Alex Jones speaks with Robert Grodin, the JFK Assassination insider, about the new E Howard Hunt audio tape and the new evidence surrounding the assassination of John F. Kennedy Jr. on November 22, 1963. Alex Jones is joined by the man who got the copy of the Zabruder film and leaked it out to the public, and the person who leaked the photos of the back of JFK s head being blown off.
00:00:31.000Robert Grodin is He's going to be joining us for two hours now.
00:00:38.000Robert Grodin is probably the JFK assassination insider.
00:00:43.000He's the guy that well got the copy of the Zabruder film and leaked it out to the public.
00:00:51.000He's the person that leaked out the photos of the back of Kennedy's head, blown off.
00:00:56.000He was uniquely placed to expose all that.
00:00:59.000He was the chief consultant and expert Uh, Jim Marshall brought the screenplay and consulted as well, but he was the chief consultant on the Oliver Stone film, JFK.
00:01:14.000And I've been consulting with him and working with him on my JFK film.
00:01:18.000It's about continuity of government, the fascist connection, uh, the new E. Howard Hunt revelations, but only... Again, it gets into areas never before covered as part of the JFK assassination.
00:01:32.000But now we have the vast majority, more than 90% of the American people in all major polls believing the government killed Kennedy.
00:01:59.000I kept meaning to put a mini-film together before we even put it in Black Sunshine, the Continuity of Government slash JFK film I'm making, that Grodin, by the way, is going to be in as well, with some new revelations, by the way.
00:02:16.000But, um, I kept meaning to get around to putting this video out.
00:02:22.000Well, we finally in the last week edited it together with some other video and images and documents.
00:02:30.000You know, there's the audio tape released a year ago and the Rolling Stone covering the handwritten notes where E. Howard Hunt admitted to being involved with the assassination of JFK.
00:02:43.000We'd always known that had been picked up as one of the tramps.
00:04:37.000And we kind of released it with a whimper, not a bang, last night.
00:04:41.000We even put on the YouTube video that it's a world-exclusive and never-before-seen.
00:04:45.000We're so used to just being so close to bombshell information that we, I think, lose perspective on just how important the work is that we are doing, and all the glory goes to God, and thank God for his guidance and protection.
00:04:55.000All right, we'll be right back with a bunch of other news in your phone calls.
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00:08:07.000There's a 14-minute video up on PrisonPlanet.tv for present planet TV members in high quality.
00:08:34.000We also have the YouTube videos posted for free, where you can go watch the world-exclusive footage.
00:08:44.000I'm going to air some of that audio right now, and then later in the show I'm going to air all of it for those listening on AM and FM dials four-wave satellite.
00:08:51.000Or those that have computers but are out driving around in their cars and can't watch the video.
00:08:55.000I'm going to play all the audio, 14 minutes of it, coming up later in the broadcast today.
00:09:01.000I've got some financial news and a lot of other important info.
00:09:05.000Human-animal hybrid clone info coming up.
00:09:10.000But right now, let's go ahead and just play a few minutes of the never before heard or seen E. Howard Hunt.
00:09:25.000I could just visualize Harvey and LBJ forming a kind of a thieves compact between them.
00:09:37.000But I think if LBJ was an opportunist and if he had not hesitated To get rid of obstacles in his way.
00:09:52.000I think his later career exemplified that.
00:09:57.000The Vice President had the most to gain.
00:10:01.000And he was in a position where he could bring in people like Cornmire and others of interest and get their take on different things and then in turn issue There was nobody with the leverage that LBJ had.
00:10:30.000He was the Vice President, and if he wanted to get rid of the President, then he had the ability to do so by corrupting different people in the CIA.
00:10:49.000With the limitations of the CIA because there was no other group that honored, if I could use that term, that honored the clandestine limitations the way CIA did.
00:11:05.000They could do something, turn their back on it, move on to something else.
00:11:58.000It was very important to him that he take advantage as to the extent that he could as Vice President because just a few things had to be accomplished He had to kill Kennedy, or have him killed, I should say, and be guilt-free himself.
00:12:24.000Then he could go on and do what he wanted to do as President of the United States.
00:12:33.000It was a very tempting and almost illogical Move on his part.
00:12:55.000I mean, I can't believe in my life that this radio show, the films we make, that, I mean, we've got people like Jesse Ventura and Willie Nelson talking about the government blowing up the towers and German defense ministers and high-level members of Japanese parliament and
00:13:13.000Hollywood stars like Charlie Sheen and film directors like Rick Linklater on there telling us that we've woken up Bruce Willis and in my strange life we just nonchalantly have videotapes lying around that nobody's ever seen with him spilling his guts seeing Howard Hunt of course that's admitted with the TV show and then films it's Ethan Hunt Mission Impossible that's modeled
00:13:43.000After him, the most famous CIA black op commander in history.
00:13:49.000And it's just very strange that this information is coming out.
00:15:06.000E. Howard Hunt was taking orders from the President.
00:15:08.000That's as high as the chain of command went for him.
00:15:11.000It's like if you have a Mafia Capo taking orders from a Don, and the Don's had a meeting a few months before, and the Capo running the hit wasn't privy to the meeting of the Mafia Chiefs.
00:15:26.000So he knows the Mafia Chief that they were getting orders from.
00:15:54.000And then it's, oh, you know, they're covering up for the New World Order.
00:15:58.000They're saying they only want it to LBJ.
00:16:01.000When, in the videos we've released and the radio interviews we did, we pointed out that It was Nixon involved and a bunch of other people, and then above them Rothschilds and Rockefellers and the CFR.
00:16:13.000And the oil family, the hunts out of Texas.
00:16:19.000I mean, it's just incredible to be on the field, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, just trying to expose the New World Order.
00:16:31.000And so, I mean, this is a very important story.
00:16:33.000And it needs to be seen, it needs to go viral on the web, so I'm enlisting our wonderful listeners and activists out there.
00:16:42.000Do your own reports on your own blogs, and call them to talk radio shows, and email this to talk shows, and tell them to talk about it, and cover it, and deal with it, because people always say, well, a conspiracy like 9-11, or Gulf of Tonkin, or USS Liberty, or JFK, you know, people would talk!
00:17:28.000The media starts trying to discredit it and suddenly he dies and they won't say why he died or another witness who saw bombs going off, he dies.
00:18:20.000They're setting up a trilateral world currency and a world government run by the banks where you pay carbon tax Where you pay carbon taxes to the private banks.
00:18:33.000And the CPS really does grab over a million children a year without due process criminally.
00:18:40.000Government really does test pesticides and chemicals and drugs that kill children, foster children.
00:19:31.000The Pentagon pension funds, the investments, and then the Meyers and Rumsfeld two years ago, they just got up and said, we're not going to tell you where it is!
00:20:31.000I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
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00:23:59.000Seems like yesterday, but it was long ago.
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00:25:14.000As I enter the last segment, I'm telling you folks, you need to reset, all of us do, myself included, and just realize how incrementally the tyranny is intensifying all around us.
00:25:29.000I mean, they're putting body scanners that our mainstream media even admits are basically Electronic strip searches, they're storing images of our naked bodies, the humiliation, all in the name of stopping terrorism that the rulers of this planet themselves are conducting against us, so we will acquiesce to being slaves.
00:26:29.000Then I realized they could go ahead and do it anytime they still do it.
00:26:33.000To many people that are prominent, just to scare people into submission.
00:26:36.000Then I realized, for the weak, for the innocent, for humanity, that's why we even exist, is because people fought and stood up against tyranny before us.
00:26:45.000Everything good in the world is because people have sacrificed.
00:26:48.000And I'm committed, and that's the good feeling here, is that there's no going back, once you're on the road to liberty, and justice, and freedom.
00:26:58.000Once you set yourself against the dark side, there is no turning back.
00:27:02.000There is no turning back on this road.
00:27:05.000There's a lot of news here, but let's just go ahead and go to your calls now.
00:27:44.000Except the Rolling Stone, and then they wrote a story about St.
00:27:47.000John Hunt, and then kind of the last paragraph said, oh, by the way, there's handwritten notes and audio tapes of his dad saying they ran the operation to kill Kennedy.
00:27:57.000And then the media said, oh, that isn't real.
00:27:59.000And so he released it, you know, the audio here on this show and on Coast to Coast AM and a few others.
00:28:05.000And then now for the first time, you see the video itself.
00:28:09.000So, of course, the establishment I mean, the Chicago Tribune and a few other publications reported that the NSA declassified, CIA declassified earlier this year that it's true, Israel knowingly attacked the ship.
00:28:23.000They have the NSA intercepts where Israel knew.
00:28:25.000And what the pilot said about five years ago, they had an Israeli pilot apologize on Israeli TV and broke down crying and said, I refuse three times.
00:28:41.000You know, so we already had his testimony, but now it's backed up by the declassified NSA intercepts.
00:28:46.000So, but you'd think that would have become big national news that, oh, hey, all these books written, all these TV shows written by the establishment to debunk the men on that ship and the admirals and others on the aircraft carriers that had told the truth.
00:29:01.000And the later chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Moore, saying it was an inside job.
00:29:08.000You know, they don't want to admit they've been totally disproven.
00:29:11.000Just like they called us conspiracy theorists on Tonkin, wrote books, had TV shows debunking that Tonkin wasn't staged with the Destroyers, and now it's declassified and the LBJ tapes are released.
00:29:26.000So, no, they're not going to... People always say, where's the smoking gun?
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00:34:08.000The mesmerized public convinced for decades that there was no evil in government, no corruption.
00:34:14.000The government couldn't tie its shoelaces.
00:34:18.000There were no powerful interests, that nobody wanted to rule them or dominate them, nobody wanted to rule the world.
00:34:26.000And even as they set up their open world government, foreign by the banks, even as with one Side of their mouth, they admit they're doing it.
00:34:37.000Going back to your phone calls, Scott in Arizona, finish up what you were saying.
00:34:41.000Okay, Adam, my other question is about the Biden-Powell comments about what's going on with, you know, they're talking about a crisis that will happen coming up in the new year.
00:34:54.000Do you believe that they're just doing fear-mongering, or do you believe that something will come up before then, or do you think that after that comes to pass, or is it more fear-mongering?
00:35:35.000And I do see them preparing the public again.
00:35:38.000The problem is they have done it so much in the last seven years since they staged the 9-11 attacks, seven years plus, that there's really no telling what they're going to do.
