Webster Griffin Tarpley joins Alex Jones to discuss his new book, Obama: The Postmodern Coup . The postmodern coup is an attempt to delegitimize Barack Obama s campaign and force him to concede defeat to John McCain in the Democratic primary.
00:00:08.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:12.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:26.000For the next hour and 15 minutes, roughly, we'll be joined by Webster Griffin Tarbley.
00:00:32.000He wrote the first major definitive work, unauthorized biography, back in the early 90s on George Herbert Walker Bush.
00:00:39.000I have researched everything in that book and followed up and did even expanded research with more modern information.
00:00:44.000In my film in 2004, Martial Law, 9-1-1, Rise of the Police State, When BBC and then others after that did report indeed that Prescott Bush was the head Nazi in the United States.
00:01:02.000And I really respect Webster Tarpoli's fine work.
00:01:05.000Of course, his book covers more than just that.
00:01:10.000He also has a free version up on the web at his website.
00:01:12.000The new book, Obama, the Postmodern Coup, is a very interesting book and I certainly Respect Webster Griffin Tarpley's perspective and view on that, and I think it's important to read this book.
00:01:26.000That's why we're offering it almost out of print.
00:01:29.000The second edition is about to come out, but we have just a few hundred of these.
00:01:32.000I believe it's publishers now sold out.
00:01:34.000We have some of the only copies of this at InfoWars.com.
00:01:37.000Obama and the Postmodern Coup, Webster Griffin Tarpley.
00:01:41.000That said, I want to not just discuss Barack Obama's background and the time we have.
00:01:46.000We're going to do that But I suggest you get the book.
00:01:48.000But also, at a certain point it becomes academic.
00:01:52.000I mean, Hillary represents the exact same people.
00:01:55.000John McCain now has Zbigniew Brzezinski's son advising it on foreign policy.
00:02:07.000Now, at least on the surface, they have kicked Zbigniew Brzezinski off of his foreign policy advisory panel, Barack Obama's, but it doesn't matter.
00:02:16.000The whole same crew, as Dartley points out, that wants to attack Russia, that wants to attack other countries in Central Asia, That wants to move nuclear weapons back into Europe and point them at the Russians.
00:02:28.000I mean, everything he's saying is true.
00:02:30.000My only difference is perspective on this.
00:02:33.000It almost lends credibility to the whole election process when you're talking about Barack Obama versus Hillary and now it's Barack Obama versus John McCain.
00:02:46.000It's like a Don King fight where he owns both the fighters and you know it's going to be rigged.
00:02:52.000Either way, and then you've got all these neocons on Fox saying, oh, Israel is going to attack before the election to get John McCain elected.
00:03:51.000And I'm delighted to have this discussion.
00:03:55.000I would say, first of all, we have to look at ourselves like a naval battle.
00:03:59.000We're confronting a hostile fleet, and you've got to concentrate your fire on the flagship of the hostile fleet rather than just scattering fire.
00:04:07.000In every direction, and I think if you turn on the television for ten minutes, there is no doubt that Obama is the candidate favored by the controlled corporate media.
00:04:28.000He doesn't know what he's talking about.
00:04:30.000I know a lot of high school seniors in government class that can speak more eloquently than him, and that is upsetting to me.
00:04:36.000You're exactly right, but the choice that's being made is of course being made by Wall Street, and it's being made by our old friends, the Trilateral, Rockefeller, Bilderberger, Council on Foreign Relations, Rand Corporation, Chicago Schools, Skull and Bones, Ford Foundation, you name it.
00:04:53.000They have all lined up behind Obama in a way that is unprecedented.
00:04:57.000You've got a unified oligarchical front now around Obama.
00:05:30.000He's somebody who's been raised literally up out of nothing by these trilateral people.
00:05:35.000My personal hypothesis is that Obama was recruited by Zbigniew Brzezinski at Columbia University between 1981 And 1983, they had just finished up with Carter.
00:05:47.000You'll remember that Zbigniew Brzezinski and Volker ran the catastrophic Carter administration.
00:05:52.000And then they pinned it all on him when he was well-meaning.
00:05:56.000Yes, and that's also an aspect of why they've chosen Obama, because Obama's not well-meaning.
00:06:02.000But back there in Colombia in 81 to 83, they were looking around for a puppet, a Manchurian candidate, assets, and of course they had a broad choice.
00:06:12.000Didn't have to be just Obama, they picked others.
00:06:15.000uh... to to deploy into a uh... political upsurge in this country uh... approximately now two thousand and eight two thousand and ten two thousand and twenty and obama was one of the political properties that they picked up so they have been grooming him and indoctrinating him by the way i'm backing you up dr dennis cuddy has done a whole book on all these famous people when they're in college they'll be in the lunch line and david rockefeller will be there are some big numbers and she'll be there henry kissinger they go pick who they want
00:06:45.000And that, I think, that is my thesis, is that that's what happened with Obama, and therefore all the wonderful coincidences and magic events of his life are guided by that fine trilateral hand behind the scenes.
00:06:57.000But now, ultimately, why do they need him today?
00:07:00.000The entire phase of Islamofascism, war on terror, post 9-11, I believe is exhausted.
00:07:07.000I think they've gone into a new phase.
00:07:09.000The fake environmental Malthusian, the Russians are a threat.
00:07:13.000Yes, it's Russia, China, Malthusian, Unabomber kind of stuff, but then it's also human rights, humanitarian concerns, and left cover.
00:07:22.000We're going from a phase of right-wing cover imperialism to a phase of left-wing cover imperialism.
00:07:27.000This is why so many of our left-liberal friends have not been able to understand this, because they regard all of this as progress.
00:07:34.000They think that it's By the way, the Romans would do this in their different protectorates and new places they'd taken over.
00:07:43.000They would put a thug in for 5-10 years to murder, kill, stab, then they would publicly flog him, execute him, apologize, and then rise up somebody from that local area in Germania or Gaul or there in Excellent!
00:08:00.000And in the case of Brzezinski, you can say this is the Hegelian dialectic.
00:08:02.000areas and then they would raise up a local who on the surface would act like he was friendly to people but it would actually intensify taxation and control.
00:08:11.000Excellent and in the case of Brzezinski you can say this is the Hegelian dialectic.
00:08:16.000This is one of those cases where you can actually see the Hegelian dialectic at work.
00:08:20.000Brzezinski's teacher is a guy called Carl Friedrichs.
00:08:24.000So he has a degree in Hegelian Dialectic?
00:09:14.000It's the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
00:09:17.000You smash those, you've guaranteed U.S.-British world domination for another century, so get busy doing that, and forget the attack on Iran.
00:09:27.000I believe there will be no attack on Iran.
00:09:29.000There have been ultimatums delivered to the Israelis.
00:09:31.000Well, why did you previously believe that there would be?
00:09:34.000I think we came very close, and the closest we came was last August with the Rogue B-52.
00:09:40.000There was an attempt by the Cheney gang last August to actually hijack A B-52 intercontinental bomber.
00:09:47.000They flew it from North Dakota to Louisiana.
00:09:50.000They were going to fly that to the Middle East.
00:09:51.000And it had six cruise missiles on it, loaded with nukes.
00:09:54.000And this was going to take part in the attack on Israel that took place on September 6th.
00:09:59.000However, it was stopped on the ground and as that question went up the chain of command, And began to interest the intelligence agencies.
00:10:06.000The word came down, no, no, no, no, no!
00:10:10.000And that, I believe, that was the last gasp from Bush and Cheney.
00:10:12.000And then we see a string of reports by the CIA and Defense Intelligence saying it's all lies, Iran's not a threat.
00:10:19.000But you're saying you don't think Israel's going to wildcard?
00:10:22.000Because they're certainly setting up the propaganda front right now.
00:10:25.000No, I think a lot of that is disinformation.
00:10:27.000The attack that you have to worry about that's going on right now There's another country, three times bigger than Iran, with nuclear weapons that is being attacked.
00:10:36.000It's Pakistan, and I believe there will be a U.S., uh, NATO and Afghan land invasion of northwest Pakistan.
00:10:42.000Now, the difference, though, is there's a different... And they've been downlighting, they've been preparing the ground on that.
00:10:47.000The, the difference is that now the target list is, how do you weaken Russia, how do you weaken China, how do you strip away Chinese allies and Chinese strategic partners?
00:10:57.000That means Pakistan is at the top of the list.
00:11:00.000Not for this idiotic al-Qaeda bin Laden fairytale that we've already refuted and you've refuted so many times.
00:11:07.000But now it's the question of Pakistan.
00:11:09.000Yeah, that's just a rubric, boogeyman cover.
00:11:53.000He's the author of The Obama Postmodern Coup.
