Richard C. Cook joins Alex and Alex to talk about the collapse of the U.S. economy, the deepening crisis in the stock market, and the growing tensions between the United States and Russia. He also talks about why a nuclear attack on Russia would be a good thing.
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00:00:38.000Ryan McGovern has not been on with us in about two weeks since the Russian conflict started.
00:00:42.000He's a former top CIA analyst for Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Sr., top analyst in General overall world affairs.
00:00:50.000We have another former White House analyst, former NASA analyst.
00:00:53.000He's written for the Washington Post, Washington Monthly, Space and Security News, Houston Post, and many other publications.
00:00:59.000He has testified before Congress, before presidential commissions.
00:01:03.000He's a top analyst on geopolitical activities, the economy.
00:01:07.000He's also one of the leading experts on solid rocket fuel boosters, of all things.
00:01:12.000Quite an expert joining us for the next 30 minutes.
00:01:14.000I will be taking your calls for those that are holding right before Ray McGovern comes on with us a little bit later in the next hour, but we've got him for about 25 minutes right now.
00:01:22.000He is Richard C. Cook, and I wanted to get him on to talk about, first, A, what we see with the economy, with all the deepening economic numbers versus the manipulation of the stock market, though it's still plunging today, and then also what happened with the situation with the United States, through its proxy, attacking Russia and then also what happened with the situation with the United States, through its proxy, attacking Russia about 11 days ago, and the reigniting of the Cold War and this mass hoax of saying that Russia attacked Georgia, and now moving missile systems, weapons
00:01:55.000NATO's new public doctrine, which the Russians have read on television, freaking out that NATO may launch a sneak nuke attack on Russia, saying they need the anti-missile system so the US and NATO can nuke Russia, and so Russia can't defend itself.
00:02:09.000And so any retaliatory strike will be shot down.
00:02:13.000This is just absolutely incredible, these developments.
00:02:16.000So that's basically why we have you, Richard.
00:03:08.000The Democrats should be way ahead in the polls now, and obviously Obama's not.
00:03:12.000It's a virtual dead heat, which says to me that they're trying to now maneuver McCain back in there by keeping the gas prices down a little bit and keeping the loans rolling over so the economy doesn't just collapse in a heap between now and then.
00:03:29.000But I think that we have here a classic wag the dog syndrome.
00:03:35.000Ellen Brown had a good article on global research with that as the title the other day.
00:03:43.000And it seems to me that this whole confrontation with Russia now is a move of desperation because the people in charge of the U.S.
00:03:55.000economy don't have a clue what to do about the extraordinary explosion of debt that keeps building up and now we have with the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac we have according to the experts who are watching that another three to four trillion dollars in debt piled on the already ten to eleven trillion dollars in the national debt that the government has just taken on so the
00:04:26.000Our financial position of the United States is increasingly hopeless.
00:04:31.000It is a state of de facto bankruptcy, which has really been acknowledged now for two to three years by economists very close to the Federal Reserve.
00:04:40.000They don't have a clue as to what to do about it.
00:04:42.000So, not knowing what to do when your economy is collapsing, why not have a nice big war with somebody in the hope that through such an event, They could wipe the debts off the book and try to start over again.
00:04:56.000But of course, for anyone who has to live on this planet right now, it's a potential catastrophe that's brewing.
00:05:13.000Well, let's even take a step back in history a little bit.
00:05:20.000I've always been interested in the Uh, historical background to our relations with Russia, uh, because, uh, up until 1991, in any case, uh, the United States and Russia were the two, uh, major superpowers.
00:05:38.000Uh, but this kind of a division or this kind of a split in, in the power structure of the Western world, It has been going on a long time.
00:05:48.000If you go back in history, which I'm starting to do, I'm doing a lot of research lately on the origins of the present situation, the Western European civilization, which formerly was in the Western European democracies until they self-destructed in World War I and World War II and now lies in the United States,
00:06:12.000And the Eastern European civilization, which formerly was the Eastern Orthodox branch of the Church and the Eastern Byzantine Empire, and then it devolved onto Russia as Russia increasingly became a power.
00:06:28.000And you know, it was Russia when Napoleon invaded Eastern Europe that finally put Napoleon in his place and became the dominant power in Europe for a while.
00:06:37.000So now we have really an age-old split.
00:06:40.000Between the western part of the European civilization, which now the United States and Britain really are the representatives of, and the eastern part of the European civilization, which Russia represents, that now have the face-off that began after World War II continuing.
00:07:02.000And it's not really a... You know, some people are saying that this is a renewal of the Cold War.
00:07:13.000Explain that, because we have the banking establishment here financing them and kind of using the Communists as a wicked doppelganger for them to go take over new lands and infiltrate and kind of a front to overthrow the situation.
00:07:30.000The Russia that we allied with in World War II Was a creature of western finance.
00:07:37.000that's very clear from the historical record by the one point something out i've never knew your opinion on that but you're a historian and that's the factual history and so i just knew how to finish your sentence there and that's why i obnoxiously do that sometimes listeners because i want to point out to people we're reading from the same sheet of music and don't even know it because we're just giving you the facts This is a new Russia, a rogue outside the New World Order, all evidence shows, and they're clearly trying to encircle it.
