On today's show, Jason and Jason talk about the current monetary situation in the United States and discuss the best way to solve the problem of monetary policy. They also have a special call in from Joe in Pennsylvania.
00:00:09.000network and now live from austin texas alex jones welcome ladies and gentlemen welcome we are at the third hour of this worldwide broadcast on the 15th of january 2009 already in 2009 bob it's pretty incredible time flies yeah absolutely does it's it's As you get older, it gets faster too, Jason.
00:02:01.000So, listen, your hard assets aren't always safe either.
00:02:04.000In fact, I think there's a law that says unless the coin is minted before a certain date in the early 1900s, they can come and take it again, right?
00:02:19.000They're going to, like, obey their own law, right?
00:02:22.000And the reason that I go into hard currency, and I don't know if that's the complete answer to the stock market collapse, the financial situation, I'm just saying that gold and silver have retained a value through the centuries, and have always been sought after by not only the wealthy, but the commoner as well.
00:02:37.000So it's a good, at least it's something for barter.
00:02:41.000I don't think it's going to solve our monetary system.
00:02:44.000I would like to see more Ron Paul type policies take place in this country so we do have something to back our money up other than the industry that doesn't exist in this country anymore.
00:02:52.000The value of gold and silver is a convention that has worked for centuries and centuries.
00:02:59.000And it keeps the money powers from artificially inflating the money supply and hurting everybody's money.
00:03:09.000willy-nilly, and they don't care about the consequences to the rest of us.
00:03:13.000If you had a system which was backed by gold, backed by silver or whatever, they couldn't do that, and then they'd have to behave themselves.
00:03:22.000But that's just not the way we have it right now.
00:03:53.000He was pretty exasperated about, you know, what do we do?
00:03:57.000We hear all this information, and what are we supposed to do with the information?
00:04:01.000And I listened to his shows over and over, and it's like, There's so much going on.
00:04:08.000We're being bombarded from every single angle.
00:04:11.000And it's like you jump from one subject to the next.
00:04:13.000But I think that, you know, when push comes to shove, when they come to take us out of our houses, that's when you're going to see the real doo-doo hit the fan, so to say.
00:04:25.000And that's when the people are going to start fighting back.
00:04:27.000Well, I hope that the people fight back before then.
00:04:31.000I mean, MTV put out a commercial last year where basically they said that the Holocaust could happen again in this country, and they had people rounded up out of subway stations and out of their homes into trucks.
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00:08:00.000All right, folks, we are just busting through your calls here at the Alex Jones Show on I am Jason Verma, sitting in all week.
00:08:12.000We're going to go to Robert, John, Bob, Jesse, and more.
00:08:20.000But first, I want to play this for the PrisonPlanet.TV viewers.
00:08:23.000These are a couple commercials that MTV put out, Think.MTV.com put out last year, and they basically are warning the average Joe that, hey, guess what?
00:08:34.000The Holocaust happened to people just like us that didn't really think it was possible.
00:09:41.000Now, I know that doesn't make for great radio, because you can't see what's going on, but in the first one, basically, people are rounded up right out of a subway, Bob.
00:09:49.000Yeah, and the second one, they're rounded up right out of their house.
00:09:51.000And what was waiting for them outside?
00:09:53.000Big trucks full of other people from the family.
00:09:56.000Which, of course, exactly what Jack McClam has always said, when the tyranny comes, it's wearing a uniform.
00:10:03.000Exactly, and we're going to have McClam on in about 20 minutes.
00:10:27.000Well, I'm not really mad at you, but, you know, as I keep hearing this over and over again about these large marches, large demonstrations, You know, that does bring somewhat media attention and put the spotlight on some of the problems.
00:10:45.000But the really thing that's really going to change things is if we don't get in there and start grabbing back the handles of government.
00:10:53.000We did that here in Los Angeles County.
00:10:56.000Several of us who worked on Dr. Paul's campaign ran for the Republican Central Committee and got elected.
00:11:05.000So it's kind of like campaign for liberty stuff, right?
00:11:07.000Because I love what Ron Paul did out of that election.
00:11:10.000I mean, he didn't win, but he started an organization that is supposed to get people like ourselves, grassroots, elected into office so that we can make a change.
00:11:18.000I think that everybody out there that can run for city council member or a local state senator or a member of Congress should do so.
00:11:25.000And that dovetails with the, uh, with G. Edward Griffin's organization, Freedom Force International.
00:11:42.000Right, and so, uh, a few of us even got onto the executive board.
00:11:47.000Our biggest problem now is basically like any political organization, especially on the Republican side, since they've, um, Uh, sort of ruin the name is getting people registered as Republicans, getting other Republicans elected and raising money.
00:12:03.000Um, uh, of course the big one raising money helps shows that those of us who actually went out and put ourselves into the wheels to, uh, you know, say that we don't really need money from special interests or, or people that we don't necessarily want to be friendly with.
00:12:18.000Um, uh, and then also choosing candidates within your local area.
00:12:23.000That's what the Central Committee does, is basically do endorsements and do campaign research and development.
00:12:30.000And I think they have these organizations, or what we call them, precinct leaders or block captains, all over the United States.
00:12:37.000But until we start grabbing at the bottom and then reaching for the top, we're never going to change the top, because once you take away their base of power and their funding, which is pretty much what we'd like to do, Nothing's going to happen.
00:12:51.000All the marches, all the protests will not help.
00:12:56.000First of all, I think that marches do help, but we have not gotten the numbers that we need to make ourselves relevant in the everyday media, number one.
00:13:04.000Number two, I totally and completely agree with you that we need to put ourselves into office.
