Dr. Paul Craig Roberts joins Alex Jones on the show to talk about why the Chinese are laughing at us and why we should be worried about what's going on in Washington. Dr. Roberts was the former editor of the Wall Street Journal, former head of policy at the Department of the Treasury, and the father of Reaganomics. He has been listed by many publications as one of the top 10 or top 50 economists out there, and has been a critic of many of the fake neocons that he was a big critic of.
00:00:28.000Ladies and gentlemen, until about 45 after so, we have Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on the line with us today.
00:00:35.000and And Dr. Roberts, of course, was the former editor of the Wall Street Journal, former head of policy at the Department of the Treasury, number two there, the father of Reaganomics.
00:00:47.000Uh, has been listed by many publications as one of the top 10 or top 50 economists out there.
00:00:52.000And you have all these fake neocons that he was a big critic of.
00:00:55.000He hoped Obama was going to do what he said he did, and I know lately he's been saying, my gosh, it looks like he could actually be worse if that was possible.
00:01:01.000Bush only tripled government, Obama's doubled it in one year, so that'd be...
00:01:06.000be a, I guess, tenfold increase instead of a tripling in four years to eight years, depending on how you cut it or slice it.
00:01:12.000So he's with us to talk about that, some of his columns that are syndicated, why the Chinese laughed at us, and where all this is going.
00:01:22.000Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, good to have you here, my friend.
00:01:28.000I mean, there's a lot going on, but what state are we in right now with the White House grabbing industries, telling banks what to do, saying nobody can audit them, they're above the law.
00:01:39.000Obama going back on everything he said.
00:02:42.000I think what may happen is that just the general overreach of the United States government, the economic, Overreach, you know, the foreign policy, the military, they just overreach in so many places that they get so many problems that they suffer a huge defeat.
00:03:05.000I think defeat is what they're headed for.
00:03:09.000If we think about the Iraq War and all the trouble, the long, drawn-out process until we finally Uh, caught on and started paying off the insurgents with money.
00:03:22.000If you think about all that trouble, why do they want to get in ten times as much trouble in Pakistan and Afghanistan?
00:03:31.000Much larger, more rugged countries, meaner people.
00:03:36.000It doesn't make a great deal of sense.
00:03:39.000You would think they would have learned.
00:03:41.000Good gosh, we came close to Getting our butts kicked in Iraq, what do we want to take even worse risk?
00:03:51.000And then if you look at the financial policy and you say, well look, we let the financial gangsters make fools of us and deregulate them and turn them loose.
00:04:03.000They've wiped out half of the savings of the American people, people who Denied themselves the consumption and put away money for their old age, and now the banksters have destroyed half of it, and we let them con us into deregulating them and giving them a free hand to rip people off.
00:05:33.000The world hasn't got that money to finance it.
00:05:36.000And so that financing problem, I think, is going to threaten the dollar's role as a reserve currency.
00:05:47.000And, of course, that weakens the power of the United States because the real power of the country is not based on some kind of inherent right that we have.
00:06:01.000It's based on the fact that we have the reserve currency and can pay our bills and our own currency.
00:06:06.000So if we lose that, we've lost the bulk of our power.
00:06:09.000And yet they're taking great risk with that important power by adding $4 trillion in two years.
00:06:21.000And it's not just what they're adding to the accumulated federal debt, which is large.
00:06:27.000It's the fact that they've got to come up with $2 trillion in borrowed money this year, another $2 trillion in borrowed money next year.
00:06:35.000And there's not $2 trillion anywhere in the world to lend us.
00:06:39.000And so there's only two places that money can come from.
00:06:43.000One is another sharp decline in the stock market in which equity holders flee from stocks for the safety of government bonds.
00:06:56.000That's one way they can finance the deficit.
00:07:00.000The only other way is to print the money.
00:07:04.000And if they print the money, and the world will notice it.
00:07:08.000In fact, the Chinese have been complaining for six months or more.
00:07:14.000About the possibility that we're going to print the money to finance us.
00:07:19.000And they keep complaining in louder and louder voices.
00:07:22.000And recently, in Beijing, the audience that the Treasury Secretary Geithner had, laughed at him!
00:07:33.000Because he was so stupid, he didn't even understand that he cannot simultaneously tell the Chinese That he wants a strong dollar, but he wants the Chinese currency to rise.
00:08:17.000He just thought he was talking to an uneducated American audience on economics instead of a Chinese group of college students who were mainly economics students.
00:08:38.000We rule the world, and the university audience laughs down the Secretary of Trade of the United States.
00:08:45.000No, I agree, but I think he's so arrogant.
00:08:47.000I mean, I think he's so arrogant he thought he'd get away with it.
00:08:49.000I agree with you that it's a big risk and that the luster, the aura, the cloak of infallibility of the private fellow reserve and these bankers and these corporate crooks is starting to fade.
00:09:00.000I mean, it's good to have their power fade, but it's also in a way bad because when they fall over like a giant oak tree on us, it could crush us.
00:09:08.000But I guess it's better than being their slaves.
00:09:10.000But the question I've got for you then on this issue is, where does it go?
00:09:18.000Isn't the Federal Reserve and the Treasury already engaged in chicanery with each other when people don't buy all the bonds they put out on the market?
00:09:29.000And then B, isn't this like a Mexican standoff?
00:09:34.000it's kind of crazy like a fox or a method of the madness.
00:09:37.000Bernanke and them know that China has its main investments with us, so if they start dumping the dollar, they're going to destroy their own market.
00:09:45.000But at a point, it won't matter because it will start inflating currencies.
00:09:52.000Well, so far, Alex, it's going just as I predicted.