00:08:08.000This is hot on the borders with Mother Russia, which hasn't been tried since Operation Barbarossa, and before that with Napoleon, as you just said.
00:08:17.000Yeah, that's correct, because all through the Cold War there was never any danger of an American soldier in uniform facing off against a Russian soldier in uniform and pulling the trigger at each other.
00:08:46.000Now we're right there up against Mother Russia.
00:08:48.000If we send uniformed personnel on the ground into Georgia, we're running a risk of the first time in history of American uniformed personnel and Russian uniformed personnel shooting each other.
00:09:03.000This is what the Bush administration is getting us into.
00:10:33.000And, of course, Serbia has been a Russian ally and, in a sense, a Russian dependency all the way back prior to World War I. And the trap that was set by the people who started World War I in Serbia had the Russians behind it.
00:10:53.000So the Russians always had as part of their sphere of influence Serbia and that part of the Balkans, because they're Slavic people.
00:11:00.000It was all part of the general Russian policy of pan-Slavism.
00:11:03.000And that's where they stopped the Muslim invasions twice.
00:11:08.000And of course, all of that takes us back to the fact that Russia has always been the guardian of the Orthodox Church and kind of the overseer of the Eastern Christian religion.
00:11:22.000If you want to talk about That divide, that began with what was called the Great Schism in 1054 A.D.
00:11:29.000And what we're seeing today, you know, believe it or not, you know, people don't... No, no, Rome is obviously behind the European Union, and so, yeah, break that down.
00:11:39.000Yeah, we are seeing, in fact, a continuation of the same split between Eastern and Western Europe that we have seen for a thousand years.
00:11:50.000And what it is, in fact, A lot of people have realized that, and you read Patrick Buchanan's book on the Unnecessary War that just came out, World War I and World War II were civil wars between different elements of European culture.
00:12:09.000They were the same racial groups, the same people from the same civilization fighting and killing each other, and they've been doing this for a thousand years.
00:12:20.000You could Carry that out into today's situation and say that the division between the United States as the representative of the Western European civilization and Russia as the representative of the Eastern European civilization That is just the latest phase in this European Civil War that's been going on for centuries.
00:12:46.000How did this go for the NATO slash neocon Israeli U.S.-backed operation in Georgia?
00:12:53.000Did they get what they wanted as a political diversion to start these brush wars, to try to buoy the dollar, saying, America's still tough, look, we're invading countries?
00:13:32.000And the Russian Army on the ground has been known for decades to be the most efficient, powerful ground force on the planet.
00:13:42.000These guys are not the Iraqi forces who just cut and run.
00:13:48.000I don't want to insult anybody, but the Russian military is very well-trained, they're very tough, they're very well-equipped, and I think they made fools out of the Georgian military and the American and Israeli backers.
00:14:02.000And now their top generals go on TV and read the NATO doctrine that they've changed in the last two years publicly, it really changed it in 2000, where they say, we will, and I'm quoting, we will launch preemptive nuclear attacks on Russia or other states, and we mean by releasing this to provocate or have a provocation with Russia, and we're going to move missile defense in so when we sneak attack them, they can't...
00:14:29.000respond back, throwing out MAD, which has held us in good stead, mutually assured destruction, so that there's a balance of power.
00:14:36.000This throws the balance, and now Russia's saying, okay, we may go ahead and nuke those sites because we can't go up against your precision-guided munitions.
00:14:43.000I'm quoting, we may go ahead and nuke areas of Poland and Ukraine.
00:14:48.000And Russians have never, in their history, shot their mouth off and not really been considering something.
00:16:07.000Yeah, but it's not even a rallying point because the American government and the American people are broke, are bankrupt.
00:16:15.000They cannot continue even to fund the government because at a certain point The foreigners who are buying the treasury debt to keep this thing afloat are going to stop doing it.
00:16:30.000It's almost like somebody saying, I have a bomb, I'll blow this meeting up, if you don't do what I say.
00:16:35.000It seems like they're holding everybody hostage, showing everyone just how crazy they are.
00:16:40.000Well, they are, but there's nothing that they can get out of it other than a war.
00:16:46.000There's nothing that Russia or China or anybody can do for the U.S.
00:16:50.000To bail us out any further from our own collapsing economy.
00:16:54.000In fact, they've been trying to... Well, and that's where it gets confusing.
00:16:59.000They've been trying to prop the dollar up for a decade, and then, meanwhile, the White House makes every move to devalue it, and then suddenly jumps in trying to restore it.
00:17:09.000And I know there's a method to the madness here, but does it seem helter-skelter and almost like they're crazy?
00:17:16.000Well, they're trying to keep the dollar up.
00:17:18.000At least through this election, and they've done that by no longer slashing the interest rates and still providing some kind of an environment where foreign investors can come in.
00:17:29.000So they want a slow slide, not a total implosion?
00:18:18.000Well, the only rational thing that we can do is to go back to the very beginning and to start over again with rebuilding our productive economy.