00:13:09.000But then I look at myself, I'm like, am I ready to commit two years of my life into some local office?
00:13:14.000Hopefully somebody else out there is and maybe that's just not my calling, Bob.
00:13:18.000But a couple of my friends, upstate New York guys, actually I'm an upstate New York guy, my friends I went to college with, they were from Long Island and they went all the way out to Minnesota for the big Ron Paul rally.
00:13:31.000And one of them, one of the two of them, Actually got chosen by Campaign for Liberty to run for local office and be backed by the organization this year.
00:13:46.000I mean, I think that we do have to take back local office.
00:13:48.000I think the smaller you start, the bigger you'll get.
00:13:51.000Yeah, I don't think that you're going to find many of us able to win a Congressional election or an actual Senate election.
00:13:59.000Hell, Cindy Sheehan couldn't even win her Congressional spot and there was enough people out there that didn't want the incumbent Pelosi.
00:14:05.000Whether they fudge the numbers or whatever, there was somebody that had a face, a name, and honestly a message that I could get behind, you know, let's end the war.
00:14:13.000We're talking about county commissioners and things like that, mayors, you know, that type of thing where they can have an impact on their local community.
00:14:20.000Now here in Austin, what, a few years ago, and Alex Jones actually kind of led the thing, we got the city council to pass a resolution against the Patriot Act.
00:14:31.000I mean, that's the kind of thing we're talking about.
00:14:33.000You gotta go from the bottom up, and it may not be glamorous, you know, to be a county commissioner, I don't know, but things like that have to be done all over the country.
00:14:42.000I'm almost sure that it is absolutely not glamorous.
00:14:55.000Yeah, so I'm going to be a bit of a Christ advocate here.
00:14:59.000I want to ask you, How much money do we need to give you in charity before you guys understand just the most basic precepts of what justice is?
00:15:08.000You know, the problem with you guys hijacking our freedom movement is that you won't acknowledge it.
00:17:13.000I mean, listen, we're all people and we're not... Your justice?
00:17:20.000No, justice requires evidence to prove someone's guilt or innocence.
00:17:24.000By Bush closing in 9-11 investigations immediately after the terrorist event, He's committing the highest act of treason, but you guys go, he's just a puppet, never mind him.
00:17:34.000Listen, listen, do you realize yesterday this is something I haven't talked about on the show and you keep screaming, well we're going to let him go because I can't take it.
00:17:40.000But it's just totally ridiculous, mentally ill jealousy or something.
00:17:44.000The deal is, and I want to see if I can... He is a puppet!
00:17:47.000I want to see if I can communicate this to that fellow.
00:18:51.000You have got to, you've got to generate the cash in order to run an operation, and that's just tough.
00:18:58.000One thing I love about my show, the simple truth, since it's all volunteer and there is no money involved, there's no commercials, no anything, I'm totally free to say whatever the heck I want and I don't care who I tick off, and I know that when you run a commercial operation, you've got to be careful about, well, you know, you might want to just stay away from this subject because an advertiser might not like it, but that's the real world, man!
00:19:21.000If you want to get the information out, you've got to get the information out.
00:20:17.000investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S.
00:20:24.000I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
00:20:28.000...Laden's connections to the CIA, the hijacker's ties to the FBI, the Saudi Arabian connection, the Israeli intelligence network, warnings and war games, the shadow government, and much, much more.
00:21:00.000What people don't know, however, is how this directly affects your personal finances.
00:21:03.000Is there a way to prevent your portfolios from losing value?
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00:24:21.000It's a horrible thing, Jason, that somebody has enough Enough desire and enough effort and enough work and enough genius to be able to figure out how to make a successful commercial enterprise out of telling the truth.
00:24:44.000I mean, you know, Alex is what, being punished because of his success?
00:24:48.000I mean, I'm sure there's some jealousy out there, you know, but look, I admire that I have never seen anybody that works like Alex.
00:24:56.000I can't, you know, it's hard to be around Alex.
00:24:59.000emanates energy oh yeah and and he drains energy from other people i know that he drains it for me the guy is unstoppable and and i watched him when he got fired back in 98 from kjfk because he wouldn't shut up about clinton i mean that the people said hey you gotta stop talking about this stuff you need stop talking about the davidians alex wouldn't shut up he doesn't really care about the money i know he doesn't really care about the money i've known the guy for 10 years the money is a necessity to get done what he needs to get done which is communicate yeah
00:25:29.000it's it's a necessity to put out pictures that thousands if not millions of people see it Exactly!
00:25:35.000And to put out a four-hour radio program every day.
00:25:53.000Alright, we're going to take your calls through this segment and then we're going to have Officer Jack McLammon And then Russell Wood on property taxes.
00:26:03.000It's just like you can never, ever, ever do enough.
00:26:06.000Alright, let's just talk 9-11 for a second before we go back to calls because this is important.
00:26:13.000This is a lot of information that independent researchers are going to have to go through.
00:26:16.000We're talking about people in FEMA being interviewed, people in the CIA.
00:26:20.000Like you were saying, you were asking whether or not Robert Wright had been interviewed.
00:26:23.000There's an index of all of them and they're all available in PDF format.
00:26:26.000I got to scan it over really lightly last night.
00:26:30.000If you could look at your archive when we sent you that video of ours when I was talking to the Chairman of the 9-1-1 Commission back in 2006.
00:26:40.000A part that didn't get in your film was my questioning him about Robert Wright.
00:26:58.000And I said, Robert, I was tracking the money from the Islamic charities coming from Saudi Arabia into this country, and the FBI told him to shut up.
