Dr. Tim Ball is a climatologist, PhD, retired university professor, and global warming skeptic. He heads the Natural Resources Stewardship Project and is the former head of Friends of Science, a non-profit organization of those who are skeptical of human-caused global warming.
00:00:49.000And we are now eight minutes into the second hour today.
00:00:53.000Dr. Tim Ball is a climatologist, PhD, retired university professor, and global warming skeptic.
00:01:00.000He heads the Natural Resources Stewardship Project and is the former head of Friends of Science, a non-profit organization of those who are skeptical of human-caused global warming.
00:01:11.000And Dr. Ball, I would just add for all of the viewers out there, can speak to the fact that 37,000 scientists wrote a letter to the Congress and they signed a petition saying man-made global warming is an absolute fraud.
00:01:36.000And to that, Al Gore being questioned a month ago said, oh, and I'm sure that they believe we didn't land on the moon either.
00:01:54.000The big energy companies are behind this as well.
00:01:56.000This is a way to rape the people, put us into neo-feudalism, and control the resources.
00:02:01.000This is a vertical integration of society.
00:02:05.000To say that man-made global warming is real is to say that Al Gore invented the Internet.
00:02:09.000I mean, that arrogant person in the early 90s said he invented the Internet?
00:02:15.000Which, in no literature anywhere, it's well known that DARPA and also some British scientists, I mean, they're credited in the encyclopedia for inventing the Internet in the 60s.
00:02:26.000My father was at UT in the 60s when they were, he knew some of the research departments that were talking about the internet before it had that name.
00:02:36.000Computerized data transfer systems over phone lines in case of nuclear war.
00:02:42.000I mean, this is like saying Al Gore discovered that The Earth is round and not Copernicus.
00:02:48.000It's like saying Al Gore discovered dynamite and not Nobel.
00:02:54.000It is just... He is a con artist of the highest order and the science of the... We probably interviewed over a hundred climatologists, physicists here on air.
00:03:06.000The fact is the vast majority say it's a total fraud.
00:03:09.000Only research scientists Who are on government or environmental group, land grabbing group payroll, come out and say it's real.
00:03:18.000And they've been caught in mainstream news fixing the buoy data, lying and saying that buoys and weather stations showed record heat in Siberia or record heat in Africa.
00:03:31.000But school kids are now being taught that seasons are unnatural even.
00:03:35.000So this is very, and Al Gore says we need to terraform the planet because now they're not saying global warming anymore.
00:03:44.000Because that's been proven to be a fraud.
00:03:46.000Then it was climate change, but people go, wait, climate change is a normal cycle.
00:03:49.000Now the PR firms have come out in the New York Times and said the White House has ordered everybody to say, deteriorating atmosphere.
00:03:57.000Now they actually brought some truth out.
00:03:59.000And we're going to go to the professor.
00:04:01.000Because according to climatologists we've interviewed, the Earth is in a very low carbon dioxide oxygen level.
00:04:07.000According to the different bog samples they've gotten from hundreds of thousands of years ago, ice core samples, and that plants and animals like higher carbon dioxide and oxygen.
00:04:17.000But that's biologists we've had on on that subject.
00:04:19.000Dr. Tim Ball, climatologist, joins us.
00:04:23.000Just an amazing researcher, and we're honored to have him for the next 40-45 minutes.
00:04:30.000And by the way, Alex, they've switched also, they went and I call it moving the goalposts, as you said, global warming, when they discovered that the temperatures were going down but the CO2 was still going up.
00:04:42.000So they switched then to climate change.
00:04:45.000Then when we started to explain to the public that, look, the climate change is naturally all the time and much, much more than they understand.
00:04:53.000And then they switched again, as you said, the politicians came up with that term.
00:04:57.000But they're also using terms like climate chaos and climate catastrophe.
00:05:01.000And of course, you've got to keep the scare factor up, the fear factor up, to bamboozle people and push your agenda.
00:05:09.000So, yeah, it's really disturbing what's going on.
00:05:16.000Well, sir, break down the basics for people of what's really going on, the fact that the majority of scientists that I've seen, you know, the UN's got 2,000 scientists, a bunch of them came out and said we didn't even agree to their theory, they just put our names on this, you guys have 37,000 and growing, and then this blanket lie of man-made climate change is real, and anybody that questions it is a conspiracy theorist.
00:05:46.000Once you start to get to the name-calling ad hominem, as it's said in Latin, then you know that you're losing the argument.
00:05:53.000But just to put this whole thing in perspective, you have to think about, Alex, why the focus on CO2?
00:06:00.000It's such a small part of the total atmospheric system and mechanisms.
00:06:06.000In fact, it's a very small part of the greenhouse gases.
00:06:11.000And it's very interesting, the EPA, with their latest Changes where they're going to make co2 a toxic substance and methane and so on They don't even mention the most important greenhouse gas, which is water vapor.
00:06:24.000It's 95% of the greenhouse gases by volume So you really have to ask your question why the co2 and my whole career I've gone through this and by the way, you know the numbers they come out with all of the consensus is and as you mentioned the 2500 With the IPCC and now the 37,000 with the Oregon petition and so on.