00:35:53.000I mean, the economic crisis is an economic 9-11.
00:36:26.000I mean just unbelievable sneak attacks.
00:36:29.000I mean, even high-intensity with artillery bombardments, but it started with low-intensity, point-blank commando-type attack.
00:36:39.000I mean, that's just as dirty as it gets.
00:36:42.000And then they had such disdain for the American people, the people of the world, that our media, Put the Georgian puppet president on TV saying, we've been snuck attacked, help us, help us.
00:37:30.000They said close to 4 billion people were able to tune in?
00:37:33.000And then they launched preemptive attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan and All the bold things they've done here, and the bold sneak attack on Russia.
00:37:43.000I mean, just the sky's the limit with these people!
00:37:45.000They're geared up for bio-attacks that they'll undoubtedly in the future release.
00:37:50.000Betraying us to have a controlled society.
00:37:54.000I mean, and people don't want to hear this.
00:37:56.000They're like, oh that's scary, I don't want to hear it.
00:37:58.000They're the ones saying it's going to happen, and we know they're the ones that have done it over and over again.
00:38:01.000There's no doubt that the White House sent the anthrax letters.
00:38:37.000I mean, I'd pray for a boss hog corruption compared to this.
00:38:40.000Just looting and stealing and, you know, doing old-fashioned stuff that government does, and that's bad, but that's to almost be expected in history.
00:38:49.000But to have a hardcore, scientific, focused, vicious system You know, that puts out these George Bush puppets, and Bill Clinton puppets, and Barack Obama puppets, and the public thinks they actually run something, and it all becomes about the personality, and Saturday Night Live making jokes about them, and, oh, the leaders are just idiots, and, you know, the environmentalists are just morons.
00:39:09.000Well, yeah, they take your farm or ranch.
00:39:58.000And you go and look out the window and you see flames coming out of the attic of your neighbor's house.
00:40:04.000And you run out front, you wait for a second, you're on your cordless phone, you call 9-1-1, some other neighbors are walking out in their pajamas, in their bathrobes, and you see smoke start coming out of, you know, now the top floor of the two-story house, and a couple minutes have gone by, and you notice there's a couple lights on in the house, and you go bang on the door, and somebody comes to the door with a nightcap on, rubbing their eyes, and you say, hey, your house on fire, get out, get out, you know, get your family, your children, get your animals out, and they say, hey, be positive!
00:40:42.000And they're like, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist.
00:40:44.000No, I'm just going to think positive and I'm going to go back and get back in bed.
00:40:48.000And in fact, please don't wake me up again or I'll call the police on you.
00:40:52.000And you're like, no, no, no, please, your house is on fire.
00:40:56.000And so you say, well, I'm not going to stand here and let this happen.
00:40:58.000Now, most Americans have been conditioned to stand by nowadays, but I mean, my neighbor was acting this psychopathic and was this mesmerized or uh... hypnotized by whatever to knock them out of the house, I'd go ahead and if they slammed the door in my face, I'd kick it down and start physically grabbing them and trying to get the house clear.
00:41:19.000And then imagine in this corrupt system the police and fire department pull up and they would come up and tase me and say, oh he's insane, send him to the mental institution as the house collapses down and burns the family to death.
00:41:31.000I mean everything we're talking about is documented, admitted on the record And we have our own movement in denial.
00:41:39.000I was sent a YouTube video last night and in my email and I clicked on it about midnight and it was our... and I was reading the comments and I followed them back and it was quote, other patriots, other truth tellers saying, oh Alex Jones, you know, he's a David Icke nut now.
00:42:01.000Look at him making stuff up about goblin people.
00:42:06.000Now, I was reading what was in a bunch of British newspapers, and it had the quote by the scientist saying, humans are splitting into two different species, you know, this tall, blonde-haired, blue-eyed superman and these little goblin-like creatures.
00:42:24.000But the person took the clip and said, oh look, he's making it up that there's goblin people, he's insane!
00:42:33.000That's why I only played about 10 seconds of the clip.
00:42:36.000But it wasn't the individual that was criticizing me.
00:43:52.000Well, the point is, I'll find the article.
00:43:54.000It's hard to do while I'm here talking on air, but if you type in Humanity, I think, is the headline, is split into two different species.
00:44:03.000It was when the sign of a report came out by a prestigious institution, it was in a whole bunch of newspapers.
00:44:14.000You know, that's just like if I'm... Well, I still have people emailing me saying, you're lying, there's no such thing as part human, part animal clones.
00:44:26.000And I remember ten years ago, Yeah, it was more than that.
00:44:32.000It was 1997, seeing BBC headlines about how they'd already created animal-human clones, but they had just terminated them in the embryonic phase.
00:44:43.000And of course, obviously, that's just what they're publicly saying.
00:44:47.000And I've told the stories of people coming up to me on the street, one time in a restaurant, The guy tapped me on the shoulder, I was picking up pizza, and he said, I used to listen to you, but now I know you're a liar.
00:44:57.000There's no such thing as part goat, part spiders.
00:45:23.000This is, um, Agency French Press lawmakers back animal-human embryo research.
00:45:29.000The lower house of parliament approved legislation Wednesday allowing scientists to create animal-human embryos for medical research in the biggest shake-up of embryo laws in two decades.
00:45:38.000I mean, they were doing this in England and the U.S.
00:45:43.000Despite opposition from religious and pro-life groups, members of Parliament and the House of Commons, back the Human Embryology and Fertilization Bill 355, votes to 129, it will now go to the vote of the House of Lords and could be law by November.
00:45:58.000They'll just cut out me talking about goblin creatures, human cow creatures, and then just say, look at how he's insane, but then people in our quote, own awakening movement will say, yeah, Alex is making it up.
00:46:45.000Well, I'm calling today because I've been following the case of Berg v. Obama, and I think it's taken some very interesting turns of late, with the Obama camp unable to, or not replying in time to Berg's allegations that Obama was born in Kenya, which is a de facto admission of the charges.
00:47:02.000So, what is your take on where this whole case is going?
00:47:05.000I know Corsi's in Hawaii right now checking into it.
00:47:10.000uh... in the next few days and uh... you know what that that isn't even the reason that that obama's bad he's bad because both the candidates are controlled by the new world order but he's gotten three times the wall street four times the goldman sachs money that mccain's got that's all you know they ran that chipmunk uh... nut Or the Albino chipmunk?
00:47:35.000Yes, against, and I don't want to be mean to Albinos.
00:47:37.000The point is, I got pretty white skin myself.
00:47:39.000The point is, is that they are running him like they ran Bob Dole against Clinton in 96.
00:47:50.000And by the time they figure out they've been taken for a ride by Barack Obama, there'll be a new Republican savior for them.
00:47:57.000And then when they figure out they're being taken for a ride there, and you know, now I'm a right-wing fascist because I don't like Obama, and just a few months ago I was a hardcore commie, according to the neocons, because I didn't like Bush.
00:48:11.000So, for 48 years I'm now going to be a right-wing fascist, and then in 48 years, when it's a Republican, I'll be a commie again.
00:48:18.000You know, it's just the public's gotta learn.
00:48:21.000But the good news is, in the past, they were fooled by the left-right bait-and-switch.
00:48:25.000When Congress has got an 11% approval rating, and in these polls, it's only about 60% saying they're gonna vote for either candidate, so that's like 30-something for Obama and 20-something for McCain.
00:48:36.000I mean, neither one of them have a majority support out there.
00:48:39.000So, the good news is, the people know.
00:48:41.000They're just hoping things get better with Obama.
00:48:55.000I've been posting this question on Yahoo Answers, and so far I see about one in eight are saying, yeah, this definitely needs to be looked into further.
00:49:30.000This guy, and I'm not bashing Muslims or people with foreign names, but, I mean, if his name was, you know, David Jones or Tom Jones, and he was a black guy, and his family had been here for 100 years, 200 years, people would trust him a lot more.
00:49:43.000I mean, I don't trust Schwarzenegger, because, you know, he's a foreigner, his daddy was a Nazi.
00:49:47.000And I made a film about that, and I get emails saying you're anti-German when I'm, you know, half-Germanic.
00:49:54.000But the point is, Alsatian and German.
00:49:56.000I was a French-German and German on both sides of my mother's family.
00:49:59.000But, I mean, you know, I'm against Schwarzenegger and because, you know, questionable ties, and I'm definitely against Obama because, I mean, the guy did have a foreign daddy.
00:50:27.000My concern was kind of with the Constitution, like, you know, if this gets through, it'll, it seems like it'll kind of circumvent the Constitution without due process of law by allowing a foreigner to become president.
00:50:39.000And I was wondering, you know, if that happens, do you think that will go through, like, will that almost be like a commonality where foreigners can be elected president?
00:50:50.000Well, notice Schwarzenegger is saying Palin can't be president.
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00:52:24.000investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S.
00:52:31.000I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
00:52:34.000Bin Laden's connections to the CIA, the hijacker's ties to the FBI, the Saudi Arabian connection, the Israeli intelligence network, warnings and war games, the shadow government, and much, much more.
00:55:59.000I have to reference the television show, The X-Files, in the episode, Musings of a Cigarette-Smoking Man, when the person that was called to take out Kennedy sitting in the waiting room, they reference him and say, all right, you can go in now, Mr. Hunt.
00:56:12.000I believe they're referencing him as he was the one that was in the sewer that pulled the trigger.
00:56:24.000when there was a secret war in China before the war even got fully declared and he was a top sniper in World War II against the Japanese in China.
00:56:48.000Yeah, I mean, I mean, the guy was there from the ground floor.
00:56:51.000So yes, he is a black op commander who started out in the field, uh, sniping, uh, it's classified how many confirmed kills he had, but yes, top sniper.
00:57:03.000And, uh, just real quick, The series, The X-Files, how relevant do you believe that show is?
00:57:08.000I'm wondering where they got most of that information from, because most of the show is really before the internet got huge in the early 90s, 94, 95, when Operation Paperclip was one of the episodes on The X-Files.
00:57:20.000What they do is they mix Operation Paperclip and GMO, Deadly Sunflowers, and All this real stuff with purple-green pus-head aliens and worm creatures and devil cults and chubacabras.
00:57:34.000And so then it kind of discredits the whole thing.
00:57:36.000But I've talked to several people high-level with the X-Files, one of them on air, Dean Haglund, who's also not just a star in X-Files, but also a star in the Lone Gunman, the spinoff.