00:27:08.000And he said, well, it's national security.
00:27:11.000They always bring up that national security thing whenever something is inconvenient.
00:27:14.000It's the carte blanche answer for none of your goddamn business.
00:27:27.000The first one, you're going to be talking with your next guest about taxes and ordinances and things like that going on in cities.
00:27:34.000I just found out today on Madison, Wisconsin, there's new zoning rules going on to adapt to climate change as the city of Madison, Wisconsin, has ordinances to adapt to climate change.
00:28:08.000There is a businessandmedia.org has the Just the news article explaining some of this on there.
00:28:15.000But basically what they want to do, it sounds good on the surface.
00:28:19.000For instance, if you cut down a tree on your property, the ordinance will be you have to plant two more.
00:28:24.000And that sounds good, but sometimes, you know, you have to take a tree out because it's ruining the sewage lines that lead to the streets and things like that.
00:28:29.000And planting two more trees will just give you the same problem 20 years down the road.
00:28:39.000I remember the Planet Tree Foundation when I was a kid.
00:28:41.000They make everything out to be the best thing ever, and we're saving the planet, and there's a good feeling we're all going to recycle, blah, blah, blah.
00:28:49.000I remember when Clinton was president, he bulldozed a bunch of trees into the Grand Canyon so that the camera view would be better for his saving the environment.
00:28:58.000I don't even know if I'm against that.
00:28:59.000Alright, thank you so much for the call.
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00:29:17.000The closer it is to 80 to 1, you'd buy silver.
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00:33:15.000We are back with Bob Dacey Riding Shotgun and hopefully we've got Officer Jack McLam on the line.
00:33:20.000He does another great program here at GCN.
00:33:24.000And we've had a lot of people in an uproar over the gun issue today.
00:33:27.000So what better guest to have on other than Officer Jack McClam.
00:33:32.000One of the guys that really was on the front lines of educating not only the populace, but like you said, the police and military about the New World Order, global government, and why it's so important to keep our Second Amendment and have well-organized militias.
00:33:54.000Well, why don't you just give the listeners just a little summation of who you are and where they can get your information.
00:34:00.000Well, I'm in my 29th year as a volunteer educating our police and soldiers, and I have a website of one of our associations, Police and Military Against the New World Order.
00:34:17.000You find that very easily by going to www.
00:34:22.000Jack McLamb, and it's spelled M-C, capital L-A-M-B, just like a lamb, mclamb.org.
00:34:35.000And you'll find all of my qualifications there.
00:34:40.000I was the most highly decorated police officer in the history of Phoenix, Arizona.
00:34:44.000And after I became a constitutionalist and started serving the people instead of serving the city, I became the most fired officer in the history of Phoenix, Arizona.
00:34:55.000And so I started writing my police and military publication, Aid in a Bet, police military newsletter on constitutional issues.
00:35:04.000And that really ticked them off because they didn't want our police and military to even be thinking about the Constitution.
00:35:12.000They just want them to follow their corrupt orders and do what they're told to do.
00:35:18.000And I took issue with that because I saw firsthand how we were committing crimes.
00:35:26.000We police officers were committing crimes in supposedly to arrest the criminals.
00:35:34.000We would have to become criminals to arrest the criminals.
00:35:38.000And that offended me as a Christian police officer.
00:35:41.000And so after taking so much of that for about three years, I became the most highly decorated officer in Phoenix, Arizona history and then I began to change after I had a man about 85, 90 years old upset me because I didn't know the Constitution.
00:36:10.000Uh, speech I was giving out at Sun City, Arizona for senior citizens on how they could protect themselves from muggings and rapes and house break-ins and so forth.
00:36:24.000They were undergoing quite a serious attack as they'd cash their social security checks.
00:36:30.000They would be attacked and have it taken away from them.
00:36:34.000So they invited me out to speak and, uh, 85, 90-year-old man embarrassed me to tears almost there as he began to say, didn't you swear an oath to the Constitution of the United States?
00:37:35.000But after about two weeks of not sleeping at night, God was working on me, brother.
00:37:42.000And so finally, I sat up in the middle of the bed one night and realized that that little old 85, 90-year-old man was right.
00:37:49.000I should have known the Constitution and the Bill of Rights that I had sworn to protect.
00:37:56.000And so I went right down to the library, and the city library had trouble finding a Constitution and Bill of Rights for me.
00:38:04.000But they finally found it, and I took it home and studied it, and then joined a constitutional group in Mesa, Arizona, where I was quite shocked that when I got there at this meeting, I didn't know it was a tax protest meeting, and I was Everybody, you went around the room and told who you are and what you do for a living.
00:38:33.000So when they got to me, I told them I was a Finnish police officer and the position I served in and everybody really got quiet, you know, and that night when I left, they all walked me out to the car and waved to me, waved goodbye.
00:38:51.000Well, I continue to go to these constitutional training meetings for several weeks and then The leader told me, he says, the reason we walked you out of their car that night was so you wouldn't copy down our license plate numbers when you left.
00:39:08.000And so we became good friends after several months of me attending the meetings and really being earnestly seeking to learn about my constitutional oath.
00:39:19.000So when I came back to the police department, I started asking my sergeant and my captain And on up through the chain of command if they knew what was in the Constitution, because we were regularly violating our constitutional oath, and I didn't know that until I studied it, you know?
00:39:42.000And then I realized that we're violating our oath all the time.
00:39:47.000And of course, the officers didn't know what their oath pertained of, like me.