00:09:56.000I said that when they announced they were going to buy a trillion dollars of debt, $300 billion in Treasury bonds and $700 billion in mortgage bonds, I said, well, that's monetization, and that's going to drive up the interest rates and drive down the bond prices.
00:10:13.000And lo and behold, exactly what happened.
00:10:16.000Interest rates have risen on the treasuries, and the prices, which is the reverse of that, have gone down.
00:10:45.000And so I would imagine, as the Fed buys up more of the bonds they're issuing to finance this year's budget deficit, the interest rates are going to go Rise higher.
00:10:58.000And so then they're faced with what do we do about the real estate crisis?
00:11:11.000And so I think they've, that's what I say, that they're creating more problems than they can manage and they will be devoured Dr. Paul Gregg Roberts got a break again.
00:11:41.000Come back and continue explaining that to people.
00:11:43.000Yeah, I mean, they supposedly owe all these trillions in TARP money, but now it's harder to get a mortgage.
00:11:48.000They're using the money to buy up other banks and insurance companies and having the government come in and order banks In their activities.
00:11:57.000We'll talk about the whole Bank of America scandal when we get back with Dr. Paul Greg Roberts.
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00:13:24.000He's fudged since day one in this election.
00:13:26.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascism.
00:14:19.000How is it that we the people grow the cotton, weave it into fabric, engrave the ink, embed the strips and fibers that protect it from counterfeit, then cart the money off to a privately owned bank to have it lent back to us at interest, forcing us to pay taxes to service the debt?
00:14:34.000This is the most important Is this capitalism, or was Jefferson correct when he said, a central bank issuing a public currency is a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army?
00:16:33.000Father of Reaganomics, but we've had police shooting people in handcuffs in the back and then trying to claim they attacked them and then hidden camera stuff gets released and they just shoot the guy for no reason.
00:16:43.000We have police shooting people's little dogs all over the news.
00:16:46.000When they come to your house now and the chihuahua barks, they kill it, saying it was a threat to the officers, literally.
00:16:53.000And we've got the military and the police training everywhere.
00:16:55.000The TSA announced in the Associated Press yesterday that in Boston and New York, everyone will be searched and everyone, I don't know how they're going to do this, but it says everyone, will be put through those body scanners, you know, that are called, you know, the naked scanners in the news that show your body.
00:17:11.000And that the FBI wants them to set up TSA-style security at America's biggest malls.
00:17:19.000And your book, The Tyranny of Good Intentions, I don't think it really is even good intentions, but it tells all these amazing stories and how the Bill of Rights is being abolished.
00:17:27.000The second edition's out right now, brand new.
00:17:31.000And in the few minutes we got left in this little short segment, I mean, it looks like it's premeditated here as they implode the economy and they've set up NORTHCOM now and they say they're going to use army troops on us, but I don't see that working as society continues to implode.
00:17:49.000I mean, first of all, this couldn't possibly have anything to do with terrorists, because they haven't bombed any subways or any shopping centers.
00:17:59.000And as far as we can tell, the only terrorists that have been uncovered in the United States are people that the FBI stirred up and led, and talked into doing things with promises of large sums of money.
00:18:19.000Since there aren't any terrorists, and the FBI has to go out and find really incompetent and somewhat unintelligent people to bribe with money to say that they want to go be a terrorist, then we're not under any attack.
00:18:40.000So there's no reason for any of this body scanning, other than to further Make the American people accept searches without warrants, because that's basically what they're doing to you.
00:18:57.000They're searching you without a warrant.
00:18:59.000Now, the claim on the air travel is that, oh, but you see, if you don't want to be searched, you don't have to fly.
00:19:14.000And since flying is so vulnerable, you're up in the air, and we can't Have anybody a danger to the other passengers?
00:19:22.000Well, of course, going to malls is not that kind of argument at all.
00:19:30.000There's no vulnerabilities other than what you would find from being mugged or hit by a car or anything else when you go out.
00:19:41.000And so, there's no special vulnerabilities, and so it has nothing to do with anything Except training us to be good little citizens of a police state.
00:19:56.000Oh, yes, but the next thing they will do then is say we have to have implants so they'll know where we are at all times.
00:20:05.000The Mexican Attorney General made his employees take them three years ago.
00:20:09.000Well, I don't know what's behind all this other than just bureaucracy running amok.
00:20:20.000We can look for conspiracies, but the trouble I always have with all these conspiracies is it assumes that they're so much smarter than they ever show any signs of being.
00:20:32.000I don't think they're even that smart.
00:20:34.000They have the instinct of control freaks.
00:20:36.000Okay, that's, they just, it's a bureaucracy that always wants more power.
00:20:43.000So if technology presents new opportunities, then they seize it and they And they use it, but... I suppose people... If the American people were clued in, which unfortunately not very many of them are, they all need to listen to your show.
00:21:01.000But if they were clued in, then they could just boycott the malls.
00:21:09.000And then the malls... And the subways and the rest of it.
00:21:12.000You don't have to use... Subways is kind of harder, I guess, for New Yorkers, because they've got to be able to get around a city that's But you could certainly boycott the malls.
00:21:25.000And then that would contribute to the commercial real estate collapse and people would probably make the government back off.
00:21:32.000Well, as you know, sir, they've done studies.
00:21:34.000A lot of people don't fly now because they don't like having the illegal aliens that run security jab them and scream at them.
00:21:39.000I want to ask you about the MIAC and DHS reports we broke a few months ago, listing conservatives and people as terrorists and the whole in the Fed movement, where you see that going with auditing the Fed.
