From his Central Texas command center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues. On this episode of the Prison Planet Radio Show, Alex Jones is joined by KEVIN RYAN, an engineer who was fired from the National Institute of Standards and Technology, or NIST, for questioning the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings on September 11th, 2001.
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00:01:13.000We're joined for the next 50 minutes by Kevin Ryan.
00:01:17.000Kevin Ryan, of course, was an engineer working in underwriting laboratories and discovered internal studies that had been done by the underwriters, which is underwriting laboratories of the Towers.
00:01:30.000That clearly showed that fire could not have brought those buildings down the way that the government was claiming.
00:01:39.000He wrote a letter to them publicly about it and they fired him.
00:01:42.000So I think it's better for Kevin Ryan to introduce himself, some of his background, the saga he's been through, and the amazing research he's done, not just in a thermite and thermate and explosives, And the testing of that, but who at NIST is involved in the cover-up?
00:02:00.000They just so happen to be thermate experts in their own right, with NASA and other groups for missile coupler separation seals.
00:02:31.000Describe a little bit about yourself, kind of a recap of this quest you've been on and what it's led you to today and the latest developments.
00:02:42.000I was, as you said, fired from Underwriters Laboratories and that was over four years ago in 2004.
00:02:49.000And I had been questioning them for about a year or so about the fire resistance testing that they did.
00:02:57.000Um, 40 years before, um, for the World Trade Center Towers, they had done fire resistance testing of the steel components used to build the World Trade Center Towers.
00:03:11.000And I had spoken with the fire resistance testing manager at the time about it.
00:03:18.000And they were reluctant to share that information publicly.
00:03:22.000So we were asking Myself and one or two others in the UL about that testing and why the towers could possibly have failed from fire as a result.
00:03:37.000And couldn't get any answers from the upper management.
00:03:40.000So I went ahead and wrote a letter to the National Institute of Standards and Technology after I saw one of their draft reports, which I think we've seen now over the years leave a lot lacking than this.
00:03:56.000Each one of them has been false, and they've contradicted each other.
00:04:00.000But when they first put out a draft report in October 2004, I wrote them a letter that got me fired from Underwriters Laboratories, where I was laboratory manager and the top manager for one of their divisions.
00:04:13.000I've since done a lot of writing and research on 9-11, become the co-editor of the Journal of 9-11 Studies with Stephen Jones.
00:04:22.000A few years ago, I am a member of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truths.
00:04:27.000We also have a local group here where I live called the 9-11 Working Group.
00:04:31.000And so I do a lot of writing and research, presentations around the country, and whatever I can to get the truth out about 9-11.
00:04:41.000Why did you first question the collapse of the towers as an engineer, and then let's walk through the evidence of cover-up, trying to suppress you and others, and kind of a recap of the evidence that has come out that continues to make a compelling case for controlled demolition, and then the new research that's been developed that is, well, in a whodunit sense, bombshell But then this isn't a whodunit.
00:05:13.000This is inside job material, and this shakes the very foundation of our world to its core.
00:05:22.000Well, yeah, and the reason I first started questioning it was for, I think, a number of the reasons that you do what you do, Alex, and trying to get the word out, getting people prepared for a Pretty big transition here in society and, you know, it's coming.
00:05:40.000There's nothing we can really do about it, but it is important to be aware of the facts of what has happened over the last few years and try to prepare ourselves for the future.
00:05:52.000And so, you know, the first things that I noticed were if a steel has been tested for fire resistance for a number of hours, in fact, in furnaces, At temperatures that exceeded the temperatures that we all agreed actually existed in the towers, then how could the towers have failed from fire?
00:06:14.000Those questions were not answered and they still have not been answered.
00:06:19.000The NIST group has done a lot of tap dancing about The issue, and they've given us a number of false stories.
00:06:25.000I was about to say, they're constantly changing their story.
00:06:29.000It's always something new, and now they're admitting free fall of Building 7.
00:06:41.000So, you know, ultimately they do have to admit all those things, but there was a presentation that was occurring since 2002 when they started their report.
00:06:53.000They're investigating, and then this year, when they finally put out the World Trade Center 7 report, it was always kind of a piecemeal presentation, almost as if they were asking us, do you believe this?
00:07:02.000They'd have a public media presentation, and they'd say, what about this?
00:07:08.000You know, and some of us, like myself, would speak up and say, hey, that's not going to work.
00:07:14.000And then they'd come up with something different.
00:07:18.000And with World Trade Center 7, it's nothing more blatant than that.
00:07:23.000It was certainly the diesel fuel and all of the major media reported this over and over again.
00:07:30.000Or it was the scooped out theory, the towers had fallen.
00:07:34.000And they've now reversed themselves on all of that.
00:07:37.000Then it was shoddy construction when the building was overbuilt, as you know.
00:07:41.000Have you seen the new video with Brian Williams on there interviewing the Deputy Fire Chief, one of the commanders, who says, well, we were ready to bring it down.
00:07:51.000You know, there was talk of us bringing it down ourselves.
00:07:56.000I mean, how many videos does it take of police and firemen saying the feds were getting ready to bring it down?
00:08:08.000The extent of the cover up is really so incredible.
00:08:13.000And I think that's part of the value of 9-11 Truth.
00:08:16.000You know, I'm interested in how this much deception could have been carried on for so long.
00:08:24.000And how each of us as the listeners of this story, you know, kind of participated, or some of us, in allowing it to be just a huge lie for so long.
00:08:37.000So I'm interested in that sort of thing as well, but mainly the physical research that we're doing now has to do with the alternative hypothesis, and now really the only, not only hypothesis, but theory, since it's got so much evidence.
00:08:50.000The demolition theory, or what I call the deceptive demolition theory, So that people don't forget that it's really based on deception.
00:08:58.000Now this is like the theory of gravity.
00:09:00.000It's been proven, but they kind of call it a law, but it started out as a theory.
00:09:06.000The public thinks conspiracy and theory, that number one, there's no government conspiracies, though history's full of them, and Nixon got in trouble for a government conspiracy.
