Big Brother is spying on us everywhere, and we don t even know it. You want answers? Well, so does Alex Jones. Today's guest is Eric Plumlee, an attorney specializing in cell phone surveillance and privacy issues. Also, Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst to George W. Bush Sr. and Ronald Reagan, and his analysis of what's coming up in the next decade from his perspective. And we have a special guest from the "Never Get Busters" organization.
00:00:12.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:21.000Music by Ben Thede Hello my friends, hello, and thank you for joining us.
00:00:37.000Already Wednesday, the seventh day of January 2009.
00:00:43.000We're going to be live here for the next four hours.
00:00:50.000And coming up, we've got Eric Plumlee, attorney on cell phone surveillance in the United States.
00:01:01.000And worldwide, how they're listening to you, how they're tracking you, how it's designed.
00:01:05.000Even when the phone is turned off, if they listen to you, by law, the phone is designed to not just track your location, but audibly listen to you.
00:01:16.000Now, the public is basically becoming aware of it, so we'll go ahead and cover it.
00:01:21.000Also, Ray McGovern, former top CIA analyst to George Bush Sr.
00:01:27.000And of course, Ronald Reagan, getting into the Gaza situation, and his analysis of what's coming up in the next year from his perspective.
00:01:37.000He was the morning briefer, again, to two presidents.
00:01:41.000And then we've got Barry Cooper, NeverGetBusted.com, cop busters.
00:01:45.000He's part of the organization of former narcotics officers that are against drug prohibition and expose the fact that it gets cops killed, citizens enslaved, and only increases the amount of drugs on our streets.
00:01:58.000And he's been busting cops trying to set people up.
00:02:03.000So that is certainly exciting because there are tens of thousands of officers that are members of this group and several other groups and they are aggressively, well they just caught a bunch of police in Florida not allowing people to file complaints on police and the police will start shoving on you, hitting on you.
00:02:21.000This guy's a retired police officer, they threw him through a plate glass window at the police station for just saying, Look, you need to give me the complaint form.
00:02:30.000And the complaint form itself goes in the trash can later.
00:02:32.000But they won't even give you that much respect to give you the thing they throw in the trash can.
00:02:36.000They just throw it through the plate class window.
00:02:39.000But there are a lot of police who aren't evil and aren't arrogant and aren't thugs and they're leaving the force and investigating and tracking police.
00:02:46.000And winning a lot of big lawsuits as well.
00:03:22.000I'm going to get into this later in the broadcast once we go live at PrisonPlanet.tv because I want to show the clips.
00:03:30.000The witnesses were all saying that they took the black men off the train.
00:03:39.000There had been a report of people yelling and screaming at each other and arguing on the train.
00:03:44.000And that they then were putting them in handcuffs.
00:03:48.000And that the man wasn't resisting and that they shot him in the back.
00:03:53.000And the police, and we have their first press conference, have said, no, that's not true.
00:03:59.000And then they use this weird lawyer speak to say, there was a altercation, an argument, and then the officers, one of the officers shot him.
00:04:13.000Now, with legalese speak, he's talking about the argument on the train between the men that had the police respond, but psychologically, and they do this on the news too, in the newscast later, they're sandwiching that in with, oh, he did something, an altercation with police.
00:04:35.000Well, they also confiscated surveillance, not surveillance tapes, tapes that citizens shot, but that didn't stop people on another train that was stopped.
00:04:45.000Videoing it and so the videos have been released showing the police live And that's the issue and folks.
00:04:52.000He just executes this guy The guy is not resisting nothing.
00:04:56.000They're beating him up for fun, and they just got into such a frenzy.
00:05:02.000I've told you for a long time it's important to be self-sufficient, and today that's more important than ever.
00:05:07.000We need to be independent, and food and water is the key.
00:05:10.000You'll never have to stand in a bread line if you have your own bread.
00:05:13.000You'll never have to go to the Superdome and beg for FEMA to take care of your family in any emergency if you simply prepare.
00:05:19.000Our elected representatives wanted a good old boy bailout for the special interest, so they ignored your screams not to do it.
00:05:25.000They turned off the telephones and email.
00:05:27.000They voted to print $850 billion at least out of thin air.
00:05:31.000This money now owns the American and European banks.
00:05:33.000The exploding inflation that is now guaranteed will slash your life savings to nothing and blast the cost of necessities, particularly food beyond many Americans'reach.
00:05:43.000In pre-Nazi Germany's superinflation, the cost of a loaf of bread doubled every two days until it reached over 4 billion marks.
00:05:54.000The private banks merging with our government are refusing to loan grocery stores enough money to restock their shelves.
00:06:00.000The stores have less food, but jack up prices to stay in business.
00:06:03.000Whatever happens in America, we need to be prepared and be ready.
00:06:08.000One-third of Americans have to choose between buying food and paying for other necessities.
00:06:12.000My friends, whatever it takes, get prepared, get self-sufficient, get food.
00:06:17.000And for everybody out there listening, it's very important for you to understand that by having a supply of storable food, the government, the New World Order, has a lot less control over you.
00:06:24.000And so it's a mindset, a mindset of self-sufficiency and preparedness.
00:06:28.000No one is going to take care of your family in the final equation but you.
00:06:31.000You know eFoodsDirect.com is still able to ship storable food that's safe from E. coli, salmonella, genetic alteration, or Chinese imports.
00:06:38.000And they do it at almost half the cost of last year's grocery prices.
00:06:42.000Call 1-800-409-5633 or on the web go to eFoodsDirect.com.
00:06:47.000Visit eFoodsDirect.com and look over the fine list of high quality, freeze-dried, and dehydrated foods they have to offer.
00:06:53.000Watch the free videos, look at their online catalog, or give them a call at 1-800-409-5633.
00:06:59.000Again, 800-409-5633 or on the web at eFoodsDirect.com.
00:07:05.000The first step is getting storable food.
00:07:09.000Bullshit! Number three, put your money where your something is, Gate.
00:07:14.000The Washington Post reporting that lame-duck Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne has left a present for his designated successor, Ken Salazar.
00:07:21.000$235,000 in upgrades to their office bathroom.
00:07:26.000A new shower, monogrammed towels, new tile, new plumbing, and lavish floor-to-ceiling wood paneling, which opens to reveal a refrigerator and a freezer.
00:07:34.000In the bathroom of the Office of the Secretary of the Interior.
00:07:38.000Who apparently likes to freeze stuff in there.
00:07:42.000John Bolton and John Yoo, two of the architects of Mr.
00:07:45.000Bush's foreign policy of shoot first, ask questions second, mention it to Congress last.
00:07:50.000They have written an op-ed for the New York Times titled, Restore the Senate's Treaty Power.
00:07:55.000They are arguing that now the Senate needs to reassert its right to slam the brakes on unilateral international actions by the President.
00:08:02.000They're concerned that Obama may go for a Kyoto-style climate accord without Senate ratification.
