On April 19th, 1995, a bomb exploded in the Alfred P. Murrow Building in downtown Oklahoma City, killing four people. The government claimed it was a suicide, but the evidence points to a much more sinister culprit.
00:00:04.000All right, it's an important historical event, the federal government bombing the Alfred P. Murrow building in 1995 on April 19th to demonize militias, Patriot groups, and to launch a nationwide move for gun confiscation, to set up anti-terror forces against the American people.
00:00:20.000Here's the Financial Times of London today, and now for a world government.
00:00:25.000And they admit that a world government is being set up, that it will be anti-democratic and will enslave us, and even mentions how they need to get the American people's guns, how our guns are a problem.
00:00:37.000Open announcement for world government, open announcement they're worried about the people in the heart of America and their guns.
00:00:45.000They admit here they're setting up world government.
00:00:48.000It's just all right there, and you can go read that story.
00:00:50.000We have it linked up on PrisonPlanet.com.
00:00:54.000We have the FBI documents, thanks to Jesse Trinidou investigating his brother's murder.
00:00:58.000A high-powered lawyer out of Utah, Salt Lake City Tribune and others have covered it.
00:01:05.000And they've gotten other documents that the Deputy Attorney General Holder, who's about to be the Attorney General, he involved in emails and the cover-up of all of this that he got during his lawsuit.
00:01:19.000I think that's the one thing we neglected to mention in the article we wrote.
00:01:23.000He's got a huge reward out right now for a quarter million dollars.
00:01:29.000Well thank you for having me back, Mr. Jones.
00:01:29.000in the case dealing with the murder by the feds of his brother.
00:01:33.000So we're going to recap this and then get into more detail on every front and take your calls next hour on the false flag attack of Oklahoma City.
00:01:42.000We have to continue to revisit all this as new developments come out.
00:01:45.000So Jesse Trinidue, a short segment now, a long segment coming up, but it's good to have you back with us, and why don't you recap the basic facts.
00:01:53.000Well, thank you for having me back, Mr. Jones.
00:03:03.000And at the time, it was a shock to us that the government called up the Department of Justice and said he'd committed suicide, and they asked for permission to cremate his body, and we said no.
00:03:16.000And we found out later that after we said no, the Department of Justice went to the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner and tried to get an order for cremation, and he wouldn't give it to them, because he didn't have the family's permission.
00:03:26.000It took us a week to get his body released and sent home and when he came home he was heavily made up and my mother and his wife and my sister stripped the makeup off and he had been beaten head to toe.
00:03:39.000His head was, the skin in his head was split to the skull in three places from the blows.
00:03:44.000The soles of his feet had been beaten, knuckles black, beaten back and front and his throat was cut.
00:03:54.000And then we found out he'd been strangled with a pair of plastic handcuffs, so he'd apparently been tortured extensively and then killed.
00:04:02.000We had no, no... And this happened in federal custody, supposedly in a isolation interrogation type cell where only the Department of Justice has access to it.
00:04:14.000And they of course said it's a suicide and a suicide by hanging.
00:04:21.000I mean, we We went to our government expecting them to do right.
00:04:25.000We went to the FBI expecting them to do right.
00:04:27.000But then we started to get suspicious when all the evidence disappeared.
00:04:32.000The medical examiner shows up on the morning to claim my brother's body, and before they turn his body over, the Department of Justice removes his bloodstained clothing and destroys it.
00:04:42.000The medical examiner tries to get access to the cell.
00:04:46.000They tell him he can't, and then they clean it that very day.
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00:09:43.000You better get that through your head.
00:09:49.000Democracy don't rule the world You better get that in your head This world is ruled by violence This world is ruled by violence But I guess that's better than that From the Broadway to the Milky Way That's a lot of real estate indeed.
00:10:12.000Who knows about the New World Order, huh?
00:10:18.000A man's gonna do what a man's gotta do, and they put us up against the wall.
00:10:22.000They put our back up against the wall, and we have to fight back, and so we are.
00:10:25.000This is another case, just like all the guests I had on yesterday, of a single person taking action.
00:10:31.000They harassed his mother, his father, who were elderly, basically caused them to die, as he said last week.
00:10:36.000Jesse Trinidue, finding out they'd murdered his brother.
00:10:38.000We're putting photos, autopsy photos, up on screen that are so grisly.
00:10:43.000So if you're watching PrisonPlanet.tv, turn away if you don't want to see this.
00:10:46.000Go ahead and put some of them up on screen.
00:10:47.000I mean, just savagely caved his head in.
00:10:50.000What looks like burn marks, electrical marks all over him, bruises.
00:10:53.000I mean, black and blue, head to toe, both sides.
00:10:57.000Savagely, savagely just tortured him to death, trying to get info.
00:11:02.000Because the feds, of course, had just bombed their own building and thought he was one of the witnesses and had to get rid of John Doe No. 2.
00:11:42.000There's good people in government, like good FBI agents, leaked documents that he later sued and was able to get from the government because he had the documents to prove we're accurate, where they were basically running the bombing operation.
00:12:02.000A little over a million, Mr. Jones, but to get right to the heart of the story, It's interesting with your comments about the murders because the world famous videographer, he calls me and tells me the tape had been erased.
