On this episode of the Alex Jones Show, host Bob Dacey is joined by Alex Jones to discuss the gun control debate and the craziness that is the "Second Amendment" debate. Alex Jones has been a long time supporter of the right to bear arms and the Second Amendment. He has been on the radio and TV show "A Simple Truth" and is a regular guest host on "The Alex Show" on Channel 10 in Austin, Texas.
00:00:41.000I met Alex about, oh gosh, maybe 10 years ago, 11 years ago now.
00:00:46.000And it's kind of funny, the thing that woke me up about the New World Order and all that was one of the hot topic issues right now.
00:00:55.000Years ago I was just sitting at home watching television and I was bored and I started to do the old channel surfing thing and up pops this young punk named Alex Jones and he's talking about the United Nations and the National Park System and I thought he was a raving lunatic.
00:01:12.000However, he shifted gears and started talking about the true meaning of the Second Amendment.
00:01:18.000And so I was laughing at him and then I said, okay, I got to hear what he says about this.
00:01:56.000So this got me in a quandary about why I could be such an idiot on the UN and completely write about the Second Amendment.
00:02:04.000So I checked into what he had to say and sure enough he was right about the other thing too.
00:02:10.000So that's what kind of got me started in this field.
00:02:14.000I have a Years ago, I stumbled into hosting a TV show called A Simple Truth and that show is in Austin on Channel 10. It's at 6 o'clock on Monday nights if you're in the Austin area on Time Warner Cable.
00:02:28.000If you're not in the Austin area, you can pick up the recordings of the show on a website that another volunteer put up.
00:03:29.000It's always for the children, you know.
00:03:31.000It's always the so-and-so and such-and-such bill in order to save the children and make everyone's life happy and help the environment, comma, And for other purposes.
00:03:41.000That's the thing you've got to worry about, is the and for other purposes.
00:03:46.000And so, I want to give you kind of a history of some of the things these nutballs have proposed in the past.
00:03:53.000You know, I mean, one thing you can, I guess, positively say about Republicans is that most of them are not openly anti-gun.
00:04:05.000You know, most of your bubbas that are Republicans Or pro-Second Amendment, pro-individual right to keep and bear arms.
00:04:14.000And your classic Democrat isn't, but he wishes he was.
00:04:20.000But back when, before the Republicans held sway in the House and Senate, I mean, you should see some of the stuff that these nutcases have introduced into legislation.
00:04:34.000They're trying to get bills passed in the United States Congress And when we get back from the break, I'm going to take you to a trip down memory lane here from one of the most egregious things they ever tried to pull.
00:04:46.000This was a Senator Jack Reed, a Democrat from Rhode Island.
00:04:51.000So we'll be right back after the break.
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00:08:01.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
00:08:08.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:14.000Okay, once again, this is Bob Dacey substituting for Alex Jones today, and just so you'll know what we're planning on doing today before I get back into my gun thing.
00:08:24.000We're planning on having Max Keiser on in the next hour.
00:08:31.000And then after that, Bob Chapman, who is the international forecaster, another economics guy.
00:08:37.000And from two to three, we are supposed to have Kurt Nemo live in studio riding shotgun with yours truly.
00:08:44.000And then actually, I think we're going to be playing a video in the last part of the show by, uh, My hip-hop artist by the name of KRS-One, something that they put together.
00:08:54.000So you want to stay tuned for that, and that way maybe I'll be able to survive this four hours, you know?
00:09:01.000Okay, now let's get back to this gun thing.
00:09:04.000There's nothing new about the craziness of the legislation that these globalists and control freaks want to get done.
00:09:14.000I have an article written, this was back in 2000, March 16, 2000, a fellow by the name of Stephan Archer writes this story.
00:09:24.000A senator proposes that the IRS register and tax your guns.
00:09:29.000If Senator Jack Reed, Democrat of Rhode Island, gets his way, the Internal Revenue Service will not only be the nation's tax collector, but its gun registrar.
00:09:39.000Reed's new bill, entitled the Handgun Safety and Registration Act of 2000, would quote, amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to require the registration of handguns, end quote.
00:09:55.000Handgun owners would also be forced to pay a $50 tax on all handguns they own.
00:10:01.000A $50 tax on the transfer of ownership of a handgun would also be implemented.
00:10:08.000Desmond Riley, spokesperson for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, you know, one of these gun-grabbing control freaks, says this.
00:10:16.000This is a regulation, and I think Americans tend to embrace regulation.
00:10:20.000It means people's lives will be saved, end quote, Riley said.
00:10:26.000You know, I mean, this is not, I don't think this is the current thing, but this shows you the mindset of these nutballs.
00:10:33.000I mean, I mean, you're sitting there figuring this out.
00:10:36.000You know, you're out there and you're thinking, well, let's see.
00:10:39.000What entity of the federal government scares the bejesus out of everybody more than any other entity?
00:10:45.000I think the answer to that question is the Internal Revenue Service.
00:10:51.000Well, wouldn't it be a good idea to have a law passed to require The American people to register their evil guns with the Internal Revenue Service.
00:11:02.000Maybe that would scare them into doing it, right?
00:11:05.000I mean, if your argument by this guy back then, Desmond Riley, is that, oh, it's just a regulation and Americans love to follow regulations, you know, if that's true, then I think they should probably pass regulations against the possession of knives and buckets and swimming pools and high school football.
00:11:30.000Anyway, that bill, the reason I bring it up is because it illustrates the mindset of a bunch of nutballs.
00:11:39.000And that's what anti-gun people are, is nutballs.
00:11:44.000I have the bill itself here in front of me, and just looking at some of this transfer tax imposed on handguns, tax on making firearms, Imposed on handguns.
00:11:57.000You know, make them so expensive no one can afford them.
00:11:59.000Transition rule for non-registered handguns.
