On today's show, Ron Perlman joins us to discuss the latest on the AmeriCorps Citizen Army, and how it ties into the latest White House proposal to ban gun ownership at will. Paul Dornanue joins us from Europe to discuss his experience with the Bilderberg Secret Police.
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00:00:09.000Paul Dornanue joining us from Europe It was at Bilderberg 2009.
00:00:40.000He shot some of the great video of the secret police following a cameraman.
00:00:46.000When reporters at the 2007 Bilderberg Group meeting in Istanbul, Turkey, he got detained, saw many others arrested.
00:00:55.000He'll give us the latest on what happened over the weekend.
00:00:58.000And tomorrow we're going to have Charlie Skelton on who was detained again.
00:01:03.000Got in a physical altercation, got roughed up by these people, and was basically driven from the country, so that's coming up.
00:01:10.000Then next hour, I'm going to have Aaron Dykes in studio, David Gergen and others, Republicans as well, are involved in this AmeriCorps citizen army, and put up on screen
00:01:21.000The image of the uniform, it is a red and black, it's a red uniform trimmed in black with fascistic khaki brown shirts, and they're marching and doing military drills in this video, hundreds and hundreds of them, and they have tens of thousands nationwide, they want millions, and they say, this is our uniform, this is what we wear.
00:01:43.000And they admit it is with Homeland Security and they are spies.
00:01:47.000They admit, Kurt Nimmo wrote a story about it, he links to their own documents, they are spies.
00:01:53.000So that is coming up later in the next hour and how it ties into Bill and Congress would ban gun ownership at will.
00:01:59.000And this is what the legislation that Rahm Emanuel swore to introduce.
00:02:05.000We have the video posted right there so you can see it.
00:02:08.000And this will allow them secretly to ban any gun ownership they want and then you can't challenge it.
00:02:13.000There's no court, you don't even know why you're on it.
00:02:15.000I mean, this is the hallmark, the bedrock of tyranny.
00:02:19.000So a detailed report on how that ties into the Cyber Bullying Act, restrict free speech, how it ties in to worldwide, how you'll have these tracking lists and not be able to travel, have a job, you name it, in the future.
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00:06:26.000Okay, that said, let's go to Paul Dornanew, who again, did work for us on the film Endgame, and he has pretty good English, better English than I have Romanian.
00:08:04.000And basically what we noticed there from the beginning, and I have to agree completely with Jim Tucker, is that the security was Worse than I've seen in 2007 in Istanbul and what I've seen other times from other reports.
00:08:25.000Basically the police, I think the police took the job to secure the place and the army, the Greek army.
00:08:35.000I don't, haven't seen very much of special forces like I've seen before from maybe US military or something like that.
00:08:44.000But, uh, from the pictures I took, uh, I took, um, people to observe, um, for example, military on, uh, fast boats, uh, with guns, heavy guns, uh, uh, great, uh, military navy on the sea that was patrolling around the hotel, uh, police helicopter surveilling the area.
00:09:05.000When we arrived, uh, basically it was, uh, very animated, uh, and, uh, police, uh, Cars, police, bikes were coming and going everywhere.
00:10:06.000Well, my second day there, which is Friday the 15th, I was walking on the road, walking towards the Esquire Palace Hotel, and I met this guy, this Greek guy, I called his name, and he told us, guys, you know, that they are arresting people with cameras.
00:10:31.000And I said, well, I haven't heard that before.
00:10:36.000So we took a walk and we managed to take a picture of the hotel where two people were sitting in the balcony.
00:10:44.000And I went to change the lenses and get a bigger lens, a zoom lens, to get a closer picture with them.
00:10:53.000And as soon as I put my My backpack on the ground, a few police cars and motorcycles arrived and started asking questions.
00:11:03.000That's when we started getting that footage.
00:11:25.000But clearly Bilderberg gave the order to stop any photos because they're tired of us showing the Queen of the Netherlands and David Rockefeller and British royalty and others being there.
00:11:36.000So, I mean, clearly this sounds like Soviet Russia during the 1980s.
00:11:43.000Well, I think even personally to some of the cops in civilian or regular cops, And basically, what they told us is that, first of all, they were very friendly to us.
00:12:00.000Only some security people there were very, very angry, and they were giving orders.
00:12:07.000They had stations, radio stations, all of them.
00:12:14.000Oh, so you saw private security people, or what looked like plain clothes, private security men telling the police to be rougher with you?
00:12:28.000Even when Richard Trabin from Ireland was arrested, basically he took a picture of such a man, and then that man ordered the police to get him.
00:12:45.000Okay, so clearly the Vildenberg security then Was giving orders to the police, and that's what we've heard from everybody, that the police didn't really like violating the press' rights, but were clearly under orders from higher up to do this.
00:13:01.000And so, go back over to the gentleman from Ireland, because we're going to be doing a story on this, Mr. Dornan, as you know, for PrisonPlanet.com, which has been the global leader.
00:13:09.000If you click under Google News, we're getting more hits right now on The Guardian and The New York Times.
00:13:15.000And others that have been in the Wall Street Journal that have been reporting on this.
00:13:18.000So it's important to get all the facts.
00:13:20.000So specifically, you're confirming Bilderberg was ordering people have their videotapes, their photos stolen.
00:13:31.000That allows civil action now against the private Bilderberg group based out of a private corporate office in the Netherlands.
00:13:43.000Well, I myself was detained two times.
00:13:47.000Actually, the second time was worse than the first time.
00:13:50.000The first time we got detained, me and my friend and that Greek guy, we were detained for about an hour.
00:13:58.000During that time, they probably launched some checks on us at the police station and then let us free.
00:14:05.000They didn't check our cameras or whatever we recorded.
00:14:10.000Now the second time was worse because it was yesterday when Bilderbergers started to leave and my friends started taking pictures with limos and basically they were all together in that park near the police barricade and they were friendly with us and
00:14:38.000Suddenly, it seems that this police guy dressed like normal people.
00:14:49.000He got radioed and got very angry because he was told to basically take us.
00:15:47.000And even if the cops don't like it, there were lots of Germans who didn't like blowing people's heads off, but they still did it.
00:15:52.000You know, there were lots of folks who didn't like, you know, having, you know, to hang black runaway slaves, but they still hung them.
00:15:59.000And just because you don't like, you know, oh, I had to rob a bank, I was real sad about it, I don't like it, but I have to rob it, those police officers are not above the law.
00:16:09.000Now, More importantly, you and others that were arrested, including the Irishman and the Brent reporter for The Guardian, they need to file suit against the Bilderberg Group for soliciting your arrest.
00:16:28.000And then that will open all this up in court.
00:16:34.000Yes, I was considering doing such an action for us to talk with the The foreign minister in my country to ask them why I was detained or arrested at the time.
00:16:49.000Because the second time, well, I got released and I think that's what they wanted.