00:18:31.000Our productive economy was destroyed as a result of the international banker's decision to eliminate the United States as a producer nation that came out starting with the 79 Paul Volcker
00:18:46.000recession and has continued ever since and you know you go to the uh... you look at the builder burger meetings that you've tracked alex and this is one of their my major agenda item and then we're forced to be a military economy was a brzezinski said that take everything we've got and then we'll have to be hessian slaves by way of the economy is the only way will will be able to live so domestically prisons checkpoints control surveillance and armored empire and then we supply uh... mercenaries to the corporate board
00:19:20.000The only way to stop that is for, and I've said this in writing, is for the federal government immediately to take over the Federal Reserve System, to nationalize the credit system, and to use the credit of the United States not to fight foreign wars, but to rebuild our domestic economy.
00:19:40.000And that means putting a lot of the debt That is floating around in the economy that is contributing to inflation, for example, to put that on hold, to put that into bankruptcy reorganization, and to take over the economy and to rebuild it from the bottom up.
00:19:59.000And people say, well, we don't want the government involved in the economy because it's always corrupt.
00:20:02.000The problem is the corporations have already used the government to take control of the economy and then to literally cut it up into scrap and move it overseas.
00:20:11.000Well, the economy is run now by the international banking community.
00:20:16.000You're saying the people need to take control of the government and take control that way?
00:20:20.000The Constitution of the United States starts with the words, we the people.
00:20:24.000It should be an instrument, the people of the United States, to control their own economic destiny.
00:20:31.000Now, if it's done properly, it will be a mixed economy consisting largely of private enterprise.
00:20:36.000But the key to it is control of the monetary system as the Constitution prescribes.
00:20:44.000Turn that credit loose instead of to select corporations to leverage it and then move everything offshore, tailor it again to where it actually builds the nation up.
00:21:20.000Don't forget Fabled Enemies, Jason Burmess' new film that I produced, which is a bombshell 9-11 film covering a lot of areas we haven't gotten into yet.
00:21:29.000You can pre-order that now at InfoWars.com.
00:21:34.000You'll be able to watch it at PrisonPlanet.tv September 1st as well.
00:21:41.000The globalists have strip-mined the country, moved everything offshore to create monopolies.
00:21:46.000Now their own empire is in danger of collapsing because they've been so predatory.
00:21:51.000How do you think they're planning to salvage this by having a global reorganization where they pose as the saviors through a new corporate world government?
00:22:05.000You've got the concept, for instance, of the North American Union or the North American Free Trading organization that has been talked about to restructure the North American economy.
00:22:18.000And that's a new bubble, that's all that is.
00:22:20.000Yeah, but the problem is that they have this multi-trillion dollar debt overhang that nobody knows what to do with it.
00:22:32.000And that's why I feel that we're heading toward a major war, because they always use war as a means of Either rolling over debt or inflating currency to the point where it destroys the old public debt, which happened after World War I, or they simply take over and conquer other countries that you owe money to and cancel the debt that way.
00:22:56.000They painted themselves into a corner, Alex.
00:23:00.000But control freaks, in the case of every other empire, we can study the current psychology by other elite psychology, humans behave the same way, normally just start throwing fits and attacking in all directions, and then things, that only hastens their demise.
00:23:15.000Well, they tend at a certain point to decide to set everything in stone so that no surprises can take place.
00:23:25.000This is what happened with the Roman Empire.
00:23:28.000It's what happened with the British Empire, but the British Empire went bankrupt.
00:23:32.000And the reason the United States is in control now was because they took over the bankruptcy of the British Empire, and they did it through World War II.
00:23:41.000That's what happened after the Great Depression.
00:23:44.000What lifted us out of the Great Depression was World War II.
00:23:47.000It was massive arms spending, and it was enormous tax rates that were levied on the entire economy.
00:23:55.000And so what you had in essence was for four or five years in the United States, you know, our own version of communism or socialism or whatever, managing and running World War II.
00:24:06.000And after World War II, we were the top dog in the world economy.
00:24:10.000But they handed those mechanisms over to the internationalists instead of keeping that engine going.
00:24:16.000And now we've been basically had our bones picked.
00:24:23.000That's why they got rid of Nixon, because Nixon opposed the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, which was the internationalization that preceded the World Trade Organization.
00:24:32.000Yeah, not that he was even a nice guy, but he wanted an empire for America!
00:24:36.000He thought, why shouldn't- The strong American economy, and Kissinger took it away.
00:24:40.000They got him railroaded out, and from that point on, every American president, but the big one was Reagan.
00:24:48.000You know, Reagan presided during the Volcker crash of the economy in 79 to 83 and turned the economy over to the bankers and the international elite.
00:25:01.000Who, you know, run the Bilderberg Group and the Council on Foreign Relations and all of that.
00:25:05.000And now the bankers are all buying offshore private islands with private security details.
00:26:57.000got the most well-researched and documented titles all available at prisonplanet.com or if you'd like you can give the info war store a call at 8 now into the fourth and final hour i'm going to denver next week unless more war drums start going from drums to action but uh we'll be reporting each day I think I was actually listening to your show.
00:27:24.000I was outside at work downtown in Cincinnati.
00:27:25.000right now and then Ray McGovern is coming off for about 20 minutes and we'll continue with your phone calls.
00:27:32.000Let's go to Elliott in Ohio, then Frank, Kevin and others.
