther, I think our country right now is paralleling Rome.
00:19:29.000I think we're heading right down the same path Rome did, and that is entertainment is the most important thing in our lives now, not our jobs.
00:19:40.000Clearly that was shown when the media, rather than covering issues, will cover the death of Anna Nicole Smith or Paris Hilton getting thrown in jail.
00:19:50.000These are their lead stories, which are nothing but entertainment stories.
00:19:54.000I tell you what, Governor, let's talk more about that.
00:19:56.000In fact, I'm going to skip this break.
00:19:58.000We're going to skip this break here for the folks watching online.
00:20:34.000But also, not just parallels with Rome, what about two hundred and thirty-something years ago, the parallels with the British Empire, never been defeated, and the first place they get beaten is here in the United States, fighting five to one against the ragtag rebels?
00:20:49.000Well, you know, it's interesting, too, that we look at this war in Iraq now, and we call them insurgents, these people that are fighting us.
00:20:58.000And yet if you go, let's go back to the movie Red Dawn for a moment.
00:21:01.000Remember that great movie with Patrick Swayze where it was the hypothetical situation the United States was invaded?
00:22:16.000We're going to occupy this country for long, long into the future.
00:22:19.000Well, that's the point that I've been trying to make, is that Barack Obama, for outward consumption, said he would try to end the war, but then the elites that are backing him put out press releases saying, don't worry, he's our boy, and then his foreign policy advisor and several others were at a big summit in Canada on globalism and so-called free trade.
00:22:41.000And you know, trying to end NAFTA and GATT, and Barack Obama's people said, don't worry, he's only saying that for the public.
00:22:48.000And that's why I'm telling people Barack Obama is a Trojan horse.
00:22:51.000That's why I wish you were running for president.
00:22:54.000Well, like I've always maintained, Alex, you're not going to see change with a Democrat, you're not going to see change with a Republican.
00:23:02.000The only way change happens in this country is to elect an independent, and this country won't do it.
00:23:09.000You know, they're too entrenched with the two-party system, and it's too difficult to break through that, because it's very hard, because not only does the two-party system, the two-headed snake, control our government, but they also control all the rules, and it's very, very difficult to beat anybody when they can change the rules at halftime.
00:23:30.000Well, a great example of that, I'm going to ask you that when we come back to the full audience.
00:23:34.000We're just on the web right now during the break.
00:23:36.000When we come back to the full audience, I want to ask you about Ron Paul and how he was winning delegates in some states and the Republicans would just come out and say, you know what, it doesn't count.
00:23:45.000We're just going to ignore the process.
00:23:46.000So I want to get your take on that and also any other subjects you want to cover.
00:23:50.000We're also going to take some phone calls for you as well, Governor.
00:23:54.000We're coming back into the main broadcast right now.
00:23:57.000During the breaks, we're just for the internet audience, so we don't waste any of your precious time.
00:24:21.000He's got almost a double-digit lead compared to what he even had when he first announced against the same individual that's running for Senate.
00:24:34.000And I think even with some of the chicanery with the voting machines, Governor Ventura would win by such a margin, and his views are so popular.
00:24:41.000You know, Governor Ventura, I actually disagree with some of what you said here today.
00:24:44.000You keep saying that we're in the minority.
00:24:46.000We are in the majority with our views.
00:24:50.000It's just that I guess you're right that we're in the minority when it comes to people in the power structure, because they are 180 degrees in the other direction of what the people want or what the Constitution and Bill of Rights has to say.
00:25:09.000Maybe we aren't the minority, but if we are the majority, we certainly seem to be silent.
00:25:16.000I mean, there's only a few people talking out.
00:25:19.000Most people are afraid to say anything about 9-11.
00:25:23.000You know, they think you're crazy if you do.
00:25:25.000Well, since you bring that up, you've been attacked by a lot of establishment people, but you've also gotten a lot of support in the polls show.
00:25:33.000The majority of Americans believe they've been lied to about the story.
00:25:37.000I mean, obviously, you told the truth about 9-11.
00:25:41.000Why did you decide to take that plunge?
00:25:45.000Well, you know, when I started, and I really didn't take the plunge.
00:25:48.000I simply asked questions that That to me have not been adequately answered.
00:25:54.000Uh, you know, and I consider myself a demolition expert because I spent, you know, four years on active duty in the Navy as a member of the underwater demolition team.
00:26:04.000I was trained by the best demolition men the United States has.
00:26:08.000And every time I watch those buildings come down now over and over again, and I look at a building that's been demolitioned, they're identical.
00:26:18.000You know, when you watch them fall, but yet, if you bring that up or state that, right away you're considered crazy.
00:26:26.000And how dare you make a statement like that?
00:27:02.000Willie Nelson, Jesse Ventura, the former German Defense Minister, high-level members of the Japanese Parliament, the former Italian President, coming out and questioning the official story, or coming right out and saying it's an inside job.
00:27:14.000I mean, you cannot downplay this, but the establishment trumps.
00:27:32.000And then I want to ask your general audience.
00:27:34.000It'll be a good segue to go maybe to callers.
00:27:37.000But this is a quote by a pretty famous person.
00:27:41.000And when you hear it, it really, to me, parallels the last eight years of thought process here in the United States, where I've been saying that I'm kind of out of the loop now, or it seems that I am.
00:27:56.000Quote, Naturally, the common people don't want war.
00:28:01.000But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy.
00:28:06.000And it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
00:28:17.000Voice or no voice, The people always can be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
00:28:25.000All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.
00:28:36.000Now, Alex, do you agree that that seems to be the mental philosophy we've had here since 9-11?
00:28:42.000Yes, and that's Herman Goering, head of the Luftwaffe.
00:28:50.000Now it troubles me greatly when I start looking at philosophy and how our government seems to be operating, and when it starts paralleling Nazis?
00:29:01.000Isn't that about time the flag should fly up for us as citizens?
00:29:08.000I mean, even the... Hitler didn't just attack Poland, he staged an attack on their own military base, and later admitted it, or firebombed his own Reichstag to get his police state going, and we see last week the Democrats, supposedly are so good, no, they said, yeah, we're against the Fourth Amendment.
00:29:27.000Well, to repeat for all of us to know, what's the Fourth Amendment again, Alex?
00:29:31.000That is the fact that they have to have a warrant and witnesses to search you or tap your phone.
00:29:39.000Yeah, and the Democrats voted last week to continue that policy, that they don't have to, that they could invade your privacy and literally disregard the Fourth Amendment.
00:30:00.000Repeat for all of us to know, what's the Fourth Amendment again, Alex?
00:30:04.000That is the fact that they have to have a warrant and witnesses to search you or tap your phone.
00:30:11.000Yeah, and the Democrats voted last week to continue that policy, that they don't have to, that they could invade your privacy and literally disregard the Fourth Amendment.
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00:33:27.000But he, in reality, he's the good guy.
00:33:29.000And then, when he came on my show and talked about 9-11 being an inside job, you know, I'd met him before that.
00:33:38.000When he questioned the official story of 9-11.
00:33:42.000Really, his stock went up to 100% for me.
00:33:45.000Right up there, really, even past Ron Paul.