00:12:03.000You have to, you know, treatment of registration as a transfer.
00:12:08.000You see, can't you just see yourself, you know, sometime in the future, if the nutballs ever get something like this passed, you'd have your new 1040 form.
00:12:43.000The Secretary of the Treasury shall make available such a registration and fingerprint forms as may be required by the public for compliance for such requirements oh my goodness you know again these people are a bunch of nuts and that's all that's all there is to it okay now let's see what else we got here the other day Alan Corwin who is the author of the gun laws books you know I know I sold one of them in my store the hardware
00:13:13.000store here in Austin Texas it's the Texas gun owners guide well he publishes gun owners guides for All the various states.
00:13:21.000And he's put out this letter to send to everybody you know.
00:13:35.000They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers, and statutes in an all-out effort to restrict we the people.
00:13:44.000They've made little mention of criminals.
00:13:47.000Now, more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical.
00:13:52.000Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble, and more.
00:14:02.000In addition to the Second Amendment, the Democrats' current gun ban list proposal, the final list will be worse, is as follows.
00:14:11.000Now, I'm not going to go through every one of these things, these guns that they want to ban.
00:14:15.000Now that they got the House, the Senate, and this globalist puppet, lackey Obama, as the President.
00:15:16.000Which are actually, most of these ugly guns are, like the AK for example, the round that they shoot is less powerful than most hunting rifles.
00:15:26.000But the hunting rifles look more civilian looking.
00:15:30.000And the AKs look very, very vicious because commies like to carry them.
00:15:34.000So you can't have any AK-type guns in the United States.
00:16:50.000Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add, quote, Any semi-automatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General, end quote.
00:17:09.000Note that Obama's pick for this office, Eric Holder, confirmation hearing set for January the 15th, whatever, wrote a brief in the Heller case, supporting position that you have no right to have a working firearm In your home.
00:17:49.000In making this determination, the bill says, quote, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use in the United States by the military or any federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.
00:18:17.000What? I think that was double-speak and double-talk.
00:18:21.000So in other words, if a rifle is used in a sporting event or a firearm, but the Attorney General determines that it's really not suitable for use in that sport, then he can ban it too.
00:18:54.000The most common guns in these events were 1911s, the old 45s, various versions of them, and Glocks.
00:19:03.000And of course, most police in the United States carry Glocks.
00:19:06.000So according to this, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by Law enforcement is not particularly suitable for sporting.
00:19:18.000So what they'd be telling me is that gun that you shoot, your Glock that you shoot in your pistol competition, which is a sport, is not suitable for the sport that you shoot it in.
00:19:43.000They used to go after the Second Amendment under the table, and now they're heading at it full bore.
00:19:50.000So when we get back, we'll continue with this.
00:19:52.000This is Bob Dacey for Alex Jones on the Alex Jones Show GCN Radio Network.
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00:24:41.000It is the creed of slaves." Yeah, you know, we just got to get rid of the guns because we have to, because they're there and you can't have them and they're dangerous and you need to trust the government.
00:24:54.000You know, I mean, so, you know, but no, that's not the real case.
00:25:54.000And anybody that's out there listening that's in the military or law enforcement, you know that'll realize that's true.
00:26:00.000You know, you're supposed to protect and defend the Constitution, not whatever puppets up there in the White House right now who's violating the Constitution.
00:26:08.000Your job, your sacred duty, your sacred honor is to defend the Constitution of the United States of America, not the bozo giving you orders to do the exact opposite.
00:26:33.000The current Sheriff of Travis County, Greg Hamilton, when he was running for Sheriff, I got a chance to ask him a question live on TV when he was a candidate.
00:26:47.000And just the basic deal was I asked him if he was going to swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution if he became Travis County Sheriff.
00:27:03.000And I said, well, do you agree that the Fourth Amendment, the one about the unreasonable search and seizure and having to get a warrant and going before a judge and doing your homework, you know, you gotta say what's gonna be seized and what's gonna be searched and all that, do you agree with that?
00:27:20.000And then I ask him, well, if the feds come into town and they want your help to search my house, Without a warrant, are you going to help them?
00:27:33.000Every, all you cops out there listening, all you police out there, whatever.
00:27:36.000The problem is, these, they're sitting there swearing an oath to defend, protect and defend a document that they've never read and they don't understand.
00:28:28.000Quote, On every question of construction of the Constitution, let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one Yeah, just read it.
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00:33:50.000A fiery firebrand orator and I think that you know I don't want to you know I don't want to stroke Alex Jones's ego too much because he probably doesn't need that but Alex Jones is a modern-day Patrick Henry and so Patrick Henry was you know he was he was the guy that whipped them all up and that's what Alex does now.
00:34:11.000Here's another quote from Patrick Henry in regard to the Second Amendment or the right to keep and bear arms.
00:34:20.000Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense?" Well, apparently not, Mr. Henry.
00:34:32.000Apparently, you know, we need to be giving them all up to our glorious, imperious, new imperious leader, Barack Obama, the second coming of Christ.
00:34:41.000And, you know, he'll be able to beat our swords into plowshares and then we can plow for him.
00:34:50.000Yeah, yeah, I have a I have a I want to read a quote from a letter that a particular gun Distributor sent to me.
00:35:00.000I'm gonna say who they are because it didn't really matter.
00:35:02.000This is a quote from Barack Hussein the usurper Obama Back when he was running for president.
00:35:13.000This was at a violence Policy Center fundraiser in 2000 this is Your current so-called titular puppet President of the United States.
00:35:27.000Quote, My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office.
00:35:34.000Within 90 days, we will go back after kitchen table dealers and work to end the gun show and internet sales loopholes.
00:35:43.000In the first year, I intend to work with Congress on a national no-carry law One gun a month purchase limits and bans on all semi-automatic guns.