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00:15:57.000Man thinks, cause he rules at us, he can do with it as he please.
00:16:05.000And if things don't change soon He will For a man has invented his doom First step was touching the moon Now there's a woman on my block She'll just sit there as the night grows still She'll say, who's gonna take away his license
00:16:39.000Look, the reason I saw the elite, the Fox News type people having fundraisers for her quietly, Rush Limbaugh trying to make sure that she won, really pushing for that, as the major power structure of the neocons being behind Hillary.
00:17:01.000And I said that she was going to be the person that won.
00:17:04.000I said five years ago you'd hear Limbaugh endorse her.
00:17:19.000To hold Hillary out and to say, well, we're attacking the main capital ship here in the Infowar, I just say it's all a latrine.
00:17:26.000There are all different things floating around in there and I'm not going to say go for either one of them because it's that lesser of evils thing.
00:19:30.000They say we're in favor of attacking Sudan.
00:19:32.000The goal of that, of course, is to cut off 7% of the Chinese oil.
00:19:35.000They're in favor of attacking Burma, a Chinese ally.
00:19:38.000They think it's fine to go after Pakistan because they don't like Musharraf.
00:19:46.000And global taxation paid directly to the private banks, making them truly governmental for the first time, with their own armies, intelligence agencies, and mercenaries.
00:19:53.000They say, oh, Bush is against the global warming tax, so the left all gets behind it.
00:19:57.000And now, oh, Bush is against attacking North Africa, which he's been gearing up and wanting to do, but because he publicly says he's against it, now the left supports it.
00:20:04.000I mean, this is, please don't throw me in the briar patch, base psychology.
00:20:08.000Yeah, the problem here is you can get the left liberals for all of these policies.
00:20:12.000So, the one side of it is Obama is the face of imperialism.
00:20:17.000Obama represents a facelift for U.S.-British imperialism in places like Africa.
00:20:22.000The second thing is, in terms of potential for strike-breaking, austerity, cutting the living standard, And this kind of thing on the internal front, he has left cover.
00:20:32.000He can say, I'm going to break your strike.
00:20:35.000And he's been saying that we have to lower our standards and, quote, sacrifice for the New World Order.
00:20:40.000I mean, I totally agree with you on all of this.
00:20:43.000That particular quotation, the stuff about you can't have SUVs, you can't eat as much as you want, you can't have the temperature set where you want, that comes directly out of Brzezinski's book, Second Chance.
00:20:54.000That's a translation into slogans of about two pages.
00:20:57.000In there where Brzezinski argues against the U.S.
00:21:00.000way of life, it's not attractive to other countries.
00:21:02.000But now, here's the biggest consideration of all.
00:21:08.000Is it simply a top-down phenomenon where you have a Bush-Cheney police state where it gets more and more oppressive and more and more wiretaps and more and more snooping and opening the mail?
00:22:34.000In other words, when you look at things like Al Gore's Green Army Obama's Green Corps, Obama's Homeland Security Corps, Obama's volunteer programs, All of this gives you the idea of a private army.
00:22:48.000In other words, an extra-legal force of goons, thugs, criminals, but also fervently idealistic.
00:22:57.000A la Hitler, a la Stalin, a la Mao Zedong and his youth brigades.
00:23:02.000I would urge people to look at the young Mussolini.
00:23:05.000I think that's a good, clear-cut example.
00:23:09.000Well, Al Duce was the groundbreaker, the trailblazer.
00:23:16.000Between 1919 and 1922, the idea of having a movement.
00:23:20.000Now remember... And the march on Rome.
00:23:21.000And Mussolini, of course... And so they come in with Obama, and then capture the popular rage in a false revolution against tyranny, truly bringing in official tyranny.
00:23:32.000Yes, basically, you go to fascism as a ruling elite, you go to fascism when police repression doesn't work anymore, when the army is unreliable, you've got to organize the population to crush itself.
00:23:45.000And for that you need a plausible demagogue, you need somebody with this messianic, utopian rhetoric.
00:23:55.000applied by the island and it's mostly look at muslim he was a radical socialist he was a revolutionary so uh... formidable that lemon praised him and when you look at the foundation of italian fascism you've got people like uh...
00:24:09.000trade union militants disgruntled war veterans artists and intellectuals and these socialists and left this to have been outraged by bush are now driven into the arms uh... this corporate crafted uh... monster Right.
00:24:25.000And again, Obama has this, nobody else has it.
00:24:28.000Bush does not have a fascist mass movement.
00:24:30.000You can imagine Bush making a balcony speech a la Mussolini, or Bush making a Nuremberg rally Speech in the stadium.
00:25:45.000As you look at his advisors, his policies, his plans, million man armed youth brigades, environmental brigades, tie them with Al Gore endorsing him.
00:25:56.000Tattletale squads, youth brigades, the war on terror will continue, but overlaid with a new quote environmentalism, people slashing SUV tires.
00:26:05.000It's all intensifying right now towards the movement of Barack Obama.
00:26:10.000The essence of a top-down dictatorship is what you've seen, right?
00:26:17.000Fascism is a gang of goons who are probably environmentalists at this point, decide that you're a polluter, and they come and burn you out and beat you up or kill you.
00:26:33.000There are these things by Naomi Wolf, I think her name is.
00:26:37.000There's a guy called Britt who does The ten ways you can tell if you're in fascism.
00:26:42.000What they all leave out is the mass movement.
00:26:44.000The grassroots, bottom-up, left-cover, radical-cover, anti-establishment, anti-authoritarian movement, which is the essence of fascism.
00:26:54.000Otherwise, you don't need a new term for fascism.
00:26:57.000Why do you have to coin this in the 1920s?
00:26:59.000Dictatorships, of course, have been around for a long time.
00:27:03.000The young Mussolini between 1919 and 1922 put together a movement of radical revolutionary socialists who were interventionists in World War I. They wanted war.
00:27:13.000That's one possible difference, although it's not as big a difference as you might think.
00:27:18.000Artists, intellectuals, people who were disgruntled war veterans, people who were coming out of the labor movement, extremely militant trade union activists.
00:27:29.000And you put that all together under breakdown crisis conditions of depression, and of course that's what we've got now, this then becomes a messianic, fascist-style movement.
00:27:41.000Now, the way in which they've done it today is according to a cookbook.
00:27:45.000The cookbook is the Brzezinski-Soros National Endowment for Democracy.
00:27:50.000It's what they did in Georgia in the Roses Revolution in Tbilisi, or in Kiev in the Ukraine with the Orange Revolution.
00:27:58.000At the end of 2004, you get a telegenic demagogue, you get lots of money, lots of narcotics, you get renter mobs and duper mobs of fervently idealistic, swarming adolescent students and other people who just don't know what they're doing, you get a media swoon, you get media whores all over the place, bought and paid for, you get fake polling, and then you get slogans, colors, a process of branding.
00:28:26.000This stuff typically comes out of the National Endowment for Democracy, the Albert Einstein Institute, and a guy called Gene Sharp in Cambridge, Massachusetts, along with an army colonel who works with him.
00:28:39.000So they've perfected this for use in the former Soviet space.
00:28:43.000Now, what happened at the beginning of this year was the model of the People Power Coup, or CIA Color Revolution, Was brought home into the United States, and that is what allowed Obama to get this insurmountable lead by gaming the crazy rules of the Democratic Party.
00:28:59.000But again, focus on the mass movement.
00:29:02.000Fascism is worse than a reactionary government.
00:29:06.000People who lived through 1922 in Italy, the seizure of power by Mussolini, or the 1933 seizure of power by Hitler, There is just no comparison between some bourgeois government, no matter how corrupt, how repressive, how bellicose.
00:29:22.000Because it runs out of gas very soon and then collapses back.
00:29:28.000But a fascist system is like a wildfire with 50 mile an hour winds.
00:29:33.000When things is a tinderbox, it just feeds itself and exponentially grows.
00:29:37.000Yes, and of course, ultimately, after the fascists seize power, they then proceed to destroy all the resistance institutions in the society.
00:29:45.000They go around, and again, smash you if they decide you're a polluter, or if you're a, you know, you're not appreciating Barkey Obama enough, they come after you, they beat you up, they harass you.
00:29:57.000It's going on on the internet right now.
00:30:15.000Now, there'll come a time when that goes into the streets.
00:30:18.000And these... Well, they've also announced in Canada, England, Australia, France, that they're now going directly to shutting off the old web and just not... These are the ISPs, major ones, not letting you get on the web anymore and only letting you go to sites they want.
00:30:52.000I'm just saying, I'm not voting for either one, we need to expose both of them, because if you go to the left and say Barack Obama's bad, and lay all this stuff out that you're saying that's true tarpley, I'm talking about psychology here, then they're going to go, oh my God, you're for John McCain.
