Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is coming up in 15 minutes. For TV viewers, we just started transmitting, streaming live for Prison Planet members, watching this later as an archive, we had a caller earlier that said, "Well, well, the Federal Reserve rules over us, it's private, but isn't that what the Bible says we should do? I mean, don't stand up against slavery? Don't not take the mercury-filled shots, don t not drink the fluoride-filled water, whatever government says is God's say is God. And I wanted to call my uncle, who is one of the best Bible scholars I know, William Hammond, and have him comment. Butch Paw, who's a talk show host right here on the network, a pastor, and made some documentaries about it, called in.
00:00:07.000Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is coming up in 15 minutes.
00:00:11.000For TV viewers, we just started transmitting, streaming live for PrisonPlanet.tv members.
00:00:18.000Folks watching this later as an archive, we had a caller earlier that said, well the Federal Reserve rules over us, it's private, but isn't that what the Bible says we should do?
00:00:25.000I mean, you know, it's don't stand up against slavery, don't not take the mercury-filled shots, don't not drink the fluoride water, whatever government says is God.
00:00:35.000And I wanted to call my uncle, who's one of the best Bible scholars I know, William Hammond, and have him comment, but Butch Paw, who's a talk show host right here on the network, a pastor, He's also an expert on this and made some documentaries about it, called in.
00:00:48.000So we've got this segment and part of the next before Dr. Roberts comes on, because I wanted to address this now.
00:00:53.000And I wanted to go to my uncle, William.
00:00:57.000Go ahead and just spend a few minutes giving people verses or try to explain to this person that it's... I mean, I'm not even a Bible expert.
00:01:04.000The whole Bible is about standing up against tyranny.
00:01:15.000All through history, both in the Bible and with most theologians, there's been the concept of just war, just resistance, unjust war, unjust resistance.
00:01:26.000And the Word of God is pretty clear that wars, just wars, involve defense, whereas unjust wars and unjust resistance involves aggression or open rebellion for rebellion's sake or for material reasons.
00:01:43.000So, in the Word of God, we see that we're always juggling with this, and we are to obey.
00:01:53.000However, when the government is clearly violating every single tenet of the Word of God, and that which the Constitution and the nation was established upon, right down to our right to life of our unborn babies, and our right to defend our own lives, then we know That we're bumping up against unjust activity and the activities of an aggressor.
00:02:20.000There is a scripture that says at the end in the kingdom that the swords will be beaten into plowshares, but there's also an Old Testament scripture calling for a just war that says, beat your plowshares into swords.
00:02:35.000And Jesus himself said at the very end of his ministry, When he was advising his disciples and his apostles, he said, if you've got two coats, sell one and buy a sword.
00:02:46.000So he recognized that there was going to be terrible resistance to truth and righteousness, and it wasn't to be taken lying down doing nothing.
00:02:55.000Okay, now stop there because I'm going to bring you guys back.
00:02:59.000Well, if you go to 2 Kings chapter 11, you'll find in there very clearly where Jehodeah, the high priest of the day, the preacher, the head preacher, dethroned an unjust leader, a queen, and had her killed for daring to strip authority over righteous government.
00:03:14.000And as your uncle just mentioned, Romans 13 tells us to obey powers, but if you read down in verses 3 and 4, those powers are to be ministers of God to our good.
00:03:27.000The government itself is to be a deacon to glorify God and edify the good of the people.
00:03:32.000If it ceases to do good, it ceases to be righteous government, and then we are required, by God's law and His commandments, to resist that evil by all means necessary.
00:03:43.000And Bush, the whole Bible, I don't know where to start, is about people standing up against evil.
00:03:48.000Again, the whole Bible is written on Nehemiah chapter 4.
00:04:19.000For obeying Caesar or for disobeying Caesar?
00:04:22.000Why did they kill so many of the prophets?
00:04:24.000Why did they do all that if they were to follow and grovel to government?
00:04:27.000And by this extension, the Founding Fathers are bad.
00:04:31.000Fighting Hitler was bad because it's all of God, isn't it?
00:04:34.000Well, if people just take time to look the Bible for what it says and quit trying to weasel away around this, they are accountable for the evil around them.
00:04:43.000If we are not fighting evil, we're not doing the will of our Father.
00:04:47.000Well, you're aiding it and the blood is on your hands.
00:04:49.000I want to talk behind the scenes for the internet listeners right now.
00:04:54.000Guys, I know this is on really short notice, but, I mean, it's crazy.