00:35:57.000And so then the author of this letter says, Mr. Obama, will you really spend trillions on bailouts to create and protect jobs while destroying millions of American jobs in the firearms, hunting, gunsmithing, sporting, reloading, services, supplies, distribution, retail, and manufacturing business?
00:36:17.000apparently yes wow so you're talking about here here you go he wants to he wants to uh...
00:36:26.000get rid of this gun show loophole you know i remember years ago in two thousand one i'll tell you a little personal story here in two thousand one in march here in texas they had this deal where they were gonna pass a bill to in the gun show loophole now what the gun show loophole is is where you can buy Or sell a gun at a gun show if you're not a dealer to another individual without them having to go through a background check.
00:36:54.000The bill basically proposed that what you could legally do in the parking lot outside the building, you couldn't legally do inside the building.
00:37:38.000So I said I was against the gun show loophole bill.
00:37:40.000So what they did was, even though our side outnumbered the gun grabbers by about 20 to 1, I'd say, they put the gun grabbers on top of the stack and the pro-Second Amendment people on the bottom of the stack to make it look like everybody was for the bill.
00:37:58.000And the other thing I remember is you had two of these so-called gang members from Houston came up to quote-unquote testify.
00:38:10.000I'm sitting there a few feet away from it, and they're sitting there just spewing lies to this committee, this house committee at the state capitol.
00:38:20.000One of the guys says, yeah man, we go into gun shows, man, we bring cash, we go in there, we bring out sacks of guns at wholesale prices, no questions asked.
00:38:31.000You know, I'm listening to these lies, and I just can't believe it.
00:38:35.000And then, Shortly thereafter, Alex comes running into the room, taps me on the shoulder, and says, Bob, get your camera out here right now, there's something going on in the hall.
00:38:47.000And so, I got up, went out there, and the head of this anti-gun group in Houston, this old man by the name of Dave Smith, was paying off these guys that were lying to the committee with cash money right outside the committee room.
00:39:03.000Literally. And somebody else caught some of it on videotape.
00:39:06.000And Alex went over there and talked to the guys, you know, and one of them said, oh, this cash, oh, this is just a stipend for volunteering.
00:39:19.000I mean, what a, I mean, these people, look, the anti-gunners are, they operate a lot like the communists do.
00:40:13.000If it just saves one child, please, please.
00:40:16.000You know, these people, these shrill fools.
00:40:20.000Well, anyway, um, a, someone, I don't remember who it was, a man, I think it was a man and a woman, decided to find the Million Mom March headquarters back then.
00:40:30.000And so they noticed it was, um, They saw the address on the website was at some place in San Francisco.
00:40:36.000So they went to the address and they couldn't find it.
00:40:38.000Turns out the address was a hospital, a city-owned hospital.
00:40:42.000They were trying to find this place and they noticed that the elevator wouldn't stop on one of the floors.
00:40:50.000They hitched a ride with the delivery man who knew how to stop the elevator at this particular floor.
00:40:55.000And lo and behold, there's the Million Mom March National Headquarters.
00:41:00.000Occupying, you know, maybe five, six thousand square feet on a city-owned, government-owned building, a political advocacy group, rent-free.
00:41:27.000And, you know, they're all a bunch of totalitarian control freaks.
00:41:31.000You know, which brings me a little bit to this current thing, HR 45, to provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a records of sale system for those firearms and for other purposes.
00:41:50.000Oh, you gotta watch out when they say it's for other purposes, too.
00:41:53.000This is a summary I'm looking from the Thomas Government Document Locator.
00:41:59.000Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record Act of 2009 amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this act or a state system certified under this act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked.
00:42:20.000I'm talking about a federal record of sale system.
00:42:28.000And it all, it's kind of funny, you think that after the so-called Heller decision, which took place last year, where the Supreme Court finally came out and theoretically told you that there is an individual right to keep and bear arms, you would think that they'd get the message, but they don't.
00:42:50.000And, you know, when the Heller decision came about, I was kind of...
00:42:55.000I read the whole thing, and there's a lot of good stuff in there, and there's a lot of bad stuff in there.
00:43:00.000And, of course, the bad stuff always overrides the good.
00:43:04.000Back then, William Norman Grigg, who was formerly a senior editor of the New American Magazine, penned an article called the Heller Misdirection.
00:43:16.000In other words, the decision sounded good for the Second Amendment.
00:43:22.000It was advertised as good for the Second Amendment.
00:43:25.000The mainstream press begrudgingly said it was good for the Second Amendment.
00:43:31.000But if you looked at the fine print, well, wait just a minute.
00:43:34.000So I'm going to read some of this article by William Norman Grigg.
00:43:40.000Like the inhabitants of other formerly free societies, Americans are content to define freedom in terms of those liberties we are permitted to exercise.
00:43:53.000Yesterday's Supreme Court ruling in District of Columbia v.
00:43:57.000Heller is perfectly in harmony with this self-defeating concept of freedom.
00:44:03.000Scalia, who was the guy who wrote the main opinion, Scalia allows that the Second Amendment acknowledges and protects an individual right to armed self-defense.
00:44:14.000He then explicitly limits the extent to which that right can be exercised, thereby redefining it as a state-conferred privilege.
00:44:25.000We can't really expect a statist creature like Antonin Scalia to embrace the view that the right to keep and bear arms includes the right of citizens, acting either individually or collectively, to kill agents of the state when such action is necessarily and morally justified.
00:44:43.000Any other view of the Second Amendment is worse than useless.
00:44:50.000This is certainly true of the view that emerges in Scalia's Heller opinion.
00:44:56.000He asserts, quote, like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.
00:45:02.000It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever for whatever purpose.