00:31:05.000You're going to first go to them and say, John McCain's the new world order, John McCain represents the neocons, and Israel...
00:31:11.000And hold on, and hold on, and then you've got the Rockefeller power axis through Brzezinski with this demagogue.
00:31:18.000Barack Obama, and then as long as you explain that both of them are bad, then they go, oh I see, but if you aggress and attack their demagogue just on the face and say McCain's better, you have just actually energized, through the left-right paradigm mechanism, what's been ingrained in people, Barack Obama.
00:32:48.000Well, you know, it would be nice to be able to stop Obama in some ideal way.
00:32:52.000But in the real world that we have now, You've got to say, the only way to do it is 175 delegates shift out of the Obama column and into the Hillary Clinton column.
00:33:02.000But Hillary politically doesn't have the will to do that and would be destroyed by the media if she tries.
00:33:08.000That's perfectly plausible, but I think this is worth a try.
00:33:12.000And then you've got a lame duck Hillary and a lame duck, I mean obviously, 9% approval rating for the Congress, the elite knows the system's discredited, both parties are discredited, they've got to give you a new brown face to confuse everybody, oh look it's changed, he's a black guy, and I certainly see what they're doing, and they've even said, pundits have said, this will bring people back into government, back to the table, back believing in the system, Then there'll be another revolution in the next four years against his socialism as it'll be built.
00:33:41.000Then you'll get a new right-wing government, which I think is the real final plan.
00:33:45.000I think ultimately, and this is that you're right, because that's what Samuel Huntington has been writing over the years, eventually what you'll get after that is a right-wing fascism that will look much more like what people think of as the Hitler regime.
00:33:57.000But in the meantime, look, the thing with Mrs. Clinton is simply this.
00:34:13.000She would actually be more independent than any of the three.
00:34:17.000McCain is somebody who can be controlled through rage states.
00:34:20.000This is how they controlled Harry Truman.
00:34:22.000Obama, we've seen it, he's a complete puppet.
00:34:25.000Mrs. Clinton was already less of a puppet to begin with because of a sense of personal identity drawn from the years in the White House and the things that she's done.
00:34:33.000She is part of the establishment, of course, which that means she's established.
00:34:37.000She's not some nobody from nowhere, some barky who or Jimmy who that the Trilateral Commission has brought forward.
00:34:44.000You could argue that when Clinton got to Washington in 1992, he was a puppet of Pamela Churchill Harriman.
00:34:50.000And her group, the Democrats for the 1980s.
00:34:54.000So these people have taken on something of a life of their own by winning elections and so forth.
00:34:59.000The thing with Mrs. Clinton is... I mean, come on, the Clintons were CIA being handled going back to the London office by Cord Meyer in the 60s.
00:35:07.000Sure, but again, that's neither here nor there right now.
00:35:10.000These are people who have made their own way, and you know, Cord Meyer is also long gone.
00:35:14.000So, those control mechanisms... No, I'm just saying, where they came from is directly out of the military industrial complex, dropping as a false left, little black hole to suck everybody into.
00:35:44.000But I haven't really talked to you in about a year.
00:35:47.000After those speeches you gave in Canada, what was one in Calgary, and some other ones saying Ron Paul is a fascist, run by fascists, they're planning on... No, no, no, I got the clips!
00:36:14.000This is ancient history now, but here's the thing.
00:36:17.000Ron Paul was useful in the sense of having a Republican saying that he was against the Iraq War.
00:36:22.000In other words, having a wrecking ball inside the Republican debates was a good thing.
00:36:28.000Now we have a world economic breakdown crisis.
00:36:30.000The kind of economics that Ron Paul represents is straight Milton Friedman, Chicago school, I would call it, well, Herbert Hoover economics.
00:36:41.000No, what it is, is classical economics we've had, and it's the Austrian School of Economics.
00:37:24.000I mean, right now, I'm asking you why you said that instead of ducking it.
00:37:28.000Because I think that if Ron Paul ever got into power, this would be a disaster.
00:37:33.000I think on the other hand, Ron Paul as a protest vote is a fine thing.
00:37:36.000Wait a minute, you said it was anti-Mexican, racist, and that that's what was supporting him, and a bunch of other... He went very far into mexophobia, certainly, and I think that's...
00:38:41.000Let's compare this to Jeremiah Wright.
00:38:43.000Everybody thought Jeremiah Wright, Obama's preacher.
00:38:48.000Now, the theology of Jeremiah Wright and his entire mindset Yeah, they wanted to radicalize blacks to make them violent so that they couldn't do what Gandhi did.
00:39:12.000I'd have to look at... Tarpley, you said it on your radio show on this network with everyone tearing their hair out and letting you, leaving you alone to do it over and over again.
00:39:20.000You know full well, just don't insult my intelligence.
00:39:23.000I like you, Tarpley, but don't insult my intelligence.
00:39:26.000I want you to answer for what you said about Dr. Paul because I know he's a good man!
00:39:31.000Well, as an individual, I suppose he's a good man.
00:39:34.000But, obviously, there was a great disappointment with 9-11 Truth, for example.
00:39:38.000He said that he was in favor of 9-11 Truth, and he went on television, and he repudiated 9-11 Truth, and he said it was preposterous, and he told us to stop doing it because it was an embarrassment to him.
00:39:51.000Okay, so, you know, good man, but a human being just like everybody else.
00:39:54.000But that doesn't mean the fascists are behind him.
00:39:56.000It doesn't mean he wants to throw Mexicans into wells.
00:39:59.000Again, fascists, I don't know why this comes in, but the point is, the Ford Foundation, in addition to creating organizations in the black community, like Jeremiah Wright, in addition to creating similar organizations in every ethnic group, The Ford Foundation has created these crazy Mexican groups like Aztlan, the group that puts out the map that all the Southwest is going to be annexed to Mexico.
00:40:26.000That is a pure foundation-funded provocation.
00:40:31.000And instead of responding to that at that level, it would be important, first of all, to continuously denounce the fact that this is the Ford Foundation and its associated foundations.
00:40:40.000And secondly, try to organize those Mexicans yourself.
00:40:44.000In other words, try to offer them some kind of a united front where they'd be fighting for something worthwhile.
00:40:50.000Because what they don't get out of this Aztlan nonsense is they don't get a minimum wage, they don't get a decent...
00:41:01.000uses a steam valve to stop true revolution reform in Mexico.
00:41:05.000All I want is to understand why you were saying these things, because I agree with everything you just said right there, Webster.
00:41:11.000If you want to help me, send me a transcript or send me a recording of what I said, and I'll be glad to comment on it.
00:41:16.000You know what, I'm going to pull it up here in just a minute, but go ahead.
00:41:19.000But I don't have it at the top of my head.
00:41:21.000Anyway, the point was, That that kind of Herbert Hoover economics is exactly what you don't need.
00:41:26.000In other words, if you say today, under this condition, we have a dollar crisis, we have the death agony of a dollar, we have a banking panic going on, we have dollar hyperinflation, we have a systemic breakdown crisis of the entire system.
00:41:39.000If you say under these conditions, I want the market, this means death on a huge scale.
00:41:46.000The only possible policy under these conditions is To try to get control of the federal government and use it against Wall Street.
00:41:52.000Because if you don't do that, Wall Street will take control of the federal government.
00:41:55.000They're gonna lose you, they're gonna suck your eye, they're gonna give us no quarter.
00:41:59.000So I would say to Ron Paul, stop attacking the government, start attacking Wall Street.
00:42:16.000He showed the people swimming across the Rio Grande, and this was his first TV ad, and I thought that was just... That was not his first TV ad.
00:42:24.000And it's a major issue to energize this campaign and it's a good issue.
00:42:30.000Well, I don't think it's a good issue, and I think it didn't prove to be a good issue.
00:42:34.000People thought it would be a good issue, and I think this was wrong.
00:42:36.000The media that's for Barack Obama was against Ron Paul.
00:42:40.000And so that's more proof he was the man.
00:43:56.000So, Ron Paul, I don't think would support that, because that would be big government, from his point of view.
00:44:00.000You should outlaw foreclosures for five years of the duration of the crisis, of homes, farms, businesses, and everything else that's useful economically.
00:44:10.000You should outlaw adjustable-rate mortgages.
00:44:14.000The current crisis that's going on is a crisis of one quadrillion dollars of derivatives And there is no way out of that unless you simply wipe them out.
00:45:29.000And if it's a quadrillion dollars of derivatives, and maybe two-thirds of that in the U.S., say $650 trillion, If you take one percent of that, you get 6.5 trillion of tax revenue.
00:45:41.000That would go a long way towards guaranteeing the permanent future of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the entire social safety net, which I think are absolutely indispensable.