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00:25:39.000We broke that they had InfraGard here before it was in the mainstream news, getting 56,000 executives with shoot-to-kill orders during martial law ready to watch their employees.
00:25:50.000The clergy response teams Now, over 40,000 of those we know of.
00:25:57.000Then it came on the news years after we had the secret documents saying, oh yes, the clergy's preparing their flocks to hand in their guns, go to FEMA camps.
00:26:11.000And then now the DHS report comes out and says Ron Paul supporters, people that want to audit the Fed.
00:26:17.000We got the documents from the Army, leaked to us, and the Army admitted to the news that they were spying on Ron Paul in Houston and me in Dallas protesting the Fed last year and listed us as potential terrorists and told the military in plain clothes, Army intelligence, don't let them know you're military, they may kill you.
00:26:36.000I mean, this country's just got secret police all over it, and now they want to have secret arrests.
00:26:41.000They've said no more Bill of Rights, basically no more Fourth Amendment, warrantless wiretappings, A-OK, the courts have ruled, the Congress has passed a law.
00:26:50.000And then Dr. Roberts, I mean, you've been saying for years here on the air that they're gearing up to make the American people the enemy.
00:26:56.000Now they say in the DHS report the number one potential threat is veterans?
00:27:01.000And gun owners and Ron Paul supporters.
00:27:11.000Well, I think, you know, it shows the brown shirt mentality that I've been writing about for several years.
00:27:18.000It shows how they've taken patriotism of people who are not particularly bright and turned it into a brown shirt mentality where they're prepared now to turn on anyone who can be demonized.
00:27:32.000And so, the government is obviously going to demonize people who are associated with the defense of civil liberties.
00:27:43.000I mean, now you have Bob Barr and Ron Paul.
00:27:46.000And so, and it'll be the ACLU, and it'll be libertarians in general, and anybody who says, We have these rights and it's illegal under statutory law and also unconstitutional for you and the government to violate these rights.
00:28:39.000The Founding Fathers would all be arrested as dangers to state power.
00:28:46.000So I think that's what we are faced with.
00:28:49.000And one check to it, of course, is an armed population, if they're prepared to use the But of course the kind of guns we have are not very powerful compared to what the state can wield.
00:29:08.000And the other check to this development that we're discussing, I call it the Brown Shirt Movement, is that the government overreaches, which we talked about earlier, and finds its power shaken, suffers some big defeats and humiliations, and that this breaks the whole.
00:29:29.000That it's acquiring over people's minds and bodies.
00:29:34.000So, other than that, I don't think there's going to be any kind of a political movement or reformers in Washington that are going to be able to roll this back.
00:29:50.000There are still enough people on the federal bench that weren't put there by the Federalist Society who Who still believe in a balance of powers and civil liberties, and the courts may slow this process down.
00:30:09.000And let's hope they do, because the more it's slowed down, the more likely the power of the federal government is going to crack from its hubris and arrogance and overextension.
00:30:21.000I don't think the entire world is prepared to put up with the United States.
00:30:26.000They put up with us for a long time because we were saving them from the Soviet Union, or so they fought, and then because of the money we give them.
00:30:36.000But if the money goes and loses its magic because it gets inflated away, or the economy goes so much that there's no money to give anybody over there to control their governments and buy them, then they just don't cooperate with us in the same ways.
00:30:54.000And that would produce massive problems for the United States if China or Japan and Russia or Europe or the Saudis decided that cooperating with us was not any longer in their interest the way it had been in the past, or was less in their interest, or that less cooperation was more in their interest.
00:31:19.000This would produce enormous problems for the United States and would undermine the ability to imprison us all in some way or the other.
00:31:31.000So how long are they going to put up with it?
00:31:36.000Well, I mean, here, how long can the corruption just burgeon and spill out like a plague of locusts eating our flesh to the bone?
00:31:43.000I mean, how long can the arrogance and the hubris and the just open tyranny and open torture and open secret arrest and open wars and open lies, I mean, how long can evil be called good and good called evil?
00:31:57.000How long will the world put up with this?
00:31:58.000Where do you see this developing into now?
00:32:01.000Well, I think that if it's That the American people are unlikely to call a halt to it.
00:32:11.000If the halt is called, it'll be from foreigners.
00:32:14.000Our so-called NATO puppet states will cease to be puppet states.
00:32:58.000It does, but I do agree with you that that's their intention.
00:33:02.000Their intention is to tyrannize us and the rest of the world.
00:33:08.000But I don't think, and I of course may be wrong, that they have the financial and moral and leadership and military power to achieve that.
00:33:20.000And when you think about them occupying the United States when they can occupy Baghdad, Dr. Roberts, you were in Washington, you were in the White House, you were at the highest levels of government.
00:33:34.000When I watch Glenn Beck posing as one of us, but saying, arrest Ron Paul supporters, use the army on us, that this horrible Bruner guy, or whatever his name is at the Jewish Center, that he's a Ron Paul supporter, and he has CIA guys on, saying that militia people work with Al Qaeda.
00:34:16.000movement, it's going to the floor, they're trying to pull out every trick they've got, saying society will collapse and we audit the Fed.
00:34:23.000Can you speak to that and how it ties into Bank of America and GM and these companies being forced to be cut up and given to foreign interests?
00:34:32.000All right, I'll say two things briefly.
00:34:34.000One, having been in the Reagan administration, I don't think anybody there, certainly not Reagan, none of us could possibly have conceived of where the United States would be.
00:34:46.000you know, a quarter of a century later.
00:34:48.000This type of behavior, I don't think we could even have conceived of it.
00:34:54.000We would have thought it was some kind of science fiction film or something.
00:35:01.000I never saw any of those kinds of intentions.
