Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush Sr. joins Alex Jones to discuss the latest in the latest police brutality scandal in New York City. Jimmy Justice has been videotaping the NYPD for the past six months.
00:00:12.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:23.000We've been having him on a lot more than we did in the past.
00:00:26.000We normally would have him two or three times a year, but because he is in a unique perspective to track what's happening on the build-up for war with Iran, and because he's fighting a potentially lethal form of melanoma, we do have Ray McGovern, top CIA analyst for Ronald Reagan, and of course George Bush Sr., top briefer, In the White House, joining us for a full hour in the next hour today.
00:00:55.000Then for about 30 minutes in the fourth hour, we are joined by a gentleman who just goes by Jimmy Justice so that he won't have any violent repercussions against him in New York City.
00:01:08.000He is walking all over the city in the last six months videotaping police parking in front of fire hydrants, double parking, breaking laws, even when they're off duty.
00:01:18.000In some cases, even while fires are going on, cops will pull up in front of fire hydrants to go in to get themselves coffee and sandwiches.
00:01:26.000While there is a fire outside, the police cannot, uh, other police that are showing up in the fire department cannot get hooked up to the fire hydrant because the traffic enforcement cop in one case, supposedly enforcing the traffic laws, are parked in front of it.
00:01:41.000Just an example of the lawlessness of government.
00:01:44.000And, uh, the police union isn't saying police have done anything wrong.
00:01:48.000They say it's fine for us to break the law.
00:01:52.000They were actually quoted in the newspaper for saying that.
00:01:55.000That's what's so amazing about all these new police brutality videos coming out where the cop runs 15 feet out of his way to tackle a cyclist and slam their head in the concrete and then they charge the cyclist with assaulting the cop.
00:02:07.000Police union comes out and defends it.
00:02:09.000Or the, uh, famous video a week and a half ago came out in the New York Post Where the guy walks out of a store with a glass and ice to go to an outdoor barbecue.
00:02:19.000You know, randomly checking to see if it's alcohol.
00:02:22.000The guy keeps walking, so they run over, tackling, and then beat him full power.
00:02:26.000Huge cop, with full force, like he's swinging in the Yankees.
00:02:31.000You know, a top slugger just whacking the guy on the shins, huge, big, bloody creases into his legs, and just keeps beating and beating and beating and beating and beating and beating and beating and beating and beating.
00:02:59.000No, that's a good cop that doesn't like brutalizing innocent people and who doesn't want police names and reputation being destroyed by bad cops like the one going crazy.
00:03:18.000Gonna love how that deceptive headline makes it sound like from the Associated Press that they have nuclear weapons and they run this similar headline every week.
00:03:27.000I want to go over some AP propaganda today.
00:03:31.000A lot of other important news we'll be discussing.
00:03:35.000The first big news story I want to cover today is anti-war website operator threatened by armed thugs.
00:03:44.000And I know that informationclearinghouse.info is an excellent source of information.
00:03:51.000They do something I wish we would have more personnel to do, and that is they organize things into really good sections.
00:03:57.000Showing the premeditated lies that took us to war, false flag states, government terror, the number of dead troops, the number of dead Iraqis, Afghans.
00:04:07.000And some of the things that have happened to him have happened to me.
00:06:00.000Hey everybody, if you're anything like me, I'll bet you like to eat.
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00:08:17.000Headline on PrisonPlanet.com right now, anti-war website operator threatened by armed thugs.
00:08:26.000Information Clearinghouse editor, victim of home invasions, warnings to stop what he is doing on the internet now.
00:08:34.000I have talked to some of the other representatives at Information Clearinghouse just during the last break and they have sent me an email statement saying that Tom Feeley does not want to go public at this time.
00:08:50.000Well, you can't just say that you're being threatened and your life's being threatened and you fled your home and then say that you don't choose to put out more information at this time and to try to get the support that attention will bring you.
00:09:09.000Now, Information Clearinghouse people Writers who did put out the preliminary email yesterday saying that he had been threatened and went through some of the harassment of the last four years, culminating with armed men inside his home.
00:09:27.000That was the right move, but you don't basically become half-pregnant here.
00:09:33.000You need to go all the way, come out, go public now.
00:09:37.000And also, I'm so tired of seeing the establishment pick on liberals.
00:09:42.000Liberals are scared to death of guns, they're scared to death of men with guns, they're scared to death of confrontation, and they are the perfect targets for mafioso-style, probably private contractors.
00:10:30.000Nefarious thugs apparently in the employ of the U.S. government who have continually harassed him and ordered him to shut down his website.
00:10:37.000Tom Feely, owner and editor of InformationClearinghouse.info, has endured public harassment, home invasions, death threats, and threats to his family simply for running a website.
00:10:47.000Counterpunch writer Mike Whitney, who knows him personally and who we just talked to during the break, has circulated an email describing what happened to Feely in an attempt to draw attention to the matter.
00:10:59.000We're working on getting Mr. Whitney on, coming up in about 20 minutes.
00:11:04.000Whitney writes that earlier this week, Feeley's wife was startled to suddenly discover three well-dressed men standing in her kitchen who told her that Tom must stop what he is doing on the internet now.
00:11:15.000And from my personal experience, yes, that's who they target.
00:12:09.000What line of work he is in and how many children he had.
00:12:12.000That is exactly how they threaten you.
00:12:14.000Subsequently, two men in a parked car, a block from Tom's mother's house, were spotted using laptops and sped off when they were approached by Tom's son.
00:12:26.000A similar incident had happened four years previous when Feeley was approached by a stranger in a parking lot of Long's Drugstore in Southern California after being forced to remain in his car by an accomplice who blocked him from opening the car door.
00:12:42.000The man told him, you need to stop what you're doing and are doing on the web.
00:12:49.000And this is exactly what happened to me Twice.
00:12:57.000Ten years ago and then nine years ago.
00:12:59.000So everything they're talking about here, minus people in my house, if that happens and you don't identify yourself as, quote, law enforcement with a warrant, you have got a big problem.
00:13:12.000I think you can put two plus two together.
00:13:16.000That's why they don't do stuff like that, though, here in Texas.
00:13:20.000I'm gonna talk about that psychology a little bit later.
00:13:25.000Tom said the man was overweight and had his shirt untucked.
00:13:28.000Tom was taken back by after collecting himself and said, what the bleep?
00:13:33.000Why do you think you were telling me what I can do?
00:13:47.000Exactly what happened to me in one of the occasions.
00:13:50.000Alex Jones has experienced similar intimidation tactics on several occasions in the past, particularly in the scenario that happened to Tom in the parking lot, as well as thinly-veiled vets against his family.
00:14:00.000Well, they've been more than thinly-veiled vets.
00:14:02.000We're going to get your children if you don't shut up.
00:15:26.000Oh, that'll help you with the license plate reading cameras.
00:15:29.000Feely is ditching his cell phone and maintaining a low profile, but to his credit, refuses to cave into threats and will continue to publish his website.
00:15:39.000Drawing attention to Feeley's situation is of paramount importance to ensure his protection and also to combat head-on the attempts to create a chilling atmosphere and intimidate journalists and website publishers.
00:16:11.000They may even be part of the Vikings, a subgroup of criminal police in Los Angeles.
00:16:19.000Or it could be flat-out FBI, though I don't think it's FBI.
00:16:22.000I don't think they're that reckless yet.
00:16:25.000But I'll tell you this, ladies and gentlemen, the police tell you, the state legislatures have told you, the federal court rulings have stated that if a Officer doesn't present ID.
00:16:38.000And an officer tries to accost you, and it isn't an officer, that it is a false officer and you have the right and the duty to protect yourself.
00:16:46.000And federal and state courts have ruled that if police come in to your house without warrants and are engaging in violence, you have a right to defend yourself.
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00:24:22.000This is This isn't Russia, this isn't China, this is the United States, where we have free speech zones miles away from public events, where the police tell us we don't have a First Amendment, where they're beginning to censor and shut down large areas of the web and filter out alternative websites, running random illegal checkpoints on our highways under federal funds, taking our blood at checkpoints.
00:24:50.000I mean, the tyranny is all around us and growing and they're The federal government is massively expanding its spy network, its human intelligence networks, federalizing our cities.
00:25:04.000Meanwhile, a major website owner, editor, has men in his house threatening and brandishing guns at his wife.
00:25:13.000And remember Hoppy Heidelberg, the foreman of the Oklahoma City Grand Jury, who was trying to call witnesses about the other bombers, multiple bombs in the building.