00:45:09.000Miller's holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those in common use at the time and supports the historical tradition of prohibiting and carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
00:45:23.000We're talking about, okay, so the government's going to say, well, that weapon of yours is too dangerous, or that weapon of yours is very unusual, and you can't carry that one.
00:45:36.000When a government grants a liberty and then restricts the manner in which it can be used, the result is not a right, but a limited conditional license.
00:45:49.000Scalia's passage cited above will inevitably be seen as a license from the court for legislative bodies to enact or fortify laws against dangerous and unusual weapons, such as the scary-looking guns ritually denounced as assault weapons, for example, and other even more troubling portions of his opinion will abet further restrictions on the purposes for which firearms can be used.
00:46:16.000Wow, you'd think Mr. William Norman Gregg must know something about it.
00:46:20.000He'd have a crystal ball or something here because that's exactly what they're doing now.
00:46:26.000Here you have the Democrats in control of the House, the Democrats in control of the Senate, New World Order flunky in control of the White House.
00:47:01.000You know, you got to understand the history of what's been going on in order to understand what's going on now.
00:47:07.000I have an article in front of me by Aaron Zellman of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, the GCA 68, that stands for Gun Control Act of 68, what your politician never told you.
00:47:26.000Why would a U.S. Senator in 1968 be vitally interested in the structure and contents of a Nazi law of 1938?
00:47:34.000We cannot ask the late Senator Thomas J. Dodd personally, but we can look at the facts.
00:47:40.000Thomas Dodd served as a senior member of the team of U.S. prosecutors at the Nuremberg trials of the Nazi war criminals in 1945 to 46. In that position, Dodd had access and doubtless reviewed Nazi laws.
00:47:56.000Something about the Nazi laws must have intrigued Dodd.
00:47:59.000As a senator from Connecticut, Dodd chaired the committee hearings on bills, quote, to require the registration of firearms, end quote, and to build a national firearms owner database.
00:48:10.000Many of the Nazi Germany's social and engineering schemes, including its civilian disarming and murdering programs, rested on a national citizen registration and tracking.
00:48:21.000Is this what Senator Dodd had learned from the Nazis?
00:48:27.000As it happened, Senator Dodd owned personally a copy of the Nazi weapons law of 1938.
00:48:33.000Before the Gun Control Act of 1968 was enacted, Senator Dodd asked the Library of Congress To translate Dodd's own copy of that law.
00:49:17.000Translate this thing into English, and we'll use that as the basis for the Gun Control Act of 68. And that's exactly what they did.
00:49:25.000So, you know, all you people out there that have some bizarre notion that if you just take the guns away from all of the innocent people and all the peaceful citizens, that all of a sudden everything's going to be rosy and the government's going to have the guns and everything's going to be wonderful.
00:49:40.000You people need to, like, you know, get a life or something or maybe check a book out on reality because that's not the reality.
00:49:49.000The reality is that, you know, it's the golden rule, you know.
00:49:57.000And when the people of the United States have the guns, we're in charge.
00:50:02.000When the government, in whatever flavor or entity you want to say, when they've got the guns and we don't, we are slobbering slaves.
00:50:12.000I don't understand how some people can't see this.
00:50:17.000I know they get in their little box and they see some accident with a gun and they say, If it just saves one child, if it just saves one child, we need to get rid of all of them.
00:50:30.000And again, I'm sorry, that's not the big picture.
00:50:34.000The big picture is when they get rid of your guns, they get rid of you!
00:50:42.000Alright. We'll be back in a few minutes.
00:50:45.000We're going to catch up on more of this stuff.
00:50:47.000This is Bob Dacey for Alex Jones on GCN Radio Network.
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00:57:10.000Okay, now I was talking about the fact that the Gun Control Act of 1968 was derived from the Nazi gun laws of 1938.
00:57:21.000I'm going to read to you the letter The cover letter from the Library of Congress that was sent to Thomas Dodd when they returned his Nazi gun control act to him translated into English.
00:57:36.000Library of Congress, Washington, D.C., July 12, 1968.
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01:00:54.000Number one, any law that is repugnant to the Constitution is null and void.
01:01:00.000Therefore, any of these gun control things that tell you to turn in your guns or whatever they're going to concoct, well, just ignore them because, you know, when you turn in your guns, you've had it.
01:01:36.000Also, too, the other thing that's extremely important, and I mean this is so important, military and police out there, Jack McClam always says that when tyranny comes, it comes wearing a uniform.
01:02:05.000You know, if some bozo up in some ivory tower tells you to go out and collect firearms in the neighborhood like a trick-or-treater, just don't do it.
01:02:15.000Or fake like you're doing it and come back empty.
01:04:05.000The problem is the Supreme Court decision, U.S. v.
01:04:09.000Miller, kind of makes that kind of hard to do because the Miller decision said that the constitutionally protected guns are the ones that are of the type that the military uses and of the type in common use at the time.
01:04:21.000And there's another little inconvenient fact that comes up, and that is that back during the time of the Revolutionary War, The civilians actually had better guns than the military.
01:04:34.000The military had those Brown Best muskets, smoothbore, and the civilians, a lot of them had rifles.
01:04:53.000Back after the break, Bob Daisy for Alex Jones.
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01:08:25.000And then later on they had another article in the local paper that said, oh, they passed an $819 billion bailout, and looks like this particular bailout is more flavored to giving stuff away to not the bankers.
01:08:39.000It's like they're going to give away school district stuff, modernization, infrastructure, bribes to the individual people, tuition tax credits and stuff.
01:08:51.000This is getting a little over my head.
01:08:54.000So what we're going to do, we're going to bring on Max Kaiser, who is one of these financial guru guys.
01:10:15.000And conspiracy, yeah, there's definitely conspiracy out there.
01:10:18.000But theorist, no, it's not a theory, it's a fact.