00:39:53.000So I started my newsletter, Constitutional Issues for Lawmen and Soldiers, and boy, that blew a hole in my career, because they liked soldiers and police not knowing about the Constitution, and so they could be told to do things that were criminal in a violation of their constitutional oath, and they'd do it, because they didn't know about it.
00:40:18.000So I was set out to change that, and so then I I was fired repeatedly for my constitutional work.
00:40:28.000But the neat thing about it was, I had a very liberal civil service board in the city of Phoenix.
00:40:35.000And when a police officer was fired, he could go before the civil service board, or she, and state their case.
00:40:43.000And in each case, when I would go in and tell them about my constitutional writings to my fellow police officers, they would return me to work with full back pay.
00:40:53.000So you can't fire a man for what he believes and what he says.
00:41:01.000And they, the very liberal civil service board said they didn't agree with anything I wrote in my constitutional publication, but they realized I had a right to write it to my fellow officers.
00:41:12.000So they returned me to work each time.
00:41:15.000And then my chief decided to try to get me killed.
00:41:19.000You know, because he couldn't get rid of me any other time.
00:41:22.000And he had state police, uh, federal police getting ahold of him, telling him to stop McGlam for writing this constitutional publication.
00:41:32.000So he decided on a plan, he put me out in the high crime area of South Phoenix, the war zone of South Phoenix, we call it, where I always did work, but they put me out on midnights and told all the, all the police officers, Twenty-five hundred of us that not to go.
00:41:52.000If McGilliam calls for a backup, don't go to aid him.
00:42:17.000In the war zone of South Phoenix and got injured numerous times.
00:42:21.000And finally, the civil city doctors realized that Ruben Ortega, the chief, was trying to get me killed because they kept patching me up.
00:42:30.000And so I arrested a drug smuggler, illegal alien out of Mexico one morning, Sunday morning, and we got in a big fight that lasted almost an hour.
00:42:42.000And, uh, uh, Nobody would come as a backup for me and so finally it ended up I was so injured with my neck and back and shoulder that all I could do was hold on to this guy's foot.
00:42:57.000I had an arm lock on his foot and he couldn't get away.
00:43:02.000So finally he was dragging me down the street and another officer drove by and saw me and he stopped and helped me.
00:43:10.000He wasn't supposed to but he did and we got him under arrest.
00:43:14.000And so when I went to the city doctors that time, they told me that they were not going to release me to go back to work.
00:43:23.000And so my very evil police chief, Ruben Ortega, fought my retirement, didn't want to give me any retirement pay at all, even though I was disabled.
00:43:36.000And so it was a battle, but I finally retired out with a small pension.
00:43:42.000I've been doing this work now for 29 years of trying to educate our police and soldiers to try to get them to realize that they have an oath.
00:43:54.000responsibility to the people, not to the city.
00:44:28.000This is kind of a down to earth question in terms of what a beat cop experiences.
00:44:33.000Because in Austin we're having some problems, constitutional problems with certain things.
00:44:37.000How does a beat cop overcome the defense of necessity where where his superiors say well guys we just gotta do this you know we have we have to do this particular procedure because we just have to just to save the children or keep the baby safe or whatever.
00:44:55.000How does a cop defend against that when what he's being told to do is illegal?
00:45:00.000Well luckily I got into law enforcement in 1976 and at that time we had a nightstick, a gun and some pepper spray.
00:45:22.000You know, we would get in a fist fight with somebody or a wrestling match with somebody and take them down.
00:45:27.000Or they'd take us down, one or the other.
00:45:30.000But we always had radio there to call for a backup, so usually we would win.
00:45:38.000But I did lose seven of my brother officers during the years I was on the force.
00:45:44.000They're in the war zone of South Phoenix.
00:45:46.000I'm talking about when the powers that be in the police department want their cops to do something which is constitutionally questionable.
00:45:55.000Like for example, here in Austin we're having this big dispute about what we call vampire cops.
00:46:01.000Where they pull somebody over for driving while intoxicated and when he uses his Fifth Amendment to not cooperate, they forcibly take blood from him.
00:46:12.000And do you have a position on that particular issue, the vampire cop versus the Fifth Amendment?
00:46:19.000Well, it is totally within the purview of the Constitution that a person say no to giving evidence To convict them, even blood.
00:46:33.000Yeah, but the cops nowadays say, yeah, but we just have to.
00:46:57.000That no more would they hire a Christian cop with a high moral value, with high moral values.
00:47:04.000They just wouldn't do it because I was not, and I convinced other Christian police officers and other police officers not to do anything criminal because it is not what we should do to get a person into jail.
00:47:23.000Many times, like one night, some officers stopped a patriot, and the patriot knew questions to ask and comments to say, and so he called for a backup, and I appeared on the scene with some other officers there, and he had a gun on the front seat that was out in the open, and so to punish him, the officers decided that they would say that his coat was over the gun,
00:47:53.000And booking for a felony for having a concealed weapon in the vehicle.
00:47:57.000And I said, no, you're not going to do that.
00:47:59.000If you do, I'm going to tell, you know, and so they didn't do it.
00:48:03.000But another thing we started doing in the city of Phoenix is that if we had somebody we didn't like, like a patriot, a Christian or a patriot that would ask us questions that we couldn't answer about the constitution or something, then we would fall down and scream.
00:48:25.000And so we would turn a misdemeanor stop into a felony against the person.
00:48:31.000And of course, he didn't push you, but it would become a felony.
00:48:36.000So I would reject that and tell the officers in my newsletter about, don't do this because you become a criminal just like the criminals we're trying to arrest, you know?
00:48:49.000Today, it's even more so that we commit crimes.