00:25:22.000And the FBI did come to his house, he invited them in, and then they pulled back their jackets when he said he was going to keep asking questions and said, you better not, and pointed at their guns.
00:25:33.000So there are many documented cases of things like this going on, but these men did not identify themselves as FBI, though it sounds like in the latest case they were dressed similar to that.
00:25:43.000We now have the LA Times reporting and showing photos of Blackwater mercenaries raiding a medical marijuana facility.
00:25:52.000We know Blackwater was used in gun confiscations in New Orleans.
00:25:56.000That's now been confirmed by PBS with Israeli commandos, foreign troops, the government's hiring felons, aggravated felons, illegal aliens, and illegal alien felons to join the military.
00:26:10.000The Associated Press is reporting that police departments are now recruiting illegal aliens.
00:26:55.000They would move here from Sicily and other areas ruled by government corruption for thousands of years.
00:27:00.000And would the Sicilian mafia in New York City and New Jersey and other states, other cities, would they go intimidate the British or the Irish or the German communities?
00:27:13.000No. Because if you went into a German shopkeeper's shop, Or you went into somebody with the last names Jones shop or Johnson shop and you said I'm going to take 10% of the money you make each week and you're going to hire my cousin just to make sure that he's into the bookkeeping and make sure you're paying me.
00:27:34.000There are a lot of historical cases of that.
00:27:36.000But in the Sicilian neighborhoods, they were totally accustomed to the black hand squeezing them, sucking off of them, having their way with them.
00:27:45.000And so the people would acquiesce to it, and then those became sinners of corruption.
00:27:49.000And then the corruption grew from there.
00:27:51.000And that's exactly what we're dealing with here today.
00:27:57.000If I would have cowered years ago to death threats, and phone calls, and your little dog's in the backyard, and I'm gonna kill you and your little dog, things like that when my girlfriend was only my girlfriend, not my wife, Uh, and then now women calling my house saying I've gotten them pregnant, you know, made up phone calls, and then calls threatening my family.
00:28:14.000If I was to give in to that, folks, they would only intensify.
00:28:52.000And you look at the evidence, they're the ones that carried out the attacks.
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00:33:02.000The End Television and the dominant corporate media is there to scare you into submission to the police state, to their tyranny, to their fascism, or the terrorist will get you.
00:33:27.000Meanwhile, true terrorism is going on all over this country by Latin American paramilitary thugs.
00:33:32.000Police and military are being killed, kidnapped, and it's in the back of the paper, if it's even reported on.
00:33:38.000So I don't want to hear from the goons out there that you're out there intimidating People because we're anti-american and you're trying to save the country you and I everybody else know that's a fraud and you're Psychopaths who get off on this and I'll tell people in law enforcement who are no longer peace officers federal state and local Do not be part of crime.
00:33:58.000Do not be part of terrorism against the people do not be part of the secret police At least say no back out of it.
00:35:11.000Turning our schools into prisons, brainwashing our children, drugging the population, shipping in deadly narcotics all over our streets, and you just keep pushing and pushing and pushing.
00:35:25.000I wasn't one-tenth as radical as I am now, back in the late 90s when I was physically attacked and threatened and was stalked and had all sorts of other things happen.
00:35:36.000And that let me know just how real it was.
00:35:39.000I was talking about tame issues compared to this, and they came and tried to intimidate me.
00:35:45.000I am not about to discredit my family name and who my ancestors are.
00:35:49.000We do not come from shrieking violence.
00:35:55.000We do not descend from individuals that were cowards.
00:35:58.000I'm gonna let people tell them what they could say, or what they could do, or what they could write, what they could broadcast.
00:36:04.000That is not what the United States is about.
00:36:07.000That is not what the red, white, and blue stands for.
00:36:09.000I don't care if you try to expropriate it and wrap it around fascism and expropriate our sacred symbols.
00:36:19.000And a lot of you out there, I'm a big fish in this, and look, I'm still alive.
00:36:23.000People talk about me as the canary in the coal mine, and frankly, I am.
00:36:27.000Other canaries in the coal mine have dropped, have died.
00:36:31.000People like Bill Cooper, who they could set up and harass, week after week, driving on his property, making noise, getting him to come outside, and then they gunned him down.
00:36:40.000I don't have any illusions about my safety, my security.
00:37:02.000I mean, I remember right when we released Terror Storm, I went and had a video shining at book people in Austin, Texas, the biggest independent bookstore in Texas.
00:37:14.000And there were about 250 people showed up for it.
00:37:18.000And I'd been getting death threats all week long.
00:37:25.000And so I Called a police officer I know, who's also is in the Special Forces, friend of mine, and I said, when you're going to be off duty, can you come to the event?
00:37:38.000Chilean Italians, who have still been cowed from the old country, and if we laid out of the corruption, it will grow, it will set in, and then it will expand.
00:37:47.000Just like the Asian Triad Mafia gangs.
00:37:52.000Do they go into the Black-owned or the WASP-owned?
00:38:25.000But now more and more reports come out in Texas and California where the police are demanding money on the side of the road.
00:38:31.000See, we're becoming like Mexico, or like Sicily, or Malaysia.
00:38:40.000We come from hard-working, strong individuals that would have violently lashed out at anyone who tried to oppress them or enslave them.
00:38:54.000The people that came to this nation were individuals leaving tyranny, and they were coming here to fight, to carve out a place where they could at least live in some dignity and honor.
00:39:06.000If you insulted a man of the West just 200 years ago, you would be in the street having a duel with a saber or a musket.
00:39:22.000And it's that attitude that kept corruption at bay.
00:39:25.000Didn't mean it didn't exist, but it hid out.
00:39:31.000Not out in the open, roaring arrogantly, trying to intimidate the entire mass into submission.
00:39:39.000And that's why you don't have, or didn't have, mafia in Texas, in Georgia, in West Virginia, In Colorado, in Arizona, in Montana, in Wyoming, in places like that.
00:40:11.000I remember hearing of a few similar cases just where somebody tried to threaten them or demand something from them, and then they would just physically go after them.
00:40:21.000And there wasn't even any thinking about it.
00:40:29.000I mean, if a mafia thug walked into my office and walked right in here and brandished a firearm, I would reach right underneath my desk and I would open fire on their center of mass until I unloaded the firearm.
00:41:19.000We're going to write our news stories when it comes out that Dick Cheney was planning to dress up Navy SEALs in fake Iranian patrol boats and attack our own ships and it's mainstream news?
00:41:30.000We're going to put it out and make sure it gets covered by bigger outlets.
00:42:26.000In the past, if thugs or carpetbaggers, when they did come into the South, and this happened after the Civil War, they tried to come in and oppress and enslave people, and you know what would happen?
00:42:37.000They might corner a family, rape the women, kill them, they might burn down a farm, but It might be a year later.
00:42:46.000The captains of those operations might be living in a whole other state.
00:42:50.000A lot of famous cases of this and he's in there saddling up his horse one morning to ride into town and you hear a gun cock behind you and you turn around and you know why I'm here.
00:43:06.000your head off right now And I'm going to tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that the crimes that are being committed against innocent, decent people are going to be avenged.
00:43:21.000And if I'm killed, you better believe that it's going to be avenged.
00:43:30.000And that's why they want their cashless society tracking grid to measure and track and know where everybody's at every time, and to, with pre-crime, try to predict what you're going to do, and now they're setting precedents to arrest you, because they know they're going to commit incredible crimes, and they know history, and they know there's going to be resistance to it, and they know this is an armed country.
00:43:50.000So, it's an important message to tyranny, unless you want to live in a mafia amusement park, where you're the Amusement.
00:44:01.000And they're in there having fun with you.
00:44:03.000Unless you want to live under that type of oppression and evil.
00:44:36.000Okay? Don't expect us that just because you did the right thing and put out things asking for help, that now you've been taken over by fear, and so we're supposed to just stand down and let wolves have their way.
00:44:47.000No. Sorry, Trey, but Tom doesn't want to talk about this at all.
00:47:56.000I would move forward calmly, grab a giant butcher knife, and with total savage hatred, drive it to the hilt, right into the first person's stomach.
00:48:49.000You are despicable, cold-hearted, degenerate, America-murdering criminals to come in a house and threaten an anti-war website, threaten a woman.
00:49:00.000and you do that because you're cowardly pieces of crap who know that woman is going to get hysterical nine times out of ten and go to her man and demand he stop what he's Who are we? Are we Americans?