00:05:07.000All the prophets are being killed, put in prison.
00:05:10.000They're refusing to do what evil kings say in Israel, outside Israel, Babylon, Egypt.
00:05:15.000According to them, they should have done what Pharaoh said.
00:05:19.000They should have done what all of them said.
00:05:22.000Jesus should have done what the high priest and Herod said.
00:05:26.000I mean, this is unbelievable, and it's taught Everywhere, to not even warn people, because that's speaking out against the government, to take your shots, let them kill you, do whatever they say.
00:05:40.000And I'll make one comment, your uncle can talk all he likes to, because this is a point that is so, so important today.
00:05:46.000That if we render to Caesar what is not Caesar's, on my website, PastorButch.com, there's a three hour video, anybody can watch for free, entitled, Render to Caesar Explained.
00:05:57.000If we give unto Him what is not His, we make Caesar our God, we deny our God, and hell is our damnation.
00:06:06.000And going back to my uncle, do you want to make some more comments here?
00:06:11.000Well, not only is the Bible on our side, but history is on our side as believers, because in a practical sense, Christianity would not exist today if no resistance had taken place throughout history.
00:06:25.000Look at what the Romans tried to do to the believers.
00:07:07.000Going back to The Founding Fathers, going back to the Bible, Paul was somebody who hunted down and killed Christians until he got knocked off his horse and became Paul from Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus.
00:07:21.000So there it is that Christians weren't following orders, he was going around hunting them down.
00:07:27.000They were resisting the civil authorities and the church of the day, and the church of the day, very good point, the so-called church, because they would not go along with the customs of the church.
00:08:01.000He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones, on the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:07.000Paul himself was Saul of Tarsus, went around hunting down and killing Christians because they wouldn't submit to the civil or the religious authority.
00:08:14.000And then of course he got knocked off his horse on the way to Damascus, saw the light, was imprisoned.
00:08:24.000My uncle, William Hammond, and of course Basher Butchpaw, Genesis Network host at 8 o'clock at 9 central, I want my uncle to have a two-minute closing comment and then Butch, then we're going to get Dr. Paul Gregg Roberts on right now.
00:08:39.000We were looking at the historical perspective and we've come down to the Inquisition, which was a coldly calculated move for about 800 or 900 years to totally wipe out true Christianity.
00:08:51.000If there had been no resistance, again, Christianity would not exist today.
00:08:55.000And moving to the tyranny of the kings of England, had there been no resistance to the kings, There would have been no America because the people came here to found this place looking for freedom of faith.
00:09:10.000If he had not been, not Martin Luther King, Martin Luther of the Reformation, if Martin Luther had not been backed by the arms of the German princes, there would have been no Reformation.
00:09:21.000It would have been swept away in a few days by the papal armies.
00:09:25.000So there was a lot of resistance there.
00:09:26.000And finally, I'd like to say That when Jesus comes back, and it's very soon, it's at the door, he's not coming back as a lamb.
00:09:34.000He's coming back as a Lion of Judah with 10,000 times 10,000 saints with a mighty sword to wipe out his enemies completely at the Battle of Armageddon.
00:09:47.000I would call that total resistance, wouldn't you, Alex?
00:10:27.000They worship the God of this world and their possession more than they worship the Almighty.
00:10:31.000And I'm telling you again, the damnation is going to be their just reward.
00:10:34.000But again, as I told you a few minutes ago, that in Numbers chapter 1, our forefathers got the idea of a civilian militia.
00:10:41.000The 2nd Amendment was given a constitution for us, for the duty for us to overthrow unrighteous leaders.
00:10:46.000It's our duty, it's not just our right, it's our duty.
00:10:49.000This is a Christian duty to glorify our God all through history.
00:10:54.000All through history, the battle has always been for mankind to overthrow unjust tyrants for the sake of freedom.
00:11:02.000And Christ came to give us all freedom, for where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
00:11:07.000And until we stand, and there's liberty, until we stand for that, as men and women who defy men who try to be gods, we do not deserve freedom.
00:11:25.000And that really is, thank you, that really is the crux of the problem, that you have tens of billions of dollars, 26,000 now, they're done a double that number by next year, FEMA pastors, we told you this one was secret, it's now public, trained to tell their flocks, turn your guns in, go to FEMA camps, let the government take your children.
00:11:43.000I mean, this is right out of Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, and that's why, one of the main reasons we can't get this country moving, Is that the churches are bought and paid for by these corporate interests and are out there spewing the line of this government.