01:10:22.000But I appreciate the compliment there, but once again, tell people about what you do, because that's what you're supposed to do when you introduce a guest.
01:11:18.000We talked about a new Great Depression coming based on the SEC's failure and the re-emergence of rigged markets that we saw back in the late 20s and 30s.
01:11:33.000I created something called the Hollywood Stock Exchange.
01:11:36.000I basically created the idea of trading box offers futures contracts.
01:11:40.000Which now there's a company called Cantor Exchange, which is part of Cantor Fitzgerald.
01:11:45.000They bought the Hollywood Stock Exchange.
01:11:47.000They're now launching box office features contracts.
01:11:50.000So I kind of invented that whole concept.
01:11:52.000Before that, I was a stockbroker on Wall Street.
01:11:56.000And I guess what I'm kind of specializing in these days is looking at the technology that runs markets, picking up on when markets are manipulated.
01:12:08.000When markets, you can make predictions on which way prices are going if you kind of understand how markets are being manipulated.
01:12:16.000And I just did an interview with Joseph Stiglitz on his way to Davos a couple of days ago.
01:12:21.000He was talking about the fact that all markets are, in fact, manipulated.
01:12:25.000And ever since markets got off, in the U.S., in 1971, the U.S. tied the last The last tie that they had with the gold standard, and we went on to a purely fiat currency system, meaning that none of the currencies had any intrinsic value.
01:12:43.000They weren't convertible into something like gold.
01:12:46.000The currency was then just a piece of paper that was backed by the full faith and credit of the government.
01:12:55.000economy has been based on these fiat currencies, which are basically, to put it in economic terms, fungible.
01:13:05.000In other words, you can play a lot of games with fiat currencies, and we've seen since that time The savings and loan crisis, the 1987 stock market crash, long-term capital management explosion, the dot-com bust, and then more recently the real estate bust, and now the Wall Street banking bust.
01:13:29.000I'm trying to think of an intelligent question to ask you, because you're in a field that's like way beyond my meager small businessman abilities, but I'm listening to what you say, and I'm thinking, well, if the markets are rigged, if they're controlled, if they're manipulated all the time, how does the little guy make an honest buck trying to invest when he's playing against a stacked deck that he's got no control over?
01:13:58.000You know, you have to know, you know, you sit down at a poker table, you have to know who you're playing with.
01:14:04.000You know, and the old saying is, if you don't know who the chump is, you're the chump.
01:14:08.000So there's, you know, there's ways to, there's ways to invest, there's ways to make money, but I think you need to go in there with your head held high and you have to go in there understanding that the markets are inherently flawed and that there are, they're grossly rigged.
01:14:24.000Uh, and they've gotten to a level just before, let's say 18 months ago, when this current crisis started, to extremes, historical streams of market rigging.
01:14:35.000And just to give you an idea, I mean, so yeah, the two questions you're asking, you're saying, well, how does a small businessman make money or survive in this type of market?
01:14:45.000I think that currently, you have to be defensive, you know, put the defense on the field, take the offense off, put the defense on.
01:14:53.000And the way you put the defense on the field is by getting liquid, paying down all your debts, no credit card debts, and starting to accumulate some precious metals.
01:15:04.000And there's different ways to accumulate precious metals.
01:15:07.000You can own the gold bullion outright.
01:15:10.000I know there's links to different things on MaxKaiser.com.
01:15:13.000We try to link to different ways you can own gold bullion, silver bullion, which is a purely defensive measure.
01:15:20.000It might not make you necessarily rich, but At least your purchasing power for your gold and silver during the period that we're in now is maintained.
01:15:32.000So that's, as I said, that's the idea.
01:15:38.000Even the smartest guys on Wall Street, Bob, as we've seen, some of the smartest people so-called on Wall Street have gotten absolutely hammered in the last couple of years because the game has gotten so rigged and so outrageous That even experienced people in the markets are getting completely blown up.
01:16:19.000Yeah, you call up your broker and say, "Oh, I'm going to buy gold." Well, buy me some of this, and you've got an entry on a piece of paper that says you bought it.
01:16:29.000And when I was on Alex's show back in November, okay, just to full disclosure here, I mentioned that the paper market in December on the COMEX, that there was looking like there could be a run on the COMEX, and we would see a market failure.
01:16:47.000Based on what I, at that time, thought was going to be physical demand from the big, big players, particularly in Canada, and didn't materialize.
01:16:57.000The price of gold has gone up, mind you.
01:16:59.000So nobody, if they had followed that idea and bought gold, they would be making a very handsome rate of return.
01:17:07.000So I don't feel as though that was the wrong thing to say in terms of maintaining a good portfolio.
01:17:18.000In other words, could it still happen?
01:17:22.000The COMEX is a market that, like also the NYMEX, which is the sister market, the paper market in New York, where they trade oil, oil futures.
01:17:31.000These markets, like all markets, are really captured by, they're captured markets by the biggest banks and the regulators who are in bed with these guys, because it's a way for policy, economic policy is being conducted by establishing prices that will, in effect, make the policies happen.
01:17:53.000So it's a complete reversal of what you'd expect, where somebody would make a policy and then you'd see how the prices react.
01:18:00.000Instead, what we're seeing is that the people who make policies first pick a price that they want to see, they manipulate the markets to that price, and then they know that the policies will, and the effects will happen.
01:18:44.000is called goldmoney.com, who I know, James Turk, very well.
01:18:48.000Again, full disclosure, I know James Turk, and I on occasion do business with them.
01:19:20.000Yeah. Another thing, I was kind of doing a little bit of research on you last night because I didn't want to be a complete idiot while I'm talking to you.
01:19:28.000You know, had to do a little bit of homework.
01:19:30.000I noticed that back, I guess it was in the middle of last year, you had been talking about the direction of the price of oil.