00:09:17.000And then they said there's no such thing as theories.
00:09:19.000Well, we know the official theory of why these towers turned into matchsticks and dust.
00:09:33.000And it's going to be it's not going to be extremely simple.
00:09:35.000It's not going to be simply the question of whether planes brought the buildings down or somebody just decided to do a typical demolition of the World Trade Center towers.
00:09:48.000The question is, did the planes bring the buildings down, which we know is not true, or did somebody fly planes into the buildings in order to present the idea that the planes brought the buildings down while doing a deceptive demolition?
00:10:02.000And so, if we keep all that in mind, part of the deception is having fire exist where it would not have otherwise existed.
00:10:16.000In the elevator shaft that is so extreme that would weaken the core of the buildings and also very likely From what we've heard from testimony, explosions in the basements as well.
00:10:29.000Those were way before the main collapse was initiated with the towers, with the top-down demolition versus the classical, or more classical, bottom-up situation with Building 7.
00:10:43.000And Kevin, have you walk through that and then all the new thermite information.
00:10:48.000That you have, but I mean, stepping back from this, do you ever wake up at 3 a.m.
00:10:52.000at night, sweaty like I do, or freaked out?
00:10:55.000You know, consciously we know it's an inside job, the evidence shows that, but to like come to grips kind of like, you know, when you're not conscious and awake and psychologically dealing with it, when it kind of floods in of, oh my God, people run the government that really killed 3,000 people and I mean, these are wild men to pull off something of this daring in front of everyone.
00:11:18.000I mean, these people, what else are they capable of?
00:11:24.000Yeah, that's a good question, but I'd like to think that we're still in the majority, Alex.
00:11:28.000The American people and the people of the world who are generally honest and interested in survival still have a chance, in my opinion, so we need to get the word out.
00:11:38.000I mean, about every few weeks I'll wake up 3, 4 a.m., covered in sweat, thinking about 9-11.
00:11:42.000And I'm like, oh my God, I'm this prominent person fighting murderers who will just kill 3,000 people like that to get power and to be able to launch wars.
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00:16:03.000All right, folks, we are here back live with Kevin Ryan.
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00:16:24.000I see Betty, Don, and many others that want to speak to our guest, Kevin Ryan, formerly with Underwriting Laboratories, an engineer, who found out about all this stuff.
00:16:34.000And look, I mean, you can't, dealing with reality, you can't just say, well, it's too scary to know it's an inside job.
00:17:16.000So Dr. Jones came on the scene in 2005 and was just a very strong scientific, credible scientific speaker in terms of what he was finding.
00:17:29.000And since then, Dr. Jones and myself and others have proven beyond question, I think, and others before us, That the towers and World Trade Center 7 were brought down with explosives.
00:18:03.000And by the way, separately, the government's own reports buried in the data was the sulfidation and other chemical interactions that he had separately found in his own research.
00:18:13.000So a lot of what you guys have done is seconded in the real government research, not just the official spin they put out.
00:18:21.000It's supported by official reports of various kinds.
00:18:26.000But then we started looking into what are called nanothermites, and these are More explosive versions of thermite that are built around components that are on the nano scale.
00:18:40.000So nano aluminum and sometimes also nano metallic powders, metallic oxides that are mixed with the nano aluminum.
00:18:49.000And there's one reason that these are very useful in my view.
00:18:54.000They ignite at much lower temperatures.
00:18:59.000And also, they create fire, as I suggested, where fire would not otherwise have existed.
00:19:05.000They're also applicable to this situation in that if you look at where the fireproofing upgrades and the elevator work was done in the two years before 9-11, you find out that the floors where fireproofing upgrade was done match up very well, almost exactly, if not exactly.
00:19:25.000With the floors of impact and fire and failure or so-called failure in the towers.
00:19:31.000And so that shows massive forethought and just sickening premeditated nature.
00:19:38.000And so that just, you know, it becomes an easy path almost when you look at that and you say, well, a very strong part of the theory now is that nanothermites were Which are sprayable, can be coated.
00:19:53.000And the workers even think they're putting on new fireproofing.
00:19:57.000I think it's very possible that the idea is that they could be told that it's intumescent paint, which is a fireproofing type of paint, or other types of fireproofing materials.
00:20:07.000And even the Port Authority's consultant Burl Happold, an engineering company from the British from the United Kingdom suggested to them at the time when they're doing these upgradings that they use alternative materials.
00:20:22.000So they didn't explain what those alternative materials are.
00:20:24.000And it would sure help if it was a spook building with every major federal intelligence agency in it.
00:20:43.000Yeah, so we look more into these nanothermites, and I've been making them, actually.
00:20:48.000I've been making them now, I made a couple of formulations that were published by Lawrence Livermore National Labs, and I've been examining a lot of the World Trade Center dust samples, and looking in surprise, I guess, at how similar these materials look When you look at them under a microscope.
00:21:07.000And then NIST, and we're going to come back in a long segment, and I want you to break this down slowly, sir.
00:21:13.000It just so happens that NIST has been acting like they don't know what you're talking about, but they happen to have some thermate, nanothermite experts working there.
00:21:31.000We can talk about that when you're ready.
00:21:33.000Well, since they're such explosive thermite experts with NASA, why don't we... I mean, have you had a chance to talk face-to-face with these nice people?
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00:25:30.000We were trying to give out some websites before we went to break Kevin Ryan for people to look at the explosive nanothermite you've made that mirrors the government programs.
00:25:42.000We know the Pentagon's worked with this, NASA's worked with this, and the folks at NIST should know all about it, because it just so happens, of only maybe ten experts in the world, you've got a couple of them that just so happen to be given the investigation.
00:25:54.000So I would imagine they want to work with you, since this is their line, their specialty, their signature.
00:26:01.000We know they want to help America capture the terrorist, So, Kevin, continue with the spheres themselves, and then, lo and behold, top experts in the world involved running the cover-up, I mean investigation.
00:26:15.000Kevin, Ryan, please continue, because we're really getting close now, aren't we?