00:33:47.000Ron Paul has said that he thinks they may stage attacks, or may stage Gulf of Tonkins, or that they may have let it happen, but he just won't come out and say that it looks like a controlled demolition for political reasons.
00:33:58.000I really respect Governor Jesse Ventura, and even if he doesn't announce he's running for Senate tonight on Larry King Live, you better believe I'll be watching.
00:34:07.000He's done his duty coming out on the show, Question 9-11, speaking out against the police state and everything else he's done.
00:34:14.000Before we go back to your calls, Governor Ventura, you were speaking about the parallels with Nazi Germany and with what we're seeing in this country today.
00:34:29.000Well, you know, Alex, it troubles me when you, for the last eight years, you can take a quote like I read from Herman Goering and apply it to the United States of America because that's exactly what we've been told.
00:35:48.000We also have this hiding behind the flag, which is particularly despicable.
00:35:53.000They always say the flag is the last refuge of tyrants.
00:35:57.000Patriotism is the last refuge of tyrants and thugs.
00:36:02.000And they're the ones that promised the troops they'd be home in six months and knew they'd be there for a decade in their own Pentagon plans.
00:36:08.000They're the ones that want to just destabilize the region, not bring democracy, as they say, publicly.
00:36:15.000And it's just so despicable to see them continue over and over again to get away with this and then have the nerve.
00:36:23.000Bill O'Reilly goes on TV, it's a talking point on Fox and other places, and says, once the war starts you're to shut your mouth and you don't have any say when I thought the troops were fighting so that we'd have a say.
00:36:35.000And then you have 75% or more of all the donations from the troops And you know what gets me to Alex?
00:36:44.000I mean, the majority of the troops in major polls are against the war.
00:36:48.000So how dare these chicken hawks claim that we're not allowed to criticize this illegal war?
00:36:55.000And you know what gets me, too, Alex, exactly what you said, these chicken hawks.
00:37:00.000Because the majority of the great war supporters of this country are the very people who they themselves would never put themselves in the line of danger, would never put a uniform on, and And I'm talking about our current Commander-in-Chief, George W. Bush.
00:37:19.000Dick Cheney with, what, five deferments during Vietnam.
00:37:24.000Our own illustrious Norm Coleman, the senator from Minnesota, who was a huge war protester at Hofstra University when he was back in college, when his little Heinger was on the line, and when he might have to go to war, he wanted no part of it.
00:37:39.000But today, this guy's rubber-stamped everything with the war, and he's got a kid who's of age to go serve.
00:37:46.000Do you think his kid's in the military heading to Iraq?
00:37:50.000Well, Karl Rove's son lives right here in Austin and he's of military age and we don't see him going.
00:37:57.000Speaking of that, George Bush has a lower approval rating than Nixon.
00:38:01.000Congress has a 9% approval rating in a scientific poll, the lowest since polling began a century ago.
00:38:06.000I mean, this government is completely illegitimate.
00:38:10.000More the reason we need you there in the Senate.
00:38:13.000As the speaker, so the world knows that the people aren't for this war.
00:38:18.000I mean, if we don't punish the Democratic and Republican leaders that took us into this illegal war, then it really does hang around our neck.
00:38:25.000We really are guilty of these war crimes.
00:38:28.000But if we punish them, then we get some of our name and good faith back.
00:38:33.000What would you... I mean, are you for impeachment of Bush?
00:38:35.000Karl Rove, I don't know if you know this, fled the U.S.
00:38:43.000Your take on them being indicted or on impeachment?
00:38:47.000Well, I'll put it to you this way, Alex.
00:38:49.000I get very concerned and I get very confused in my country today when cheating on your wife is an impeachable offense, but going to an illegal war and killing thousands of people isn't.
00:39:06.000I'm still trying to figure that one out.
00:39:11.000Most people in this country had no problem when Bill Clinton got impeached for cheating on his wife.
00:39:16.000Which to me, I don't condone it, but I don't care, just like right now.
00:39:22.000The other reason that I probably won't fit in good is I'm not religious enough to hold office in this country anymore.
00:39:30.000I don't have a minister, I don't go to church.
00:39:33.000So, therefore, I probably don't have the type of values that they want to see in public office.
00:39:38.000Well, at least you're not a fake, and that's what matters.
00:39:41.000I mean, I'm sure you've read about the gay porn stars being shipped into the Bohemian Grove and into the White House mainstream news and how the Republican senators are always caught in bathrooms.
00:39:52.000You and I are going to differ on that.
00:39:54.000and of course they're all big church goers now i think people want a jesse ventura uh...
00:39:58.000you know even if you're not religious like they are because they just want somebody who's a straight shooter they're tired of the crap you want to know to agree with that either alex company you and i have got a good job that i don't believe that people of this country to want the truth do you want a good example Tell me.
00:41:15.000You know, in the words of Jack Nicholson and a few good men, I don't believe you can't handle, not you Alex, but the quote, you can't handle the truth.
00:41:44.000You know, we had milk and honey for so long.
00:41:46.000Our ancestors built, you know, this continent, carved it out.
00:41:50.000They weren't perfect, but they were sure, you know, daring and hardworking and piratical.
00:41:54.000And then now, Uh, we got fat and decadent, and thought that evil and corruption was cute, and I think the people are going to find out now with the economy that it's not cute.
00:42:04.000Well, you know what I'm, you know what I'm, you know, and I hate to say this, Alex, but you know what I'm happy about today?
00:42:09.000And it's a sad thing to be happy about.
00:42:13.000I'm happy that the people of America and their economy now are feeling some pain because of this war.
00:42:19.000The problem with this war from day one was that it took five years for the pain to get here.
00:42:25.000But now the pain has arrived because this war plays a big part in the horrible shape that our economy's in today.
00:42:33.000And it's taken this long and prices of $4 to $5 a gallon for gas to finally reach home with the American people that maybe it'll wake them up and tell them that war is not a good thing, that war is not a profit maker, that it doesn't help your economy.
00:42:55.000Well, I agree with you, and as you said, the top economist, it's very simple.
00:43:01.000Dollar devaluation because of excess government spending and the banks creating too much liquidity, as well as the war driving speculation, Is what is bringing us down into what mainstream media is now saying could be a depression.
00:43:16.000But still, you hear the neocons on radio saying, let's blow the hell out of Iran.
00:43:21.000And I've talked to liquor store owners and pizza place owners I know.
00:43:25.000They say that whenever there's a war, a bombardment, that they sell out of liquor and pizza.
00:43:31.000And these men go home and like feel some manly extension off of seeing cluster bombs being dropped on children.
00:43:38.000And actually I was thinking that this morning.
00:43:41.000In a sick way, all these decadent people that love the lies, love being bullies, love being part of this evil, do they think the way the universe works that they can be supporting all this evil and that it isn't going to blow back on them?
00:43:53.000I don't know, but I've always believed what goes around comes around, Alex.
00:44:00.000And we're going to get our comeuppance, I think, pretty quick here.
00:44:05.000If we don't change the path we're going on and start leading with diplomacy, that's the one thing I did like about Barack Obama, where he said that he would talk to our enemies, and yet he took all the heat for that.