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00:53:36.000I mean, I go to the Bilderberg Group and Bullhorn world government meetings to the point of where the head of the CFR comes out and gives me vicious, dirty looks.
00:53:45.000And with secret police following us around in clown masks to try to freak us out, like John Wayne Gacy.
00:54:39.000Okay. You know, understanding what you're describing, you know, psychologically as a concept is one thing, but Well, I think what you're talking about is having the right attitude, and that is a lot more, uh, that's a much bigger thing.
00:54:54.000Because I, you know, I grew up, uh, you know, doing the Pledge of Allegiance, and having the DARE officer come and tell me about stuff, and, uh, you know, it's, I don't really, I mean, I understand what you're saying, and I know it's true, and I believe it,
00:55:10.000but internalizing that, and having that be my personal You know what I get by the email they put out and by talking to them behind the scenes, and what I get from many others is, now just men not identifying themselves with guns is authority, and so now it might be guys robbing a bank.
00:55:31.000Maybe when cops show up at a bank robbery, if the guys are wearing suits robbing the bank, maybe the cops will salute them.
00:55:37.000It's just, don't know who you are, you're threatening a woman in her house, Uh, it's the authority.
00:55:45.000We just lay down to anybody with a gun now.
00:55:48.000Well, uh, you know, if you remember Apollo 13, there was a conversation going on.
00:55:53.000He says, uh, you know, this is the greatest disaster in NASA's history.
00:55:57.000And then, uh, Ed Harris turns around and he says, uh, with all due respect, sir, I believe this is our finest hour.
00:56:03.000And I think the worst things get, it's kind of like, I have a friend who's a major alcoholic, and When he was doing his thing, I didn't really...
00:56:11.000I'm not going to annoy him and say you should stop.
00:56:13.000It's just a process that has to see its way through.
00:56:17.000And in the end, either you'll crash through or you'll bounce back.
00:56:20.000And I think it is going to be very awful, and it's going to be very painful, but in the end, we're going to be better for it.
00:56:28.000And it's going to be a beautiful, beautiful future.
00:56:34.000When they're like 25, 30 years old, because people said, oh, they'll get over being alcoholics, and then it fried their liver and they died.
00:56:44.000Well, um, you know, I just, I, I'm trying to have the right attitude myself, and I'm trying to, just to, to maintain, even, you know, uh, going day to day, it can be very, uh, frustrating, having all this nonsense go on and having this on my mind.
00:57:03.000No, I hear you, but we need to have it on our mind.
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00:59:17.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:59:21.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:59:26.000Ray McGovern's coming up in the next segment right now and taking calls about death threats, men harassing people at their homes, coming into their homes.
00:59:33.000Probably contractors, probably just mafia contracted.
00:59:36.000And how we have to stand up against this and speak out against it and not go along with it.
00:59:43.000Elliott in Ohio, then Reb, John, Kurt, and others.
01:02:52.000And what happened, the Lakewood Colorado PD and Jefferson County PD broke in, and they put a gun to their head and pushed their head forward to sign things, and then they told them words they can't say over the air.
01:03:11.000And then all of a sudden, they didn't stop coming back, because, like I said, they wouldn't sign things, so they decided to Stand in front of them on the couch with guns out and they go around in their little residence there.
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01:07:13.000All indications are Israel is still intending to strike Iran sometime before or after the election, in the next three or four months.
01:07:22.000And former White House Briefer Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr., top-level CIA analyst, Army officer, is our guest, and we really appreciate him giving us so much time the last few months.
01:07:52.000And breaking news, I'm going to leave it at that.
01:07:54.000Because that's what he asked us to do, but he'll be here soon.
01:07:58.00012 targets that Dick Cheney wanted to attack.
01:08:00.000The one he released at a journalism conference Two weeks ago, finally hit YouTube last week, we grabbed it, shoved it out big time.
01:08:08.000Two nights later, because of you the listeners, I said, get this out to everybody, email it to all news agencies, call them.
01:08:14.000Keith Elberman did cover it last Friday night.
01:08:16.000So it's been on MSNBC that they were planning to create fake Iranian patrol boats and have a, quote, shootout between the Navy SEALs and a major ship, a major naval ship.
01:08:30.000Uh, this is unbelievable, and somehow Dick Cheney was overruled.
01:08:33.000Cy Hirsch will not say yet, because he doesn't want to give up his source.
01:08:36.000If he says too much, they can pinpoint who it was in the meeting, or which meeting it was, but he says he's got a new report coming out in the next month and a half.
01:08:47.000I don't want to bring out too much here, but we're going to get Ray McGovern's take on that as well, because he's been warning for three years of a staged Gulf of Tonkin, so has Ron Paul.
01:08:55.000These guys have got good political minds to be able to I mean, I was saying another false flag here domestically or something in Israel, and they're going, no, it'll be something with ships.
01:09:05.000And then that's what it's turning out to be.
01:09:07.000They tried something a few months ago, as you know, with the fake radio transmissions.
01:09:10.000But Mr. McGovern, let's get into that a little bit later.
01:09:13.000First off, Information Clearinghouse, very credible.
01:09:16.000I've been talking to some of the Counterpunch writers, they've confirmed this did go on, but the editor and owner doesn't want to talk about now.
01:09:25.000She came in the kitchen, four armed guys, brandish guns and suits and said, we're not going to tell you who we are, but we know who your kids are and you and your family better just shut up and stop having this anti-war site.
01:09:36.000It's one of the largest sites, not as big as ours, but close.
01:09:40.000It's in the top 10. And, uh, that happened.
01:09:43.000I have been physically attacked before.
01:09:46.000They just started up a few months ago, and I went to Bilderberg and bullhorned that, and had Richard and Hoss come out and turn red, staring at me from 20 feet away, because there was one area where we could bullhorn into their main meeting hall.
01:09:58.000And then women calling my house, telling my wife, is Alex there?
01:10:12.000Well, I think mafia is the right word.
01:10:30.000The institutions of our country have been so corrupted That this kind of thing goes on in the FBI, as it told Tom's wife, it just can't do anything about it.
01:11:38.000He ended up in a limousine with General Abizade, who was CENTCOM commander at the time, in Kuwait.
01:11:45.000And they're sitting there, and Abizade turns to Toguba, and he says, you know, your investigation is being investigated itself, and you know what, General Toguba, so are you being investigated.
01:11:58.000And Takuba turns to Seymour Hersh and he says, It was then and only then that I realized that after 33 years serving in this army, it was no longer the U.S. Army.
01:12:32.000Now we know, speaking of Army, they're using a lot of Army intelligence to spy on peace groups, to harass people, to provocateur.
01:12:39.000What would you say to those men who they have twisted into doing this?
01:12:44.000I mean, how are they brainwashing them to go commit these type of crimes?
01:12:48.000We have to remind them what they swore allegiance to, and it was not the President of the United States, it was the Constitution.
01:12:56.000And some of them will learn this for the first time, but when they do learn it, and when they know that there's a law against precisely this, the U.S. Army is not supposed to be exercising domestic law enforcement functions.
01:13:12.000It's against the Well, I'm just suggesting that when you see one of these young folks out there, maybe in Denver or wherever they are now, you need to go up and approach them and say, look, son or brother, do you realize that you don't have to obey unlawful orders?
01:13:36.000And if you are doing domestic surveillance here, the law says you shouldn't be doing that.
01:13:41.000And just saying that you were ordered to do it is not going to suffice if all this is brought into a court of law.
01:13:46.000What would Ray McGovern do if, man, obviously they wouldn't do it to you, they'd do it to your wife, or they'd assess her, and she'd probably tough like you, so it wouldn't work.
01:13:56.000But, I mean, what would you do if you walked into the kitchen and four guys brandished guns and said, That's a good question.
01:14:12.000And if they weren't able to show me identification, I'd tell them to get out of my house.
01:14:17.000If they didn't do that, I suppose I'd quickly exit the house myself, lock the door from the outside, and get on to 9-11 or whatever it might be in hopes that they could be apprehended before they left.
01:14:32.000I'm too old to worry about being shot.
01:14:34.000I think who's being shot here is the Constitution of the United States.
01:14:38.000And if they shot me and that had a Well, if you've got unidentified thugs in your house brandishing weapons on your wife, I'm going to do something else.
01:14:54.000Yeah, that's what, I mean, absolutely.
01:15:08.000We have five kids, so we don't have any money, and it's very apparent from the looks of our house, so we should rather say from that point of view.