00:06:44.000But consensus is not a scientific fact.
00:06:47.000And so I'm a bit leery about those numbers.
00:06:50.000You really need to look at why the focus on CO2 and what's going on here.
00:06:55.000And the answer, when you dig deep, goes back to a gentleman by the name of Morris Strong.
00:07:05.000And I understand he's moved there to escape charges by the U.S.
00:07:09.000government of his involvement with Kofi Annan and their sons in the food for oil in Iraq situation.
00:07:18.000But he's set up there to sell carbon credits out of China, just like Al Gore profiting from it, and also with George Soros to build very, very cheap small cars to import to the U.S.
00:07:30.000But Maury Strong, about 30 years ago, said the problem for the planet are the industrialized nations, and isn't it our responsibility to get rid of them?
00:07:40.000Now, I'm not going to say that industry hasn't created some small problems, no question, but the vast majority of what they've done has been for the betterment of human beings and so on.
00:07:52.000But you need to think about, how would you go about destroying the industrialized nations?
00:07:59.000If you think about those industrialized nations like the engine in a car, because that's a very good analogy for them, they were a carbon-based society, that you can stop the engine by squeezing the fuel line.
00:08:13.000But if you do that immediately, people will scream.
00:08:16.000You saw this recently with the increase in gasoline prices and everybody's immediately mad.
00:08:22.000But if you could show that the byproduct of those industrialized nations is destroying the planet, Then you could effectively shut down those industrialized nations.
00:08:33.000That's why CO2, the byproduct of burning the fossil fuels, became the focus.
00:08:39.000And then Strong, when he was asked by Elaine Doerr in a book called Cloak of Green, she said, well, why didn't you run in politics?
00:08:48.000And he said, you can't do anything as a politician.
00:08:51.000I went to the UN where I could get all the money I wanted with no accountability whatsoever.
00:08:58.000And he set up the United Nations Environment Program.
00:09:04.000That United Nations Environment Program defined climate change as human-caused climate change.
00:09:13.000And then he set up the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which was to do the scientific investigation of it.
00:09:20.000And as you pointed out, they list 2,500 people, but less than 500 of them are actually scientists.
00:09:28.000Well, I've served on a lot of commissions and inquiries, and one of the things that I learned, Alex, is that commissions of inquiry are wonderful things for politicians, because it allows them to defer the heat.
00:09:43.000So if an issue comes up and says, oh, we need a commission of inquiry, OK, we'll have a commission of inquiry.
00:09:48.000Then the media can go to the politicians and say, well, sorry, we can't comment until we get the report.
00:10:40.000One of the first terms of reference is that the climate change definition is that you only look at human causes of climate change.
00:10:48.000And then the second thing that they did was, they wrote it so that you do the science report, or the technical report as it's called, that's then set aside, and then you write the summary for policymakers, which is done by bureaucrats and politicians.
00:11:05.000And the summary for policymakers is released before the science report is released.
00:11:12.000And in 2007 it was done in April and the science report came out in November.
00:11:15.000But the summary then goes to the people that wrote the science report and says, make sure your science report agrees with what we've written in the summary.
00:11:25.000So this is like an executive of a company saying to the employees, look, I've written a summary.
00:11:30.000I want you to write a report that confirms my summary.
00:11:40.000I'm actually doing research on Murray Strong right now for a film.
00:11:43.000I was reading that quote last night, and I even went and found the videos of him saying We've got to have a law for a license, not even one child.
00:11:55.000The eugenicists will decide if you have any children.
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00:14:33.000Or was Jefferson correct when he said, a central bank issuing a public currency is a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army?
00:17:02.000Now imagine the diabolical nature of the scam.
00:17:07.000Maury Strong back in the 70s and 80s got a lot of criticism for saying you should have to have a license to have children and they put it in Hollywood movies and culture and then all the yuppies say well of course there's too many people.
00:17:27.000If we have time, I'll play some clips of him talking about, I got in trouble for saying you should have a license to have children, but it needs to be forced.
00:17:35.000State Department Memorandum 200 is on record saying they wanted to force people not to have kids and how to use war and famine and to get countries in so much debt that all the government spending goes to debt instead of the people and so societies collapse.
00:17:51.000We're talking to climatologist Dr. Tim Ball.
00:17:54.000And, you know, last time we had him on, he got into the science about global warming.
00:17:59.000It was actually a good thing, but unfortunately we're going into a cooling cycle with the ice caps of Mars getting bigger and some of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn refreezing.
00:18:09.000They were liquid methane, now they're freezing.
00:18:12.000And notice he's just talking about what the overall agenda is.
00:18:16.000And I think that's the way to counter these people.
00:18:18.000Instead of arguing with people that say they invented the internet and things, it's better just to show they're a pack of criminals trying to vertically integrate the economy and carry out eugenics.
00:18:27.000But I think that's the direction you were going, Dr. Ball.
00:18:31.000Yes, and I think that one of the things that they've very cleverly done, and as you know, Alex, you can win any argument by just distracting from the wider picture by focusing on one small point, and the focusing on CO2 to the distraction of the much wider issues is really how they've perpetuated this.