00:17:23.000This is in the middle of just a gorgeous tourist area, and they shut down the entire palace with three huge hotels, and then there's a huge bay with boats and ships and people on the beach with volleyballs, and they were just grabbing people.
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00:19:33.000He's fudged since day one in this election.
00:19:35.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascism.
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00:21:07.000this is alex jones for survival seed bank dot com we have a big announcement concerning youtube censorship And I'll say this, it looks very, very positive, but I don't want to declare victory yet.
00:21:26.000So that'll probably be in the next few days.
00:21:28.000Up on screen, it's coming up next hour.
00:22:40.000Infocon.ro, I-N-F-O-C-O-N-DOT-R-O, done a lot of great work, and you can see his footage in Endgame, Blueprint for Global Enslavement being followed by cars and police waiting out front in plainclothes, smoking cigarettes in alleys.
00:22:53.000Looks like something out of Indiana Jones or the Temple of, or Raiders of the Lost Dark, going through bazaars and trying to hide while guys follow him so Tucker can meet some guy in an alley to tell him what's going on from Bilderberg.
00:23:04.000And a lot of that went on this year, too, and Tucker's going to be back soon.
00:23:09.000We'll have him on the next few days for a full debriefing here on air.
00:23:12.000But Mr. Dornan, the British reporter, Mr. Skelton, really got freaked out when they were at his hotel, in his room, following him, grabbing on him in alleyways.
00:23:23.000The London Guardian, he certainly had a conversion from laughing at us to taking this pretty serious.
00:23:30.000Yes, I've managed to meet Charles Shelton and talk to him a bit and he indeed was looking very frightened because of what was happening.
00:23:42.000I don't think he was expecting for this to be happening and was taken by surprise.
00:23:50.000But let me tell you what happened the second arrest of us.
00:23:54.000Uh, when we got, uh, second time arrested with us, uh, there were, uh, two guys from American Free Press, uh, Bernard and Peter, I don't know their last names, and, uh... By the way, this is an exclusive.
00:24:59.000When we got to the police station, the first thing, there was a captain which I managed to take his pictures at a demonstration a day earlier.
00:25:15.000to remove the batteries, to remove the tape, the cards from them, the phones, especially phones.
00:25:21.000And they were very, very angry, especially with me, because I published the videos on YouTube, and they literally started threatening me personally.
00:27:49.000They'd seen his YouTube videos that we posted that were actually carried by Google News as news and even posted on their front page.
00:27:59.000That's what automated computers can do.
00:28:01.000They can censor us with one hand and then elevate us with the other.
00:28:07.000It is amazing what the alternative media can do, thanks to Paul Dornanews, Courage, and many others.
00:28:11.000Okay, Paul, so you're saying this police officer, officer of officers, were you saying he was a captain or a sergeant, threatens you over the fact that you'd put him on YouTube.
00:28:24.000Uh, he was very angry that I put those videos on YouTube, especially the ones on which you can see the faces of the... Well, let's make them more angry.
00:28:53.000What did he say when he threatened you?
00:28:55.000Well, he kept asking me why I put this on the internet, why I have recorded that video inside a police station, and I denied all the time that I Recorded a video.
00:29:07.000I just said that I only uploaded it to the YouTube.
00:29:15.000And, uh, and, uh, they said, well, uh, we have to, uh, uh, take you into the jail and, uh, send you to a car court where a judge will, uh, will decide, uh, what we're going to do with you.
00:29:32.000And after that, they started to do a body search on us.
00:29:36.000They had to remove our shoes, got everything, whatever we had on us, taken away.
00:29:45.000And I feel that they were looking for something else, like maybe, you know, knife, fork, drug, something to get us, to stage us.
00:29:57.000Probably that's what they really are looking for.
00:30:01.000And after that, they put the batteries back into the cameras and the tapes, and they had us show them what we filmed, what pictures we have taken of.
00:32:29.000No one is going to take care of your family in the final equation but you.
00:32:32.000You know efoodsdirect.com is still able to ship storable food that's safe from E. coli, salmonella, genetic alteration, or Chinese imports.
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00:33:33.000He's fudged since day one in this election.
00:33:35.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascism.
00:36:36.000I mean, the security was just breathing heavy.
00:36:39.000They had Secret Service just literally just going, ugh, looking at us with hatred because they told them don't arrest these people because it'll end up being news coverage.
00:36:48.000Because it was a total blackout in the U.S.
00:37:33.000And they were so angry, I mean they were so angry because they told us no cell phone calls and they took our cell phones and stuff.
00:37:40.000But Slick Highs, no it was Aaron Dykes had his little bitty cell phone, little bitty grey cell phone, we actually lost it at Bilderberg 2009, I forgot about that.
00:37:56.000But he had that little bitty phone and I dialed it, got Jim Tucker, said, "Call the media.
00:38:00.000We've already been held for like six, seven hours." And then the media shows up hours later and the one little thug walks in, the commander, and he goes, "Come back here, please," starts yelling at me going, you know, and then it turns all nice.
00:38:33.000And he goes, you promise not to talk to the press about this?
00:38:36.000Which was immoral, what he was doing, because I just lied.
00:38:38.000I mean, in an emergency situation, when I'm with feds in a foreign country, telling me that I don't have a free speech and I'll promise to shut up, oh yes, oh I promise I'm not going to talk about this.
00:38:52.000As soon as I was out of Canada, I did though.
00:38:55.000I mean, because this is warfare, folks.
00:38:58.000Uh, you know, when you're behind bars and they're asking you to promise to waive your rights, I, uh, but I knew he was going to release me anyways.
00:39:05.000I mean, I didn't want him to taser me to death or do the other stuff that, uh, Canadian Customs is well known for murdering people in full view of cameras.
00:39:13.000So I, um, I told him, oh yes, I promise.
00:39:17.000One of the few times I lie, I'm pretty much trained to never lie, but I guess in the Bible, you know, when they, uh, have the spies going into the city, Was that with Gideon?
00:41:47.000Security staff or something like that.
00:41:52.000And uh... when we left we noticed that much of the police went away so we realized the party was over.
00:42:00.000Most of the billboards have left already.
00:42:03.000So they detained us not to be able to take pictures of the cars leaving.
00:42:09.000And I think the most important thing you've talked about here is that your free speech was violated, European Union laws were violated, but we know they're written to do that, and They were doing this under orders of Bilderberg Security, which you witnessed.
00:42:25.000And it was also Navy and Marines there, according to the mainstream news.
00:42:29.000Navy and Marines, and reportedly Army.
00:42:33.000So this is a big deal, and we appreciate your courage.
00:42:37.000I managed to take a lot of pictures with, actually put them on a website where I gave you the link, with security on the scene.
00:42:48.000Navy ships, special forces, and others with big guns on the sea.
00:42:56.000There's very good footage I took from the boat we went on Saturday.