01:15:14.000Well, my point is that I'm sure they assessed this guy as a liberal who isn't a gun owner and thought they could do it.
01:15:22.000I mean, I guarantee you that a lot of people I know, it would not have gone well, Ray.
01:16:06.000Well, if necessary, as the President can call you an enemy combatant and they put you in jail forever.
01:16:12.000Those kinds of things really need to be highlighted.
01:16:15.000American people need to be sensitized to that kind of situation.
01:16:19.000Ray, 20 years ago, could you have ever imagined that they would have mafia goons running around?
01:16:24.000I mean, I guess it's happened before, but at this level.
01:16:27.000And again, I wonder, how did they get, how did they assess and profile Individuals of this low caliber to go out and threaten women.
01:16:36.000Yeah. Well, the thing is, Alex, and I think you'll probably appreciate this better than most, true information is really the Achilles heel of this whole mafia crowd.
01:16:49.000And Tom Feeley has done yeoman service, putting out his almost daily publication, the Information Clearinghouse, Or he collects articles from the likes of you and me and others, and it's quite an assortment.
01:17:03.000If you go through that every day, you are well informed in a way that you could never hope to be informed by watching TV or reading what's left of our newspapers.
01:17:12.000So they don't like that intelligence briefing he's provided?
01:17:16.000He's the most dangerous of people because he's spreading truth around.
01:17:22.000If you spread enough truth around that people become educated, and we've not reached that point yet, but when the Internet can be used to do this, and people stop watching Fox News at night and just learn the few buttons they have to click to find out what's on Information Clearinghouse, then this regime is doomed, and then Cheney and Bush are on their way to the Hague to be prosecuted as war criminals, which is what they are.
01:17:50.000I mean, similar things have happened to me, but they've got to be desperate to think that threatening people's women is going to help them.
01:17:58.000Yeah, well, you know what they've probably done is hired some sort of private detective firm to do the necessary without any strict guidelines.
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01:23:02.000planet dot tv Talking to Rader in the break, he agrees that the Information Clearinghouse needs to speak out and make a big noise about this.
01:23:22.000The poor fellow's wife is wanting him to shut up.
01:23:28.000Ray McGovern, the Cy Hirsch info about Chaney wanting to attack a dozen targets, a dozen provocations.
01:23:35.000Yeah, I can see them brainstorming this.
01:23:50.000As a matter of fact, it's not necessary to construct live P.T. boats in an American shipyard and somehow insinuate them into the Gulf.
01:24:01.000The Israelis are far better at this, and my guess is that if a shooting war starts, it will start with a provocation of that kind, where Israel will slip a little P.T. boat into the Gulf painted in Iranian colors with a big Iranian flag.
01:24:17.000I think one of our Des Moines escorts, and then it will be on.
01:24:20.000And that would be remote control, and they would claim suicide bombers were on board?
01:24:46.000And yet, if you look at the people running things, and there's still Cheney and Elliott Abrams, the neocon who is responsible for so much of this, the fellow in the White House who's running on Middle East policy, this is really a major threat.
01:25:02.000And so a provocation is probably the way this is going to start.
01:25:06.000And you talked about false flag before, Alex.
01:25:10.000We know that the president himself, I'm talking about George W. Bush, proposed a false flag arrangement to the British on the 31st of January, 2003.
01:25:25.000He was getting a little bit irritated at the fact that no weapons of mass destruction had been found, and I'm sure he realized that The intelligence people had taken his wishes at heart and constructed evidence where there was no real evidence of weapons of mass destruction.
01:25:45.000And so he said to Tony Blair, and we have this in the British MemCon, I mean, you know, the British have not disavowed this.
01:25:52.000He said to Tony Blair, three things we could do now.
01:25:55.000One would be to paint a U-2, a U-2 spy plane.
01:26:01.000With UN colors, and fly it over, you know, over the border, well past the no-fly zone, and have Saddam Hussein take some shots at it, and that would be reason for war, you know?
01:26:18.000It never got off the ground, but the other two things he had in mind were, you know, finding, in quotes, a defector who would talk about all these weapons of mass destruction, and the other one was simply assassinating Saddam Hussein.
01:26:31.000So, you know, it's not surprising at all that the Vice President in particular would be talking about a dozen such schemes, more so since we also know that there was a plan to insert a bunch of Iraqis into one part of Iraq before the war, have them shoot up some folks in some police stations, have the Iraqi army come in and try to do battle with them.
01:26:58.000They will meanwhile have declared a free Iraq and north-western Iraq, and we would come to their defense.
01:27:06.000That was another sort of false flag or provocation that was planned.
01:27:11.000That didn't get off the ground either.
01:27:13.000So these folks think in Mafia terms, they think in the same terms.
01:27:18.000This sounds harsh, but it's just factual.
01:27:22.000This is exactly what Hitler did before invading Poland.
01:27:25.000You know the story about dressing up Uh, some Storm Troopers in Polish uniforms.
01:27:30.000Glywods. Yeah, having them, uh, you know, shoot up a radio station, or whatever it was, and that was the cause of his belly then.
01:27:48.000Now, you know, that's as far-fetched as saying Iran.
01:27:53.000Well, it just came out two days ago in mainstream news, but got almost no attention.
01:27:57.000These incredible things come out that Cheney ordered the CIA to create fake weapons information on Iraq.
01:28:06.000Yeah, that's out of Ron Susskind's book, and Ron is as well plugged in in Washington as I heard, and that's saying a lot.
01:28:17.000Ron's already written two books, one on Stay there, quick break, long segment coming up with Ray McGovern opening the phones up at 1-800-259-9231.
01:28:43.000We'll look at this latest announcement.
01:28:45.000By Israel mulling military option for Iran nukes, that misleading headline implies they have nuclear weapons.
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01:32:17.000Ryan McGovern's not looking for a fight.
01:32:19.000Secret police, goons, thugs, army intelligence, hired mercenaries, LA Times, with photos of people dressed in Blackwater uniforms raiding medical marijuana facilities.
01:32:32.000Blackwater confiscating guns in New Orleans, now documented on PBS.
01:32:38.000Of all places, Israeli commandos were used, according to PBS.
01:32:42.000And the new special Bill Mortis came out of retirement to do.
01:32:48.000Hiring former Latin American death squads to be used in Iraq.
01:32:53.000Hiring aggravated felons for the military.
01:32:56.000I mean, these are all the classic things that Hitler and Stalin and every other thug did.
01:33:01.000And I want to get into the latest developments with Iran with Ray McGovern and then take your calls and talk about whatever subjects he thinks are most important.
01:33:08.000I've been kind of dominating discussion here, or at least the points that are being brought up.
01:33:12.000But getting back to the police state, Ray, I just, in my heart of hearts, know that the American people are still good enough and not so distracted by mainstream television and media that's there to put them to sleep, to realize this is classical tyranny.
01:33:27.000But sometimes, even knowing as much as I know about the world and studying this 16, 17 hours a day, I find it kind of just overwhelming sometimes, almost like sticker shock by the level of the tyranny, where Yeah, it's hard for me to believe this is happening, but it really is.
01:33:43.000Do you ever, you know, studying other countries and other tyrannies, does it ever just hit you and shock you?
01:33:51.000You know, I've watched the Soviet Union for 30 years, and a lot of this stuff, including the propaganda, Alex, it's exactly what I saw doing that, watching the Soviet Union.
01:34:02.000You know, the biggest sea change that I've observed in my 45 years in Washington is the Is the fact that we no longer have, in any real sense, a free media.
01:34:14.000We no longer have the kind of press or media that we had during Watergate, or during Vietnam, or since.
01:34:22.000And this makes it all the more urgent for people like you and me to find ways to push the word out, because the American people are deprived of all this.
01:34:31.000How many newspapers are going to run the story on Tom Feely tomorrow?
01:34:42.000But if you read the newspapers, you don't get it.
01:34:44.000If you watch television, you don't get it.
01:34:47.000If you listen to Prison Planet, other places like this, or you read Tom Feeley's Reps website, then you do get it.
01:34:56.000The only problem is, how do we get enough people sensitized to the fact that if you have a computer, it's real, real simple to spend 15 minutes a day Is it a good indicator that they
01:35:27.000are having to resort Well, let's get back to our point before, the one we were both making, and that is that the truth is what's going to get these guys.
01:35:50.000The truth, very literally, as the Bible says, is what will keep us free.
01:35:55.000So once you get a fellow like Tom Feely, And, you know, Healy is fearless.
01:36:01.000You know, he'll publish this story about Cheney.