00:26:21.000And if you go to the Journal of 9-11 Studies, I published a paper, one of my own papers was published there, called The Top Ten Connections Between NIST and Nanothermites.
00:26:32.000And it steps through the top ten connections.
00:26:35.000Give that site out for folks, we're going to put it on screen.
00:26:45.000And I think the paper is from July of this year, but it steps through an explanation of nanothermites and it talks about how NIST was working with Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories as early as 1999.
00:26:57.000I believe earlier than that, but that documentation It's important, but you can get all the references from this paper.
00:27:04.000You don't have to take my word for it.
00:27:07.000Step through it and see that NERC is very closely working on nanothermites.
00:27:14.000They had people like Forman Williams, who was their lead engineer on their advisory committee and also was the biggest engineering expert for popular mechanics.
00:27:24.000And he is an expert on just these sorts of materials.
00:27:44.000We always joke and say in the encyclopedia next to the word dumbass there's a picture of you, but literally in the encyclopedia next to yellow journalism is a picture of them!
00:28:09.000Well, you know, they're Science Applications International, which is a very large engineering consulting and other defense consulting company that was very heavily involved in the NIST investigation and they're experts on this sort of material.
00:28:24.000They also first investigated the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and it was their analysis that kind of produced the official story.
00:28:35.000They were also responsible for helping out with the security upgrades at the World Trade Center in the late 1990s.
00:28:42.000So this Science Applications International, SAIC, company is connected in every possible way.
00:28:51.000Through their former employees, Jerome Hauer and Stephen Hatfield, to a number of things like the Anthrax incidents and the Rudy Giuliani administration.
00:29:00.000But these directors of NIST are most interesting to me.
00:29:03.000One of them is Arden Beamont, who is a materials expert and metallurgist.
00:29:21.000And there's just all sorts of connections.
00:29:24.000Battelle, he's a director at Battelle, which is an organization that manages the national laboratories, including Fort Detrick and Lawrence Livermore.
00:29:33.000And all these Thermate experts, they're just directing giant companies, but they are coming in to help with the 9-11 investigation.
00:29:44.000October 2001, right after the attacks, is when George W. Bush nominated Beeman to be the head of NIST.
00:29:51.000When Beeman was Ready to move on, which is a few years later, Bush nominated Harach Simerjian to be his replacement.
00:30:02.000He was the director of NIST's chemical division and he is somebody who is a nanothermite expert and wrote 10 papers With the world's leading nanothermite expert, Michael Zachariah, used to be a NIST employee as well.
00:30:16.000You'd think that this is like a class get-together of world thermite experts.
00:30:24.000Well, I don't know, but there certainly are enough of them that you could make the suggestion.
00:30:27.000Is this a thermite or thermate convention going on?
00:30:31.000You know, Alex, to be serious, it's really apparent that these people were hired and brought into the investigation because they knew what not to look for.
00:30:40.000They knew what to avoid looking at, and they certainly did that.
00:30:46.000There was no testing per the national standard for fire investigation.
00:31:06.000I mean, I know you go to some of these events.
00:31:08.000Do you ever have a chance to come over and get a hold of their hand and look in their eyes?
00:31:12.000Yeah, I haven't spoken to any of them directly, but I sent a very polite and professional letter to them back in 2004.
00:31:20.000Never got a reply other than being fired.
00:31:24.000And I have made several polite requests for discussions and have been turned down multiple times by NIST.
00:31:34.000You know, I don't want to go to their homes or go to their offices necessarily.
00:31:39.000Well, maybe I do, but I haven't done that yet.
00:31:41.000Are there any other ThermAid experts that are all crowding around the investigation?
00:31:47.000Well, I'm really interested in also people who were working on novel fireproofing, right?
00:31:56.000So we're talking about what alternative fireproofing may have been involved.
00:32:01.000And how they could be related to nanothermic coatings.
00:32:04.000So Richard Gann, who is the guy who actually did the final editing for the NIST report, he was one of the top people, was working on a novel fireproofing project for a couple of years before 9-11.
00:32:18.000And he involves some of the world's leading experts on nanothermites.
00:32:34.000It's a very strong theory at this point, and if your listeners go to 9-11 Blogger, I put up a blog piece that has a slideshow of Twenty-six microphotos are from a microscope, and you can see that half of them are nanothermite residues from materials I've made and ignited.
00:32:55.000And then the residues look identical, or very nearly identical, to the magnetic portion of the World Trade Center dust.
00:33:04.000So there's these red-orange chips, there's all these spheres, there's other types of molten formations, These vesicular formations, clearly the remnants of an explosion.
00:33:21.000So, if you look at this slideshow at 9-11 Blogger, I think it'll be, you know, people like pictures, so we're unfortunately, to some extent, becoming almost an image-only society.
00:33:32.000I assume we won't even use our thumbs, we'll just eat out of a big McDonald's feed bag.
00:33:37.000So I'm trying to reach out to the people who are more compelled by images than all the writing I've done, which is something for people who do a lot of reading.
00:33:47.000These are long essays that I write, but they are interesting.
00:33:50.000But the photos are just really compelling.
00:33:52.000If you take a look at those, I think you'll see what I'm trying to say here.
00:33:57.000Apart from the photos and the writing, there's a large group of scientists now around the United States and in Europe, in several laboratories in Europe, That are doing chemical and physical tests on the World Trade Center dust particles that we're finding.
00:34:14.000And you know, there's some fairly well conclusive papers being written, led by Stephen Jones at this point and others.
00:34:26.000Some newer, younger research scientists and some in Europe.
00:34:29.000Well, Kevin Ryan, I want to get into that and take some calls, but I'll tell you what really let me know two years ago that you guys were on to something.
00:34:36.000The way the media attacks you and the way operatives, who I was already watching in the 9-11 Truth Movement, savagely went after you and Jones, they really showed who they were.
00:34:46.000The establishment is scared to death of this thermite, thermate research, and that now as you dig deeper in, and the who's who of explosive thermite and special fire coating are all bivouacked, you know, cloistered around this, acting suspicious, and the NIST reports are all frauds.
