Richard Gage and the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is a group dedicated to uncovering the truth about the events that took place on September 11th, 2001 in the World Trade Center and the Twin Towers.
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00:01:29.000We had her on the show If you remember about four or five months ago and we raised money for her on the air so she could sue the federal government for basically staging the terror attacks and she's got a very, very strong case.
00:01:48.000She was inside the Pentagon and so we're going to be covering some of that with Richard Gage in the next 50 minutes as well.
00:01:55.000Richard Gage a few years ago founded, I guess about a year and a half ago, Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth and he's gotten hundreds and hundreds of members of architects and engineers, structural engineers, to join his organization.
00:02:10.000There are also other organizations with hundreds of members of scientists and physicists and others coming out and showing that clearly Building 7 and Tower 1 and 2 on 9-11 were controlled demolitions and now Mr. Gage and many others have been vindicated because NIST's latest report has had to admit that there was free fall involved.
00:02:37.000Falling at the speed of gravity as Richard has always said.
00:02:39.000They tried to spin it and claim 14 seconds.
00:02:41.000Now they've had to cut that in half and they're admitting that it did fall at free fall speeds.
00:02:48.000And so, again, these scientific questions are making a lot of scholarly individuals with a lot of letters behind their name look at the raw data.
00:02:56.000Architecture engineers and scholars from 9-11 Truth and many others have gotten He's published reports in peer-reviewed journals detailing their findings, and some of the most prestigious peer-reviewed journals out there have found their findings to be conclusive.
00:03:12.000And he's fresh back from a tour of Europe to crowds of hundreds, and in some cases thousands, of people.
00:03:19.000He's also spoken in New Jersey and New York, brought into town by police officers and others to talk to folks, and he's gone through a lot of attacks to bring you this information.
00:03:30.000So I want to salute Richard Gage for all his fine work and commend him, another example of what a highly motivated, focused, professional person can do in the defense of not just this republic, but in the defense of those that were murdered on 9-11 and now the millions that have died around the world in the war on terror, the million-plus Iraqis that have died in the name of that lie and false flag is now a household term.
00:03:55.000Self-inflicted wound is now part of the nomenclature.
00:04:00.000And now it comes out in major publications that Cheney wanted to stage terror attacks on U.S.
00:04:04.000ships just six months ago as a pretext to attack Iran.
00:04:08.000Thank God the military got the word out and stopped that.
00:04:11.000We now know that's why Admiral Fallon resigned.
00:04:13.000He was not going to be part of attacking U.S.
00:04:18.000So a lot is happening and the truth is coming out on international television in England, in Germany, in Japan, in Russia, in the Middle East, in Thank you, Alex.
00:04:36.000So we are winning this fight, and one of the frontline warriors, one of the most successful at getting the truth out, has been Richard Gage.
00:04:43.000So Richard, good to have you with us. - Thank you, Alex.
00:04:49.000I'm really excited. - Well, we've gone over the evidence of controlled demolition in all three of the towers, and not just the eyewitnesses, but the scientific evidence.
00:04:57.000But can you recap the last six months since you were on with us?
00:05:02.000What has happened with NIST, having to go back on their previous reports, and where the scientific investigation is right now?
00:05:12.000Yes, well, NIST came out with their draft report of World Trade Center 7, The third high-rise that came down, not hit by an airplane, came down in the afternoon about 5.20 on 9.11.
00:05:28.000We'll talk about how it came down, but seven years later, finally, we have a draft report in August in which they try to document that it was 40% of gravity that the building came down.
00:05:44.000Upon questions by physicist David Chandler and scientist Dr. Stephen Jones, they publicly had to backtrack and fumble their way through the conference, and in their final report, which just came out in November last month, they acknowledge that in the first two and a quarter seconds, this 47-story building drops at free-fall speed, which is eight stories.
00:06:13.000Now, prior to this, in August, they said publicly that it couldn't have fallen free-fall speed, because had it, that would mean there would have been no structure.
00:06:27.000And so now they're acknowledging free-fall speed, but they're not saying, well, there must not have been structure there.
00:06:33.000In other words, what they're basically acknowledging to the 9-11 Truth Movement and the world is that The structure had to have been removed for those eight stories because a building cannot fall at free fall speed and convert all of its gravitational potential energy to kinetic energy and do any other work.
00:06:58.000It can't crush the 40,000 tons of steel that was in the building that was designed to resist any type of collapse.
00:07:05.000And again, this was the FEMA command bunker overbuilt for strength CIA, FBI, Defense Intelligence, more than 20 secretive federal agencies based there, their largest section offices outside of Virginia and Maryland in the world.
00:07:25.000Yes, it was a very highly secure bunker, complete with all that they needed in the way of electricity, water, and backup electricity, reinforced windows against all kinds of hurricanes and so forth.
00:07:41.000But all of this was abandoned on the morning of 9-11.
00:07:49.000They had already moved out the night before most of their operations out on the pier, as FEMA said, because they were doing a top-off two-drill, a tripod two-drill for a terror attack.
00:08:04.000Yes, we understand that there were hundreds of FEMA employees the day before 9-11 in preparation for a mock biochemical attack in downtown Manhattan, and we are wondering if that is just a coincidence or not.
00:08:17.000But the 550 architects and engineers who are demanding a real investigation do try to stick with the technical evidence.
00:08:26.000We're not conspiracy theorists, so we really do want others to investigate these matters, and we're glad that you're one of them.
00:08:34.000Let's talk about that matter next, of the 550, and now a year and a half joining your group, and how it's growing exponentially.
00:08:41.000But before we go there, I'm not an architect, I'm not an engineer.
00:08:45.000But this is the main show that brought up the Building 7 controversy day one.
00:08:48.000I remember hearing the news as I was driving in my car back to the studio saying they're going to bring Building 7 down, the Salomon Brothers, they're going to have a controlled demolition so it doesn't damage other buildings.
00:08:59.000Other people remember those reports, the false reports, BBC, Fox, CNN reporting it had fallen before it fell.
00:09:06.000But I wanted to be specific here, you know, watching what NIST has said.
00:09:10.000First, they said free fall is impossible because that would have to be explosives.
00:09:13.000Only explosives can, you know, do that because as it falls it takes time to crush, you know, the next level.
00:09:19.000And, you know, the basic science shows that.
00:09:22.000But we have footage now of the entire building falling.
00:09:25.000They love to show a video from a mile away with a building in the way.
00:09:29.000We only see the first 25 stories or so because the other 20-something stories are below the field of view.
00:09:35.000But in the other videos, we've timed it.
00:10:15.000I encourage your listeners to look at the 10-minute video.