01:36:04.000He'll publish anything that makes sense and can be documented.
01:36:08.000And that is very, very fearful for the people of running this country, because the one thing the mafia doesn't need is exposure.
01:36:17.000I've talked to a lot of other analysts, but I want to get your expert take on this, that the establishment is fighting the 1960s or 1950s war with that technology.
01:36:26.000Uh, and that they thought they were secure because they bought up all the mainstream media and it consolidated that.
01:36:31.000Uh, and that they kind of just poo-pooed the power of the alternative press.
01:36:35.000But now, uh, they had underestimated its power.
01:36:38.000They're just now starting to realize its power.
01:36:40.000And by then, the genie's out of the bottle.
01:36:42.000Uh, I mean, the information we're bringing out here, uh, is becoming a larger and larger minority beginning to verge on majority.
01:36:52.000And, uh, that they're playing four or five steps behind.
01:36:55.000Well, I think that's part of it, and I think that's why they want to make this sort of an object lesson.
01:37:01.000That, look, you continue this kind of thing, you can end up like Mrs. Feeley, or like Tom, and have your place invaded by some contract quasi-coppers, and they'll have guns under their lapels, and they'll threaten the heck out of you.
01:37:18.000Don't think you can do this with impunity.
01:37:21.000I do think it's a good education of No, it's having the opposite effect, and that's what concerns me.
01:37:34.000I don't have the illusion that the elite is invincible and has all the answers and never makes mistakes.
01:37:40.000So much of the public, you know, tends to think that, but really, you've worked in and around these people before it was this corrupt.
01:37:46.000You know they're just people as well, and that's what's even more scary.
01:37:49.000In a way, it would be more assuring if they knew what they were doing and didn't make mistakes and, you know, were evil, but at least somehow were in control.
01:37:57.000I mean, that's just a basic psychology there.
01:37:59.000It's bad, but it's not as bad as they think they're in control, but they're not.
01:38:04.000It seems like As you degrade a military and an intelligence network and turn the Cold War apparatus on the people, that the good guys are going to leave and say no and start fighting you like you and so many others.
01:38:15.000And people I know in intelligence who are retired who aren't public, you know, they're all shaking their heads for years seeing what's happening.
01:38:21.000So it seems to me like it's a brain drain.
01:38:23.000They don't have that many quality people anymore and all they've got is a bunch of thugs.
01:38:29.000And that's why you have people like my former colleagues in the CIA We're coming out now and telling people like Ron Suskind, who wrote this book, about what they were asked to do earlier on.
01:38:41.000How they were asked to forge, now get this, to forge a letter which purported to show that Mohammed Atta, who, you know, led the hijackers, that he did his training in Iraq.
01:38:57.000In other words, Cheney very much wanted to prove that Iraq was responsible for 9-11, Or at least to train the people who did 9-11, okay?
01:39:06.000The link between Hussein and 9-11 was one of the things that sold the war, let's face it.
01:39:11.000They even tried to connect Hussein with the anthrax stuff.
01:39:18.000Now, when you have Cheney doing these kinds of things, it's really incumbent upon the rest of us to expose them, and my friends in the CIA have exposed that.
01:39:29.000Well, this guy's book hasn't got much play at all in the mainstream media so far, but if we keep pressing, you know, if we say, you know, it's not quite right to have a letter that is backdated to 2001, okay, before the 9-11, which says that Hussein and his Iraqi friends were training Muhammad Ata.
01:39:48.000It's not quite right to have that surface in the Western press after it had been forged by the CIA.
01:39:56.000As a matter of fact, It's not only not quite right, it's illegal.
01:39:59.000The CIA is barred by law from concocting things like that designed to influence public opinion in this country.
01:40:07.000So, what one has to do is get George Tenet, the head of the CIA at the time, on the stand.
01:40:15.000He has already perjured himself once, and I've noted that in an article I wrote.
01:40:21.000And very briefly, it's during the 9-11 commission proceedings.
01:40:27.000He, having had this agreement with the President for a long time, that he would not embarrass the President by telling the world how many times he had won the President about 9-11, and in return for that, the President would, you know, praise him up and down, not can him, and, you know, eventually give him the highest civilian medal that he could give.
01:40:49.000Now, George Tenet was pledged to defend the President, so when he was asked before the 9-11 Commission, after he was sworn, Sworn in, you're speaking under oath.
01:40:58.000Now, what did you say to the President during October?
01:41:53.000You know, it's not likely that the tenant forgot about that, because he waxes eloquent about that visit to Crawford, and how he marveled at the fauna and the flora, and how George Bush took him around in his Jeep and all that stuff, you know?
01:42:06.000He says, it's my first time in Crawford, and, you know, this boy from Queens, man, that was really, I mean, it's incredible that he would have forgotten that.
01:42:18.000Now, now, you just said something, and again, so much is happening.
01:42:21.000I miss a lot of things, and I read the mainstream news reports, the blurbs that came out, and I mentioned on MSNBC of the CIA being ordered to manufacture connections to Iraq and 9-11, but are you saying that Bush, and see, I'm embarrassed I missed this, or did I hear you correctly?
01:42:41.000That Bush was ordering the Cheney was ordering the CIA to create fake connections to Mohammed Anna before 9-11 to Iraq?
01:42:56.000I'm saying that before 9-11, George Bush was so thoroughly briefed by George Tenet that when the balloon went up at 9-11, George Bush was faced with a very difficult decision.
01:43:12.000Here's George Tenet with, like, 36 serious warnings that he'd issued to the President over the last six weeks, and he has the goods on him, and so there had to be a deal.
01:43:22.000So Bush went out to the CIA, you may remember this, he went out a week after, and he said, George Tenet is the best DCI we have, the CIA has kept us safe, and we have the best intelligence service in the world, in return for which In return for which, George Tenet pledged that he would not make available to the general public, or even the 9-11 Commission, the number of times that he had warned the President, you know?
01:43:52.000Yeah, bin Laden determined to attack memos, all those lies now, and then Rice was caught lying under oath about that as well.
01:43:59.000Expanding on that, it just came out ABC News two days ago, and a bunch of other places it was reported, that the White House Uh, ordered the FBI Director Mueller to lie and say that the anthrax came from Iraq when they knew it was U.S. government weaponized from the start of that.
01:44:18.000So comment on that, Mr. McGovern, and then give us your take on, uh, this latest apparent patsy dying in government custody and Well,
01:44:41.000on the anthrax thing, you know, it's not surprising.
01:44:55.000surprising, but it's no less infuriating.
01:44:58.000What happened, of course, was the White House instructed people like Tom Brokow and others to, I'm sorry, that has to do with the other one, what they did was instruct people to tie the anthrax to Iraq.
01:45:13.000There's absolutely no evidence of that at all.
01:45:17.000And yet people did tie it to Iraq, and that was one of the most fearful things, the Cheney was able to play on to justify, in quotes, the attack on Iraq.
01:45:33.000They've done all manner of surreptitious and illegal things.
01:45:36.000And the mainstream media, as I mentioned before, was all too eager to play the game.
01:45:41.000So the anthrax also became directly associated with Iraq because the White House told their favorite people in the media, without any evidence at all, That it looked like Iraq might have been behind that as well.
01:46:12.000He interviewed McCain a week or so, and McCain said, you know, there's evidence that Iraq is behind this, and if that's behind I'm saying behind the anthrax.
01:46:23.000Oberman. And now it was the, it was that fellow Letterman, Letterman.
01:46:34.000Yeah, where McCain quite gratuitously says, you know, this information that Iraq was involved in this, and if that's the truth, well, we'll have to put an end to that right away, you know, that kind of stuff.
01:46:48.000So yeah, it was one of these what we call propaganda offenses, and there were people in the CIA who were seconded to the White House to make sure they knew how to do covert propaganda correctly.
01:47:06.000uh... and and and that the american people still have no idea that it's not just lies about w_m_d_ speech it's all of the fake documents in the manufacturing i mean specifically on the anthrax so the white house is on the drug that fights it for each before the anthrax show
01:47:20.000Well, clearly it was a government worker.
01:47:36.000because the strain that was developed was far too sophisticated to come from any case
01:48:08.000To read all the reporting on this fellow that they've wrapped up, it stinks to high heaven, as we would say in the Bronx, but it seems to me equally likely, at least, that the White House seized on this and tried to associate it with Iraq right away, which, of course, they did, rather than plot the whole thing.
01:48:27.000But, you know, we really have to get to the bottom of it.