00:18:52.000And of course, then anybody that dared to stand up and question it is immediately attacked.
00:19:09.000Oh yeah, and James Hansen, the head of NASA Guess, who just was arrested for protesting at a coal plant as a civil servant, which makes you wonder what's going on, but he's made statements like we should be in jail.
00:19:21.000And we've got David Suzuki up here in Canada saying the same thing, that people should be in jail.
00:19:26.000He also says humans are maggots that basically need to be exterminated.
00:19:30.000Yeah, well, and one of the things that when you look at the whole environmental movement, and by the way, we needed to become It's a bunch of gibbering control freaks who get off on pressing on the nerve of power.
00:19:42.000They've hijacked legitimate concerns against pollution and things like that.
00:19:46.000Exactly, and one of the ways that it's coming back on them a little bit, Alex, is that I've dealt with my whole career with extremism and wondered what its purpose was, and I finally realized that it's the extremists that define the limits for the majority.
00:20:59.000And by the way, I've written articles about this, Alex, that there is a very deep-seated anti-humanity underlying the environmental movement.
00:21:11.000If we could just get rid of all the people on the planet, it would be a great place to live.
00:21:14.000Well, you know what, Dr. Ball, stay there.
00:21:21.000What do we do about this gargantuan climate bill that creates these commissars that are over all areas of the economy, over 30 agencies who just do whatever regulations they want?
00:21:32.000Look, if humans are so bad, Suzuki, you little twit, you control freak, you fake intellectual, kill yourself.
00:26:02.000It's like a total Soviet society where everything's micromanaged.
00:26:05.000And we have these big global corporations who love it because they're monopoly capitalists.
00:26:09.000They know the biggest profits are made out of controlled partnerships with government.
00:26:14.000And you say people are waking up, and they are waking up.
00:26:17.000So they go from global warming to climate change to deteriorating atmosphere to carbon poison.
00:26:23.000I've seen dozens of video games, dozens, free on the Nickelodeon website and other places for kids where carbon monsters try to kill kids and the kids practice killing the carbon monsters.
00:26:34.000They teach it's an absolute fact, it's toxic waste, it will kill you.
00:26:38.000You can tell the general public the scientific name of water.
00:26:42.000And they will panic, most of them, and say, ban it!
00:26:46.000If you go out and talk to a crowd of people, that happens.
00:26:51.000Break down who these people are, how we counter them, where you see this fight going, what you think of the world right now, all across Europe and the United States and Canada, falling to the climate cops, falling to the new green tyranny, the home inspections, the shutting down of the factories, the energy taxes.
00:27:13.000The power of the media, the spin doctors, has reached global proportions and one of the things that's really problematic about it is the great bastion of freedom is the U.S.
00:27:28.000and the freedom for the individual in the U.S.
00:27:31.000And it's being destroyed, and what's ironic about it is that China is just ignoring all of what they're doing.
00:27:39.000China's not going to sign any climate bill.
00:27:42.000In fact, China are not only holding your debt now, but they're also saying, oh well, you're part of Kyoto, you've got to pay us for the damage that you've done.
00:27:52.000So the country that's holding most of your debt is telling you you've got to pay them as well.
00:27:57.000So it's pretty disturbing on a global scale.
00:28:02.000And I tell people, you hear a lot of anti-Americanism, especially up here in Canada.
00:28:07.000And I say, look, if you think of the U.S.
00:28:11.000as a problem, as a superpower, you ain't seen nothing yet.
00:28:57.000But they didn't realize that it was a Trojan horse that these people were using to infiltrate.
00:29:06.000And of course, then within that, the more strong focus on CO2 and controlling of the energy, because you see, I mentioned about the engine.
00:29:15.000You can shut the engine down by squeezing the fuel line.
00:29:19.000You can also stop the engine by plugging the exhaust.
00:29:21.000And of course, that's what they're doing with pointing the finger at CO2.
00:29:25.000But one of the other problems is that the science Uh, first what we need to focus is on the CO2, say, okay, you brought us down to that, let's look at what the arguments are, the scientific arguments.
00:29:39.000Now the hypothesis, and scientists work by hypothesis, they say, well, if, if, if, this could happen.
00:29:48.000So, for example, Einstein's theory of relativity assumes that nothing can go faster than the speed of light.
00:29:54.000Well, if you find something going faster than the speed of light, then the formula equals mc squared essentially becomes redundant, because it's only as valid as the assumption on which it's built.
00:30:04.000The fundamental assumption in the IPCC hypothesis, which of course Strong was the architect of, was that human CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
00:30:18.000That is, it traps heat, it's going to increase in amount because humans are producing more of it, and that as CO2 goes up, the temperature will rise.
00:30:30.000Well, first of all, the most fundamental one that With CO2 increase, the temperature will rise.
00:30:39.000There's no evidence anywhere in any record of any duration for any time period in the history of the Earth in which CO2 increase precedes temperature change.
00:30:50.000In every record, it's exactly the opposite.
00:30:53.000And the most famous one, Alex, is the ice core record, which they came out with.
00:30:57.000They said, oh, look, there it is, the temperature going up and down over a 400,000 year record, and there's the CO2 going up and down.