00:27:40.000I think I was actually listening to your show.
00:27:44.000I was outside at work downtown in Cincinnati.
00:27:46.000I was having a cigarette and I'm looking at the black military helicopter, you know, just going up and down, up and down the river.
00:27:57.000And like, you know, I kept looking at it, and you know, I was like, no, no.
00:28:01.000It's got a radiation detector in it, or it was over houses.
00:28:05.000It's got an infrared looking for marijuana grow lights, and that makes the troops think there's really a nuclear threat, and they're really protecting America, and there's all this real security stuff going on as part of the illusion, so when the globalists set a nuke off, they can grandstand as the saviors, and the troops and police would have been, we were looking for nukes.
00:28:23.000Yeah, you know, like, I started calling, you know, a couple of the police districts.
00:28:28.000Like, I called the one in downtown, District 1.
00:29:40.000Well, do you know if it was manufactured at a military, uh... But he said the Sheriff's Department had these helicopters.
00:29:48.000Yeah, apparently the Hamilton County Sheriff's Department in the city of Cincinnati.
00:29:52.000And like, as I keep talking to him, I'm like, okay, well, sir, I have been researching how this country has been going towards martial law.
00:30:00.000I brought up the situation in Arkansas with... Let me guess, I bet he said, well, martial law will keep you safe.
00:31:13.000This is the criminal state getting ready to fully repossess the nation and totally bankrupt us all, including his mama, his daddy, his greedy greedy granny that went beep beep beep down Sesame Street.
00:35:26.000But specifically on the Iraq situation, the Afghan situation, the upcoming crisis with Iran, what's happening with the former Soviet Union being encircled by NATO, and Israeli forces being the foreign minister, the defense minister of Georgia being so involved there.
00:35:42.000I want to pick Ray McGovern's brain about that.
00:35:44.000This happened about a week and a half ago.
00:35:46.000He's now had a lot of time to study it as the former top White House analyst for Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr., assigned from the CIA with the morning briefings.
00:35:54.000He's also written for major publications.
00:35:56.000He also was an army officer, so he's uniquely vetted for us to really give us some good answers.
00:36:03.000He's given us a lot of great material in the past.
00:36:05.000Before we go to him, though, he is in my film, Terror Storm, talking about 9-11, questioning the official story, talking about Iran, no WMDs, at that time eight years out from having them.
00:36:19.000Well, he's also in the new film, he did an interview with Jason Burmess, Fabled Enemies, which gets into the Israeli connection.
00:36:26.000and gets into their intelligence agencies all over the United States, and their clear role in intelligence gathering at some level, and they certainly had prior knowledge and covered it up.
00:36:35.000That's only one part of the film, but Ray McGovern is in the film, about the role of Israel and their lobby on our foreign policy.
00:36:43.000Here is the trailer for Fabled Enemies.
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00:38:28.000Okay, Ray McGovern, there's so many questions I could ask, but let's say I'm the President.
00:38:32.000Infowars.com, where I'm going to skip some breaks during this hour.
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00:38:48.000Okay, Ray McGovern, there's so many questions I could ask, but let's say I'm the president.
00:38:52.000We're so honored to have you, and we appreciate your time.
00:38:54.000But let's say I'm the president, and I'm asking you, or you were advising a foreign president, what has happened in Russia?
00:39:02.000What is the larger geopolitical reasons for this?
00:40:16.000Now, what the Georgians had in mind is really bizarre.
00:40:19.000I think that they would As divorced from reality as some folks in the White House.
00:40:25.000If they thought that the United States of America, which already has all its deployable troops deployed in two godforsaken wars, Iraq and Afghanistan, if they thought the U.S.
00:40:37.000would come to their aid, or worse still, if they thought the Russians would sit back there behind their border and take this without reacting, you know, well, he needs to have his head examined because that could never be the case.
00:40:51.000The Russians are on the march in this sense.
00:41:36.000intelligence community unanimously decided that Iran is not working on any nuclear weapons, at least as of mid-2003.
00:41:46.000So, you know, for Putin and the rest of the Russian leaders there to swallow all this stuff and not react when they can react.
00:41:55.000I mean, they can't do anything about Poland or the Czech Republic, but they sure as heck can do something about their soft underbelly.
00:42:02.000And it's not only the Soviet Union or the new Russia, it's the old Russia.
00:42:06.000It's the old Russia going back four centuries now that has this very paranoid attitude toward their southern frontier, the Black Sea, and now, of course, within the last century, that's where the oil is, and they're very, very sensitive to encroachments on that.
00:42:26.000Well, analyzing Mikhail Shagosvely, this guy is on TV and live programs chewing his tie, looking like a complete nutcase when...
00:42:38.000When there's no threat, he runs in fear, panicking like no leader I've ever seen.
00:42:43.000And I'm not saying I wouldn't run from an air raid, but he just...
00:42:47.000According to all the reports, he really is out of his mind.
00:42:50.000And meanwhile, you've got all these Israelis there.
00:42:53.000Jerusalem Post said a thousand Israeli advisors.
00:43:01.000I mean, what were they thinking to gain from this?
00:43:05.000Well, again, as far as Sakhar Farsheli is concerned, you know, he's sort of like the Chalabi of Georgia.