00:48:53.000We get on the witness stand and lie against somebody.
00:48:57.000And talk about procedural things, like for example, we have new technology now that wasn't available during the time the Constitution was written, and the Bill of Rights was written.
00:49:09.000The Fifth Amendment says you cannot search somebody's houses or papers or personal effects without reasonable cause, going to a judge and getting a warrant.
00:49:19.000And it describes the things to be seized and all that stuff.
00:49:25.000But now, I'm playing devil's advocate here now, now we have technology where the evidence of the crime is in your body, in terms of say, driving while intoxicated, and they want that evidence.
00:49:39.000And so, it's not in your house anymore, the evidence, it's in your body.
00:49:44.000And so, herefore, what's supposedly legal is they take you downtown to a medical facility if you refuse to cooperate and forcibly draw your blood.
00:49:55.000Well, that's totally unconstitutional, as you know, but they don't go by the Constitution anymore because it restricts them too much.
00:50:03.000We're going into a totalitarian state here in this country and they don't want to use the Constitution and don't want you to use the Constitution anymore.
00:50:13.000But that is totally unconstitutional for them to make.
00:50:16.000You should be able to decide if you want to give blood or if you want to do the breathalyzer test.
00:50:23.000And it used to be where you could make that decision.
00:50:26.000Now, they could fine you by taking your license away for a couple years and so forth.
00:50:32.000There wasn't much you could do about that.
00:50:33.000But you did have a right to say no to those kind of tests.
00:50:37.000But now, If they've thrown the Constitution out, they do whatever they want.
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00:52:00.000The enemy struck America on September 11th.
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00:54:06.000I'm Jason Burma, sitting in all week for Alex.
00:54:09.000Bob Dacey, Riding Shotgun, and we're with Jack McLam, who's really been at this almost 30 years.
00:54:14.000Folks, before the internet, there were people like Jack McLam that would actually, they'd make a newsletter.
00:54:19.000Isn't that, it's like, it's so bizarre to hear people that, but there were people before Alex Jones, there will be people after Alex Jones, and, you know, Jack is one of those guys that took the technology at the time to the next level.
00:54:30.000You know, as I described in the first segment in the beginning of the show, often when I go through a lot of these news clips and they're giving the anti-side to global government or the new world order, they're interviewing Jack McLam.
00:54:42.000So, it's just a great privilege to have you on the program and it's a great privilege to have you out here waking up even more military police and even just common listeners.
00:54:51.000Yeah, for those listeners out there that don't know, I'm a military veteran and had a top secret clearance during the Vietnam War.
00:55:00.000And so I do communicate very well with my fellow soldiers out there, too, about their constitutional oath and everything.
00:55:08.000Speaking of the constitutional oath, Jack, this is something that happened to me four years ago.
00:55:13.000I was interviewing here locally in Austin a sheriff's candidate, running for sheriff, county sheriff, and I asked him the question, I asked him if he would swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, and he said, absolutely.
00:55:25.000I asked him if the Bill of Rights was part of the Constitution, and he said, oh, of course.
00:55:29.000And then I asked him if the Fourth Amendment That's right.
00:55:42.000I said, well, if the feds came into town and they were having a little manpower shortage and they wanted your help to search my house without a warrant, would you do it?
00:55:56.000We're taught in the city departments that the feds are our superiors.
00:56:01.000And when they come to town, we wine and dine them and give them the keys to the city, which is absolutely absurd.
00:56:08.000We swore to protect the Constitution and the people, not the city or not the federal government.
00:56:14.000Well, what this guy told me in response to that, he said, I would search your house if the feds wanted me to because they would have reasonable cause.
00:56:22.000And I said, well, sir, if they had reasonable cause, they can get a warrant.
00:56:40.000I know, and it's kind of, it's pathetic, but the problem is, and you identify it, they swear an oath to protect and defend a document they haven't read and don't understand.
00:56:53.000I had to go out and take a year of training from a very Uh, good organization there in Mace, Arizona to learn all about my oath and all about the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and what I swore to.
00:57:09.000And we don't give them any training like that.
00:57:12.000We have them take the oath and then tell them to forget it.
00:57:15.000Well, that's what you're here for, right?
00:57:17.000I wonder how successful do you think you've been over all these years?
00:57:20.000How many cops and military personnel actually you think understand the Constitution, understand the Bill of Rights, understand the oath?
00:57:29.000Most of them are retired now, except the ones we're reaching today.
00:57:34.000We're reaching more today, but we've been at it 29 years as volunteers here, and a lot of them have retired out.
00:57:46.000Like the Vampire Killer 2000, we've got like 2,500,000 copies out there.
00:57:52.000And it's done an absolutely fantastic job.
00:57:58.000Uh, We get officers and soldiers that contact us, even retired ones who had read the Operation Vampire Killer 2000.
00:58:09.000And some were thrown out of office as police officers and soldiers because they read it, too.
00:58:16.000Anytime you're trying to hand out information about the Constitution and Bill of Rights being really the only authority in this country, you're gone after.
00:59:02.000No one is going to take care of your family in the final equation but you.
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01:00:27.000Don't listen to that ridiculous caller about an hour ago saying that we're, you know, taking all this money and doing God knows what with it.
01:01:02.000We're riding shotgun with Bob Dacey, of course, of TheSimpleTruthOnline.net.
01:01:08.000And we're about to welcome our guest, C. Russell Wood, who is a farmer from Missouri Arks and the President of Property Rights Congress.
01:01:16.000He and his organization have protested against the NAIS premise for IDs against hunting licenses on privately owned property along with other property rights issues.