01:48:29.000The thought that this guy acted alone is a little bit stretchy for me.
01:48:43.000Well, of course, what Americans don't know is you suggested that Iran doesn't have any nukes and won't have any nukes for a couple of years yet, if then.
01:49:05.000Sixteen U.S. intelligence agencies have pronounced in a formal document, unanimously, that Iran stopped its nuclear weapons-related program, not the enrichment of uranium, but the nuclear weapons-related aspects, in mid-2003, and that as of this time last year, they had not re-established it.
01:49:29.000So when the President, Vice President, and other people say, or talk blithely about Iranian nukes, Number one, there aren't any.
01:49:36.000And number two, our best intelligence is that they stopped working on nuclear-related, on nuclear weapons-related stuff.
01:52:21.000If everyone starts hearing about the Secure Sleeve, it'll destroy our plan to steal credit card numbers at the mall with my new RFID reader.
01:52:27.000I know, but these are our friends, Clyde.
01:52:29.000They promised not to tell anyone else.
01:54:28.000And as the tyranny intensifies, you better understand, folks, this is life and death.
01:54:32.000And before we get into Iran and Iraq, Ray McGovern, I wanted to bring that point up to you.
01:54:38.000And that's this, I don't think people working for the establishment, compartmentalized, who, you know, are carrying out one piece of evil and another piece of evil and it all combines together, I don't think they understand, you know, it's all a big fun thing, they're in charge, they're tough, they're intimidating women and children, they're threatening people, they're spying on people.
01:54:54.000I don't think they know history and that tyrannies are for the general public.
01:54:58.000You know, they want to shut down the opposition, but once the tyranny's in place, it's because they want to loot economies, rob the population, Well, the most important thing for me is how,
01:55:27.000with the withdrawal of habeas corpus, with the recent ruling from the U.S. Circuit Court in the 4th District, Uh, with other things that the President has, uh, said he can do, uh, our government can say, all right, Alex, uh, the President has named you a enemy combatant, pick you up from your studio and take you to some cell in South Carolina, keep you there for the rest of your life.
01:55:55.000That's possible under the Patriot Act.
01:55:57.000And it has, as I say, just been reinforced, not only by the court decision I just mentioned, But by what we can call now the Hamden principle, where that chauffeur for Bin Laden, okay, no material support for terrorism, and yet he's been convicted of this and can be put in that, or will be kept for life.
01:56:21.000So these principles have been established now.
01:57:05.000Guess why it was that that got out into the news?
01:57:09.000It got out into the news because our professional military, I'm thinking of Admiral Fallon, who has since been cashiered, but I'm also thinking about the current Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mike Mullen, insisted that it be put out there.
01:57:23.000Besides, Congress had been given early copies, and they were going to put it out, and the administration didn't.
01:57:29.000So there's a really hopeful development.
01:57:32.000There's still some honest people in our government trying to tell the truth, even though it cuts, of course, the grain of what the government wants to do.
01:57:39.000Absolutely. We got good people everywhere.
01:57:41.000Ray McGovern will be back in 60 seconds.
01:59:30.000We're going to talk to the callers after this break, coming up in five minutes.
01:59:34.000I forgot to add that in Terror Storm, Ray McGovern, interviewing him in there about the very intelligence report about no WMDs, no nuclear program, abandoned in 2003.
01:59:47.000He's also in the upcoming film, Jason Burma's interviewing him for it, Fabled Enemies, where we look at the Israelis infiltrating our government and Well, Alex,
02:00:23.000The basis of the problem, really, is that our leaders back seven years ago or eight years ago, including our military leaders, had no concept, had no lessons learned from this experience of Vietnam.
02:00:37.000And that, very simply, is you don't go invading another country and think you can occupy it and bend them to your will without having the kind of insurgency that is sure to defeat you.
02:00:49.000I mean, it happened to the British, it happened to the French, And it happened to us in Vietnam.
02:00:54.000And a mere 30 years goes by, everybody forgets that the military is not even trained to do counter-insurgency anymore, and they go into Iraq.
02:01:02.000Now, what they expected in terms of the reaction of the Iraqi people, I don't know, but they were really terribly naive if they thought they could make this thing work.
02:01:12.000Now, people have to realize that it wasn't weapons of mass destruction, clearly.
02:01:16.000It wasn't ties between Iraq and Al-Qaeda, clearly.
02:01:21.000Well, I've been saying for five years now, it was an acronym, OIL.
02:01:25.000Okay, O for oil, I for Israel, and L for logistics.
02:01:30.000The permanent military bases that would be set up there that the U.S. could use to dominate that area, take care of the oil, and take care of Israel.
02:02:11.000then we'd have all kinds of folks, all kinds of casualties, and it would be very easy to stir up American, quote, patriotism, end quote, to support yet a wider war.
02:02:21.000And besides all that, of course, as the Israelis look at it, they've only got five months.
02:02:27.000I mean, Bush and Cheney are going to be gone.
02:02:29.000And they've made it very explicit that the president has promised to take care of Iraq, as they put it, before he leaves office.
02:03:11.000It's a terribly myopic policy that Israel is following and being sort of encouraged to follow by our government because it doesn't make Israel safer.
02:03:21.000What to learn from the last few years should be that Israel has to stop its attitude toward destroying everyone who could pose a threat.
02:03:31.000And sitting down at the negotiation table like most civilized countries do and working out arrangements where people can live in peace by mutually respecting one another.
02:03:43.000I've got one more set of questions, and we're going to calls in the final segment with you on the other side.
02:03:49.000And I'm going to ask the question, is there a difference between John McCain and Barack Obama, and will attacking Iran be the October surprise for John McCain, or does it even matter?
02:04:01.000We'll be right back with Ray McGovern and your phone calls.
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02:07:59.000And that's A. B, from the inside sources you have and from studying the situation, Remy Govern, would there be a difference under, A, Barack Obama?
02:08:12.000I mean, earlier he'd said a lot of things, now he's backtracking on all of them.
02:08:36.000I see a perfect storm brewing for October, maybe September.
02:08:42.000We're talking, you know, one month away or two months away.
02:08:46.000First off, at that point there will only be three months left of Bush and Cheney.
02:08:51.000Secondly, we'll be It'll be much clearer than it is now.
02:08:57.000Nobody seems to wise up to the fact that we've been invited out of Iraq and that the surge has failed.
02:09:04.000The surge has failed because the surge was designed to give some breathing space for Iraqi politicians to put it all together so that they could have a place that we could leave.
02:09:16.000So we'll be no longer in Iraq in the force we are now this time next year and that gives the Israelis connections, okay?
02:09:31.000There's chapter and verse I can cite about that.
02:09:33.000It's clear that when Cheney tells him to lie, for example, about the Iranian provision, so-called, of weapons in Iraq, he lies.
02:09:41.000He can't prove it, and later the press forgets all about it.
02:09:45.000The fourth element here has to do with McCain.
02:09:48.000Now, this is not a necessary element of this equation, but my suggestion is That McCain is likely to have his numbers in the toilet by this time.
02:10:01.000I don't think, with the economy just falling apart, I think his numbers are going to be so low that there'll be some sort of effort to see some magical way to raise them.
02:10:12.000And what could do that better than have a wider war?
02:10:15.000I mean, if a terrorist incident would boost McCain's number, well, so much the more would a wider war.
02:10:56.000The JCS, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is sort of like an information CC on this order.
02:11:03.000The White House can bypass that and simply give the order to betray us.
02:11:09.000So what we have here is a very delicate situation.
02:11:13.000I'm looking at it mostly from the Israeli perspective because I've become convinced that Mullen is probably strong enough, that is, the uniformed military is probably strong enough to resist an order from Cheney and Bush to start the war themselves.
02:11:31.000But once the Israelis, because they're the ones that feel this is their last, best chance...
02:11:48.000So, if the Israelis want to get us involved in a big war, we should tell them, as Mullen has repeatedly told them, not to do it.
02:11:55.000The only problem is, Cheney tells them, yeah, go ahead and do it.
02:11:59.000So, Ray McGovern, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but from what you're saying, I'm getting the intel you're getting, and just looking at the scene, you're saying October is the prime time.
02:12:09.000You're thinking they may move before the election, not thinking they'll have the political power as complete lame ducks to attack after the election.
02:12:16.000I think that's likely, and there's the business about helping McCain.
02:12:20.000You know, they would think that that would enhance his chances.
02:12:39.000Others, whom I respect, fully expect this kind of thing to happen.