00:10:19.000That says it's piling up at the bottom.
00:10:22.000Yeah, it begins to slow down after about two and a half seconds, just slightly.
00:10:26.000It is almost freefall for the next two, three seconds, and then it slows down a little bit more, so it is very close to freefall all the way down.
00:10:36.000But you would expect that, as it actually did meet resistance, they blow the floors out, it falls in on the rubble, and then you finally do have some slowing.
00:10:44.000Yes, they're counting on the weight of the building to be harnessed to do most of the destruction.
00:10:48.000So we have witnesses who have heard explosions at the base of the building, presumably those lower eight floors.
00:10:58.000A real investigation would get at the heart of this, and also to how they might have planted such explosives.
00:11:03.000But we do know that the lobby, they had access to the lobby, which is not occupied.
00:11:09.000They had access to the fifth and sixth floor, which is mechanical floors, complete access And through the elevator shaft, they could have had access to the entire core structure of the building without being detected.
00:11:23.000Well, we're going to break and come back, and then I'm going to attempt to give you the floor.
00:11:26.000There's just so many issues I want to bring up here with Richard Gage, the founder of Architects and Engineers for 9-11.
00:11:30.000Truth, over 500 members now and growing of Structural Engineers and Architects.
00:11:35.000A very, very powerful group of accredited men and women.
00:11:41.000That cannot be ignored and we'll talk about the deceptions in the NIS reports and why they've been so deceptive and why they claim there was no molten metal when the government's own studies and their own photographs admit there was molten metal.
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00:16:03.000Richard, continue with NIST and their deceptions.
00:16:06.000For those that don't know who NIST is, you might want to tell them who they are.
00:16:09.000And then I want you to spend some more time on the explosive growth and the published papers peer-reviewed by architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth.
00:16:20.000So, acknowledging freefall, we're asking all of your listeners to write letters to the National Institute of Standards and Technology.
00:16:29.000And mostly to government officials and media officials highlighting the dichotomy of what they're saying on the one hand and what they're not saying on the other.
00:16:41.000That this could only have been by explosive control demolition.
00:16:46.000It's critical that we get a real investigation and we're asking also all of your listeners to email every architect and engineer they can find And with the link to the video that documents this deception on the part of NIST, and the video can be found on YouTube at our account, which is AE911Truth.
00:17:12.000So go to YouTube and look for AE911Truth.
00:17:18.000The most prominent one that's received 20,000 hits is this physics professor, David Chandler.
00:17:26.000And by the way, this is our international boycott YouTube day today, because they've been censoring a lot of people.
00:17:38.000But on this day, I would encourage our listeners to go get the video you've posted there and post it on BlipTV, LiveLink, and a bunch of others.
00:17:46.000We're trying to get folks to have an exodus away from YouTube.
00:17:49.000We're going to stay on YouTube and keep fighting them, but to prepare people to try to build up some other big mega sites because of the censorship of YouTube openly announcing they are now run by the ADL and they decide what goes up and what doesn't.
00:18:03.000They've been banning my videos, restricting them, doing a lot of other bad things and banning a lot of 9-11 truth videos.
00:18:08.000But a side issue, the boycott of YouTube is going on today.
00:18:11.000That's why my channel is shut down right now.
00:18:14.000But please continue with Well, you brought up molten metal as well, and this is one of the critical pieces of evidence that is denied by NIST.
00:18:29.000In fact, before NIST took over the investigation, FEMA had done their own investigation, and interestingly enough, Their conclusion, first of all, is that fire, which is their best hypothesis of how this building came down, has a very low probability of occurrence.
00:18:50.000What do you do when your best hypothesis has a low probability of occurrence?
00:18:57.000In fact, they found some evidence and documented it very well for the explosive control demolition with a new type of material, an incendiary called thermite.
00:19:12.000This stuff, there's evidence all throughout the World Trade Center of thermite.
00:19:17.000In fact, there is several tons of molten metal found by the first responders And how do you get all this molten steel when we're talking about thousands of degrees above what we know is going on?
00:19:42.000I mean, the people are standing in the wounds in the buildings, waving their arms.
00:20:36.000It is not a part of the official record.
00:20:38.000They cannot afford to acknowledge this molten metal.
00:20:42.000In fact, their lead structural engineer, John Gross, denies that there's any evidence or witnesses of molten metal.
00:20:48.000He denies this publicly when there's dozens of witnesses.
00:20:51.000And plenty of photographic evidence, as you cited, flowing out of the South Tower near the jet plane impact.
00:20:57.000The local student group, PNAC, a project for a new American citizen, they, a few years ago, questioned him about that, and he said there is no molten metal.
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00:21:20.000What we've heard so far is, oh, well, the fire was down in the debris and it was so insulated that it got hotter and hotter and hotter, which is physically impossible.
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00:25:04.000Richard Gage, the founder of Architects and Engineers, for 9-11 Truth is our guest.
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00:25:55.000She was in the Pentagon, one of the heroes, showing with her evidence that it's an inside job, and then how they persecuted her when she started asking questions.
00:26:04.000It seems that 9-11 Truth is only growing and growing and growing.
00:26:21.000We were sell-out crowds in half of the European cities.
00:26:27.000They're more awake over there and the media is less controlled in many of the areas of Europe, not all by any means.
00:26:36.000We expect to have a thousand architects and engineers signed on demanding a real investigation.
00:26:43.000By late summer, and we will take the petition to Washington, D.C., and take lots of members of the 9-11 Truth Movement with us, hold a press conference at the National Press Club, and present the petition to Congress.
00:26:59.000So we hope to also have hundreds of our architects and engineers there with us.
00:27:07.000There's a large The conference for 9-11 happening in Australia, also in November, and a very important conference in Denver, American Transparency, you must know about that one, coming up in February.
00:27:25.000So there's a lot going on, a lot happening.
00:27:29.000I wanted to make sure, I realize I left some of your listeners hanging relative to this molten metal, because some people say, well, who cares?
00:27:57.000This is pure iron with elements of aluminum, sulfur, manganese, fluorine, And even 1,3-diphenylpropane, interesting, is found.
00:28:07.000Eric Schwartz of the EPA says they've never found that before.
00:28:11.000All of this is the key chemical signature of thermite, a high-tech incendiary which is used by the military to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter.
00:28:22.000And not just thermite, but thermate, the specific type.
00:28:25.000They don't just find the thermate residue, they're finding the thermite residue.
00:28:30.000And it's not just a thermite or thermate residue either, it is a very high-tech form of thermite, thermate, with nano-sized particles found in unignited chips.