00:57:47.000And I got a call a couple years ago, and most people have already heard this story, but you may not if you're asking a question.
00:57:56.000And I get a call, and it's, um, uh, hi, uh, this is Dean Haglin.
00:58:03.000I was given your number by a radio producer I was a guest on, KLBJ, uh, 93.7, and I told him I'm a fan of you and I'd like to talk to you.
00:58:12.000Can I, can I, uh, come by and see you?
01:00:38.000We may have a surprise guest in the fourth hour today, but regardless, we're taking your calls all day covering the news.
01:00:47.000Finishing up with Mike in Florida, I was telling the story, he was saying, you know, the X-Files had so much stuff that's really happened, so many real things, like getting the Nazis into the U.S., Operation Paperclip.
01:00:57.000I was talking about how they were doing that as disinformation, to try to integrate Chupacabras and space aliens and things that can't be proven and probably aren't real, in the case of Chupacabras, and with real things, that discredits it all.
01:01:10.000But Dean Hagelin calls, wants to talk to me, the star of both TV shows, one of the stars, shows up and says, listen, and the video interview I did at my house is up on PrisonPlanet.tv, it's also all over the web.
01:01:21.000Then later we had him in studio, he came back a year later, in the studio where I sit, and he had seen my report about how The first episode of The Lone Gunman, the new X-Files series, six months before 9-11, a criminal group inside the Pentagon and defense contractors hijack a jumbo jet by remote control to fly to the World Trade Center.
01:01:44.000They use a drill of hijacked jets flying into the tower to make NORAD stand down.
01:01:49.000They're going to blame it on Afghan rebels so they can smart bomb them and start World War III and have arms sales and invade the Middle East and Central Asia.
01:01:57.000Now, I mean, how would you make a report, make a movie, where basically exactly what happened, happened?
01:02:05.000Now, that blew him away, and he said, listen, I talked to Chris Carter and others, and the CIA and NASA and others would come to him and say, hey, here's a script, here's an idea, we'd like to see you incorporate this.
01:02:18.000And he wouldn't go any further than that.
01:03:51.000Evolutionary theorist Oliver Currie of the London School of Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass to emerge.
01:03:58.000People would become choosier about their sexual partners, causing humanity to delve and divide into two subspecies, he added.
01:04:05.000The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and far cry from the underclass humans, who would have evolved into a dim-witted, ugly, squat, goblin-like creature.
01:04:16.000And then it shows an artist's rendering of the superhumans versus the goblin creature.
01:04:20.000I have to say, a lot of the public actually looks like the goblin creature now, from McDonald's and the rest of it.
01:04:25.000But, uh, and then I was saying, that all comes from H.G.
01:04:28.000Wells and other futurists and theorists, uh, in non-fiction books they wrote.
01:05:24.000investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S.
01:05:31.000I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
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01:08:13.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:08:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:08:24.000He doesn't like talking about himself, and I'm going to make him talk about himself so you understand the magnitude of the depth and breadth of knowledge that he has.
01:08:37.000I mean, there's no one living that I know who's been this close to the case.
01:08:42.000He was the chief advisor and researcher on the film JFK.
01:08:49.000Just an amazing individual, Robert J. Grodin.
01:08:54.000I think it's important for him to tell you where he was the day it happened, how he got involved, what he saw.
01:09:02.000He even has some other evidence that is no secret of the government he has, and it'll be out in the new book he's making.
01:09:09.000I would be scared to death to even have this.
01:09:30.000He ended up building a whole chain of funeral homes across the country.
01:09:33.000And we interviewed him here in studio.
01:09:38.000We were going to come interview him the next week and he got run off the road and almost killed an hour before we were going to interview him at his house.
01:09:45.000I'm not saying that was the government, but St.
01:09:47.000John Hunt out on a lonely road had a car come up and basically bump his bumper, pull around him, try to run him off the cliffs in Northern California.
01:09:55.000He got home, his whole house was torn apart, papers stolen, everything rifled through, nothing taken but papers.
01:10:02.000I mean, this is, you get around this Kennedy thing, It's like when I cover Bilderberg this year and we got death threats and women calling up saying I've gotten them pregnant to my wife and dirty tricks.
01:10:12.000I mean, that's when you know how real this is.
01:10:14.000So, getting into this JFK thing, I've always had guests on the cover, but making a film and really getting into it, 45 years later, they are still all over it to protect the system because the sons and grandsons and some of the still living people involved are alive and in the power structure.
01:10:33.000And I think Bruce Willis said it best after he woke up from seeing my films.
01:10:37.000He told Vanity Fair that the same people that killed Kennedy are the ones running the shadow government and running things in 9-11 today.
01:11:22.000And I somehow felt connected to it that way and started researching it and investigating everything that was available about it from the beginning.
01:11:33.000And in 1969, through absolute luck, there was no magic powers involved in this thing.
01:11:43.000I actually got to work on the original Zapruder film and was able to blow it up from 8mm to 35mm and then to use different techniques on the film to steady it, to stabilize the image, slow it down so that the eye could comprehend what was in it.
01:12:05.000And I kept very quiet about it because it was very plain for anybody to see who would see the film that the shot came from the front, struck the president in the right temple and threw him to the rear.
01:12:18.000So I kept quiet about it except to a very select handful of researchers within the research community, the credible ones.
01:12:27.000And I got talked into showing it at Georgetown University in November of 73 for the 10th anniversary.
01:12:36.000And I showed it and there was a big response to it at the time, but it remained within that context.
01:12:44.000And then in February of 1975, I was asked to show it again at Boston University.
01:12:51.000At a major conference called the Politics of Conspiracy.
01:12:55.000This time it was picked up as a national news story and it broke the case wide open.
01:13:02.000Within days I was asked to present the evidence before Congress and I did.
01:13:07.000And Congressman Tom Downing of Virginia introduced legislation to reopen the Kennedy case based on what the film, the photographic evidence showed.
01:13:16.000He had me named Staff Photographic Consultant to the House Assassinations Committee.
01:13:20.000That's right, a lot of Americans don't know that the House later found, what they say, 95% sure it was a conspiracy, a government killing.
01:13:30.000I mean, the average American doesn't know that the Congress has even found that.
01:13:42.000Since then, there has been peer review of that evidence, and that peer review of the evidence has increased it from 95% or greater to 98% or greater.
01:13:50.000Just to digress, because I interrupted, but before I forget this, what did you think when the Dallas Morning News came out and said, yeah, it's been looked at?
01:14:09.000I mean, it's just childish how ridiculous it is that Los Alamos looks at it and says it's a conspiracy and the acoustics show they killed him multiple shots, you know.
01:14:19.000I mean, it's incredible, but I'm sorry, continue with, you've gotten up to testifying to Congress.
01:14:25.000Well, the first group that I testified to was the Rockefeller Commission.
01:15:26.000Sure, but we're going to get into that later because it's very important.
01:15:29.000But I want to first, again, your whole saga, your whole journey, you know, now every week for years down there at the Grassy Knoll in downtown Dallas.
01:15:37.000I mean, you're probably the most dedicated person, because I've really been more deeply studying the JFK assassination intensely for the last year or so.
01:15:45.000I'd always looked at it, read a lot of books, interviewed a lot of experts, but it wasn't until I really more deeply researched that I realized how prolific and how dedicated you've been.
01:16:47.000The Sixth Floor Museum, which now exists in the old Texas School Book Depository building, their mandate was to present all sides of the issue fairly and equally.
01:16:58.000Well, obviously they have not done that.
01:17:00.000They sold out very early on and will only present the Warrant Commission side of the story.
01:17:05.000uh... it's absolutely uh... horrendous what they've done the amount of damage that they've done through the years people that have uh... for decades been on our side of the issue to try to get the truth out uh... now you can't get them to admit that there was a conspiracy in spite of all the evidence so they present only the war commission side and they were winning by default i thought there needed to be a voice of reason on the other side down here so my wife and i made the decision that i would move down here
01:17:35.000And carry the standard as it will, and present the evidence to visitors to Dealey Plaza so that they will know that there is an alternative to the official fiction.
01:17:46.000And that's where I've been now for 15 years.
01:17:48.000Is it safe to say you've talked to a million people down there?
01:18:41.000The city manager, the Dallas city manager gave orders to the police to come and arrest me.
01:18:45.000They've sent in Homeland Security with machine guns saying I was a terrorist.
01:18:54.000This has been going on for quite some time and if I wasn't right that wouldn't be happening.
01:19:04.000It's just incredible and that's when you really know that you're on to something is when you Get the threats, the harassment, not just dealing with police harassment, and then we'll go through all the evidence itself on the case, physical evidence.
01:19:19.000But I think that some of the strongest evidence is the threats, the harassment, the deaths, and I want to talk about those when we get back.
01:19:27.000I mean, have you ever been threatened, or how many times have you been threatened?
01:19:30.000Well, I've been threatened quite a bit.
01:19:32.000The phone threats are one thing, but the actual attacks in the plaza are something else again.
01:19:39.000There was one time when I was in the plaza and a guy came up with a hunting knife and tried to stab me.
01:19:44.000We stopped him, we caught him, called the police four times.
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01:26:34.000The flow of information gets so muddied and so confusing that people that want to learn the truth have such a hard time trying to work their way through all the garbage that's out there.
01:26:47.000They just get tired of it and many walk away.
01:26:49.000There's a lot of intriguing stuff that sounds good, sounds interesting, but isn't.
01:27:01.000Even researchers in the case that know what they're talking about get confused with some of the... Well, we're going to get into that, and from your view, Robert Grodin's unique and well-documented view of what really happened.
01:27:12.000But let's talk about harassment threats.
01:27:15.000I think all the murders is, again, more evidence of the fact that it was an inside job.
01:27:41.000Everyone's familiar with the stuff at the end of the movie, Executive Action, where they talk about the first 18 or 19 or 20 people being killed.
01:27:51.000But that's all we knew about at the time.
01:27:53.000We've learned, since then, a great, great deal more have actually died because of it.
01:28:00.000And yes, of course, there's a certain A percentage of them that are natural causes, there's no question about that.
01:28:07.000Just because somebody witnessed the Kennedy assassination or was connected in some minor way to it, doesn't mean they're going to live forever.
01:28:15.000But there's a disproportionate number of unsolved homicides, questionable deaths, situations where there should have been autopsies and were not.