00:35:07.000I mean, my God, we're dealing with some hardcore individuals here, and I just want to say from the bottom of my heart, you've got a lot of courage, my friend, and the people involved with you do, because Because, I mean, this is the biggest whodunit ever, and you, I mean, we know now, I mean, this is, I mean, there isn't a grand jury out there that wouldn't call for a further investigation of this.
00:35:31.000I mean, to know that you guys have done the research that's got you one step away from having your hands on the perpetrators, that has got to really be bracing.
00:35:42.000Yeah, just take a look at a three-way crossroads, and that is who had access to the buildings, who had access to the technologies, and who was involved in the cover-up.
00:35:54.000If you look at those three groups and try to find connections, you'll find a good deal of connections.
00:36:01.000And I think we'll start to find our culprits.
00:36:04.000Well, I mean, what's so incredible, folks, we're on the air right now giving you just proof on a silver planter.
00:36:11.000And this is just the scientific evidence and then these former deputy defense heads and all these spooks in a spook building, Building 7, all of this going on.
00:36:21.000Then you've got the firefighters and police saying, get back, we've been told they're bringing it down, and Silverstein slipping up and saying, we gave the order to bring it down, and gave the order to watch it come down, to pull it.
00:36:31.000You know, we have all the videos of cops live saying, get back, not just the eyewitnesses now saying, yeah, I was a cop, or I was a firefighter, or I was an emergency worker, and they said, it was on the radio, a countdown.
00:36:43.000And then I remember hearing on the news they were going to blow up 7.
00:36:47.000They go, no, we never said that, it fell on its own.
00:36:58.000And I guess they're just counting on the public not being able to deal with the horror.
00:37:03.000And believe me, it horrifies... I mean, how did you deal with this?
00:37:05.000I know you're a scientist and engineer, but how did you deal with it as the evidence just piles on the evidence?
00:37:10.000And then you know you're dealing with mass murderers here.
00:37:14.000Yeah, it was an incredible shock for me in 2003 when I got it.
00:37:20.000Yeah, I started working very heavily on investigating it myself and asking a lot of questions of people I knew, and of course it was a serious blow to me to get fired from my job, and I had to take some time and take care of my family first before continuing.
00:37:37.000But it's been recently in the last year or two just something that I know needs to be done, okay?
00:37:43.000We know we have to figure out what happened.
00:37:46.000We have to communicate as much of it as we possibly can.
00:37:50.000And that's what we can do, and okay, you know, like you said, you ask God for help, and if that helps you and it does help me, then that's what you do.
00:37:59.000And you just continue on doing the best you can.
00:38:02.000No, literally, I would collapse if it wasn't for the higher power, and people can laugh at that out there, but I guess they haven't been in this type of psychological adversity to be coldly looking at the facts.
00:38:12.000I mean, Kevin, as you know, there's over 200 declassified examples where Elements of the government have admittedly staged terror.
00:38:21.000So, I mean, they do it over and over again.
00:38:57.000So, you know, the most positive approach we can take, but definitely moving forward for ourselves and not expecting the government or whoever, powerful entities to take care of things for us, because they're going to take care of things for us.
00:39:14.000But as you say, They're not necessarily on our side.
00:39:17.000Well, I mean, you know, 8.5 trillion stolen by offshore banks.
00:39:21.000They tell Congress, you're not allowed to look at it.
00:39:23.000Bloomberg reports war powers has been declared by the Federal Reserve is now running the country.
00:39:29.000We've got open announcements of 20,000 combat troops to be used against the American people.
00:39:53.000You know, people need to go get... You guys have now done peer-reviewed studies as well by major scientific journals, have looked at your findings and found them to be accurate, and more are now being reviewed.
00:40:06.000You put a lot of work into this, you and Stephen Jones and other physicists and architects and engineers.
00:40:11.000I guess it's now up to the listeners to get these scientific reports and give it to other engineers, friends and family, you know, that are in these fields.
00:40:22.000Because I really think it's the fact that this scientific debate is what's going to lead to really this being forced out into the open.
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00:44:01.000don't wait call today a day unlike any other in the long course of american history a terrorist act of war against this country The enemy struck America on September 11th.
00:44:27.000investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S.
00:44:34.000I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
00:44:37.000In Laden's connections to the CIA, the hijackers' ties to the FBI, the Saudi Arabian connection, the Israeli intelligence network, Warnings and War Games, the shadow government, and much, much more.
00:46:11.000Kevin Ryan, before I talk to Betty, Don, Dan, and a few others, any other points you haven't added, any other key information that we haven't gone over here with the audience today?
00:46:23.000I just wanted to remind people that the nanothermite theory is only part of the demolition theory, and that the World Trade Center is only part of the 9-11 truth movement, so there's a great deal of information people need to continue to investigate and there's a lot of good books and movies out there that help us with that.
00:46:42.000Well, it's classic black ops to have different teams, different operations overkill.
00:46:47.000They certainly had multiple types of explosives in the towers.
00:46:53.000They did both the operations unconventionally, but seven is closer, correct?
00:46:59.000As an engineer, sir, closer to a classical?
00:47:02.000Yeah, it definitely looks very much like a classic demolition.
00:47:07.000So it was done differently, I would be sure of that.
00:47:12.000We need to just get to whatever clues we can find.
00:47:14.000So when I'm looking at the intersection of people involved and people who had access to technologies in the buildings and nanothermite residues, we're looking for clues and we're going to dig those out and expose them as much as possible and then move on.
00:47:29.000Well, I think the bigger issue here is, too, psychology.
00:47:32.000People don't understand a military mind, a commander-level mind.
00:47:35.000We're going back thousands of years ago.
00:47:37.000A general would put, you know, 500 of his cavalry or his ground troops to be captured to bring an enemy in so they could then destroy the larger force, knowing that the pawn's sacrifice would be killed.
00:47:51.000And, you know, that's how back in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, they had operations like Shad and others, where they would nerve gas our own troops to death.
00:47:58.000And they found a group of doctors who would do that because they believed the end justifies the means.