00:43:03.000Paul Norton, anything else you'd like to add from Romania?
00:43:25.000show, because the media here must have covered this incident with me and the delivered conference pretty heavy the last few days.
00:43:38.000Well, see, you're doing your job, and you got inspired by other Info Warriors years ago to go out and take action, and now that's waking more people up, and then people will become inspired by you and your nation to keep Romania free from tyranny, and certainly Romanians have seen tyranny. and then people will become inspired by you and your That's why you have a lot of liberties there now, because people fought for them, and all liberty is fought for, and you've got to fight to keep it.
00:44:01.000And so you are just doing a better and better job and growing and growing, Paul Dornanue.
00:44:08.000And we just really appreciate all the great work you do and we appreciate our relationship with you.
00:44:12.000So God bless you and we are very thankful for your courage.
00:44:16.000Thank you too, Alex, and hope to hear you soon.
00:45:13.000media say none of this existed for decades?
00:45:15.000Why did they say you were a crazy kook if you talked about it?
00:45:17.000Why are you arrested if you try to cover it?
00:45:19.000Why has Bilderberg Group's own minutes been released over the years where they are literally setting world policy with world leaders and telling them what to do?
00:45:32.000And we're tired of being harassed and death-threatened and everything else that we go through to bring people this information.
00:45:39.000So notice they act like it doesn't exist, and then when we do expose it, they go, okay, big deal, don't look at that, nobody cares, let's just move along.
00:45:46.000Oh, big deal, you showed some, in fact, that's what the, he's on the Trilateral Commission, that CNN reporter, the head of CNN International, you know, is running around, he got questioned by We Are Change about it, he said, oh, big deal, just some old men meeting, it's nothing, nobody cares, and the Trilateral Commission runs nothing either.
00:46:07.000Meanwhile, he's one of their board members.
00:46:11.000So they deny it exists, and then when you finally point it out, they go, oh, it's nothing.
00:46:15.000And you go, well, here's your own documents that you're engaged in crime.
00:46:21.000You know, folks, these are the people that stole 14.8 trillion, more than 10 trillion from Europe and England.
00:46:27.000So total, that's 24 plus trill in seven months and they're just getting started announcing and they're grabbing our car companies and handing over to foreign interest and saying GM will now be foreign cars brought into the U.S.
00:46:40.000and Chrysler's just going to go completely away.
00:46:44.000And then tax money, the bailouts that were given to them, 50-something billion, that'll be used to relocate to Italy at Fiat and relocate GM to Brazil and China?
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00:49:31.000He's fudged since day one in this election.
00:49:34.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascist.
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00:53:12.000And the Homeland Security documents say the number one threat to Homeland Security is veterans and gun owners.
00:53:16.000So the whole system's set up for them.
00:53:19.000And in the article written by Kurt Nemo, he links directly to City Year and other subdivisions of AmeriCorps and SecurCorps, where they state they're under Homeland Security to carry out Homeland Security duties, including intelligence gathering.
00:53:32.000So, what you're about to see are spies doing paramilitary training.
00:53:38.000And they then mix in Martin Luther King and Gandhi with it.
00:53:42.000Martin Luther King and Gandhi were fighting secret police and spies and fascism.
00:53:47.000But it puts a nice liberal, you know, drum circle angle on it.
00:53:52.000But the uniforms are decidedly fascist.
00:53:54.000Red with black trim, with brown khakis.
00:53:58.000This is, I mean, if I was making a science fiction movie about a dystopic nightmare future with thug, you know, citizen corps enforcers, this would be it.
00:54:08.000So this is part of AmeriCorps, and it says on their site, Join the Corps, and their main system.
00:54:14.000Now at first they have PR functions of helping old ladies and school kids, but the main function is what Rahm Emanuel said, military training three months every summer for the youth, junior high, high school, and out of school, paramilitary training with weapons.
00:54:27.000But don't believe me, just watch that screen.
00:55:09.000No, behind the Berlin Wall was citizen corps in tattletale uniforms spying on the citizens.
00:55:16.000So they wrap tyranny and spies and federally controlled local communities and federalization of police and the Boy Scouts training for gun confiscation.
00:55:26.000I mean, Insecure Corps, that division, I've got the Philadelphia News, seven years ago under Bush, training the high schoolers and middle schoolers for warrant service and fugitive apprehension, quote, with M-16s.
00:55:41.000So, no, no, no, no, you'd be the people shooting the folks trying to get out of East Germany.
00:55:49.000To make this world a better place, by helping those who need it most.
00:55:54.000To never turn my back when... Stop right there!
00:55:57.000Our government and the Democratic Party has introduced bills that restrict free speech, that continue the free speech zones, that continue the Cyber Bullying Act, H.R.
00:56:06.0001966, that openly says if you hurt someone's feelings and they sign an affidavit, they will federally charge you under a felony.
00:56:14.000I mean, forget hate crimes laws where they punish some things more if they claim it was a protected group.
00:56:18.000This is saying that if you do something on the internet that somebody says hurt their feelings, federally charged.
00:56:24.000But then you show Tiananmen Square where people didn't have free speech.
00:56:28.000That was about free speech at Tiananmen Square.
00:56:30.000You show that when that's what you are!
00:56:34.000You camouflage yourselves in the color of liberty, in the flag of liberty, but then at the end you say, this is my uniform, this is what I wear.
00:58:33.000He's fudged since day one in this election.
00:58:35.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascism.
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01:00:45.000The public's pointing out all these tumors and things popping out, and the country's having trouble breathing, and they're saying, oh no, that's healthy.
01:01:56.000You know, I'm 14 and normally a four-year-old could do this, but the fluorides got me to the point where and the mercury shots and the GMO food where I can zip a zipper.
01:02:06.000And you know, it's real popular with the drum circle and kind of what's, you know, cool.
01:02:23.000And they're serving out billions of bucks to these groups, both governmental and non-governmental.
01:02:28.000They're running TV ads with government money for SecureCorp, for AmeriCorps, but for also completely private groups, the Democratic Party, like USAservice.org.
01:02:39.000And then you're under their control, but it has the U.S.
01:02:43.000And it's literally, they're out doing gun buyback programs to condition everybody to turn their guns in, and to see the news images of that.
01:02:50.000They're busy, I mean, pushing so many facets of this.
01:02:54.000And then I covered last week the story out of the New York Times.
01:03:00.000Perhaps we can pull this article up for folks if we have time.
01:03:03.000Government readies youth corps to take on vets.
01:03:05.000Now, that's what the first paragraph of the New York Times said.
01:03:09.000That they're training them with these dummy MP5 BB guns and the rest of it with Homeland Security all over the nation.
01:03:32.000But if you do it under the government, it's okay.
01:03:34.000That's a sanctioned, kosher place to do this.
01:03:38.000So the kids run out and want to be part of this and it's under state control.
01:03:42.000And Hitler took the Boy Scouts that Germany had.