01:29:05.000He learned early on that the Warren Commission did not want to know what he had to say.
01:29:09.000And whenever he started talking about what he saw, they would always lead him away from it.
01:29:13.000He said he realized they didn't want to know, so he kept quiet.
01:29:17.000But then Jim Garrison was going to call him as a witness in the Shaw trial in New Orleans.
01:29:22.000And, uh, that's where the problems began again, because... Yeah, you know, we told Barry Jennings and everybody with the 9-11, with the bombs in the buildings, uh, the deputy head of emergency management, we said, buddy, you better spill it all, or they're gonna kill you.
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01:31:31.000I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
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01:31:53.000either you are with us or you are with the terrorists i had the opportunity to speak to my 90 year old grandmother at some length here recently and she was talking about the great depression we were talking about the gas prices the food prices this economic uncertainty we're in these you know really kind of perilous times I had the opportunity to speak to my 90-year-old grandmother at some length here recently, and she was talking about the Great Depression, and we were talking about the gas prices, the food prices, this economic uncertainty we're in, these really kind of perilous times.
01:32:14.000No one knows where we're headed or where we might end up.
01:32:16.000And she was reminded of the Great Depression and how in those days, folks who lived in the country did okay because they had chicken and eggs and they could grow gardens and can their food, but how difficult it was for people who lived in urban areas or in the cities because they didn't have the landscape for gardening or the know-how, and they didn't have the chickens and the livestock.
01:34:14.000Well, you speak very kindly and I do appreciate that.
01:34:19.000What I would suggest is that the most important evidence that I've been able to develop, except for the Zapruder film itself, of course, which, you know, stands on its own,
01:34:30.000I interviewed, when I worked for the House Assassinations Committee as a photographic researcher, I actually had the opportunity to question and videotape the Dallas doctors who had never spoken before or since about what they had seen.
01:34:51.000And they were unanimous that the fatal shot came from the front.
01:34:56.000Whenever the Discovery Channel or the History Channel or any of those people do any of the horrible excuses for documentaries that they've been showing the last couple of years, please notice that they avoid the Dallas Doctors like the plague.
01:35:16.000The doctors had nothing to gain, nothing on their own.
01:35:19.000In my interviews with them, they were absolutely unanimous that the shot came from the right front.
01:35:26.000And these are people who unfortunately all except six or seven of them now are all dead.
01:35:30.000And the interviews I was able to do with them are the only thing that captured for history their observations.
01:35:37.000So I'd say that that is among the most important of all the evidence that's out there.
01:36:00.000They saw him while he was still breathing, for crying out loud.
01:36:05.000How dare the people on the other side, specifically people like Bouliosi and Posner and the rest of them, how dare they ignore or pretend to ignore the observations of these professional people?
01:36:34.000The idea, for instance, of the single bullet theory, that one bullet went through both men, Governor Connolly and then on, after hitting President Kennedy.
01:36:45.000If you line up the wounds in the President's back and Governor Connolly's back, you find that the wound in the President's throat, which was described by everyone who saw it as an entrance wound in the first place, but even ignoring that, it's six inches too high to go through a flight path.
01:37:02.000And the other side will say, well, we don't have any pictures at the moment of the single bullet, so we don't know how high they were sitting.
01:39:06.000Oh, one thing that's in the new book that you'll find fascinating, at the time when Lee Harvey Oswald was taken to Parkland Hospital in the life-saving efforts to try to save his life, there were seven rolls of film taken of him while he was still breathing and on the operating table.
01:39:25.000Well, these rolls of film were not even processed, weren't even developed until last year.
01:39:55.000Obviously, I knew you were talking about Oswald there.
01:40:00.000Because I have on my mind the photos you have that no one's seen of Kennedy on the table.
01:40:06.000Yeah, there's some that, as a matter of fact, there was one photograph I found in the National Archives when I was working for the House Assassinations Committee that to this day is still not in the official inventory.
01:40:19.000It's a series of black and white photographs taken on 120 format film.
01:40:49.000And describe that for us, and let's go back to Lee Harvey Oswald, because I interrupted, but I mean, I mean, you're happy to, I mean, you can describe it, can't you, before the book comes out?
01:40:57.000I think it's dangerous that you even have now announced that you've, you know, had this at the Knolls so much, and it isn't public.
01:41:02.000I mean, I mean, the whole back of the head is just completely blown out, and that contradicts what they officially said.
01:41:08.000Yes, there's a massive hole in the rear of his head, just slightly larger than a grown man's fist.
01:41:35.000What they actually did, what someone within the government did, is they actually took that photograph And they did something called a soft edge matte insert process.
01:41:46.000And to fool the researchers, not the researchers, but the investigators within the case, within the government, who had the ability to see the photographs, because they still have not been formally released.
01:41:56.000They actually superimposed the back of somebody else's head to disguise this massive exit wound in the rear of his head.
01:42:03.000Uh, we have... Yeah, that's the big issue.
01:42:05.000You have the fake photos that were put out, and then an artist's renderings, and then you have the real ones.
01:42:31.000But instead, when it was taken over by people with connections to the CIA, and unfortunately that is the truth, that's what happened, they dumped that whole aspect of it, started with the preconceived conclusion that Oswald was guilty, and worked from that point.
01:42:48.000They ignored the original concept completely, and when you start with that, the way they did it is they took each individual piece of evidence, And they weighed that individual piece of evidence against the total weight of the Warren report.
01:43:08.000If you take each one and you weigh it and then see which one weighs more and throw out each individual piece, then you end up with nothing.
01:43:16.000But if you took all those individual little pieces and weighed them against the Warren Report, all those pieces far outweigh the Warren Report, but they didn't do it that way.
01:43:26.000So they started with the conclusion that Oswald was guilty, and until they got to the acoustics evidence, that's the way they dealt with it.
01:43:33.000The acoustics evidence was so strong on its own that they couldn't hide it anymore.
01:43:38.000They had to admit that there was a conspiracy.
01:43:41.000But by then, they had thrown away so much supporting evidence That many people feel that the acoustics evidence was all that they had, and that's not true at all.
01:43:50.000They had testimony of a man named Robert Knudsen.
01:43:55.000He was supposed to be on the trip to Dallas, but he had gotten something into his eye and had to see a doctor, so he didn't go.
01:44:03.000But he was called in to play as an autopsy photographer that evening.
01:44:11.000When the President's body was back there, he took photographs, he was there as a witness, and he saw the angles of the shots, he saw the massive wound on the rear of the President's head, and he testified to the House Flood Committee on Assassinations that the photographs and evidence now did not represent the President's head as it was that night.
01:44:32.000And they had that, and they buried it.
01:44:34.000The House Committee never even admitted that they even spoke to Robert Knudsen.
01:44:38.000We didn't find out about that until the Assassination Records Review Board, years and years later.
01:44:44.000Okay, I want to go back, as I interrupted you, when you were talking about Lee Harvey Oswald still being alive.
01:44:49.000Go back over that in a minute, and then finish up.
01:44:52.000Okay, Lee Oswald, you know, the official story, or one of the official stories we've heard through the years, Is that Lee had died on the way to the hospital, that he never survived, that he was dead on arrival when he got to Parkland.
01:45:07.000And they tried and they tried and they tried for an hour to try to revive him and of course they couldn't.
01:45:15.000They were controlling much of the bleeding, although there was a lot of damage done.
01:45:21.000The photographs I have of him, he's cut open, he's lying on the table, they're doing heart massage, they're removing damaged parts of his body.
01:45:53.000So, there's a lot of questions as to his dying.
01:45:57.000Of course, by now, almost everyone who's familiar with the Kennedy case is aware that there was a phone call made to the operating room directly from President Johnson, stating to the doctors that he wanted a confession from Oswald before he died, knowing that he would die.
01:48:02.000They could have subpoenaed Jack Ruby out of the Dallas area, brought him to Washington, where he could have told them the truth about what happened, as he pleaded with them to do.
01:48:14.000They told him they didn't have the power to get him out of here, and Jack Ruby, this petty crook, this mobster who had been involved with Al Capone from the time he was a child until he moved out of the Chicago area, He asked Earl Warren, he says, well, Mr. Chief Justice, you do have subpoena power, don't you?
01:48:37.000And the Chief Justice of the United States, one of the two or three highest ranking law enforcement officials in the world, had to admit that this petty crook had him on a point of law.
01:48:47.000So, you know, they refused to get him out of here.
01:48:50.000They said, Jack, if you feel you're in danger, we can terminate this interview anytime.
01:49:41.000Jack eventually did die, apparently, of cancer.
01:49:46.000But when I was doing research on one of my earlier books, I called up the Sloan-Kettering Cancer Institute in New York, one of the most impressive and best cancer research units in the world, and I asked them how easy it would be to give somebody cancer.
01:50:06.000And they told me that you cannot give a living organism cancer through injection like that.
01:50:12.000And I said, wait a minute, you do it with lab rats every day!
01:50:35.000Let me go ahead, you were making a point.
01:50:36.000No, I was going to say that Lee Oswald, when he was working in the summer of 1963 in New Orleans, was working with the Ochsner Institute that was doing this kind of research on how to give cancers to people that were trying to... Stay there, stay there.
01:50:52.000We're going to come back and talk about that because there was also this obsession down in New Orleans with cancer and giving people cancer, treating cancer.
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01:56:16.000Ostensibly, what they were trying to do was develop a fast-acting cancer that could be given to, of all people, Fidel Castro, and that's what they were investigating and dealing with.
01:56:33.000I feel that the fact that Lee knew so much about this, that he became dangerous.
01:56:39.000He knew far too much about this stuff and needed to be eliminated.
01:56:43.000And when they needed a patsy to blame the assassination on, that's where they chose him.
01:56:48.000He was expendable and they wanted to get rid of him anyway.
01:56:51.000And of course, his background, it's well established that he was a CIA operative.
01:56:58.000Do you know specifically, I know he's been mentioned in some control letters and other things, and he was at the U2 base and sent to Russia, allowed to defect back.
01:57:06.000I mean, that's a no-brainer right there.
01:57:08.000That was an inside job and he was an operative.
01:57:10.000But specifically, who Oswald was in the organization?
01:57:14.000Lee Oswald was apparently a highly trained CIA operative who was, according to these memos and the information that we have, he was actually sent to the Soviet Union on a mission he had no intention of ever defecting.
01:57:35.000And by the way, the other side in some of the later books, actually all along they've been saying it, That Oswald had defected to the Soviet Union.