00:43:16.000Well spoken, pretty glib, in good with the neocons and several other people on the Hill.
00:43:23.000And they sort of gave him the impression, some of them at least, maybe as high as Cheney, that, yeah, we're going to tweak this Russian bear and we're going to defend what you consider to be your strategic objectives.
00:43:38.000And so I can only reason The Russians wouldn't respond.
00:43:50.000Now here's the president out there in Beijing playing beach volleyball with those comely women and not really being in the picture, Cheney being in charge back home and issuing threatening statements.
00:44:08.000Thank goodness Robert Gates made it clear that we're not going to react militarily.
00:44:14.000So, the whole thing is an abject lesson, or an object lesson I suppose, is the right word, although abject also fits here, of how these people are not reality-based.
00:44:26.000How they thought that they could do this stuff in a place where they can't defend a little nation like Georgia.
00:44:33.000How the Georgian leader thought that he could get away with this is beyond my comprehension.
00:44:43.000And now they've given a lesson to places like that, that really violated understandings reached back in the early 90s, where these, you know, Ossetia and Abkhazia would enjoy a measure of autonomy.
00:45:00.000And that there would be Russian people in there.
00:45:03.000They feel closer to Russia than they do to the Georgians.
00:45:06.000Well, we know those two areas were given by Stalin to Georgia, because he was a Georgian, and they're 90 plus percent, what, 92 percent one, 90 percent another, Russian.
00:45:16.000And the sneak attack where the Georgian peacekeepers were knifing and shooting the Russians in the security zones, inside the peacekeeping bases?
00:45:26.000I mean, this is unprecedented treachery.
00:45:29.000Yeah, you know, one of the real statesmen at the end of the Soviet era, Shevardnadze, Eduard Shevardnadze, who was the foreign minister, he talked about this whole series of events, and he was careful not to be too terribly critical of what the Russians had done.
00:45:52.000But he did point out that there's a way of handling these kinds of things, and it has to do with long-term
00:45:59.000uh... cultivation of ties and while he was uh... president of georgia he reached out he went to a house here he went to a six year and he met with the people and there was a gradual rapprochement happening that's not the way uh... our clients uh... do things uh... you know we do shock and awe and we we raid the cities and kill a lot of civilians in the middle of the night that is deplorable that is beyond the pale and that's what
00:46:27.000Do you see that, Ray McGovern, as another window into the neocon mindset, that they would obviously greenlight this, that they're so delusional that they just think they're going to see victory everywhere?
00:47:09.000I want to get into the Iran-Iraq situation, the big picture there, and where you see this going in the election.
00:47:16.000Any new developments the last two weeks since you were last with us?
00:47:19.000But finishing up with the Russian situation, it looks like the neocons are escalating things now.
00:47:25.000and moving in more forces, more weapons, taking over former Soviet satellite bases in Ukraine, angering the Russians, escalating, and even more.
00:47:34.000And so I want to get your take on overall how that's going to play out.
00:47:38.000And then when we come back to the full audience in about three minutes, I want to, John, get that clip ready with McCain saying, and we also want to Bush, saying the 21st century nations don't invade other nations.
00:48:20.000Well, I think that the Ukrainians will have learned this lesson pretty well.
00:48:24.000Also, with respect to NATO, of course, they have already Postponed any talk of accession to NATO by Ukraine and by Georgia.
00:48:34.000So there'll be a period of several months now where people will kind of hunker down and weigh the implications of what just happened and realize that, you know, would we want Mexico to be invited to join the Warsaw Pact?
00:48:52.000And what Americans need to do is put themselves in the position of the Russians.
00:48:57.000And as the Russians look out on what the U.S.
00:49:00.000has done over the last eight years, you know, cancelling treaties, putting new missile systems in Western Europe, invading other countries.
00:49:10.000You know, if I were Vladimir Putin, I would think twice about not giving them a lesson when he can so easily do so.
00:49:20.000The Georgians were thoroughly penetrated by Russian intelligence.
00:49:25.000That's why they were ready to respond.
00:49:27.000And for the Georgians that think they can get away with this, you know, it was really started by the Georgians and they're going to have to pay a price.
00:49:40.000Well, the oil line there that runs through Georgia is very important to Israel.
00:49:46.000But also, you know, if you talk about the military-industrial complex in this country, You know, there's a great big one in Israel as well, and they have been making megabucks by sending all kinds of armaments and selling them to the Georgians.
00:50:03.000And of course, to the degree they can get a foot in Georgia, it's similar to the foot they used to have in Turkey, or even earlier in Iran, of all places, then they have more of a security So you're saying another huge international blunder for the neocons, Washington and NATO, just another stinging, pathetic fall on their face defeat?
00:52:58.000Israel has incredible political capital here in Washington.
00:53:03.000And now, lest we waste any more time, we need to start a Start the kind of fracas that will lead us and lead George Bush to honor his promise to us to take care of Iran before he leaves office.
00:53:19.000So I think, on balance, because of the increased danger of our departure from Iraq after George Bush leaves, and the situation where we have had a substantial reverse and might need something to kind of compensate for that, And I would deduce the example of when we lost those 242 marines in Lebanon.