00:35:04.000It wasn't anything that If anybody was concerned with it, it was going on, it certainly wasn't anything that ever reached my ears or awareness.
00:35:16.000And I don't think it had anything whatsoever to do with Reagan or his intentions or what he was trying to do.
00:35:22.000So there's been that big of a flip-flop and change in Washington culture, it's just... In a quarter of a century, something has happened that none of us could have even dreamed of.
00:35:34.000Now, the question on auditing the Fed, it must be audited.
00:35:38.000The Fed doesn't want to be audited because they're allowed to use their profits for their own expenses.
00:35:47.000And then whatever's left, they are supposed to turn into the Treasury.
00:35:52.000So they probably don't want anyone to learn about their expenses.
00:35:57.000They probably live a grand life, you know, they have that Uh, plays up in Jackson Hole where they go every year for their conferences and it's just, you know, it's a grand life and they probably don't want anybody to see the expenses.
00:36:14.000Now, of course, there may be other reasons they don't want to be audited, but I don't think a democracy or any kind of government can afford to have elements of it that aren't audited.
00:36:28.000Now, when the General Accounting Office has tried to audit various parts of the United States government, such as the Pentagon or any cabinet level agency, they've often said that the information is so bad we can't do an audit.
00:36:43.000And so what we have is a situation where the United States government puts private firms in prison for having bad accounting practices, but itself has no accounting practices that could even be audited.
00:36:54.000Well, the Pentagon, in hearings four years ago, said they had two plus trillion missing, and I've got Rumsfeld on video saying, I don't know where it is and we're not going to ever tell you.
00:38:10.000What is going to happen that when the dollar finally dies or finally falls apart, or is no longer completely a monopolar system, for a season, a few years, they'll still be the big military?
00:38:29.000So will they use the military right when it implodes, as the Rand Corporation says they may, to start World War III as a cover, or will it just implode?
00:38:37.000I think it'll just implode, because there's no money.
00:40:04.000They try to get something for it in order to, and so they're not gonna all sit there and say, "Oh, we can't panic because we'll drive the price down." Have you ever seen that happen in the stock market?
00:40:32.000You know, everything you hear is a lie, just like you say.
00:40:36.000Well, in closing, it was not barbarians that laughed at Geithner when he told them everything was going to be just dandy and that they could have their money rise and that their dollar investments wouldn't fall, which is ridiculous.
00:40:52.000Obviously, keeping their yawn low has helped keep the dollars high so they can keep selling their goods, for those that don't understand that basic equation.
00:41:01.000But in our final equation here, This is just like with the Romans in 300, 350, 410 when Alaric sat Rome.
00:41:12.000The barbarians began laughing when they said we'll give you lead as money and they knew real value and it looks like that's starting to happen.
00:41:19.000You know, like the Chinese were laughing at Geithner offering him lead.
00:41:31.000Alright, well what, a lot of smart money, people that I've seen me write in the past are saying they think things are really going to, fireworks in October, or who knows?
00:41:40.000Alex, just keep in mind, it wasn't that long ago that gold was $35 an ounce.
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00:46:51.000It makes me wonder how I keep from going under.
00:46:52.000You know, I've always had a pretty good attitude, but things have gotten really stressful as we get more and more attention and, you know, fighting the new world order.
00:47:06.000But I've just learned to trust in God and make sure I get my exercise every day, and that really boosts me and gets me positive.
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00:51:59.000Well, for the next 30 minutes, Daniel Sanjata for the next 30 minutes, Daniel Sanjata is our guest, and he's a prominent 911 cruiser. Daniel Sanjata is A very gentlemanly, intelligent, great soul.
00:52:27.000And, uh, that's the best way of describing him.
00:52:30.000And he came out to the demonstration when I got arrested a few years ago, right before 9-11, protesting the cover-up of the fact that that was an inside job there at Fox Studios.
00:52:42.000And he is also in the new New World Order film that came out on IFC.
00:52:47.000He was caught on tape there with us when I was being arrested.
00:52:50.000And of course he's the star of Rescue Me, a lot of other movies and TV shows.
00:52:54.000He had a lot of courage to go public and risk his whole Hollywood slash TV career doing what he did, just like Charlie Sheen and others did.
00:53:02.000And then even to fight to even have the show cover the topic, and I think they did it in a pretty fair fashion.
00:53:08.000Obviously, it couldn't just be our side, you know, for it to be mainstream TV.
00:53:12.000But I'm just so proud of what he's done, and he's a great asset to humanity and liberty.
00:53:16.000On top of that, it's great to have him on now.
00:53:20.000We set him up like a couple days ago, before this horrible guy went in and shot this poor security guard, supposedly.
00:53:26.000It looks like a black op to me, at this Holocaust Memorial Museum.
00:53:32.000Perfect timing when we're trying to audit the Fed for that to happen.
00:53:36.000And now they're trying to demonize Ron Paul.
00:53:38.000They're trying to demonize 9-11 truthers, saying this guy was a hero to them with no proof.
00:53:52.000We've got a few minutes before the break and a long segment coming up, but first off, tell me about Rescue Me.
00:53:56.000You really couldn't come on the air when that was all building up.
00:53:59.000You wanted to just let those programs air.
00:54:02.000It got a lot of international attention.
00:54:04.000You made some great points in the Rescue Me.
00:54:06.000We're going to play a clip of that coming up.
00:54:09.000Tell me about the process of getting that on the TV show and behind the scenes, and then what happened on air.
00:54:15.000Well, the process was just, you know, talking about it a lot on set.