01:57:45.000Oswald never defected to the Soviet Union.
01:57:47.000He went there, he announced his intention to defect, but he never did.
01:57:54.000And when he wanted to come back to the United States, we brought him back.
01:57:57.000There's no formal record that he was ever debriefed.
01:58:01.000In fact, he was debriefed, certainly, but there's no formal record that he ever was.
01:58:07.000And instead of being arrested and tried as a traitor for giving them the information about the U-2 spy flights, we give him the money to come back.
01:58:15.000He comes back and nothing is ever done to him.
01:58:20.000This alone raises lots and lots and lots of questions as to who you are.
01:58:25.000And then he's married into the white Russian community in Dallas.
01:58:30.000Or friends with the people in the white Russian community.
01:59:15.000investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S.
01:59:21.000I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
01:59:24.000Bin Laden's connections to the CIA, the hijackers' ties to the FBI, the Saudi Arabian connection, the Israeli intelligence network, warnings and war games, the shadow government, and much, much more.
02:00:53.000And we're talking to the man who got the Subruder film out.
02:00:57.000Robert Grodin, he did so much more, and he really is the preeminent individual exposing all of this.
02:01:01.000We're going to go through what really happened that day from all the evidence he has.
02:01:05.000We've been, you know, going into different areas of it, different interesting areas of it.
02:01:10.000Robert Grodin, I mean, do you want to just go ahead now and start, and then I want to take calls later in the hour, walking through from your research how this was really pulled off, and who was involved, and how this was done?
02:01:25.000Well, the most commonly asked question, again, I'm in Dealey Plaza every weekend, every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, unless it's raining or snowing, all year long.
02:01:35.000And the most common question I'm asked is, who killed President Kennedy and why?
02:01:44.000Well, the government in 1979, through the House Assassinations Committee, released a report stating that it was organized crime.
02:01:55.000And I agree, it was organized crime, but not only organized crime.
02:01:59.000The covert actions branch of the Central Intelligence Agency had been at war with President Kennedy since the time of the Bay of Pigs.
02:02:06.000When he announced that he was ending the Vietnam War one month and eleven days before he was killed, they must have panicked like crazy.
02:02:16.000It was big business, it was survival, it was massive amounts of money, billions of dollars.
02:02:23.000And I personally believe that that's the main reason why the president was killed.
02:02:28.000Yes, there was certainly the war against organized crime, that these people were not going to just roll over and play dead.
02:02:35.000They were going to fight back, and they did.
02:02:38.000But the covert actions branch of the CIA was definitely involved in this.
02:02:41.000Their fingerprints are all over everything.
02:02:45.000Well, yeah, through Lee Harvey Oswald and William Harvey, sure.
02:02:49.000But also James Angleton and others as well.
02:02:53.000There were many people at the top that hated President Kennedy.
02:02:57.000Al Fletcher Prouty, who was liaison officer between the CIA and the White House and the military at the time of the assassination, was a good friend of mine and told me many, many times through the years that the CIA was not going to just roll over and play dead and allow a single civilian in the White House to affect or control the CIA.
02:03:23.000And, uh, as a matter of fact, I was friends with, uh, Ruth Carter Stapleton, Jimmy Carter's sister.
02:03:29.000Uh, she told me that her brother was well aware of the conspiracy to kill President Kennedy, and that he was trying to find out what happened and get the information out, but that the CIA was laughing at him, that they paid no attention to him at all.
02:03:43.000It's, you know, you talk about a shadow government, the shadow is larger than the source of the shadow, unfortunately.
02:03:49.000And, uh, you know, when we're talking about who's responsible for the death of President Kennedy, it's impossible to ignore Lyndon Johnson.
02:04:34.000But the one that carries the greatest weight of evidence, and the one that makes the most sense, is to perpetuate and expand the Vietnam War.
02:04:42.000That, to me, is the ultimate... You're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars.
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02:07:59.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
02:08:09.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
02:08:12.000We're going to open the phones up coming up at the bottom of the hour at 1-800-259-9231.
02:08:18.000Your chance to talk to one of the preeminent JFK researchers, certainly the most dedicated, and the person exposing it from day one as well.
02:08:33.000Robert Grodin, down there many days a week, in all sorts of weather, at the site of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
02:08:47.000We were getting into LBJ, and obviously there were power elites that put him in control, but LBJ is the prime mover, and having a serious motive Wanting to be the king, wanting to be the president, and just the unbelievable amount of capital being transferred to the Southeast Asian war.
02:09:11.000We also have, of course, him wanting to get rid of the Federal Reserve's sole power to issue the currency or tell the Treasury what to print with Lincoln Greenbacks.
02:09:53.000And the military-industrial complex is literally eating, absorbing.
02:09:58.000The real economy and the same crew in Wall Street that set up the CIA is just looting the currency.
02:10:07.000They're not going to go away by themselves.
02:10:09.000In fact, they're just going to keep expanding like a cancer.
02:10:12.000So before we get more into the data of how they killed him, why they killed him, what really happened that day, the best evidence, your view on Well, the statement I'm making about the same institutions, the same crew, their children, these institutions, they are basically running the same covert ops they run in third world countries on a wider scale now here in the United States.
02:10:37.000And your view on the military industrial complex, the national security state, Robert Grodin?
02:10:43.000Well, I can't argue with a single thing that you said.
02:10:46.000I will add only that a lot of people feel that Johnson's involvement in the Kennedy assassination is too easy an answer.
02:10:57.000To that, I would add simply that it would do the powers that be no good to eliminate John Kennedy if his successor, Lyndon Johnson, wasn't willing to make the changes that they wanted.
02:11:11.000They would have to get an agreement from him in advance.
02:11:14.000Yeah, the two go together so it fit like a horse and carriage.
02:11:25.000The thing is, they had to know that he would go along with their game plan.
02:11:30.000Otherwise, it would do them no good to eliminate President Kennedy.
02:11:34.000They had to have his agreement ahead of time that he would do what they wanted.
02:11:39.000And that makes him an accessory before the fact.
02:11:41.000What about LBJ riding around on the radio, talking on it, looking very wolf-like, like he was on a rabbit hunt?
02:11:49.000You've got at the airport, waving the Secret Service off, the Secret Service getting mad about the route.
02:11:56.000Well, yeah, the thing is that Johnson, through the years, had to make himself look innocent.
02:12:02.000He created the Warren Commission, which had absolutely no power whatsoever to do anything, and then ordered them to find that there was no conspiracy.
02:12:12.000Now, Johnson himself, in later years, admitted that the Warren Commission was wrong, that we would never know the whole truth about the assassination in our lifetime.
02:12:20.000And that basically was at a point where nothing could be done one way or the other to try to resolve it.
02:12:27.000So he's now creating a cover to make himself look like he's innocent, and that he disagreed with the Warren Commission.
02:12:58.000Just the corruption to where finally CIA commanders wear crowns and we have to bow to them in the streets and they just start I mean, will it devolve, I mean, sarcastic down to them just hunting our children in the streets and publicly barbecuing them?
02:13:13.000I mean, I mean, I mean, because that's the logical extension of empires and corrupt elites.
02:13:18.000I mean, will this Wall Street banking CIA shadow government?
02:13:22.000I mean, they're just, they don't even care now.
02:13:46.000And, you know, I personally would like to think that the things that you're talking about could never happen, but we all know that it's entirely possible that they will.
02:13:57.000And, you know, I don't see an answer to being able to deal with that, because they control the national news media, they control the broadcast licenses of television stations, they control access to the presidential news conferences, that if a reporter disagrees with what Bush says, they can't show up at the conferences.
02:14:23.000Well, of course, I was being sarcastic, but if you look at Rome or the Aztecs or any of it, The majority of the time, when tyrannies are never checked, they just get crazier and crazier.
02:14:33.000I mean, it's wrong, guys, in the government, I know you're cold-blooded and don't care and think you're tough because you're cynical, to ship heroin and cocaine in and then turn cops loose on us, SWAT-teaming our houses, you know, for small amounts of it and put people in prison.
02:14:47.000It's wrong, all the predatory things they're doing.
02:14:50.000I mean, it's just... In reality, the bad guys never get punished.
02:14:56.000They just go on and on and now they're fully debasing the currency and transferring trillions in the bailout directly to their own coffers.
02:15:04.000I mean, it's just everything's off the chart.
02:16:42.000When I began my work on the Kennedy case, I used to believe it was possible to find the answers and that somebody somewhere really did want to know.
02:16:52.000When I was able to release the films of the assassination on national television for the first time on a TV show called Goodnight America, it was a different world then.
02:17:04.000I can't even go into the differences between then and now.
02:17:08.000But we were able to find enough people in Congress that were honest enough to want to find the truth, and we got the House Assassinations Committee voted in.
02:18:17.000So you can run off and have just unlimited amounts of money in your Swiss bank accounts and laugh at us and say we're schmutz because we're not tough like you and don't have the will to do what you do.
02:18:42.000Well, being part of the host, you and I have to be aware of it, but once again, outside of talking about it and trying to make other people aware of it, I'm not sure there's very much more that we can do.
02:18:57.000They've gone over a line a long time ago where they control literally all the power, and they don't mind killing individuals.
02:19:24.000And that was a precedent-setting event.
02:19:28.000The fact that they got away with it and were able, through whatever propaganda they were able to raise, to make it look as if they did the right thing, no one's going to speak out.
02:19:42.000Well, the good news is people are waking up en masse, and there's a lot at the end of the tunnel, but it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, folks.
02:19:47.000I mean, the country has gangrene, basically.
02:19:50.000And the gangrene's rotting the flesh, running all over the body, and it thinks it's having a great time.
02:19:58.000It's like the scorpion, you know, on the toad.
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02:22:31.000I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
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02:24:00.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
02:24:10.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
02:24:15.000Robert, before time gets away from us, fire out some of the great films and books and materials you put out and some of the websites so folks can get those.
02:24:24.000Well, the website, which is JFKMurder.com, right now there's nothing new available on it yet.
02:25:29.000Let me shift gears back into a wider view and then briefly go over what, as best you can tell, actually happened that day.
02:25:37.000What is the establishment going to do, though, when it comes out the Gulf of Tonkin was staged in 1964, the USS Liberty was staged, that's now even in the Chicago Tribune, the intercepts have been declassified.
02:25:48.000What is the establishment going to do as it does come out?