00:31:04.000And the scientists, the British and the French scientists, Jouzel at the time, I remember when this came out in the 80s, said, look, don't rush to judgment on this.
00:31:13.000But of course they rushed to judgment.
00:31:16.000We now know that temperature change precedes CO2.
00:31:21.000So CO2 is not driving temperature at all, let alone the human portion of it.
00:31:26.000For those that don't know, Doctor, let's be specific.
00:31:29.000Major universities, hundreds of firms, it's all on record.
00:31:33.000They go out and test the ice core samples going back hundreds of thousands of years, and it all fits what we saw in the start of the Bronze Age 9,000 years ago.
00:31:42.000It all shows that warming period 1,500 years ago in Europe when there was the big vineyards everywhere that aren't there now in Northern Europe and in England.
00:31:52.000That the CO2 follows after a temperature increases, then there's obviously more life, things melt, more CO2 gets released because of water vapor, a lot of different reasons.
00:32:05.000You're the climatologist, you can explain it.
00:32:08.000But what Al Gore did is, he moved it, he cheated, and because they're very close on the graph, but it comes after, he moved it to coincide.
00:32:17.000Exactly, and by the way, one of the things that was not very widely publicized was that a week before he got his Nobel Prize, and I thought the Oscar was appropriate because it was from the land of make-believe, but the Nobel Prize is a different issue, but the week before he got it, a parent in England went and took the movie to court.
00:32:40.000And said, look, my son's been forced to watch this four times.
00:32:42.000There are major scientific errors in it.
00:32:45.000And I want, if they're going to show it, I want a warning, a government warning against what's wrong with this movie.
00:32:50.000The judge ruled that the movie was propaganda.
00:32:54.000Actually, he didn't use that term specifically, but he said it's politically biased, and he said there are nine major errors, and the one you just mentioned is one of them, the shifting of the curves to coincide.
00:33:06.000Now, that was a week before he got the Nobel Prize.
00:33:08.000Now, you could say, okay, well, the Nobel Committee couldn't have time at that time, I don't think ever in history has a Nobel Prize been given to somebody whose work has been found criminally wrong, you know, before he got it.
00:33:19.000committee didn't do their homework they'd already decided that they were going to give it to him and uh...
00:33:24.000not with the end of it so joey i don't think ever in history is a nobel prize being given to somebody whose work has been found criminally wrong and you know before he got it it's absolutely amazing well why don't they just give him a nobel prize for bidding the internet Or how about a Nobel Prize for Kitty Hawk?
00:33:55.000One of the things that we're seeing here, and some people have referred to this, is the big lie.
00:34:00.000The bigger the lie you tell, the more people will believe it.
00:34:03.000And of course, one of the things that's amazing, and you mentioned this at the top of the program, that he's challenging other people saying they're not qualified, and they flatter others, and blah, blah, blah.
00:34:14.000But nobody ever says, well, what qualifications have you got?
00:34:19.000And this is the amazing thing about how he's been able to survive and get away with what he has, but it's this whole thing about propaganda, and because it's purely propaganda.
00:34:33.000And so what we've got to keep focusing on, and this is where you asked about how we deal with this, is start to look at, okay, what is CO2?
00:34:43.000And by the way, one of the things, Alex, that we talked about extremism, The first thing that's happening is that the politicians generally worldwide, but not the U.S., are realizing that the climate or cap and trade and anything to do with that is going to be harmful to the economy.
00:35:00.000So they're backing off on it that way.
00:35:03.000The other thing is that I know from all the politicians I've talked to around the globe, and I had a chance to listen to Vaclav Klaus in New York.
00:35:11.000That's the head of the EU, for those that don't know.
00:35:15.000Yeah, he said the head of the EU and president of Czechoslovakia.
00:35:17.000But one of the things that these politicians, they've been bullied into silence.
00:35:22.000Because when you talk to them off the record, they say, yeah, look, we know what you're saying.
00:35:39.000And when you look at Exxon, for example, here's a corporation that's admittedly spent $16 million on climate research.
00:35:46.000Well, I wouldn't invest in an oil company, an energy company, that wasn't looking at what the climate was going to do and what the demand for their product was going to be.
00:35:55.000They've said they're not going to put any more money into it.
00:36:28.000Oh yeah, and of course the other thing is that the government using the taxpayers' money is, as you inferred or directly mentioned, is buying off corporations.
00:36:39.000I mean, all this idea about green jobs.
00:36:43.000And one of the things that frustrates me about this, Alex, isn't just that the US, the policies for cap and trade and so on, is not scientifically based.
00:36:55.000I would be more willing to be less cynical and skeptical about it if the ideas and proposals were new.
00:37:03.000That they were genuinely new, innovative ways.
00:37:08.000These ideas that are in the cap and trade and what the EPA are doing have been tried by other countries and have been a disaster.
00:37:16.000Let me stop you right there and then we'll go over this, but you mentioned something earlier, about ten minutes ago, and for the decade plus I've been aware of this takeover plan from their own documents, and what Maury Strong had said, and Green Cross and Green Shield, and Mikhail Gorbachev and David Rockefeller and the UN openly saying, reduce our numbers down to 500 million.