00:54:18.000You know, I think that eventually, although Peter, Dennis, FX, Sony, I don't think that any of them are signing on to my perspective necessarily, but I think that they saw that there was some dramatic mileage that could be gotten out of it.
00:54:32.000I think that they saw the no-brainer that if there was a platform on mainstream television, Uh, on which to address the subject that 9-11 was the appropriate venue, or rather that rescuing it was the appropriate venue, being that it's based on post-9-11 New York City firefighters.
00:54:48.000So, you know, in the final analysis, I was very happy with the way that they treated the subject in general.
00:54:53.000I mean, it came out better than I thought, you know, than I had hoped.
00:54:57.000I guess I had wished also that there had been a little bit more of a reaction, either positive or negative.
00:55:22.000It did on talk radio across the country.
00:55:24.000The mainstream media was smart, though.
00:55:25.000They learned with Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnell to keep their mouths shut because they're trying to make us look like kooks, but then it comes out that we're really the majority as the polls show.
00:55:36.000Well, you know, I mean, at least it aired.
00:55:39.000I don't think that it could only have been good in terms of, you know, I'll tell you, I'm sorry, I'm jumping around, but I'll tell you what my favorite scene was.
00:55:47.000It was really great to be able to do those monologues where I got to, you know, list, you know, you know, let's say our side of the case.
00:55:54.000But my favorite 9-11 scene that they aired in Rescue Me was where Michael Lombardi's character, the probie, he and I are walking down the street and he's just telling me where his Need your emotional resistance to the idea kind of came from.
00:56:08.000You know, he was saying, you know, if you're telling me that, you know, that the bad guys are here in our own government, it's just kind of like too much for me to process.
00:56:16.000He was basically giving a voice to the cognitive dissonance that's responsible for a lot of people just dismissing the possibility that 9-11 could have been an inside job without ever even looking at the evidence.
00:56:44.000You know, somebody who's got a great career, really breaking out, and he does something that they try to blackball you for, that is the ultimate courage.
00:56:51.000They say, psychologically, it's easier to charge a machine gun nest to do something that is seen as socially unpopular.
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01:00:49.000That is the videos, but if they come up in the next 30 minutes, we'll play a clip of that, and we'll play some clips of Daniel Sanjada on the show, Rescue Me.
01:00:55.000Daniel, I don't want to stir up stuff with you and Dennis Leary.
01:00:59.000You're a classy guy, and you're going back for another season with him, but I'm glad that he was still part of the show, even though it had the 9-11 truth stuff in it, but I'm surprised watching this response from him Very aggressive, nice people just asking questions at a book signing, that he was even part of something that brought up 9-11 Truth.
01:01:20.000I mean, you know, Dennis gets approached by a lot of people, and I think that he, you know, I'm sure he's well aware of the controversial nature of the subject matter, you know, so to speak, that it was going to provoke, probably anticipating that it would provoke an emotional response from both sides of the fence, and maybe he just was Wary of being ambushed.
01:01:37.000You know, he might not have known with cameras on you and somebody asking you a question if he was being confronted or if he was just asking to, you know, being tacitly asked for his opinion.
01:01:46.000Oh, he might have thought it was TMZ or something.
01:01:49.000You never know what went through his mind.
01:01:51.000I mean, again, I have to give, I can only give Dennis, you know, credit and Peter Toland credit and FX credit for, you know, for allowing the subject matter on the show and for treating it with a relative amount of fairness.
01:02:03.000I don't think at the end of it that Franco, my character, was left wearing a dunce cap.
01:02:08.000I think that they just kind of, you know, let everything... They showed all the different emotional responses from the guys in the house to Sheila, the character named Sheila, who expresses her, you know, dissatisfaction with my opinion, claiming that Franco is turning, you know, turning her husband's death into a hobby.
01:02:26.000But in general, I think they just kind of let the audience decide for themselves, and that's laudable.
01:02:34.000For those that haven't seen the show Rescue Me, break down what was discussed in that episode.
01:02:41.000Well, it was a subplot that stretched over about five episodes.
01:02:45.000The way it started was a French journalist comes to the firehouse and she wants to interview the guys about their experiences on 9-11 and their feelings about the day.
01:02:55.000And so in a series of vignettes with her interviewing each of us, I'm sorry, With her interviewing each of us individually.
01:03:05.000When she gets to my character, of course, I launch into this two-minute monologue about how 9-11 was an inside job and the reasons why.
01:03:12.000And then over the course of subsequent episodes, you see the responses from different characters in the firehouse.
01:03:19.000I almost get into a physical confrontation with one character, Michael Lombardi's character, the probie, in the firehouse kitchen.
01:03:26.000And then we have kind of a reconciliation scene later on where he explains to me why he felt the way he felt So, you know, they just allowed a lot of different perspectives to be communicated.
01:03:38.000It would have been nice to have one person, one character on the show be like, yeah, I agree with Franco.
01:03:42.000But, again, just the fact that they allowed me.
01:03:45.000Yeah, I mean, let me say, it's a distortion, but again, even allowing it on, though, and allowing one view is better than most, so I'm not trying to just attack here.
01:03:54.000But I've been to New York, and many of the firefighters know it's an inside job.
01:04:17.000You're the star of a show about firefighters.
01:04:20.000What percentage would you say of them will tell you, oh yeah, Daniel, I agree with you?
01:04:24.000Well, I don't know about, I could not hazard a guess at the percentage of the total population of the FDNY because I don't know them all, but I'll say out of the firefighters that I know, I'd say about 60% of them are leaning towards us, leaning towards our take on things, that it was an inside job, that something's fishy, that we need to have a new investigation.