02:25:51.000They planned Operation Northwoods, a 9-11 style attack.
02:25:54.000All these other terror attacks they've staged.
02:25:56.000It comes out on Keith Oberman that Dick Cheney wanted to have Navy SEALs dressed up like Iranians in fake Iranian boats to attack our ships.
02:26:05.000I mean, all this is coming out and so there's this crisis.
02:26:10.000Uh, but the system is bringing in the Homeland Security operation, which the smokescreen was, it was for terrorism, and now, you know, but really the establishment knew folks were waking up, it was to suppress the population.
02:26:21.000Now the public gets it, and we have a stalemate, uh, with, uh, thug enforcers who are on power trips, and a, a freaked out public who now, I think, is realizing we have hardcore murdering terrorists running things.
02:26:35.000I don't know that there's anything that we really can do.
02:26:38.000I mean, you've got to ask yourself, what would happen if tomorrow morning, somebody, some government official from whatever one of the alphabet soup of agencies got on Good Morning America or the Today Show and said, yeah, alright, you guys win.
02:27:03.000But when there's no rule of law, corruption just spreads until the society collapses, and so the enemy will defeat themselves through their own corruption.
02:27:12.000I mean, sooner or later, as you said, you know, the parasites will destroy the hosts, and then there'll be nothing left, and they'll have to live off of each other.
02:27:21.000But by that time, we'll all be gone, so... Well, I'm glad you reminded me, because I didn't have time to finish the analogy.
02:27:27.000You know the old story of the frog or the toad, and the scorpion says, carry me across the river.
02:27:32.000And he says, but you're a scorpion, you'll sting me.
02:27:34.000And he goes, no, no, I promise, I won't, you just help me.
02:27:36.000And so being a nice frog, a nice toad, it jumps in the water and swims across.
02:27:40.000And right as they get to the other side, the scorpion stings him, and he's there dying in the water.
02:27:44.000And he says, why did you do that to me?
02:28:12.000Well, again, One of the problems that we've got now is that it's a situation of the Empire Strikes Back.
02:28:23.000When we had the miniseries The Men Who Killed Kennedy, we were getting a lot of good information out, but people were able to see it.
02:28:30.000But now some agencies have started to use programs called Unsolved History, and they've produced a series of grossly dishonest programs to try to convince people that Oswald acted alone.
02:28:44.000And what's scary is the fact that nobody seems to see through this.
02:28:49.000You know, they showed documentaries with Oswald running down four flights of stairs to the second floor in what he said was 90 seconds.
02:29:03.000Had he been up there, he only had 72 seconds, number one.
02:29:07.000Plus the fact that there's a photograph taken of someone in the sixth floor window 30 seconds after the shooting, which reduces the time to get downstairs to 42 seconds.
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02:33:56.000And you cynically, some of you that have sold out to the system, We're on the edges of it.
02:34:02.000You think we're safe as the American people and we allow those types of evils to be committed?
02:34:08.000You think when we send millions of men to these wars that the establishment doesn't cherry-pick the psychopaths, the opportunists, and doesn't put them into our society?
02:34:20.000You think you're immune from all that evil?
02:34:35.000But what you don't understand is that's coming home to roost on all of us.
02:34:39.000And God help us, I know who we're fighting, I know how evil they are, I know how real this is.
02:34:44.000And so does Robert Grodin, your calls are coming up.
02:34:48.000Robert, continue with these hit pieces, these incredibly dishonest TV pieces they put out, which always, right after they come out, are totally disproven, but it's designed for the mass of people that they're into deceiving.
02:34:59.000And I've... I've had hit pieces done on me, and you meet these people, and they'll lie and say, oh, it's not a hit piece.
02:35:04.000And several times after, when they're done getting their car to leave, they go, ha, you're a kook, we're going to expose you.
02:35:09.000And they... or they say... or one time they gave me a... they said, go out to eat with us.
02:36:15.000You are a source of alternative information, and you let people know that there is another side to this, and that's very, very important.
02:36:23.000But people, for the most part, when they see something on the Discovery Channel or the History Channel, they'll just arbitrarily believe it, no matter what.
02:36:32.000And they don't have the information to question or challenge.
02:36:38.000These shows that were produced, there have been, I think, three of them so far on Unsolved History, and they just finished a fourth in Dealey Plaza, oh, about a month and a half ago.
02:36:49.000They were doing something on the President's limousine.
02:36:52.000And every time they did it, they did it wrong.
02:36:54.000They had Mrs. Kennedy with her arms around the President, which never happened.
02:37:00.000And I went up to the directors and producers, everyone who was there, and I showed them the actual photographs that they were doing it wrong.
02:37:12.000They had somebody there who knew the truth.
02:37:14.000They didn't want to present the truth.
02:37:16.000And that'll be out on TV in a couple of days.
02:37:19.000And everyone will say, oh, look at that.
02:37:22.000You know, these are the same people who took a copy of the so-called Oswald rifle, tied it down with gaffer's tape, after aligning the scope perfectly, having a professional trained shooter fire a gun at a stationary target, and even doing that, rigging everything, they still couldn't duplicate what Oswald is supposed to have done, yet they told us that they did.
02:37:47.000All these years dealing with these people, I mean, a lot of them are just sell-outs of the system.
02:38:06.000It happens sometimes it's a bit more subtle than that.
02:38:10.000I was offered the job of director at the Sixth Floor Museum some years back, but they made it very clear to me that I would have to sell out and not be able to talk about the conspiracy.
02:38:41.000I have a friend who told me the analogy of, when somebody's talking about selling out, you say to them, well, what would you take to give me your eyes?
02:38:50.000We'll go to a clinic, sell me your eyes, they'll remove them.
02:38:57.000Because my eyes, I see, it's my window to the world.
02:38:59.000And you know, the eyes are the window to the soul.
02:39:01.000Well then, what would you give for your soul then?
02:39:03.000And people don't understand, when you sell out for a uniform, for status, for $35,000 a year, for a million a year, whatever it is, you lose who you are as a human.
02:39:12.000And that's what's so sad about people that are purely materialistic.
02:40:05.000If you question it, if you use your eyes, use your brain, think for yourself, it's more difficult to confuse you.
02:40:12.000You know, look at the logic of things.
02:40:15.000Try to learn all the sides and use your own mind.
02:40:17.000If somebody out there wants to believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, in spite of all the evidence, you know, how are you going to convince them otherwise?
02:40:25.000You know, it's like religion to some degree.
02:40:30.000If you don't believe, no amount of proof is going to convince you.
02:40:34.000It's the same sort of thing here, too.
02:40:35.000The Kennedy assassination has become somewhat of a sporting event in the minds of a lot of people.
02:40:41.000People will come to Dealey Plaza, they'll be, in many cases, drunk or really snotty about things, and they'll try to impress their friends, and they'll be know-it-alls, and say, well, this happened, and this happened, and this happened, and they'll be totally dead wrong.
02:40:56.000And you try to convince them, say, hey, look, you know, the doctor said that this wasn't true, the witnesses said this wasn't true, the acoustic evidence shows this isn't true, and they just won't listen.
02:41:05.000They'll just, you know, their mind's made up, they don't want to be confused with facts.
02:41:09.000And those are the people that you have to feel so sorry for, because they're the ones who are going to lie to their selves, their children, their friends, and there's nothing you can really do about it.
02:41:21.000They have bought into the lie, they've committed to it, and they can't admit they're wrong, but not just because they don't want to admit they're wrong, they're scared deep down, and they know that if it's true that the media lied and the government lied and the government killed Kennedy, they then know that a lot of other things are lies.
02:41:35.000And so, they've bought into so many other lies.
02:41:42.000Alright, well, I want to take some calls, but just in a quick summation, as best you can tell, especially with all this new E. Howard Hunt information, I mean, hey, why do you think Hunt did that tape and now the videotape we just released last night, you know, basically admitting pretty accurate stuff according to you and the other experts that Sure enough, he was involved in setting it up to kill him in Chicago and Miami, but they decided on Dallas and that it was LBJ, or at least as his chain of command went up to.
02:42:14.000Well, you know, there is something in this history that's pretty much forgotten, and I'll bring it up, because it does relate extremely closely to your question.
02:42:34.000No, the thing that I'm thinking about is the fact that Hunt, years ago, filed a lawsuit for pain and suffering because the issue was stated that he was part of the conspiracy and he thought that his kids might believe it and therefore it was hurtful to him and to them.
02:42:57.000So he used that as the excuse to file a lawsuit.
02:43:00.000Well, he lost the suit, but the issue that everybody seemed to forget and didn't pay attention to at the time is that he had testified before the Rockefeller Commission that he was not in Dallas, and he used his own kids as testimony that he was elsewhere at the time.
02:43:21.000So if they were testifying that he was somewhere else, then he knew he wasn't there.
02:43:25.000He said he made Chinese food for him, and of course the kid said he never made him dinner.
02:43:30.000Right, but at the time, if in fact his excuse before the Rockefeller Commission was truthful, then they would know he wasn't there.
02:47:04.000I have one specific question for Mr. Grodin.
02:47:08.000Watched the and read a lot about the Kennedy assassination.
02:47:12.000Not much is ever mentioned about the three tramps.
02:47:15.000Mr. Grodin, what can you tell me that you know about them?
02:47:18.000Well, there were three tramps that were on a freight train that was parked at the western end of the parking lot on top of the grassy knoll.
02:47:31.000And right after the assassination, that train started to take off.
02:47:37.000Lee Bowers, a fellow working in the railroad tower, a dispatcher in the railroad tower, saw it pulling out, realized he had not given permission for it to leave.
02:47:45.000He stopped the train, called the police, had it searched.
02:47:49.000And a quarter mile south of Dealey Plaza, where it was stopped, these three guys were arrested.
02:47:54.000They were taken off and marched over the triple overpass, then through the parking lot, back in front of the Texas School Book Depository, and diagonally across into the police station.
02:48:06.000Now, these three guys remained a mystery until the Shaw trial, and in 1967, I think it was 1967, Jim Garrison appeared on the Tonight Show and showed them publicly for the first time.
02:48:21.000And of course, Johnny Carson didn't want them shown.
02:48:23.000He kept dragging them out of his hands and what have you.
02:48:26.000But that was the first time the public became aware of the tramps.
02:48:29.000And of course, it just so happened they were spitting images for Frank Sturgis and E. Howard Hunt.
