Dr. Paul Craig Roberts joins Alex on the show to talk about his experience as a 9/11 detective in New Jersey. Dr. Roberts talks about his experiences with the New Jersey Police Department and the tactics they use to collect evidence. He also talks about the Nazi interrogators.
00:00:19.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:23.000Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former editor at the Wall Street Journal, best-selling author, head of Policy, Department of Treasury under Ronald Reagan, is going to be joining us in about two minutes.
00:00:31.000I wanted to go back to John in New Jersey, a 9-11 detective.
00:00:36.000He sponsored Richard Gage, architect and engineer.
00:00:38.000Now I remember hearing about him to come in and speak.
00:00:42.000And he's asking, why do you call us jackboot thugs?
00:00:48.000He's asking, we're now live at PrisonPlanet.tv.
00:00:52.000I've got to turn the lights on in here for the camera.
00:00:57.000I'm talking about a government that's building FEMA camps and admitting it in the newspaper.
00:01:02.000I'm talking about a government that's saying they're going to have youth brigades and tattletale corps.
00:01:07.000I'm talking about a government under social engineering control that is turning America into a police state and throwing the Bill of Rights out the window in non-terror related cases.
00:01:16.000And so the system, we're saying, is a jackbooted And I mean, in Austin every day, police take kids from homes without warrants, without indictments, without due process.
00:01:26.000And they go, well, I'm just following orders.
00:01:28.000And I've had Austin cops walk up and say, turn your camera off or stop talking on a street corner.
00:01:47.000So yes, I need to differentiate better.
00:01:50.000But the way the police have been organized, the way they're being trained, what's happening in this country, I mean, it's an us-against-them mentality.
00:02:02.000They say it's an us-against-them, and I know there are a lot of good police, and I know that I don't handle it right when I blanket, just spew things, but I mean, I'm freaked out, folks.
00:02:13.000You know, I'm straight-laced good guy, and I've had all sorts of stuff done to me by the police.
00:02:19.000Now, I've had the Austin Police Chief in here, and he claims he's a fan of the show, and I know people that know him privately that he didn't know know me, and he talks about me at dinner parties and at radio stations, behind the scenes, and does an Alex Jones imitation.
00:02:32.000I understand that cops are just normal people, but I'm telling you, the cops and the firemen witnessed them take the black boxes off the pile.
00:02:41.000The cops, you know, see all this evil going on.
00:02:45.000And I'm tired of hearing we're just doing our job.
00:02:49.000The foreign banks are looting the country.
00:02:51.000But finishing up with what you were saying, John.
00:02:57.000I mean, Alex, the way I've seen it now, I had a mandatory evidence collection class sponsored by the state troopers, the New Jersey state troopers.
00:03:11.000And it was, uh, given by, uh, I guess you can Google it.
00:03:17.000Um, and the opening salvo to the class was, uh, um, I think, uh, I believe it was the, uh, Luftwaffe, uh, interrogator, the head interrogator.
00:04:17.000whatever you guys don't you know what I mean?
00:04:20.000so he's telling you how great the Nazi interrogators are well listen, I'd like to get you on as a guest sometime on the show, okay John?
00:04:26.000yeah, absolutely alright, I appreciate it you know, I've just had police do so much horrible stuff to me I grew up in Rockwell, Texas, where the police and the sheriff's department delivered the cocaine, the heroin, the marijuana.
00:04:41.000Now, I was never into drugs, but I lived in an upper-class neighborhood, you know, upper-middle-class neighborhood, and witnessed the police delivering drugs.
00:04:47.000And then I'd see the same cops doing drug raids at the school.
00:04:51.000And I mentioned to them, hey, you know, I was one time at a party and saw one of you guys delivering drugs there, and they said, we're going to kill you and your family, and we had to move out of that area of Dallas.
00:05:02.000So, my dad had one of the local lawyers call him and say, you need to get out of here or your son's going to be hung in a jail cell.
00:05:11.000And then later, the Sheriff Jack McWhorter went to prison for flying heroin and cocaine and marijuana into the Austin, the Rockwall Airport.
00:05:19.000But listen, I got Dr. Roberts holding.
00:07:58.000Well, you know, he had to be elected because the Republicans It's the only way to hold the Republicans accountable.
00:08:11.000I mean, we can't simply let the Republicans escape accountability for their crimes against the Constitution and human rights, for their violations of U.S.