00:08:09.000Bombing the hell out of the closest thing to an innocent bystander nation and getting 4,000 of our troops killed without Senate consent, that's fine.
00:08:15.000Try to save the atmosphere and suddenly John freakin' Bolton is demanding checks and balances.
00:08:20.000To Mr. Yu and to Mr. Bolton, this question.
00:08:23.000Do you take your hypocrisy orally or intravenously?
00:08:27.000And number one crazy vice president, Gate, we continue to race the clock.
00:08:32.000Cheney somehow manage to destroy the planet in the next two weeks?
00:08:35.000On Face the Nation, he not only insisted that the economic collapse consisted I think we've done some very good things over the course of the last eight years.
00:08:55.000Defending the country against further terrorist attacks like 9-11.
00:08:58.000I think it's a major accomplishment for example Gets worse our task when we came in was ultimately to deal with the aftermath of 9-11 And we had to take on the global war on terror Listen you fatuous condescending lunatic for the last time your task was not to deal with the aftermath of 9-11 it was to prevent 9-11 and if you utterly whiffed the On the most important test of all the presidencies in your lifetime, Mr. Cheney, you do not get credit for getting a C on the pop quizzes that followed.
00:10:36.000I spent about an hour and a half late last night of time I didn't have To really investigate this shooting that took place by the transit train police, the subway police, out in California.
00:10:58.000You know, this happened last Friday, and I didn't comment on it Sunday, I didn't comment on it Tuesday, because I hadn't had time to go research it and look at it.
00:11:09.000And I don't just sit here waiting feverishly to go after the police and bash the culture and bash their training.
00:11:18.000I have to, people are saying, why aren't you commenting on this?
00:11:22.000Well, the videos hadn't leaked out yet.
00:11:26.000And every few days I see a report, we've had a few here in Austin where the police shoot someone in the back.
00:11:33.000Someone in handcuffs or someone restrained.
00:11:38.000And I don't even particularly ad nauseam bash the police for that, because I have to go study each case and spend time on it before I'm going to say anything about it.
00:11:48.000Well, I did spend a lot of time, an hour and a half.
00:11:51.000I went back and read all the original articles put out Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
00:11:56.000I went and watched the different press conferences by the police.
00:12:01.000And then now, how do I put on the case here on air?
00:15:02.000Coming up later, when we go live at PrisonPlanet.tv at 1 o'clock central in an hour and 45 minutes, I'm going to open up that first 30 minutes before Ray McGovern joins us to cover what's happening in Gaza.
00:15:22.000And we're going to play some of these videos for the PrisonPlanet.tv viewers.
00:15:26.000I'll describe them for the radio audience.
00:15:27.000They're all linked up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, and we'll break this down.
00:15:31.000But the issue is, studying police agencies, they lie more often than they tell the truth.
00:15:40.000In fact, sometimes even when the truth suits them, they lie.
00:15:43.000It is a culture of lying and deceit, and I'm tired of it.
00:15:48.000I saw this culture a year and a half ago when we were out, when the governor had illegally gone to the Bilderberg conference in violation of the Logan Act, Rick Perry, governor of Texas.
00:16:04.000He'd gone to Istanbul, Turkey, and we went out and we were protesting him at a function he was at, about 150 of us, peacefully on the sidewalk, not blocking any roads, and the Austin commander comes over.
00:16:15.000The first commander that showed up, they had riot police, you know, massing across the street, down the street, in a parking lot.
00:16:22.000And he said, listen, if you don't leave in five minutes, I'm going to have you arrested.
00:18:25.000For coming up, the first big cases were what back in 2000 they lost.
00:18:30.000Because if you tried to even hand out pamphlets or even shout on the street corner anywhere around the governor's mansion, the Austin PD and the state police Would show up and say, you can't be here without a permit, we're arresting you.
00:18:42.000And they arrested a group out there protesting for disabled rights.
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00:25:43.000I was listening to Derry Brownfield, who's on the Genesis Network, right before the show, and I heard a caller call in and tell Derry, who's a great guy, syndicated all across the country, that the Trans-Texas Corridor is not dead, because Derry had been reporting that.
00:25:59.000That's what the Associated Press, the Dallas Morning News, all the major TV stations in Texas are reporting.
00:26:06.000But if you go to the press release put out by TxDOT, They state on record that they are simply not going to call it the Trans-Texas Corridor anymore, that they are going to give it a new name, and that they are going to not cancel one part of it, one section of 8,000 miles of Texas roads being seized and handed over to foreign companies to put toll roads on them.
00:26:32.000Now that's the TxDOT, Trans-Texas Corridor, part of a larger Napa superhighway system in the official federal documents.
00:26:39.000It's all in my film, Endgame Blueprint for Global Enslavement.
00:26:43.000The TxDOT hearings, the documents, the state and the feds own records.
00:26:50.000And they want to take 34 major U.S. interstate highways and make those international zones.
00:26:57.000Those will be the first areas seated like embassies.
00:27:01.000to international North American Union controlled administered by the IMF and World Bank International Bank of Settlements.
00:27:07.000That is all in the SPP documents, particularly the ones that Judicial Watch sued to get from September 2007, September 23rd, 24th in Banff, Canada.
00:27:22.000The entire minutes, we got them, and it says, First issue, keep it secret from the public.
00:27:29.000Second issue, this is for the carbon credit tax system where you will pay to use the roads and the money from seizing the 34 major interstate highways and all the sub-state corollary highways, capillary highways, that this will raise hundreds of billions of a year to fund the North American Union.
00:27:50.000And it's all available on Judicial Watch's own website.
00:27:54.000It's all in my film, Endgame, a blueprint for global enslavement.
00:27:58.000So, knowing all of this, we understand that instead of announcing the North American Union Highways, they broke it up into the Indiana Corridor, the Oklahoma Corridor, the California Canamex Corridor, the Arizona Canadian Corridor, the Florida Corridor, and the main artery The I-35 Trans-Texas Corridor.
00:28:26.000Now, remember, two years ago, the Texas Legislature, that's about to go into session again, they passed a law against turning existing roads over to toll roads.
00:28:36.000They announced the plan was dead, to fool everybody, and then move forward and put the toll roads in.
00:28:42.000We're going to come back, break down the basic facts here.
00:28:45.000And I'm going to get Paul Watson or Steve Watson or Curt Nimmo or one of our guys to write an article about this to make it clear that the NAFTA highways are moving forward.
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00:32:42.000I'd die for a living in the movies and TV. But the hardest thing I ever do is watch my leading ladies kiss some other guy while I'm bandaging my knee.
00:33:14.000I've never spent much time in school, but I've taught...
00:33:20.000Let's go ahead and break down the basic facts.
00:33:28.000Trans-Texas Corridor is dead, TxDOT says, and this is out of the Dallas Morning News yesterday, and we covered this at the end of the show.