00:37:38.000Ever since they started pushing that, I knew that China, India, Mexico, and a hundred And 60 other third world and developing countries wouldn't have to make the cuts.
00:37:49.000It was really a way to de-industrialize.
00:37:55.000Now they're saying, oh, okay, we're going to do retroactive carbon taxing and we've got to pay three billion a year to China, a billion a year to Mexico.
00:38:05.000Calderon's on TV saying it, and Obama's saying, yes, we're going to take taxpayer money and give it to you, and then you're going to pay it to the IMF and World Bank, mainly the IMF is the new bank of the world as your carbon credit.
00:38:19.000More than just eugenics, that's the overall system, it's a money laundering operation for more international aid, where instead of the money going to the IMF and World Bank, they loan it to dictators or corrupt systems who then keep the money and then hand the resources over to the bankers.
00:38:34.000This is countries they've already bought off in the third world will now just take the money, keep part of it, and pay the rest right back to David Rockefeller.
00:38:42.000I mean, this is just I mean, this is what con artists would come up with if they were just told, think of the most ridiculous out in the open con.
00:38:53.000So even if you believe carbon dioxide is a deadly poison that kills plants, kills animals, it's like nerve gas, the point is that we're all one planet.
00:39:02.000If China and India don't make cuts, and all our jobs move there, there will be more of this VX nerve gas known as carbon dioxide, almost as deadly as dihydrogen monoxide, also water, that deadly nerve gas, more nerve gas released.
00:39:19.000Well, yeah, I mean, one of the things about the Kyoto, and you have to go back again to Morris Strong, he grew up on a farm in southern Manitoba in Canada, and the family were socialist extremes.
00:39:36.000And just to give you an idea, Winnipeg, the only city in North America that had a democratically elected communist on the city council, but Maurice Strong's family... He admits it, he's a hardcore piece of filth, go ahead.
00:39:50.000One of the things, of course, that's underlying that is a redistribution of wealth.
00:39:55.000And we talked about the IPCC, but the Kyoto Accord that came out of, and by the way, this is another of his big operations, was the Rio Conference in 1992, which George Bush, the elder, refused to go to, George Herbert Bush refused to go to.
00:40:12.000But the Kyoto Accord and the carbon credits Was a transfer of wealth.
00:40:18.000It was a socializing of taking the wealth from those people that had worked hard and succeeded, and giving it to those that were not working hard, not succeeding.
00:40:29.000So, this was part of this whole strategy, and of course, again, the vehicle was the CO2.
00:40:37.000And by the way, the carbon credits is very interesting, because that idea originally, With the IPCC, they were trying to get the Kyoto's through.
00:40:51.000The U.S., and as you recall this, 95 to nothing, the U.S.
00:40:56.000When Al Gore was the Vice President, it was 95 to nothing against.
00:41:01.000When the inventor of the Internet was Vice President.
00:41:04.000Well, he should have got on the Internet and veiled some more votes, but the Europeans, with Strong and Sir John Houghton, Who was the head of the UK Met Office and so on.
00:41:16.000These people trying to get the Americans on board said, look, what can we do to make this attractive to you?
00:41:24.000came back and said, look, give us some credit for the carbon we're taking out of the atmosphere.
00:41:30.000Because one of the things that you don't hear much about, Alex, is that, yeah, we produce about 7.5 gigatons of CO2 a year, but we remove 50% of that through agriculture and forestry.
00:41:46.000I mean, I've talked to a lot of other climatologists and biologists that have done the studies on plants.
00:41:51.000Isn't a carbon dioxide rich atmosphere better for overall life cycle, carbon cycle on the planet?
00:41:57.000And aren't we at a very low point according to the research?
00:42:01.000Oh yeah, we're at 385 parts per million, which is the lowest level in 600 million years.
00:42:07.000And one of the things that's interesting that confirms this, sure would it so, and his son Craig have done an enormous amount of research on Putting plants into enriched CO2 atmospheres, and they found that almost all plants function better at between 1,000 and 1,200 parts per million.
00:42:25.000In other words, three times what they currently are getting.
00:42:28.000So you could legitimately argue that plants are malnourished.
00:42:32.000But what's more important, Alex, is that if you look at the last 300 million years, the average level of CO2 in the atmosphere has been around 1,000 to 1,200 parts per million.
00:42:43.000And some commercial operations, greenhouses, are taking advantage of that by pumping that level into their greenhouse and getting four times the yield on their plants.
00:42:52.000But hold on doctor, it doesn't kill the plants, it's now a toxic nerve gas, the news says.
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00:46:23.000You know, I've interviewed a lot of climatologists, a lot of scientists, but I've got to say, Dr. Ball is the most informed, most on target I've seen.
00:47:15.000Yeah, that one focuses on the science.
00:47:18.000The Canada Free Press is a mix of the science and the political implications.
00:47:22.000Well, I mean, we've proven the scientific case, because it's, I mean, really elementary, or at least it seems as a layman compared to a lot of other scientific questions.
00:47:31.000We know plants breathe carbon dioxide, and we know, during the break you were mentioning world food supply.