00:53:55.000And we showed the mice of the 82nd Airborne despite the losses in Lebanon.
00:54:01.000So, there's going to be a big temptation on the part of the neocons and on the part of the Israelis, you know, the likudniks, the extreme... I'm not talking about the Israeli citizen in the street, I'm talking about the extremist right that has taken over the Israeli government.
00:54:15.000There'll be a great temptation for them because of the dangers in Iraq and because of the opportunity to give the United States some sort of way to show, well, we're not just a paper tiger, we can really do things.
00:54:28.000It's even more likely, it seems to me, that the Israelis will decide to perpetrate the kind of provocation that will almost require Iran to react, and once they do, the U.S.
00:54:41.000will be in there with both feet because the U.S.
00:54:43.000President has promised the world that that's exactly what he's Well, the Associated Press is reporting today, as well as other publications, that the Saudi delegation and the Egyptian delegation, meeting with the Iranian delegation yesterday, told them, do not provocate, do not give in to provocations, back down, talk sweet, because they are really planning to attack you.
00:55:17.000Although, as you know, I think the green light will flash before too long.
00:55:21.000What we have, you know, the most important aspect of this is we have a real Donnybrook happening in the White House.
00:55:27.000A big conflict between Vice President Cheney, Elliot Abrams, who's running our policy from the National Security Council, on the one hand, and Robert Gates, the Secretary of Defense, and Mike Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on the other.
00:55:46.000Mullen and Gates have made no secret of the fact, they think, that opening a third front, what they mean, of course, is striking at Iran, would be a disaster, would be a catastrophe.
00:55:58.000He's said that about three times, and they've told the Israelis that.
00:56:01.000Now, the question is, and this is the real question, when the Defense Minister from Israel, Barack, for example, or when the head of their intelligence or other high officials come to Washington, Usually they go to Dick Cheney's house last, okay?
00:56:19.000And what they say is, you know, this guy Mullen and Gates, you know, those wimps, you know, they want us not to do anything against this terrible threat from Iran.
00:56:30.000And if Dick Cheney winks and says, well, you know, they are kind of soft on this threat, then the Israelis are going to take their cue from Cheney and not from Gates or Mullen, and we'll be off and running.
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01:00:27.000Ray, before I take calls here in about 10 minutes for you, we're just so honored to have you with us and so blessed you spent time with us to give us your analysis.
01:00:37.000Other areas, with Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, I mean, just in the big picture, where does it look like things are going for the United States of Europe?
01:00:46.000If you had to project the lines out, what do you see happening in our society overall?
01:00:52.000Because with the economy, it just all looks like an empire that's falling in on itself, oppressive domestic police states, both parties backing it.
01:01:06.000The operative factor here is whether the President is really a part of reality, or whether he's pretty much already given up his tasks here.
01:01:16.000I don't know if many of your listeners or viewers saw the interview that he gave to a Western reporter, Anchorman, in Beijing.
01:01:28.000The fellow started by saying, Mr. President, we like to talk about the problems here in China, but of course the U.S.
01:01:47.000And if that's his attitude, with the economy falling apart, with the stuff in Georgia going on, with Iraq and Iran, I mean, if you think there are no problems, and he's divorced from reality, he's certifiable, and it would probably be a good idea for the psychiatrists in Washington, D.C.
01:02:05.000To try and get him committed, although, you know, you'd have to do Cheney at the same time.
01:02:13.000So it really is the bizarre circumstance here that if we can get through the next five months without anything really, really bad happening, then there's some hope for the future.
01:02:24.000But as you know, my concern is that these fellows can start a major war within the next five months.
01:02:31.000And I see that possibility as so important and so worrying that everybody needs to do their part to get to their representatives and senators that say, look, no war on Iran, no matter how it happens, whether the Israelis start it or however it happens, it's not going to help our country and it will be a disaster for our troops.
01:02:50.000Does it worsen things in relation to an Iran attack on air bombardment now that Georgia has been insulted and there's this escalation on their western flank and their southern flank?
01:03:05.000Because people, I mean a lot of analysts and political scientists and folks like yourself have all been basically saying the same thing, that Russia and China could be drawn into an Iran crisis, Well, it does make it more dangerous.
01:03:16.000in the economy, brush fires breaking out in other parts of the world.
01:03:20.000Other countries are going to use this diversion to move on other breakaway republics.
01:03:24.000You know, that's how World War started.
01:03:26.000So does this make it even more dangerous now if they do go into Iran or attack Iran?
01:03:32.000And is this heightened the chance that Russia will be somehow drawn into that?
01:03:40.000You know, I mentioned the Grenada syndrome before when gets a real bloody nose, as it did in Lebanon when 242 of our Marines were killed by an explosion back in 1983, the first thing we did was try to find some place where we could demonstrate our military might, and we picked the awesome task of defeating Grenada in the Caribbean, okay?
01:04:05.000Now, this is a bloody nose of equal magnitude.
01:04:08.000And so there will be neoconservatives, there will be hardliners in the White House and the Pentagon who will say, look, you know, we've been given a bloody nose and we've got to demonstrate our prowess, and how better to do that than to help the Israelis defeat the Iranian, quote, threat, the nuclear threat.