00:12:17.000The FBI had taken the tape back from him and told him not to say anything about it.
00:12:25.000A witness to my brother's murder named Alden Gillis Baker, he's found hanging in his cell a month before the trials to start in federal custody.
00:12:33.000The fellow that I think was John Doe too, Richard Lee Guthrie, as you said, He supposedly hangs himself in federal custody the day before he's supposedly going to give a tell-all interview to the Los Angeles Times about what he said would blow the lid off the Oklahoma City bombing.
00:12:49.000The point on all this evidence disappearing is we don't understand why.
00:12:53.000My brother, we're just ordinary people.
00:13:29.000And by the way, you now have the emails where Holder, who's about to be Attorney General, is saying this is a Normandy-level cover-up, like the invasion of Normandy on D-Day.
00:13:39.000So they're just everywhere, full-court press, covering this up.
00:13:57.000She would go back and forth down to their place on the beach and coming back across the border one time, an immigration officer pulled her over and said, are you Mrs. Trinidou?
00:14:10.000He said, the FBI has been here and they told us every time you come across to take you to what they call secondary.
00:14:16.000Now that's where they take the engine out of your car, take the tires off, take the steering wheel out, the seats out and say, have a nice day and walk away.
00:14:26.000But again, we never understood why this was happening.
00:14:29.000Because all we wanted to know was the truth, what happened to my brother and why nobody was being prosecuted.
00:14:35.000Well, then it started to unravel about a short time afterwards when I received an anonymous call.
00:14:42.000I think it was in January of 96 that said, the person said, your brother had been killed by the FBI.
00:15:03.000And then in June or July of 1996, I read a story in the Los Angeles Times about a Richard Lee Guthrie, who was a member of a group called the Midwest Bank Robbery Gang, who was robbing banks and getting money to wage war against the United States government.
00:15:20.000And I thought that was interesting, but it never clicked really.
00:15:22.000And then about, uh, shortly before he was executed, I get a message from Tim McVeigh who said, told me that when I saw your brother's picture and heard what happened to him, I want you to know that the FBI killed him because they thought he was Richard Lee Guthrie.
00:15:40.000And I guess what's really clued me into it was getting a telephone call from a reporter named JD Cash out of Oklahoma.
00:15:48.000And J.D. had family and friends killed in a bombing.
00:15:51.000He had pursued that story all those years.
00:15:55.000This was in the spring, I think, of 2004.
00:15:58.000And he asked me if I had a minute to talk about my brother, and I said, "Yes." And he said, "Well, describe your brother." And I said, "He was 5'9", powerful upper body build, dark complected, J.D.
00:16:09.000asked me, where was he when he was picked up?
00:16:11.000And I said, well, he was coming back across the border from Mexico.
00:16:49.000White male, five foot nine, dark complected, powerful upper body build, believed to be in Canada or Mexico, driving a mid-1980s Chevrolet pickup truck, dragon tattoo, left forearm.
00:17:02.000My brother comes across the border meeting that description and is sent to Oklahoma and dead two days later.
00:17:13.000I had been leaked two teletypes from then FBI Director Louis Freeh talking about this sting operation taking place at a white supremacist compound in eastern Oklahoma called Elohim City.
00:17:27.000And it was apparent from that teletype that they had informants with these people and they were linked to the bombing.
00:17:34.000And then I came across Uh, reference to an FBI operation that started, um, in the early 1990s, 92, 93, somewhere around there called PATCON.
00:17:47.000It was an acronym for Patriot Conspiracy.
00:17:50.000And apparently it was the FBI's operation to infiltrate the militia movement and to track them all over the country.
00:17:59.000And so I filed a Freedom of Information Act request.
00:18:02.000I zeroed in on that sting operation at Ellingham City.
00:18:05.000I said, I want all your documents linking that operation, referring in that operation to the bombing of Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, Richard Lee Guthrie, and the Midwest Bank Robbery Gang.
00:18:48.000The judge goes ballistic, orders them to go back and do a manual search.
00:18:54.000And they come back with 150 some pages of records.
00:18:58.000And they plead with the judge not to turn them over to me because they said they had four or five informants who they had promised anonymity, and if their names were to get out, they would be placed at risk.
00:19:10.000The judge said, black the names out, turn the documents over.
00:19:16.000Well, I get these blacked out, I get the documents with the names blacked out, but it's clear they had this operation up and running.
00:19:23.000One of the teletypes has Tim McVeigh calling Elohim City Two days before the bombing, asking for more help.
00:19:32.000Evidence came out that one of the informants had actually gone four months, in October of 94, to scout the Murrow building with some of the participants and had reported it.
00:19:45.000So they knew four months, at least four months before it happened, it was going to happen.
00:19:49.000They had their informants robbing banks and armored cars.
00:19:52.000With McVeigh and the Midwest bank robbers to get the money to build a bomb.
00:19:59.000Going back, because remember, Colonel Craig Robertson and others have talked about how you were able to get the two memos and put them over each other.
00:20:08.000You had the one that had been leaked, but then you also had the other one that you were able to get from the government and you were able to learn quite a few of the names from that.