00:12:00.000And I am just completely blown away by it.
00:12:03.000Every time one of those people calls in and says, if you're a Christian, you're supposed to not stand up against tyranny.
00:12:11.000Number one, I had a financial guest on, talking about financial news, and this guy calls in saying, you know, we basically shouldn't even criticize the Federal Reserve.
00:12:37.000I appreciate all the guests moving back ten minutes, because Ron Paul was going to be on earlier.
00:12:40.000He had to move it to the middle of another interview, so that is why we're a little bit behind.
00:12:44.000I'm very honored to have former Wall Street Journal Associate Editor, best-selling author, the father of Reaganomics, head of policy, Department of Treasury.
00:12:53.000That was number two under Ronald Reagan, and syndicated columnist with a great syndicated column group out there.
00:13:00.000You can just simply Google the name Dr. Paul Craig Roberts and see his stuff in hundreds of great publications.
00:13:07.000Liberal, conservative, libertarian, anybody who is informed reads Dr. Roberts' columns that come out several times a week and we link to those over at Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com and his second edition The tyranny of good intentions is out, and I hope everybody will get it.
00:13:23.000And he's with us for the rest of the hour, and we're going to be taking your phone calls at the bottom of the hour at 1-800-259-9231.
00:13:30.000So much has happened since he was last with us a few weeks ago.
00:13:47.000What do you think of all these mainline Christians that call into shows, I'm sure you've heard them, I know you've written about them, saying, do whatever government says, Romans 13, don't fight tyranny, torture's good, kill all the Iraqis, it's of the Lord.
00:14:01.000Now they're getting so crazy, Pastor Hagee saying Jesus isn't even the Savior.
00:14:06.000I mean, I know you don't get into religious stuff, but the point is, it's really getting wacky right now.
00:14:11.000Oh yeah, what passes for evangelical Christianity is a far more barbaric and warlike religion than what they claim Islam is.
00:14:25.000So I see these people as a great threat to humanity.
00:14:57.000In fact, I even heard a guy on the network yesterday on another show saying that Ahmadinejad wants nuclear war, has a bomb, is going to nuke Israel, Israel's defenseless.
00:15:07.000Well, how does he know anything like that?
00:15:09.000He obviously doesn't have any information.
00:15:15.000Pat Robertson got up yesterday, we have the clip, and said they're going to get the A-bomb, Israel has to hit them, it's of the Lord, and this is the same group that lied about Iraq.
00:15:52.000I'm saying, I understand the kingpins are just manipulating their minions and are secular, but my point is, how do they get all these little church ladies to just be complete pea brains?
00:16:58.000Our power is evaporating before our eyes.
00:17:01.000Israel has twice been defeated by the Hezbollah militia, the famed And Marble Israeli Army got its ass kicked twice, driven out of Lebanon by a few thousand militia.
00:18:15.000Well, I don't know if they'll get away with it.
00:18:18.000But I certainly agree that that's what they want to do.
00:18:22.000Your idea, sir, to stop this, is there any way to stop the total destruction of our country?
00:18:30.000Well, I don't think that they're sane.
00:18:35.000I don't think that they live in a factual reality.
00:18:41.000So, I think that if they want to do it bad enough, they'll fool themselves with But they can't.
00:18:51.000But I think it will leave, it will accelerate the collapse of American power and Israeli power.
00:19:00.000And if we think that our invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and the Israeli bombings of the civilian Lebanese population and their murders in Gaza and the West Bank have radicalized Muslims, just wait.
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00:24:02.000And okay, fine, now I'm telling you what's happened to gasoline is happening to food, your grocery bills.
00:25:25.000And it's so hilarious, because these are the guys that can't occupy Baghdad.
00:25:31.000These are the guys that have to allow the Chinese to pay their salaries, and lend us money to pay Social Security wealth, and lend us money to buy fuel for the planes we use to bomb Civilians in the Middle East and Africa and wherever.
00:25:51.000And yet they think they're omnipotent.
00:25:55.000We already decided, didn't we, that they were insane.
00:25:59.000So, of course, that means they're a huge danger to us.
00:26:03.000What is the best course of action to try to stop this from happening, or if it's going to happen, what do you think people should do?
00:26:09.000I don't think people, short of taking up arms and doing what Thomas Jefferson said that we needed to do every 200 years, And of course, he lived in a time of very slow change.