00:08:22.000and international laws, for their lies and deceptions and all their financial crookedness.
00:08:28.000We can't just re-elect them and say, well, you know, we forgive you for all those crimes Concentration camps and police state and all the rest.
00:08:38.000So he had to be elected because it's the only way the people can hold him, can hold the Republicans accountable.
00:08:44.000But the establishment... That's the only reason I ever supported the Democrats or Obama.
00:08:51.000You know, it's, it's, it's, Pravda put it, after the election, an editorial in Pravda, the Russian newspaper, the old Soviet newspaper.
00:09:03.000Only Satan Would have been worse than the Bush regime!
00:09:09.000Therefore, it could be argued that the new administration in the USA could never be worse than the one which divorced the hearts and minds of Americans from their brothers in the international community, which appalled the rest of the world with shock at all tactics that included concentration camps, torture, mass murder, and utter disrespect for international law.
00:09:35.000Well, if we didn't hold the Republicans accountable for that, what would the world think of us?
00:09:41.000No, I understand, but now Obama has shown that he's going to kick it into high gear.
00:09:48.000You know, Obama's a showman, and his victory speech was magnificent, and the cameras scanning the faces of the audience, you could see the hope and the belief in people's faces that propelled him to the presidency.
00:10:10.000But he can't bring change to Washington.
00:10:22.000You know, we'll have all the Clinton retreads will be there.
00:10:27.000The people who bombed Serbia and committed war crimes in Serbia.
00:10:31.000Robert Rubin The Clinton Secretary of the Treasury who got Glass-Steagall repealed and is responsible as much as anybody for the current financial crisis.
00:10:41.000Holbrooke, Dennis Ross, these are all the criminals of the Clinton administration.
00:10:47.000They'll now simply be recycled in the government.
00:10:51.000And even if Obama knew anyone capable of helping him bring change, He wouldn't be able to get them confirmed by the Senate.
00:11:01.000The powerful interest groups would go in and block the appointment.
00:11:08.000The only way you'll ever get change in Washington is a revolution.
00:11:13.000I think what's going to bring change is not the election of Obama, it's the fact that the United States has run out of money and run out of credibility.
00:11:26.000...and has annoyed the world, and the world is organizing against us.
00:11:32.000We see the statements out of China, out of Russia, out of India, out of Brazil, out of Venezuela, out of Germany even, that they want a different kind of international community in which America isn't the ruler, it's just a member of the community.
00:11:55.000All right, we're going to be right back, Dr. Roberts.
00:12:23.000Yeah, look, I'm not attacking you saying, oh, you were saying maybe Obama's good.
00:12:28.000I mean, obviously we couldn't on paper say, well, let's just go for John McCain, because worldwide that would have been seen as a national endorsement of the neocons.
00:12:40.000But now they're bringing in The slicker neocons, I mean, people who are literally from the very, very same crowd.
00:12:51.000I mean, his new Chief of Staff alone is just an absolute nightmare.
00:13:02.000If McCain would have come in, internationally and nationally, he would have had no credibility.
00:13:08.000And so now that He's in there, he has been able to mesmerize, get more credibility internationally, and now he's saying, okay, we got some big event coming up, the 21st, 22nd, okay, we're going to go ahead and get tough on Iran and Russia, okay, we're going to do all these things, okay, I'm going to appoint a bunch of Israelis and other people to my cabinet.
00:14:29.000I mean, there are people in the New York Times saying, if I can pull the article up if you like, saying, you know, he wants a youth brigade, he wants a domestic Stasi, and then I went to change.gov, his new transition website, And it's in there.
00:14:44.000They say environmental brigades, brigades in the schools.
00:14:48.000It says turning the kids into, I mean, I can read it to you right now, his national service.
00:14:53.000We're going to have domestic spy forces, environmental enforcers.
00:14:56.000We're going to bankrupt the coal industry.
00:14:59.000We're going to have plastic bag taxes.
00:15:15.000But at the moment, they've got two wars, maybe two more, because they keep blowing up things in Pakistan, and now they've crossed Syria's border, and they're still going on about Iran and Georgia.
00:16:28.000And we're talking to Dr. Paul Craig Roberts today.
00:16:32.000Continuing with the discussion of the economy, as the former head of the Treasury had a policy, where is the economy really right now versus the mainstream corporate press saying that we're not really in a recession yet and using all of this cooking of books?