00:33:37.000And why am I getting back into this right now?
00:33:40.000Because I got emails, I saw comments posted on InfoWars.com when we posted a link to this story with people questioning whether I was right or not by saying that the Trans-Texas Corridor is not dead, and that this is yet another deception by government that doesn't work for the people, but works for foreign outside interest.
00:34:07.000This is a microcosm of everything else we deal with in government.
00:34:10.000The Trans-Texas Corridor itself was already a deception because all these other trans
00:34:18.000Transcorridors are all part in the federal documents and in public admissions of the larger NAFTA Superhighway Security and Prosperity Partnership system to take over every major federal and state highway in the United States and place international tolls on it to foreign private companies with a large portion of it then shared with the state, county, federal and international bureaucracy under the North American Union.
00:34:55.000They are coming in, buying off your politicians at the local level, and then they just sign on to the international agreements, and then lie to the public.
00:35:04.000And a lot of times when they get caught lying, they say, well, we have to do this.
00:35:12.000Well, they're frauds, and we say you break them, and you break them now, instead of lying to us.
00:35:16.000Now, so the Trans-Texas Corridor itself is the crown jewel of all this.
00:35:22.000It's got the main super artery, I-35, up the middle that they admit is the center of the whole program nationwide, and the furthest along.
00:35:33.000And so Texans found out it was 8,000 miles of roads.
00:35:36.000Texans found out that it would, according to their TxDOT's own documents two years ago in the state legislature, The state legislature had to sue and then go to state court to make, text dot, the agency give them the agreements and documents.
00:35:55.000And it turned out that basically no money was being paid by Centra, one of the companies based out of Spain.
00:36:04.000The same time they merged with an Australian company and became Centra-Zachary.
00:36:10.000And so that big hoopla forced, uh, sent her to say, okay, we'll pay 500 million to the state to basically get all the major roads in Texas and make hundreds of billions in just the first decade.
00:36:22.000It's hundreds of billions every year nationwide what these companies would get.
00:36:28.000And then the state passed a law, the legislature.
00:36:34.000They passed a law saying you can't have any more of these toll roads and you can't put them on existing roads.
00:36:39.000So, what did TxDOT and Rick Perry announce?
00:36:42.000They said, okay, you win, it's all over, no more toll roads.
00:36:45.000And everybody went, wait a minute, the toll roads in Dallas and Houston and Austin, all over the country, all over the state, they're still going in.
00:36:52.000Rick Perry said, oh, well, I'll just sign a veto of that bill and it's going to go forward.
00:36:59.000Because at these TxDOT meetings, you'll have 1,200, 1,400, 1,500, in some cases 2,000 people, where the buildings won't even hold them all.
00:37:08.000There was one case here in Austin where people were stomping so loud in the big auditorium above, because the bottom auditorium filled up, that the whole building was shaking.
00:37:18.000They had a raise of hands, who's for the Trans-Texas Corridor and who's against it.
00:37:23.000Six people out of a thousand in the main auditorium raised their hands for it.
00:37:32.000By way of deception, that's what they do.
00:37:35.000So now they're coming out and saying in the headline, Trans-Texas Corridor is dead, TxDOT says.
00:37:40.000The Austin Department of Transportation announced this morning that it has officially killed the Trans-Texas Corridor, saying that despite the project's visionary aspects, it is clearly not the choice of Texans.
00:37:49.000So they're saying, okay, it's visionary, but Texans aren't visionary and you don't want it.
00:37:55.000The announcement comes six years after Governor Rick Perry shook up the state's transportation political circles by unveiling an ambitious plan to stretch highways, rail lines, and utilities for hundreds of miles.
00:38:04.000Along the Interstate 35 and Interstate 69 corridors.
00:38:07.000So they deceived there by claiming it's only a few projects.
00:38:10.000The plan, which would have cost tens of billions of dollars and relied heavily on private toll roads, was hugely controversial.
00:38:17.000Now, if you live in South Texas, East Texas, West Texas, anywhere, you know they were taking over your state highways and saying they were going to put tolls on them.
00:38:23.000So you know that's a lie right there when they say it was just I-35 and 69. Again, it's all deception.
00:38:31.000The plan, which would have cost tens of millions of dollars, relied heavily on private toll roads.
00:38:43.000Amandio Senez, Executive Director of TxDOT, made the announcement that the agency was giving up on the idea at the annual transportation forum in Austin.
00:38:53.000Make no mistake, the Trans-Texas Corridor, as we have known it, no longer exists.
00:39:00.000Oh, as we have known it, each of the dozens of projects, wait, I just thought it was just two projects, now it's dozens, three paragraphs later, each of the dozens of projects were linked together under the rubric of the TTC, including the Loop 9 project in Dallas, the I-69 project in the South, will remain as stand-alone projects, he said.
00:39:22.000And if you read his full press release, it all continues.
00:39:56.000The real impact of today's news is symbolic, signaling a strategic retreat by an embattled agency as its chief political sponsor, Governor Rick Perry.
00:40:06.000Who had to rig up a four-way race so he could get re-elected.
00:40:40.000So see, they have to back off because of a big frontal assault by the New World Order to take over our infrastructure.
00:40:45.000And they're grabbing the power plants, the water districts, the lakes.
00:40:48.000I mean, the foreigners are stealing everything right now.
00:40:53.000The private companies that come in and take over the lakes and the water districts are hiring their own armored SWAT teams, which are private SWAT teams with police power, chartered under state city charters.
00:41:27.000They don't get the county or city permits.
00:41:29.000They don't go register as a private detective agency.
00:41:34.000Because Only a police officer or a private detective registered or a sworn peace officer bonded or a bonded, certified, licensed private detective can gather information on individuals for a criminal investigation.
00:41:53.000Same reason they had to remove red light cameras five years ago in San Diego.
00:41:57.000You can't have a Lockheed Martin Marietta owned red light system making millions of dollars a year per red light Who they got caught, by the way, shortening the red light, shortening the yellow light to actually get more people to actually slide out in the intersection that caused a bunch of wrecks.
00:42:26.000It was bypassing our entire system of checks and balances and innocent until proven guilty.
00:42:31.000It was bypassing the fact that sworn magistrates and sworn elected sheriffs and chartered police agencies are the only ones that can be out there writing tickets.
00:42:54.000Go to YouTube and type in Red Light Cameras Austin and you'll see the local newscast where the city just said, we don't care if it's illegal, the red lights stay.
00:45:09.000They now have governmental power and they're a private group.
00:45:12.000It's a total fraud, but it's not being challenged, just like the stinking red light cameras are a fraud.
00:45:22.000And if the police unions knew what was good for them, they'd be fighting against all of this, because you're going to be replaced with mercenaries, with contractors, with computer systems, which are totally unaccountable to the people.
00:45:33.000And as bad and corrupt and out of control most police agencies are in this nation, these private corporations coming into the mix is even worse.