00:44:16.000I don't understand why you get heat for talking with your enemy.
00:44:46.000I want to take a few calls here with you, Governor Ventura, but in the 15 minutes we've got left, any other key points or things you want to impart to this audience?
00:44:57.000Just hopefully the wake-up call that people better start standing up and better start speaking out because, you know, I'm getting tired of doing it.
00:45:13.000now now hold on and i know how it is to be frustrated but and i'm excuse you you're the one voice out there you take a tremendous amount of heat yourself and i commend you for having the courage to continue what you do Oh no sir, I commend you, we appreciate you, but let me just... Oh no, Alex, you're doing just as much as me, because you're on the air every day.
00:45:34.000i'm not on the air every day well i just want to say this there is a tide in the fortunes of men when they know taken at the flood or i'm getting that uh...
00:45:44.000backwards there is a tide in the affairs of men when taken at the flood leads on to fortune that's a julius caesar quote there is a time the affairs of men when taken at the flood leads on to fortune the the fortune you and i are after is liberty and freedom for our children and grandchildren our prodigy uh...
00:46:01.000our progeny to come And so I'm saying to you, you came early.
00:46:05.000You came before this thing really came to a head.
00:46:07.000Now, you are right at that flashpoint, Governor Ventura, and we need somebody, you know, who's intelligent, who is, you know, manly, who is strong, who is the archetypal leader type You know, up there with the chiseled jaw and the intellect and the gruff voice to be a leader during these times of crises.
00:46:28.000And we've got Ron Paul and a few others.
00:46:31.000And so that's why I believe you're going to announce for the Senate.
00:46:35.000I know it means six years in that nightmare pit of D.C., but you'll still be able to take some time off for fishing and going out and surfing.
00:46:45.000and and and seeing your wife i mean i understand you've already given a lot i understand it was hellish being governor and being lied about and having your children being hunted by the uh...
00:46:54.000but but all i'm trying to say is this is history this is history you can't turn history down or your whole life up to this point being in this position i think you're gonna make the right decision tonight well there is no right or wrong decision well you certainly already come out and talk about nine eleven and spoken out I mean, you've already done your duty.
00:47:13.000I'm saying we need you to go above and beyond that.
00:47:54.000Say, listen, I wanted to first off start by thanking you for what you've done so far for this country.
00:47:59.000And I want to say that you're a true American.
00:48:01.000Um, I myself was in the military, and my MOS was 12 Bravo, so I also was sort of an explosives expert, and I agree fully with your views on 9-11.
00:48:13.000So when you're having work with demolition, when you watch those buildings, you see them like me, that they look like they're brought down with demo?
00:48:22.000You know, honestly, I could not see anything besides that.
00:48:39.000And I just want to say that whatever your decision is tonight, we respect you and we honor that decision, because I know family is a huge commitment.
00:48:48.000I do also want to say that we are in a monumental period in history where we can either look back on this and say, you know, Man, I wish I would have done it, or we can look back and say I wish I had.
00:49:36.000I'm not so fully in tune like everyone else that thinks one person can make the total difference.
00:49:42.000I think that I would be like a red-headed stepchild out there.
00:49:47.000They would do everything to bury me that they could.
00:49:50.000But look how much support Ron Paul got over $27 million.
00:49:54.000I think you're going to get that same type of support.
00:49:57.000I think most of that movement would get behind you.
00:50:01.000And again, the media doesn't have the power it had six, seven years ago.
00:50:06.000Remember how they censored you when you tried to do your TV show?
00:50:09.000You're not going to be censored now because there's this huge alternative media now Wait a minute now, that's not true, because if you look at what's happening right now in St.
00:50:19.000Paul, where they're going to have the Republican Convention, the police and the courts are already ruling that the protesters will not be allowed on any of the main streets, that they're going to be only to side streets, so that way they'll get them off.
00:52:37.000My question is, are you aware of the National Incident Management System and how it pertains to the The breakdown of the chain of command and taking the powers away from local sheriffs.
00:52:55.000Governor Ventura, you're aware that they're federalizing a lot of police.
00:52:58.000The President, under his executive orders, is now saying Congress isn't allowed to see the emergency plans, but the declassified version says the President is a dictator.
00:53:12.000That was one of the first things I disliked about Bush when he first got in office was that he flagrantly lied to me.
00:53:18.000When we first got in office, of course, you have the National Governors Association that meets with the president, and you have the dinner on Sunday night, and then Monday morning you meet in the White House, and you talk domestic policy, what direction he's going to go, and what you can expect as a governor.
00:53:33.000And George Bush, the first year he was in office, looked at all of us and said he was going to be an old Federalist-type president.
00:53:40.000In other words, he was going to give power to the states, which I agree with.
00:53:45.000I like the idea of states being their own entities in this country to where then the state that most fits my beliefs, I can go live in that state because they will be parallel to what I believe in.
00:53:56.000Well, Bush, what he did was just the opposite.
00:54:00.000Once he got in power, he was the opposite.
00:54:02.000He started taking all the power from the states, cases in point.
00:54:06.000I believe 12 or 13 states now have passed the use of medicinal marijuana, where doctors should be able to prescribe it, and yet Bush and the federal government says, oh no, we won't allow that.
00:54:18.000Oregon two times has passed the Dignity and Death Bill, where the people have voted on it, and yet Bush says, we don't care if you voted on it, we're not going to allow it to happen.
00:54:27.000And so George Bush is totally for federal power.
00:54:31.000So it doesn't surprise me in the least that he would be federalizing most of our law enforcement because that's what our government has been heading that direction.
00:54:40.000It continues to head that direction, and nobody seems to want to stop it.
00:54:45.000Governor Ventura, getting back briefly to 9-11 and take a few final calls.
00:54:49.000uh I mean, everybody who's in control of demolition, and I've talked to countless people on air, guests about it, say that's a classical control demolition.
00:54:58.000We have firemen and police saying, we've been told to get back, they're going to bring the buildings down.
00:55:18.000You notice there's no other investigations happening.
00:55:21.000There aren't going to be any investigations happening.
00:55:24.000You notice on the Democratic side, if it's brought up to people like Bill Clinton and even Bill Maher, They yell and scream at the people and tell them they're crazy.
00:55:33.000There will be nothing that will happen on 9-11 in my opinion.
00:55:47.000They still hold to the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone assassin.
00:55:52.000And anybody that can believe that hogwash, but yet the history books have stated that way, aren't they?
00:55:58.000But, Governor, we now have the internet and other things, and the history books have finally been discredited, and it didn't take us 40 years to get 80-some percent of people thinking that 9-11 was an inside job, as 80-plus percent now know that Kennedy was an inside job.
00:56:13.000But even with all those figures, Alex, it still doesn't matter, does it?
00:57:21.000George Bush never finished the job there because he misdirected all our troops before getting the job done into Iraq.
00:57:28.000And that's the classic example of someone who doesn't know jack about military, which is our president.
00:57:34.000Or perhaps they want to get us tied up in a war so we'll rally around the flag while they suck the treasury dry.