00:16:47.000And then the added question, why were they more honest in the past about unemployment and recession and things.
00:16:55.000And then why do they just lie so much about that now?
00:16:58.000It would seem to me, reading Joseph Goebbels on propaganda, he said that sometimes too big a lie is too long.
00:17:05.000Once people know it's a lie, it discredits you, so it's better to tell some truth.
00:17:11.000Well, what they did with the employment and inflation statistics is that over time each administration monkeyed with it a little bit to make themselves look better.
00:17:27.000And any particular change didn't have much effect.
00:17:32.000But over, you know, 30 years, they've become cumulative and big effects.
00:17:39.000And the biggest things happened in the Clinton administration.
00:17:45.000One, he ceased, well I can't say he, but the government during Clinton's administration, cease to count discouraged workers as unemployed.
00:17:59.000If you're not actively seeking for a job, you're not considered in the labor force, and therefore if you're discouraged and said, "Well, I've been trying to get a job for five years and can't get one, and I'm just staying home, I'm giving up," they don't count you anymore.
00:18:17.000And what they did to inflation, they changed the way they measure it such that comparisons of pre-Clinton and post-Clinton aren't possible because what Clinton they changed the way they measure it such that comparisons of pre-Clinton and post-Clinton aren't possible because what Clinton did in order to cheat the Social Security recipients whose retirement checks were indexed to inflation, they wanted they were in the
00:18:53.000And one of the ways they did that was, for example, if the price of steak goes up in the index of all the weighted commodities in the basket of goods that they're measuring, the price of steak goes up, it doesn't reflect anymore as inflationary.
00:19:10.000They simply assume people don't buy steak, they buy hamburger.
00:19:14.000So anytime the price of something goes up, they assume people switch to something To a cheaper substitute.
00:19:22.000So the basket of goods is not constant, so you don't even know what you're measuring anymore.
00:19:27.000And you were saying unemployment's really at about 15% right now?
00:19:31.000John Williams, a statistician who measures the unemployment rate the way it was traditionally measured by government prior to these changes, has it at about 15%.
00:19:58.000And of course, since the inflation rate is so understated, you know, in the one that the government uses now, it makes it look like you've got real gross domestic product growth.
00:20:16.000But John Williams points out that When you measure inflation the way, say, it was measured in the Reagan years, you don't have any.
00:20:48.000We've been in a recession for two years already.
00:20:51.000Yeah, let's jump to another topic and we'll go back into the economy where you see it going in the final segment coming up.
00:20:57.000What is this big, I'm asking all the experts we have on, what is this big international crisis that the head of the Navy and the head of the Army and Joe Biden and Colin Powell all say is coming on the 21st and 22nd but they can't and won't tell us what it is but they know A lot of our experts are saying they're going to launch some type of embargo against Iran, or Israel's going to threaten to go ahead and attack, or may go ahead and attack.
00:21:22.000First we said it was off the table, but now it's back on the table.
00:21:25.000Or is it the new Bretton Woods dollar devaluation, or new global currency?
00:21:32.000Well, I don't know what exactly you're talking about, but supposedly on the 15th of November, It's supposed to be an international economic summit because our European allies have demanded a change in the international financial system.
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00:25:58.000Biden says there's going to be something happen right when he gets inaugurated, and that it's going to test him, and it's not going to be popular with Democrats.
00:26:05.000You heard about Colin Powell on Meet the Press, you know, two weeks ago, I'm sure, saying that, you know, it was when he endorsed him, he said he will be tested when he's inaugurated on the 21st or 22nd with an international crisis that's manufactured.
00:26:27.000I keep hearing these claims that he's going to be tested by terrorists, but I don't believe that at all.
00:26:36.000And if there is any new 9-11, I would be highly suspicious that terrorists had any responsibility for it.
00:26:48.000You would look at it being staged like 9-11?
00:26:54.000I think any of these events will be staged.
00:26:59.000I don't see the point of staging one unless they're going to use it not to let him be inaugurated.
00:27:07.000But since his government won't really be much different from the one that's in office now, I don't know why they would care whether he's inaugurated or not.
00:27:23.000It's going to be the same crowd, the same group, the same interest groups doing the same thing.
00:27:28.000Alright, shifting gears back to the new Bretton Woods Agreement, they're openly saying, small group of international banks setting world policy, Stiklitz is saying it, they're all saying it, basically world government of and by, that's their words, the banks setting global carbon credit taxes paid to them.