00:26:22.000So 200 years, he would probably shorten that if he was around today.
00:26:28.000Other than, you know, overthrowing the government, starting over, there's nothing we can do because they don't listen to us.
00:28:05.000And the question is how will they view this?
00:28:10.000Do the Russians want radioactivity on their borders?
00:28:15.000Do the Chinese want all their energy investments destroyed in Iran?
00:28:24.000Do the Europeans want this with their large Muslim populations who will probably be radicalized by it?
00:28:34.000And whether or not any of them do anything, and whether they all say, well, look, let's just let the fools go ahead, because this is the best way to get rid of America.
00:28:41.000Well, that's what the Russians are saying.
00:28:45.000Yeah, I think maybe that's... I think that's what the Chinese decided, that rather than interfere and get in a conflict with us that might re-energize us in some other way, They'll just let us go on dry doom.
00:29:02.000You know, nobody tried to stop Hitler from marching into Germany.
00:29:07.000When he did that, the British Churchill said, well, now we've won.
00:29:11.000So, I don't think anybody will stop us in order to save the Iranians, because they haven't got anything against the Iranians, but they've got a lot against us.
00:29:53.000So, I don't think anybody We'll stop us in order to save the Iranians, because they haven't got anything against the Iranians, but they got a lot against us.
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00:33:27.000Really honored that he spent so much time with us and we appreciate that.
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00:35:28.000And before we go back to Dr. Roberts, I do want to then also remind everybody that Dr. Roberts has a best-selling book now in its second edition, The Tyranny of Good Intentions.
00:35:36.000You need to get it to see how they're setting up a total police state here in the United States.
00:36:37.000Because the Federal Reserve is going to supply the liquidity to make whole all of these bad investments.
00:36:48.000And therefore, there's going to be an outpouring of money.
00:36:52.000But it's going to have literally no effect in raising employment.
00:36:57.000So we're going to have high inflation, high unemployment.
00:37:00.000It's going to be a very difficult situation to get out of because the policy levers just don't exist to deal with that kind of catastrophe.
00:37:12.000It's amazing that the government of the United States was capable of producing such an unholy mess.
00:38:41.000We have an infantile public that can't deal with interest rate hikes, or with tariffs, or with other things, or with investment in manufacturing.
00:39:04.000The government is going to pay its bills by printing money.
00:39:10.000This great unipower will disappear off the face of the earth really quick.
00:39:16.000People have no idea how vulnerable we are.
00:39:18.000You know, the United States trade deficit is larger than the combined trade deficits of every other country in the world that's in deficit position.
00:40:31.000So now we're going to start giving them, instead of giving them seven, eight hundred billion dollars a year of what we have, A trillion dollars.
00:40:37.000That's our companies, you know, all the natural resources, we're selling the toll roads to them, so they get the revenues from toll roads, the real estate, anything we can offer them.
00:41:30.000Last question, we're going to go to calls.
00:41:33.000They are announcing, and it's in the housing bill, and I've got the bill right here, we had Ron Paul on about it today, that every credit card transaction will instantly be uploaded to the IRS.
00:41:43.000Major gas companies, ABC News reports, are going to make you register with a credit card to be able to buy gas, to track everything you're doing.
00:41:50.000They're hiring more police, more checkpoints, more tickets.
00:42:02.000Government is just, as you know, tripled in the last eight years.
00:42:05.000It just seems to be about to divide again and get even bigger like a bacterial infection.
00:42:11.000and they just seem to just giggle and laugh and put black uniforms on and wave tasers at us and put up more cameras and just cackle and put skulls on the sides of police armored vehicles.
00:42:23.000I mean, it seems like total mental meltdown.
00:42:26.000It appears like when cancer is racing through the body right before death.
00:43:10.000uh... credit card business and and all of them purchases going to the government and investing every child is born by child protect what is the point of all this?
00:45:07.000They attract people that want to abuse people, but they ain't got enough guts to go join the Marines and actually have to go somewhere and get shot back at.
00:45:16.000So they like to have power where their victims are powerless.
00:46:07.000I'm calling because I heard, I just checked out this guy named Jeff Rents last night, and he had a guy named Benjamin Fulford, and he's some big-wig Forbes guy or something.
00:46:18.000Yeah, talking about how the Asian elites are sick of the New World Order and done with us.
00:46:25.000They're ready to die on August 8th if they don't calm down.