00:46:21.000You can pull up, just Google it, and pull up hundreds of articles, guys.
00:46:23.000I know you've even written stories about it.
00:46:25.000Where the legislature said, no, you can't have these toll roads on existing roads.
00:46:28.000You can't have a foreign company doing this.
00:46:30.000And by the way, we're not even being paid money.
00:46:32.000You're just handing these over, and you know, these bids weren't done properly, and you just gave it to one company, and this is a scam, and this is internationalist, and the legislature wasn't consulted.
00:46:53.000And you show how they've done this all over the country.
00:46:55.000And how it's part of the larger Napa superhighway grid.
00:46:59.000Put some of those maps up, federal and state maps.
00:47:01.000Then you explain with his own quotes that, oh, we're just breaking these projects up into subprojects.
00:47:07.000And it's going to continue on, but each project separately, so the public can't organize against the whole operation.
00:47:13.000Now they have to organize individually in each regional area, and the globalists will have a better chance of getting most of this project done.
00:47:51.000Others fear that the use of private toll roads developers, including firms based in Spain, would amount to a foreign ownership of Texas roads.
00:47:57.000I'll never forget, the Austin Chronicle wrote an article a few years ago saying that we were not telling the truth and that Cintra wasn't Spanish.
00:48:25.000I mean, they're slapping every few weeks around Texas, I see reports of a new toll road.
00:48:29.000And they're doing it on existing roads.
00:48:31.000The way they get around federal and state law, that you can't make an existing road a toll road, a freeway a toll road, that taxpayers have already paid for, it's already budgeted in for us to pay for it, is they will add an extra shoulder, or they'll add another lane, or they'll fix a bridge.
00:48:47.000They'll say, oh, now the whole thing's a new road.
00:48:49.000Or they'll change the name of the road.
00:48:52.000All lawyer scams, And then, of course, federal law had said before you couldn't make existing roads toll roads.
00:49:03.000Well, Bush has signed an executive order last year stating that if states want their toll road or want their Department of Transportation federal money, which money they take from us and send back, that they have to hand their roads over to foreign interest.
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00:51:32.000Some U.S. investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S. I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
00:51:42.000Bin Laden's connections to the CIA, the hijackers'ties to the FBI, the Saudi Arabian connection, the Israeli Intelligence Network, Warnings and War Games, the shadow government, and much, much more.
00:51:53.000Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.
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00:53:16.000We have to get to the point where we realize just how corrupt the society is and that with a corrupt government came the power for outside governments, institutions, Corporations, allied crime syndicates and corporations, that's what the New World Order is, to come in and take over everything.
00:53:43.000Folks, China didn't have a strong, sovereign government 160 years ago, so the British, the Dutch, the French, the Spanish, the US, they went in and they divided the country up into 10 parts.
00:53:58.000And it happened just like it's happening today.
00:54:00.000The British started bringing in opium over 20 years.
00:54:02.000They bought off all the police because opium was illegal there.
00:54:50.000And they just hand it over to the international corporations.
00:54:54.000A side issue that I'm going to cover In more detail on PrisonPlanet.tv today when we go live at one o'clock central coming up in an hour and five minutes.
00:55:09.000And I was sitting there last night looking at it on the counter, actually my wife was and pointed it out, and she said, look, our farms produce this milk without antibiotics, added hormones, pesticides or cloning.
00:55:22.000They have to say this is not cloned milk from a cloned cow.
00:55:28.000Because we now learn for at least nine years in Canada and the United States that large dairy operations have cloned cows or cows from the offspring, offspring of cloned cows.
00:55:45.000Not just that they give the growth hormone to the cows that makes them produce three times as much milk.
00:55:49.000They find genetic freaks who have been engineered to produce massive amounts of milk and then they breed those cloned animals together with all the bizarre DNA alterations that happen there as well.
00:56:02.000So we're to the point of having to deal with cloned milk or milk from cloned animals or from cloned herds.
00:56:14.000And I say this because a few weeks ago I mentioned that there's cloned milk on store shelves everywhere.
00:56:20.000And I got emails and people laughing at me saying, you know, that's ridiculous.
00:56:40.000You know they've got chickens that have four legs so they have more meat on them?
00:56:45.000Did you know that people are trying to buy, small farms are trying to find original heirloom, I guess you'd call them, old-fashioned chickens, and it's hard to get them.
00:56:55.000And then small farms now are buying the big GMO engineered chickens, and they develop within seven weeks, not 12 to 14 weeks.
00:57:05.000They've got so much meat on their bones, the turkeys too, that they can't even walk after they're full grown.
00:57:11.000They just sit there in the bottom of their cage.
00:59:21.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:59:25.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:59:31.000In one hour, we will be simulcasting the radio show at PrisonPlanet.TV.
00:59:38.000I'm going to go over the latest shooting of an unarmed man restrained by police, and the fact that police lied about what really happened.
00:59:48.000Then we've got Ray McGovern joining us.
00:59:49.000I also want to show folks on the TV show, and I'll discuss it on radio.
00:59:54.000Then later it'll be posted on the web.
00:59:57.000As an archive, that now the organic milk companies are having to put that their cows don't come from cloned herds.
01:00:04.000Because that's how far cloning has gone.
01:00:06.000And we'll break down some of the dangers of that briefly as well.
01:00:09.000Ray McGovern joins us, and then Barry Cooper in studio.
01:00:14.000Former police officer, narcotics officer, who's been out there busting cops, running all sorts of scams.
01:00:20.000He is going to be in studio with us today, so that is very exciting and will be live with us Before our first guest comes on, Eric Plumlee, attorney on cell phone surveillance, I wanted to play a little clip to break it down of a little compilation of mainstream newscast that I saw on YouTube a few days ago that spurred us to get him on the show.
01:00:46.000And again, this is kind of old hat for myself and our main audience that's been here for, in some cases, 13 years, because I've been covering it for 12. We're almost 13 since 2006 when I read the Telecommunications Act that stated all of this.
01:01:03.000By federal law, the cell phones are designed toward the NSA or any other private group, and they admit in these newscasts that private citizens can do this as well.
01:01:37.000And then realize it's all your other devices.
01:01:39.000Your home computer has Google and others, in their own words, using the built-in microphone to listen to you with an AI computer recording everything you say in a database.
01:02:11.000Or their instinct is, oh it's not true, the foreign banks haven't stolen 8.5 trillion, and War Powers Act hasn't been declared, and the Congress isn't under martial law.
01:02:20.000No, no, no, everything's fine, everything's fine.
01:02:29.000And then even when TxDOT comes out with their favorite tactic of saying, we're not building a Napa Superhighway, we're not building a Trans-Texas Corridor, Then they put up the billboards that said Trans-Texas Corridors are putting the toll roads in.
01:02:42.000They denied they were ever going to put toll roads in while they were building the toll road boxes, the toll road machines, the toll road scanners, five, six years ago.