00:48:03.000And so out of that mindset, they've created military cadres that will do this.
00:48:12.000Well, America needs to get tough and we need to stage a terror attack to get the people straight.
00:48:16.000I'm sad we've got to kill 3,000, but it's for America.
00:48:22.000And, you know, that's really how you get this type of thing going on.
00:48:25.000You know, they'd tell them, we've got to nerve gas our own troops, because the Russians may use it, and the knowledge we gain here may save millions.
00:49:19.000Yeah, NIST is the National Institute of Standards and Technology, so it's a government agency that reports through the Commerce Department.
00:49:27.000Therefore, its directors are Bush appointees or presidential appointees, and they work directly for the President in that sense.
00:49:37.000But they're a repository for standards.
00:49:39.000They do investigations in scientific ways of building failures and many other things.
00:49:48.000When Congress gets involved, nothing much happens.
00:49:52.000Yeah, well, Congress had a better investigation, my love.
00:49:54.000Then they had the Whitewash Commission, appointed by Bush, and they had the nerve to say when they first had Henry Kissinger that it was independent.
00:50:02.000Your comments on the Independent Commission, Kevin?
00:50:05.000Yeah, I think that the 9-11 Commission is a great thing to look into.
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00:52:13.000Thank you so much for joining us already into the fourth hour today.
00:52:18.000We've got a young man fighting for 9-11 treatment at the public schools, being persecuted for that.
00:52:25.000Coming up, and then Tommy Pallotta of the last 40 minutes, good friend of mine, a Hollywood film producer, an expert on new media, to talk about that with us today.
00:52:35.000Don in Texas, you're on the air with a real American hero.
00:52:39.000That's right, it's not some football player, though that's enjoyable and fun to watch.
00:52:44.000This is a real hero risking his life, his name, losing his job to blow the whistle on the 9-11 inside job, Kevin Ryan.
00:52:51.000Don from Texas, you're on the air with Kevin Ryan.
00:52:54.000Yeah, Kevin, Alex, God bless and keep you both for what you're doing.
00:52:59.000I saw the Trade Center collapse live on television, knew it for what it was by virtue of my military training in demolitions.
00:53:07.000And Kevin, you just asked what we can do as individuals.
00:53:12.000You know, and you and Alex, you're doing it.
00:53:16.000We're all called to be therapeutic messengers, and we have the individual power To visualize at a cellular level and resonate what we know to be truth beyond technological means.
00:53:31.000Well, we've just got to get the word out, period, and there is that whole hundredth monkey that's been proven scientifically where you'll have a research island with monkeys, and as soon as a few of them learn it on this island, they spontaneously pick it up 20 miles away.
00:53:44.000But, you know, regardless, we're physically getting the info out, and I appreciate your calls, Don.
00:53:50.000Dan in New York, a final call for Kevin Ryan.
00:54:00.000I know one of them is imperialization of the Middle East, but... Actually, Zbigniew Brzezinski and the Grand Chess Board in 97 that was then plagiarized by the PNAC document September 20, 2000, Rebuilding America's Defenses, penned by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, they're attributed to writing it on their own website, says, trillions in no-bid weapons contracts, trillions in oil, unifying the people behind a Pax Americana or global empire, there's got to be an outside threat on the order of Pearl Harbor.
00:54:30.000Pearl Harbor killed 2,890-something people, so did 9-11.
00:54:37.000And then we have all these other government documents, like Northwoods, where they explain, we stage terror attacks, we blame it on foreign enemies as a pretext to take control of society, even declare martial law in America.
00:54:49.000Yeah, I think you're right, Alex, and I think we just have to recognize, although it's difficult to believe, that there are people whose greed and whose thirst for power is just more than anything that they can than they can deal with, and that they ended up just destroying everyone else around them.
00:55:07.000So that appears to be part of the situation with 9-11.
00:55:11.000Yeah, they have a raw thirst for power, the raw exercise of power, and we have to have a desire and a thirst for justice.
00:55:19.000And that's what I have, that's what Kevin Ryan has.
00:55:22.000And again, Kevin, I'm telling you, people like you are my heroes, man.
00:55:25.000You are such a hero, such a hero to my whole family and to millions of people out there listening.
00:56:06.000Well, I would guess that Barack and his administration, Senator Obama, is probably not going to be much different than Senator McCain or Senator Biden or the Bush family.
00:56:17.000They're largely, I think, the same people.
00:56:19.000They appear to be nominating the same types of people as have been in power before.
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01:00:09.000All right, coming up in 15 minutes, we've got my good friend, Hollywood movie producer, artist, writer, director, Tommy Pallotta in studio with us for just 40 minutes.
01:00:22.000I want to have this young man back for a full hour to talk about activism in the future, but we've only got him for this one segment today.
01:00:30.000Robert Wannick is a 15-year-old high school student and 9-1-1 Truth activist.
01:00:33.000He has fought against indoctrination and censorship in his schools and runs the website knowneocons.com.
01:00:43.000And Robert's YouTube videos have received tens of thousands of hits, more than that.
01:00:47.000And not only did his principal tell him he couldn't wear a 9-11 truth t-shirt, well, then they blacked it out in the school annual, censored it when everybody else was allowed to have messages on their shirts.
01:01:00.000Then their textbook tells them that New World Order's good, world government's good, but then when he complains about it, they tell him it doesn't exist.
01:01:07.000But then he has videos with the textbook, and we've checked out the textbook.
01:04:09.000Personal phones with photographic capabilities used as photographic instruments are not allowed in the school building.
01:04:19.000Persons using these phones in the school as a photographic device will be subject to suspension for a period of time designated by the administration.
01:04:28.000So you're not allowed to have a camera phone in the school.
01:04:33.000Personal phones with photographic capabilities are not allowed in the school building.
01:04:38.000They don't want you to catch them saying something.
01:04:41.000They don't want you to catch them doing anything.
01:05:11.000The final step is brainwashing you with chapters in your history book on the New World Order.
01:05:16.000Trying to promote it is a good peacekeeping movement.