00:27:44.000Do you think they're going to be able to get that coming up at this series of meetings?
00:27:50.000No, because The United States and Europe no longer are undisputed leaders.
00:28:00.000The United States is busted and totally dependent on foreigners, primarily Asians and Arabs, to finance their consumption and the daily operation of their government, their wars, the defense budget.
00:28:16.000The Chinese and the Russians are not going to let themselves be put under the thumb of some kind of Banking group, it's not going to happen.
00:28:28.000I think that what this November 15th meeting is about is the rest of the world serving notice on the United States that it's no longer going to be the one that calls the financial terms because the dollar It needs international support.
00:28:53.000And Wall Street has shown that it's irresponsible and incompetent, and so its credibility is gone.
00:29:04.000So I think you're going to see people, what they're going to say is, look, we need to move to a reserve currency that's a basket of currencies, in which the dollar plays a role but is no longer the dominant in which the dollar plays a role but is no longer So I think that's what's going to start.
00:29:31.000So I don't think the banks are going to take over.
00:29:34.000The Chinese are not going to let some stupid European bank conspiracy take over China or And certainly the Russians aren't.
00:29:44.000They almost had that, you know, after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
00:29:52.000They almost got taken over, but Putin ran them all out of the country, and I don't think he's going to let them back.
00:30:01.000And there's going to be so many problems here, from unemployment, from tent cities, from whatever the ridiculous policies that Congress passes, that they're going to just have their hands full with troubles.
00:30:22.000Okay, well, then let me ask you this question.
00:30:25.000Why do they keep saying, because you worked in the White House, you headed up the Treasury, you've been part of different international bodies studying the Russian-U.S.
00:30:35.000relations, so you've got your finger somewhere on the pulse of this better than I do, they keep saying to the liberal press, get ready, he's going to do things you don't like, He's going to do things internationally you don't like.
00:30:48.000He's going to do things militarily you don't like.
00:31:24.000But all I can say is, I don't think their power is very great.
00:31:33.000And I think the new, very heavily populated countries are going to carry the balance of power in the future, India and China, even possibly Brazil.
00:32:15.000I go on Russia Today, just like you do, I talk to Russians, they're trying to be free market, they hate communism, I talk to them, but then I go on Russia Today, I say it's wrong that we attacked Georgia, Russia through Georgia and South Ossetia as a proxy.
00:32:30.000And then I have all these idiot neocons emailing me going, you work for the Russians, you're KGB.
00:32:37.000You worked out some of the deals with the Russians there at the end of the Reagan administration to help bring down the Berlin Wall and the rest of it.
00:32:45.000Would you like to explain to them, from your perspective, who the Russians really are today, instead of just claiming they're a bunch of commies?
00:34:32.000Well, that's my last question, sir, and then we're going to let you go and we appreciate the time.
00:34:36.000I remember reading the Banker Bailout Bill, and by the way, the final version had it, just in more legalese terms, about no one can review this, no one can look at this, it will be secret, no court can review it.
00:34:48.000Bloomberg reported correctly, Ron Paul's reported it's more like five trillion, they've already sucked about a trillion out, and now even the New York Times reported the head of Goldman Sachs in a conference call
00:35:00.000with another one of the big brokerage firms saying, oh this is great we're going to use this for bonuses and to buy other banks and insurance companies and other corporations and no we're not going to loan it out to the people and get the economy going and they're so arrogant just in front of reporters they'll brag about it it sounds like insane hubris and then Goldman Sachs England took a seven and a half billion pound bonuses fourteen plus billion In dollars?
00:35:30.000Again, every time I think I can't be shocked, it just goes to a new level of insanity.
00:35:39.000You know, we're people who are easy to con because they still trust the government, despite everything they've seen and learned and witnessed.
00:35:51.000And whatever it tells them the next day, they'll believe that too.
00:35:54.000That's the whole problem, isn't it, Alex?
00:35:57.000Well, I agree that some people are dumbed down, but they had a thousand to one phone calls.
00:36:01.000Polls were 95-98, depending on the poll, against the bailout.
00:36:43.000And even the rig way of measuring unemployment, they say now it's the highest in a couple of decades.
00:36:51.000So it's not a situation that's propitious.