00:57:42.000Well that too, and also it'll make the Republicans for some reason even stronger because another additional war everybody's saying is going to help John McCain.
00:57:52.000So don't think it's beyond the Republicans to get going against him to hurt anybody to Iran, and then they're going to sell us on the fact that even though the largest attack in U.S.
00:58:02.000history happened on a Republican watch, you notice they're already blaming Bill Clinton for 9-11.
00:58:55.000Hey Governor, we're back in 50 seconds and this is only a four and a half minute segment.
00:59:01.000We'll come in, take two final calls, plug the book, and then I'm going to be praying all day that you are hoping above hope that you're going to run for the Senate because I see destiny in this and I really think there's going to be fireworks.
00:59:18.000Well, you know, Alex, I hope that if my decision is the other way, you won't hate me forever.
00:59:24.000I am not going to hate you, absolutely not, and I would hope that is your decision before you leave in the fall to go back down to the Pacific Coast of Mexico that you'll come back on and talk about the tyranny, because you're speaking out.
00:59:38.000A lot of people listen to you and respect you, so you've already done more than your duty speaking out, and we appreciate it.
00:59:50.000Have you thought about what Corey said to you about coming up and speaking with the first responders about getting them health care in New York?
01:00:52.000Republicans look like they'll get slaughtered in the congressional races, and they're going to lose all their power.
01:01:00.000So rest assured that some type of decision they will have to come up with in an attempt to continue to keep themselves in power, because that's what the two parties do, and that's their main objective.
01:01:12.000Well, we also have all these memos confirmed, where the Republicans are saying, we need terror attacks.
01:01:18.000I mean, how much more obvious does it have to get?
01:03:54.000If you've got a mortgage or a debt hanging over your head that's more than you make, that's more than what all the worth you have, Well, your economy is in big trouble.
01:04:04.000Well, that's the same way because of the debt that our economy is in trouble today, and the devaluing of the dollars goes hand in hand with the high oil prices.
01:04:12.000Muhammad, does that answer your question?
01:04:14.000Well, I just want to say, because I don't want to be here when the dollar is worthless.
01:05:27.000Just like when conservatives would see Bill Clinton handing over ports to the communist Chinese military they would freak out and think my god republicans must be good and then run join them see that's how the left-right paradigm works the left feeds the right the right feeds the left in their fear keeping the two groups separate but combined into the same false paradigm tied up together
01:05:54.000And so, Republican policies reinforce the left, and Democratic, liberal policies reinforce the right.
01:06:00.000Whether it's in Germany, or England, or the US, or Australia, it doesn't matter.
01:06:09.000And so everybody sees real environmental problems, people dying of cancer when they're 15 years old everywhere.
01:06:15.000Leukemia is way up, all these other things way up, autism, people unhealthy, all these new diseases, all these toxicities, all these superfund sites, and then they hear of the solutions of global tax and they say, my God, I'm for it!
01:06:30.000How do you approach somebody and go, look, here's how the trick works.
01:06:34.000Bush comes out against it, and then you know he's a bad guy and wrong on every other policy, so you think, oh my gosh, it must be good.
01:06:46.000You see, just like Bush is so bad, well the left all must be good, so maybe gun control is good if Bush is against it.
01:06:52.000But in reality, he tripled the size of the BATF and is coming after your guns.
01:06:56.000You see, that's why you've got to get out of the left-right paradigm.
01:06:59.000We're not going to save the environment, and it's in trouble, folks, unless we can not let them co-opt us into their false solution of taxing greenhouse gases.
01:07:13.000I hope all of this is getting through to you.
01:07:18.000They're going to tax your breathing while they engineer grasses, oaks, every food plant, every animal, crossing it with other insects and other animals, hundreds of human hybrids, goat hybrids, pig hybrids, cow hybrids, Horse hybrids, dog hybrids, jellyfish-humanoid hybrids.
01:07:39.000I mean, type in human-animal hybrid into Google and all the National Geographic, AP, Reuters, BBC.
01:07:45.000You tell the person on the street that, they don't believe it exists, because they've been taught to fear carbon dioxide, not Cross-species hybrids that give rise to super-viruses, that then go into bacteria and give you super-mutated bacteria, already killing bees, killing trees, killing the ocean, mutating plankton.
01:08:23.000Alright, we're going to Bob Chapman, and I've got all this other news here.
01:08:27.000He'll be with us for the rest of the show, or until about 45 after next hour.
01:08:31.000Your calls are coming up, I promise, at 1-800-259-9231 on any issue with Bob Chapman, but especially the economy.
01:08:38.000Bob, I want you to recap what we've seen happen the last week with Indy Bank, with Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, And then walk us through the basics, recap the basics, and then look at what solutions to this would be, but we know that's not going to happen, so where this is going to go.
01:08:59.000And so we can't have big solutions to fix the major problems, which you say is too late, and I agree, but to have a softer landing than what we can do individually.
01:09:07.000Bob Chapman, The International Forecaster, thank you for joining us.
01:09:10.000And if you'd like, you can comment on the environmental rant I was just engaging in.
01:09:14.000No, I thought you covered it brilliantly.
01:09:17.000Some of the things that you spoke about, I wasn't aware of, and I think you've got a great grasp on it, and I think the listeners should be happy that you're able to present it in a concise form that way.
01:09:33.000As far as what's going on in the financial markets, we can reach back almost a year now.
01:09:41.000When the exposure came, There was a credit crisis.
01:09:46.000Needless to say, it had been building for the last couple of years prior to that.
01:09:51.000And since then, they really accomplished very little in solving that crisis.
01:09:57.000We've seen commercial and residential real estate fall in value in degrees, depending upon where you are and how much your real estate went up.
01:10:12.000We've seen a tremendous fraud uncovered with the sale of mortgage bonds called CDOs and SIVs and the mislabeling them of AAA when in fact they were BBB with a difference between a 10 and a 4.
01:10:35.000And now we're starting to see the Falling out of banking structure.
01:10:42.000We saw the financial assassination of Bear Stearns.
01:10:49.000That was the machinations of those on Wall Street in conjunction with the Federal Reserve, which Wall Street owns.
01:10:56.000And we then saw beginnings of institutions going under, and that came with the mortgage companies first, And then there was some 235 or 50 of them that went down.
01:12:00.000I saw a couple of articles that said, in the last couple of days, especially one today in the Chicago Tribune, Uh, relating that the subprime alter mortgage problem will be over this month.
01:12:20.000That particular segment of the market has got until the end of next June to go.
01:12:25.000And all during that period it's going to be nasty.
01:12:28.000On top of that... Well, Bob, stop there.
01:12:29.000I didn't want to interrupt you because I wanted you to go over all this, but that was in my list of things to ask.
01:12:33.000This is the same group that told us six months ago with Bear Stearns that this was the end of the downturn, and they knew the whole time because I was reading some of their internal stuff that leaks out.
01:12:43.000They were saying, get ready for curtains.
01:12:45.000Meanwhile, they're telling the people everything's great.
01:12:49.000That makes them lose more confidence, doesn't it?
01:12:51.000Doesn't that make the people trust them even less?
01:12:55.000That the fact that they can never tell us the truth?