01:05:20.000There's more there and he was also told that you could have any non-violent message you wanted on your shirt, but his 9-11 inside job wasn't allowed, so that got censored as well.
01:05:36.000Robert, it's great to have you here with us, my friend.
01:05:39.000Yeah, thanks Alex, I appreciate you bringing me on today.
01:05:42.000Well, I mean obviously you're using their censorship, their attempted censorship to wake up and rally the youth there in their Shawshank prison.
01:05:52.000Tell folks a little bit about yourself and this saga in this indoctrination camp that your parents have you in.
01:05:58.000So how are you fighting back inside the re-education center?
01:06:03.000Yeah, well I'm a 15-year-old sophomore and I go to Breckenridge High School and The school operates with no respect for the Constitution.
01:06:12.000They literally tell the students that you leave your rights at the door to keep it as a safe learning environment.
01:06:18.000You're not allowed to bring cameras into the schools, so there is no freedom of the press.
01:06:22.000You are not allowed free speech, and they can designate whatever they want inappropriate.
01:06:28.000They can designate whatever t-shirts they want.
01:06:31.000If they do not like the message, that t-shirt can be censored according to them.
01:06:36.000And basically, they They don't want any alternative theories, and you can be punished for bringing them up.
01:06:42.0009-11 Truth is a punishable theory in our school.
01:06:46.000You're not allowed to mention the New World Order.
01:06:48.000They don't let me talk to recruiters when they come to the school.
01:06:51.000When I see a Marine recruiter, I can't even get near him without a teacher hassling me, asking me why I'm cross-dressing.
01:07:11.000Tell folks where the government re-education camp is located that you attend.
01:07:16.000Well, I go to school in Breckenridge, Minnesota.
01:07:20.000It's a small town in Minnesota, about three hours away from the big Twin Cities, and that's why they think they can get away with this, this unconstitutional indoctrination of the students, this brainwashing.
01:07:36.000They know that it's just a perfect opportunity for them to drill the New World Order into our heads.
01:07:40.000Well, you need to create a student group.
01:07:42.000If they refuse to accredit it, you need to sue them for that.
01:07:46.000And I would make a huge deal out of it, and I would take that school over through the First Amendment, and I would, you know, create a student union, which is your God-given right, to basically let them know that you do have value, and that you do not leave your rights at the door, and that you're not going to be taught that you're a slave or a prisoner.
01:08:04.000Absolutely, because schools are really in place.
01:08:07.000Any person that's thinking creatively knows that schools are really in place to keep you from learning about the real issues.
01:08:34.000When I was just your average kid, not involved in any politics, and it wasn't hard for me to see that the lies don't add up, and that the science, it's proven.
01:08:51.000Okay, I woke up when I was about 14 years old, a young 14 year old.
01:08:57.000Now I'm 15 years old, so about a year ago.
01:09:02.000Benny, what was the thing that triggered it?
01:09:05.000Well, the thing that triggered me waking up was when I was in science class, we watched a video on the physics of 9-11, and I noticed that things don't add up.
01:09:16.000I researched 9-11, came across films like 9-11, The Road to Tyranny, 9-11, Loose Change.
01:09:22.000So wait a minute, they were brainwashing you with the official story?
01:09:27.000They were giving us the official conspiracy theory.
01:10:40.000You're not allowed to talk about it, and if you do, they'll give you in-school suspensions where you're sitting in a room the whole entire day without contact.
01:11:16.000So you've been given leave from the camp for a few days.
01:11:18.000Let me set you up in the next two days to come on for a full hour, because I wasn't aware it was this bad.
01:11:22.000I've seen... Well, there was another case of youth getting in trouble in Austin schools for even mentioning 9-11 Truth, and then they threatened to take them to jail, and then actually suspended one young man.
01:11:32.000So, I mean, they call the cops on you for this now, huh?
01:12:05.000I just, in closing, want to get Aaron, who's producing right now, to call you, Robert, and set you back up for the show for a full hour later this week.
01:12:15.000I'm going to have him call you right now, okay?
01:12:18.000Because I want to hear this whole story, and again, I really appreciate what you're doing.
01:12:22.000Alright, if it wasn't for sites like InfoWars and We Are Change, and people out there like you, Nathan Bolton, Luke, Rudowsky, everybody out there, the youth wouldn't be waking up.
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01:17:33.000For my iPhone, I downloaded a little app called Flycast that allows me to listen to your show streaming every day.
01:17:39.000So I think it uses Shoutcast to do that.
01:17:41.000And my idea for you was that you create your own little application, or one of your listeners creates an application for you that would allow you to stream just your show, because you still have to search through that application to find your show.
01:17:54.000And I thought it'd be great to have an InfoWars application, where You could kind of look at the New York Times application as well, that they're able to push articles and stuff like that on it, but also to stream your show.
01:18:06.000If you want to volunteer to make us that application, we'll put it up.
01:18:09.000And I would add for Kurt on the Flycast to try to add a link to their sub-directory, not just their main page, so folks can find us on there.
01:18:19.000Now your iPhone, your cell phone, any of them, people can listen to the radio show.
01:18:24.000Again, that further destroys the monopoly of the establishment.
01:18:26.000That's why Barack Obama ...has now announced Internet 2 to openly take over the Internet and kind of kill the old web and force us onto the new one.
01:18:37.000Um, you know, I think we've got to be really careful.
01:18:39.000And one of the main problems is that there's so much disinformation going on.
01:18:44.000And, you know, I have hope that technology, or the people who really understand these new technologies, are going to work much faster than anybody trying to destroy that sort of flow of information.
01:18:56.000So, you know, the levee's been open, and that information's coming out.
01:19:00.000And they can make it harder, but it's hard to stop it completely.
01:19:17.000So just the filter itself, they're predicting, will slow the web down by 75 to 85 percent, and then you'll go through a government server, which also snoops on everything you do.
01:19:26.000Now, they're already doing it, but now they're being public about it.
01:19:43.000And that's their business, but it's different whenever governments do it.