00:45:51.000Ron Paul thinks that these are things to get rid of.
00:47:27.000One is the Chicago corruption, Resco, Ouchi, Al-Samari, the three Levantines, the three Syrian or Iraqi Arabs that are behind him.
00:47:37.000And these are all three convicted felons, all three embezzlers on a grand scale, millions and millions, hundreds of millions of dollars in some cases.
00:47:47.000Secondly, the Weathermen terrorists, the bombers, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dorn, and a whole creek of other unreconstructed, unrepentant weathermen who are part of his machine.
00:48:06.000Third level is this, what I call the Ford Foundation Church of the Final Counterinsurgency.
00:48:11.000In other words, Trinity United Church of Christ, Jeremiah Wright, Dwight Hopkins, a Ford Foundation fellow, Otis Moss III, another Ford Foundation grant recipient, James Cone.
00:48:23.000That is this black liberation theology, which is essentially a doctrine of of hatred and to perpetuate racial conflict rather than to get rid of it another level larry sinclair And Donald Young.
00:48:36.000Donald Young, the choir master of that church, found dead right before Christmas of last year.
00:48:42.000He was the gay choir master in Wright's Church.
00:48:45.000Larry Sinclair is a gay man who said that he had a homosexual encounter twice with Obama in 1999, with Obama using crack cocaine.
00:48:55.000I would urge people to look into Larry Sinclair, his allegations.
00:48:59.000It's been up on the internet since the middle of January.
00:49:02.000Millions and millions of hits on that.
00:49:04.000He gave a press conference here at the National Press Club and was then arrested.
00:49:08.000Arrested on a warrant signed by Beau Biden, the Attorney General of Delaware, son of Joe Biden, the Senator who's trying to become either Vice President... And it turned out it was fake, yeah.
00:49:19.000It's trumped up charges, but they're continuing to persecute him.
00:49:23.000Larry Sinclair is in danger and he deserves the support of people who don't want to have a presidential campaign under Gestapo conditions.
00:49:30.000Another layer, Ilya Sakhmatov is a Chechen ambassador of the Chechen terrorist group.
00:49:36.000They've killed more than a thousand people.
00:49:39.000Ilya Sakhmatov is living here in Washington at U.S.
00:49:41.000government expense, taxpayer expense, He gets an apartment, a secretary, an office, a travel budget, a PR budget, and a nice stipend that most people could not afford.
00:49:51.000And the reason he's here is because Big New Brzezinski lobbied, because Big New Brzezinski is so consumed by hatred of Russia that he wants Akhmadov here.
00:50:00.000And then we have this Get Whitey tape, the famous Hate Whitey tape by Michelle Obama, which is clearly in the air and is likely to be brought out after the Democratic Convention is over.
00:50:12.000I would just say to the people on the Republican side, don't be like that Japanese admiral at the Battle of Midway trying to get everything perfect before you launch the attack, because you may get hit first, as the Eliot Spitzer case shows.
00:53:29.000It's a comic book called Agent Orange.
00:53:31.000It's an attack on Prince Bernard, the founder of the Bilderberger Group, showing Bernard as an SA, stormtrooper, and otherwise, you know, Nazi, back in the 1920s and 30s.
00:53:43.000So, the guy's got some pretty good things going in his publishing house.
00:53:47.000So, maybe you need to get into the book dimension in addition to everything else.
00:53:53.000I did put Dissent and Deterrenting out, and we are working on a book right now, 1984-1776 is the name of it, and it's basically an overview of everything we do and what our philosophy is, so that's a good idea.
00:54:04.000Let's cover any other issues you think are important, Webster, before we take calls.
00:54:10.000Just one more, just so people can keep on top of it.
00:54:13.000The face of false flag terrorism in the future, right?
00:54:16.000Again, I don't think it's going to be Islamic fundamentalist anymore.
00:54:20.000The only place they use Islamic fundamentalism now is to invade Northwest Pakistan.
00:54:26.000But let me just tick off a bunch of faces, and then you can put together the composite of the next false flag.
00:54:33.000One of the reasons the ruling elite wants Obama is they think with Obama, you could do false flag again, because Obama could say it, and then they would believe it.
00:54:42.000Whereas if McCain or Hillary said it, they wouldn't believe it.
00:54:45.000And that was in the Atlantic Monthly from Andrew Sullivan.
00:54:51.000Ecological terrorism, Earth First, this kind of stuff.
00:54:54.000Secondly, the guy that I just mentioned, Ilyas Akhmedov, as a figure for Chechen terrorism, and of course it's not just Chechen terrorism against the Russians, but it's every little group, the Basques, the Kurds, it's every group that wants This is Brzezinski's slogan, is that everybody deserves a mini-state or a micro-state, according to their own personal characteristics.
00:55:18.000And that, of course, means the balkanization of the world, so that JPMorgan Chase and ExxonMobil can run wild.
00:55:57.000He's a Korean shooter right next door.
00:56:00.000A Chinese who's crazy and who's shooting.
00:56:03.000Another one, Litvinenko, Litvinenko of the KGB, remember him, the radiological terrorism case in London, so a Russian with nuclear terrorism.
00:56:15.000And then finally this FARC, right, the Betancourt, they did a whole media circus around This guerrilla movement supported to some degree by Venezuela, or at least verbally, that operates inside Colombia.
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01:00:36.000I'm watching some clips during the breaks, but I did identify and find that.
01:00:39.000But I can understand his fears and looking for the establishment, trying to find some popular movement to hijack, but that certainly wasn't Ron Paul.
01:00:49.000That certainly wasn't what we saw there, and that was clear to me, and I think he's been very, very healthy for the planet and for people out there to think and understand the Federal Reserve is not their friend, the inflation tax, everything that's happening.
01:01:02.000I want to go to Peggy Lynn, Don, Nina, and others here in a moment.
01:01:05.000Webster, in the 15 minutes or so we have left, or 14 minutes we have left with you, but In closing, what do you think is going to happen with the economy?
01:01:16.000What are the bankers that own the planet planning to do with that?
01:01:19.000We know it's a carbon tax paid directly to them and some other things, but I want Webster Tarpley's take on that.
01:01:24.000Well, the Obama program, as he suggested in that no SUVs, no eating as much as you want, no setting the temperature where you want, is going to be extreme austerity, but with left cover.
01:01:37.000For the polar bears to save the planet, global warming, this entire demagogic package of Al Gore and And Prince Charles.
01:01:45.000So he'll be demanding global austerity for global warming.
01:01:50.000By the way, let me just show people this.
01:02:18.000living standard is already down 60% from the LBJ period approximately.
01:02:23.000And now they'd like to cut that in half again under the auspices now of left cover.
01:02:29.000If there's a strike wave, they want Obama in the White House to be able to break A nationwide strike wave or general strike, which might well emerge.
01:02:38.000And on the global scale, it's the same thing.
01:02:41.000Now, none of this will make any difference, because remember, what's coming down is one thousand trillion of derivatives.
01:02:47.000One quadrillion of derivatives have gone into reverse leverage.
01:02:50.000And the total crisis, according to other economists we talked to, is six thousand trillion.
01:03:22.000Well, I've had a lot of different guests on saying the total amount of debt packages, credit cards, mortgages, all the different types of derivatives and leveraging out there, they say it's around $6,000 trillion.
01:03:40.000They say with just derivatives alone, certain types, we're at $1,000.
01:03:46.000Well, this obviously is a black hole that can consume the Earth, because the total value of the planet Earth and everything in it, at current rates, is about 100 trillion at the very most.
01:03:56.000So 6,000 trillion, you can see you're just out of the ballpark.
01:04:00.000There is no way to use austerity to prop up these bankrupt structures.
01:04:05.000No, they're just preparing us to be slaves.
01:04:25.000He's the ability to carry out austerity and strike-breaking on the home front.
01:04:29.000If you defeat Obama, you will have defeated the entire banking establishment and the controlled corporate media.
01:04:35.000That would then lead to an open field Period.
01:04:38.000Again, if it were McCain, it would be a period of intense fighting and gridlock between the Congress and the President, which would be ideal for radicalizing things, in my view, in a New Deal direction, so that you'd get powerful measures for economic recovery that cannot be this free market stuff, but have to be powerful state interventions to get things going again.
01:05:01.000In other words, what worked In the 1930s and what would work again is distinct from, well, Bush.
01:05:06.000Bush is a reincarnation of Herbert Hoover.
01:09:12.000Yeah, my whole issue is that this is a show, a platform for you, the listeners, and our guests, and I take a call and it's You know, we know who she is.
01:09:45.000Nope, he just said, thank you, please hold, I'll put you through.
01:09:48.000Now I'm tired of being accused of this, go ahead.