01:19:38.000And when we get back from the break, I want to ask my question having to do with the manipulation of the oil market.
01:19:45.000So once again, when we get back from the break, this is Bob Dacey substituting for Alex Jones on the Alex Jones Show, GCN Radio Network, back in a few.
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01:21:59.000Hello Ted Anderson listeners of the network are familiar with the Federal Reserve note and understand the risks of deficit spending therefore with Catastrophic events it comes as no surprise that some banks have currently placed limits on the amount of cash Depositors can remove from their accounts a fractional reserve system means only a small portion of your deposit is held in reserve for immediate withdrawal Deficit spending will skyrocket through FDIC if the government is forced to ensure deposits during a bank run followed by a depressed economy a current effort is underway by the Fed along with I think?
01:24:38.000Back then, most people, back in say July or whatever of last year, were saying, OK, oil's about $140 a barrel, and it's probably going to go to $175 or even $200.
01:24:53.000Interesting to note that Lindsey Williams made an announcement that he'd been talking to his elitist buddies in the oil business and they said they were fixing to manipulate the price of oil down to around $50 within the year and it just didn't make any sense that that would happen and yet that's exactly what happened.
01:25:17.000Do you, Mr. Kaiser, do you agree that just a complete Well, I'm familiar with Lindsey Williams' call and he made a good call, but I kind of disagree with some of his work because Mr. Williams is not a believer at all in this theory of peak oil or this idea of peak oil.
01:25:48.000I've done a lot of work on peak oil, and I'm in the camp that supports the idea of peak oil.
01:25:53.000But certainly, over the past six months, Lindsey Williams' call has been prescient and looks good.
01:26:02.000Now, let's talk about oil price manipulation for a second, because here we do have common ground.
01:26:10.000As I said before, you've got the My next which is the sister futures trading floor to the Comex in New York.
01:26:22.000It's probably the biggest Exchange where oil is traded.
01:26:25.000There's a huge incentive and you've got a kind of look at you know That old song the hip bones connected to the to the leg bone the leg bones connected to the foot bone.
01:26:37.000Well the oil market is connected to the dollar market and the dollar markets connected to the gold market and if you understand that The one thing that the banking elite does not want, it's a higher gold price, then they fight like the dickens to keep the gold price as cheap as it possibly can.
01:26:53.000And they do that by employing such things as naked short selling on these various exchanges, which means selling stuff that doesn't even exist.
01:27:02.000So it's even beyond the normal short selling, which is just selling stuff that you hope to buy back later.
01:27:10.000They're selling stuff that doesn't even exist.
01:27:15.000Are you saying they dropped the gold price in order to, I mean, dropped the oil price in order to suppress the gold price and it didn't work?
01:27:22.000I'm saying you dropped the gold price, basically, to give support to the dollar.
01:27:27.000And as you get support to the dollar, there was this huge outflow out of the trade, the anti-dollar trade.
01:27:35.000There was this huge anti-dollar trade at that time, which included going long commodities like oil and gold.
01:27:42.000The dollar was trading at historic lows.
01:27:47.000Oil, as you pointed out, was in the $140, $147.
01:27:50.000And so this was giving a tremendous fright to especially the banking community because people are starting to talk about maybe getting rid of the dollar as the world reserve currency.
01:28:02.000And having the dollar as the world reserve currency gives the U.S. banks the privilege of printing dollars for the world And for every dollar they print, they get a commission, effectively.
01:28:18.000You know, the world runs on dollars at the moment.
01:28:20.000And the U.S. prints dollars, they get like a commission.
01:28:22.000They get a commission to print all these dollars.
01:28:24.000If gold and commodities are running higher, then countries start to think, well, maybe we should do something other than the dollar.
01:28:31.000Right before shock and awe, right before the U.S.
01:28:34.000invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein was saying, you know, we're going to start trading our oil in euros.
01:28:40.000Within six months, he had shock and awe.
01:28:44.000In Iran, you've got the leaders in Iran saying, maybe we should trade our oil in euros.
01:28:49.000You've got huge tension in the previous administration with Iran.
01:28:53.000So the dollar franchise, which has been in place since the end of World War II, is an incredibly lucrative franchise for U.S.
01:29:00.000banks. So when gold and oil and these commodities started to challenge that, they come in in a very coordinated way.
01:29:07.000The banks are working very closely with people in the Treasury and the Federal Reserve to do what they have to do to drive the price of these commodities down, including oil and gold.
01:29:22.000We've had this dollar rally since that time, which has been not as robust recently as it was maybe a few months ago.
01:29:31.000But the answer to your question is, is the price of oil manipulated?
01:29:38.000No, I don't agree with that, but I do agree with Lindsey that, uh, Mr. Williams, that, uh, you do have, uh, manipulation in the future market.
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01:33:32.000You know, if I was to ever do a show, I'd probably have to find me some new music or something that's not his, because he gets all the good stuff, you know?
01:33:39.000Matter of fact, he reaches into era music from my era, you know?
01:33:43.000He plays Heart, you know, ZZ Top, You know, uh, what else?
01:35:06.000you know, total control and their coffers are being filled as the price of oil is going higher as was Venezuela as was the Mideast.
01:35:14.000but the thing with the Georgia thing was the Georgian army was trained by the Americans and the Israelis and they provoked them.
01:35:25.000I think from the world view, the Russian response was predictable.
01:35:33.000Cross into some stuff and beat up on a bunch of Russians and kill a bunch of civilians.
01:35:36.000We're going to come across the border and kick your high knee in.
01:35:38.000I mean, that wasn't, that seemed like they were manipulated into being materialistic, don't you think?