00:28:41.000Red on one side, gray on the other in all of the dust samples.
00:28:45.000So we're even finding part of the unignited explosive, the thermate.
00:28:49.000And then it turns out some of the people at NIST just so happen to be former NASA experts in thermate couplers, explosive bolts, for separating intercontinental ballistic missiles and large booster components in their second and third stages.
00:29:05.000Just so happens that there's just a few experts in the world on thermate.
00:29:11.000They just so happen to be the people over at NIST.
00:29:42.000Tell folks they can get that there at the site.
00:29:45.000Yeah, right on the left side of the website, AE911Truth.org, the evidence is listed for you on the right side.
00:29:54.000There's plenty of very important articles.
00:29:57.000The PowerPoint presentation that I have used in 80 different presentations around the country and in Europe and Canada What is the establishment trying to do to stop you or discredit you?
00:30:16.000I know that Mythbusters is doing a two-hour special, National Geographic is doing a special.
00:30:23.000They wanted me to be part of it, but it's a guy that does hit pieces on Patriot groups and on JFK researchers.
00:30:30.000And so there's no point in being interviewed so he can edit it all together.
00:30:33.000I believe you were interviewed by these guys, though.
00:30:36.000So there's a whole group, and that's just two of the shows.
00:30:40.000There's several other big shows being produced trying to counter us right now.
00:30:45.000Yes, and I'm not so sure that the gentleman that interviewed me for the National Geographic two-hour TV 9-11 documentary is producing a hit piece on this particular subject.
00:31:00.000He has seemed fairly well-convinced to me and gave us every benefit of the doubt.
00:31:14.000Time and time again, people will say, oh, the BBC was so nice.
00:31:17.000And I go, no, I've seen... I go look at what they've made in the past.
00:31:20.000He is a specialist in going after alternative media.
00:31:25.000And I did a whole show about his inside the you know limo special that aired on Discovery Channel a few weeks ago and just the whole thing is a misrepresentation.
00:31:40.000And then I interviewed Robert Grodin, who was the expert, one of the leading experts in the world, but helped make the film JFK, was the main consultant on that, technical consultant to Oliver Stone.
00:31:51.000And he was there when they were in Dallas with the car doing their shots.
00:31:55.000He said, but that's not where the shooter was.
00:32:18.000Will you guys bring me a sheet with those collars on it?
00:32:20.000Because I want to go to those here in just the next few minutes.
00:32:26.000Richard, there's so many other facets to this, other points in your research that you haven't made that we need to go over, and then secondarily, second, I would like you to speak about the explosive growth of your organization.
00:32:42.000Well, relative to Building 7, let's complete this, because it's not just the fact that we have free fall, which is only one of the many smoking guns.
00:32:53.000This building, 47 stories high, It begins immediately its descent, and it falls symmetrically and smoothly, nearly straight down, and almost into its own footprint.
00:33:05.000This is a feat that only a handful of companies in the world can even accomplish, and it is in itself proof of controlled demolition, because in order to bring a building straight down, you have to take out, in this case, the 23 core columns within a tenth of a second of each other, Synchronistically timed, floor-by-floor.
00:33:24.000That's the only way you can get it to come down straight.
00:33:27.000So that is a second smoking gun, if you will.
00:33:32.000Indeed, also, we have throughout the whole Ground Zero, all of this dust that blanketed lower Manhattan has these tiny iron-rich microspheres smaller than a human hair, most of them.
00:33:44.000This could only have come from an aluminothermic event.
00:33:48.000Because they have the chemical ingredients, once again, of ignited thermite.
00:33:51.000So, there's no way that all of this dust, 20 minutes away in the Brooklyn Bridge, up on top of the skyscrapers, two, three blocks away, and filling all of the apartments, could have these billions of these spheres.
00:34:42.000And they can't magically have the spheres be made up of the exact compounds in explosive thermite.
00:34:48.000That's right, and attached to the unignited chips as found in the dust by Dr. Stephen Jones, and documented in peer-reviewed journals like the The Open Civil Engineering Journal and others.
00:36:01.000I mean, we have to become our own media.
00:36:03.000I know you're the major proponent of this, and we have to get this evidence out to the American people, and it's going mostly, I think, word of mouth.
00:36:12.000In addition to alternative media, internet, it is happening, and there is pressure from underneath, if you will, on the mainstream media, so every once in a while they have to respond to it, or they look like they're not doing their job, and they don't want to have that appearance, do they?
00:36:27.000So we get National Geographic to respond, whether it's a hit piece or not, BBC doing their hit piece, and people get to see Building 7 coming down for the first time, because it's never been played after the first day on 9-11.
00:36:49.000We are a non-partisan group of 560, I think, now.
00:36:57.000They're architects and engineers, licensed and or degreed and we are looking at all of these pieces of evidence and virtually every architect or engineer we show this information to ends up agreeing with us if they're willing to sit down with it for a half an hour or an hour or in some cases two hours is the length we've been speaking.
00:37:24.000They go, my God, why didn't I know about this?
00:37:27.000Well, there's lots of reasons for that, but do you agree with the technical, science-based, forensic evidence?
00:37:37.000Then let's get an investigation to find out what the other issues are, such as, obviously, if this is thermite, and Al-Qaeda didn't have access to these buildings, Al-Qaeda didn't have access to this high-tech We're talking about some kind of other operation, and the architects and engineers don't speculate too much beyond that, because it's beyond our technical credibility.
00:38:04.000But what we can do is provide the tools for your listeners to take the AE911Truth.org link, with the power of our 560 technical professionals, to their friends, to the media, to their congressmen, and really start to move this through.
00:39:08.000Yeah, I want to make this short but it's going to take a while.
00:39:12.000I went on Google and I put in Global Hawk and I went down to images and there's about 20 or 12 pages of thumbnail pictures of various pictures of the Global Hawk and about a third of the picture down it says Global Hawk hits Pentagon and it has an explosion and there's a website under it.
00:39:33.000Then on the next page there's one Global Hawk, Pentagon, 9-11, and it's painted an American Airlines paint scheme.
00:39:43.000Well, there's a lot of debate about what happened at the Pentagon, and the way they covered up the videos, the way the witnesses said they smelled cordite, or basically gunpowder, explosives.
00:39:55.000That is a major issue there, and we've covered it, and we've got April Gallup coming on next week, who's filed suit over this.
00:40:01.000She was in the Pentagon, and didn't see any plane, didn't see any wreckage, and they told her to shut up about it.
00:40:06.000But, you know, the stronger evidence really is the controlled demolition, and then separately the fact that our government, which is illegitimate, has staged terror attacks over and over again that are declassified and admitted.