01:04:28.000So that's the Grenada Syndrome that really bothers me.
01:04:31.000The other business, you know, The rest can just play out for the next five months, although it won't play out favorably for us.
01:04:40.000But everyone knows that Bush is a lame duck.
01:04:44.000One of the interesting things is that Proffitt, a very influential paper in the Soviet Union, has taken to calling our president to shut up.
01:04:57.000So nobody's taken him very seriously, but everybody's worried about it.
01:05:00.000Now, Russia looks at it and says, And I talked to a Russian producer when I was on Russian TV recently, and I said, aren't you guys worried that the U.S.
01:05:10.000might invade, or not invade, but bomb Iran right on your southern frontier?
01:05:15.000He looked at me, he smiled, he says, well, you know, what would happen to the price of oil if that happened?
01:05:25.000He says, well, you know, we'll just live a little higher on the hog here, and you guys will get even thoroughly more enmeshed in that situation.
01:05:33.000Well, Warren McGovern, in closing before we go to calls, the problem I see here is that I coldly research and then coldly come about with my beliefs, and then I get on air and get all hothead about it so it looks like I'm wild or it looks like I'm ego-driven, and then I get on air and get all hothead about it so it And as I get older, I lose more and more of my ego.
01:05:56.000I actually kind of miss it because it's a good propulsion system.
01:05:59.000I can tell you don't have much of an ego.
01:06:00.000You're more of a scientific type guy with your mindset But then when I look at these powerful people more and more, especially these neocons and others, it really seems like they are very childlike and have no sense of responsibility and that they are ego-driven.
01:06:14.000And I'm not even saying I'm some wonderful person or you're some wonderful person, but just in life, being a father, having responsibilities or having some employees, it seems like I have more concern about the world's future than even they I don't even know what I'm really saying here.
01:06:30.000It's like an ego-driven recklessness when you talk about the Grenada Syndrome, about needing to go kick some little island's butt so you look good or feel tough.
01:06:40.000But then I look at the psychology and the statements and the things these people say, and it even scares me more because I realize that they really are just absolutely psychopathic.
01:06:54.000Look at Bush and his record, even growing up as a child.
01:06:58.000He never was held accountable for anything, Alex.
01:07:02.000For nothing was he ever held accountable.
01:07:05.000More recently, I remember four or five years ago, when Bob Woodward was writing books about this administration, he interviewed him and said, are you interested in your, do you care about your place in history?
01:07:39.000It's, I don't care what people 50 years, 100 years say, because it's all about me, me, me, not his grandchildren, not his progeny, not his name, no sense of community, no sense of the future, no sense of connection to the rest of society.
01:07:53.000And it's admitted, he brags, that he would kill little animals.
01:07:57.000That he would torture animals to death, and that is a psychopath!
01:08:02.000He used to firecrackers in the orifices of toads back there in Texas, and then blow them up.
01:08:10.000Colleen Rowley, my good friend, who is the FBI person, whistled on 9-11, and she tells me that if that ever appeared on the record of an applicant for employment with the FBI, the application would automatically be thrown in the And the trash, because that's a sign of subsequent psychotic behavior.
01:08:32.000Now, let me just finish with one thing that scares me most, and that is, if we do strike Iran, Iran, as I've said before, has immense possibilities of striking back at us, to include cutting off our supply lines of our troops in Iraq.
01:08:48.000What is the United States going to do then?
01:08:50.000Well, somebody said, well, send in more troops.
01:08:57.000And that is what they're falling back on, because these nail guns, they have no real appreciation for the difference between high-explosive weaponry and the kinds of nuclear weaponry that hasn't been used since Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
01:09:14.000And so, you know, this is really bizarre, because it will be the only thing that will be available for Bush to use under those circumstances, and that's why There's a real premium on our all, doing everything we can to make sure that nothing happens that will perpetrate this kind of air attack on Iran, because the way they will retaliate might force us to either retreat ignominiously or use these, quote, mini-nukes in a way that would just let the nuclear quote, mini-nukes in a way that would just let the nuclear genie right out of the
01:09:43.000And by the way, the only thing backing up the dollar now is the view, as this is the hegemonic lone unipolar superpower, I mean, wouldn't a U.S. rout and defeat and collapse probably bring us into depression?
01:10:24.000You look at what he did with respect to Iraq.
01:10:27.000He's not really cognizant of what's going on around him in the world.
01:10:30.000I mean, I was just telling somebody the other day, look, back in the spring, when there was all kinds of talk in the press, and even in his own press conferences run by his press secretary, you know, Fordow Oil, okay?
01:10:48.000Now, he has his own press conference the next day, and one of the reporters said, well, how are you looking, Mr. President of Fordow Oil?
01:10:57.000That's like a Aesop's fable with the crazy king that doesn't know the city's burning and he's dancing around playing his flute or his ukulele.
01:11:08.000That's like a Aesop's fable with the crazy king that doesn't know the city's burning, and he's dancing around playing his flute or his ukulele.
01:11:19.000You know, I don't know what's more scary, Ray McGovern, that they...
01:11:22.000We know they armed and trained Georgia for this, but whether they gave them the green light or not, if they gave them the green light, it shows they're crazy and miscalculated.