01:35:44.000Uh, well, I think the European view, you know, I'm calling you from Paris and, uh, the European view is, uh, slightly different that, uh, in fact, the, um, the antagonism went the other way initially, but the, The bottom line is that there's a huge incentive to drop the price of oil to defang those ambitions because now Russia's on its back foot trying to deal with a collapse in energy prices.
01:36:12.000obviously in venezuela venezuela is now uh...
01:36:16.000pulling back from its initiatives to flood uh...
01:36:18.000cheap oil into the u_s_ remember they're trying to get some goodwill doing uh...
01:36:22.000some oil exportation that way to into new york The Mideast, you know, they're now obviously having to suffer along with this collapse in the price of oil.
01:36:36.000Well, according to Lindsay Williams, that was one of the principal reasons to collapse the price of oil.
01:36:43.000The elites were going to do it to punish the Arab world because that's the only thing they got to sell.
01:36:47.000Well, I mean, that's a benefit for sure.
01:36:53.000that that certainly i think that during during the bush administration You know, you have this incredible run-up in the price of oil, and the oil companies made huge profits, but at the same time, you can't do that without empowering Mideast, Venezuela, Russia, and it came to a point where they're like, look, we can't keep running the price of oil on the upside, because remember, it was manipulated on the upside as well.
01:37:16.000We can't keep doing that, and although Exxon and Chevron, these companies are making huge profits, at some point, you know, there's a Cost benefit analysis that needs to be done.
01:37:27.000We're giving too much money to these guys in these other regions, so we've got to throttle things back.
01:37:32.000So I'm sure a conversation was had with the major oil companies in the U.S. who said, okay, thank you very much for our multi-billion dollar quarters, highest recorded profits in the history of commerce in the history of the world.
01:37:45.000We'll take our money, and okay, new administration, we'll go from there.
01:37:51.000Is it the prices should be floating based on supply and demand But they're not you know, they're not the prices don't bet are not based on supply and demand in the oil market Although that should change as you start to run into What's called supply collapse,
01:38:08.000which I'm not in in agreement with with mr. Mr. Lindsay on and you don't see price discovery in a fair way either in the financial markets because Thank you.
01:38:31.000There's a question that brings up to me, and I'm going to sit here and openly disagree with you on this peak oil thing, because it'll be fun, you know?
01:38:46.000Let me just throw out a few plebeian opinions on this issue.
01:38:51.000You know, I know Lindsey Williams, and I trust the guy.
01:38:56.000and to the various i read his book of the energy non-crosses which he wrote many years ago and you know by my ways what he's saying in the engine on crosses is that he was physically up there at gull island in alaska when the atlantic richfield proved this monstrous find up there it was they said that they you know do do do whatever techniques they use their proving their well capping pressure testing or whatever i'm not into that that they had this decided that what's underneath them is so huge that it
01:39:26.000It's probably as big as anything in Saudi Arabia.
01:39:29.000And they were all having a good old time celebrating up there.
01:39:32.000And then the federal government came in and told them a few days later, cap those wells, pull up the stuff, and get the heck out of here and shut your mouth.
01:39:40.000And basically, this book is about the fact that it kind of agrees with what you're saying.
01:39:46.000And I wonder, in the peak oil thing, These people manipulate the price, they manipulate everything, and there's no free market out there anymore.
01:40:12.000I traveled to the Mideast and talked to people, and the fact is that the biggest fields in the world Uh, whether it's Mexico or Saudi Arabia are in decline.
01:40:26.000They are putting out less oil, uh, less and less every year.
01:40:30.000The global output of oil year on year, uh, for the year we just reported is dropped something like seven to 9% supply destruction.
01:40:47.000In the case of financial markets, The case for manipulation is one that is easier to make because you've got this fiat currency world, you've got notational values being exchanged between banks where they just create a, they say here's a credit default swap and it's priced at X, Y, and Z and it's just pulled out of a hat really.
01:41:09.000In the case of oil, because it is a physical commodity, you can look at actual physical evidence and geological evidence and you can actually make a fairly strong Yeah.
01:41:22.000what's going on in these fields, the amount of oil coming out at the end of the day is dropping.
01:41:27.000The amount of water being pushed in there to push the oil out, there's been no major discovery.
01:41:38.000You're talking about plunging your soda straw into some soda, and all of a sudden you're hearing that noise instead of getting good Coca-Cola out of there.
01:41:51.000I'm talking about if it is true that there are discoveries which they have suppressed and are refusing to allow us to gut after, then you're going to create an artificial peak oil shortage, aren't you?
01:42:06.000And that way you can keep the price up and you can tell the people that they need to drive electric cars and stop driving their muscle cars and all that other stuff.
01:42:15.000It seems like you can create the illusion of peak oil if you suppress oil fines.
01:42:26.000And ultimately, we're going to find out, because at the rate of the depletion of oil is now hitting really a very steep downward curve.
01:42:38.000And the peak oil theory, in the peak oil camp, which I'm involved with, we'll know in the next 12 to 18 to 24 months definitively whether or not Uh, our camp is really in the right camp.
01:42:51.000But, I mean, what you're saying is true.
01:42:55.000There's an incentive to manipulate in the way that you're suggesting, for sure.
01:43:01.000There's an incentive to do that, as there's an incentive to manipulate any market at any time by profiteers looking to manipulate intelligence, looking to manipulate prices, looking to manipulate data, politics, propaganda.
01:43:15.000This is a scourge of modern society is propaganda and manipulation.
01:43:20.000And since in the modern era, it's become quite a problem because as the manipulators gain political influence, they've been able to buy their way into the major media outlets of the world and squeeze out or push out any alternative voices. Now, in the case of, let's say, Alex Jones and Bob Dacey on The Alex Jones Show,
01:43:56.000People characterize me as being part of the extreme left, and yet that's absurd.