01:01:37.000We're a group of property owners here in Missouri, basically.
01:01:43.000We look out for the interests of private property rights.
01:01:48.000We try to ward off the never-ending infringement by non-governmental organizations as well as governmental organizations.
01:01:59.000Our latest The battle here is dealing with the Missouri Department of Conservation.
01:02:05.000It was on the program about a month ago, and the situation then was that they were proposing several rate increases, but the thing that affected us most was their plan, their request.
01:02:24.000They currently permit no charge permits for hunting deer and turkey on your own property.
01:02:34.000If you own five acres, they wanted to extend that to so you had to own 80 acres, and that affected some 70,000 to 80,000 landowners that would have to then start buying permits to hunt on their own property. landowners that would have to then start buying permits to
01:02:53.000And they also wanted to have you register the legal description of your property into this property registry that would be for the Missouri Department of Conservation.
01:03:09.000They withdrew virtually all of their requests for change except the property registration part.
01:03:22.000That they are still hanging on to, but they did back off the implementation date.
01:03:30.000Four or six months, and they changed the rhetoric.
01:03:38.000Before the comment period, which ran back in December, before that they were telling us how it was going to be.
01:03:48.000After they received, now these are their numbers, I don't know how accurate they are, but the numbers they put out was that they received 17,000 Comment from 10,000 people in a 30-day period.
01:04:08.000Our organization, our Ozark Property Rights Congress Group, we submitted the letter to the Director of the Missouri Department of Conservation, explaining to them what we would do as property owners.
01:04:24.000That we would not buy their permits, that we would post our property and not allow hunting Um, with those who had permits and so forth, and that we weren't going to register our property.
01:04:38.000Alright, we'll be coming back right after this, Russell.
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01:08:19.000And Russell, I just want to see if I've gotten all the information correctly.
01:08:23.000First of all, they want you to get a permit to hunt on your own land.
01:08:28.000And it used to be that if you owned 10 acres, you didn't need this permit.
01:08:31.000But now you have to own up to 80 acres to be without this permit.
01:08:35.000Secondly, when you do get this permit, they also want you to give a record of all of your property.
01:08:41.000And then the third thing, I'm not quite sure if I got this right, but they're going to allow other people who have permits to hunt on your privately owned land?
01:09:26.000But when you get these permits, you sign them.
01:09:31.000And when you do this, as is with so many other things that you're asked to sign, it'll say, by signing this, you agree to, and blah, blah, blah.
01:09:42.000And therein, you give away, quite often, so many of your rights.
01:09:47.000And there's a big question as to what authority people such as conservation department employees have.
01:09:54.000But once you've signed these permits, if you'll read the fine print, you'll see that by signing this permit, you give us the authority to do so-and-so.
01:10:08.000Basically, you're turning over your authority to the state, whereas you're a sovereign individual and it's your property and you should be able to do whatever you like on it.
01:10:16.000You shouldn't have to beg for permission and then put yourself under the legislation of somebody else.
01:10:24.000I'm trying to understand, you know when they come up with stuff like this, they always have some ostensible reason why it's wonderful and good.
01:10:30.000What is their, what is, how do they try to sell this garbage?
01:10:33.000Okay, the reasons that they gave for this Was that it would raise more money for them, which they feel they are cash-strapped.
01:10:43.000The fact of the matter is, they are among the very richest of any wildlife management agency in the nation.
01:13:28.000You know, we're still governed by the consent of the governed.
01:13:32.000And if we give away these rights and these privileges, then of course there are always those agencies and their friends and the non-governmental agencies that want to control our land.
01:13:47.000They don't necessarily so much want to own it, They don't have to if they can control it.
01:13:53.000And let us be at the expense and responsibility for the land.
01:14:03.000But we don't have to give away these rights and privileges.
01:14:10.000And they cannot necessarily take them unless we do cooperate with them.
01:14:17.000And that's why they're asking for your consent on this form.
01:14:19.000And even if it's not a monetary value, like you said, they'd be willing to give permits for free to these landowners of, what is it, five acres or around there.
01:14:28.000But that's really just a... Yeah, they want to get you under control.
01:14:32.000And, you know, this is just another infringement on personal freedoms and liberty.
01:14:36.000And the state coming in to control your land is just...
01:14:40.000It's just deplorable, don't you think, Bob?
01:15:01.000This, for global warming, you have to have, you know, you count your cows, and you say, okay, how many cows you have, times how many times that they fart every day, times how many days a year, times how much methane, divided by the coefficient of seven, or whatever.
01:15:13.000Well, it certainly seems that the new administration is going to do this.
01:15:16.000Their climate czar, or global warming czar, is Carol M. Browner of the Sustainable World Society, which is calling for global governance, and of course, she's there to address the economy and climate change.
01:15:30.000Perhaps she's the one to promote the carbon tax?
01:15:44.000So aside from writing these people letters and calling their office, what can people do, Russell?
01:15:50.000Let me go back on what you were just saying about the NACE, National Animal Identification System.
01:15:56.000We've been very, very much involved with that.
01:16:00.000Consider that to be a gross infringement on private property rights.
01:16:06.000And we've, uh, we've really been battling that.
01:16:09.000And, you know, we got it, we got a law passed here in Missouri to prevent, to prevent mandatory premise registration.
01:16:20.000But of course, USDA is trying to, uh, circumvent that and keep coming up with ways to, uh,
01:16:28.000Get it in there anyway, but there's much suspicion here and I could not, I would not be able to document it, but there's much suspicion that this land registration with the Department of Conservation could very well be tied in to the USDA's premise registration for the NACE program.