02:12:44.000And the way I suggest it will happen, But not until after the election, when McCain has already lost.
02:12:50.000I'm less persuaded that that's likely.
02:12:52.000I think it's more likely to happen in October or even in September, surprise.
02:12:56.000So the debate within your colleagues isn't when they're, I mean, isn't if they're going to attack, but when they're going to attack.
02:13:01.000Most of us feel that an attack is more likely than not, you know.
02:13:05.000And you know, Alex, just to take two steps back here, you know, since when is it respectable for a country to have open discourse about Oh, I wonder when our country will attack Iran.
02:13:18.000Uh, do you think it would be before the election, or maybe it'll be better after?
02:13:41.000Ron Paul says on the Hill, the only debate is...
02:13:45.000Will the U.S. immediately aid Israel in the first attack, or once the attack begins, and Iran no doubt responds in some way, then they'll shriek and say, like an elephant to a mouse, oh my God, they fought back!
02:13:57.000This is the greatest crime in history, and that they're, he says, colleagues he's known for decades are walking around with self-satisfied smiles, talking about how wonderful it's going to be to nuke them.
02:14:07.000I mean, it's just infantile mindlessness.
02:14:11.000Yeah, I have a lot of adjectives for it, Alex, but I can't use them on the air.
02:14:17.000Well, I want to get to some calls, and I don't want to...
02:14:19.000You know, this is so important, and we've gone further.
02:14:21.000Let's go to the bottom of the R.A., and then I promise I'll let you go, because I've got a few more questions before we do take three or four calls that are lined up here.
02:14:28.000Just looking at the Israeli mindset of, you know, intelligent, smart, but incredibly arrogant, incredibly self-assured.
02:14:36.000You know, I think there's the M.O. there throughout history.
02:14:39.000And, uh, but you would think that after a few thousand Hezbollah, which they're angry at Iran, they believe, backing it, and obviously probably were, uh, kicking their butt in their supposed invincible super battle tank, and they were, the Israelis were even using,
02:14:54.000there's video of them loading nerve gas canisters into artillery, still getting beat in a checkerboard, uh, infantry defense with just rockets, rocket-propelled grenades, How does Israel think they can take on Iran if they can't even beat a Hezbollah militia?
02:15:21.000Well, depending on how they judge the relative credibility of Mullen, on the one hand, who has said, you know, don't start something like this because we're not going to get in there with you.
02:15:32.000Uh, and particularly don't have the kind of provocation that happened with the USS Liberty.
02:15:37.000He even raised the USS Liberty incident with the Israelis.
02:15:50.000You know, well, he gratuitously said to the Israelis, look, uh, you know, uh, you almost sunk the USS Liberty on the 8th of June, uh, 1967.
02:16:16.000Now, for a naval officer to finally raise this with the Israelis, after our Navy has been so cowardly, and I say that word advisedly, so cowardly, and our administration and Congress have been so cowardly not to protest to the Israelis for the deliberate killing of 34 seamen and the deliberate wounding of 171 seamen on the 8th of June, 1967.
02:16:40.000You know, to have an admiral finally raised this gives me some courage, gives me some hope that this guy's got nerves of steel.
02:16:47.000The only downside about all that, of course, is that, you know, they can look at Mullen, and they can see him protest, as he has three times since he was in Israel, that, you know, we don't want a third front.
02:17:06.000He's trying to tell the White House, no, not a third front, okay?
02:17:09.000But who are the Israelis listening to?
02:17:12.000Well, I know who they're listening to.
02:17:14.000They're listening to Dick Cheney, and they're listening to Elliot Abrams, and all those idiots.
02:17:23.000They are literally divorced from reality.
02:17:28.000If this whole idea is about inserting U.S. bases in that part of the world, if it's about having special rights or special control over the oil, well, they'll give it their best shot.
02:17:40.000And if it doesn't work, well, they go out of office in January.
02:17:43.000They go off to hunt and live in Crawford or wherever, and they'll be left to the rest of us.
02:17:52.000Well, you talk about the economy imploding.
02:17:56.000Every analyst, I mean, I've seen no one who has said that it's going to make the economy better.
02:18:00.000In fact, everybody we've talked to, economists say that this will probably push into a depression.
02:18:05.000Well, you haven't talked to the military-industrial complex, I'll bet, Alex, because they stand to make megabucks out of a new war.
02:18:16.000And what I can't quite figure out is why the European leaders And even Russia and China, to what extent, seem so blase about all this stuff.
02:18:26.000I would expect, maybe it's being suppressed, but I would expect them to be speaking out very loudly.
02:18:31.000Well, the Russians have said they're letting us get into something that'll destroy us.
02:18:34.000It's kind of seen as, well, let the idiots do it.
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02:23:19.000Again, I just state the fact that it's so amazing they're using the Army to spy on Americans and provocateur and private goons, no doubt, to go threaten people's wives for news websites.
02:23:32.000And to threaten me and just all the craziness.
02:23:37.000How do these people not know they're the bad guys?
02:23:39.000Well, they've bought into, we're doing the right thing, terrorists hit us, and we've got to shut everybody up, it's against the war, we've got to ban protests because it's against the war.
02:23:47.000I'll never forget the Deputy Attorney General in the Oakland Tribune, just about, well, right on the eve of the Gulf War, the second one in 2003, And I'll never forget Mr. Calhoun in the paper saying, we're going to ban protest statewide because this war, this was a Democratic Deputy Attorney General, the war is against Al Qaeda and so protesting a war against Al Qaeda is aiding terrorists and so we're going to ban protest.
02:24:22.000That's the chilling effect they want, really, in both parties.
02:24:25.000And Ray McGovern, we're going to the calls here in a moment, but that's my final question for you before we go to calls is, do you see any hope if Barack Obama is elected?
02:25:31.000And that, you know, our commitment in Iraq is going to so roil the American people over the next couple of years, if it continues, that we will have the equivalent of an insurrection, and then you're going to see a repression full-time.
02:25:45.000Well, McCain just said, as you know, two weeks ago, that, oh, we're going to have a national draft if we're hit by terrorists again.
02:25:52.000You can see where they're coming at things.
02:25:54.000McCain, I don't think, can really speak, can really think in geopolitical terms.
02:26:00.000And Obama has said a couple of things indicating that he realizes that, you know, the roots of terror, the swamp in which terrorists breed, have to do with grievances that they consider to be legitimate, and many of them are legitimate.
02:26:15.000If you don't address those, you know, it's like shooting mosquitoes coming out of the swamp.
02:26:48.000You know, the surge, you know, his big thing, of course, is the surge.
02:26:53.000And what people don't realize is that the president himself was very specific when he explained the reason for the surge, and I quote him, it is to create breathing space to help make a political reconciliation possible.
02:27:10.000And if that was the real intention, then it hasn't been achieved because just yesterday, Yesterday, the Iraqi parliament went on vacation for a month without approving an election law, without approving an arrangement to share the oil revenue, without approving anything.
02:27:29.000They're no closer than they were 15 months ago.
02:27:32.000And they've asked the U.S. to leave, proving that they're running nothing.
02:27:36.000And on top of that, they admit what the surge really is, is paying off the different factions hundreds of millions apiece every few months.
02:27:46.000And I was talking to a special forces colonel When I was up in DC covering things I literally had the spooks Asking me if I planned anything violent and then introducing me to the special forces colonel With his high and tight haircut.
02:27:59.000It was going and they started trying to sell me right?
02:28:01.000I mean if this is I guess like they were the KGB trying to recruit me there in the restaurant.
02:28:05.000It was ridiculous going You know Alex the surge is working and I go you're paying them all off and they went into telling me how great it was I mean, that's how amateur is It is now, Ray, as the guys that are following me one day are then coming after me trying to be my friend in the bar the next.
02:28:19.000Yeah, and what most people don't realize, and we said this, some of us said this from the start, is the surge had one purpose, and that was to avoid a definitive defeat for U.S. forces before Cheney and Bush left office.
02:28:33.000In that sense, it's worked beautifully for them.
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02:28:40.000You'll have over a thousand more U.S. men killed, but you'll be able to go out of office saying, well, we didn't lose it.
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02:33:45.000I just wanted, in passing, to mention that I believe that Obama, as he's often referred to on WSWS.org, as the best asset the neocon warmongers have, and the Democrats as their best asset, because they are colluding.
02:34:01.000And I think that if we're going to protest at the Democratic Convention, we've got to Cut through all of this nutty stuff about him being some kind of a progressive or a leftist or a Marxist.