01:11:29.000But if they didn't give the green light, it means that they don't even control their own puppet states, Meaning they're completely out of control.
01:11:37.000Well, the latter is more scary, because that means that just as the Georgians can think that they can get away with this kind of thing, So do the Israelis.
01:11:48.000And the Israelis, unfortunately, will be right.
01:11:51.000Because there's nothing that will stop the United States of America from springing to the defense of Israel, whether or not Israel starts it.
01:12:02.000Because that's just the way the political landscape is.
01:12:04.000And how is it going to help Israel to launch an attack on Iran?
01:12:50.000They're in marble-lined palaces, and they just lose touch.
01:12:55.000You know, it's August, and there's an incredible novel, historical book called The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman.
01:13:05.000And I would recommend it about the beginning of World War I. And I would recommend that highly to anyone who wants to read it.
01:13:12.000She talks about all kinds of things and draws all kinds of analogies.
01:13:17.000And she wrote a subsequent book, The March of Folly, from Troy to Vietnam.
01:13:25.000That, too, I recommend because it shows that people can be oblivious to the realities around them, that their sycophants around the leaders can mislead them and prevent them from seeing the realities, and it's all too scary.
01:13:42.000Read The March of Folly from Troy to Vietnam, both by the incredibly astute historian Barbara Tuchman.
01:13:50.000On a separate note, read ConsortiumNews.com, Dear Colon.
01:13:55.000Just type Ray McGovern, Dear Colon, his letter to Colin Powell about how they gave him false intelligence and lied to him, which is criminal right there.
01:16:00.000Well, I think the cyber situation is very important.
01:16:05.000And the fact that the Pentagon computers could be hacked is a case in point.
01:16:13.000I'd like to respond to Lisa's comment about the toddlers.
01:16:19.000I just helped my grandson in his nursery school and was talking with one of the teachers afterwards and asked her, you know, what do you try to teach children at this age, in the age of four?
01:16:38.000Chaney and Bush must have missed nursery school.
01:16:43.000Because at the basis of all this, it has to do with a limited amount of natural resources in this world and the need to share them.
01:16:53.000Not to attack and occupy the country with the second largest world deposits, but to work out some sort of a deal with Russia, with China, with India, with the real, other people with real needs for these national resources, natural resources, to share.
01:17:09.000And once you don't have any concept of sharing, and you have the kind of military strength that we have, well, that's what brings this kind of situation.
01:18:25.000A few nights ago on the news, I think it was Brian Williams, the comment was made.
01:18:30.000It showed a scene of a woman who was very badly wounded.
01:18:34.000And a Russian soldier was helping her and said she'd been shot by a Georgian soldier.
01:18:40.000And that was kind of a slip that they let out.
01:18:42.000Yeah, that's a whole other subject, and I'm glad you brought this up, Helen.
01:18:45.000What about the contempt of the corporate media quietly announcing in each report that it was all a sneak attack by Georgia that precipitated the Russians coming in?
01:18:54.000But I saw headlines in the news like, Georgia attacked by Russia, and I have people on the street telling me I'm a liar, I'm getting calls even on air saying that I'm basically a communist, that I'm siding with Russia, and that Georgia didn't attack Russia.
01:19:08.000And then McCain comes out and Bush come out and say, you don't attack nations in the 21st century, you don't invade them.
01:19:15.000I mean, again, it's more than just delusional.
01:19:19.000It's like they're inviting the public to be part of the delusion.
01:19:30.000It's really a function of how low the media have become here and the fact that American citizens can no longer learn what's really going on in the world unless they tune in to radio programs like yours or read the alternative press.
01:19:47.000You know, one of the more bizarre reflections of this, Alex, was Fox News carrying an interview with a 12-year-old girl who was in South Ossetia when it was attacked.
01:20:00.000And she talked about how terrible it was, hiding in the cellar with all these bombs and rockets going off.
01:20:24.000He says that's what Russia wants you to believe, and ended the segment.
01:20:28.000Yeah, well you know, what we have here now is one of the Russians, One of the Russian television stations putting on air what actually happened, and excoriating the biased U.S.
01:21:14.000I actually have three subjects, but since there's not a lot of time, I wanted to talk about The original 13th Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
01:21:27.000Okay, letters of nobility that our leaders can't be sold out to foreign interests, kind of like the Logan Act?
01:21:38.000Why isn't it applicable to George Bush's ties with Saudi Arabia?
01:21:43.000Well, of course it is, but what the problem is is Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats just don't have the Well, it's not that they lack the guts, although that's also true.
01:21:54.000They see a political advantage in just letting this thing simmer and not allow themselves to be accused by Fox News of being disruptive or divisive before the election.
01:22:05.000Plus, a lot of power has been grabbed and they want that power.
01:22:09.000Don't think any of these mechanisms that have been built up that are unconstitutional are going away, right?
01:22:13.000Yeah, once this precedent is laid, it's going to be very difficult.
01:22:37.000What happened here is that the head of the Iraqi intelligence, the head of the Iraqi intelligence, mind you, And the foreign minister, both of whom Saddam Hussein thought were working for him, were really working for us.
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