00:40:17.000I mean, there are hundreds of examples where they admit they staged terror attacks on our troops, on our ships, or on other countries to blame it on their enemies.
00:40:26.000We have an illegitimate government that's doing this, a group of terrorists.
00:40:30.000And so I find that to be the strongest politically, to make people understand it, that, well, hey, If I'm a cop and I'm looking for a serial killer, and we find a murder that has the same M.O.
00:40:44.000of the other serial killings, then we go look at the usual suspect.
00:40:48.000These guys have done this over and over again, so that's why we do that.
00:40:51.000Richard Gage, your comments on the Pentagon?
00:40:55.000You're right, it is a little bit of a mess, Alex.
00:40:59.000There's clearly cover-up going on at the Pentagon.
00:41:02.000They had hundreds of cameras that would have told us what did or didn't hit the Pentagon.
00:41:08.000And they're not releasing them, only the unclear five frames.
00:41:16.000They came and took the FBI, after five or ten minutes, the cameras from the hotel and the gas station nearby.
00:41:25.000So, we have enough very hard evidence, as you mentioned, at the three worst structural failures in modern history, the high-rises, that have not been properly investigated, and then that have their own set of cover-ups to go with.
00:41:43.000And so, there's some controversy within the 9-11 Truth Movement about the Pentagon.
00:41:49.000So our particular organization focuses on the high-rises instead, where there is very little controversy about the mechanisms for how these buildings were taken down.
00:42:17.000In the next hour we've got a bunch of land rights feudalism issues as we're all basically being driven off the land, micromanaged.
00:42:24.000The king has sent out swarms of agents to eat out our substance as the founders complained in 1776 when the Declaration of Independence signed July 4th.
00:42:42.000The President of Property Rights, Congress of Missouri, Russell Wood on.
00:42:46.000They want you to have to register your premises to be able to hunt on your own land and pay fines and fees.
00:42:50.000And they say it's a privilege to hunt on your own land, separate from having to get all the little permission slips, the licenses from the king.
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00:44:21.000investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S.
00:44:27.000I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
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00:46:35.000Hi Alex, first I'd like to thank you and Richard for spreading and keeping the 9-11 movement strong so long.
00:46:38.000the truth you also support this transmission let's go ahead and talk to Randy in Michigan you're on the air with Richard Gage go ahead Randy hi Alex first I'd like to thank you you and Richard for spreading the and keeping the 9/11 movement strong so long I mean it's I know people are saying it's seven years or you know it's been a while but my question for Richard I'd just like to know the name of some more your books and I had a comment after that as well
00:47:04.000Well, several videos have been made with Richard's work, and we have those available at InfoWars.com.
00:47:09.000Their latest film is 9-11 Blueprint for Truth, available at AE911Truth.org.
00:47:22.000Well, related to that question, I was just wondering, because I purposely go to the library to ask for, you know, 9-11-related books, and, you know, so when the library's crowded, I'll get weird looks from the librarian, because I'll know the title of the book, and I'll say, well, what books do you have from Vincent Bugliosi?
00:47:36.000So then she has to say the title, and people look at me like, what?
00:47:38.000You know, President Bush wanted for murder?
00:47:40.000And, you know, I kind of pull a backwards trick for that, but, um, you know, I first off recommend going to see Endgame first for anybody that's getting into this, because If you watch it, it kind of starts and gives you, you know, it resets the history so you really know what happened before you go see all this natural stuff and you can see how it relates.
00:47:57.000Yeah, it gives it to you in a historical perspective.
00:48:08.000Thank you so much for letting me on your air and thank you so much for all the great work that y'all do.
00:48:13.000As a correction, I'm not a structural engineer.
00:48:16.000That's usually a civil engineer's test.
00:48:19.000My screen just said that, so somebody said that or something close to that to the person answering the phone.
00:48:25.000Yeah, I'm a mechanical engineer, but I do, as a certified welding inspector, go to building and structures and review the structural engineer's recommendations and enforce the contract documents by making sure Uh, that they get followed.
00:48:37.000And I'll write a report that says that the structural engineer's recommendations are followed or not followed and make recommendations as to how they can be remedied.
00:48:45.000Um, but I want to get to the, uh, quick and skinny about the NIS report that came out just a couple months ago.
00:48:51.000What they're suggesting is that this column 79 on floor 23, which had many attachments, this is a column that was attached to, or excuse me, a floor beam, which they said expanded from a linear thermal expansion from these office fires.
00:49:05.000As far as my knowledge, the only thing inside these offices are normal consumables, like books, papers, carpet, etc.
00:49:12.000Which smolder and burn at 800 degrees, 900 degrees, all hail thermal expansion, a new scientific development in the history of building fires.
00:49:23.000Yes, and they're suggesting that all this overcame a connection at Column 79, which was also attached to four other floor beams, as well as the deck connections, which are all welded.
00:49:38.000And, you know, there's many, many connections.
00:49:39.000Not to mention a five-inch thick concrete slab that has reinforcement of steel rebar or post-tension tendons.
00:49:48.000What we need to do is have a finite element method survey that's applied to this geometry and then put different initial load conditions in and run the FEA software and say, we already know that this is silly, but a good FEA survey will prove this is silly.
00:50:03.000And this is something that I promoted on Neocon Radio, and I enjoy doing it when I can.
00:50:08.000Well, the criminals running the government, it's not our government, they engage in a cover-up of everything, so we can't find out specifically.
00:51:55.000Final segment with Richard Gage, architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth, commenting on what the last gentleman was saying.
00:52:18.000Richard, before we go to a few final calls.
00:52:21.000Well, he was highlighting the unviability of the thesis of NIST.
00:52:27.000First of all, the photographic evidence of the fires on the 12th and 13th floor Indicate that the fires were out for the last hour and a half of the life of the building.
00:52:37.000And yet, their fire simulations fraudulently shows massive fires around Column 79, as you suggested, for well more than the 20 minute duration that a fire can exist in any one place.
00:52:53.000Because it consumes the low quantities of consumables and moves on.
00:52:57.000It creeps around, but they have this continuous, across the board, massive inferno.
00:53:04.000Yes, and so this massive inferno, let's say, okay, maybe it was there, but it's not just one building, it's not just one building, it's three doing this.
00:53:13.000But in Building 7, what they're saying is that this fire elongated the beams, pushed the girder off its seat on the column, And then that caused floor 13 to fall, and 12, 12 to fall, and 11, etc.
00:53:26.000for nine floors inside the building, leaving column 79 unbraced, and so then it buckles.
00:53:33.000But all of this action would have deformed the exterior of the building, and that's not what happens.