01:03:45.000And militarized it and turned it into the Hitlerjugend and said, you're going to spy, you're going to tattle.
01:03:50.000And we have public schools all over the nation, you know, writing dossiers on your parents, what's in the medicine cabinet.
01:03:55.000They have law enforcement semesters starting in the 6th grade, and then they have them again in the 8th and 9th grade where the kids have a federal deputized, deputized local county sheriff or police officer in the class teaching them.
01:04:10.000And now the economy is converting over where most of the new scholarships And grants aren't for electrical engineering or arts or botany or biology.
01:04:32.000Because the big banks own all these private companies that supply the police and the military and Lockheed Martin puts in the face scanning cameras and the license plate reading cameras and Lockheed Martin and others put in the license plate readers and the Red light cameras.
01:04:46.000All of this they're making huge profits off of.
01:05:04.000Free federal computers where the kids do their English class stuff on a federal computer and a laptop they take home, but they admit that that's downloaded by the feds to quote check for plagiarism.
01:05:14.000Because they run it against the database, but oh, also a database of what your kids are, and during the law enforcement class, it's on a computer, that goes to the feds, so now it's actual dossiers being written about your family.
01:05:26.000They admit this in the actual grants to the schools, but to the parents, they're told, oh, your child's being taught how to be a police officer, and you know, isn't this great, they're going to be like Jack Bauer.
01:06:08.000Sounds reasonable reason to have them be little spies of the states to these environmental parents, but then it can quickly be converted over into, what does mommy drink?
01:06:22.000So, when you see this, these guys are being trained to take on vets, trained to take on gun owners, trained to take on the American people, and in Kurt Nimmo's article, Excellent article.
01:06:36.000In this story, he details, with links to the Homeland Defense Pentagon link, where they admit this is their main function as homeland surveillance and intelligence.
01:06:47.000Well, what did Obama say in that speech?
01:07:20.000And Kurt details in this article, AmeriCorps' paramilitary propaganda ad, also the Daily Newscaster detailed it, how this is to work with police departments, public safety grants, the war against terrorism on the home front, and they give them the training manuals that say, conservatives, gun owners, people that make frequent references to the U.S.
01:08:13.0001966, the Cyberbullying Act, racing through the House, openly states, word for word, that if you hurt someone's feelings, they sign an affidavit, federal felony, five years in prison, massive fines.
01:08:28.000Okay, then they have other bills introduced.
01:08:30.000This just came out this Sunday, BrokenInfoWars.com.
01:08:34.000We have a link to the No Fly, No Buy Act, H.R. 2401.
01:08:39.000Where they state openly to everyone that no judge, no jury, no arrest, no why you're on the list, just you're not allowed to buy guns and SWAT teams are coming to take them.
01:08:53.000Ladies and gentlemen, my dad's been on a no-fly list.
01:09:32.000There was that famous case in 2012 when the Al-Qaeda tried to hit this or that because they had exploding cyanide chips that saved the children.
01:09:40.000You're not for killing children, are you?
01:09:45.000Remember Homeland Security saying they want us to all wear...
01:09:47.000Taser bracelets when we get on planes?
01:11:22.000I think you probably remember around the time Obama deception was coming out, a lot of people were like, oh, is there really going to be some civilian national force service?
01:11:31.000And then it was all announced by the White House and all announced by the last two White Houses.
01:11:35.000And then they just people still live in denial.
01:11:38.000Yeah, people tried to deny it, and then Rahm Emanuel has a book on it.
01:11:42.000He gave like 20 speeches, C-SPAN, everywhere.
01:11:45.000Yeah, it turns out Brzezinski wrote about it in his book.
01:11:49.000And now David Gergen, back in 2007, helped launch America Forward, which is a collective of all these organizations, including City Year and also Teachers.
01:12:03.000There's literally some 60-plus organizations.
01:13:12.000Listen, you can go to an event and protest the North American Union or the SPP taking over the highways, which they claim we've beat, but they're still going ahead with it.
01:13:18.000And these people will walk up to you and start bumping you and start getting in your face and laughing.
01:13:22.000Imagine being scum for just 20 bucks an hour, 15 bucks an hour, who goes out and tries to destroy freedom.
01:13:57.000And it's true, it's under Homeland Security.
01:13:59.000AmeriCorps and all of them are under Homeland Security under a branch, I think it's called Center for National Service or something like that.
01:14:06.000And they state their main job is tattling.
01:14:09.000These people are absolute cancer to America, and I don't just say that.
01:14:57.000This is a new, they're going to have their new domestic municipal forces that operate in and around the military bases and off the bases, and then they have regular Marines running checkpoints searching U.S.
01:15:23.000They were making the guy drive into a sobriety check.
01:15:26.000They hadn't been drinking, by the way.
01:15:28.000And she starts calling her brother, Nate Evans.
01:15:31.000The cop walks over and says, get off your phone.
01:15:32.000She says, I'm allowed to be on the phone.
01:15:34.000Slams her face in, splits her whole head open.
01:15:36.000She's lucky they didn't gun her down in the back and then say she shouldn't have been out at night.
01:15:40.000Because, you know, I heard people on News Radio 590 call her the other day when the cops shot these two guys, saying, good, if you're out at night, you deserve to die.
01:15:48.000This is the level of groveling to the police now, where, yes, kill anyone out at night!
01:16:49.000And then meanwhile, they've introduced three bills where any designate of the federal government can put you on a list, you can't find out why you're on a list, no more Second Amendment, and then they come and take your guns.
01:16:59.000You get hit by a SWAT team, too bad if they kill you, the locals will get on the news and say, HE DESERVED IT!
01:17:05.000You know, I mean, and these guys are old in Iraq, confiscating guns and kicking in doors all day.
01:17:11.000You wonder how people fell to the Nazis and stuff and the Communists?
01:17:14.000Because the people go along with orders, man.
01:17:17.000They rationalize that it's good, but it's going to get so bad that all of you are going to lose in the end and your family name is going to be destroyed.
01:17:24.000A lot of you cops and military are going to go to prison because we're going to beat you in the end.
01:17:28.000I just want, I probably won't be here after all this Aaron, but when we finally take America back and take the world back, I do want to make sure we hunt all these people down and give them a proper trial with their juries, but everybody that commits treason, I really think they need the death penalty.
01:17:43.000I'm sorry, I really think that they need to at least be given life in prison.
01:17:47.000All these prisons full of pot smokers will fill it full of government bureaucrats and cops that broke the law.
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01:21:16.000All right, I'm going to get into the attack on the Second Amendment. - Come on.
01:21:21.000Which is an absolute declaration of war.
01:21:26.000I mean, this is not just the end of the second, it's the end of everything.
01:21:29.000They say, we secretly are going to take your guns, we're secretly going to put you on the list, we're going to secretly not allow you to buy guns, and you can't ever find out why, and there's no judge, no jury, no indictment.