01:02:50.000They would say, we're not doing it, we're not putting a toll road on there.
01:02:53.000Then they did it and said, well, it's not a toll road, it's a fee lane.
01:03:15.000They compete with each other over who is the most deceptive.
01:03:20.000And if you don't like what's happening now, imagine what they're going to be doing in the future if we don't turn this around and don't educate the public about what's developing and happening.
01:03:30.000Speaking of PrisonPlanet.tv, our PrisonPlanet.tv members don't just have the archive that's uploaded within a few hours of the live video transmission TV show we do, Simulcast with Radio, you can watch it live.
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01:04:01.000All right, we'll be right back with the cell phones tracking everything you're doing, what's happening with the economy, and a lot more.
01:04:11.000I've told you for a long time it's important to be self-sufficient, and today that's more important than ever.
01:04:16.000We need to be independent, and food and water is the key.
01:04:19.000You'll never have to stand in a bread line if you have your own bread.
01:04:22.000You'll never have to go to the Superdome and beg for FEMA to take care of your family in any emergency if you simply prepare.
01:04:28.000Our elected representatives wanted a good old boy bailout for the special interest, so they ignored your screams not to do it.
01:04:33.000They turned off the telephones and email.
01:04:35.000they voted to print eight hundred fifty billion dollars at least out of thin air.
01:04:39.000This money now owns the American and European banks.
01:04:42.000The exploding inflation that is now guaranteed will slash your life savings to nothing and blast the cost of necessities, particularly food beyond many Americans reach.
01:04:51.000In pre-Nazi Germany's super inflation, the cost of a loaf of bread doubled every two days until it reached over four billion marks.
01:05:03.000The private banks merging with our government are refusing to loan grocery stores enough money to restock their shelves.
01:05:08.000The stores have less food, but jack up prices to stay in business.
01:05:12.000Whatever happens in America, we need to be prepared and be ready.
01:05:17.000One-third of Americans have to choose between buying food and paying for other necessities.
01:05:21.000My friends, whatever it takes, get prepared, get self-sufficient, get food.
01:05:25.000For everybody out there listening, it's very important for you to understand that by having a supply of storable food, the government, the new old order, has a lot less control over you.
01:05:33.000And so it's a mindset, a mindset of self-sufficiency and preparedness.
01:05:36.000No one is going to take care of your family in the final equation but you.
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01:06:17.000News stories recently revealed that the FBI used ordinary cell phones to monitor the room conversations of suspects.
01:06:24.000This could be accomplished by changes to the phone's firmware, the internal software that makes them run, which might require physical access to the phone or could even be done remotely in some cases, depending on the phone and the level of cellular company cooperation.
01:06:38.000Now, unless you're a mobster, terrorist, or perhaps a peace activist, you're not likely to be targeted this way by the authorities.
01:06:45.000But it's also possible that illicit bugs could be implemented the same way.
01:06:50.000And it's always worthwhile to know your technology, so let's look at some easy clues that might suggest that something unusual could be going on with your cell phone.
01:07:04.000The trick is to remember that everything done on these phones needs electricity, and that all comes from the batteries.
01:07:10.000These batteries will degrade over time, and tend to give reduced service after many charges.
01:07:15.000But in general, if you suddenly notice that your phone's battery is running out much faster than usual, and you haven't been talking more, this could suggest that your phone is busily transmitting room conversations via its microphone while you thought it was idle, and so draining the battery more rapidly.
01:07:31.000In such a case, turning off the phone may not actually stop this behavior, since firmware could be altered to make a phone look like it was turned off when it was actually still on.
01:07:42.000Taking out the battery, though, is pretty much a sure thing to shut down all significant activity.
01:07:47.000And don't worry, there's not enough room in most modern cell phones for hidden extra batteries of a size that could do much more than keep the phone's clock running.
01:07:56.000He's the T-Rex of political talk Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network All
01:08:51.000Yeah, I mean, that's like a 20-minute clip.
01:08:53.000It's got a bunch of clips where the news is admitting this because I want to try to somehow shake the public out of their denial about how these devices, everything that we use in our lives, has been designed and set up to track and trace.
01:09:07.000I mean this is a total control grid being put in.
01:09:11.000...that could do much more than keep the phone's clock running.
01:09:17.000A similar clue that your phone may be transmitting behind your back is if it just seems warmer than usual between calls.
01:09:27.000You've probably noticed that cell phones tend to get warm as you talk longer.
01:09:31.000This is normal while calls are in progress, but it would be very odd indeed if your phone didn't cool off some between calls.
01:09:39.000Both of these clues, especially the unusually rapid draining of the phone's battery, could also be indications that room audio is being recorded within the flash memory of the phone for later bulk transmission via the phone's data capabilities.
01:09:52.000And bulk transmission can be more difficult to detect.
01:09:56.000Modern phones can contain a lot of flash memory, so this is a real possibility.
01:10:01.000Music Finally, if you have a conventional GSM phone, the type used most around the world and the standard for both AT&T Singular and T-Mobile, your ears can tell you what's going on.
01:10:17.000You've probably heard the annoying GSM buzz interference that can leak into speakers and other audio equipment during calls.
01:10:29.000That's what an actual call sounds like.
01:10:34.000If your phone was bugging you in real time, the transmission of the room audio would usually create this same sound.
01:10:41.000If you hear it between calls, that's a possible indication that your phone may have been compromised.
01:10:46.000Note that there is similar interference that can occur briefly between phone calls at various intervals for voicemail indications, text messages, and phone control updates to the mobile network.
01:10:57.000These can occur at any time, like these.
01:11:12.000will normally only occur during calls or continuous data transmission.
01:11:19.000And that's the sound to be suspicious of if you hear it when your phone is supposedly idle.
01:11:24.000This interference listening technique is much less useful if you have a CDMA technology phone, like from Verizon or Sprint in the US.
01:11:32.000Or if you're using a new 3G GSM phone in 3G mode, which also uses a type of CDMA technology.
01:11:40.000Since much less audible interference is produced from these phones, you may not be able to hear it at all.
01:11:45.000But the battery and heat-related clues from earlier will still likely work fine, even in these cases.
01:11:52.000Your cell phone almost certainly isn't a bug.
01:11:55.000But it never hurts to know what is and isn't possible, especially with an expanding and powerful technology that most of us carry with us wherever we go.
01:12:24.000The Federal Bureau of Investigation can now hear everything you say.
01:12:29.000Even when the cell phone is turned off.
01:12:31.000I know it sounds kind of out there, but using your phone's tracking device, authorities can now activate the microphone inside the dreaded thing, allowing them to eavesdrop on you and your conversations.
01:12:42.000Serious business, and the FBI used this form of surveillance to keep tabs on critical conversations by people they call known members of the mafia.
01:12:51.000Experts say the only way around it is to take the battery out of the thing.