01:04:44.000Maybe 20% of the remaining 40 are undecided, and then maybe 20% are violently opposed to the idea, but I think more from the perspective of You know, just not being able to fathom the depth of that kind of betrayal.
01:05:00.000But in general, I know lots of firefighters that feel exactly the way you feel, that feel exactly the way I feel.
01:05:06.000I don't really know what to say about that.
01:05:11.000Talking to Bill Doyle three years ago, he said about half or more of the families believe it's an inside job than he does.
01:05:36.000I mean, you know, oh, you only have to look at it, you know, at a couple documentaries or do a couple searches on YouTube when it's working.
01:05:43.000And you can see the dissatisfaction of the families who are attending.
01:05:48.000I mean, how many times were they interrupted by the victim's family members themselves, screaming and yelling in anger and frustration because their questions were not only not being answered, but were being completely sidestepped?
01:06:00.000It's clear and obvious that when somebody says you're insulting the memories of those who died, and you're causing pain to the victim's family, by asking for the truth, That's a logical fallacy.
01:06:23.000Not only are they disrespecting the dead, they are supporting those who, still to this day, have gotten away with mass murder.
01:06:29.000So they should really think twice about using that excuse to dismiss And these killers are still on the loose, as well, and planning to stage more events, make no mistake.
01:06:40.000But the fact that we've been exposing them kind of takes that false flag tool away.
01:06:44.000What did you think when New Yorker magazine, Cy Hirsch, and then even Keith Olbermann came out and admitted that Dick Cheney was planning to stage terror attacks on our ships to blame it on Iran, with U.S.
01:06:56.000patrol boats painted up like Iranians, and then they tried to have that staged event with fake radio chatter saying, we blow you up in one minute.
01:07:48.000Other military contractors, energy corporations, the list goes on.
01:07:53.000If you follow the money, it's clear who has benefited, given the fact that they announced their agenda before the day.
01:08:01.000And then that agenda has been prosecuted every day since, and they've been invoking 9-11 and its victims as justification for, you know, everything that they've done here and everything that we've been doing abroad.
01:08:13.000I mean, I don't understand where we, where this bottomless well of, you know, benefit of the doubt, where this comes from and when does it finally run out?
01:08:22.000I mean, a government that lies about air quality and exposes people to toxic dust Intentionally, in order to reopen Wall Street.
01:08:31.000A government that, you know, legalizes torture, that manufactures legal opinions in order to justify circumventing the Constitution so that they can torture people.
01:08:42.000A government that illegally wiretaps and look on Olbermann.
01:08:45.000You had Russell Tice go on there about three months ago and tell Olbermann to his face that the NSA was collecting information, specifically collecting information on intellectuals and journalists.
01:08:54.000Uh, and you see, you see Olbermann Space go white there for a second.
01:09:01.000I mean, with all of these damning, you know, realities, why, where is the... I don't understand when, when is the wall of cognitive dissonance finally going to break and people just accept the fact, uh, or at least entertain the very serious possibility and look at the evidence of 9-11 being an inside job and all these other things that you're talking about.
01:09:19.000I mean, and in this day and time, there's just so much going on, Alex.
01:09:23.000I sometimes cannot Sometimes for a couple weeks I literally just have to totally tune out because I feel like it's just too much.
01:09:29.000I can't, you know, continue with my day.
01:09:31.000I can't continue just living life normally because I'm so caught up in all these tectonic events that seem to just come one right after the other.
01:09:40.000It's pipe bombs being detonated in New Jersey.
01:09:43.000It's, you know, the massacre at the Jewish Museum or this unfortunate shooting of the security guard at the Jewish Museum.
01:09:50.000Glenn Beck shooting his mouth off and trying to make these links between 9-11 truth and this psycho who committed this crazy act the other day.
01:09:58.000I mean, it's just so much and it's endless.
01:10:04.000You know, this Brun guy, Von Brun, was in federal custody for six years and has classic Southern Poverty Law Center fingerprints, not exactly ADL.
01:10:15.000I mean, it was Southern Poverty Law Center and declassified FBI documents running the Elohim City white supremacist compound that McVeigh came out of.
01:10:22.000And it's the same with all these, quote, black Muslim groups that turn out to be black Christian street kids who they pay money to just dress in camo and they give them a warehouse and then even mainstream news has to admit time and time again that it's totally made up.
01:10:39.000I mean, led by the FBI, they're going to blow things up.
01:10:43.000And right on time as the Federal Reserve is about to be audited, that is so exciting and But we've got to know that the elite are going to come after those of us that are fighting them, but we don't have a choice.
01:10:55.000But I sense in my gut, Daniel Sanjata, because of your courage and millions of other people's courage, that the momentum is shifting.
01:11:02.000We're not winning yet, but we're beginning to gain on them, and the arrogance is draining out of these corrupt people.
01:11:14.000As a matter of fact, you responded to it already, early.
01:11:18.000Uh, when Glenn, in that clip with Glenn Beck and that, I guess that CIA veteran, I don't know who the other, you know who the quote-unquote expert was that he was talking to?
01:11:26.000Yeah, it was all a bunch of spooks and think tanks.
01:13:22.000He's fudged since day one in this election.
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01:16:09.000All they want us to do is keep on forcing and fighting.
01:16:19.000They don't want to see us live together.
01:16:23.000Oh, I can't start playing that song without hearing the rest of it.
01:16:25.000that I'm going to come in with that next break.
01:16:27.000We're going to finish up with Daniel Sanjata, and then he says he'll come back the next month for a full hour and take your calls.
01:16:41.000They've got some family stuff coming up today.
01:16:42.000Daniel, the time we have left, you were saying, and I jumped in and started seconding you, you were saying that it seemed like desperation.