00:47:37.000Maury Strong also says, and Kissinger says, shut down world food supply, and that's also part of what this whole greenhouse gas tax is about.
00:47:46.000There's no question about that, and as I mentioned earlier with the biofuels, you see how marginal we are.
00:47:53.000And one of the things that everybody forgets is that, and I've got a quote that I made up a long time ago, there are no farms in the cities, but there's no cities without farms.
00:48:04.000And if you ignore the agricultural base, that's the base of any economy.
00:48:09.000Well, instead they're taking that over with the Animal Society from Australia to Canada to the U.S.
00:48:15.000They are SWAT teaming Amish for selling milk, SWAT teaming egg sellers.
00:48:20.000I mean, they're really squeezing, and these environmental green brigades are just showing, and I'm not bashing folks with ponytails and Birkenstocks, but now they've got sidearms and they're showing up on farms and ranches and going, look, and they're basically communist.
00:48:36.000Well, it's, you know, organic is all very nice, and there's a niche market for that.
00:48:42.000But if we went totally organic, you'd have to cut every forest in the world down to grow the amount of food we're currently producing.
00:48:49.000And I'm trying to think of the guy, Dennis Avery.
00:48:54.000Wonderful book called Saving the Planet with Plastics and Pesticides.
00:48:58.000And he's saying, you know, if they really wanted to save these ecologies and environments they're talking about, we should increase the yields on the land we're currently farming.
00:49:08.000I mean, we look at the increase of corn yields over the last little while.
00:49:12.000Now, there are some side effects, no question, but we can monitor those and take care of those.
00:49:17.000But to just shut it all down is certainly not a solution at all, but that gives you ultimate control, I guess.
00:49:24.000Well, the problem is the big agribusinesses own their areas and they don't leave the land fallow, but you drive around the United States and the world, there's farm areas not being used everywhere.
00:49:35.000Well, and that was one of the problems I had with George W. Bush's policies, agricultural policies, where people were buying farms simply to get the government subsidies.
00:49:47.000It was a better investment than going into the stock market.
00:49:51.000And that was the fallow land where they were being paid not to grow them and it's just insanity.
00:49:56.000And of course they don't want stockpiling of food at all because they lose control that way.
00:50:05.000But I think the agricultural base is a very important part of this and that's why I think we talk about Paying people to sequester CO2.
00:50:16.000Well, the farmers are already doing it.
00:50:18.000Why aren't they getting a subsidy for the 50% of CO2 they're taking out of the atmosphere?
00:50:23.000Well, there's some environmental global warming wackos that think trees are producing CO2 and so they're bad.
00:50:30.000Do five more minutes with us, Doc, because I want you to finish your thoughts and where you see this going, you seem to think they're losing steam.
00:52:24.000We're going to have Dr. Ball in studio coming up in a few weeks here with us.
00:52:28.000I want to have him down here to discuss some things with us and also for a eugenics film, I'm making a population control film after the current one I'm making.
00:52:39.000So, definitely very, very important, very, very exciting.
00:52:42.000Okay, in closing, I've been throwing in my two cents quite a bit here.
00:52:46.000It seems that they're beginning to stall out.
00:52:48.000I mean, right as they get victories, right as they pass it in the House and it's going to the Senate, and they may be able to even do that, they're going to have trouble implementing this because when Nancy Pelosi and others lie and say it's about jobs, Even their own white papers admit this is meant to shut down jobs.
00:53:05.000So where do you see their movement going?
00:53:08.000Well, I think there's a couple of things.
00:53:09.000One I mentioned was that the economy has refocused a lot of the politicians, and of course they're getting word from their constituents.
00:53:18.000And by the way, one thing I rely on, Alex, is there's a huge well of common sense in the ordinary people.
00:53:26.000Popeye said it all when he said, I don't know how she does it, but she does it.
00:53:29.000So there's that underlying skepticism amongst the people.
00:53:34.000And one of the things that I've noticed is with the cooling that's been going on since 2000, Initially, they said, oh, well, it's just a one-year anomaly.
00:53:45.000Now they're saying, well, yeah, it's slight cooling, but it's just going to go back to warming again.
00:53:50.000And then when they were pushed on it, they said, well, no, but this cooling's due to warming.
00:53:55.000That was so illogical that even people that don't understand the science were saying, hang on a minute, hold on a minute here.
00:54:02.000And, of course, the fact that the cooling trend will continue We'll see it again this winter.
00:54:09.000We'll see it with the harvest problems across the U.S.
00:54:13.000and the world that's going on right now.
00:54:15.000Canada, we're very, very late with our planting, and seeding's down about 25%.
00:54:19.000And that's because of that big yellow thing in the sky.
00:54:22.000They say it has nothing to do with heat.
00:54:24.000And by the way, that's another part of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
00:54:28.000They don't consider the sun as a factor because humans don't have control of it.
00:54:35.000And so these sorts of things are making the people start to realize, even though they don't understand, that there's a lot of But I mean, I see them on the news saying the sun has nothing to do with it.
00:54:58.000You pick up any meteorology or climate textbook, the very first thing they tell you is the source of energy for the atmosphere is the sun.