01:43:59.000Just like I believe that Alex Jones is not part of any extreme right, Alex Jones is just a guy who's trying, Bob Dacey, who's interested in uncovering Thank you.
01:44:15.000be captured by the by the regulators by the corporations like all the corporate occupation And the information's not getting out there.
01:44:25.000Look, if I could have my way, you know, if I was like President Bob Obama, you know, and I was really born in the United States and everything, and I could actually just wave my magic wand and there's no manipulation and there's no corruption going on, I'd be sending my guys up to Gull Island and finding out whether Lindsey Williams is right.
01:44:45.000You know, is there an oil field, is there an oil area up there on the northern Alaska border which is so vast and so huge as to make the peak oil thing a crock?
01:44:56.000You know, and is that a representative sample of other things going on, manipulated around the world, where they're hiding this stuff from us to keep the price up and to con us out of our standard of living because of this peak oil boogeyman that they keep throwing at us.
01:45:11.000See, I'd like to be able to prove that.
01:45:13.000You know, I'd like to be able to go up to Gull Island and say, okay, is that sucker really there?
01:45:18.000You know, and are there other suckers all over the place that are there that they just won't let us touch?
01:45:22.000I mean, Lindsey Williams said they went up there, the federal government went up there and said, get the heck out of here.
01:45:27.000And I know that even just as a layman, you go look at a geological map of Alaska and you find out that 80% of the whole thing up there is off limits.
01:45:36.000You know, if they're making things off limits, how can you have peak oil if you have a stacked deck like that?
01:45:46.000Okay, now you're talking about Lindsey Williams, and first of all, the fact that the price collapsed the way it did, you have to tip my hat to Lindsey Williams.
01:45:58.000Because when the price was at $147, as you point out, a lot of pundits were saying, hey, it's going to $175, $220.
01:46:04.000Lindsey Williams was like a lone voice out there saying, no, it's going to drop down to $50.
01:46:13.000But I disagree, kind of, in, you know, looking at what he looks at in his research.
01:46:18.000You talk about Lindsey Williams, you believe in his stuff.
01:46:21.000You know, I look at a guy like Matt Simmons, who is We've got 30 years, you know, poking straws in the ground, who's a scientist, a geologist, who's got no reason to, no agenda to go out there and smudge or fudge the figures, and that's the guy who I look at.
01:46:42.000Now ultimately, we live still in a somewhat capitalist environment.
01:46:50.000There's a question as to how much longer we will be in a capitalist environment, but we do live in an environment where the price will out.
01:46:57.000We'll see in the next couple of years whether or not this depletion or supply destruction is really going to cut into the global supply of oil out there, as I think will be the case.
01:47:28.000And when we put those two things together, it translates into a higher price.
01:47:32.000I agree with Lindsey that the price of the futures and the paper market is manipulated, as all markets are manipulated.
01:47:39.000And I think he looks great in the last six months.
01:47:42.000I think six months from now, it's going to be a different story, but I have to concede to you the point that in the last six months, you know, he's definitely got the winning hand in the last six months.
01:47:52.000You know, if you had bought oil at $140, you'd be, you know, crushed in your account today.
01:47:59.000And that's a tragedy for those people who bought oil at that price.
01:48:25.000When I look at this, I see a blizzard of BS out there.
01:48:30.000And everyone seems to have a reason for putting out information or disinformation.
01:48:37.000And when you don't have a clean playing field and you don't have independent confirmation where people aren't playing with stuff, I don't see how you can come up with any conclusions.
01:48:47.000My conclusion is I'm with Alex and that the...
01:49:03.000And of course, you know, convincing us that we can't drive our truck anymore or if that's good for them, great.
01:49:14.000So, in this atmosphere, this forest of lies, which is, you know, A. the mainstream media, and B. the global elite, I don't see how anybody can come up with any real honest facts.
01:54:24.000We're talking about somebody trying to Yeah,
01:54:39.000today you're talking about basically you want to talk about the new world order you're talking about goldman sachs is that is that accurate this financial coup d'etat that you mentioned that took place as a larger largely orchestrated by goldman sachs yeah
01:54:54.000well first of all, again the headlines that we cover I don't But,
01:56:25.000For example, last year, they were selling bonds on behalf of a customer.
01:56:31.000At the same time, they were selling them short in the open market and driving the price down.
01:56:36.000So there was a clear case of double dealing.
01:56:39.000You know, and this type of thing, if you or I did it, it's a clear case of double dealing.
01:56:46.000And yet, at that level, it seems to be completely overlooked.
01:56:48.000Yeah, there's a financial police when you need them, huh?
01:56:51.000Well, the Financial Police is supposed to be the Securities and Exchange Commission, the SEC, but it's overworked, understaffed.
01:56:57.000It seems to be a captured regulator, just like these rating agencies like Moody's, S&P, Fitch.
01:57:02.000They seem to be in the pocket of the industry they're supposed to be supervising.
01:57:06.000And they're not actually independent agencies.
01:57:09.000They're doing independent research and independent regulation.
01:57:13.000And as a result, You've got the growth of a huge concentration of wealth and power.
01:57:18.000It makes its way into Washington, and then they pass laws that make it much easier for banks and brokers to continue these huge schemes.
01:57:27.000You know, that Bernie Madoff Ponzi scheme is really a model, if you will, for almost everything that's going on in the U.S. financial sector over the past 15, 20 years, really.
01:57:41.000In layman's terms, you're just saying that the fox is guarding the hen house, and that's the way it is.
01:57:49.000That's the way it was back in Calvin Coolidge's day in the 1920s, which led to the crash and the depression, and things that were established as a result of the depression, like the Securities Act of 1933 and 1934, the FDIC insurance,
01:58:06.000the SEC, all these things that came as a result Hello, their job in de-fanging the regulatory bodies to the point where we're right back to the Calvin Coolidge's day.
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