01:19:47.000Yeah, but again, I think that there's always going to be a way around that, and I think the great thing about your show is that I see it in many different ways.
01:19:53.000I mean, it's on BitTorrent, it's on YouTube, you know, however much they're trying to stop it, you have redundancy even within your own websites.
01:20:00.000So they can try to, you know, stop InfoWars.com, but people are going to take that information, you know, and disseminate it in other ways, which is always good.
01:20:34.000I mean, you know, I started with independent film, and now the sort of independent boutiques have all pretty much shut down.
01:20:42.000So, again, it's, you know, it comes and goes in waves, I think, that right now it's pretty much all just a studio-type way to make films in America only, but I think more and more I'm looking at the European model of making movies where you're actually calling together financing from multiple sources, multiple countries and things like that.
01:21:00.000And I think that everybody's going to have to get really creative in how to finance and distribute movies.
01:21:07.000In the past, there was always kind of a one-stop shop.
01:21:09.000You get money from one source, you go to one studio, they distribute it, and they pretty much had a cookie-cutter way to get that film out.
01:21:16.000I mean, I think that now you just have to be creative not only in the filmmaking aspect of it, but also in the distribution aspect of it, the financing, and just the marketing of it.
01:21:28.000Again, folks, in stores you can get Scanner Darkly.
01:21:32.000you can get, you can get You know, films like Waking Life.
01:21:37.000I was in a Best Buy last week and happened to see somebody literally there, you know, getting a copy of Scanner Darkling and then right next to it I saw a copy of Waking Life.
01:21:45.000So, those both have serious political messages.
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01:23:34.000I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
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01:25:11.000That's what Willie Nelson said on the show when he heard that music.
01:25:14.000He was like, he just stopped talking and he went... Tommy Pallotta's with us for another 25 minutes in studio.
01:25:22.000I hope you come back through town sooner.
01:25:23.000We'll do two or three hours here on air.
01:25:26.000If you're a fan of Waking Life, or a fan of Scanner Darkly, or any other films that Tom Issa produced, or some of the other films that he's directed, or if you'd like to talk to him about the media, the alternative media, what it's like making a really independent film of that big of stars like he did with Scanner Darkly, you're welcome to call in.
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01:25:53.000Tommy, specifically, you're into futurist ideas, and you've worked for some other big corporations just on the futurist angle.
01:26:00.000With nanotech and technology and all of this genetic engineering, this doesn't just threaten the people.
01:26:07.000There's also a lot of opportunities there.
01:26:09.000And we see the system and the establishment may have all this innovation, but they've got old dinosaurs running it.
01:27:21.000It seems like they're opening up Pandora's box.
01:27:24.000And the weird thing, I think, for us and maybe most of the listeners is that we're not really at the same morality level as these people that are doing these crimes.
01:27:35.000I mean, the kind of morality that it takes to swindle billions of dollars is kind of foreign to me, and I bet most people.
01:27:43.000Um, and how they can go ahead and do these things.
01:27:47.000And they're just, they're working on different moral principles, I think.
01:27:50.000And so that's a really difficult thing to sort of combat against because it's really hard for me to understand the psychology behind the kinds of crimes that these people are doing.
01:28:00.000Well, I agree with you, but I mean, you see the criminal mindset.
01:28:17.000Yeah, and I mean, the one thing that always kind of shocks me is just the lack of value for human life.
01:28:22.000You know, I think you go out in the street, you talk to people, and people have a certain value, an inherent value on life, and these people don't seem to have that.
01:28:33.000I mean, projecting forward into the future, what do you see happening with the media itself?
01:28:39.000This war between the alternative and the kind of old dinosaurs, because really that is how the people communicate with each other.
01:28:45.000That's what sets the cultural parameters.
01:28:48.000And I mean, you're an invited guest in Tokyo, Austin, Texas, LA, all over, particularly to speak on the future of the media, because you've been cutting edge in a lot of areas there.
01:28:58.000I mean, here on air right now, where do you see things going in the next 5-10 years?
01:29:05.000You know, you always hope for the best.
01:29:06.000You always hope that people are going to educate themselves more and more.
01:29:11.000I mean, unfortunately, right now, I would say that television is one of the main culprits for mind control.
01:29:18.000But that doesn't mean that it's inherently evil.
01:29:20.000It's just that, for the most part, it's being used in a really negative way.
01:29:24.000And the great thing about the internet is that the potential is really great and all these other things like Twitter and ways to communicate and sort of organize people.
01:29:33.000I hope that it's going to be used more and more.
01:30:38.000I mean, I think after World War II, we won the war, we were the good guys, we beat the bad guys, we can do no wrong, and then the evil just, it was already there, just exploded.
01:30:46.000I think we have to come to grips with the fact that we really do have a corrupt evil empire.
01:31:11.000That hadn't been announced yet, so we won't get into any of the details, but I look forward to seeing you when you're actually here in town.
01:31:16.000There's some other exciting things I won't be announcing as well, but when is South by Southwest, Tommy?
01:31:25.000Tell us some of the things you're working on right now that you can't.
01:31:27.000I know a lot of stuff is in embryonic phases, so you don't want to Well, right now I'm doing a sort of series of portraits of people that are documentaries.
01:31:37.000And one that I'm doing on is on Stephen Prince, who was a friend of Martin Scorsese's.
01:31:43.000And Scorsese made a film of him in the 70s.
01:31:46.000And I'm kind of visiting him 30 years later.
01:31:50.000And another thing that I'm doing is I'm developing a Philip K. Dick short story called Electric Ant.
01:31:57.000I'm working with some comic book writers to make a graphic novel out of it.
01:32:02.000And it's also going to be called Electric Ant.
01:32:13.000Yeah, it's all, you know, I'm really interested in science fiction and thrillers for the most part, and I'm always kind of amazed at how a lot of these Uh, big mainstream movies almost have interesting ideas and they're kind of skirting around these things, like Eagle Eye.
01:32:26.000I don't know if you saw that, but it's... No, is it good?
01:32:29.000But, you know, it kind of deals with surveillance and artificial intelligence and, you know, computers to... So the idea is interesting, just it's not executed well.