01:16:49.000It was like insecure and panicked, and they knew they were doing something dirty, trying to say that this guy was a hero of 9-11 Truth, but with no source.
01:17:08.000Just like with the FEMA camps, he can either confirm or deny at the end of the day, but with this particular thing, you would think if he's going to open his mouth and say something like that and link a notoriously non-violent movement like 9-11 Truth with something as despicable as what happened at that museum that day.
01:17:25.000You better have a reason for saying something like that.
01:17:27.000And I just hope that everybody listening to the show will, uh, will just assault, uh, Glenn Beck's email and telephone nonstop until he issues some type of an apology.
01:17:37.000Because just like with the Geraldo Rivera thing, uh, trying to link us to the bombing in Times Square.
01:17:42.000I mean, this is just, it's so, it just smacks of such desperation.
01:17:54.000Well, going back to the tape, which we played, but YouTube's down.
01:17:57.000He does three provisos that, well, it's an early report and it's not really confirmed, so we don't know if it's true.
01:18:04.000But then he says, the new sentence, this guy was a hero to 9-11 truth.
01:18:10.000I mean, 9-11 Truth is very diverse, obviously, but I would call it more classical, liberal, progressive, overall, than I would call it conservative.
01:18:19.000But I mean, you know, it's every stripe.
01:18:21.000But it decries racism and things like that.
01:18:48.000and they keep saying they're going to be violent, they're going to be violent, and then it starts materializing, they're manufacturing it one way or another.
01:19:48.000It's palpable right now, I think, in the air.
01:19:50.000I think people can feel that there's something on the horizon, and I think that people might be a little bit scared, not knowing, is it going to be something positive?
01:19:59.000I think we could certainly make it something positive.
01:20:01.000I think humanity stands at the threshold of a real opportunity for a quantum transformation Not just, you know, get all metaphysical and spiritual, but I think... No, it's a tipping point.
01:20:13.000We're going into evil or we're going into good.
01:20:54.000But, you know, just the way that the media unfairly addresses the issue of 9-11, when they even address it at all, it's either the style of Glenn Beck, or Joe Scarborough, or Bill O'Reilly, or it's total blackout.
01:21:09.000I don't know how many more articles Alan Miller has to publish about 41 intelligence experts and people from inside the intelligence community saying 9-11 was an inside job.
01:21:18.000Or, you know, people from inside other branches of the government.
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01:31:05.000President Obama says he has lost confidence in the Inspector General who investigates AmeriCorps and other national service programs and has told Congress he is removing him from the position.
01:31:14.000Obama's move follows an investigation by IG Gerald Walpin.
01:31:19.000uh... finding misuse of federal grants by a non-partisan education group led by sacramento mayor kevin johnson who is an obama supporter and former nba basketball star walton was criticized by the acting u.s.
01:31:30.000attorney in sacramento for the way he handled the investigation of johnson and st.
01:31:34.000hope academy a non-profit group that received hundreds of thousands of dollars in federal grants from the corporation of national community service so obama's fired this person To cover up, he's already, of the stimulus package, $4 billion to ACORN and AmeriCorps and Citi year, run by the Karl Rove of four to five administrations.
01:31:56.000David Gergen, Aaron, a few weeks ago did a huge report, and that's those videos they put on TV with taxpayer money of, this is my uniform, I'm city year in red and black uniforms, marching in tattletale squads, their own private political army illegally being recruited with federal money.
01:32:15.000Oh, ACORN's not corrupt during the election, and then just look at it now.
01:32:22.000So Obama is just a big Chicago machine corrupt thug.
01:32:28.000I want to shift gears into another subject.
01:33:14.000Well, PrisonPlanet.tv members can watch the Ben Livingston interviews, but the point is... And then it got ripped to the YouTube channel, so it's out there, but in high quality for PrisonPlanet.tv members.
01:33:22.000The issue is that he was the father of weather weapons.
01:33:26.000He got Stanford Research Institute to develop it.
01:33:28.000He became the head of the... It was the Navy.
01:33:34.000After that, the Navy Weapons Laboratory.
01:34:18.000He got some heat coming on the show, and he's still a nice guy, but he won't come on after he originally came on, because he got a lot of heat from the spooks.
01:34:23.000We kind of snuck up on folks, because I got the documents from a listener.
01:35:13.000And they were staying there for hours.
01:35:15.000And they'd always disappeared, even at high altitudes, in a few minutes.
01:35:19.000And then we started getting reports of low-altitude spraying, high-altitude spraying, helicopter spraying, declassified admissions of spraying Subtilis GlobaG bacteria all over New Mexico, all over Texas, Oklahoma, killing people with it.
01:35:35.000All of this is going on and happening, and still you're called a kook if you talk about it.
01:35:44.000And then I began to interview a meteorologist and a climatologist on this show and weathermen from major TV stations going, no, no, yeah, you can see them spraying here.
01:35:54.000And now in Florida news, they go, look at all these lines sprayed.
01:35:57.000Somebody, the government's doing that, but it doesn't look like chaff.
01:36:01.000It was, you know, like the whole area blocking storms about to hit, I guess, to keep the drought going.
01:36:06.000And so everybody, all these meteorologists who learned that this isn't normal They're now going, oh, that's because there's new phenomenon, new clouds, new systems being discovered.
01:36:18.000And it's normal to have barium salts and aluminum dioxide raining down.
01:36:23.000And we said, folks, it's at least a weather modification program with a bunch of other programs rolled in.
01:36:28.000Then listeners began to email us two years ago going, high-altitude aerosol spraying.