01:16:13.000Chesapeake attorney Eric Plumlee coming up in about 14 minutes from now.
01:16:18.000The reason I played this is as good and as informative as these little newscasts we're playing clips of are, they don't explain to you why this ever happened.
01:16:27.000Under federal law, the cell phones in 1996 had to implement this, and there was a sliding scale by 2007, they had to have an agreed-upon platform and follow what the federal government said for the applications for snooping by the NSA, FBI, and others.
01:16:45.000By 1998, they had to have their newest cell phones equipped with this, and by 2001, October 1st, by law, set in 1996, all phones by law have this in them.
01:17:01.000So, again, the federal government did this, and they're now admitting in England and the U.S. that the national ID cards we carry, you didn't know you had one, even your state ID is federally controlled, it's in a federal database, that is causing massive identity theft.
01:17:15.000It's those databases, it's the use of those cards.
01:17:18.000The media likes to act like the Internet's what's causing identity theft.
01:17:23.000Remember Bank of America, like last year, what was it, three million names and whole You know, where they live, their passcodes, everything, quote, got stolen.
01:17:36.000They can sell them on the black market for millions of dollars.
01:17:39.000And a lot of this comes out of Pakistan, out of India, out of Russia, out of Israel, are some of the biggest nations that are safe houses where the government's turned a blind eye to big crime syndicates.
01:17:49.000I mean, whole office buildings filled with people using this stolen data.
01:17:56.000Well, now Google is using its systems to listen to your computer, everything over the microphone base of the computer going on in your house, and just everything else.
01:18:07.000This cell phone situation is only the surface of a very, very deep well of Orwellian control.
01:18:13.000Well, it's worse than what Orwell envisioned.
01:18:16.000What will you do when the economy collapses?
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01:19:16.000The United States seems to be celebrating over its triumph of reducing government debt.
01:19:20.000But the truth be told, public and private debt increased to a record high in 1999, reaching a peak of $14.8 trillion, marking 10.57% annual increase, outpacing its previous 10 years.
01:19:33.000The U.S. economy receives its currency by taking on debt through a private banking institution called the Federal Reserve System.
01:19:39.000In the year 2000, debt growth collapsed to only 4.5%.
01:19:43.000It's bad enough that the U.S. citizens is bound by debt in order to have commerce.
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01:23:12.000Analyst predicts 40% unemployment, no recovery until 2015.
01:23:19.000Bank of England policymaker predicts unprecedented dollar collapse.
01:23:26.000Russia cuts off gas to Europe, not just Ukraine.
01:23:31.000I'm going to cover some of that in just a moment.
01:23:33.000We're getting into a little report for 30 minutes with a lawyer that's out there exposing the fact that cell phones are tracking, tracing, and listening to you.
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01:24:57.000Now, on the economy, later in the show I'm going to get more into this, but right now let me get into some of it.
01:25:04.000Analysts predict 40% unemployment, no recovery until 2015.
01:25:09.000We think we now have enough data from both the fundamentals and the technicals to make some serious forecasts and predictions for 2009.
01:25:17.000They've been very accurate on this group, this site.
01:25:21.000Well, 2008 was a nasty year with lots of things imploded that are far from being repaired.
01:25:26.000Treasury Secretary Paulson told us this week that there was no more surprises, which they always lie.
01:25:31.000Remember, they said two years ago we weren't in a recession, which tells me we haven't even discovered but a small portion of this monster derivatives mess.
01:25:38.000Remember, they said over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again that the economy was great two years ago or that the worst of the banking crisis was over.
01:25:54.000However, the larger question for traders and investors is what could happen next and when.
01:25:59.000In the following report, we take the key global economic points and suggest the outcome of 2009.
01:26:05.000The most important news for 2008 was the destruction of the big global banks' net worth.
01:26:44.000Two plus years ago, the world began moving away from dollars, not buying as many dollars, moving into an index basket of other world currencies.
01:26:55.000A former member of the Bank of England's Monetary Policy Committee has predicted a massive collapse of the dollar within the next two to five years, warning that the government increase in spending under President-elect Obama could be disastrous.
01:27:34.000Before long, my best guess is between two and five years from now, a global dumping of U.S. dollar assets, including U.S. government assets.
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01:29:32.000Fabled Enemies is the first 9-11 film to take a close look at the terrorist ties to intelligence networks inside the United States.
01:29:39.000Some U.S. investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S. I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
01:29:49.000Bin Laden's connections to the CIA, the hijackers'ties to the FBI, the Saudi Arabian connection, the Israeli Intelligence Network, Warnings and War Games, the shadow government, and much, much more.
01:30:01.000Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.
01:30:16.000Phase 1 of the Insider's plan for a one-world government has been initiated with a recent bailout.
01:30:20.000International bankers and power brokers have engineered the current crisis to create a new currency and a new World Bank to act as savior.
01:31:31.000Earlier in the hour, I played some newscast clips that Eric Plumlee was in and others.
01:31:42.000Breaking down that not just the government, who by law made the cell phone manufacturers put these surveillance platforms into all phones by law, October 1st, 2001.
01:31:53.000They passed the law in 96, but again, gave them that time to have it by law on all phones.
01:31:58.000But that folks can buy the software, download the software, and do it to anybody else they wish.
01:32:03.000You can also easily, not just tune into somebody's phone, even when it's turned off, you have to take the battery out to stop it from happening, but also physically track you.
01:32:13.000And finally the public is figuring this out, but this is being engineered into all major communications platforms.
01:32:19.000So I wanted to talk to this attorney and find out how he got involved in all of this.
01:32:24.000He does criminal law, domestic relations, family law, divorce, felonies, misdemeanors, and he joins us now.
01:32:35.000Tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got involved in all of this.
01:32:38.000Well, as you just stated, I am a criminal defense attorney and I do a ton of domestic relations law.
01:32:45.000And as you would imagine, there's a tremendous amount of overlap in between those two practice areas.
01:32:50.000And it comes up frequently where criminal charges actually stem from domestic relations matters, where somebody has just gone too far to try to surveil a suspected cheating spouse or to gain some advantage in a custody proceeding.
01:33:12.000As far as my appearance on the local TV station, it wasn't uncommon for me to do certain things.
01:33:19.000it was actually their brainchild because they had, I guess, been tipped off to this sort of disturbing way that people can be tracked and monitored, and they wanted to get a little snippet of the legality.
01:33:32.000Well, that's why we have you here because this is becoming very widespread.
01:33:39.000No one knows exactly how widespread the federal government Has been caught, the FBI using OnStar, which is a cell phone platform to tune in and surveil people.
01:33:48.000We know the NSA has been doing it and they brag about it.
01:33:51.000It's being used against the general public without warrants many times, but your particular entry into this whole fracas is then dealing with these custody battles or cases where husbands and wives are spying on each other.
01:34:03.000Let's look at that aspect because that's your expertise.