01:21:38.000And if you think the cops aren't going to follow orders and carry this out, you've got another thing coming.
01:21:42.000Bush didn't dribble the size of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives because he wanted to play games.
01:24:20.0002159, denying firearms and explosives to dangerous terrorists.
01:24:25.000Says you're not convicted, you're on a MIAC or DHS report, or any other reason, or one of our AmeriCorps people lists you as maybe an extremist.
01:24:33.000As Washington staff says, if we maybe think you might be a terrorist, if we maybe think you might be, no rights, you're not part of the American family, no Second Amendment for you.
01:25:23.000On May 13, Democrat Carolyn McCarthy introduced the No Fly, No Buy Act, H.R.
01:25:28.0002401, a bill that will merge the TSA's no-fly list with the National Instant Background Criminal Check System, which I always told you was a way of listing you as a terrorist.
01:25:38.000I told you years ago they were going to merge this with the no-fly.
01:26:19.000No one is going to take care of your family in the final equation but you.
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01:27:51.000Obama says he supports a treaty to waive our rights to the Second Amendment.
01:27:56.000And they have the nerve to get on the news and say, we don't get these crazy people buying guns at record levels.
01:28:01.000We don't want their guns, while the Attorney General, the White House Chief of Staff, the President, all have called publicly or introduced legislation to ban even single-shot .22s, to take every firearm from the American people, including black powder.
01:28:15.000Total gun ban on record, bills introduced to do it, and they just keep saying, what are you talking about?
01:28:54.000And little old InfoWars, little old Kurt Nemo gets an email from a listener pointing out the bill and writes a story about it Sunday night.
01:29:34.000On May 13th, Democrat Representative Carolyn McCarthy introduced the No Fly, No Buy Act, H.R. 2401.
01:29:40.000A bill that will merge the TSA's no-fly list, with over 1,100,000 Americans, with the National Institute of Criminal Background Check System, NICS.
01:29:50.000Veterans, conservatives, people try to go buy guns, they're told, sorry, and then they go through the appeals process and they say, sorry, no more Second Amendment.
01:29:57.000See, guilty until proven innocent, then they appeal it and they're told, you can't be told why you don't get a gun, sorry.
01:30:24.000On May 3rd, Democratic Representative Carolyn McCarthy introduced the No-Fly, No-Buy Act, H.R.
01:30:30.0002401, a bill that will merge the TSA's No-Fly list with the National Instance Criminal Background Check System, a point-of-sale system for determining eligibility to purchase a firearm in the United States.
01:30:40.000It was created November of 1993, when the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 93, Public Law 103-159, was signed into law.
01:30:50.000Permanent revisions of the Brady Act went into effect November 30th, 1998, and require the U.S.
01:30:55.000Attorney General to establish NICS, NICS.
01:31:00.000And she goes on with a quote, and we have the bill.
01:31:03.000It says, we will secretly put you on this list, you will no longer be able to buy firearms, and the states are going to be implemented that you have guns illegal, and the SWAT teams are coming.
01:31:12.000So now you just aren't able to go on a plane, you know, old guy on a walker, I've seen it.
01:31:18.000And they call you in and ask you questions and jab you in.
01:31:21.000It's all about take your shoes off, be a slave, answer questions, go on a body scanner, humiliate yourself, be trained to be a slave.
01:31:31.000And it says improve homeland security sections, governmenttrack.us.
01:31:37.000He increased public safety and reduced the threat of domestic security threat by including persons who may be prevented from boarding an aircraft of the National Instant Criminal Background System.
01:31:45.000So see, no judge, no jury, no arrest, no misdemeanor, no felony, no indictment, no nothing!
01:31:58.000This global system, just like Michael Savage can't go to England or Europe, just like I can't go to Canada, they're going to put us all on these global lists where we can't travel.
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01:33:33.000He's fudged since day one in this election.
01:33:35.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascism.
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01:35:18.000You know, I saw an article quoting Richard Stallman about attacks on the Internet and its infrastructure and free speech.
01:35:27.000I told my producer to get him on, and when the two IT guys here at the office found out about it, they were very giddy today, because this guy is quite a bigwig in the architecture of browsers, the Internet, you name it.
01:35:48.000Richard Matthew Stallman, Often abbreviated RMS is an American software freedom activist, hacker, and software developer.
01:35:56.000In September 83, he launched the GNU project to create a free Unix-like operating system and has been the project's lead architect and organizer.
01:36:04.000With the launch of the GNU project, he started the free software movement and in October 1985, set up the Free Software Foundation.
01:36:12.000You know what, if I go over his whole bio, we'll never get to him, but this is one of the, you know, I know they say Al Gore invented the internet, even though it was around You know, 30 years ago.
01:36:20.000And I know they say he probably invented the moon, actually, and the galaxy.
01:36:24.000But, you know, we talk about some of the folks that have actually really contributed to the infrastructure of the free web, as we know it.
01:36:32.000This guy is certainly an icon in what we know as the modern web, Richard Stallman.
01:36:35.000I want to get him on because they're trying to get rid of net neutrality, they're trying to change how the web works, the head of cybersecurity.
01:36:44.000He said he's not ready to come on the air right now.
01:36:46.000He's behind the scenes stuff, but he said the Feds are taking it over, the Pentagon's taking over the web, and then it came out in the news that they are taking over the actual hubs of even smaller, you know, internet, telecom systems.
01:37:01.000So to try to break all this down with us is Richard Stallman.
01:37:04.000Richard, so much is going on, and we've got you for about 45 minutes or so.
01:37:29.000Well, first, I have to correct a couple of things.
01:37:32.000I've never worked on web browsers myself.
01:37:35.000I'm happy to say that there are some free, freedom-respecting web browsers, but I didn't write any of them.
01:37:42.000No, what I meant was just setting up an infrastructure, but I mean the group they have here that you set up is involved in a whole bunch of stuff is my point, but go ahead.
01:37:49.000Yes, we developed, first of all, the GNU operating system, which gets used together with Linux, the kernel, and that's the main freedom respecting operating system that lets you use your computer without handing over control to some company.
01:38:07.000Now, We know that Microsoft Windows has a backdoor that allows Microsoft to forcibly impose changes in software without asking permission of the supposed owner of the machine.
01:38:23.000And we know that Mac OS has a similar backdoor, except that it's Apple that can forcibly impose changes.
01:38:30.000They can change anything they want in the software, which means they can wipe the floor with whoever is using that machine.
01:38:38.000So, in effect, these two systems have no security at all against that particular company.
01:38:48.000Senators coming out, a real-life example of this, saying, oh, we'll just make it where if we think you downloaded music illegally or videos, no court, no jury, we'll just, quote, fry your computer.
01:38:59.000That's where all this remote access comes in.
01:39:01.000And there's so many things we could talk about.
