Alex Jones sits down with election fraud expert and filmmaker Bev Harris to discuss election fraud in the United States. Bev is the Director of BlackBox Voting, a non-profit organization dedicated to exposing election fraud, and the host of the HBO documentary, Hacking Democracy.
00:00:02.000Now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:06.000Well, for the next hour, we have Bev Harris on with us.
00:00:23.000And you know I'm neurotic about throwing in points, asking too many questions.
00:00:27.000She is the premier expert on election fraud, blackboxvoting.org, the non-profit, her incredible documentary, Hacking Democracy, back on HBO.
00:01:00.000But I want you to really Overview, the basic history of the election fraud, not just the new touchscreens or systems, but the scantrons that are still centrally tabulated, where we're going, what happened in the You know, some of the anomalies we saw in problems earlier in the campaign, this year going to the primaries, and then now what you're seeing coming up 27 days away from the election right now.
00:01:29.000Which again, as you point out in your film, Well, great.
00:01:32.000you're in on HBO, Hacking Democracy, in areas where you've got the Democrats running things, they're clearly running shenanigans.
00:01:39.000And where Republicans run things, they're shenanigans.
00:01:45.000And again, you have done such a great job exposing this.
00:01:47.000So anything and everything you want to cover, whatever angles, and then right after the election, she'll also be here with us to analyze what's happened then, because we know what's going to happen.
00:01:56.000Bev Harris, thank you for coming on with us.
00:02:43.000This is not the way the country was founded when we say, I'll tell you what, we're going to trust some insiders to count our votes in secret.
00:02:53.000But that's what we're really dealing with right now.
00:02:56.000And you're absolutely right what you started off with.
00:02:58.000Whoever's in power, We're at the mercy of whoever's in power and controls those systems, which is not a definition of freedom.
00:03:07.000So, you know, it started when we decided that we should use voting machines to vote.
00:03:15.000Now, I'm not against technology, but I am against, you know, just building something on mechanics without having a design specification.
00:03:26.000It's kind of like we went out and we built a big, big, tall building without an architect.
00:03:31.000The architect is actually the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and it says the people must be sovereign over the government.
00:03:40.000Well, they left that part out, and they basically made vendors and insiders in the government sovereign, put it into voting machines that those people control, and said, here you go, this is our elections, we control them, trust us.
00:04:07.000You ceded power to a bunch of insiders, and we haven't gotten it back.
00:04:13.000So, um, you know, there's a kind of a bigger picture we can draw in terms of all kinds of specifics, but in a nutshell, that's what we're dealing with.
00:04:26.000For those who don't understand, not only is it non-transparent secret, every time Bev Harris spot checks them, every time, there's fraud, there's chicanery, there's lies.
00:04:35.000The systems are designed to be secretly snuck into and then have the visit erased.
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00:07:58.000We have come a long way when I was talking about election fraud with the Collier brothers 13 years ago on air, and they've been doing it for a decade before that.
00:08:07.000It didn't matter if they had video of the League of Women Voters falsifying the ballots by hand in Florida.
00:08:16.000But today we have the internet and people like Bev Harris, who's a corporate fraud investigator, an auditor.
00:08:22.000Well, she decided to look into it years ago and it's been quite a saga.
00:08:26.000And I know it's hard for some of you out there to believe this is happening.
00:08:28.000It's also hard to believe that the Goldman Sachs former head and his deputy are running the entire bailout, handing tens of billions personally to their own companies.
00:08:39.000Every law, every canon of a free society, every check and balance, gone.
00:08:45.000Diebold, Hardener Civics, Sequoia, all caught It's unbelievable.
00:08:50.000So, Bev Harris, I'm going to turn my mic off, I'm going to sit back, and we're going to go directly to you, blackboxvoting.org.
00:08:58.000I know the listeners know about this, but do your friends, your family, your neighbors, and do you really think you know?