01:16:56.000They enter into these agreements with various organizations, that if you'll go out here and get premise registrations for you, why we'll give you so much money.
01:17:08.000So, we don't know that to be a fact, but every time it's mentioned, that's the first thing that's brought up.
01:17:46.000We work quite closely with our county government.
01:17:54.000Every county has some sort of commission that runs their county.
01:17:59.000And these are very much overlooked entities that have a lot more power than, uh, you know, they've been in our area.
01:18:09.000They used to be thought of just as sort of road district, uh, to maintain the roads and that was about it.
01:18:16.000But by this handing out of our own tax money back to us through governmental agencies, it serves the power of so much of our local government.
01:18:30.000And by working with these people and trying to point out that it's not worth getting that money back from them because of the strings attached and all of the requirements that, you know, that money's never free.
01:18:47.000We send it to them and they send it back with conditions attached.
01:18:51.000We send it to them with no conditions except here spend it.
01:18:58.000We also work really well with our state legislators.
01:19:05.000And you can always find some representatives or senators that will listen.
01:19:12.000I think I heard one of our senators state it quite clearly when he was telling some of Fellow legislators, he said, when you have a group in your district that can call a meeting and four or five hundred people show up, he said, you better listen.
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01:26:17.000And they are, after they get over the, uh, you know, that's not usually the way they're greeted, but, um, they appreciate it because they want to know what the people want.
01:27:51.000All you gotta do is connect the dots and, uh, and I'm not talking about the dots everyone's already heard about.
01:27:55.000I'm not talking about Bush sitting in that school reading a book about a goat to those kids for seven and a half minutes after he was told to nose.
01:28:19.000Well, according to them, the end goal of their effort is American global domination.
01:28:23.000Full-spectrum dominance, they call it.
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01:28:41.000Number two, we have to make huge technological advances with our armed forces, that for some reason include the capability to fight wars from outer space.
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01:28:55.000Never mind the sick and dying first responders, 9-11's heroes, who can't even pay their light bill, let alone their medical bills, and a lot of whom are ending up homeless because of it.
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01:35:12.000When you're in high school, you do some crazy things.
01:35:14.000But now, apparently, they want to charge some of these kids with pictures that are quote-unquote child porn.
01:35:21.000No, these are their teenage girlfriends sending them that, but they just ruled the day before yesterday that 18-year-olds were allowed to have sex with their high school teachers.
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01:37:32.000Alright, we have a long tradition in this show of going to those who disagree with us first, so that's why we're going to go to Dan in Texas first.
01:38:53.000week if we can zoom in on that that's not Barack Obama on the new global elite in the middle of Moloch that's not that's not what that is those are not allies and that's not a beat.
01:39:12.000Hey Jason thanks for taking my call I'm a first time caller I've been listening for about a year.
01:39:18.000The reason I'm calling is because I'd like to bring people's attention to the larger picture I think a lot of times people get lost in the semantics of, oh, this person's a member of the CFR, the Trilateral Commission.
01:39:30.000If you understand history and you really look at it, you can see that what we're facing, the real enemy, is the British Empire.
01:39:38.000It's about sovereign nation states against the system of empire, and I think what we really need to do is focus on How to fight that system, not just individual people or members of whatever group.
01:39:48.000Well, I'll say this, there's definitely some truth to what you're saying in that the British oligarchy still controls a lot of the monetary system and a lot of the actual infrastructure in not only this country, but Europe and around the world.
01:40:00.000And in addition to that, guys, you know, you think about it, this thing about Barack Obama, if he was born in Kenya, That was British Zanzibar back when he was born there, so it very well could be that the Redcoats have taken the country back over again.
01:40:16.000Well, I think that this is an international crime syndicate anyway, and that's why, you know, in Fabled Enemies I go over the International Intelligence Organization.
01:40:24.000I think that we talk about the CFR and the Trilats, because those are outworked, think-type type organizations that people can relate to and that are in the mainstream media, but obviously... They were created by the British, huh?
01:40:58.000Hello, I'd like to thank you for taking my call and thank you guys for getting the truth facts out there for people.
01:41:06.000I think there's a lot of blind, ignorant people out there, but I think you're reaching some of them.
01:41:14.000And I just wanted to say when I was 18 years old, it was law that you had to go register for selective service, which I did on my 18th birthday proudly.
01:41:28.000The funny thing about it is, though, is I swore on a Bible and swore to God to uphold the Constitution no matter what the cost, and which I'll do, and I just wondered if you knew when Selective Service stopped or...
01:41:47.000No, I mean, they still, at 18, I also had to sign over my paper.
01:41:50.000In fact, they make it a kind of fun thing in high school for us.
01:41:54.000They're like, oh, and you can also register to vote while you do this.
01:41:57.000So you're registering for Selective Service and to vote.
01:41:59.000It puts you into a database in case that they ever do call up conscription or the draft so that you're immediately put into there and they don't have to just Hey Jason, how are you guys doing?
01:42:47.000Sustainable development is a plan for global control using land resource restrictions, social transformation through education and other programs to accomplish this end.
01:42:56.000The land use element of sustainable development calls for the implementation of two action plans designed to eliminate private property.
01:43:04.000The Wildlands Project and Smart Growth.
01:43:06.000What he's actually a victim of and the people in his state are the victim of is the rewilding or Wildlands Project because it is a compartmentalization and it is a very difficult task And what they're trying to do is trick those people into registering their land and doing the first half of the job for them.
01:43:29.000Later on, that land will be off-limits.
01:43:31.000I'm looking at the map of the Wildlands Project and in his state, about half of his state is red.