00:20:19.000Well, not the names, but What was important is they can't remember what they've done in the past, so they black out different parts.
00:20:29.000So I guess it was the Southern Poverty Law Center government memo where the two copies were obtained and then laid over each other.
00:20:37.000Going back from memory here, was that the Southern Poverty Law Center government documents that came out that they had basically had people in control or in the command positions there where they got the two memos and they laid them over each other?
00:20:49.000These were all FBI documents, but they referred to the Southern Poverty Law Center.
00:20:53.000Of course, the Southern Poverty Law Center immediately called me and told me they had no involvement in this operation, and all I said was, I don't know if that's true or not, but your name is sure as hell all over these 150 pages of FBI records talking about it in terms of apparently a joint operation.
00:21:12.000And I know this sounds incredible to your audience, but what they should keep in mind is, it's not me saying this.
00:21:18.000These are records prepared by the FBI.
00:21:22.000The ADL's been caught running all sorts of white supremacist scripts.
00:21:25.000I mean, it's just part of the course, man.
00:21:27.000But I mean, the point is, these were FBI documents, and many of them have been drafted, or at least were sent out under the order of the director of the FBI, Louis Freeh.
00:21:38.000And so, once I get the documents, the oldest one I get is On the afternoon of the bombing, April 19, 1995.
00:21:45.000So I go back to the court and I said, look, Your Honor, there's no way in hell the Sting operation sprang to life three hours after the bombing.
00:21:53.000It had to have been in place beforehand.
00:21:56.000And that's when I asked for permission to take the depositions of Terry Nichols and David Hammer.
00:22:04.000Now, David Hammer, everyone knows Nichols is the co-conspirator of McVeigh.
00:22:08.000Hammer had spent Two years on death row with McVeigh, and McVeigh told him all about the bombing, including the FBI's apparent involvement through a ring of informants.
00:22:19.000We didn't get into last week about the Nichols deposition you got, and how they tried to block that coming out, and how when he wanted to talk to Attorney General Ashcroft, then he put a gag order and blocked the media from getting to him.
00:22:32.000Perhaps we should flesh out what that meeting was like with Nichols.
00:22:35.000Well, I went into, I don't know how I got in, but I got into The new Alcatraz, which is ADMAC's administrative maximum prison in Florence, Colorado.
00:22:53.000Uh, it's concrete, largely underground, no windows.
00:22:57.000I spent a day and a half with Nichols.
00:22:59.000He gave me about a 50, I guess about 25, 30 page affidavit talking about the bombing, talking about some of the others involved.
00:23:09.000Uh, and so what, how I came to see him though was apparently Nichols had been convicted by the federal jury.
00:23:18.000He was tried by the federal government first.
00:23:20.000They convicted him, but they refused to give him the death penalty because they said it's clear to a clear, it was clear to them that there were others involved and they didn't understand why the department of justice and the FBI weren't going after the others.
00:23:33.000Nichols has been tried in state court.
00:23:36.000Jury convicts him, refuses to give him the death penalty, saying it's clear to us there are other people involved and that the FBI and the state of Oklahoma and the Department of Justice are not going after these people and we're not going to send Nichols to death and end the story without knowing what all is out there.
00:23:54.000And so Nichols, once he's convicted in state court, he can't be retried.
00:23:58.000And he can't be given the death penalty.
00:24:00.000So he writes to Attorney General Ashcroft and he says, come and see me and I'll tell you everything.
00:24:04.000I'll tell you all the people involved.
00:24:07.000And Ashcroft not only doesn't go see him, but issues an order that Nichols is to have no contact with the media.
00:24:14.000And so that's the scene when I finally get in to see Nichols.
00:24:18.000And so I get this affidavit and I go back to the court and that's when the court looked at that affidavit and the court had Unredacted copies of these documents.
00:24:27.000So when the judge allowed him to turn over copies to me with the names blacked out, he ordered them to turn over copies to him without the blackout.
00:24:34.000So he knew who was involved, he knew what they were doing, he knew what was planned, and he said, you go take that deposition and you take it on video.
00:24:43.000Yeah, that was the documents I was going back to in memory.
00:24:46.000So what was it like talking to Terry Nichols for the time you spent with him?
00:24:55.000He is not a person who professes to be innocent.
00:24:58.000He's a person, I think, and as I think I may have mentioned to you, to me it's a story of sin, forgiveness, and redemption.
00:25:05.000He's apparently reached out to some of the victim's families, and two in particular, the two grandmothers who each lost two grandsons, toddlers, in the daycare center, and asked for forgiveness, and they've forgiven him, and they've struck up, I guess, For lack of a better word, a sort of friendship.
00:25:25.000He promised them that he would tell everything and he would clear his conscience to the extent it can be cleared.
00:25:35.000And he did tell you what really happened?
00:25:39.000There wasn't enough time to tell it all.
00:25:43.000When I say you're in a day and a half, it's not that long because part of the time is bringing him to the room where he's interviewed.