01:34:07.000Break down exactly the different formats, the different ways people are being spied on, or their location being tracked, or audibly being listened to.
01:34:15.000And from your view in this, how widespread it is.
01:34:46.000You can actually tape record a conversation that you're a party to without the permission of the other party.
01:34:52.000Most states, only Connecticut and a few others, don't let you do that and they call that the wiretapping laws, correct?
01:34:59.000Well, wiretapping in Virginia takes on a little bit of a different characteristic where wiretapping under Virginia statutes anticipate and encompassed under the wiretapping is really Also a prohibition against somebody dropping a pocket recorder in a room of other people and them walking out and intercepting oral communication.
01:35:18.000That all is kind of encompassed under the wiretapping statute, but wiretapping is taking someone else's communications, either cell phone or landline or, like I said, even a face-to-face communication, and then somehow intercepting that, but it doesn't prohibit recording a call that you're a party to.
01:35:39.000Neither does it prohibit if you and I are having this conversation privately and Joe Investigator says, hey, actually, I'm having a conversation with you, and you've told Joe Investigator, hey, you can record this conversation.
01:35:56.000Even though he's not a party to it, he can record it because he has the consent of at least one of us.
01:36:01.000So that would be permissible under Virginia law.
01:36:04.000The interesting part about how it breaks down is if...
01:36:07.000I'm talking to, let's say, my wife, and she and I are in a heated battle, and we're going into custody proceedings, and I record her, a conversation with her, and she says, you'll never see the kids again, and then I try to use that recording in the domestic proceedings.
01:36:26.000I cannot do that unless I have told her at the outset of the conversation that I am recording her.
01:36:35.000Now, that same prohibition doesn't exist where if I am recording the conversation and she says, oh yeah, you're never going to see the kids again because I'm going to get a gun and I'm going to shoot you and kill you, now she's made a threat over the telephone, which is obviously a criminal offense, and I can use that recording in a criminal proceeding even though she didn't have notice of it.
01:36:57.000So it can be used at some points and not at others.
01:37:00.000And then, of course, there's the whole reasonable perception of privacy.
01:37:07.000If I'm walking down the street with an audio recorder and people are walking by me talking, I, from what I've studied, can't get in trouble for doing that because I'm in a public place.
01:37:18.000But if I go put a recorder over my back neighbor's fence and try to record him on his property, that would be some type of eavesdropping or wiretapping offense in most states.
01:37:31.000Usually what you do in public, you subject yourself to free game.
01:37:36.000Now, there are obviously some statutes that are on the books to address issues of peeping and that kind of stuff, you know, where if you've got a lady walking through the shopping mall in a miniskirt, you know, even though she's in public, there are specific statutes that says, hey, don't use your toe mirrors and don't use your little pocket cameras to try to shoot up Yeah, because that's going into her private space.
01:37:59.000Now, expanding on that, and I want to get back into the cell phones themselves, we see all these videos and news articles from all over the nation where somebody will videotape the police, even from their own front yard, or have surveillance cameras on their house.
01:38:13.000And then when people try to use that against the police, there's been cases of police coming and arresting them, saying that that was wiretapping, which is ridiculous because, again, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy out in the open air.
01:38:26.000And I've had police walk up to me around the nation and say, turn your cameras off, you don't have permission, when I'm on a city street.
01:38:32.000Well, they don't have any expectation of privacy, and that's all been litigated out in court.
01:38:37.000And the police have lost in every case, but they don't care.
01:38:39.000They continue all across the nation to claim you don't have a right to Yeah, you know, and I've not been involved in any of those civil disputes that result from somebody, you know, kind of the Rodney King, Reginald Denny type recordings that I guess probably some of the forerunners of this very popular taping of these public incidents, especially those that involve the police.
01:39:02.000So I've never had the opportunity to litigate that in the civil arena.
01:39:05.000Well, I just know that, let's say I go down to get some crowd shots on New Year's for a documentary I'm making of what crowds think about, say, Barack Obama.
01:39:14.000I was just doing that last week as I'm making a film about him.
01:39:19.000We'll always have a few aggressive nuts or people who don't like me come up and say, hey, you don't have permission to be videotaping me when I'm shooting crowds of people.
01:39:26.000And I say, listen, you're walking down a public street in the middle of the music district.
01:39:34.000And that's what the news does under newsgathering.
01:39:37.000If I'm making an entertainment film, I would have to get each and every person in some circumstances to sign a waiver form.
01:39:44.000But if I'm doing newsgathering or First Amendment, I'm protected.
01:39:47.000Right, and I think, and that is my understanding of it as well, and I know it gets somewhat gray and a little bit more complicated if you were, and you touched on this when you said if you're going to use it for entertainment value, but if you were going to take that person's likeness and somehow use it for marketing purposes or something that would be for pecuniary gain, then you would obviously have a problem with using their image without their consent.
01:40:12.000But as you say, they're on a public street and you're filming a documentary or you got your cameras rolling because You just enjoy filming crowds, like you're instead of a bird watcher, you're a crowd watcher.
01:40:21.000I don't think there's any prohibition against it.
01:40:25.000Now, in the time we have left with you, specifically getting back to the cell phones, without getting into any attorney-client privilege, cases you've looked at, cases you've studied, I mean, how does this normally transpire?
01:40:39.000A husband wants to spy on his wife, or vice versa, he goes and downloads the software.
01:40:45.000Well, it's done in a number of different formats with the domestic relations law and I've had things where somebody puts, it kind of looks like almost the size of a brick, a little bit smaller, but they'll attach that up underneath the vehicle and it's amazing the software and the websites that help to transpond that information where they drive to places and you can literally follow them real time as they travel to these various locations.
01:41:10.000And that's a cell phone based system again?
01:41:13.000It may very well be a cell phone based system.
01:41:18.000Right. So that's somewhat common in these.
01:41:21.000The other thing that I've had come up a number of times is where somebody has done the pocket recorder press play and record and waited for that phone call to be made or they've waited for the visitor to come to the house and that has come up before.
01:41:36.000The other thing that I have and I have in my office right now is a small, very We're good.
01:41:49.000basically if you can picture this about the size of somebody using a hole punch to uh punch a hole right in the middle of it doesn't you know it doesn't even stand out until you get right on top of it and inserted into that was a um a small camera and this guy was recording his wife literally for hours upon end in the house and he placed one in the bathroom and all kinds of stuff so Those are the more common areas that you see.
01:42:19.000But of course, in this case, the lady had no idea she was being recorded.
01:42:24.000The other thing that comes up quite frequently, and it's a little bit frustrating for the domestic practitioner, is that people say and do all kinds of stuff on their cell phones these days.
01:42:35.000Um, they send text messages or they send pictures or streaming videos of themselves or whatever the case may be.