01:39:35.000In fact, a PC today, any PC today, is pretty powerful compared with the machines that people were using 10 years ago.
01:39:44.000And the disks that they're making today are so big, why would you ever feel you need to store your data someplace other than in your own computer or your own office or your own bedroom?
01:39:58.000You can't even get the disks nowadays that I used to think were very big ten years ago.
01:40:05.000Now they don't make anything that small.
01:40:07.000So we should resist this tendency and I think it's a sort of marketing hype phenomenon and buzzwords are being invented including the term cloud computing which is so nebulous that nobody can really tell what it means.
01:40:27.000It means a different thing depending on who's using it.
01:40:31.000So it's not really a coherent thing to talk about.
01:41:03.000Of course, mainly that's likely to happen if somebody with power is mistreating you, but they can always do that.
01:41:10.000So the point is, there's no particular harm from if you want to publish something from putting it on some server somewhere.
01:41:17.000But when you don't want to publish it, Then the only way to keep it privately is to keep it in your disk.
01:41:27.000And to use your copy of free software to do your computing.
01:41:31.000Well, Mr. Stallman, you know, we can kind of get into the detailed minutiae of this, and I want to do that in the limited time we have with you today, and we respect your time.
01:41:38.000How about the big picture of what the infrastructure, the architecture of the web has been, what the establishment and, you know, is fighting to change it over to where they have control versus what you, you know, somebody who's really fought for, you know, true freedom on the Internet, should be?
01:41:56.000Well, we see a lot of ways in which people are trying to take more control.
01:42:01.000Software as a service is one of these ways.
01:42:05.000In order for you to have control of your computing, you've got to do it with your copy of a free program.
01:42:13.000If a program you use isn't free, freedom respecting that is, that means the developer controls it and the users don't.
01:42:20.000So that way you've lost control over your computing.
01:42:23.000But if you're doing your computing in somebody else's server, you've also lost control.
01:42:30.000Because that means you're using his copy of the program, whatever program it is, not your copy.
01:42:36.000So he has control over it, and you don't.
01:42:39.000So the way to prevent that from happening to you is, insist on doing your computing in your computer with your copy of a free program.
01:42:52.000I was talking to an IT person for the biggest grocery chain in the nation.
01:42:58.000They have, I think, 25 different chains under them.
01:43:02.000He didn't want me to say the name, but he listed and sent me documents of the German company.
01:43:06.000And then I search engine it and found the German company that's running more than half of the supermarket supply chain systems and warehouse chain systems for the food.
01:43:31.000And McDonald's suddenly you can't use credit cards half the time when you're there because it's the softwares that are controlled by a company.
01:43:39.000And it lets the other companies just have a window in to these other big mega corporations realize the amount of power they're turning over.
01:44:08.000And the point is, the business is probably going to use computers, and it deserves to have control over its own computing, just as you and I do.
01:44:19.000But the propaganda of business says, just think of short-term profit.
01:44:26.000Don't think of anybody's long-term interest, not even your own.
01:44:31.000So this is why it's so common that if you let a corporation own some kind of permanent useful thing, the corporation will strip it.
01:44:42.000Because it's looking for short-term profit.
01:44:44.000That's one of the problems of our economic system that we have wedged ourselves into.
01:44:50.000That's what they're doing now with the automakers.
01:44:52.000They're forcing them to sell off in pieces and literally strip mine it.
01:44:57.000What about net neutrality and how they're saying with Internet2 you'll have a subdomain like on a MySpace or a YouTube and that then they're going to try, Internet2 claims their own documents.
01:45:10.000I don't know about this, but I know a lot of people will fight it.
01:45:13.000For instance, the Free Software Foundation is not going to start posting its stuff through somebody else's server.
01:45:19.000everybody into the new system that the new york times said a month ago has less freedom but is quote safer i don't know about this uh...
01:45:28.000but i know a lot of people will fight it for instance the free software foundation is not going to start posting that stuff to somebody else's server we run our own servers and i hope that other people will continue to do so
01:45:45.000So basically, the more we build the original, real, true web, so it's really a battle of architecture then, and then we choose, just like you would choose to buy organic food to then build that market so you have more choices, we choose to use the open license software and things?
01:46:04.000Well, of course, I'm not in favor of making software open.
01:46:07.000I speak of free software because it's freedom respecting.
01:46:11.000There are other people who are basically the people who like this software, but they don't want to talk about freedom.
01:46:17.000They coined another term, which is, quote, open source, unquote, which is a way they can promote their views where they don't want to talk about that issue.
01:46:34.000Yes, we can choose by what we do, whether to use these massive corporate, invite everybody to put their data into these mega servers, or we can choose otherwise.
01:46:51.000But we have to organize politically too.
01:46:54.000We can't expect individual choice and market mechanisms to always protect our freedom.
01:47:00.000We have to organize to protect our freedom.
01:47:06.000Can't wait to get into some other topics with you and talk about the organization as well.
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01:49:23.000The Obama deception completely destroys the myth that Obama is working for the best interest of the American people.
01:49:32.000He's fudged since day one of this election.
01:49:34.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascist.
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01:51:23.000Richard Stallman's our guest, internet icon.
01:51:26.000Sir, is it better to just have folks go to GNU.org, the foundation there, or what are some other sites folks can visit to read your writings and analysis and breakdowns?
01:51:39.000GNU.org, GNU.org, is the website about the GNU system and the free software movement.
01:51:46.000The Free Software Foundation has a website, FFF.org.
01:51:51.000And there you can find things like resource information, lists of useful free programs, lists of hardware devices that don't require any non-free programs, people who provide support as a business for free software, and other useful things.
01:52:09.000And you could also join the Free Software Foundation, which is the main way that we pay our staff.
01:52:15.000Now, I'm a volunteer, but the staff get paid.
01:52:18.000Sure, folks should definitely join that because we probably wouldn't have as much freedom as we have now if it wasn't for you guys.
01:52:27.000But just because I do lease a lot of servers and CDNs and own some, I know some about it.
01:52:34.000And always talking to IT people, you know, they talk about how The free software that you're discussing, and they semantically call it open source to try to take away the branding and semantically control it, is a lot harder to break into, a lot harder for people to control.
01:53:14.000It's just that they don't respect your freedom.
01:53:16.000So, it's true, however, quite often they have very bad security, even against third parties.
01:53:25.000For instance, with cell phones, there are viruses that can get into cell phones.
01:53:33.000So, They can then invoke the cell phone's ability to turn on as a listening device without ringing, without showing any sign that it's making a call.
01:53:46.000It's still listening to the sound that comes in to the microphone, like whatever conversation you're having with people, and sending that to whoever.
01:53:56.000But you may be safer if you use a cell phone.
01:54:22.000This one's short, but another question.