01:13:12.000They have just decimated the financial and economic system.
01:13:17.000Through their greed more than anything else.
01:13:20.000And they also want to, as you explained when you talked about environmentalism, that they want to denude the Western nations of manufacturing capability so they can handle them better, bring them down to a lower level.
01:13:38.000And it's the same thing in the financial and economic overall sphere.
01:13:45.000And so We're looking at all these fallouts, and what if from here on out, you're probably going to see a few hundred banks go under, maybe even more.
01:13:56.000And the FDIC is $52 billion in round figures, and this buyout saving of IndyMac is going to cost somewhere around $6 or $8 billion, so it's a good chunk of the money that they had.
01:14:16.000I noticed that, and they didn't say how, but they said those who had more than $100,000 in their accounts would be compensated in time.
01:14:26.000I don't know whether it's this century or the next, but anyway, we've been telling people to take any monies out of banks that were over $100,000, and to think twice about even keeping $100,000 in a bank, because I think many of them, because of this toxic waste in the form of mortgage bonds that they're holding and other loans as well, and credit card loans and everything else, that many, many banks are going to be under pressure.
01:14:56.000Because they all lie so much in their financials.
01:14:58.000How do you analyze if a bank's a good place to have your dollar, which is already being stolen by inflation?
01:15:05.000Well, there are services that do that, and we have one that we recommend to people, and they charge a small fee, which I think is understandable and worthwhile to find out what their rating on such-and-such bank is.
01:15:20.000and But I think the main thing is that you don't want to have a lot of cash around unless you've got a business or something like that.
01:15:30.000And even if you've got a business, if you're using a bank, you're going to have to use several banks if you've got like a half a million.
01:15:37.000You should have five accounts with 100,000 each of them just to protect yourself.
01:15:43.000And people who don't need a great cash flow or money sitting there behind them, I think they should be considering gold and silver-related assets.
01:15:54.000And for those who already have a lot of those or don't want any, the only alternative I can see is Swiss franc government bonds.
01:16:03.000And they yield to 2.5%, the strongest currency in the world.
01:16:11.000They do have enough gold to back their currency if they choose to again.
01:16:49.000But you're saying it's going to take longer, a couple more years for the depression to hit, but then you were right on about the earnings coming in, the news coming in now, this happening now.
01:16:59.000I just don't see this going out another two and a half years.
01:17:02.000Well, I know you don't, and I think it's because you probably haven't been doing this for 50 years, and you gain patience.
01:17:11.000And not only that, you recognize the power that the Illuminati has.
01:17:16.000I mean, they control the press strings of the entire world.
01:17:45.000I mean, obviously, but for somebody who's making $20,000 a year, they're going to be worse off in a bad market or a depression than somebody worth a billion bucks.
01:17:54.000But what you said yesterday was very, very important.
01:17:59.000And that was that this is going to get so bad that the guys behind the scenes Who are causing all this are going to lose their wealth as well.
01:18:28.000Well, Bob, for me, that's the big political question.
01:18:31.000Are they going to be able to keep their political mechanisms in place, their police state in place, to keep us from bringing them to justice?
01:18:38.000Because the only hope we have is bringing them to justice and changing the system, as Ron Paul and yourself and so many other experts have agreed.
01:18:46.000So, you know, the problem I see is them preemptively bringing in a police state so they can financially rape us and then not get in trouble for it.
01:18:56.000Well, if that is the case, then we have to kill them all.
01:19:16.000See, I think the police and military, they're just so used to following orders.
01:19:19.000I think they're just going to go along with it all, even though it totally destroys their future.
01:19:24.000And I think there's going to be large groups of people that won't go along with it, but I kind of see us falling like the old Soviet Union.
01:19:32.000I think that's the best we can hope for, is not a hot war.
01:19:35.000I hope it doesn't come to what you said, and I hope they don't win their police state.
01:19:39.000I really see it all going bankrupt where they can't even fund it.
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01:22:45.000That's coming up early in the next hour.
01:22:47.000But right now, in the minutes we've got left, Bob, you are continuing to walk through the fact that this is going to bring everybody down.
01:22:58.000You agree with the Financial Times of London, you know, saying that this even endangers the overarching order of things.
01:23:04.000They meant this to be the debt Well, I think they, and they've done this before, they overestimated what they could accomplish.
01:23:22.000And then, in addition to that, they were very, very surprised at the mess that the Bush administration and
01:23:33.000uh... the uh... blair and now uh... gordon brown administration in in london made of iraq and afghanistan it's it's just you know the corporate entity a couple years ago he said i mean this is a nightmare i mean uh... you know that uh... with all the work we did on this thing and these guys have made a mess out of it is it set back the The timetable for world government by 30 years.
01:24:13.000And you've got to remember, one of the real problems that they have is they are very, very arrogant people.
01:24:18.000They think they're the lords of the world.
01:24:22.000The heads of the universe, if you might If you might.
01:24:27.000And they're prone to make those kind of silly mistakes because they have a lot of people working with them 24-7 all over the world because they have endless supplies of wealth, working on their plans for the future.
01:24:43.000And then, of course, Brzezinski and Kissinger and people like that take those plans and put them together and shape them into policy for these people, in which you've said, Alex, You can find all this.
01:24:56.000All you have to do is be willing to read and do research.
01:25:00.000I mean, Foreign Affairs is the house organ of the Council on Foreign Relations.
01:26:40.000To all the police, all the military, all the government people, the general public listening, everything that the patriots have talked about, everything we've talked about here, has come true and happened.
01:27:09.000You know in your gut we're telling you the truth.
01:27:28.000The largest in the past gold and silver broker in the world, the largest newsletter in the world, and retired.
01:27:34.000He's back in the last few years, I guess six, seven, eight years now, with International Forecaster.
01:27:39.000And we're honored that he spends so much time with us each week during these crises.
01:27:42.000He's one of our best experts we have on, one of many, but they all seem to be agreeing on the basics.
01:27:48.000But his insight is even deeper than most, because he also worked in military intelligence before he got into the financials.
01:27:56.000Bob, this is a quick segment, as you know, but I'm going to skip it for behind-the-scenes listeners, so we'll go straight through to the next segment and take calls.
01:28:04.000Bush said Friday, and I've got it right here, Times of London, he said, I support Israel going ahead and hitting Iran, publicly said go ahead and hit them.
01:28:14.000The Israelis are massing aircraft inside Iraq, huge provocation.
01:28:19.000And it looks like that Ray McGovern and others are right that it's a go sometime in September or October as an October surprise.
01:28:32.000Well, I think the main reason is to detract people's minds away from the economic and financial problems that not only beset the United States, but the world.
01:28:42.000Because when the doggy, which is the United States, wags its tail, All the world thunders and quakes and trembles, economically and financially.
01:28:54.000And so, I think it is a move just like Iran and Afghanistan were, to get people looking in the other direction.
01:29:04.000I once met a man from Israel and I said, aren't you concerned about the economic climate that's there?
01:29:10.000And he said, no, I'm more concerned about whether I'm going to get killed or not.
01:29:17.000If you've got these wars going on, people are going to be thinking, well, gee, what's next?