00:36:57.000uh... for them and uh... the more they the more they do this i think uh... the more they'll be to pay at some point but you know you can't say you're going to be a world power while you run the country into the ground.
00:37:14.000They had the greatest engine even if we were going to have a corrupt new world order system we had the you know the big empire the wealth the power and they just like a third world country uh... they're just looting it So even from a position of wanting to have long-term power, it looks like what they're doing is bad.
00:37:54.000And I don't know, you know, the things that have happened don't make a lot of sense, and they don't really lead to any good result, even for the people doing it.
00:38:07.000So, you know, whether it's hubris, arrogance, hubris, stupidity, you know, Why in the world did Napoleon march off into Russia?
00:38:18.000There was no reason for him to do that.
00:38:39.000Well, I guess it's because, like the PNAC said, we got the power, why not go for global domination?
00:38:44.000And that's what they're doing, and I think they're just so arrogant with all their hookers and money and power and all the yes-men that I think they really still think that they're unstoppable.
00:38:54.000Don't you think global domination came to an end in Georgia?
00:38:59.000It took the Russian soldiers a few hours to clear out the army we had trained and equipped.
00:39:07.000And don't you think it's come to an end in Afghanistan?
00:39:53.000I mean, the Chinese themselves said, you know, one of my columns a week or so ago, quoting what the Chinese had to say about the dollar and all this, and they said, Why in the world are we lending to the Americans so they can go on forever deeper in debt?
00:40:09.000And so everybody sees it, and I think the financial crisis has sort of made them think that it's time for them to rein it in.
00:40:22.000Obviously the Americans aren't smart enough or willing to, so the rest of the world is going to rein it in, I think.
00:40:30.000I think that's what is And it'll take a while.
00:40:34.000It won't happen immediately and people will be excited.
00:40:38.000The Bush is gone and they've got Obama and he's the first black American and this proves the Americans aren't as racist as we thought and maybe they're better in other ways than we thought and maybe We need to give them a second chance.
00:40:54.000But won't that goodwill turn into bitter poison if Obama pulls a bunch of stunts?
00:42:40.000So, you know, I don't think Obama will bring change, but I think the Financial deterioration of the United States will bring change, and I can't say what that change is going to be, whether we're going to pull our boots up and get to work in the right way, or whether we're going to end up in some kind of a worse pickle.
00:43:01.000All right, Dr. Roberts, the tyranny of good intentions is the book.
00:43:13.000The forces of globalism are destroying national sovereignty.
00:43:16.000I think the financial deterioration of the United States will bring change, and I can't say what that change is going to be, whether we're going to pull our boots up and get to work in the right way, or whether we're going to end up in some kind of a worse pickle.
00:43:33.000All right, Dr. Roberts, Charity of Good Intentions is the book.
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00:46:26.000We are back live, ladies and gentlemen.
00:46:29.000We have Weideman phones again this Sunday.
00:46:34.000By the way, this stuff gets worse and worse with Obama.
00:46:36.000We're discovering by the minute, we should have done more research on this, we knew it was bad, even the Albuquerque Examiner has the headline Rahm Emanuel wants compulsory service for your kids.
00:48:06.000He has... Well, Ted, real fast, tell them what you've got.
00:48:09.000Tell them the gold and silver you've got today.
00:48:10.000Well, obviously, one of the very popular coins is that Augustus Saint-Gaudens design, the $10 Indian.
00:48:15.000Very beautiful piece, but at the same time, you get so much gold for your melt value, and you're not going to find it anywhere else, that's for sure.
00:48:22.000That coin, currently right now, is trading at a price of $673.
00:48:26.000It's a $10 Indian, and it's just... you can't beat it.
00:48:31.000I mean, that's the coin that was issued by Augustus Saint-Gaudens and Teddy Roosevelt It's a beautiful piece.
00:48:37.000I also have those $5 moderns in MS-70.
00:48:39.000I mean, these are slab coins issued by the U.S.
00:49:57.000And Ted, there are going to be brokers there all weekend.
00:50:03.000Even though gold is going up right now, you're going to be able to lock that in until Sunday?
00:50:07.000Absolutely, we'll hold the prices for them.
00:50:08.000And there's going to be people there, how late every evening, the brokers?
00:50:11.000Well, you know, a lot of the times they're here till midnight, but, you know, at least till 11 o'clock central time, you'll get somebody live to answer the telephone.