00:09:03.000You know, I've seen Hacking Democracy twice, and as I said yesterday in the morning, I was already thinking about getting Bev on, I was on the treadmill, I wanted to be on for 30 minutes, ended up being on an hour, watching HBO in the garage with Bev Harris on it, and That's where I got my equipment.
00:09:22.000And I'm in there watching her, and it's just... Even though I'd seen all this, even though I knew this, even before this stuff was in the film, I'd seen it on YouTube and Google.
00:09:30.000You know, the little clips she put out in pieces.
00:09:45.000We're here, the alternative media, going toe-to-toe with the military-industrial complex.
00:09:49.000So, as Beth said, we don't have voting for all intents and purposes.
00:09:53.000You know, one of the really great people working on this issue is a lawyer by the name of Paul Leto.
00:10:01.000And he said the other day, in discussing what we're really dealing with, he said, you know, if one can keep their head while those around them are losing theirs, perhaps they don't quite understand the full extent of the problem.
00:10:37.000But we don't have that in terms of the system.
00:10:41.000People have the idea that they think that we have these The systems that have checks and balances.
00:10:48.000What's so interesting is when I first started studying this, people said, well, don't worry about the flaws with the voting machines because we have checks and balances that would catch it.
00:10:57.000So I spent the last two years evaluating the checks and balances.
00:11:14.000You're telling me that it's okay if the machines are defective because you have checks and balances, and now you're telling me the checks and balances aren't that important.
00:11:22.000What you're really telling me is, don't trust the system.
00:11:59.000Well, you know, even, I think one of the things that sometimes helps, people get excited when we talk about fraud, but we don't even have to prove fraud, because what got taken away from us was the ability to control the system at all.
00:12:16.000So, it's like, suppose you own a small business and you are told you're not going to be allowed to see what your bookkeeper did with the money, you're just not allowed to see it.
00:12:29.000You know, it obviously, you don't own that business anymore, right?
00:12:37.000is that we don't have control anymore.
00:12:40.000And so we, of course, of course when you don't control it and people can gain power and money when they do control it, those people will commit crimes and those people will commit fraud.
00:13:07.000And so what we have to understand is right now the system we've got took away our fundamental civil rights, and took away our freedoms, and until we get control of the election system again, no amount of, well this election official is honest, she's a good one, don't worry about her, that is not the point.
00:13:28.000The point is we have to be able to control the system.
00:13:32.000It's just exactly like if you are a business owner and someone says, well, you can't see what happened to your money, but trust me, your bookkeeper is a nice lady.
00:13:43.000Or sometimes they say, we're going to propose a system now.
00:13:46.000Boy, the mitigations they come up with are just even dumber than the problem.
00:13:50.000They've got one now where the guy, some scientist from Stanford is saying, well, I've got one where you can check your own vote and it relies on invisible ink to make sure it's secure.
00:14:02.000And I'm thinking, okay, so that sounds a little bit like the Emperor's New Clothes.
00:14:07.000Invisible ink and you can check one vote.
00:14:09.000If you own a business, imagine if they say, you can check one transaction, that's all.
00:14:15.000And your bank will just tell you what you have in the bank besides that.
00:14:53.000Well, Bev, I mean, I'm just listening to you.
00:14:57.000I want you to walk through this for people.
00:14:58.000I mean, you like to prove the fact that it can't be confirmed and it's designed so it can be covered up, but you have caught them cheating.
00:15:05.000You have caught them violating things.
00:15:10.000And the polls come out, which were always accurate in the past, in the exit polls, showing that somebody's going to win, but if they're anti-establishment, they lose.
00:15:18.000And it's the perfect system, because once you've stolen the right to vote, once you have the fraud in place, it's hard for the people To ever throw the rascals out, because they're in control of the whole system.
00:15:31.000I mean, you have to have a system where you can throw the bums out, if they're bums, right?
00:15:35.000A lot of times I have people come to me and say, well, the system is actually going to be okay in Oregon, because we have a good Secretary of State and we really like our mail-in voting and our election official is honest.