00:25:51.000uh... part of the time is waiting for them to clear out of the room because they're not supposed to be listening to it but you know they are anyway and then they come back and do their routine checks so that it's constantly disruption and it's you're at a risk of being searched and everything else when you leave there so that's not there are some things that he was afraid to talk about that he didn't want to talk about for fear that they would hear or overhear or find out but he did say enough that there were
00:26:20.000At least he claims that the FBI was involved, that an FBI informant, according to him, even provided the detonators used in the bomb.
00:26:39.000And then when we come back, we're going to continue our discussion with you about what Terry Nichols told you, the affidavit you got out, how this helped you win your court case.
00:26:49.000Then we're going to take calls in the next hour with all the interesting points that listeners will bring up, all the directions they will take us in.
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00:30:15.000You know, they've announced that five people are going to plead guilty who've been in Guantanamo Bay for six and seven years, respectively.
00:30:23.000Openly being tortured, openly having psychological warfare done, things we can't even mention on air.
00:30:28.000It's admitted in mainstream news that They have sex with them, they put blood on them, they do satanic rituals, and the army says they do that to freak them out because they're Muslim.
00:30:40.000No, it's because the government's satanic, and they like to do this in their spare time.
00:30:47.000It's been in the AP, it's been in Reuters.
00:30:50.000I mean, hardcore torture, and they've got black sites or ghost sites where they torture them to death.
00:30:55.000They've got drugs that stop their hearts, but then they're fully conscious, and then as soon as they panic, it's worse than waterboarding, they then turn their hearts back on.
00:31:03.000Fox News has reported that and said it's a great thing they're doing.
00:31:06.000That's in my film, Police State 3 Total Enslavement.
00:31:09.000So this, you know, torture of people to get confessions from them.
00:31:14.000I was on the treadmill this morning watching cable, and I was watching Dragnet, and they were the good guys crushing the man's testicles to get the answers.
00:31:22.000Tom Hanks and Dan Aykroyd torture the guy by crushing his testicles, and it's so funny.
00:31:28.000But see, it's not funny in real life when two big guys are knocking your teeth out and putting you on PCP and having prostitutes dance around in devil outfits.
00:31:38.000I mean, it's just all sorts of things you can't imagine.
00:31:41.000I mean, I could never have thought of this.
00:31:44.000You know, I can't even get into it on air, folks.
00:32:00.000Jesse Trinidou, continuing, sir, in that day and a half with Terry Nichols, what you were able to learn, what was in the affidavit that they've tried to quash.
00:32:17.000Nichols basically said that he was under the impression that the FBI was playing some role in handling Tim McVeigh and that one of the informants had actually provided the detonators for the bomb.
00:32:31.000I think it's what's interesting, though, is I've made those accusations in this lawsuit and the FBI has never denied them.
00:32:39.000And the accusations were pretty specific that they were involved.
00:32:43.000Possibly with the German government and others in a sting operation to infiltrate the militias groups in this country.
00:36:20.000Plenty of time to break down everything that's happening and going on.
00:36:23.000So, specifically, I remember a few years ago when you first broke this here on this show, there were quite a few documents and affidavits and things that were blocked that you couldn't bring out at that time.
00:36:38.000I'm interested about the chain of events of when the affidavit and the rest of it was finally made public.
00:36:44.000It was made public in this fight to get, basically, what happened is I go to the court with some initial things that Nichols had given me, including documents, a few he'd had, plus his sworn statement.
00:36:59.000The judge has those, and plus he has the unredacted documents the FBI gave him.
00:37:05.000And that's when he ordered me, gave me an order, says, you go take that deposition.
00:37:10.000And, of course, the government immediately filed a motion asking him to reconsider and withdraw the order.
00:37:15.000And it took a year to fight that motion out.
00:37:18.000I mean, his original order allowing me to take the depositions was handed down in September of 2007.
00:37:24.000The FBI had fought like hell for an entire year.
00:37:26.000And then this last September 2008, he denied their motion and said, I told you to go take the deposition.
00:37:33.000And they now here, in the last few days, appealed that order to the Court of Appeals.
00:37:39.000But the point I was going to make before the break to your audience is they've never denied the accusations.
00:37:44.000I mean, my accusations are you infiltrated this group.
00:37:47.000You actually ginned these people up to do that bombing.
00:39:09.000And I don't know if they intended it or not, but they did it.
00:39:12.000And the point is, I accused them of it, and they never denied it.
00:39:14.000Well, they changed the target from an empty building to the federal building.
00:39:18.000But the point I was going to say is that they've never denied the accusations, they just pleaded with this judge not to give the documents to him, and he didn't accept that.
00:39:27.000And then they pleaded with him not to let this deposition go forward, and he didn't accept that.
00:39:31.000And for those of your audience of my age who remember Watergate, Watergate didn't come out overnight.
00:39:39.000He came out as a result of a mean-ass federal judge named John Sirica, who held a The government's feet to the fire until the story came out.
00:41:06.000We're not on the AM and FM or shortwave or satellite right now, but we are streaming live over the web.
00:41:10.000I like to do these little behind-the-scenes things in the fourth hour, and we're also at PrisonPlanet.tv.
00:41:17.000I'm kind of conducting the interview here today and all over the map.