01:30:16.000And also, Russia has said yesterday that they are contemplating now, even though Poland has backed out of the missile deal, putting those missiles ostensibly to shoot down Iranian rockets, when in fact it was to threaten Russia, they said, you know, if you go ahead somewhere over there and you do that, we're going to target all of the major cities in Western Europe.
01:30:44.000I mean, think about the rhetoric we're hearing.
01:30:46.000Even in the Cold War, they never threatened to nuke us.
01:30:48.000And they've had their top foreign minister and others say, we may go ahead, if you even put missiles in these countries, we may go ahead and hit them.
01:30:57.000I mean, Russia doesn't just make threats.
01:31:06.000You know, almost all the time I spent in counterintelligence was working against them in the KGB, the NKVD, and Stasi, and other units as well.
01:32:36.000So, in oil, under those circumstances, it could be $200 to $300, I don't know, any number you want to make.
01:32:45.000And so, on the downside, if there's no attack, anywhere between $80 and $120, picking $100 or $80 as a bottom on oil, Yeah, remember the good old days when oil was $100 a barrel?
01:33:00.000And of course, that was a nightmare just six, seven months ago when it was $100 a barrel.
01:33:26.000And you know, you ask yourself, how do these things happen?
01:33:28.000Well, there's a lot of manipulation going on, a lot of politics, and we're not behind the scenes, so we've got to get to what they're doing, we've got to back into their intentions.
01:33:52.000When I look at them on TV and read their own writings, they're starting to panic.
01:33:56.000And I know where a lot of the big money is going.
01:33:58.000For at least two years, they have been completely pulling out of Israel and the U.S. and saying things like, it isn't going to be here economically.
01:34:48.000So to be clear, Bob, do you think they're really going to hit Iran A, and if they are, part A, you know, the second part of the question A,
01:35:08.000Well, number one, I think the possibility of conflict is even money.
01:35:23.000Again, we're not behind the scenes, so we know that something very well could happen, and might very well happen.
01:35:47.000And I just don't have enough intelligence.
01:35:50.000Well, the worsening economic straits, I mean, remember the stock market started going down and then they staged 9-11 to kind of be an emotional rally around the flag opiate.
01:36:16.000To misdirect people, and that does push the odds from perhaps even money to 60-40, 60 that it would happen, or maybe 70-30.
01:36:27.000Again, because we're not on the inside, we don't know, but those are probably the odds now because of the crumbling of the markets and the terrible problems of bankruptcies that we're seeing in the United States and in Western Europe.
01:36:42.000They tried today to keep the market up, we've got about About an hour to go, 15 minutes, and the Dow is coming unglued again.
01:36:52.000And, you know, every time it does that, they come in the market to try to keep it up, to holding off, you know, the inevitable problem of lower prices.
01:37:02.000Lower prices are very important to them that they don't happen because the market is the last vistage, the stock market, of anything that is pliable that will I stand up for you, and that's not happening anymore.
01:37:19.000The market has broken down from a fundamental and a technical base, and it should have broken down a long time ago.
01:37:27.000But it is now, and so that adds fuel to the fire to have Israel and the United States go in and attack Iran.
01:37:37.000But again, will the Russians get involved?
01:37:39.000If they do, you get a third world war and it'll go nuclear.
01:37:45.000Europe, the United States, Russia will have all kinds of casualties.
01:37:49.000Well, I agree with you that it's a 60-40.
01:37:51.000If there was any sanity within the elite, it'd be a zero chance.
01:37:55.000But the boldness to carry out a complex op like 9-11...
01:38:00.000It shows these are very, very reckless, arrogant people and it shows they're into stuff that's spectacular.
01:38:10.000By the way, ladies and gentlemen, we couldn't be in worse straits.
01:38:13.000I mean, Bush has been totally unstable and a nice puppet for the elite, but now we face Barack Obama.
01:38:19.000And John McCain, both of them equally as bad.
01:38:22.000But this is another strike against Obama.
01:38:25.000Arnold Schwarzenegger, Politico reporting, and they're a good source of news, a cabinet-level position, which if cabinet is in the succession, I believe that violates the Constitution with foreign-born being in the succession line for president.
01:38:40.000Arnold, a very dangerous person, just insane with power lust.
01:38:46.000California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger said in an interview aired Sunday that he would be open to an idea of serving as Energy Czar in Barack Obama's administration.
01:38:53.000Of course, he ran in California on the advisory panel, the Enron scamming, and then posed and ran on a platform fighting Enron.
01:39:06.000I mean, just another example of who could, Bob, who could imagine a comic book series where we'd be looking at 2008 with a son of a Nazi who says he wants to be a Nazi dictator, who's in gay porn, running around with some guy whose dad's a Muslim, named Hussein Barack Obama, with a nutcase Manchurian candidate who wants our guns for the Republican.
01:39:57.000Arnold went on ABC's this week, he said it on television with Stephanopoulos, that he wants to give something back being energy as he just are.
01:40:07.000I mean, Arnold made hundreds of millions just in the little council he was in running scams with Enron.
01:40:24.000We're in a lot of trouble, Bob Chapman.
01:40:27.000Well, those tattletale squads are really, really something that I don't listen to your program all the time, so I don't know how much you've covered it.
01:40:36.000But they've got police and firefighters and paramedics and other people who are out among the public who are employed by government in one form or another.
01:40:47.000They are now training them to look for suspicious things.
01:40:51.000In other words, let's spy on everybody.
01:40:59.000I mean, it can't get any worse than that.
01:41:01.000It's neighbor against neighbor, child against parents, and so on.
01:41:07.000Well, and in fact they give children money to spy on their parents, and they have these neighborhood FBI meetings now for six and a half years.
01:41:13.000They say, come to the meeting to fight Al-Qaeda.
01:41:15.000And you show up and they say, okay, this is a week-long course, you're fighting Al-Qaeda, and then it's like an hour on Al-Qaeda, and the rest is, does your neighbor have pot plants?
01:42:25.000You were fighting a real war with their operatives, but at the highest levels, we were giving them the nukes, the food, the money, letting them take over countries, because we couldn't be the bad guys then.
01:42:35.000The bankers had to have somebody to go around and murder middle classes, but now we're going to be the bad guys.
01:43:28.000Anyway, 1846, California, General Vallejo instilling tyranny, trying to steal the Golden Republic, and here we have Governor Schwarzenegger running around doing stuff that's a hundred times worse, and nobody does anything about it!
01:44:04.000If they don't care, there's no evidence.
01:44:06.000If they do care, there's no evidence of it.
01:44:09.000I recognized some of the major problems in California where I lived for 36 years.
01:44:15.000In the early 1990s, and I said, I've got to get out of here, because the tax base was eroding, they were overwhelmed with people who didn't pay taxes at all, and the economy continued to deteriorate, and most people couldn't see that.
01:44:37.000But it's getting people to do things, and that's what the gentleman is asking.
01:45:02.000Literally every couple months, new tax authorities show up out of nowhere at my business demanding new taxes.
01:45:08.000trying to force their way in to look at everything, look at our books, with no judge, no warrant, and they're doing it to everybody, not just me.