00:53:39.000But it does happen in a computer model.
00:53:41.000Interestingly enough, there's severe warping, indentation, and bulging.
00:53:45.000And tipping, actually, of the upper part of the building.
00:53:49.000They could not get their computer model to match what actually happened in the video, because clearly that building would have tipped over in any kind of collapse caused by fire, and that's why they don't even show us what happens above about the 20th floor, because it was clearly tipping as a result of all the bulging and indentation.
00:54:52.000Instantly as it starts collapsing Tower 1 and 2, not just 7, instantly as Tower 1 and 2 start detonating with blast squibs, clearly 4, 5, in some cases 10 floors below, it's pulverizing with explosive force.
00:55:06.000Little fires don't eject pyroclastic flows of pulverized office furniture, desks, people blown into tiny pieces.
00:55:16.000And they don't eject 4 and 20 ton perimeter steel beams 55 miles an hour exiting instant acceleration out of the sides of the Twin Tower landing 600 feet away.
00:56:13.000Kevin, Jim, and others, we'll get to you later if you want to hold or not.
00:56:15.000You can leave because we're getting into some other subjects.
00:56:18.000But Richard Gage, I want to have you back up again in the near future.
00:56:20.000We commend you for your tireless work for the truth and for liberty.
00:56:23.0009-11 has been used to destroy our Bill of Rights and Constitution and launch us on a path towards criminal world government.
00:56:30.000Not only by exposing this great new mythos they've created, this new religion of tyranny, can liberty then grow again in our fine land and worldwide.
00:56:39.000So, I commend you, my friend, and we salute you.
00:56:49.000Ladies and gentlemen, get into the feudalism being set up as the people are being treated like third world serf slaves.
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01:00:40.000I remember about 15 years ago when the Forest Service, Department of Land Management, local game wardens started setting up SWAT teams.
01:00:51.000People out in the back of a boat fishing would have guys run up, a man with a small child that was in I think the NRA magazine a few years ago pointed machine guns at him.
01:01:01.000They're raiding farmers and ranchers claiming they don't have permits for organic eggs.
01:01:06.000They're raiding local co-ops that are selling their eggs or milk.
01:01:12.000And they're hiring all these bureaucracies.
01:01:17.000And now when you talk to a game warden, because we have a piece of property we've had since 1829 in East Texas, Mexican land grant, they're rude.
01:01:31.000They'll get out and go, I want to see everything you're doing.
01:01:34.000I want to make sure the tags are right on this deer.
01:01:37.000I mean, it just goes on and on and on.
01:01:43.000You know, the landowner, with the tag on the deer, was driving it for my great-uncle to the local processor.
01:01:53.000You know, they gutted it, but they wanted to have it turned into sausage, so he was taking it.
01:01:57.000State police jumped on him, screamed at him, acted like he was a criminal, said, you're going to jail, and then told him it was illegal for him to be transporting a deer that wasn't his, and he said, I'm the landowner.
01:02:10.000Didn't matter if my uncle was even known to the state police officer and our family been there forever.
01:02:15.000It's about letting us know we're trash and scum and that they own us.
01:02:20.000Now, it's not enough that they now run a background check on you when you buy a license all over the country.
01:02:26.000Feds pushed it, states passed it, most of them.
01:02:30.000So now if you haven't paid your child support or if you've got some background or you can't go buy the Hunting license and the hunting license is everywhere just exploding in price.
01:02:43.000This is all designed to go after law abiding people.
01:02:45.000So see they train you how to be a slave, how to be a serf, just like in jolly old England.
01:03:41.000And I'm aware of a case, similarly, where they're trying to pass things like this in Missouri.
01:03:46.000And people are fighting back there in Missouri against this.
01:03:49.000And Russell Wood, the President of the Property Rights Congress, and Again, you have to register your farm, you have to register your ranch, it can be 10 acres.
01:04:00.000If you want to put a deer blind out back for your grandson, you go register with them and you waive all your rights and they say it's a privilege.
01:04:08.000And then of course they can start fining, feeing, and taxing.
01:04:12.000So I briefly wanted to have him on for about 15-20 minutes to talk about that, because even if you don't hunt, you've been conditioned to hate hunting, just like they did in England.
01:04:20.000Now they've banned hunting, they're back to feudalism, but the king, the queen, the royals can still hunt, they've banned most forms of hunting.
01:04:27.000You can go buy a steak at the store and that's okay, but don't shoot it yourself, it's supposedly cruel.
01:04:31.000Again, they want to dehumanize us, they want to kill our rural culture.
01:04:35.000They want us totally under their control.
01:04:38.000In the 20s and 30s when we had the depression, 90% of people were agrarian, on the land, self-sufficient, and 7 million starved to death, according to a major university study that was out a few months ago.
01:04:48.000Now, 90 plus percent of us live in the cities, and of the 10% that live in the country, only half of those, or 5% of the country, are what you'd call self-sufficient.
01:05:59.000Tell us exactly what you're facing there in Missouri.
01:06:03.000The Conservation Department is trying to get some new regulations in place And the way the latest department is set up here, they're free of the legislature.
01:06:16.000Our lawmakers really have almost no control, well virtually no control, over their rules, regulations and or their spending.
01:06:26.000They've been giving a never-ending one-eighth cent sales tax with no control from any elected officials.
01:06:38.000So they are pretty much free to do as they please, and right now they're proposing a new set of hunting regulations on deer and turkey, where they say, for one thing, that you must own at least 80 acres to qualify for a no-cost landowner deer permit, deer tag, or turkey tag.
01:07:06.000This is something that we're just simply not going to, we're just not going to stand for.
01:07:12.000They're also saying that we must register our property if we want this, if we want to hunt on our own property.
01:07:24.000The way they say it, they say landowner, hunters wanting to receive landowner deer and turkey permit privileges.
01:07:34.000They're going to extend us a privilege.
01:07:37.000We must first register our property with the landowner registry.
01:07:45.000And on this registering, they want, now this is off of their literature, they want property location, section, township, range.
01:07:57.000They want number of acres at that location.
01:08:02.000They want the status of each person there, whether it's immediate, household, whatever.
01:08:11.000Then they will be able to have their point of sale system so that when you walk in there, they have verification that you actually own land.
01:08:20.000They say that people have cheated on this before.
01:08:26.000Oh yeah, it's always how we all have to be treated like criminals, guilty until proven innocent, to stop a few, quote, cheats.
01:08:33.000I mean, you heard me do that whole rant earlier, sir, about the way they're treating people, the way they're acting, all these new bureaucrats, they're just, I mean, they need to get off our back.