00:41:19.000What are some of the points you want to make sure that we point out?
00:41:22.000I mean, the website, the reward, where you're going from here, you're not giving up on justice.
00:41:27.000I mean, what are some of the other points you want to make?
00:41:31.000That's basically, I think we haven't gotten into Eric Holder very much.
00:41:35.000I think, you know, we clearly got Eric Holder, here's the second in command of the Department of Justice, covering a murder of a little person up.
00:41:41.000And you have to say, why in hell, like you said, the invasion of Normandy, are they doing this?
00:41:46.000And I firmly believe Holder played a role.
00:42:04.000I mean, if he's got his hand in covering up the murder of a citizen, then you know he's got his hand in covering up the murder of 169 people.
00:42:15.000This country's in for a lot of trouble.
00:42:17.000The gun-grabbing Obamas and holders and Clintons, and they're talking about Al Gore and the administration.
00:42:22.000They hate America, they hate the Second Amendment, and they are not going to give us any rest.
00:42:27.000They're probably going to stage, and the problem is they're going to stage more domestic attacks.
00:42:31.000You notice they've said suddenly, oh, Al-Qaeda isn't going to be striking now.
00:42:35.000It's going to be blonde-haired, blue-eyed Al-Qaeda.
00:42:37.000There's thousands, they're about to hit us.
00:42:39.000We have to have troops on the streets, and they're training every city for roadside bombs, saying there's militia, they're all about to strike.
00:42:47.000And that's how they're going to get the troops on the streets of America, is they're going to run around killing cops, blowing stuff up, and blaming it on the American people.
00:42:55.000I think that the Clintons certainly were terrified of the militia movement.
00:42:58.000Of course, we have the BATF out in New Mexico blowing up rider trucks the months before.
00:43:12.000And I think there's less chance of getting to the truth about the bombing and anything else if you bring back the Clinton people into this administration.
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00:44:08.000I want to tell the FBI and police something.
00:44:13.000It's wrong the FBI and BATF were all out of the building when the FBI bombed it in 95.
00:44:21.000And I've been studying the enemy's attack pattern.
00:44:24.000I believe they're going to bring back the domestic terrorism.
00:44:27.000They're going to target military and police to get you all hyped up to attack the American people.
00:44:33.000You see, in Seattle in 1999, in Denver this year, in Minneapolis-St.
00:44:38.000Paul this year, and in Ottawa this year, the police were caught everywhere this year.
00:44:43.000And of course, hundreds of times previously.
00:44:45.000With cops dressed up like anarchists, they run up and attack other police.
00:44:49.000A lot of times, the police don't even know they're being attacked by other cops, and it's real.
00:44:53.000In the case of Canada this year, for the big global summit, the North American Union Summit, they knew it was staged, and it later came out that it was cops.
00:45:02.000After they attack themselves, they then rubber bullet and attack the peaceful crowd in baby carriages with pepper spray.
00:45:09.000And we've got videos of the after-meeting police with them going, Great job routing that scum, men!
00:45:15.000Did you see me shoot that lady in the face with rubber bullets?
00:45:36.000I know you think it's cute, because when you're killing your own people, it's like a little fun inside goody-good, but it's sick, it's degenerate, it's disgusting.
00:45:46.000When German intelligence got caught two weeks ago staging terror attacks against themselves, they got caught.
00:45:52.000And you're all going to be caught for all of this.
00:45:55.000Now I want to go to your phone calls coming up in the next segment at 1-800-259-9231.
00:45:59.000The main reason that we've got Jesse Trudeau here is he's won the big case.
00:46:04.000For a couple months he's had a quarter million dollar reward out for evidence leading to the arrest of the people that killed his brother.
00:47:03.000Jolly and West, the famous mind control doctor from MKUltra hearings in 77, becomes his doctor until the time he's executed in Terre Haute.
00:47:12.000But Eric Holder, involved in the cover-up, we have the internal memos, the emails, this is confirmed in the case, about how he was running the cover-up of your brother's murder and how this was, quote, as complex as the Normandy invasion.
00:47:26.000And how they had to have a unified front, PR, spin, that's all up on InfoWars.com.
00:47:30.000Plug your website with all the documents, photos, the reward, and then let's get into Holder and where you're going from here.
00:47:37.000All the documents we've talked about are at the reward site, which is my brother's initials, Kenneth Michael Triniduc, KMT Reward, one word, KMTReward.com.
00:48:10.000But even being involved in the death of an ordinary citizen, you would never see that.
00:48:18.000And it didn't make sense at the time, but it does now.
00:48:20.000And if he knew, and I think he did, that if this murder was solved, it would go to the government's role in the bombing, then he sure would be involved in covering that up, because that would have cost Bill Clinton a re-election in 1996, if the American people had known about the FBI's role.
00:49:00.000And I contributed money to Obama's campaign and I voted for him.
00:49:03.000But I didn't vote for him to bring the Clintons back.
00:49:06.000And with the Clintons coming back into power, The chance of this story ever seeing the light of day, my brother's murder and the bombing, gets slimmer and slimmer.
00:49:16.000Well, the whole government stages false flags all the time, so none of them are ever going to let it come out, but you have beat them so far.