00:46:28.000Yeah, I don't know about that, but Fulford did write for Forbes and he says that the Asian Mafia, which is basically the heads of the Chinese and Japanese governments, are threatening the New World Order.
00:46:40.000That's speculative, so we don't go there, but Dr. Roberts, we know in reality the Chinese and others are saying that they're dumb of all this.
00:46:49.000Yeah, I think they're dumb of all this, but they're the rising powers.
00:46:53.000Yeah, they don't need to act like a bunch.
00:47:34.000On this guy that thinks he follows the Christian attitude, The second commandment says, make no image of heaven or earth or bound down to it.
00:48:01.000We shouldn't be attacking people with no provocation.
00:48:04.000What I want to ask you guys though is Explain to everybody out there what it means when it says that those are with Israel, God is with them, those are against Israel, God is against them.
00:49:02.000Did any of you guys see that speech by George Bush that he addressed?
00:49:06.000He was actually addressing the nation and he more or less informed us that our country wasn't going to be the industrial power that it used to be.
00:49:16.000We're moving toward data processing and service-oriented industries.
00:49:33.000Dr. Roberts, you know, thinks that they just are a bunch of idiots, and I agree they are delusional, but they're engineering this.
00:49:39.000I mean, they know what they're doing, don't they, Dr. Roberts?
00:49:42.000It's not just manufacturing jobs, either.
00:49:46.000It's all the data processing jobs, all the computer software jobs.
00:49:51.000It's any A job that's tradable, that is, that doesn't have to be done hands-on, like a barber or a dentist or awaiting a table or fixing a drink.
00:50:05.000The reason they're doing it is because it dramatically lowers their cost of production and they then can pay themselves a multi-million dollar It's a short-term thing for them, but does destroy the goose that lays the golden eggs.
00:50:27.000What happens when China calls in their loans?
00:50:30.000What happens when they stop taking American dollars?
00:50:34.000The government can't pay its bills any longer.
00:51:20.000And what we mustn't overlook, though, is the United States is no longer the powerhouse that they think it is.
00:51:29.000Well, like you said, this isn't like a man who beats his wife every night with a tire iron, and she's finally leaving, and he really tries to intimidate her when she's got everything loaded up, and he pulls a gun out and threatens to shoot her.
00:51:41.000I mean, I think we've gotten to that point.
00:52:29.000I just wanted to call in and make the point, it's funny how the people that are saying that you should follow the government and do whatever they say, they say follow those laws, are the same ones that actually reject the laws of God, but they say you've got to follow man's laws, but don't follow God's laws.
00:53:03.000And I saw him partying, and I saw him with the hookers next door, and I saw him with all the... And I'd see him on TV the next, you know, the next day on Sunday on Dallas television.
00:53:16.000Well, listen, I think on the whole, the question is open whether or not there is a Christian religion.
00:53:25.000Maybe there's still something left in the Catholic Church.
00:53:28.000I think the Protestant Church has blown it.
00:53:32.000By the Catholics, you mean at least they're still against abortion?
00:53:35.000Well, I think they still believe that people have souls and that the purpose of religion is to save a soul.
00:53:44.000And I guess the church has been against the war, too, so that's a... Generally, they are against destruction of human life, whether it's war, abortion, capital punishment.
00:53:55.000They think life is something God gives.
00:54:00.000He ran his hands down over and pulled the pants down.
00:54:01.000We're into the final last few minutes now here, ladies and gentlemen.
00:54:06.000John, were you able to find that little sub clip of that ABC News piece where they're going after the World War II vets and the 15-year-old girls and then beating their chest, screaming, I have power, I have power.
00:56:06.000That's exactly what they should have done.
00:56:08.000They ought to pull these people, and they ought to strip them off.
00:56:15.000And when the cops come, they ought to turn over their cars and do the same thing to them.
00:56:19.000Until the people start standing up for themselves and realize that they're dealing with a bunch of fascist thugs.
00:56:26.000Well, you know, the Communist Chinese, their population is revolting and taking over cities every week, and they try to cover it out in the news, but the Chinese have a lot more spirit than we do.
00:57:39.000We're going into very bad waters here, but a lot of people are waking up and we can say no to this.
00:57:46.000We got a bunch of sick social engineers doing all this by design, bringing us into a global crisis by design, and we had to learn to say no.
00:57:55.000I don't think my mother's ever called the office in a decade plus of a radio show, said, wish your uncle a happy birthday, because he was on the show earlier today.