01:08:42.000And just what you just read, they're saying it's a privilege to hunt on your own land, because it's our land.
01:08:47.000You pay property taxes on it, And then we come in there and then we give you permission to hunt on your own land.
01:08:54.000If you want to receive permit privileges.
01:09:00.000But they closed this little part by saying requiring persons to declare their specific land ownership up front will make it, now get this, easier for department personnel to verify land ownership.
01:09:14.000They don't say anything about this is a good deal for managing livestock.
01:09:19.000How about you go to the state and get half these people fired in this economy?
01:09:26.000There's no commercial poaching going on that I know of anymore.
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01:15:58.000Russell Wood, I want to have you back on for a full hour to go over this more in the future, but in the short segment we have, more about your fight against these people I mean, look, it's time for us to stop being so nice, too.
01:16:28.000When you see these DNR people or these game wardens that are out of control, I'd walk right up to them in the local cafe and say, I'm tired of you enslaving this country and sucking off of us, and it's time for us to start shunning them and being aggressive like our founding fathers did, not just saying, well, we won't hunt this year.
01:16:43.000I know people have done that in other states, and I remember a few years ago in Missouri, Wasn't there something similar along these lines that made them back off?
01:16:57.000Well, I'll tell you what makes me mad.
01:16:58.000I read the stories about states where they don't pass the animal ID or premises ID to waive all your rights and go under their control.
01:17:05.000And then they'll tell, okay, the 4-H club, you've all got to sign your parents' property over to us so you can't show your cows or pigs.
01:17:12.000Oh yeah, I'm deeply immersed in this animal ID thing.
01:17:14.000pig she wins they wait and they grab her put her hands behind her back and throw her off the property to make it look like she's a criminal these are bullies i mean you're you know about those cases i bet oh yeah we've had yeah we're i'm deeply immersed in this animal id thing yeah um yeah it's uh and it comes from all angles comes from every side doesn't it well that's why i'm I mean, it's feudalism.
01:18:48.000The one major one that we had had to do with the watershed district that had been put into effect legally, a freestanding entity with the rule-making rights and privileges established by the state.
01:19:09.000We didn't know about this until it was already in effect, and we went to work with legislators and pointing out what they had really done, and as happens too often, it had been fast without those voting for it really realizing what it said and what it did.
01:19:31.000And we were able to get that reversed.
01:19:37.000Nine counties were brought into this one big district, and some of the county commissioners didn't even know it was going on, hadn't even been contacted.
01:19:46.000As I say, we did get that reversed to prevent establishing a freestanding unit with the ability to make laws governing that district.
01:20:00.000And then they were to let people know what the rules were.
01:20:05.000This is an offshoot or actually an integral part of the Agenda 21 concepts of doing away with county boundaries.
01:20:18.000And here in Missouri right now, they're trying to blur the line between Missouri and Arkansas on watershed issues.
01:20:30.000We're so involved with the National Animal Identification System, and the efforts, combined efforts, not just us but others, we've been able to get a law passed here in Missouri to prevent mandatory premise registration for the National Animal Identification System.
01:20:51.000That's right, because there's not a law, but by color of law they try to fool and terrorize people into thinking there's a law, so you have to pass a law saying this is a fraud, there isn't a law.
01:21:00.000Yeah, and now the USDA has issued directives to the veterinarians and so forth to go ahead, now this is their wording, they say go ahead and assign a premise number to those who do not want one and put a little asterisk by it saying it was not And that's indentured servitude, making the professionals go out and enforce things that aren't even laws.
01:21:30.000Let's do a minute or two on the other side if you can, because I want to give out your phone number so folks can contact you.
01:21:35.000Russell's also a former school teacher, owner of Cable Enterprises, former owner of radio stations and movie theaters, and he's out there fighting Big Brother.
01:21:59.000For the past several months, folks have constantly asked me to give them the date as to when they should be finished stocking up on food.
01:22:06.000We've been so beaten up by stock market banking, housing and unemployment crashes that we're desensitized and frozen inactive like the frog being unknowingly cooked in gradually increasingly hot water.
01:22:21.000Former Secretary of State Colin Powell went on CBS Meet the Press and pointed to about January 22nd as the time a major international incident would force the new president to make unpopular decisions.
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01:24:20.000investigators believe that there are Israelis, again, very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S.
01:24:27.000I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
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01:24:49.000Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.
01:24:53.000All those drifter's days are past me now.
01:25:19.000I've got so much We've only got about 26 and a half minutes left in the broadcast today.
01:25:35.000I could talk for hours with Russell Wood, former president of the Ozark chapter, of a group that is fighting against the NIS, the Animal ID, the Primus Society, all of it.
01:25:50.000Russell Wood, go ahead and fire out the phone number for Missourians out there that are listening and people around the country.
01:25:56.000Similar things are happening everywhere that are fighting against this feudalism, forcing people without a law to have Animal ID, microchips in their animals, Prima Society, making you register your property to be able to hunt on your own property.
01:26:07.000Then we're going to go to our next guest, And the director, Maurice Thompson, of the Buckeye Institute for Constitutional Law, and that deals with this amazing case that WorldNetDaily and others have been covering.
01:26:20.000Well, WorldNetDaily finally got on it yesterday.
01:27:10.000And we're getting some no hunting posters made up that we hope to get distributed throughout the state to let them see that these are areas that are going to be taken out of use, you know, for those who buy their tags from the state.
01:27:31.000Give your number out again one more time, sir, and then I want to have you back up because I know you've been leading the fight in Missouri against the animal ID and premises ID successfully.
01:27:39.000So I want to have you back up separately in the next few weeks on that subject.
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01:29:27.000And all over the nation on this feudalism issue of the people being enslaved with classical tyranny, they're trying to tell folks they've got to register their wells or put meters on their wells or tax them for their wells, even water wells for their homes.
01:29:41.000In some cases, hundred-year-old wells.
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01:29:58.000Okay, we are joined next by Mortise Thompson, Director of the 1851 Center for Constitutional Law, working with the Buckeye Institute on the case of the Manistore House.
01:30:09.000A few years ago, this farming family, organic farmers, started buying other peoples and producing their own organic foods, eggs and things like that.
01:30:19.000And they had a little storehouse in their home, and they would sell a few thousand dollars a month to their neighbors.
01:30:23.000Or they would pool together to buy organic food and bring it into their community with just a few of their neighbors.
01:31:02.000Well, let me talk about that latter part first, and then I'll come back and circle around to the facts.
01:31:07.000First of all, your segue into this couldn't have been any better, even your advertisements, because that's what this is really about, is the most basic and fundamental of human rights.