01:09:50.000At no point have you screened my numbers, you know, and that woman, she seems to me, she could not be specific about anything, you know, and I find the people I'm fighting with up here, same thing, they hit you with a bunch of things, and I think just trying to make... What's happening is, some of the zombies are being woken up, and I'm not trying to be mean to this lady, but I mean others, and they know the government's bad now, but then they can't tell what else is going on.
01:10:36.000Yeah, I was just going to say, you know, you're always talking about the police and, you know, the fact they're not educated properly and dangerous here and dangerous there.
01:10:44.000No one ever talks about a group of people, like up here in Canada, we've got them.
01:10:48.000It's a private corporation and they now have police powers and they're very, very anti-public, like very, very anti-the people.
01:11:14.000Why are they supporting groups who couldn't care less?
01:11:17.000They've devastated people here in Ontario.
01:11:18.000Well, they'll use something that sounds reasonable like animals to get you in the process of tattling and spying, then they move it over into regular spying.
01:11:26.000Again, I think that the big danger right now is this idea of grassroots movements around extreme ecology, animal rights, anything like this.
01:11:35.000This can become the breeding ground for the next generation of false flags.
01:11:38.000Folks, the book is Obama, the Postmodern Coup.
01:11:52.000I've got a key Willie Nelson announcement and then Mark Hornke.
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01:17:26.000And on air he said, OK, let's look at seeing if we can do it.
01:17:29.000And Willie isn't somebody who, I mean, everything you've heard about him is really the way he is.
01:17:35.000I mean, somebody can drive by and flip him off and throw something in his car and he'll say, well, that fellow's having a bad day.
01:17:41.000I mean, he's really just smooth, great guy.
01:17:44.000And he's been anti-establishment for a long time, but I've now learned for ten years he's been listening to the show, watching the TV show in Austin, he lives here most of the year in Hawaii, the rest of it, and really woke up to the New World Order.
01:17:56.000And then I was having an event a few I guess about eight months ago, when Endgame came out, and all of a sudden people said, Willie Nelson's here!
01:18:05.000And all of a sudden Willie Nelson walked around the back counter where I was signing DVDs and shook my hand and said, I really appreciate the great job you're doing.
01:18:12.000And I gave him my info, he gave me his, and he said, I'll be talking to you.
01:18:16.000A few months later he called me and then was a guest on the show and the rest is history.
01:18:19.000But to make a long story short, I started talking to him Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
01:18:31.000and uh... it is going to be a free event it is going to be free a free Willie Nelson event And he is basically, I said, hey, you're the boss, you tell me what to do or you have somebody else do it and I'll try to, you know, raise the money for the free event or whatever.
01:20:10.000Ventura going public for 9-11 Truth here.
01:20:12.000You may see some other big people go public for 9-11 Truth at this.
01:20:16.000It's going to be about 80% don't attack Iran, don't take us into World War III, but it's also going to be 9-11 Truth when you've got a Ventura and some other surprise guests that are going to be coming.
01:20:44.000So folks, you better understand that you're going to have to get bussed in or something to this, because this sucker's capacity is exactly $60,000.
01:25:06.000We are in process of developing a whole series of techniques which will enable the controlling oligarchy to get people actually to love their servitude.
01:25:22.000People can be made to enjoy a state of affairs which By any decent standard, they ought not to enjoy.
01:25:31.000Perhaps you had better start from the beginning.
01:25:44.000Too many kids are what's making planet worse.
01:25:51.000A lot of these kids come from bad gene pools.
01:25:53.000They don't have stable parents making good decisions.
01:25:58.000Mercury-containing vaccines may help not harm kids, according to two new studies in the journal Pediatric.
01:26:04.000These new studies suggest that the opposite, that the preservatives may actually be associated with improved behavior and mental performance.
01:26:11.000Fluoride in water is supposed to fight tooth decay, but could it also cause cancer?
01:26:16.000Turns out the government had the right, under U.S.
01:26:19.000law, to conduct secret testing on the American public under a specific condition.
01:26:23.000We're gonna have to work with dark side, or we're gonna spend time in the shadows.
01:26:27.000Any attempt to achieve world order must be the work of the devil.
01:27:28.000So whoever puts a YouTube together, my earlier announcement, make sure that it's on there.
01:27:32.000That's why this stuff just makes me pull my hair out, because that's why I don't even subconsciously want to do things like this, because then I have to worry about making sure it comes off right.
01:27:40.000We were just playing Walter Cronkite, calling for world government and saying he sits at the right hand of Satan.
01:27:45.000These people are in your face, another Bohemian Grove member.
01:28:05.000I've interviewed him so many times over the years, going back into the mid-90s.
01:28:09.000And then when he got back out of prison being set up now, I said, Try to set him up for tomorrow.
01:28:14.000Well, they were able to get him before he left town.
01:28:16.000He's with us for the rest of this hour.
01:28:17.000And we're going to go into overdrive today.
01:28:19.000We're on AM and FM right now, but in about 25 minutes, the main transmission will end.
01:28:23.000But we'll do about 20 minutes of overdrive.
01:28:25.000I'd do 5 hours of overdrive if Corky could do it.
01:28:27.000Also, I have to deal with this concert and about 10 other insane things that are going on right now.
01:28:35.000So as we try to Finally nailed down this concert that's going on, and I want it to be free, they want it to be free too, but who knows what's going to happen here when you're dealing with superstars like this.
01:28:46.000But getting into the whole geopolitical realm, Mark Kornke, in studio with us.
01:28:53.000You know what, it's always fun to be down here, because down here in Texas we know it's the big state, and it's got big hearts, and we've got big hospitality.
01:29:00.000That's exactly what we've seen all the while we've been here.
01:29:27.000What has it been like in your life when she woke up to the New World Order in the late 80s and now, you know, being one of the leaders of the re-founding of the Patriot community exploding in the 90s, being sent to prison on trumped-up charges with the police on their own squad car running off the road.
01:29:42.000I mean, it's been quite a saga for you and I think it's just beginning.
01:29:46.000Well, we've actually been very, very busy, as you know, and as you get into this, you find out there's so much more to do, and that's exciting in and of itself, because you get a chance to meet all the people that are out there, and there's a lot of people, like you said, that have been in this before us, that passed the torch on, and we're now doing the job that they did at one time.
01:30:04.000In fact, they didn't have the tools we have.
01:30:07.000Look at the great trinkets we have to work with, that way they get the word out.
01:30:10.000In the past, remember, it used to be, would you like to see a mimeograph?
01:30:15.000document, State Department document 7277.
01:30:17.000Right, exactly, and it would be the one thing that they had to work with.
01:30:20.000Today, we have virtually every media tool at our disposal that our enemy hoped to manipulate and control.
01:30:26.000And our enemy was in the old mindset where they could go to a world governance conference and where all these world leaders and Walter Cronkite could call for world government.
01:30:33.000Now we can go get those old tapes and string 20 of them together with Prime Ministers and leaders calling for it and saying, oh, that doesn't exist.
01:30:39.000Or we can, through Judicial Watch, go sue and get North American Union documents.
01:30:43.000In the past we did that, but you said to hand them out.
01:30:47.000And the other fascinating thing is, don't forget that while Walter was telling you all about certain things from one direction, he's also the right hand of Satan!
01:31:08.000So, do you think, when people use certain words, especially when you see a statement made like that, even if he was trying to work off the cuff, that inventory, that process that he used that became a public statement, was sitting somewhere in his subconscious in some way.
01:31:22.000He didn't just pull that out of his back pocket.
01:31:26.000Usually that represents or demonstrates a mindset, a track, an ideology, a school of thought.
01:31:33.000And when you capture it like that, they figure it's a nano-moment that will never be captured and brought back again.
01:31:42.000Now we brought it back from the end of the future.
01:31:45.000And that's one of the things for a lot of your listeners right now.
01:31:47.000There's a lot of new people that are out there listening maybe for the first time.
01:31:51.000But let's say that they've gotten to the internet because they're retired.
01:31:55.000Now, you're listening out there right now and you have a collection of beta tapes, or VHS tapes, or you were in an industry where you even saved part of what you did reel-to-reel.
01:32:07.000There are old files sitting there where people are listening, and when you hear what you hear on the programming like this during the breaks or when we come back... It hits a tumbler.
01:33:06.000You can stop the motion so that you allow your enemy to move into a position where you can attack them better.
01:33:12.000If you fail to move, and they're on the offensive, you simply become enveloped and overrun.
01:33:17.000Well, in this case, the whole idea, there's a lot of people out there with all this cool technology that they may have used in the past, and they're thinking, well, it's obsolete!
01:33:26.000You have sound bites and you have bits of information and evidence that incriminate and demonstrate over and over again the true culpability of an enemy that we've been facing off and successfully working against.