01:46:53.000The Sunshine Project in 2000 was able to get the secret documents from Congress, only the cover sheets, but you know they have helicopters in every city under a continuity of government.
01:47:03.000This goes back to Clinton with knockout gas, opiates, but we also know now they have nerve gas on them, and that they're planning, if there's ever a wide-scale revolt, to nerve gas from the air.
01:47:18.000Yeah, I guess they're just going to kill everybody.
01:47:20.000I guess that's your loving government, huh?
01:47:23.000You know, they are wild and mad beyond description.
01:47:27.000It's hard to get that over the people because, you know, they run around on television well-dressed and they seem like such nice ladies and gentlemen, when in fact they're evil malefactors.
01:47:38.000And people just don't see it because they don't have time to get the depth of thought that we do.
01:47:48.000I mean, I study this literally 18 hours a day, and I'm learning more every month than I knew previously.
01:47:54.000It seems to all just be... Do you agree everything's accelerating, Bob?
01:47:59.000It is accelerating, and the information that we're getting now because of the Internet, and because so many people are now looking into it, is really overwhelming.
01:48:12.000And people say to me, you know, You write that publication.
01:48:16.000How do you put up with all that negativism?
01:48:18.000And I said, I don't have a problem at all.
01:48:20.000You know, after 50 years, you get used to it.
01:48:24.000But then again, you never get totally used to it.
01:48:33.000Well, my take on it is, we're not being negative.
01:48:36.000What's negative is that people don't know we have this infection like gangrene, and we're trying to cut the rotten flesh off, and yeah, it doesn't feel good, but it's going to save the body.
01:48:46.000And so to me, I don't get, quote, tired of it, because I know I need to basically lance the boil.
01:48:54.000Well, I agree, and that's why at my advanced stage I keep doing this.
01:48:59.000You know, people, the letters every day say, Please don't stop.
01:49:54.000I think they just got so greedy in their gang raping of the financial system that they now are going to bring their whole rotten mess down on us all.
01:50:03.000Yeah, I think that is probably the bottom line on it.
01:50:07.000Did you ever have G. Edward Griffith on the program?
01:51:28.000Well, I'm African American, and it's no surprise that our government has been corrupt for a long time, but facing the current dangers of everyone that's starving and hurt, I think it's time for us to really start focusing on what we can do to better America.
01:54:09.000And it's because at an instinctive level, spiritual, whatever you want to call it, I know what comes around goes around.
01:54:15.000And I know at an instinctive level, I can intellectually reason it out, and then you reap what you sow as a scientific fact.
01:54:21.000I can intellectually, in the geopolitical realm, show you how it is a fact.
01:54:25.000But just instinctively, I know killing a million Iraqis in the last seven years, last five and a half years, killing three million of them conservatively in the last eighteen, that is a great evil done in my country's name that besmirches my forefathers and besmirches my children in the future.
01:54:44.000And that there's a law in the universe.
01:54:46.000We're going to be hurt because of this.
01:55:52.000I just got back from Iraq about a month ago, and I listened to you almost the entire time I was here over the internet, and you were my only source.
01:56:00.000of entertainment and I gotta give it to you Alex.
01:56:03.000You know it takes courage to do everything that we all do together.
01:56:07.000I'll tell you what, I'm going to hold you over through this break for the PrisonPlanet.tv viewers with Bob Chapman.
01:56:36.000Jeremy, you say as your source of entertainment you were listening in Iraq or listening once you got back here?
01:56:43.000No, I was listening over the internet.
01:56:44.000I had internet in my room and I was listening to you every day.
01:56:47.000In Iraq, okay, how many, because we see 75% of the donations, a total of about 40% of all political donations from the troops went to Ron Paul, the rest mainly to Barack Obama because they thought he was anti-war.
01:57:00.000We see polls of 75% of the troops against the war a year ago.
01:57:05.000What is the feeling of the forces over there right now and how many people over there are aware of the New World Order?
01:57:11.000Well, you've got to understand is I'm actually in the Army, I'm a soldier, and I think most of his probably donations are probably Navy, Air Force, and Marines.
01:57:20.000I'm in a special operations community, and they're completely compartmentalized.
01:57:25.000If they are there, they're very silent.
01:57:28.000I was kind of the only voice in my area, and telling you where I'm at right now, I went to that Ron Paul rally this past weekend, and I got to see how real this really is, and I finally got to be surrounded by people who think like me.
01:57:42.000I know that there are out there in the military that understand what's going on, but where I'm at, I'm pretty much all alone, and I understand Mr. Ventura's frustration.
01:57:53.000He probably feels like he's isolated, but I'll tell you, most of us soldiers have to give up so much time.
01:58:26.000And then he said some things off air that I think I might have... I was trying to push him, and then he did sound like he's maybe not going to do it.
01:58:37.000Bob Chapman, what do you say to these eloquent words we're hearing?
01:58:41.000Well, I didn't listen to Mr. Ventura, and so I don't know what he said, but I'll tell you one thing, he's better than anybody else that's got a shot up there.
01:58:54.000And so with that said, it would be a good idea if he was able to run.
01:59:12.000And how many of the guys are going Looney Tunes from the stress?
01:59:16.000Well, I'll tell you what, I can't give up a lot of information because I'm not trying to put myself, like you said, you got to pick your own battles.
01:59:22.000But I had a very good guy, senior NCO, hang himself when he got back from Iraq.
01:59:33.000But all I know is after he did his rotation of seven months, He came home early, that's when he did it.
01:59:39.000So I don't know what got to him, but it's really affecting the social.
01:59:42.000You need to tell all those men, join the rebellion against the New World Order, and they'll get their moral compass back, they'll get their strength back, and they'll have the moral initiative, and they'll stop killing themselves.
02:00:12.000We're going into very hard times, ladies and gentlemen.
02:00:15.000Everybody, including people in this movement, need to have a gut check.
02:00:18.000Need to put out the maximum effort right now against the New World Order.
02:00:23.000I thought Ventura would definitely run.
02:00:24.000It didn't sound good when he kept hinting about, well, don't get mad at me if I don't run.
02:00:28.000Alex, I'll do another interview with you before I go back to Mexico.
02:00:32.000If he's gonna run for the Senate, he's not gonna be going back to Mexico.
02:00:38.000So many people are running to, and we'll find out tonight on Larry King.
02:00:42.000Bob Chapman, we were just talking for the PrisonPlanet.tv viewers, because we do some of the behind-the-scenes talking, talking to that Special Forces officer that just came back, and his commander just hung himself.
02:01:02.000I mean, they are killing themselves in mass.
02:01:04.000And even men, when it's a righteous war, tend to break down a good percentage of them.
02:01:10.000Or, they die young of heart attacks, so they're real reckless.
02:01:13.000You know, I had a lot of veterans in my family, and they were old guys, and you'd see them, they were always ready to get in a fight with somebody, always macho, not a fake macho, reckless, you know, crazy.
02:02:27.000Maybe there's a better word for it, but they call it a volunteer force.
02:02:33.000And, you know, that's a tough way to make a living in make-believe wars, where the President has to lie to get us into a war to kill over a million people.