01:42:41.000And many times they're very damning from an evidentiary standpoint and for us to try to get our hands on those can be difficult because of the cellular company's reliance on some of these wiretapping laws and where you could usually issue a subpoena ducus tecum to get the documentation sent to your office.
01:42:59.000Now they want you to have to go through court order and they rely upon the statutes which are really designed to assist the law enforcement officials and it can be very difficult to get your hands on those sorts of things.
01:43:13.000So not only is there more surveillance going on but they're making it harder for the general public to get access to it.
01:43:22.000Alright, specifically with the cell phones Well, you know that piece that you probably showed earlier on your show where that software gets downloaded and once that happens it's as if the person is riding around with a live mic in their pocket.
01:43:50.000And, you know, I have not had either a criminal client who has been charged with We're good to
01:44:24.000go. Listen, you know, he said XYZ and the only way he'd have known that is if he would have somehow heard this or, you know, heard me say that to this person.
01:44:35.000The only time I've mentioned that particular fact is when I spoke to such and such, you know, or whatever.
01:44:41.000And it's a case where clearly the only mechanism that the person could have used to obtain that information was to somehow have eavesdropped on a telephone call used by the cell phone.
01:44:52.000Now, the bigger issue here, and I'd like to get your take on this, I know this isn't your particular area of expertise or practice, but I do want your view on it, Mr. Plumlee, and that is the federal government by law had this engineered into all phones, and then that opened up the Pandora's box for not just the NSA, the FBI, and every other alphabet agency, or out-of-control agents within those agencies, rogue agents to be surveilling people, but now this technology is out to the public and is rampantly being discovered.
01:45:52.000Literally, there were bumper stickers that said, we love jet noise.
01:45:55.000Because suddenly now, our country was coming to protect us from all these things.
01:46:03.000And so there's been, obviously, a shifting in the mentality over the years of how much is too much of the big brothering going on.
01:46:11.000So unfortunately, as technology evolves, and you're going to have statutes in place which are At least in theory for national security and other investigative purposes, which are going to be abused.
01:46:22.000And, you know, depending on what your focus is, because for every one of the frustration violations of our civil liberties that we may see, there may be 10 areas where there was some chaos or catastrophe avoided because of information.
01:46:36.000So it just depends on what perspective and what focus you want to maintain.
01:46:41.000But we now know that the whole NSA system has been used for the NSA to sit around listening to phone sex.
01:46:46.000I mean, they've had agents on TV, on ABC News, admitting this is going on.
01:46:51.000Right. You know, and you're not going to find, I don't think, too many people to say, yeah, that's cool.
01:46:57.000And that is, obviously, a violation of your rights.
01:47:00.000And, you know, it's very frustrating that they're the guys who, obviously, the statutes are in the books to assist with certain other investigative needs, and they're the ones that are abusing it.
01:47:13.000And I don't think you're going to find anybody to say that, yeah, they're okay with that.
01:47:17.000Well, separately, when you've been part of that particular TV production, and when you've talked about this to the media in the past, is this shocking to your clients?
01:47:28.000Is this shocking to the public to learn that so many of these platforms have had surveillance backbones engineered into them?
01:47:38.000I mean, the Feds engineered the phones, by law, or ordered the companies to, to where they can dial in Or anybody else can for that matter, when the phone is turned off and use it as a bugging device.
01:47:50.000Well there's certainly a shock value that goes with the fact, I guess the shock kind of goes on two major levels and then there's obviously probably information that they still don't realize.
01:48:02.000And the one shock is obviously, and the one that is the most prevalent is when The person has obviously been surveilled without their knowledge, and that obviously trumps everything, because when it's personal to you, that emotion takes over.
01:48:19.000The second one is that I think people continue to somehow be surprised by technology, and that it has the capability to do all these things.
01:48:28.000The piece I did for the local guys here, that was their focus.
01:48:35.000That a simple cell phone that had been left unattended for ten minutes could have been turned into such a surveillance device.
01:48:41.000I don't think that people, generally speaking, just your average Joe on the street, realizes that some of the backbone and some of the sophisticated technology inside the phone was actually put there at the government's urging.
01:48:57.000And so, yeah, there's no question that's going to bring about a different level of shock.
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01:52:34.000We're talking to attorney Eric Plumlee and we really appreciate him coming on to talk about Just kind of at the ground legal level of dealing with all of this new emerging technology and the proliferation of surveillance systems by governments, corporations, families, private individuals, companies. In closing, sir, I've been on air for 13 years.
01:52:55.000I remember about 12 years ago, I had a Time Warner installer at my house, and he happened to be one of their sub-engineers.
01:53:15.000And he said, these new digital cable boxes, everything you do, everything you watch is put in a psychological algorithm and that data can then be sold and used.
01:53:24.000So I did more research on it and found out it was true.
01:53:27.000And it was years until people started actually using those microphones for their own applications.
01:53:31.000Now all the new computers have cameras and microphones.
01:53:34.000And two years ago, Google announced, they said, hey, We are going to use the camera and the microphone built in on the computers with a new software to listen to everything going on in your home or to watch you and say, if we hear a dog barking, we'll know to put ads up in front of you with cookies on the screen you're looking at for dog food.
01:53:56.000And they said, but we get around violating the Fourth Amendment because this is a computer listening, which is asinine, and then it creates a text Of all the audio, it's NSA type technology.
01:54:15.000Well, no, you know, I guess I'm one of the average Joes who finds myself kind of awestruck by the, and again, I don't know why, but awestruck by the technology that exists that they can do these things with seemingly innocent pieces of equipment that have been installed in your home.
01:54:32.000No, I had heard That there were certain things that could happen through the cable box, as far as video or audio surveillance and how that is communicated.
01:54:42.000You know, it's kind of like when you go to the grocery store and you buy one thing and all of a sudden on the back of your receipt it prints out a coupon for a competing brand of whatever it is that you just purchased.
01:54:52.000So that kind of stuff, I guess, going on through your cable box.
01:54:55.000But I think that the wiretapping laws, and again in Virginia, But that's my whole point.
01:55:19.000Institutionalized. Well, here's a case point example.
01:55:22.000Chicago Tribune, Super Bowl three years ago, Janet Jackson, wardrobe malfunction with her breasts, staged event.
01:55:29.000You know, she has it all dolled up in a little sun symbol.
01:55:33.000And Tevo brags, we had 2.2 million rewinds and replays within 10 minutes.
01:55:37.000And the Chicago Tribune said, and we already knew about this, people wouldn't believe us, they said, well, how did you know how many people rewound and replayed across the nation?
01:56:02.000I mean, it's interesting that you went and looked at that, because that's where many times you would find that loophole to allow them to be able to monitor all your activity in your home, is that when they install the box and you agree to use this within our terms, and then the terms, which you need a microscope to read, Say that, you know, we can do certain things.
01:56:23.000We can listen, we can watch, we can record and, you know, use these things to sell to companies so that they can market you more effectively.
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