00:49:39.000I understand, and I've had it on pretty good authority, that there's a CIA report out there that says that the FBI was involved in Elohim City with the German government in that sting operation.
00:49:55.000And that the FBI does have a surveillance tape that shows the Ryder truck pulling up in front of the Murrow building.
00:50:01.000And the description, the government's description of that tape is The bomb detonates three minutes and six seconds after the suspects quote-unquote exit the truck.
00:50:12.000Well, I mean, we have the LA Times and a bunch of people interviewing the FBI agents who saw the tape, and it shows McVeigh and one other guy getting out, and then of course they've sequestered that tape, what, through three lawsuits?
00:50:27.000And you have to ask yourself, and I'll answer the question too, that would be the best evidence of the crime is an actual videotape of the people doing it.
00:50:36.000And you say, why wouldn't you have shown that as evidence at Nichols' trial and McVeigh's trial?
00:50:41.000And the obvious answer is, one of the people getting out of the truck was, or two of the people getting out of the truck were on your payroll.
00:50:47.000And that's why you don't want it shown.
00:51:28.000Oh, I mean, there's so much evidence, it's incredible.
00:51:30.000I mean, you know about them killing cops and coroners and doctors and witnesses, right?
00:51:37.000I know about and I think they're fully capable of it.
00:51:42.000And that's why I made a joke about starting a car, but I recognized early on that for my own security, anything I did get, I couldn't keep it to myself.
00:51:55.000And that's why the minute I get an affidavit from Terry Nathalie, I file it in the court so it's a public record.
00:52:00.000Well, most of the people doing all this killing, if you profile them, there's different types, but mainly they're former military, they've been in black ops, they've killed families in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Africa.
00:52:12.000They've seen dead kids everywhere and they just start liking it.
00:52:15.000And so, hey, you know, kill 160-something people in a federal building, blow up some kids, collateral damage.
00:52:36.000It just gets bigger and worse and more out of control.
00:52:39.000And I'm not even looking for a fight with these people.
00:52:42.000I want them to stop killing us and stop destroying our country.
00:52:46.000But they've got a job to do to bring this nation down.
00:52:48.000Do you have any ideas about stopping Eric Holder becoming the Attorney General?
00:52:56.000I don't know how much good it would do, but I'd have your listeners to write, call, email your Congressmen and Senators, and tell them to look into this man's background.
00:53:06.000I mean, again, it's not me making this up.
00:53:08.000These are government documents with Holder involved in the cover-up of my brother's murder.
00:54:20.000Well look, they just arrested the Illinois governor, who I by the way hate, he's a gun grabber, but they just arrested him for what's normal in U.S.
00:54:58.000Well, I've often said that the FBI, and again your audience should know that I hate that institution, but I think it's actually worse than the old KGB because The KGB never claimed to be a legitimate law enforcement agency.
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01:00:02.000It's Alex Jones, only on the GCN Radio Network.
01:00:06.000All right, folks, we are back live. we are back live.
01:00:28.000I want to talk to John, Cody, Steve, Chris, Tyler, and others from all over the country and the world.
01:00:34.000Before we go to phone calls with you, sir, Jesse Trenner, do you have other points you haven't covered, other areas that need to be gotten into?
01:00:43.000Well, I'd just like to leave the audience with this thought.
01:00:48.000I didn't start to go to Oklahoma City following my brother's murder took me there.
01:00:54.000I didn't start out Hating my government.
01:00:56.000I didn't start out distrusting my government.
01:00:58.000I certainly didn't start out distrusting or hating the FBI.
01:01:02.000I went to my government, I went to the FBI asking them to do the right thing, to investigate my brother's murder, to prosecute the people who did it, and to punish them.
01:01:11.000And instead of that, I got lies, I got cover up, I got harassment, and my government and the FBI tried at least twice to indict me, to shut me up.
01:03:37.000Well, all I know is that the Southern Poverty Law Center has told me that they're not involved.
01:03:43.000The FBI documents, on the other hand, say they are involved.
01:03:46.000I don't have a problem with monitoring hate groups that can do harm to American citizens, but as you know from law enforcement, you've got to stop them before they do it.
01:05:06.000We really are just glorified security guards.
01:05:09.000And if my brother had died and been killed in a county jail or state prison, I think you could safely say the FBI had been all over that, wouldn't they?
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01:09:56.000I'm just saying, look, you people are out of control destroying the country, and I've got to fight you.
01:10:01.000And, you know, you murdered this guy's brother, and he stood up to you, and he's beating you.
01:10:07.000They probably aren't going to kill you, though.
01:10:08.000They've already harassed your family and your parents until they died, because now they don't want to draw attention to themselves by killing you.
01:12:14.000We're going to go to some more calls here in a minute.
01:12:16.000But what the FBI did is they went and investigated everything, the dog catcher, the butcher, the candlestick maker.
01:12:23.000They went after everybody to create the biggest mountain up until that point of investigations ever to get their good agents off the real trail and to create just this mountain of garbage.
01:12:50.000In the bombing case, the agent in charge of the case, after he retired, said he was told, the only time in his career, he was told by Maine Justice out of the White House, the Clinton-Reno Justice Department, not to go after the people at Ellingham City.