02:02:45.000I do a program on Friday with Drew Rains, and most of the listeners are active and retired military people, and I do it because of that.
02:02:55.000I'm a veteran myself and most of the Marines and Navy, but we get a lot of people listening from the State Department.
02:03:02.000And it's amazing the things that go on.
02:03:07.000I don't know if I ever told you, but they told me on the program from the State Department that all of the embassies have a copy of my report every time it comes out.
02:03:19.000And Washington is very upset that I am printing what I'm printing.
02:03:25.000And so, Alex, we are getting to them, believe me.
02:03:32.000I mean, photographs that entire councils of the diet have their interns boiling down my radio shows, giving them video clips, watching my films.
02:03:43.000I mean, the Japanese government is, think of the responsibility.
02:03:49.000I'm just some 34-year-old guy who's been hardcore doing this for 13 years, studying it before that, and I'm a loudmouth.
02:03:57.000But, I mean, the responsibility of that, and I know, Bob, a lot of elites check out what you're writing and saying.
02:04:03.000When I had State Department people on me and FBI and Army intelligence on me, I'd finally say, look, I know you coming up asking me questions.
02:05:02.000All you're going to get is bad luck, and that isn't some physical threat.
02:05:05.000You are foolish if you don't know that when you do bad things, and that means especially messing with somebody who's putting the truth out, that the universe doesn't like that, do they, Bob?
02:05:59.000I know that in the States and in Canada a lot of the militias have been absorbed either into the National Guard or in Canada, the Reserves, but I'm not really a hundred percent clear on it.
02:06:13.000The organized militia wasn't set up until 1906 as the National Guards.
02:06:19.000All the Federalist Papers, all the court cases I mean, that's why a sheriff could deputize, but you had to do what he said.
02:06:28.000That was an instant draft by the elected representative, could say, you're coming with me, somebody just killed, you know, some kid, just raped some girl, we're going to chase them if it's across five states.
02:06:38.000There was no jurisdiction, they went after them.
02:06:41.000So that's when the people were the government, now there's the mistrust of the corrupt government of the people.
02:06:46.000So militias are totally legal, totally lawful, It is your right and duty, 18 to 49, and in enduring emergencies they can call people out even 65.
02:06:54.000The governor, the county commissioners, the sheriff, the city cannot call out the militia.
02:07:01.000It's a state function and through state chartered institutions.
02:07:05.000But the problem is they infiltrate militias and people try to set them up and then feds even try to become leaders to then send everybody to prison No, I think you've covered it fully.
02:07:27.000That's just the way it is, and the government has done that, and they've tried to do that to me several times.
02:07:34.000In fact, they've gone to friends of mine and told them that they want them to give all the information they can and spy upon me.
02:07:42.000And I didn't know it until years later.
02:08:01.000And like I said, I was just wondering if I mean, I know I know they're illegal, but they've been demonized and... Yeah, but see, the Second Amendment is... Montana militia is renowned for being these kooks, but I know what a militia is.
02:08:12.000I know they're not nuts, and I was just wondering why this isn't happening more en masse.
02:08:17.000Like, you would think that as many organized militias as you can in as many places would be very... Chris, let me move on and explain what happened.
02:08:27.000The militia movement had state representatives behind it.
02:08:32.000Oklahoma passed an anti-UN law and called out the militia.
02:08:36.000Then the feds went in there and blew a federal building to Kingdom Come to blame it on the militia.
02:08:43.000And then Feds would infiltrate and provocateur.
02:08:46.000I mean, I've gone out to pro-Second Amendment meetings that the government here considers a militia, and we had Feds come to it, and locals, and say, let's blow things up and kill police, and then we'd follow them out in the parking lot, and they thought we were so dumb, they were driving unmarked police cars, and then we'd follow the cop home, and he'd say, leave me alone, okay, I was just spying on you.
02:09:19.000The militia is you being armed and having a few of your friends you've known for your lifetime saying, we're not going to a FEMA camp, and if anybody tries to take us and our family, we're going to stick together.
02:10:10.000And I preach it on the air all the time, and I'm one of the few newsletter writers, and your personality on radio, that come out and say such things.
02:10:20.000There's only a handful of people that have got the guts to do it.
02:12:54.000And the Pope is visiting this week and has virtually introduced martial law in Sydney to control the population.
02:13:02.000You're not allowed to wear certain t-shirts in case it upsets people, that type of thing.
02:13:07.000Yeah, they're getting used to no free speech, no nothing, yeah.
02:13:11.000Yeah, so what in effect is happening is that they've got all the procedures now in place, What people don't realize is if they can use the military to control aboriginal settlements, if they can put illegal aliens in detention camps and not provide adequate medical attention for the children, they can do it to anybody.
02:13:32.000No, no, that's absolutely right, sir, and call me back again.
02:13:52.000Yeah, and you can't even take your children to school unless you've been cleared and it's proven you're not a criminal, and very often Uh, they will assign a criminal background to somebody who's not criminal.
02:14:06.000And then you have to go fight them to prove that you are not a criminal.
02:14:10.000Yeah, the government is... It's unbelievable.
02:15:20.000There's so much stuff that is happening right now and people are just sleeping while they should be preparing.
02:15:26.000Last week I just ordered a large stock stack of food for at the food direct dot com and we are just you know i've been busy from two thousand four to prepare a big retreat for people to go away from europe into south africa to live off the grid over there it's something that we've been working off for years and years and finally it seems to give off some fruit and i believe you know that uh...
02:15:55.000iran is going to be bombed I've got some information.
02:16:01.000You know, Bob, I respect you very much.
02:16:04.000Your analysis, I respect it awfully a lot.
02:16:09.000But I do see in Daniel 8 that first Iraq was going to be bombed, and later on Iran will be bombed, and Israel will take much of the brunt of that attack that is yet to come.
02:16:49.000Or they can go to the site theinternationalforecaster.com.
02:16:55.000Bob, I tell you what, you've got about three more minutes.
02:16:57.000Let me hold you through, I mean, into this behind-the-scenes break, but at least folks watching on the web and on TV at PrisonPlanet.tv can hear me go to Peggy.
02:17:05.000We're going to come back in the final segment with a recap of some newly developed financial news.
02:17:10.000The banks, the private Federal Reserve, dumping our tax money in, you're going to fit the bill, can't even prop the stock market up.
02:17:17.000I want to get Bob's take on that and then talk to Peggy for three more minutes, then we'll come back in the final segment.
02:17:23.000Right here on the one, the only GCN Radio Network.
02:19:21.000They just passed a law just a few days ago that the internet was going to be censored, or at least their emails and so on were going to be listened to by the government.
02:22:14.000And I feel good supporting the network, but mainly supporting you folks when you hurt the New World Order and transfer some of your Federal Reserve notes, because you can pull your Federal Reserve notes out of the bank.
02:22:23.000They're just going to devalue there, too.
02:22:28.000It's an amazing feeling the little bit of capital we've got is there to fund the operation.
02:22:33.000That's why I'm rushing to get the cameras, build the stage for the TV show, to spend the money we got from the money bomb before it's devalued the next year and a half.