01:43:41.000The other part is yellow and that is the buffer zone for the off-limits zone.
01:43:46.000So I think maybe he needs to chase that rabbit for a little while and see what happens because If he brings this to the front and accuses them, as I have done here in Washington, then he will get some additional attention and they'll realize that they're even more awake.
01:44:01.000The second nail I'd like to strike is that moron that called you a little bit earlier and jumped your bones about being a profiteer.
01:44:08.000I am so sick and tired of these phony patriots and their socialist mentality.
01:44:15.000Most of them are stinky, smelly old men.
01:44:17.000Who sit around and blabber and talk everything to death, and when you come right down to it, if you get to know them, they're taking checks from the government for unemployment, for SSI, LNI, whatever, you know, they're usually on the dole, and that's why they have so much time to sit around and bump their gums.
01:44:36.000I'd like to say to this man a quote from the speech of John Galt in the book Atlas Shrugged.
01:44:42.000It says, that you demand your wages, but deny us our profits.
01:44:46.000May you be damned, and little do you know, you are!
01:45:14.000Maybe I get to guest like ten minutes a week.
01:45:16.000You know, when that caller said that about you, I'm thinking, you know, you guys, a few years ago when you did Loose Change, you were sitting out there passing out 3D DVDs by the gross, by the thousands, to everybody who would take one.
01:45:59.000Well, recently I had the opportunity to go up to our military command in Oregon and speak with a, um, individual about, Problems I'm having in the military.
01:46:11.000And during the course of events, I brought up the fact that I swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.
01:46:18.000And he also came up with something saying that, okay, well you also swore to obey the orders of the President of the United States.
01:46:26.000And I pointed out the fact to him that my oath says to obey the orders of the President in accordance with law.
01:46:33.000Well, I pointed out that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and anything that violates the Constitution, any orders, obviously unconstitutional.
01:47:12.000It's supposed to go to the Adjutant General of the State of Oregon.
01:47:15.000But the fact of the matter is that it's just... There's a lot of people in the military that are beginning to understand what exactly is going on, and I'm working within my own unit to wake people up.
01:47:25.000I've woken, I don't know, 10 or 15 people in my unit up to the truth of what's going on, but it's just so difficult with people like this lawyer who believe that the Constitution is not the law and that the President's infallible and can do whatever he wants.
01:47:40.000It's absolutely stunning, but that is the mentality.
01:47:43.000That's the mentality we've all grown up with, the commander-in-chief.
01:47:47.000You know, it's like I had McGovern on yesterday.
01:47:49.000And McGovern, for conscription, said, well, I hope that if another Hitler arose in the world, that the people of this country would want to have conscription so that we could rise up and fight that leader.
01:47:59.000And I thought to myself, well, in actuality, Hitler never really lost because the people behind him kept power.
01:48:05.000We relegated the top Nazis into our scientific programs through Project Paperclip, not just our NASA program which was born out of the Nazis, but our eugenics programs as well.
01:48:17.000So in reality, that threat has never left.
01:48:22.000And, you know, the Constitution and Bill of Rights is supposed to protect us from those threats, Bob.
01:48:27.000And the reason the lawyers, I hope I don't make any lawyers mad, I don't really care if I do or not, but the reason the lawyers say that, that you can just get around it, is because they don't understand the Constitution.
01:48:37.000They were taught in law school that Marbury v. Madison means that the only people who can understand the Constitution is the Supreme Court.
01:48:47.000And whatever they say goes, Constitution be darned.
01:48:51.000I mean, they think that the Supreme Court is the living end of everything.
01:48:54.000They're taught that from day one in law school, but they forgot to read the part in Article, I think it's 3, Section 2, which says that How you doing, Jason?
01:49:28.000I've been listening to you this week, and I'd like to hear you talk.
01:49:32.000they I listened to you earlier and you were speaking about going to the legislatures and the county commissioners.
01:49:41.000And I think you're just a little out of touch there.
01:49:43.000You know, this government as it is, is 110% corrupt from the meter made to the president.
01:49:49.000Well, when I was saying that, I was saying we have to run for those positions.
01:49:52.000Not so much go and beg for our rights from them, but when that guy was calling up and saying that civil disobedience wasn't the only way, we also had to run for these positions, I agreed.
01:50:08.000A reporter came over from Method and reported on it, and her report was dunked, and she went to Connecticut, and there was never nothing that could be done about it.
01:50:19.000These people are all in it together, and you don't get up to a position of power without becoming corrupt.
01:50:27.000And I don't know what the answer is to defeating his people, but I know it isn't going to the people who are oppressing you and trying to stop you.
01:50:41.000We'll be back for the final segment after this.
01:50:43.000That is prisonplanet.com, infowars.com.
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01:56:11.000Listen, I'm not saying beg for your rights from these people, but when they first ask them and then, or he's really not asking them, say what you want.
01:56:19.000And then when they say no, no, no, no, no, then run against them, take them, and then give all those other people that were in your situation only months or years ago their rights back.
01:56:29.000I mean, that's how we're going to take it over.
01:56:32.000It's people like you and your brother taking charge, running for office, and really trying to take back the Constitution and Bill of Rights, John.
01:56:40.000Jason, and you know, essentially at the end of the day, we have to stop Referring to things as privileges.
01:56:51.000There are certain things that could be legally perceived, even on an idealistic sense, you could say, okay, well, they're, they could be, you know, perceived as privileges, but these are all rights.
01:57:02.000They'll, they'll, they'll refer to as a license.
01:57:57.000The concept of rights as privileges comes straight out of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights at the UN.
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