00:55:06.000And then these people proceed to ignore it.
00:55:08.000The analogy I've used, Alex, is like saying my car's not running very well, but I'm not going to look at the engine, which is the sun, and I'm not going to look at the transmission, which is water vapor, the most important greenhouse gas, and I'm going to ignore the differential.
00:55:20.000I'm going to look at one nut on the right rear wheel, which is CO2, but oh, by the way, I'm only going to look at one thread within that nut, which is the human portion of CO2, and that's how I'm going to resolve the problems with my car.
00:55:36.000By the way, just one quick comment, Alex.
00:55:38.000A lot of people have forgotten that they had a World Conference on Population in 1994, and guess who was the organizer and keynote speaker?
00:55:48.000It was our friend He's been at that game with the population thing for a long time, too.
00:55:57.000And of course, a lot of it grows out of, as we talked off the air, about the Club of Rome, limits to growth, and Paul Ehrlich and all of his wrong predictions.
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01:01:51.000And he goes, well, you'll probably get her on next week.
01:01:54.000Well then that became Gawker, Minnesota Newspapers, Will She Go on Jones' Show, Attacking Me, and then they called his campaign manager and he said, well I didn't know about that.
01:02:16.000By the way, Cynthia McKinney has been kidnapped by Israeli troops.
01:02:20.000Mike Rivera is the last person I know to interview her.
01:02:23.000We're going to get him on here in about 20 minutes to give us a quick update on what's happening with that.
01:02:27.000Going back to Dr. Tim Bald, climatologist.
01:02:34.000Doc, you were going to get into the overall population reduction agenda itself, that global warming is just the governmental, economic, energy straitjacket to, as you said, put a kink in the hose for the fuel for civilization.
01:02:47.000They get us under civilization, they get us urbanized, what they said by design, to control us and domesticate us, then they start incrementally, like we're a HAL 9000, turning off the civilization.
01:02:59.000They're really just a bunch of control freaks.
01:03:03.000Just a quick comment on your question to your staff there.
01:03:05.000I think that what I get from you is that we can disagree, but we don't have to be disagreeable.
01:03:11.000But anyway, beyond that, the whole idea about overpopulation, of course, starts with Malthus back in the 18th century and arguments that, oh, the population's outgrowing the food supply and so on.
01:03:28.000so successful and so powerful is that it has been more successful in producing food to feed its people than any other nation on the planet.
01:03:37.000In fact, not only growing enough for itself, but exporting to the world.
01:03:42.000And from that surplus food, of course, comes surplus time, and you set up the civilization.
01:03:47.000What happens over time is that the population shift And right now you've got in the U.S.
01:03:55.0002% of the population that are officially listed as farmers, about 18%, 20% rural population, but people move into the cities and they become disconnected from the food supply.
01:04:07.000And once, of course, you're dependent upon what's in the supermarket, you're effectively lost control.
01:04:17.000Once you can't feed yourself, And, of course, we're seeing the same thing going on in China.
01:04:22.000I mean, the massive thing that's occurred in China is the shift of the population from the rural areas.
01:04:28.000They've gone from about 80 percent to rural, down to less than 50 percent in about 10 years.
01:04:35.000And the demand for homes and so on is driving a lot of that economy.
01:04:39.000And so the population idea really got to a peak.
01:04:46.000Now, one of the things that drove it, and this is when I started my climate career, was that global cooling was the consensus then.
01:04:53.000And that's why I'm not a consensus person, because they're always, you know, in the CIA, we're doing reports on, oh, the world's overpopulated, and we're not going to be able to feed ourselves with this global cooling.
01:05:04.000And out of that, of course, the Club of Rome, and there was a meeting in Rome in 1976 about the world's going to starve to death by the year 2000.
01:05:14.000And the simplistic computer models, which are at the basis of all of these problems, were just saying, oh, well, here's the trend, and it's going to continue, and the world simply can't survive past it.
01:05:27.000All of those predictions are wrong, but somehow they still got the floor.
01:05:31.000And people like Paul Ehrlich, who was the one that was pushing the overpopulation idea, was at the heart of that.
01:05:38.000And then, of course, Gore organizing that conference in Cairo, Egypt.
01:05:45.000What better place than to say, oh, look, there's poverty due to overpopulation right outside the window.
01:05:51.000And that idea of the world's overpopulated.
01:05:54.000Of course, the question you've got to ask is, Which populations have we got too many of?
01:06:19.000And then you look at the point you just made, that we're actually concentrated populations and that once a nation becomes industrialized they actually begin to have negative population growth like europe of 1.3 japan with 1.3 italy with even lower 1.2 europe is dying russia is dying the united states is dying if it wasn't for the massive immigrant replacement influx and so and the u.n admits that if they just industrialized the third world
01:06:47.000uh... that uh... it would actually lift them up and they wouldn't have so many children but you read the world uh...
01:06:55.000population report put out by the u.n you read the royal commission on population put out by the british government they say that population and industrialization is the threat and so they say we're not going to give them industrialization we're going to let their population swell to keep them down and then we're going to use birth control and sterilization and war and famine to then cull that mass.