01:33:37.000Think about what we've done in the last 20 years.
01:33:39.000Think about what we've done in the last 10 years.
01:33:41.000And again, look at the personalities that are coming forward, just like you've described in the program here, that are actually able to lever many, many other people.
01:34:02.000The old formula was, if they got four letters on a subject, they knew that so many hundred thousand people were actually thinking the same thoughts.
01:34:09.000In every situation, just like with these personalities, if you're affecting one or two people that will more than willingly come forward and express their position, That means that there are hundreds if not thousands of others that, given that final push, become part of the wave that supports your effort.
01:34:26.000And that's what's happening right now.
01:36:04.000Well, actually, again, we have the sliding timeline.
01:36:06.000Number one is we have Jorge Bush, the second, the best president Mexico has probably ever had, and will.
01:36:14.000We have perhaps a person who's looking to create a duchy out of Texas and the southwestern United States if he would just let the timeline go the way it is.
01:36:21.000However, as again we're seeing, there are obviously enough people involved in government that are concerned with the idea that somebody wants to be expeditionary before he leaves office.
01:36:46.000Well, now that we're in it, we can't back out!
01:36:49.000Now, getting us into Iran, especially being a... Isn't he a lame duck?
01:36:54.000That would be one option, but here's the problem.
01:36:56.000What if... Instead of being a lame duck, he becomes a lion?
01:37:00.000And decides to grab hold of the meat and stick.
01:37:04.000And that's the most realistic scenario.
01:37:05.000Between a combination of an attack inside the United States, a 9-11 type scenario, which everybody's been talking about, and an attack on Iran, which of course would be an aggressive, a war of aggression, just like the first war of aggression we've been in with Iraq.
01:37:19.000You're going to see a situation where there will be greater and greater response from outside the United States and the international community.
01:37:25.000Now, there's two attitudes, and we've already heard this, and you're seeing this.
01:37:28.000We need to take Americans to the international court.
01:37:31.000Now, I understand that that sounds good.
01:37:35.000They have all this tyranny, and then the EU keeps ruling for liberty, but inside the EU it's total tyranny.
01:37:40.000They're only setting the precedent in people's minds that that's the court of justice.
01:37:44.000And then all of a sudden we go to a higher tier, alien to the United States, outside American jurisprudence.
01:37:50.000And so it's, for them, their perception is one way or another they can make this a win-win.
01:37:54.000In other words, how do you take and turn a, you know, a mud pie into a, you know, something edible?
01:38:00.000You have to, you know, one way or another, even though it looks bad for us, for them, they're directing the actions in such a way that if we decided that we're going to, well we can't really deal with this in the American system, we'll take him to the world court.
01:38:12.000Taking them to the world court means that we then have no... I mean, what's the appeals process for this?
01:38:18.000And how do you control or regulate a process that is so far away from the people that there is no control or regulation?
01:38:25.000That once, as we've already seen with centralized American government, If you let all the power gravitate to a position so far away you can't see what's going on, the scallywags gravitate there, how can anybody with any intelligence argue that the United Nations, the World Court, and all of these other structures, who would answer now to no one, wouldn't gravitate to the exact same policy that we are already complaining about with Washington?
01:38:51.000Clinton's so evil, Bush is going to come in and save us.
01:38:53.000Clinton's been so bad, now Bush is the savior.
01:38:57.000And then, okay, we get George Bush, and now he's been really bad, so Barack Obama is going to save us.
01:39:03.000And it's the same left-right paradigm, or Tory versus Labor, where they control both sides.
01:39:08.000And I know this is simple to the listeners, but the general public doesn't understand this.
01:39:12.000It's literally just a new sheet of paper for the birdcage liner, and then after four to eight years, they remove that piece Or be it six years in England or whatever, and they just remove it.
01:39:22.000Same thing in Israel, same thing in Germany.
01:39:24.000We have to get back to basic issues to try to explain this to the public.
01:39:30.000But, you know, a lot of people thought Bill Clinton was going to go for martial law because we saw the plans, the executive orders, the gear up.
01:39:45.000But you're saying you think there's a lot of evidence that it may happen now.
01:39:48.000Well, that's the first window, is there's a sliding scale.
01:39:51.000If Bush decides to make the effort to do this, the problem that we have is how many people, for instance, in the military would actually go along with it.
01:39:58.000Well, if there's a terror attack, even if people are awake, it tends to make a lot of people who are on the fence go ahead and get in line.
01:40:04.000The way that this would have to be done is, from the military perspective, and other people who are in agencies, even, who do not go along with or agree with what's happening, There would have to be a very quick containment bubble to restrict it from expanding into the crisis mode, which is what they want.
01:40:18.000And by the way, this isn't a radical thing we're saying under Nixon.
01:40:22.000The military and others, it was publicly said, and Congress said, do not launch any military operations, do not stage any events.
01:40:35.000Operation Northwood, which goes back before Nixon.
01:40:38.000And Kennedy said no, and they killed him.
01:40:40.000And that's where, again, now when people ask, well, why would they have said that to Nixon?
01:40:45.000Inside the system, they already understood, because of the documents that now have been declassified, they knew within the system that that was a possibility.
01:41:08.000Now again, we had those warnings, those leaks slipping out there.
01:41:11.000Somebody declassified Operation Northwoods when it wasn't supposed to be declassified, slipping things out.
01:41:16.000So we have a lot of friends inside the government.
01:41:19.000The system understands that this scenario, if it's played out, if you're an analyst of any kind, if you're a person working within the system in any way with authority or with responsibility, That you can walk through step-by-step to see the end result.
01:41:33.000And it's so obvious now, it goes back to H.G.
01:41:35.000Wells, what he stated in The Open Conspiracy.
01:41:39.000He said, at a given point, it would become so obvious that it would be impossible to hide the agenda.
01:41:45.000And that at that point, it would be the most dangerous for the Ringknockers, for the, you know, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderbergers, whoever, the Bilderbergs, in that what would happen is all of their actions could be seen by even the most naive of individuals, or at least they would ask questions.
01:41:59.000The problem is that they're not all-powerful.
01:42:01.000This is what people make a mistake on.
01:42:02.000They want everybody to believe that, but that goes back to the basic rules of warfare, be it European philosophy or Asian, that the basic rule is to convince your enemy that the war is lost before the first arrow has left the bow, as you said, Sun Tzu.
01:42:14.000But we're going to go to break and come back with a final main transmission, and then do 20 minutes if you can do it.
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01:42:26.000But you're absolutely right about that, Mark.
01:42:29.000So we'll come back and get more into those issues with Mark Kornke.
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01:45:49.000again call 1-800-340-7091 for all your cleaning needs final segment the main radio broadcast with mark hornkey who's here in town and It's great to be able to meet him in person.
01:46:17.000All these years talking to him over the telephone or on the radio.
01:46:23.000We're going to have him on with us for 20 minutes.
01:46:26.000That's the 3.20 Central Standard Time.
01:46:29.000In fact, I'm going to give you my local studio number for anybody that wants to call in and talk to Mark in that commercial-free segment.
01:46:37.000Then on the web, the rebroadcast will begin from the first three and a half hours of the show with Lindsey Williams.
01:46:45.000We have back on today Dr. Stan Monteith, Webster Griffin Tarpley, and of course Steve Watson as well.
01:46:51.000And that's the issues I wanted to bring up to you, Mark.
01:47:28.000It was very messy, very stinky, but he took the plastic bag off and look what he discovered!
01:47:32.000When in reality what we see is, and they don't expect this to happen, is for everybody to be able to demonstrate a coordinated effort by a series of individuals who supposedly are disassociated.
01:47:43.000Remember, they'll say, I don't know who that guy is.
01:47:45.000Well, wait a minute, okay, the exact same thing that you just proposed here in the United States, this shyster over in England just dropped in everybody's lap.
01:47:53.000And in Australia, they're telling him a new law, four minute showers.
01:47:56.000I mean, it's just all about, we control the resources.
01:47:59.000Except, you know, and there again, what's fascinating about that is, and again, purely control.
01:48:05.000When you look at the changing technologies, When you have all the conservation and recycling systems in place, why would you have to take a four-minute shower?
01:48:14.000The system, for instance, understanding organic... Well, they're not doing any of the real good environmental stuff.
01:48:18.000It's purely designed to get you into the nutcase scenario of being a plebe, you know, being a slave, being a peon.
01:48:23.000Otherwise, think about it, with closed system technologies, I got into this years ago, back in the seventies... Well, I told you this was going to be a rationing car.
01:49:07.000It's a playbook when you read the website.
01:49:09.000Except that an interesting thing, years ago, my father had to take some additional college classes.