00:15:47.000And when I tell them, okay, take your Oregon election system and take it to Kentucky, Where we still have, you know, Festus and Buford sometimes running the local government with their family, and sometimes the sheriff is the drug dealer.
00:16:03.000And tell me if your organ system works there.
00:16:06.000Well, they always admit, well, no, it won't work if the insider is crooked.
00:16:17.000We have caught situations where there's fraud, but the bigger problem is that because they're counting in secret, they have set it up so that it's impossible to prove whether there was fraud or not.
00:16:30.000So, you see, we've actually lost something bigger than just, oh, they've created a tamperable system.
00:16:38.000And this is an important point because people think when they want to solve it, they go, oh, let's just build a more secure computer.
00:16:46.000But it doesn't actually solve it until you put the public back in control.
00:16:50.000But then you find out with the computers, with the systems, they've set it up so they can remotely access it and cover up they were even there.
00:16:57.000Then you go get the trash in county after county and you get the real paperwork that shows that it was the opposite of what they said.
00:17:07.000I mean you have caught them and people have gone to jail for rigging elections and we know what's going on and they've It's just so amazing to watch.
00:17:17.000But what they will do, you see, is just make it harder to catch them by making it so that we can see even less information.
00:17:24.000Or they have... Their solution is going to be, let's hide more information.
00:17:47.000I have less polite words for it, but let's call it that.
00:17:51.000And you see, it's like running out the clock.
00:17:54.000It's like if in basketball you could, you know, commit a foul and say oops and then run out the clock and get your basket anyway and then say, but my basket still counts because it was an accident that I ran over that guy.
00:18:07.000You know, elections are all about running out the clock.
00:18:11.000So, in politics, they do anything they can get away with and say, oops, if they possibly can.
00:18:17.000And so they like to set things up so that it has plausible deniability.
00:18:25.000In New Mexico, in the primary, now, we have the voting machines.
00:18:32.000That was pushed in through this Help America Vote Act.
00:18:34.000Yeah, where the Feds pay to put the fraud machines in.
00:18:37.000In 2004, it's in the film, Kerry even admitted that, well wait a minute, the exit polls all show I won, but I won everywhere except where we have the computer machines, and everywhere there he lost.
00:18:58.000The second part is going to come to play for the first time in 2008.
00:19:03.000And that is, in addition to having the voting machines, we now have, for the first time in every state, a statewide centralized database of the voters.
00:19:15.000Now, these databases could really be messed with in New Mexico in the primary, A whole bunch of people couldn't vote because they weren't on the list.
00:19:23.000We're always coming... We gave you the wrong list.
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00:23:43.000Okay, let's go right back to Bev Harris.
00:23:55.000As she continues to break down the different ways they're disenfranchising voters, not just a person.
00:24:03.000Not just at the ballot box, but keeping them from getting To the ballot box, and then I want to go through all the evidence of tampering and where she sees this election going up that we're less than a month away from.
00:24:15.000Yeah, well it's not even... You know, people often talk about these voter lists as keeping people from the ballots, but it's actually worse than that.
00:24:24.000What they have is the ability to turn on and off people's eligibility in the middle of an election.
00:24:32.000Let me kind of run down some examples that I have been able to prove out, okay?
00:24:38.000In Georgia, in 2006, elderly people, senior citizens, were coming into the polls and they were trying to vote and they were told, you've already voted.
00:24:51.000And of course, so that would disenfranchise them, right?
00:24:53.000Well, some of the elderly people really asserted themselves and they said, no, you know, I know I haven't voted, And so they would call up and ask what to do, the poll workers.
00:25:04.000This is according to the poll workers' own notes.
00:25:06.000And they were told, tell them to come back this afternoon.
00:25:10.000So the senior citizens came back that afternoon, and lo and behold, they said, oh, you can vote, you haven't already voted.
00:25:17.000Now what that tells you, they were using an electronic poll book, which was interfacing with the electronic database that's held by the state now, that's centralized.
00:25:27.000And what that tells you is that they were able to turn on and off these people's eligibility during the middle of the vote.