01:54:25.000And again, all these IT people and hackers send me this stuff, and it's mainline Pentagon reports and Air Force, Cyber Command, San Antonio, and it's the general commanding their forces to attack our own Internet, to test its strengths and weaknesses, and then I've seen, hackers have told me and I've seen some blurbs about how it's really the government hacking the hospitals and hacking power plants to then have a pretext to bring in more of their own control.
01:54:51.000Are you familiar with government's false flagging or staging attacks on their own systems as a pretext to get more funding and control?
01:54:59.000Well, I don't know about any instances of that on the internet.
01:55:09.000I haven't read about, I haven't read news about a thing like that that I recall, but it wouldn't surprise me that much.
01:55:17.000I mean, if you could have the Gulf of Tonkin incident, and you could have the supposed weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, then I guess, why wouldn't they lie about who is, you know, I wouldn't put it past them.
01:55:36.000To stage such an attack and lie about it, but that doesn't mean that I know that they're doing so.
01:55:41.000Sure, yeah, that really wasn't in the news.
01:55:45.000It's mainly bizarre, hour-long video briefings with the Air Force and people.
01:55:51.000And, I mean, I'm sure you did hear about the head of cybersecurity a couple months ago quit and said, the Feds are taking over the web, I won't be part of this.
01:55:58.000I mean, when their own head of cybersecurity quits, I think we have a big problem here.
01:56:04.000Yeah, I didn't read about that, and now that I've heard it from you, I'll take a look.
01:56:08.000Now there's so much going on, I can't keep track of it all either, and it was only in a few articles.
01:56:14.000When we come back, I want to talk about how do we save the internet?
01:56:18.000How do we make it more free versus the architecture that it seems to be leaning towards?
01:56:23.000Go ahead and start down those lines, sir.
01:56:25.000Well, my work will help you make sure that your computer is under your control.
01:56:31.000But beyond that, there's nothing that each one of us can directly do.
01:56:36.000So if there's censorship or if there is, say, surveillance going on in the Internet that connects you to me, Neither you nor I can simply make a change to turn that off.
01:56:53.000The only way I know of we could stop that... Well, stay there!
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02:02:31.000Again, sir, I'm literally a troglodyte when it comes to all these terms.
02:02:35.000Again, reintroduce yourself for folks that don't know, and I'm just going to sit back, shut up, and hear what your solutions are, ways to fight this.
02:02:42.000You got cut off by the break with how do we stop the government, governments, Well, what I started 25 years ago was developing a free software operating system called GNU.
02:02:59.000Well, what I started 25 years ago was developing a free software operating system called GNU.
02:03:07.000The idea is free software is software that respects your freedom, and you control it.
02:03:13.000The users control it individually if they know how and want to go to the trouble, but also the users collectively control it.
02:03:22.000Any group of users that want the program to work a certain way, they're free to develop their version which works that way.
02:03:29.000Those who know how to program do it, and those who have the same preferences use that version, and if they don't like that version, they use some other version.
02:03:39.000And you could also pay people to make the changes you want.
02:03:43.000So, for instance, your show, if you wanted to change a free program, well, you personally don't know how, maybe none of your staff knows how, but there are companies that would make those changes, just as there are carpenters you could hire to make changes in your office.
02:03:59.000And they'll just do the work the way you want it done.
02:04:03.000And if you want to change it again some other day, you can hire somebody else, because nobody has a monopoly.
02:04:09.000It's a free market, this business of support for free software.
02:04:14.000And does that allow a kind of evolution?
02:04:16.000It seems like where the non-free softwares are stagnant, except for minor changes, this accelerates development, doesn't it?
02:04:25.000I won't claim that all Non-free programs are stagnant.
02:04:29.000That depends how much work the developer is putting in, but regardless of whether it makes fast progress or slow progress, it makes progress in the direction that the developer wants.
02:04:41.000And if there's something the developer doesn't want you to be able to do, like for instance, access a certain file more than five times, he'll program it not to let you.
02:04:54.000Proprietary programs frequently have these malicious features, which we call Digital Restrictions Management, or DRM, or Digital Handcuffs.
02:05:04.000They are designed to stop you from doing things.
02:05:07.000So that program may not be your servant, it may be your prison guard.
02:05:14.000In any case, these are things that we can take control of ourselves.
02:05:18.000We can free ourselves and each other and that's what we've been doing in the free software movement since I started it.
02:05:25.000But there are other areas where we just can't solve the problem that way.
02:05:31.000Surveillance in the internet service provider.
02:05:35.000We can't stop that by choosing to use a different program in our own computers because it's not happening in our computers.
02:05:43.000It's happening in some central office.
02:05:46.000Now, one thing that helps somewhat is to use programs like the GDU Privacy Guard for encryption of the messages and files we send each other.
02:05:57.000But even that, even encryption doesn't do the whole job.
02:06:02.000And when there is censorship, you know in Australia, the main organization that fights for civil liberties on the internet, which is Electronic Frontiers Australia, was Forced to take down a link that they had put up in a discussion of censorship, showing what kinds of things are getting censored.
02:06:24.000Well, they were forced to take down that link on the threat of being fined $11,000 a day.
02:06:32.000They've announced, the government itself calls it Chinese-style net censorship, and proudly are now issuing hundreds and hundreds of sites, they're now saying thousands, on these lists that you can't visit, you can't link to, and then you can't link and say, look, WikiLeaks, leaking government documents, you can't even say that's been censored.
02:06:56.000Yeah, well, the Australian government has been trashing human rights For many years, typically in the name of preventing terrorism, as many other governments are doing, you know, any given week their excuse is either terrorists or pedophiles.
02:07:16.000But neither of them is anywhere near as dangerous as governments that don't respect our freedom.
02:07:36.000I mean, if citizens and companies try to go with free software solutions and support groups like yours, what else can we do?
02:07:45.000I mean, I guess we vote with our dollars, we vote with our time.
02:07:48.000I mean, what... I mean, let's say I'm a company with twenty-something... For centralized surveillance and censorship, they don't let you vote with your time or with your dollars.
02:08:00.000Now, if you're in Australia, And you want to make links to these forbidden sites?
02:08:05.000For instance, the political sites that talk about Australian censorship?
02:08:09.000But, you can't do that by picking one company over another.
02:08:13.000You'd have to put your site outside Australia.
02:08:16.000And then maybe Australia wouldn't let anybody link to your site.
02:08:20.000That's what Australia is saying they're going to do, is block most of the web.
02:08:23.000But I mean, that's the key, is that that's what Homeland Security has announced, that they're going to take over all the infrastructure, even of private companies, and as indentured servants, they have to allow It is, and the solution I've been using is no good for this.
02:08:58.000We have to organize politically in mass organizations.
02:09:03.000The only organization that I know of in the U.S., that fights against these things is the Electronic Frontier Foundation, although I think the American Civil Liberties Union fights also against some of them.
02:09:18.000So both of those organizations deserve your support.