01:49:13.000He worked as an apparatus supervisor in designing equipment for the fire department that he worked for.
01:49:20.000And one of the things back in the 70s that came up with these honest college professors who were talking about engineering and also economics, they said, chances are, and this was said, I had a class in Eastern Michigan.
01:49:32.000He took a class in Eastern Michigan with a totally different professor.
01:49:36.000They said, chances are, within a very short period of time here, we're going to have a war waged against us, and we're going to have to fight, and we're going to have to kill the ecologists, the eco-freaks.
01:49:47.000Because what's going to happen is, they're going to deem, and he said, watch how this works.
01:49:51.000They understand it's about getting control of resources.
01:51:44.000We wouldn't have known for two or three months, maybe a year.
01:51:47.000Before we found out that, hey, somewhere in an English paper, the London Times or whatever, somebody finally looked on page C14 and lo and behold, here's the exact same thing that was being talked about on the exact same day somewhere in the United States.
01:52:00.000The advantage that we have right now is that the information base and the data systems involved are just as much in our command as it is with the enemy.
01:52:08.000In fact, more so because their assumption, and for whatever reason, remember, we got the thinkers, they got the stinkers, We're in a situation where we're able to cross-collate and reference.
01:52:17.000The other side seems to assume, and because of the people they chose, they're in a very narrow band.
01:52:22.000These people are not the swiftest, you know, they're not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
01:52:41.000When you create a police state, Just like big government, specific criminal minds will gravitate to those positions or control freaks.
01:52:52.000And what happens is they may give them another... there's two elements.
01:52:55.000One are the zealots who don't care about who they hurt, what's going to happen, because they're into the groove with that.
01:53:01.000On the other side you have Those who literally just would like to hurt people or are into the power factor and they're the ones from the other direction that know they can manipulate the first group and utilize them completely.
01:53:13.000So they're the minority in both cases.
01:54:16.000I mean, I kind of somewhat thought this myself, that people who were in Hollywood floated on clouds, or that elites were smarter than I was.
01:54:23.000Only now, as I, you know, got more prominent and got involved and learned more, I realized, no, that a lot of the people aren't even as smart as I am, and I don't think I'm that smart.
01:54:37.000The biggest problem they've got is... Our movement, so many people have it in their minds that we're beautiful losers and that we can't win.
01:54:44.000And they freak out when we start winning thinking it's some type of sellout.
01:55:36.000At a given point, you're going to have to go in and get dirty.
01:55:39.000In order to make that toilet work again, you're going to have to go in.
01:55:42.000Somebody is going to have to go in and clean things up so that the toilet works again.
01:55:47.000Now, you can either turn your nose to it and start using a five-gallon bucket out behind the house and figure, well, we'll just shut the door on that bathroom.
01:55:54.000Or you can enjoy indoor plumbing and civilization by cleaning up the mess.
01:56:02.000And that means you don't negotiate with a backed up toilet.
01:56:05.000That means that basically you get the plunger and you stomp its hind end.
01:56:16.000We have a conflict, but my point is we have exposed them, we have politically damaged them, and I thank God it hasn't turned into a shooting war.
01:56:24.000Well, in a way, to a degree, the problem with that is we have been successful and we must acknowledge our successes, but we probably would have been better off in a war in 1995.
01:56:32.000Because with each step we're going to have a deeper conflict.
01:56:51.000I think we have more resources now than they did.
01:56:53.000Exactly, but that's where we get down to the whole argument for years of what's called a battlefield on gimbals.
01:56:58.000In other words, both sides are moving towards each other.
01:57:03.000The battlefield changes depending upon the amount of weight that moves the pivoting gimballed wall, but at a given point, somebody is going to make contact and come head-to-head.
01:57:19.000And again, here, if you look at what we're seeing right now, let me point this out.
01:57:23.000Well, of course, in England, my personal attitude with them is that unless they turn around and basically ban it, whoever's there right now pushing this program, how are you going to get rid of a bunch of sycophants that are raised as nutcases from youth?
01:57:34.000A bunch of little spies on power trips.
01:57:35.000In fact, what this is, is these are the interior police.
01:57:39.000What I've argued for years, and I will do it again... In KVD.
01:57:42.000In Russia, you don't see Hollywood doing any movies about communist Russia.
01:57:46.000You can talk about Germany until you're blue in the face, Before World War II, during World War II, and after World War II, Joseph Stalin killed approximately 100 million people between Georgia, the Ukraine, the Stans, and God knows how many other places.
01:57:58.000We can go right on down the shopping list.
01:58:00.000Hollywood won't make movies about that, because Hollywood liked that.
01:58:07.000And because Hollywood was part of that.
01:58:13.000Germany in 1945, while Hitler was dust in Berlin.
01:58:17.000Ten years later, Joseph Stalin was still butchering people with reckless abandon, and Holly Weird... And now it's come out, what we always told people, the CIA section chief, I'll never forget about it, seven, eight years ago, on History Channel, and it's now been declassified, and David Rockefeller's written about it in the New York Times and in his books.
01:58:34.000They put Mao in, and he killed, their government says 60 million in official Chinese records, And we know it's more like 85.
01:58:41.000Even the Cultural Revolution in the first year killed 15.5 million acknowledged through intelligence sources in the day.
01:59:37.000Yeah, now here's a way for people to understand that.
01:59:39.000I want you to go to the west side of this city, and I want you to imagine walking from one side of this city to the next, and everywhere you go where a person was standing, they are now laying dead.
01:59:51.000Every man, every woman, every child, the cats, the dogs, they'd kill everything and anything if they felt it would empower them in some way.
02:00:01.000Now you're not talking one time Austin, you're talking in Michigan for instance, walking from the upper peninsula to the bottom of the state with nothing but death before you.
02:00:12.000Now I better, you better all ask this real quick of every American out there, is what do you want of this country?
02:00:19.000And here's the thing, do you think you're going to ride this storm out and duck this?
02:00:24.000The agenda that's being presented... By the way, a lot of you are serving it.
02:00:27.000Mainline conservatives giggling and laughing.
02:00:29.000I saw an ad on Drudge, a t-shirt saying, I love waterboarding, I'd rather be waterboarding.
02:00:35.000If they can do that to somebody else, that's a set of precedent.
02:00:37.000They want to do that to you, you little fools.
02:00:39.000You own some property, you own some land, you've licked their boots well, you're going to be the first going in the ground.
02:00:44.000Yes, in fact you're the first on the menu because you're the easiest one to grab.
02:00:47.000That's one of the things that happened with the Cultural Revolution in China.
02:01:01.000And Zbigniew Brzezinski engineered that and brags about it.
02:01:03.000And in fact the very voice you hear here with Henry Kissinger, that is one of the demons who absolutely helped to engineer it because he empowered Zbigniew Brzezinski and many others.
02:01:23.000We're talking inside the United States on a scale that most people, that's what bends their mind, is the idea that they have to look at this realistically.
02:01:34.000If we go by the litmus test of history, the scale of history, we have demonstrations over and over again of what socialism does.
02:01:42.000And if you look at Chinese model versus Russian model versus Ukraine, other places, we're talking, they're probably planning on killing In the entire multi-phase program, what, 60, 70 million?
02:02:11.000Everybody listening walks out and takes their moose and just walks away from the war.
02:02:16.000There are not enough moose to go around.
02:02:21.000The black uniformed or blue beret moose are simply not in sufficient numbers.
02:02:28.000You don't have to even fight the whole war.
02:02:30.000If you went out and just plugged one and let it sit there and twitch...
02:02:34.000And strip it for whatever's there, what would they do?
02:02:38.000See, what Alexander Solzhenitsyn said, Oh, how we burned in the camps, knowing full well that we had had nothing to lose.
02:02:47.000And if we had waited when the mass arrests began, with cudgels and sharp objects, the wretched machine for lack of operatives would have ground to a halt.
02:03:00.000So here again, people, what have you got to lose?
02:03:07.000There's this war, and it is going to be a war, and it would be nice to say that it would be peaceful, but it's not going to be because you're dealing with an animal that is a vicious leg-biter.
02:03:15.000You ever tried to argue with a dog that's a biter?
02:03:18.000There isn't a whole lot of arguing you can do.
02:03:20.000You either, A, shoot it, or have a really good 2x4 and smack it side the head and keep her down.
02:03:26.000Of course, you can cage it, which would be really good.
02:03:28.000It's first containment is a nice idea.
02:03:30.000Usually the owner does that, by the way, if he's smart.
02:03:33.000But in this case, you're the owner of these dogs.
02:03:36.000They plan on just simply letting them run the town.
02:04:18.000I just want you to look at my face and remember who I am because if I'm in uniform when this starts, the first thing that's disappearing is the uniform and I'm going to be with my family and we're already armed and we're with you.