01:31:16.000And it's a battle over what behavior we can engage in without a government permission slip.
01:31:22.000And this simple behavior is the behavior that our grandparents engaged in, and Americans for generations have.
01:31:28.000You know, which is riding down the road and picking up some food from the local farmer.
01:31:33.000The Buckeye Institute is an organization in Ohio dedicated to limited government, dedicated to free markets, and generally the right to be left alone by the government, so long as you're not hurting anybody else.
01:31:45.000And the reason we picked up on this case is because it implicates a couple really important concerns.
01:31:51.000One that I've already mentioned, which is what activity, what basic activity, really deserves to be licensed And can be licensed under the Constitution.
01:32:00.000And the second is, when is it constitutionally permissible for officers to use this kind of force in raiding somebody's personal home?
01:32:10.000Now, if I can circle back around and talk about the facts of this case, the Stowers family is a family that lives in a very rural Amish part of Ohio.
01:32:17.000They themselves aren't Amish, but they're very religious.
01:32:21.000They have a great number of children in the house.
01:32:23.000They have eight of their own children.
01:32:34.000They're related to homeschool their children.
01:32:37.000They are classically independent, off-the-grid people.
01:32:40.000They don't rely on the government for their food or for their education.
01:32:43.000They've run this co-op, this family-run food co-op, for six to seven years, and they have their own 20-some acre small farm where they have sheep that they butcher for meat, and goats, and they can get milk from them as well.
01:32:56.000And they've also got connections to Amish farmers who have grass-fed cattle and pastured chickens and pesticide-free produce.
01:33:06.000And they procure all these things through their co-ops.
01:33:09.000And Joseph Stalin wouldn't have liked this.
01:33:35.000And now what we have is small farmers being squeezed by these regulations.
01:33:39.000And, you know, it's one of two things.
01:33:41.000It really is either a government interest in really tightly controlling the food supply, or it's just government as a big dumb animal that backs its way into unsafe situations.
01:33:51.000Well, to interrupt, I have a lot of their own documents where they say they've got to break down the family, break down the farm.
01:33:56.000The family's a disease, and they know people are exiting the cities They're kind of going into Amish light by the hundreds of thousands a year.
01:34:04.000They see that trend going into the millions a year.
01:34:07.000I'm considering evacuating to the countryside, and I live right here in Austin, Texas, just because the cities are so degenerate, the culture is so evil, the crime is exploding, and they don't like it.
01:34:17.000The system does not want people going back to the land.
01:34:20.000Well, but it's not, you know, it's not just nefarious government officials.
01:34:25.000It's government officials who are persuaded by special interest groups And government really should not be the pliable tool of special interest groups, but all too often it is.
01:34:35.000If you look at the regulations they're charged with violating, they're charged with being a retail food establishment without a license.
01:34:42.000First of all, they're not even a retail food establishment.
01:34:45.000They're basically a members-only, private membership organization, buying club.
01:34:51.000It's as though, you know, if you and I wanted to buy the right kind of beef from an Amish farmer, we have to buy the whole cow.
01:34:59.000If I want to go buy a duck, or a chicken, or a cow, or a pig, or their eggs, or if I want to get together with ten families to pool money to buy organic food, I mean, this is ridiculous!
01:35:16.000And, you know, the thing I was going to mention is that there are actually 22 exemptions to this retail food establishment law.
01:35:23.000But you know, as Nobel economist Milton Friedman pointed out many years ago, the guys that are writing the licensure laws most of the time are the industry people themselves, and they're lobbyists.
01:35:36.000Everybody with a lobbyist sits down at the table and writes the law, and guess who gets left out of that process?
01:35:41.000The small family farmer, the organic cooper, cooperative runner, who doesn't have a lobbyist down in Columbus or down in Washington, To exempt them.
01:35:53.000So you've got a number of people, you know, the government will argue this is a public safety issue, but the truth is there are a whole slew of people who run more dangerous food operations.
01:36:03.000If dangerous at all, then the Stowers family... Well look, they've shut down most of the family farms with regulations.
01:36:09.000We know Animal ID and Premises ID was openly written by big agribusiness to put expenses on small farms and ranches to bankrupt them.
01:36:17.000That's what big corporations always do.
01:36:18.000Let's get into the raid itself and where you're going with this.
01:36:47.000God forbid we have freedom to contract among two consenting adults who want to protect their own health interests.
01:36:52.000Well, you know, there was never any report filed, but the health department came out He said they might need a license.
01:37:00.000The family responded by writing a letter to the health department.
01:37:03.000Asking for clarification on the law, and asking for evidence.
01:37:05.000Look, just being able to write probably angered the Health Department, because the general public saw Fluoride and Prozac, and they said, look, we got one that knows how to write.
01:37:14.000Send a SWAT team immediately, that's Al-Qaeda for sure!
01:37:17.000Well, the Health Department didn't like it, you're right, because whenever individuals defend their rights against the government, the government's never too happy, because these people have some imperial hubris about them.
01:37:44.000Well, first they sent in an Ohio Department of Agriculture official.
01:37:48.000Who basically treated this like a drug investigation.
01:37:52.000He went undercover and tried to join the co-op as a member.
01:37:56.000Of course they could, you know, they could... Yeah, they're shifting their whole fake war on drugs that they admit was really meant to get spies.
01:38:02.000Now they're shifting it on to organic farmers, see?
01:38:06.000War on drug tactics are dangerous and they have been for a long time.
01:38:09.000And now we do see some of the issues with that where these same drug war tactics are being used against people Who everybody now has to acknowledge are not a danger to anyone.
01:39:42.000There is no more fundamental right, especially when you're talking about basic food.
01:39:47.000It really doesn't get any more fundamental.
01:39:49.000But these parasites, tell them what the parasites did.
01:39:52.000Well, based upon this one alleged sale of eggs, this retail sale, quote-unquote, the OD agent went and procured a search warrant, and then he exaggerated the situation and got the right to search the family's entire personal residence, not just the part where the co-op was.
01:40:13.000So, on December 1st in the morning, armed officers surrounded the house, And then went in with guns drawn.
01:40:22.000The lead officer was a violent fugitive task force officer.
01:40:43.000Well, and you know, the thing is, The police had no reason to be so forceful or to be scared and wetting themselves with concern over this family.
01:40:53.000Except that FEMA teaches them that rural people are terrorists.
01:40:57.000Well, if you look at the definition of terrorism in the Ohio revised code, and then you compare it to what happened to these people, You may find that that fits the facts of the crime.