02:09:23.000You know, is it that Americans and Australians and British and others have had so much freedom in the past, we can't believe it's happening here?
02:09:29.000Or have we lied to ourselves about how much freedom was really in our society?
02:09:35.000I think that it's a combination of both.
02:09:38.000It's certainly the case that there was much less surveillance of all our communication in the past.
02:09:48.000You see, this is one thing that digital technology makes much easier.
02:09:54.000In the 1960s, I don't think anything kept track of who you called locally.
02:10:03.000It just counted up how many calls you made and sometimes how long they were.
02:10:09.000The only thing you got on your bill was long distance calls because they were expensive and people wanted to know what they were being billed for.
02:10:18.000Now, in France, after World War II, The government insisted that the phone company must not keep any records of who called whom.
02:10:29.000And the reason was that when the Nazis took over France, they looked at those records to see who spoke to whom, and that way if they knew that one person seemed to be possibly a center of political opposition, they would not only arrest him, but they would question all the people he tended to make phone calls to.
02:10:52.000After the war, the French government and various other governments in Europe established rules that the phone companies were not allowed to keep track.
02:11:04.000However, of course, they've changed all that.
02:11:31.000That people are real mad that a guy's friend sent him a message saying don't blow up the train because he was going on a ride and they were there waiting for him when he got to the train station.
02:11:42.000It was another case in an airport where they made a joke in another European country and they admitted they said oh no the phone companies have AI NSA type keyword Reading all of it, and then flagging it, everything is red.
02:11:57.000And that kind of freaked the French out to realize, but the same thing's going on here now.
02:12:04.000Well, one thing people can do about that is just throw these things randomly into phone calls, the way they do, the way people have done for decades, randomly into their messages.
02:12:18.000I don't know if anybody was ever looking for keywords in messages to decide to read them, but if people have fun at least.
02:12:30.000Setting up programs that would automatically put such keywords into their mail.
02:12:34.000No, the NSA admits they do that, and that's one of the 20-year-old technologies, as I'm sure you know.
02:12:38.000You're being humbled, but no, I mean, in fact, there was articles in like 2002 where they were complaining that citizens... What's the term for that where I say, yeah, I got the football, I got the green stuff.
02:12:52.000Yeah, did you hear about that nuke that's going to go off?
02:13:00.000So, yeah, this new processor is nine times faster than anything else IBM's got.
02:13:04.000But don't let Bob know, I'm going to be delivering it next Tuesday, that that just drives them completely ape.
02:13:09.000Well, I hope so, because if we keep them busy enough, maybe they won't attack us as much.
02:13:18.000But I have a feeling that that won't solve the problem.
02:13:21.000Really, I don't see anything that's going to solve this problem except talking about freedom and demanding freedom and condemning the government to tax on our freedom and rejecting the excuses.
02:13:47.000I wish I knew some clever technical method that could protect our freedom.
02:13:53.000I was lucky, you know, in one particular area I saw a way that through technical work we could protect our freedom, but only particular aspects of our freedom.
02:14:03.000All the others, well, they're different.
02:14:10.000Well, we're really appreciative of your time, sir.
02:14:12.000Other facets, other points that people should be made aware of from your research and others' research that are real threats to freedom right now, because it seems not just threats, we have this surveillance being institutionalized to where there's just no such thing as a Fourth Amendment.
02:14:42.000The argument usually is if a policeman could see it from the street, then he's got a right to look.
02:14:48.000And that made sense, sort of, in 1960.
02:14:53.000But now, with computers that can record so much data, if it's okay for the police to set up cameras and other kinds of sensors, Everywhere.
02:15:06.000To keep track of everything that a policeman could theoretically have possibly seen from a public place about you and put all that together.
02:15:22.000Four million cameras, and now they've made it illegal to videotape the police, and they walk up and threaten to arrest tourists now videotaping monuments.
02:15:30.000I mean, you know, government is way out of control because private corporate interests have turned government into nothing but their little lapdogs.
02:15:37.000Yes, and a large part of the cause of this, actually, is so-called free trade treaties, which I'd rather call low-wage treaties.
02:15:47.000Because these treaties take the power from governments and give them to businesses.
02:15:56.000The businesses say to the governments, if you don't do exactly what we want, we'll move to some other country.
02:16:03.000And the governments respond by saying, oh yes, we'll do whatever you want.
02:16:08.000Of course, the politicians mostly aren't really strongly imbued with a wish to do anything else.
02:16:16.000And they probably are Somehow going to get rewarded for going along, but when the people go to them and say, we demand you regulate this practice, the politicians have a ready excuse.
02:16:29.000They say, well, given this treaty, The companies will all just move to another country, so it's futile to even try to regulate them.
02:16:38.000And then that creates a global standardized corporate law, which has no liberty, no freedom, no due process.
02:16:45.000They call that globalism, and then they hire a bunch of phony leftists and right-wingers to go around pushing it and spewing it, and now they're trying to move Internet control into these international bodies.
02:16:57.000Do you think the Internet's going to survive?
02:17:01.000I tend to be somewhat of a pessimist by nature.
02:17:06.000It's just that even if I feel discouraged, I keep on fighting.
02:17:11.000So, it's not particularly bad that I'm a pessimist, but the point is, if I tried to answer that question, all I could do is tell you my pessimism, which doesn't prove anything.
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02:19:31.000He's fudged since day one in this election.
02:19:34.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascist.
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02:21:39.000You know, we notice that the media and the establishment have tried to demonize the internet, sir.
02:21:44.000And they've tried to, but now they're kind of having to join it, but they still demonize it at the same time.
02:21:48.000I'm pessimistic, but I'm also positive that they've tried to control it and demonize it and kind of mutate it before, and that they are getting a lot of what they want in the way of tyranny, but in a way people are just ignoring them, and we're going around them.
02:22:05.000Or, final comments on that front, anything positive?
02:22:08.000Um, you may be partly right, but you know, I don't keep track of the things that are working well.
02:22:14.000I read the news about the threats and the outrages.
02:22:19.000So yeah, I keep on using the internet to talk with people about the free software movement.
02:22:25.000I continue posting links to articles about various kinds of outrages typically committed by governments and religious fanatics and So far I haven't been stopped from doing this.
02:22:47.000How do folks visit the two different organizations?
02:22:49.000How do they support what you're doing, sir?
02:22:51.000Well, there's GNU.org, which is the site of the GNU system and the Free Software Movement.
02:22:56.000There's FFF.org, which is the Free Software Foundation, where they can join and get other resources.
02:23:02.000And my personal site is Stallman.org, and that's where I post Uh, notes about other political issues and anything else I want to post that doesn't fit into those two organizations.
02:23:17.000Stahlman is the right place to read your writings and more research.
02:23:20.000Well, sir, next time we won't keep you for 50 minutes, but next time you'll come back on as things develop and unfold a few times a year, we'd like to get more reports from you.
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