02:04:28.000And the reason they say that is because their perception is that they would like everybody to understand they're not part of this, and they won't participate.
02:04:37.000And I can say this, but I cannot mention names.
02:04:39.000I have watched this happen in the last year.
02:04:42.000They've already tried to orchestrate something else.
02:05:01.000There are many people, and they will tell you the same thing, that they are expecting to fight because the rabid ones that are chosen for authority Are not the thinking ones.
02:05:11.000You have to get outside this box that you're going to negotiate with a backed-up toilet.
02:05:15.000The backed-up toilet, in fact, this one has wheels.
02:05:18.000It plans on being rolled down through your neighborhood, okay?
02:05:28.000Now, we are going to, we do get to choose.
02:05:31.000One of the mistakes made here is, I will ask again, I want somebody to go to the National Archives and I want them to show me the vote that took us into the American Revolution.
02:05:41.000The American Revolution started on April 19, 1775.
02:05:43.000I want you to show me the ballot box and I want you to show me the counting of the votes.
02:05:48.000No, it started when they started shooting at each other.
02:05:51.000It started when one man said, you know what, I've been out here seven times, Paul made his right, he told everybody to get up, we all got up, the British came out, the cowards ran.
02:05:59.000They came out, and eventually, remember when the American Revolution started, the British had to sneak out of Boston.
02:06:06.000The Patriot movement was watching everything that they were doing.
02:06:09.000The counties knew that when they moved, they had to mobilize the militias.
02:06:13.000And it was made up of all of the people.
02:06:14.000And each time they went out, and they stopped.
02:06:25.000They were afraid of the people because there weren't enough moose.
02:06:29.000Finally, on April 19th, somebody got stupid.
02:06:31.000They figured, well, we just got to press the envelope.
02:06:33.000One man, probably on our side, probably a 20-year veteran of the French and Indian Wars, said, I'm 62 years old and I ain't getting any younger and I'm not going to do this anymore.
02:06:43.000And he voted with a one-ounce chunk of lead.
02:06:46.000The lead was cast as a, well, residing vote or resounding vote.
02:06:50.000It was placed in the red coat ballot box.
02:06:54.000And then the red coats cast a whole bunch of ballots, the patriots cast a whole bunch of ballots, and the militia withdrew from the election, so to speak, for a little bit of time and ran across the fields out of Lexington proper.
02:07:07.000The British collected themselves went to look for another voting process at Concord and they found out that they were on the losing side and the number of votes cast were in favor of the Patriot effort and the largest military force on the planet backed by a navy.
02:07:20.000And that's the problem with this lawless government and all of its crimes is it is pushing everyone into a Law of the Jungle scenario where the cartridge box is now the ballot box.
02:09:00.000I think that if there's a, and again this was planned on for, let's see, we knew as of November of 1994 that in March, from March 21st to March 23rd of 1995 they were planning mass arrests of patriots across the United States.
02:09:14.000So you got on air and said they were planning to stage a terror attack?
02:09:16.000We told everybody about it and said, this is before Oklahoma City.
02:09:19.000Remember, that would have been the premise for the government doing the bombing and saying the Patriots did it.
02:09:23.000Now the problem is that Oklahoma City happened in a vacuum.
02:09:26.000Because we flat out said, here's how it's going to work.
02:09:28.000If anybody is picked up, if you try to grab a whole bunch of people, you will die.
02:09:33.000I looked right at one person and said, what do you think is going to happen?
02:09:35.000I said, the only thing you need to bring is a whole hell of a lot of body bags because ain't nobody going to put up with it and you're going to end up with a whole lot of dead people.
02:09:42.000So you're the ones that are going to be at fault for starting this thing, not us, because nobody's going to put up with this anymore.
02:09:48.000That started in 1988 with the ATF and a series of abuses that went on for five years before Ruby Ridge, where they killed women, they killed men, they attacked people.
02:10:21.000I think they were looking to start a fight.
02:10:22.000No, they were looking to show you that they could kick rumpus and take names.
02:10:27.000And the logic there was to also puff up the infantry that are doing the job because secret... Give them a few victories shooting up churches.
02:10:32.000Secret police have to... I mean, they have no... They gotta have blood.
02:10:47.000When you attack a church with grandmas, grandpas, women and children and all the working men away, that's what savages do.
02:10:52.000They wait until the men were in the field and then they attack the fortress or they attack the town.
02:10:55.000The Indians would always attack when the men were in the fields or working because they'd be away from the treasure.
02:11:01.000That's exactly what the savages did at Waco the exact same way.
02:11:05.000And everybody saw it on national television and it still failed because what it did is it demonstrated what we tried to explain to everybody behind the scenes long before I did American Peril.
02:11:43.000The enemy is in trouble because of that.
02:11:45.000Because there's not, first not a lot of this... Now all of this puffing and blustering and black uniforms and festoon with medals is an attempt to intimidate like a beaten wife back into submission.
02:11:56.000One of the things I have is a pair of scissors I carry in my combat equipment.
02:12:30.000That's the attitude everybody's got to have.
02:12:31.000And then again, the other subtle thing, because they're cowards, they are not brave people.
02:12:34.000To beat up on Alex by himself on a road in a dark alley, or anybody that we know, that's not an act of a man, one-on-one, that's the act of cowards who, of course, work in packs, when they have to deal with free men and women who stand the line, and in the light of day.
02:12:52.000Well, I don't want people to know they have strength and power and the enemy is weak.
02:12:57.000And we need to pray for peace, prepare for war, and we need to prepare to protect our families because there's no doubt this government is completely illegitimate and completely criminal.
02:13:05.000At least be ready to feed yourself and take care of yourself.
02:13:06.000And Mark, I have to say that you have a lot of courage to say the things you say.
02:13:09.000I truly have weighed things and I try, my job is to wake up as many as I can, to energize as many people as I can, just as you have done and been successful at.
02:13:21.000And to just let people know the nature of their enemy so they can make the decisions about what they're going to do.
02:14:30.000You were incarcerated for seven years, Mark, and I believe the main reason you were able to get through that is because you had the unbelievable support of your wife?
02:15:11.000I would actually like to send you the info, Mark.
02:15:13.000Maybe you could help me out with that.
02:15:14.000By the way, you can go to Type Mark Horky on YouTube.
02:15:17.000It's one of the hundreds of videos, if you can find it quick, where you can see the squad car video.
02:15:21.000Back before YouTube, we aired it on AXS TV, when they were setting you up, and it was the cops were chasing you, and they run you off the road and charge you.
02:16:38.000Well, we're right here, standing in the bank window, and he went right out the front door, and across the street, and over to the Sheriff's Department.
02:16:46.000And it goes dead quiet on the other end.
02:16:49.000Now, he then walked across the street, goes to the Dairy Queen, which is only from the distance of here to that store across the street from your office here, and meets with the duty sergeant for the Sheriff's Department.
02:17:00.000And then suddenly everybody's after Mark Hornky.
02:17:01.000And this is the actual bank robber who absconded with, went into the bank, and took the money.
02:17:06.000And this guy, by the way, looks nothing like you.
02:18:35.000Mark, I just want to let you know I've got all your old tapes that you put out, and I was saying that, you know, my father told me a long time ago, like back in the 70s, he asked me, you know, do you believe everything the government tells you?
02:18:54.000And I just, you know, said, Oh, 75% bull.
02:18:57.000And that's when he told me, he goes, you know, son, that you always going to have to fight for your freedom.
02:19:05.000And then that's when he told me that one day you might have to.
02:19:11.000So I think you're right that people should be getting ready because they've been at this a long time.
02:19:16.000I mean, when they're openly recording the kids to be secret police, I mean, it's just... And they won't be just watching their parents.
02:19:22.000Just like they try to depict in that remake, there's a color version, there's black and white, and by the way, there's a BBC version of 1984.
02:19:28.000If you get a chance, watch the BBC version.
02:20:08.000And to Mark, I'd like to say that a familiar name I hadn't heard in a while.
02:20:12.000I worked for the city in which you did for 18 or 19 years and we followed the things that were happening to you and I consequently had become
02:20:26.000A whistleblower for the place in which I worked and took on the government and accused them of fraud and corruption and other things publicly in front of council being on tape and I'm sorry to say they got me because I'm not as tough as you guys are but they rode me out and gave me a medical disability and are now voting to take it away and leave me high and dry so
02:20:55.000I just want to applaud you guys who continue to fight despite the... Well, we need you!
02:21:00.000We can't let them kill 70, 80 million of us, and I appreciate your call.
02:21:04.000We need you, all of you, at least on the InfoWar, copies of films, telling people about the radio show, other radio shows.