01:34:48.000I've got a suggestion I'd like to make to both of you, and it's an idea I've had solely to further the cause of exposing the truth of 9-11 and the other truths which are directly or indirectly related to it.
01:35:04.000And that is actually a movie, and I would call the movie, perhaps, Alex Jones the movie.
01:35:13.000I would call the movie a day in the life of Alex Jones, where he's starting out first frame on the treadmill.
01:35:19.000Basically, Alex, it will require perhaps a speaking tour, a global speaking tour, to promote the movie, and you've always been interested in doing that.
01:35:29.000I know times are the essence these days, and both of you gentlemen have to allocate your time to the greatest effect, toward exposing the truth that needs to be exposed.
01:35:39.000Um, but I wanted to suggest that I thought it would be something you could ponder on in the future, both of you, and Alex knows enough people that are associated with... No, no, no, let's make a movie about a day in the life of Tommy Pilata.
01:36:58.000Trying to explain this, look, Discovery Channel, and I'm not going to get into it because they asked me not to say too much, but some of it's been in the news now so I can talk about it, made a $3.5 million film.
01:37:11.000Because Discovery was going to go the way of a BBC or an HBO.
01:37:17.000They wanted a name for real filmmaking.
01:37:19.000So one of the top filmmakers in the country in documentary, he's like the number two guy, he spent three and a half million dollars.
01:39:44.000But the thing about it is, is that they still came, they still paid for the movie, they still came to see it with an audience.
01:39:49.000So that shows me that, like, piracy necessarily doesn't mean that people will stop paying to have that shared experience.
01:39:56.000In fact, it gives some alternative art a shot at actually being seen.
01:39:59.000So, I mean, I'm always happy to see... Well, you don't like to whine and bitch, but there was some pressure that was bucked, and you guys didn't go along with it with Scanner, but I guess you don't want to get into that?
01:40:07.000Well, I mean, I think... Like they didn't want the cop blowing the guy's head off?
01:40:10.000Yeah, I mean, there's... you always get these studio notes when you're making a film, and you always are kind of wondering, are they even watching the same movie that you're making?
01:40:20.000And, you know, it's a process, and you have to sort of argue passionately to keep the things in that you want to keep in.
01:40:26.000And you have to justify it, which is alright, because most of the time I feel pretty firmly about what I believe, and I'm willing to argue about that with anyone.
01:40:41.000We have a link, by the way, on JonesReport.com where you can go over there and buy the DVD.
01:40:45.000I recommend you do that and support alternative media information.
01:40:49.000I've talked to a lot of folks in Hollywood who want to make films like you're making, Tommy.
01:40:52.000They just, I guess, don't have the I don't want to say skill, things don't line up for them to ever get, I mean even big names, to get to make something that's truly independent like you've been able to do over and over again.
01:41:07.000I mean it's not that it's a, you know, sometimes it's being in the right place at the right time and sometimes it's just being able to go with opportunities, you know, at the time that you see them, you seize those opportunities.
01:41:19.000Yeah, a lot of folks do kind of prattle around and flim, you know, kind of just bumble around with opportunity.
01:41:24.000You've got to seize destiny in your jaws.
01:43:08.000I want to answer that caller's comment.
01:43:10.000Well, you know, I was just thinking, you know, was there really a choice for a presidential election?
01:43:15.000I mean, we had two candidates and, you know, I was in Amsterdam during the elections and I think like 90, 85 or 90 percent of the people were for Obama in Amsterdam.
01:43:33.000You know, I found myself really sort of biting my tongue while I was there because people had so much hope that something was going to change.
01:43:38.000And it wasn't that you were for McCain.
01:43:40.000People were so sympathetic that you knew it was a selected false choice.
01:43:44.000And just as far as, you know, the damage that the Bush administration has done over the last eight years, there was no other choice other than Obama.
01:44:00.000Um, and so, you know, I, you hope for the best and you prepare for the worst, you know, as the saying goes.
01:44:09.000Yeah, but I mean, the betrayal is so over the top.
01:44:11.000Yeah, the cabinet members were, you know, just right off the bat, they all were bad choices.
01:44:16.000But I mean, obviously, gay marriage, marriage, all that's a football issue, but then he goes and appoints the big anti-gay guy to give his inauguration.
01:44:23.000I mean, it's like, and he appoints the warmongers, and he appoints the, I mean, my whole point is, regardless of where you are on those issues, he's going 180 degrees from his base.
01:44:33.000He's kind of bitch-slapping them, you know?
01:44:35.000Yeah, it's a weird thing, and you have to really wonder what the psychology behind that is.
01:44:57.000Um, you know, I think economically there's only, it's only going to get much worse.
01:45:02.000And I'm sure that you're talking about that all the time here.
01:45:05.000And you know, it doesn't, you don't need a crystal ball to see that.
01:45:09.000And I think as soon as, but I mean on the flip side, I think once people really start to suffer, then they'll start to become much more proactive and they'll start to educate themselves.
01:45:19.000Well I mean I agree, but then he'll act again as a diversion as people realize he betrayed them, they're going to think he's actually running something and blame him when the guy's a puppet.
01:45:28.000So in a way I'm even defending Obama, I'm saying we need to depoliticize him.
01:47:40.000And, you know, I'm also thinking about making a documentary that sort of goes down to the history of the prison systems and torture and how that relates to sort of modern day.
01:48:19.000We have cameras everywhere, and it's insane how, if you think outside of the box, especially with regards to drugs and 9-11, Yeah, they're training you how to be a prisoner.
01:48:29.000It would be better for your child to not even be in school.
01:49:35.000I've been looking forward to somebody coming out with a basic template, done in the format of a movie, maybe, just for entertainment.
01:49:43.000But, basically, to stop Web 2.0, and expose it worldwide and offer us ways of combating it and then translating it into a bunch of different languages, keeping it simple stupid, basically, so that it's easy to translate.
01:49:59.000Well, you know, I've done some little presentations, enough respect, and many others have done it.