02:34:13.000He is, as you said, slavishly pushing every bit of the saber-rattling and whitewash of Israeli aggression, persecution, and saber-rattling.
02:34:27.000That the Democrats and Obama are the best asset for Bush warmongering.
02:34:34.000But this article on information clearinghouse.info, I want to preface it by saying that I called George Norrie last week and I brought up this outrageous plan to kill American soldiers and false flag us into a war with Iran.
02:34:50.000I've also mentioned on national programs, Terrorist Storm promoted that.
02:34:55.000I'm on the left, I have discriminates with Mr. Jones, but I was appalled To hear probably the most rabid neocon israeli agent, CI agent, warmonger on the Monday program, Jerome Corsi.
02:35:12.000And this article on information, clearinghouse.info, details a lot of his connections to some of the most Israeli operations, the Israeli Zionist operations, the Central Intelligence Agency, though he denies it.
02:35:27.000His propaganda that would make even Cheney Blush with shame that the Iranians have got a bomb that they want to plant in the United States and New York and blow us up with an atomic bomb.
02:35:38.000This kind of stuff is the worst kind of arson propaganda and I would hope that Mr. Jones was doing such great work And exposing all this will not sabotage his own efforts in that respect.
02:35:50.000We have Dr. Corcion, who you can't prove is a CIA operative.
02:35:55.000I disagree with him on his stance with war.
02:36:12.000Do you have any comments on that, Ray McGovern?
02:36:14.000Well, John and Alex, I find it really interesting that John would be citing informationclearinghouse.info because that is John Feeley's website, the one that we started talking about earlier today.
02:36:31.000So he's getting a smattering of all manner of different perspectives from that website, and it is crucial that that stay up and that we do what we can to prevent him from being further harassed.
02:36:43.000As far as the Democrats are concerned, if you go to the Denver protest, I would protest against Mrs. Pelosi and Jay Rockefeller, both of them well aware of the covert actions on torture, on illegal eavesdropping, on A, B, C, and D of all this.
02:37:05.000They were fully briefed and they not only approved, but they clapped their hands and they kept it all secret from the rest of us.
02:37:13.000And so you ask yourself why they're against impeachment?
02:37:17.000Simple. One of the reasons, one of the main reasons is any thorough investigation would disclose that they were co-conspirators.
02:37:27.000Yeah, that's how tyranny works, is that once people sign on to torture or illegal wars of aggression, then they feel like, you know, they've already robbed one bank, why not rob ten more?
02:37:38.000Sure, and we're still, Alex, you know, worthy to deny that.
02:37:41.000Well, you know, we just happened to be monitoring your phone that day, Mrs. Pelosi, so don't deny this.
02:37:51.000So it all works just the way J. Edgar Hoover used to proceed, and it all works just the way That's the way we try to prevent it from working.
02:37:59.000When we passed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the FISA, back in 1978, to prevent precisely this kind of thing.
02:38:39.000It's based on critical thinking and positive psychology, so that people can become empowered through clear thinking, and then deal with the depression that comes as being an activist.
02:38:47.000And also, I want to mention pro se legal, because I'm actually having a jury trial in the federal court against the city of Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, Back in the 1990s,
02:39:15.000under Clinton, wasn't there some military guys, some top military men that defected to France, and a couple of mothers that were killed over Montana or something?
02:39:25.000Well, your phone's really bad, sir, but you're talking about...
02:39:31.000Alright, back in the 1990s, did you ever hear about some, uh, top military guys that defected to France?
02:39:37.000And some others that were assassinated in some plane crash over the, uh, north and northern states?
02:39:44.000No, I remember them blowing up Treasury Secretary Ron Brown's plane, and then the head coroner in the Army said that he'd been shot in the head and others had been.
02:39:55.000They clearly had some type of black ops on board the plane.
02:39:58.000They shot everybody and then remote-controlled it into the side.
02:40:20.000Yeah. Well, I really don't know what you mean by that question, sir.
02:40:27.000We're here talking about trying to stop what could potentially lead to a world war, a world depression, a police state here in the U.S. that's being geared up.
02:40:35.000And, you know, I am a Christian, but I don't really get into all the thousands of different denominations and debates that go on.
02:40:43.000I mean, what does God's kingdom mean to you?
02:40:47.000I think it's quite literal to me because, you know, I see these things as ongoing.
02:40:51.000So long as the sovereignty is in human hands, I could see tyranny rising again and again, just like Bible prophecy talks about all these wild beasts rising again and again.
02:41:02.000Well, listen, I agree with you, Al, but what I do hear every time we talk about serious issues is Christians calling and saying, you know, it's always going to be evil.
02:41:45.000Just look at Nazi Germany in the 30s, where people really couldn't find their voice, really couldn't oppose what was going on.
02:41:55.000They thought as long as it was just the Jews, or just the Gypsies, or just the Polacks, or just the Catholics, or whatever, that they could hunker down and be safe.
02:42:05.000That's a good example of how not to act.
02:42:09.000If you profess to be a follower of Jesus of Nazareth, you have no other option than to oppose evil on the spot.
02:43:00.000Hi. The main thing, it was weird because I took a day off work today, and I usually listen to rebroadcasts even though I wanted to call in in the past.
02:43:10.000This happens to be probably one of the most interesting shows I've heard.
02:43:13.000I was thinking of all these different questions, and then you mentioned Jay Rockefeller.
02:43:22.000I don't Well, he acts like he's against the war and torture and all this, then he signs on to it, right?
02:43:46.000Yeah. He, as you probably know, is the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
02:43:52.000And he recently, to his credit, came out with an exhaustive report saying that the President lies into war by distorting, by manufacturing so-called intelligence.
02:47:23.000And folks, it doesn't mean your little five, six, ten man team, woman team is going to save the world.
02:47:28.000But all of us together, exposing, educating, standing up for liberty, starting media websites, access TV shows, calling into talk shows, local newsletters, all of it together, knowing you're bringing them down, we'll bring them down.
02:47:49.000Understand that InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com and InformationClearingHouse.info, we're all being hacked and attacked and shut down and filtered and, you know, understand that we're on the tip of the spear.
02:48:10.000All right, folks, there goes Ray McGovern.
02:48:14.000For those that missed the first hour of the show, it was amazing, too, when I went over the intimidation, the threats that we go through, that others go through, just how real this is.
02:48:24.000When you have guys in high and tight haircuts, in plain clothes, block your car in a parking lot, you get out and you say, what's going on?
02:48:32.000And they say, Mr. Jones, you better keep your mouth shut or bad things are going to happen to you.
02:48:36.000You know, that was a big wake-up call for me, I guess, eight, nine years ago?
02:48:41.000Longer? When things like that happen or when you get death threats or when things like that, you know real ones happen when you're being followed by By special ops wearing clown mask and that happened much people saw it.
02:48:53.000We tried to get video of it I believe we got some video we have to enhance it because they were driving by, you know in Virginia I mean the government wearing clown mask.
02:49:02.000I mean it's getting bad folks The government is illegitimate.
02:49:05.000It's criminal And they're engaged in all forms of crime.
02:49:09.000It's not enough for the government to ship in the heroin and cocaine.
02:49:11.000It's not enough for them to launder money and push Prozac and Ritalin on kids.
02:49:14.000It's not enough for CPS to be kidnapping all these children.
02:50:42.000If you know that there's treason going on, you can be held accountable for treason yourself.
02:50:47.000All hell is breaking loose on 6th Avenue.
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02:53:36.000There's a lot of people saying we'd be better off.
02:53:40.000And don't feel like we're going to be better.
02:53:41.000Whoever thought we'd get to this point with secret police running around threatening women, intimidating them, threatening their children, goons all over the place, TV ads, PR, billboards worshiping the police state, government telling you how much it loves you, private corporations buying up everything.
02:54:02.000I know there's a lot of good people in government who don't want to be part of this.
02:54:04.000And a lot of it isn't even your fault.
02:54:06.000It's the degenerate, lazy, stupid population on average.
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02:54:46.000I mean, they're so corrupt now, they try to frame you on videotape, knowing they're being videotaped.
02:54:51.000I mean, it's one thing to be criminals, but it's another thing to just think that criminality is so good, and is so honorable, that you just do it out in the open.
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02:55:13.000You know, those are some of the quote good guys interviewed in this film about 9-11 making an inside job.
02:55:18.000And then Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, John McCain being confronted repeatedly, John Edwards, Mitt Romney.
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