01:13:05.000All righty, let's go ahead and talk to Cody in Georgia.
01:13:16.000I wanted to ask you, sir, if you were able to subpoena the federal guards, or if they allowed you to do that, or that judge, he seemed like a pretty reasonable judge.
01:13:26.000Yeah, do you have an idea who killed your brother?
01:13:31.000See, one of the things under the Freedom of Information Act you request is you can't You can't subpoena.
01:13:39.000I have to focus on Nichols and the documents I asked for.
01:13:51.000Even though that's where that road is going to take me, I can't just jump ahead to there.
01:13:55.000I have to go through the process of fleshing out the bombing, linking Richard Lee Guthrie, who I think my brother was mistaken for, to the bombing.
01:14:18.000I was wondering, one of the John Does they had said was Middle Eastern looking and I was curious if you, Alex, knew anything if it might have been Mossad involved or something to that effect.
01:14:56.000They were only involved in a local cover to throw the media off.
01:14:58.000The media was doing investigations of them.
01:15:01.000And some of the people even involved in 9-11 on the outside.
01:15:04.000So always in a black op, they have multiple trends, multiple patsy lines, multiple angles they can go on, and it was meant to be blamed on the American people and homegrown militias, but they were ready to fall back with the whole Middle Easterner line.
01:15:19.000As for Israel, you know, Israel has a lot of evidence involved in the Mubai attacks, so we cover that.
01:15:27.000In Israel, it's been in their papers that they've admittedly staged al-Qaeda attacks in Israel.
01:17:21.000I know that the CIA, he was there, he was the explosive instructor, it's my understanding, and the weapons instructor.
01:17:27.000He does, his father was high positioned in the German government, and the FBI knew he was leaving after the bombing to Mexico, and a former CIA person is reported to have escorted him out of the country and back to Germany.
01:18:21.000Okay, Chris in Florida, you're on the air, welcome.
01:18:24.000Yes, I'd like you to elaborate a little bit more on how the Southern Poverty Law Center had prior knowledge of how they funded her.
01:18:30.000I knew about Elohim City because, if I could explain quickly, I'll try to expose them as the race baiters they are at my local non-commercial, community-supported radio station, had Mark Potok on of the Southern Poverty Law Center.
01:18:47.000Um, and on the one o'clock show on November 18th if you want to check out their archives.
01:18:55.000And then I got to confront him, or try to confront him, but unfortunately he had to leave the air.
01:19:01.000Well, POTOX written about me, and they say there is no world government, there is no North American Union, there is no trans-Texas corridor, NAFTA highways, doesn't matter if it's been in hundreds of newspapers the last two months, doesn't matter if it's in the Financial Times of London today.
01:19:20.000In fact, let's put those articles up on screen.
01:19:28.000So, Jesse, why don't you go over the FBI documents, the specifics, that basically the leadership of the Ellen Heams scene Nazi compound was basically Southern Poverty Law, correct?
01:19:40.000All I know is the FBI documents refer to the Southern Poverty Law Center and Southern Poverty Law Center informants.
01:19:47.000The Southern Poverty Law Center has denied that they were involved.
01:19:52.000All I can tell you is that the FBI says they were.
01:19:56.000At least the documents reference, repeat.
01:19:59.000My FOIA request, I mean, the government came back with 150 pages of documents were the Southern Poverty Law Center is mentioned with the FBI on almost every page.
01:20:11.000And again, in fairness to them, the Southern Poverty Law Center says it wasn't us.
01:20:17.000And when I say, well, why in the hell would the FBI put your name on their documents if you weren't involved?
01:20:40.000It's interesting that the person who responded or tried to rebut my statement referencing the Salt Lake City Tribune articles He referred, the person in trying to rebut my statement said that, referred the listeners to the Truthdig article where it does say that, you know, even though Mark Potok denied prior knowledge, it says that even though Morris Dees earlier Sure, well let's be clear.
01:21:07.000They had their own informants inside that went back to the FBI and said, let's stop them.
01:21:10.000whether his organization had any inside source that he will him city made no such denial.
01:21:15.000Rather, he dodged the question, acknowledging that his organization worked closely with the FBI and other federal agencies, but omitting any precise details.
01:21:25.000They had their own informants inside that went back to the FBI and said, let's stop them, and then they would indict their own informants who were trying to become FBI agents to shut them up.
01:21:37.000It would be nice if they would tell the truth, because like you said, it would serve them better.
01:22:02.000And we have a group here called VOTIBS.
01:22:05.000Victims of Terrorism Information and Vital Exchange Services.
01:22:10.000We initially started in August of 2001 trying to help the other family members and survivors.
01:22:18.000They still needed counseling and help with their bills and things and then we heard about Jesse Trinidou and on the air I'd just like to say we are indebted to Jesse Trinidou for sharing with us information and Passing it on and having it on various websites.
01:22:39.000We would like to also ask your listeners if you would please contact your congressional representatives and the judiciary.
01:22:51.000We're calling for congressional hearings with a special prosecutor into the Oklahoma City bombing.