01:36:37.000Department of Energy, the Japanese Department of Energy, German Department of Energy, and Power, and British, and all these countries, and NASA saying we've dimmed the Earth by 20% for its safety, and kids' textbooks.
01:36:48.000They always tell parents, there's no plan to chip you.
01:36:50.000But then the kids' textbooks say, we're going to chip you.
01:36:53.000You know, there's a world government, it's good.
01:36:54.000You know, in the textbooks, they tell parents, it doesn't exist, but your kid's been taught it's good.
01:36:58.000You know, the weird psychological warfare going on.
01:37:01.000Textbooks saying it was happening, and then, a few months ago, his head of science department comes out, Obama, and says, oh, we're going to spray the skies with barium, salt, and aluminum dioxide to save the Earth from global warming.
01:37:13.000When the science actually shows it's causing warming.
01:37:37.000That's what witch doctors would do thousands of years ago.
01:37:39.000Every time there was a problem, they'd say the Hooju God had done it or whatever.
01:37:43.000It's all psychology, it's all chicanery and scams and bamboozling people.
01:37:48.000But we know they have weather weapons, we know the program's going on, and then suddenly they just come out and say, okay, we're doing tests.
01:37:56.000Thousands of agencies around the world and companies and tens of billions of dollars we know of a year.
01:38:03.000I mean, you can go spend the entire weekend, it's Friday.
01:38:06.000Go look at chemtrails admitted, or passive and non-passive aerosol altitude spraying campaigns.
01:38:13.000Tens of thousands of hits, universities, how they're spraying, the tests they did, how it's added to jet fuel, dispersed out of the engines.
01:38:23.000It goes through the jet fuel companies, they put it in there, and some of them actually have sprayers.
01:38:26.000Some of the systems dispersed and aerosolized with the particulate, the nuclei, out of the aircraft.
01:38:32.000I mean, it's just like they put sodium fluoride in the water, and it's compartmentalized, and the idiot pouring it in at the water plant, he thinks it's good.
01:39:00.000But I saw universities debating, previously there were three kinds of clouds, now they're saying there's three or four other new types, and there's these weird little clouds that they say form in trails and have chemicals in them, and they fall on us, and they don't know where they come from, and are space particles coalescing in the atmosphere?
01:39:19.000And the scientists can't say it's man-made, so they're going, I don't know, there's new clouds now!
01:39:26.000Here's AP right here, ladies and gentlemen.
01:39:29.000But to discredit it, they don't focus in on all the scientists, meteorologists, climatologists saying this.
01:39:34.000They focus in on a woman's photo and act like there's this big debate in meteorology and climatology and those that are studying hydrology and the ocean.
01:40:59.000Disappeared within 15 minutes, but with the photos Wiggins captured in June 2006 intrigue and stopped a group of dedicated weather watchers who were now pushing weather authority to create a new cloud category, something that hasn't been done since 1951.
01:41:12.000Breaking into the cloud family would require serving layers of skeptical interviews, reviews.
01:41:19.000Still, Gavin And his England-based Cloud Appreciation Society are determined to establish a new variety.
01:41:27.000And he goes on, uh, the new variety, just look at NASA public satellite photos.
01:41:32.000In fact, let's pull up the time we have left.
01:41:33.000We'll see if we can do it in the last segment.
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01:41:42.000And let's go look at California and see all the lines sprayed.
01:41:46.000And then there's meteorology of the whole country.
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01:44:23.000He's fudged since day one in this election.
01:44:25.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascism.
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01:47:30.000Not only was one of the big companies wanting to go around and kill people, but Lilly sold drug for dimension knowing it didn't help file show.
01:48:06.000mean very very serious business so we certainly continue to look into that and here's another one uh... obama has introduced more than ten big bills that basically in the second as we know it and then as these bills move through congress he denies he wants your guns here's world that daily obama Eliminate 8 out of 10 pocket knives.
01:48:29.000If this were to pass, you could not cross a state line with one.
01:48:33.000Customs and Border Protection Agency is proposing a new definition that would be used to eliminate 8 of 10 legal pocket knives in the United States right now.
01:48:41.000According to activists who are gearing up to fight the plan, the federal bureaucracy is accepting comments.
01:48:47.000So now when you go to an airport and the thing's half an inch long, now you'll go to prison for it.
01:48:54.000Well, they love putting the slaves in prison.
01:48:58.000The federal bureaucracy is accepting comments written only that must be received by June 21st before its planned changes would become final, said Doug Ritter of kniferights.org.
01:49:11.000So the implications of the decision would be far-reaching since many state and federal agencies depend on the agency definitions to determine what is legal in the United States.
01:49:19.000So you're trying to drive back in from Mexico or Canada with your RV Now you're going to be arrested for having steak knives.
01:49:25.000England's trying to restrict knives now in your house and have a license to have a butcher knife.
01:49:34.000And people keep calling me saying, where's the article?
01:49:37.000CBS News, PATH stations to run security screening tests.
01:49:41.000to use cutting-edge passive millimeter wave technology.
01:49:44.000Another article in the AP says everyone that rides the trains and the subways in Boston and New York and then nationwide later, this is a test, will be searched.
01:49:53.000The millimeter wave system scans your naked body.
01:50:10.000But now, if you don't like Big Brother, you're some kind of Al-Qaeda operative or something.
01:50:15.000Again, from the bottom of my heart, from my very soul, I want to thank all of you for spreading the word and standing behind us and defending us from all the false attacks by the mainstream media and the establishment and the COINTELPRO operatives.
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01:50:31.000It's not too likely to be part of this historical event.
01:50:34.000I'll be back tonight, 9 to midnight, with Jason Bermas.