02:49:19.000Yeah, well, the thing is, we don't really know who these people are.
02:49:24.000One of them appears to be Frank Sturgis, but he also appears to be...
02:49:29.000Charles Harrelson, a man who had formally admitted to shooting President Kennedy.
02:49:33.000He just died in prison, Woody Harrelson's dad, and he was in prison for shooting a federal judge in Texas at 400 yards in the neck with a .243.
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02:55:02.000And a caller earlier mentioned that back during the X-Files, you know, they have an episode about who killed Kennedy, and they go, okay, Mr. Hunt, you can go ahead and go into the smoking man's office.
02:55:26.000You remember in the movie, The Outlaw, Josie Wales, where after the gunfight, they discussed why did you pick this target first, that target, and then the Indian companion to Josie asked, well, what about this other guy over here?
02:55:37.000And so I wasn't even worried about him.
02:55:42.000I know that you're too busy dealing with these guys who nitpick you on MySpace.
02:55:48.000I want you to know that when he says, I was there with you and I wasn't worried about him, when somebody attacks you about some ridiculous nuance, I'm there to cover your six.
02:56:02.000I mentioned a while back, and I want to be specific this time, it was Dr. Paul Martin Who gave a presentation about the manipulation tactics that cults use to... Basically, cults, generally speaking, have to have the witting compliance of their adherents.
02:56:20.000People are led to believe that the group knows what's best for you, and although we're doing things that are painful to you, we're doing it for your own good.
02:56:28.000And one of those things that they do is called a manipulation tactic.
02:56:33.000It's a term with a strong emotional charge.
02:56:35.000Like, with the former International Church of Christ, which, thank God, came to its senses, if you told one of their adherents, you're divisive, it would lead them to believe that there was something wrong with them for questioning the practices and the beliefs of the system, rather than that there's something wrong with the system.
02:56:52.000And in the same way, the term conspiracy theorist, I think we're on the same page.
02:56:56.000Yeah, no, no, I mean, it's a huge loaded term.
02:56:58.000It means automatically this person's a kook, they're insane.
02:57:42.000People get horrified by hunting, but you still eat meat at the store.
02:57:45.000I mean, I've shot deer and wild hogs in the head, and you shoot them with a .308, and it goes in small, sometimes you can't even find the hole, and it blows the whole other side of the head off.
02:57:55.000You shoot them in one side of the head, from the side, the other side of the head blows off.
02:57:58.000You shoot them in the front of the head, the whole back of the head blows off.
02:58:03.000I mean, for anybody that's ever shot something, Well, you know, that's the way they get away with it, though.
02:58:13.000You know, you had Dan Rather get on CBS TV Sunday, two days after the assassination, and tell us that when the President was struck in the head after seeing the Zapruder film, he was thrown violently forward.
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02:59:59.000Well, we've got the longest continual, most dogged researcher we've got the longest continual, most dogged researcher at JFK, the main consultant most dogged researcher at JFK, the main consultant on the film JFK, worked with Jim Oh, my God.
03:00:27.000With us for another 20 minutes, and I want to get to Greg and Ray and Nelson and others that are patiently holding.
03:00:34.000But I want to get a few questions out of the way that I haven't got to yet.
03:00:37.000First off, you got caught off by the brakes.
03:00:38.000Sorry, it was satellites and syndication.
03:00:41.000We can't push brakes back, so I apologize, Mr. Grodin.
03:00:43.000Robert Grodin, you're trying to make a point.
03:00:46.000Shane Kennedy was thrown forward from being shot in the back.
03:00:49.000the head and just total ball of a sub-rider film when it finally came out you know he's he's he's lunging backwards i mean you know he's being smacked and then it being being pushed back and the whole back of his head blowing out so go ahead well see that's that's the whole point you know back in those days we believed everything they told us uh...
03:01:10.000Nobody would dare ever question Dan Rather or Walter Cronkite or anybody like that.
03:01:56.000And when I released the Zapruder film back in 1975, he very soon thereafter made the statement in his book, The Camera Never Blinks, that he had simply made an honest mistake.
03:02:12.000Well, he made a mistake, but there was nothing honest about it.
03:02:16.000That's in answer to your last caller's question.
03:03:06.000I had gotten my hands on the film in 1969, and I only told specific researchers in the Kennedy case, a small number of researchers, about what I had and showed them what I had.
03:03:57.000I say that too because I thought that sooner or later they would release it, but they never did.
03:04:03.000It probably would have been doctored, though.
03:04:05.000Well, the thing is that to this very day I'm convinced that the film never would have been released if I hadn't been the one to release it.
03:04:15.000How'd you get the photos with his head blown off?
03:04:18.000Well, I worked for the government for three years, and I worked as a photo analyst, and part of the things I worked on were those photographs.
03:04:28.000And that's about as much as I'm kind of willing to say.
03:04:32.000Man, just amazing that you've been able to ferret all this out.
03:04:37.000I mean, folks, the whole back of his head blows up.
03:04:41.000And I'll assure you, Go out to East Texas.
03:04:46.000Go shoot a wild hog in the whatever side you shoot, a tiny hole.
03:04:51.000The other side, if it's a high-powered rifle, looks just like Kennedy's head.
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03:08:17.000He's been working with me for now two years off and on.
03:08:21.000Two years since we've been working on a JFK film quietly in the background while we were making other films.
03:08:27.000And he had a few quick questions for you here on air.
03:08:33.000Mr. Grodin, go ahead and ask your questions, Aaron Dykes.
03:08:37.000Yeah, my question was basically in terms of the top suspects that Howard Hunt names, William Harvey and other CIA figures.
03:08:45.000How well does that fit in with the fact that they were doing coups in all these third world countries, that their jobs were to overthrow leaders?
03:08:52.000Yeah, that's who the government will go to.
03:08:54.000The program was even called Executive Action, I believe.
03:08:57.000Or at least that was one of the programs, the ZR rifle program.
03:09:01.000What can you say about that in terms of how it fits into the assassination?
03:09:20.000They may have had support in other areas from Perhaps specific politicians or mobsters or what have you, but yeah, it would have been impossible.
03:09:31.000For instance, let me say, the government stated in 1979 that it was the mob that was responsible for the assassination.
03:09:41.000Well, they might very well have been to some degree, but can you imagine some mobsters in Chicago or Miami or New Orleans having the power to control the investigations through the years to get Oswald killed?
03:09:57.000And the media and the FBI, look, and the public has been ignorant on this.
03:10:04.000The CIA, when it was OSS and every other intelligence agency, British intelligence going back 300 years, they always use local crime rings in any area.
03:10:13.000They're smuggling or getting out data or information.
03:10:16.000They always use the local criminal networks because they know the way of the land.
03:10:22.000Well, with all that and everything that you just said is absolutely true, but the other thing, though, is by bringing them in, they prevent themselves from being victims of blackmail later on.
03:10:34.000Because by being able to link the mob organizations with them, then they would be... basically, it's an insurance policy.
03:12:21.000Well, we know that he was in Texas that day, most probably, almost to a certainty, in Dallas.
03:12:29.000But we also know that he was flown to Washington, D.C.
03:12:32.000the next day, which got him out of here.
03:12:38.000I am not in any way, shape, manner, or form a fan of either one of the Bushes.
03:12:47.000We know that Bush, when he was being picked as the director of the CIA, he lied to Congress and said he had never worked for the CIA, when in fact we know he had prior to his being named director.
03:13:02.000Now we have FBI files and letters and list that evidence.
03:13:07.000Well, again, we have documents relating to the Kennedy assassination which mention George H.W.
03:13:31.000I mean, one question that's always crossed my mind in relation to what you had just mentioned is, if Bush was willing to lie to Congress to commit perjury over working for the CIA, you have to ask yourself, why?
03:13:47.000You know, what was so important that he'd keep secret about it?
03:13:50.000Yeah, why not say, hey, because that was the criticism, is that he never had any intelligence background.
03:13:55.000No, it's suddenly just going to be the director out of nowhere, and they were saying, well, exactly, why wouldn't he say, oh yeah, I work for the agency?
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03:14:51.000I'm a first-time caller and I'm also an expert and I've been a stockbroker in New York for over 14 years and I've studied the Federal Reserve for a very long time and I have heard some things about why Jeff Gate got shot because he was going to basically sign form 1110 which was to abolish the Federal Reserve.
03:15:13.000Well, my biggest thing, and I see and I've been warning people for many years, not to let them force a global economy, because basically what they're looking to do is basically put everybody on the breadline.
03:15:55.000It's just they're cowards, and a coward Well, as the great William Cooper said, God rest his soul, was listen to everyone, read everything, believe no one, and do your own research.
03:16:11.000And that's exactly what you guys are doing.
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03:16:37.000Now Harriet, do you have a question for Robert Grudin?
03:16:41.000Basically, my question is, do you feel that because JFK tried to abolish the Federal Reserve, that is one of the biggest reasons that he was murdered?
03:16:51.000I think that that's one of the reasons why he may have been, yes.
03:16:55.000I think that what I've done through the years is I've had to weigh the different potential motives.
03:17:02.000And to me, the Vietnam War seems to be the greatest motive, but it doesn't eliminate that as being a very strong motive.
03:17:08.000Yeah, there's a whole bunch of troughs they wanted to suck out of and a bunch of other things they wanted to shut down that Kennedy was doing.
03:17:14.000So my feeling is, yes, it may very well have had a lot to do with it.
03:17:17.000that I would never eliminate that as a potential.
03:17:21.000But when people ask me why was the president killed, I said that there's a lot of reasons why.
03:17:27.000But as far as I can see, and from all my years of doing this, the greatest motivation with the most lodged behind it is the Vietnam War.
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03:24:31.000I need to call Paul and have him add that we'll also be giving speeches, not just a question and answer.
03:24:35.000I forgot to tell him that in the press release this morning as I gave it to him over the phone as he transcribed it.
03:24:41.000But to help us get that press release out to everybody, and if you're media interested in talking to one of these guys, you know, in the evening before the event, you can email Aaron at InfoWars.com.
03:24:54.000I need you to watch that this weekend.
03:24:55.000I know you're also going out to Willie's Place with me and Ventura Sunday morning, you and Rob, but I also need you to watch that for media because I don't want to just have a press conference and then have some nerdy wells show up.
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03:25:17.000Robert Grodin, I'm going to come back in the next segment and jam in three or four calls for you, but right now on this short one, where our breaks worked, most of them are in the first half hour.