01:24:23.000Again, like I believe you or Jesse said earlier, have your listeners write about Eric Holder, write to your
01:24:32.000uh... congressman and include the oklahoma city bombing and hearings that need to be done alright Gloria good to hear from you and really again you know here i am on air uh... cynically uh... i'm trying to show people how corrupt it is cynically talking about him killing people and these are real people that was her husband uh... jesse trinidad's uh... brothers a real person murdered And if they can murder them, they can murder you.
01:24:58.000And if they can get away with that, it'll be bigger next time.
01:25:00.000And that's the whole point about corruption and evil.
01:25:02.000I'm going to let you go, Jesse Trinidad.
01:25:04.000As new things develop, please contact us again.
01:25:07.000And I would love to break any other news or information you have, any other documents that are now public you want us to post on InfoWars.com or PrisonPlanet.com.
01:25:15.000I would be really happy to put those up.
01:25:20.000In the last minute we've got left, give us the website, tell us about the reward.
01:25:24.000The website, again, is My Brother's Initials.
01:25:27.000Kenneth Michael Trinidad is kmtreward.com.
01:25:52.000This is federal government money, too.
01:25:55.000We will never defeat the globalists, the New World Order, the corrupt, the forces of darkness, if good people don't stand up and fight back.
01:26:19.000I'm going to come back in the final segment and blow these up and put them on the TV screen.
01:26:23.000I want you to see the Financial Times of London headline out there, and I want you to ask Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, all these gatekeepers, hey, there's no world government.
01:26:31.000Why are there hundreds of mainstream news articles with top policy people saying they're setting up a world government?
01:26:36.000It's going to be tyrannical and that that's good.
01:26:40.000See, tyranny is good and world taxes are good.
01:26:43.000There's the Financial Times of London.
01:26:46.000I'm going to put this up on screen for you.
01:26:51.000There is the article today, and we're going to put a blow-up of that on screen when we get back.
01:28:15.000We've got to get those guns, those evil Americans with guns.
01:28:18.000How they've got to soothe us, and how they've always soothed us, deceptively, to not let us know about it.
01:28:26.000And if you just Google New World Order, a few weeks ago I Googled it on Google News, you know, not on Google Video, but from news stories, there were thousands, what, 5,400 hits, hundreds and hundreds a day of mainstream news articles saying, oh, the world financial crisis is so terrible, we have to have world government to save us from it.
01:28:48.000So the only deceptive part about it is that they're acting like they didn't stage the economic crisis when this very paper has admitted it was staged to consolidate banking.
01:28:57.000And then they talk about how tyranny is good.
01:29:05.000Democracy has, you know, a republic's freedom has to be gotten rid of.
01:30:00.000On the screen for PrisonPlanet.tv members, this will be ripped to the four corners of the web, and that's great.
01:30:14.000Financial Times of London, and now for a world government.
01:30:19.000And this is their foreign and international affairs editor, Gideon Rakeman, and now for a world government.
01:30:31.000Now this isn't just the Financial Times of London, the most prestigious newspaper in the world, more than the New York Times, more than the Wall Street Journal, the global paper of record, this thing is subscribed to all over the world.
01:30:42.000In here they admit, in previous articles, that they engineered the financial collapse for big banks to take over smaller banks, that they've cut off liquidity to the public to implode the world economy so the banks can consolidate.
01:30:53.000I've read those articles and shown those to you as they bragged as they set this up the last three years.
01:30:58.000And here again they just brag that it's a world government.
01:31:02.000They say that democracy will have to be gotten rid of.
01:31:05.000That a world government means that people won't have liberties anymore.
01:31:16.000About how, you know, the American people and their guns, they own guns, oh my God, it's horrible, they're going to fight world government, you know, it's just terrible that we can't... and they talk about how they soothingly have tried to deny world government so that we wouldn't get upset, and they brag about how they use the word world governance because the public's so stupid they don't know governance in the dictionary means government.
01:31:44.000And they tell you, oh, you're an elite yuppie, you're an elite person, you make $100,000 a year, you're a member of the elite, you know global government doesn't exist.
01:31:58.000The liberal websites, and not just the fake neocon ones, the fake conservative ones, but the little liberal websites, Huffington Post and places, oh, none of that exists!
01:32:14.000We all know that world government doesn't exist, and that that's code for racism.
01:32:21.000Now, Paul Watson did another story about this that details it and links to some other documents and articles.
01:32:28.000Financial Times Editorial admits agenda for dictatorial world government.
01:32:33.000Jaw-dropping report concedes that global governance is a euphemism for anti-democratic global government.
01:32:41.000They're going to take your roads, your power plants, privatize your local governments, but that doesn't mean that they're actually going to run things.
01:32:48.000You'll still pay taxes, it's just that they'll double, triple the prices, and they're not paying to take over, it's just given to them.
01:32:55.000So this is globalization, and there's Paul Watson's article about it, but again, hundreds of newspapers every few days are saying, world government, the bankers will save you, you'll pay carbon taxes to them, it's just going to be a Valhalla.
01:33:08.000I have the author, Rothkopf of super class, He was in the Washington Post admitting it's world government a few months ago.