00:25:34.000So they would have a bunch of eligibility turned off, targeting senior citizens, thinking they might forget or not be assertive, I suppose.
00:25:42.000And if they asserted themselves, they could turn it back on again.
00:25:46.000Now, in Lake County, Indiana, and this, I think what we need to look at these databases as is a room full of on and off switches.
00:25:56.000In Lake County, Indiana, they had a number of absentee ballots, which they had ruled ineligible.
00:26:02.000They come in, and all of a sudden, one day, they see that, this is shortly after the election, they see that they're all eligible, because the absentee ballots, whether they're eligible or ineligible, is in a computer program now.
00:26:16.000And all these ineligibles were made eligible.
00:26:20.000So they contacted the state because they knew they didn't do it in Lake County, Indiana.
00:26:26.000It was done remotely from the state database.
00:26:29.000The vendor for the state database admitted it and said they were just testing something.
00:26:40.000Basically, you have someone at a switchboard Who can activate and deactivate absentee ballots in the middle of an election during the count, and you have somebody who can activate and deactivate a person's eligibility to vote in the middle of election day.
00:26:58.000That's what these voter databases are really enabling.
00:27:04.000Now Bev, there are also other things like, and it's always in key demographics, if Democrats are controlling a county or a voting district, magically in the Republican areas they'll give them a tenth of the machines that are needed for the average voter turnout.
00:27:22.000But then in the Democratic areas, there'll be plenty of machines.
00:27:26.000Vice versa, like Ohio, in areas where they know it's going to go 9 to 1, say a black area, for John Kerry, magically there's two machines for 10,000 people.
00:27:36.000And then in the Republican area, there's a machine for every thousand.
00:27:39.000So there's all sorts of tricks that are being played here.
00:27:42.000And then you also expose weird cash payments by the Republican Party that are made to Diebold and others at a county-by-county basis that aren't campaign contributions right before elections.
00:28:37.000What they did was they decided that everybody had to go out and buy these touchscreen and DRE voting machines in Texas.
00:28:43.000You use a lot of heart, which is a dial-a-vote thing.
00:28:46.000And it takes a certain amount of time for each person to vote on those machines because they have to monopolize the machine while they're on it.
00:28:53.000It's not like the paper ballots where they can go off in a corner and then just run it through later.
00:28:58.000Well, what they did not anticipate is an election that might have a higher turnout.
00:29:03.000So they only allocated not even enough money to buy the machines and not enough to buy the machines for a high turnout.
00:29:16.000I want to get into what you see happening in the election in 27 days.
00:29:22.000In hindsight, integrating information we have from the primaries just six, seven months ago and all the shenanigans and activities we saw there.
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00:32:51.000Okay, Bev Harris, we've only got about 20 minutes left with you.
00:32:55.000Let's break down the rest of the story.
00:33:00.000As they say, people can find out more at blackboxvoting.org.
00:33:04.000They can also go to Amazon and other places and buy the great film, Hacking Democracy.
00:33:08.000If you don't have HBO, it's airing every couple days on HBO.
00:33:11.000Watch it and understand it's far worse than even that film covers.
00:33:16.000But, again, we need more Americans like Bev Harris and her cohorts going out, digging through the trash, always finding bad stuff at these voting systems companies, at the counties where the voting's happening.
00:33:27.000Go through the fraud we saw in the primary, what you see it building up to now, other facets, other areas we haven't gotten into, and then most importantly, solutions.
00:33:35.000I mean, the positive news that I've got for everybody here today is this.
00:33:45.000Ten years ago, you'd see polls, almost no one thought it was election fraud.
00:33:49.000Now, over 90% of major polls say they know it's a fraud.
00:33:52.000So the good news is, the establishment is not selling the lie that they're not engaging in orchestrated takeovers.
00:33:58.000So before you leave us, let's get into that.
00:34:00.000You can tackle that positive thing now, but let's continue to expose what's happening, where you see things going, and then, as I said, solutions.