01:41:09.000That's right, under the new Federal Patriot Act, any action that's a misdemeanor, basically, in Section 802 of it, but tell folks, aiming guns at the children?
01:41:17.000Well, to be fair, Alex, some of the blog facts initially reported were overblown, but that doesn't diminish the significance.
01:41:27.000This was not a SWAT team, but it was police using SWAT-like tactics They burst through into the house after the door was opened, before they obtained any kind of consent to enter.
01:41:40.000They locked it down as though it were enemy battle territory.
01:41:44.000They ushered the whole family by force into one small room, where numerous agents from health departments and from the Department of Agriculture came in, combed over their entire personal residence, took all of their personal food.
01:41:58.000This is a family of ten who had just butchered A large part of their herd of sheep, and they took all of this meat from this family.
01:42:06.000And I'm sure the government targeted it.
01:42:08.000I'm sure they targeted them to try to bankrupt them.
01:42:12.000They were trying to set up some sort of controlled buy, and they were waiting for this meat to get back to the family to do this.
01:42:18.000And of course, they had to wait so long that they were outside of the scope of the warrant, which had actually expired by the time they did this.
01:42:31.000They take everything from this family, and they still have a lot of these things.
01:42:37.000They've just given back some of the computers and cell phones, but they've kept the rest, and they're now looking to press criminal charges.
01:43:23.000And you can, you know, the whole argument that this is a public safety issue is undermined by the fact that there are 22 exemptions to the law.
01:43:31.000I mean, and these are people that are treated no differently than the Stowers, or they treat their food no differently than the Stowers.
01:43:41.000I mean, why were they relishing putting so much manpower, not into missing children, not into car thefts, not into home invasions or rapes, but casing and spying and tracking egg sellers?
01:43:53.000It's really not clear whether they're trying to enhance their own bureaucratic self-interest, trying to justify their existence.
01:44:00.000As a bureaucracy, it's really not clear, but here's the important thing to know about your Fourth Amendment rights, when it relates to search and seizure here, is that, you know, these paramilitary raids are on the rise, and they're on the rise for offenses like this, alleged offenses like this, that at best are licensure law violations, and the police don't have the right to use this kind of force on peaceful people.
01:44:25.000The reason that this knock-and-announce rule was put into place And the only reason they can be violated are when there's either one, worry that the evidence is going to be destroyed, or two, there's worry that the people inside are armed and dangerous and going for their guns.
01:44:43.000And there is never any indication that these people were going to destroy the evidence.
01:44:48.000But see, now they say if you're a gun owner, though, that's their excuse to go after you.
01:44:54.000I wouldn't have been surprised to have seen that.
01:44:57.000And the affidavit that procured the search warrant, but not even that much was alleged.
01:45:01.000There was no allegation in the affidavit that these people were dangerous.
01:45:04.000Now, have they given back their food, or are they just letting it all spoil?
01:45:08.000Well, right now, they're, uh, I've been told they're storing it in an undisclosed location somewhere, and they say that it's being kept frozen.
01:45:29.000So when we come back in the final five minutes, I'm going to try to shut up and just let you finish up what really happened inside of there for the six plus hours and now where this case is going and then of course give out the Buckeye Institute website.
01:45:42.000The Center for Constitutional Law for our substantive audience so they can... And then I'll have you back sometime in the near future for a full hour to explain to people their basic rights that if we don't fight for, we'll disappear.
01:45:55.000If you don't fight for a right, it dies.
01:46:05.000We must animate our liberties, our freedoms.
01:46:09.000And the tyranny Unfolding against humanity right now is just off the charts.
01:46:15.000You know, in the behind-the-scenes talk on PrisonPlanet.tv with our guest, Maurice Thompson, constitutional law scholar and director over there at the Constitutional Law Center with the Buckeye Institute.
01:46:27.000You were talking about paramilitary raids on peaceful people for, you know, tiny things that might be a $50 fine, though they had exemptions.
01:46:40.000uh Finish up with that, and then what happened in the raid, and then where are the lawsuits going, and give folks the website.
01:46:47.000I'll reiterate what I told you over the break, and that is that one of the things we're fighting for here are people's Fourth Amendment rights.
01:46:55.000And, you know, courts have spoken to this issue over and over again for hundreds of years, And that is that there is a man's home is his castle, and there's a certain amount of dignity and privacy that people are allowed to be entitled to in the home, and that prohibits these kind of Russian, forced, paramilitary-style raids unless they're absolutely necessary.
01:47:18.000And they're necessary either where there's imminent danger that the evidence is going to be destroyed, or where there's imminent danger to the police because people might go for their guns.
01:47:27.000Here, there was no allegation of that.
01:47:28.000And more and more common, we're seeing these kinds of raids on people Where there is no worry about evidence and no worry about danger, and we believe that that actually violates people's Fourth Amendment rights because even if you get a search warrant, the search and seizure has to be Conducted reasonably, and we think that's inherently unreasonable.
01:47:46.000So finish up with what happened in the house and where you're going from now.
01:47:49.000Well, the authorities come in, they seize all the family's personal food supply, and they take a bunch of other food that actually belongs to other members of the co-op who haven't picked it up yet, since it had been delivered perhaps.
01:48:03.000They keep the family for six hours in this small part of the house as they do all these things, small children.
01:48:11.000Who never, being homeschooled, are used to a peaceful environment, never experienced such a thing, and are still a little bit shook up, not to mention how the parents view it.
01:48:19.000Well, they take all these things, and they take off eventually.
01:48:27.000They took the family's personal computer.
01:48:28.000They took the computers that the homeschool lessons are on, and they took the computers that the daughter uses to talk to her husband, who's fighting for our country in Iraq.
01:48:37.000They took all the family's personal cell phones.
01:48:40.000They took way more than they had a justification to take, and this happens pretty commonly.
01:48:46.000Again, these are drug war tactics, and this was a drug war style raid.
01:48:49.000Well, they're going to turn the loose on everything.
01:48:51.000Right, we're seeing the expansion of those tactics.
01:48:53.000And you were telling me they won't give the food back now, so who knows what's happened to it.
01:49:08.000Arguably, they have a strong Section 1983 action for money from the officers for violation of their constitutional rights, but they want two things.
01:49:15.000We're suing for an injunction declaring that these kinds of paramilitary raids on peaceful people are inherently unconstitutional and have to be stopped.
01:49:26.000We're suing for the court to declare that.
01:49:29.000We're also suing for a declaration that small family farms and co-ops do not require a government permission slip.
01:49:36.000Are in fact exempt from the licensure law or need to be exempt under the licensure law because under equal protection These kinds of licensures were required for a large Giant Eagle or a Wal-Mart produce.