03:25:27.000More about the interesting perspective of being one of the chief advisors and people on the film JFK, in Dallas, filming part of it in Dallas, shooting it there at Dealey Plaza, You talk about all this harassment you go through now and over the years, you know, 80-something tickets, hundreds, 400-something harassments.
03:26:22.000We had paid an incredible amount of money to be able to film in Dealey Plaza and the There was actually a formal vote taken within the City Council whether to allow or not allow Ollie to shoot there.
03:26:40.000And it cost a lot of money and I guess greased the city's coffers, as it were, to get permission to do it.
03:26:48.000But Warner Brothers, Hollywood's pretty establishment.
03:26:50.000I mean, the backstory, the inside baseball scoop on that.
03:26:55.000I mean, how did Stone get that film made?
03:27:00.000Well, the thing is, no one had done anything on it, ever.
03:27:03.000And he had the power to do it, and he had massive name stars.
03:27:07.000If you look at the cast of that movie, it's astonishing.
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03:27:21.000Gary Oldman, Tommy Lee Jones, as I said.
03:27:25.000Well, the more I study JFK, I mean, I've always known a lot about him, but nothing like you, the more I realize, you know, the big who, who, how, how or whatever, I mean, it's all really from reality.
03:27:34.000I mean, it's all from things that were seen or videotaped or filmed.
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03:33:01.000Before you slip into All right, I've got to let my guest go in like seven minutes.
03:33:12.000We've got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
03:33:14.000Aaron, you had one more question for, or comment for Mr. Grove.
03:33:19.000Well, I was just mentioning behind the scenes, didn't the JFK film itself have a role in, was it the Assassinations Review Board, or had to do with declassifying a lot of relevant documents, just as a lot of researchers, especially you, led to a lot of stuff getting into the public that would have never been seen if, you know, Yes, you're absolutely correct.
03:33:42.000At the end of the movie, JFK, it's mentioned that the records that were being held private until the year 2039.
03:33:51.000And as a result of that, there was a lot of requests of Congress to do something about it.
03:34:00.000And, uh, the Assassination Records Review Board was named, uh, to review and release what could be released, uh, all documents relating to the JFK assassination.
03:34:14.000And they actually existed for, I think, three years.
03:34:20.000They interviewed me on five separate days.
03:34:22.000I was actually spent, I guess, 70 some odd hours being questioned about the autopsy photographs and the photographic evidence of the Kennedy case, the films and what have you.
03:34:38.000Because outside of the Zapruder film, it was I who released all of the other films as well, 122 different films of the assassination and the autopsy pictures, and within My last two books, which was The Killing of a President and The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald, I released 1,200 photographs.
03:34:59.000And the new book will have 800, which will bring the total up to about 2,000.
03:35:04.000No, there's no doubt that we can say that you are the grand poobah, the mac daddy, the big kahuna when it comes to getting the info out.
03:36:07.000The Russell Trust set up Skill and Bones as an opium monopoly and the British East India Company and these same families have been bringing the drugs in here forever.
03:36:17.000And they were engaged in narcotics trafficking in World War II, so to say that... But just go ahead and make your point.
03:36:24.000Yeah, my point is the connection with JFK.
03:36:29.000Now, when they did this... Hold on a second.
03:36:35.000What it comes down to is, okay, they built the underground military bases, and they funneled money through Congress.
03:37:12.000My question was, I've got the documentary of the James Files confession.
03:37:17.000I wanted to know if there was any validation with that.
03:37:21.000The James Files situation is an open question.
03:37:25.000I tend to believe at least the majority of it, simply because here's a guy who's Telling a story that can be checked out, or a great deal of it can be checked out, and the government refuses to find out if it's true or not.
03:39:16.000But it's funny how, speaking of the W movie, you said on your quick review on Monday or Sunday, you said that how they built up Colin Powell as if he was this genius or hero.
03:39:29.000And then on Monday, you turn on the TV and, you know, he has this, all the media outlets, they have him with this well-prepared speech on how he endorses Obama.
03:40:20.000Can you talk about maybe if there's enough time for him to get off the street and into that lunchroom?
03:40:26.000If you're talking about the man in the doorway, Uh, of the Depository, it's not Lee Oswald, it's Billy Lovelady.
03:40:33.000Uh, Billy Lovelady looked very much like Lee Oswald from the front.
03:40:38.000From the side, he looked nothing like him.
03:40:40.000And I presented pictures from both the front and the side.
03:40:44.000Uh, at the time that picture was taken, the actual moment that was taken, Lee was on the second floor talking to a woman named Geraldine Reed.
03:40:53.000Mrs. Reed testified to the Warren Commission about this.
03:41:12.000Tippett, the cop you're talking about, didn't look all that much like President Kennedy, really.
03:41:17.000They were, you know, both slim-billed and like that, but I think the reason why they killed Officer Tippett was in order to link Oswald to something that the Dallas police would care about.
03:41:28.000They wouldn't care about the assassination of President Kennedy.
03:41:32.000That was meant to get them hyped up to go along with later killing him.
03:41:56.000I don't want to abuse his time and I've got some news I want to cover.
03:41:59.000Robert Grodin, I really appreciate you spending all this time with us and I can't wait to see you again when we tape with you for a couple days up in Dallas after this year's anniversary.
03:42:11.000So I will see you soon, my friend, and thank you for all your tireless work.
03:42:15.000You're a real champion of liberty and truth.
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03:44:47.000This is mixed in with the old audio tape from a year ago of E. Howard Hunt with the new video of E. Howard Hunt and then some more Never Before Heard with his son speaking with myself and Jim Mars in Dallas a few months ago when we were up there taping.
03:45:09.000The first thing that came to me was the audio tape, which he sent to me in January of 2004.
03:45:16.000He didn't call me and let me know that he was sending it, but one day I just checked my mail, picked up my mail, and there was a package from my father.
03:45:26.000There was no explanation of what was on this tape, so I just put the tape in my cassette recorder, and in it he outlines his knowledge of the conspiracy, which was codenamed The Big Event.
03:45:39.000I was a benchwarmer on it, and I had a reputation for honesty.
03:45:45.000I think it's essential to refocus on what this information that I've been providing you, and you alone by the way, consists of.
03:45:58.000What is important in the story is that we've backtracked the chain of command up through up through Kordmeyer and laying the doings at the doorstep of LBJ.
03:46:17.000He was sick, and he wrote this out, as you can see by the handwriting, with great difficulty.
03:46:25.000It's a little hard to read some of it, but at the top here we have the initials LBJ, which, of course, was the vice president at the time.
03:46:33.000Below this we have Kordmeyer, who was a CIA officer.
03:46:38.000Below that we have named David Morales, who was also a CIA.
03:46:44.000I don't know if he was official CIA, but I certainly heard his name before in relation to contract work that he did with the CIA.
03:46:53.000I think he was a pretty serious guy, a guy capable of doing just about anything.
03:46:59.000And to the right, the next name is Bill Harvey, who was a very flamboyant CIA man, carried around a couple pistols in his belt at all times, was a heavy drinker.
03:47:12.000And below at the bottom it says French gunman Grassi Nol.
03:47:16.000I mean, you've said now that David Phillips apparently met with Oswald in Mexico City before the assassination.
03:47:24.000You've said that Bill Harvey may very well have recruited a French or Corsican gunman to shoot.
03:47:33.000And you also said that Cord Meyer had a motive in that his wife was having an affair with John F. Kennedy.
03:47:40.000I heard from Frank that LBJ had designated Kort Meier Jr.
03:47:48.000to undertake a larger organization while keeping it totally secret.
03:47:56.000I think that LBJ settled on Meier as an opportunist parent, like himself a parent.
03:48:07.000And a man who had very little left to him in life ever since JFK had taken Cord White as one of his mistresses.
03:48:21.000And of course, could not number Cord Meier among JFK's admirers.
03:49:13.000I could just visualize Harvey and LBJ forming a kind of a thieves' compact between them.
03:49:25.000But I think that LBJ He was an opportunist and was not hesitated to get rid of obstacles in his way.
03:49:40.000I think his later career exemplified that.
03:49:45.000The Vice President had the most to gain.
03:49:49.000And he was in a position where he could bring in people like Cornmire and Others of interest and get their take on different things and then in turn issue instructions.
03:50:09.000There was nobody with the leverage that LBJ had.
03:50:19.000He was the vice president and if he wanted to get rid of The President said he had the ability to do so by corrupting different people in the CIA.
03:50:35.000And he had to do it with the limitations of the CIA because there was no other group that honored, if I can use that term, that honored the clandestine limitations the way CIA did.
03:50:53.000They could do something to turn their back on it and move on to something else.
03:51:02.000Are you sick and tired of spending your hard-earned money to fill your gas tank?
03:54:54.000It was very, very important to him that he take advantage As to the extent that he could as Vice President, because just a few things had to be accomplished.
03:55:11.000He had to kill Kennedy, or have him killed, I should say, and be guilt-free himself.
03:55:21.000Then he could go on and do what he wanted to do as President of the United States.
03:55:30.000It was a very tempting An almost illogical move on his part.
03:56:02.000And LBJ could do that for him if he were president.
03:56:08.000He couldn't do much for Harvey or anybody as vice president.
03:56:16.000That was why he used Harvey for being available and corrupt.
03:56:25.000It was very easy for even the vice president to start working with Harvey or anybody else.
03:56:35.000Just say, "I want you to do this, I want you to do that." And making sure that they had money that was not their own to do whatever the LBJ wanted to have done.
03:56:51.000So that when the President was assassinated, the Vice President was right there and ready to move along.
03:57:02.000It doesn't speak well for our democracy at that particular time.
03:57:07.000He, in my opinion, had an almost maniacal urge to become President.
03:57:15.000He regarded JFK is... There's about five, six minutes left and again it goes back into the new footage and then it cuts back into the old audio, but this is very important.
03:58:03.000But his book's coming out, so say hello.
03:58:09.000We had Grodin on for two and a half hours, roughly.
03:58:14.000And I covered a lot of news, of course, in the first hour as well on a host of important issues and took a bunch of phone calls.
03:58:20.000So it was a really good radio show today on this Thursday edition, the 23rd of October, 2008.
03:58:26.000And on the AM and FM dial, we'll be back different times of the day and night on stations that air us on the internet, one place, rebroadcast right now, back in one minute, on the streams exclusively at InfoWars.com.