01:07:18.000So use the people bomb as a weapon to keep the third world down, then kind of exterminate them with war, famine, and sterilization.
01:07:27.000So the eugenicists aren't even doing what they're saying.
01:07:30.000It's not some high and mighty eugenicist's view that's bad enough.
01:07:35.000But with some rationale, this is just a cover story for kind of low-level thugs to carry out the eugenics.
01:07:43.000The top guys are just playing a global game of risk to knock out all their enemies.
01:07:48.000Exactly, and what you're talking about there is the demographic transition.
01:07:53.000Anybody can google that phrase, demographic transition, and it's the well-documented Showing that as you become industrialized, the first of all, the death rate goes down and the birth, but then at this followed by the birth rate goes down and then the population starts to decline.
01:08:12.000And of course, a lot of countries are offsetting this by paying people to have a third child.
01:08:18.000I know Quebec up in Canada here, Italy's done it, but also a lot of countries, it's being masked by immigration.
01:08:45.000Oh, there's no question, and as I said, at that conference in Rome in 1976, one of the arguments by a lot of the countries was, look, let us industrialize, and that will cause the population to decline.
01:09:00.000And, of course, that was rejected completely.
01:09:03.000But, yeah, the whole idea about, if you want to limit... By the way, just a very interesting thing, Alex, is that you can calculate this out yourself, but if you... The average family of about 2.7, 2.8 people, you could put them in 1,000-square-foot homes on 3,000-square-foot lots with roads and parks and
01:09:27.000The normal facilities and the population under those conditions, which would be ideal in most of the world, all of the world's population could fit in the southern half of Alberta.
01:09:42.000When you look at Canada, for example, here we are, the second largest country in the world, and we've got a population equal to California.
01:09:51.000And so when you start talking about overpopulation, it's absolute nonsense.
01:09:56.000And of course, the other thing that came out of that conference in Cairo, they were pointing the finger at Asia and Africa.
01:10:05.000The country with the highest population density in the world is the Netherlands.
01:10:09.000But they've got one of the highest standards of living.
01:10:12.000So when you start to look at the statistics and what was going on with all of this, the overpopulation thing, and it's a thing that people fear.
01:10:23.000It's that it's not industrialized is why Calcutta is a cesspit.
01:10:28.000It is because it's not industrialized that Mexico City is a hell pit.
01:10:32.000We've got to industrialize them with the new clean industries, but the globalists, when you really read their papers, they're suppressing all that.
01:10:40.000That's why it's so sickening they claim, oh, we want to make you adopt new clean systems.
01:10:44.000They're actually vertically integrating things, cutting off the capital of the world in their own documents to suppress clean development, and they want dirty, sprawling third world because it's a ball and chain that keeps these people down.
01:10:59.000Folks, you can just Google his name and read all of his Great writings.
01:11:03.000I really appreciate Dr. Tim Ball, climatologist, joining us.
01:11:07.000And I'm going to have my producer call you right now and book those flights for you to be in studio with us coming up in a couple weeks.
01:11:14.000And I can't wait to shake your hand in person, doctor.
01:11:18.000Thank God that more and more people Thank you, Alex.
01:11:20.000like yourself, are out there speaking out and standing up.
01:11:23.000And together, as Thomas Jefferson said, all that evil men and tyrants need to flourish is that good men and women do nothing.
01:11:28.000And with good men like you out there taking action, I think we're starting to really turn the tide against these people.
01:11:34.000That's why they really pressed and passed this climate takeover in the House.
01:11:39.000But I think that's the beginning of the end for them.
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01:13:21.000He's fudged since day one of this election.
01:13:23.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascist.
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01:15:58.000A prominent MI5 officer who broke a lot of news stories...
01:16:12.000Concerning using Al Qaeda to try to kill Muammar Gaddafi and others.
01:16:15.000It later was confirmed by mainstream news.
01:16:18.000Came out and suddenly said he was the messiah.
01:16:24.000And then after they arrested the individual that made the 7-7 ripple effect, which I think is a very good film, very very well done.
01:16:31.000His website then started having comments about how he might be the messiah or something.
01:16:37.000This is a classic MI5, MI6 shake and bake.
01:16:42.000Because they know that sounds crazy, they know that's their favorite way to try to discredit the information we're putting out, is to have something come out that's really credible, and then have the person involved with it say that they're the Messiah.
01:16:56.000And this is the BBC, has a big TV program coming out on this, they've done two attacking me on 9-11.
01:17:02.000But it doesn't change the fact that local news that day reported the police were chasing down Arabs all over the city and shooting them.
01:17:10.000That these were the people that had taken part in the drill that day of a mock bombing of the very trains and bus that were attacked at the exact same place, exact same time.
01:17:19.000Now that's BBC admitting that, live that day.
01:17:22.000How strange it was a drill of the exact same trains and exact same bus being attacked at the exact same time.
01:17:28.000Just like 9-11, exact same buildings, exact same place, exact same time.
01:17:31.000And I go over all that evidence in Terror Storm, a history of government-sponsored terrorism.
01:17:38.000and uh... there's no doubt this is a psy-op and uh... you know Mr. Hill used the pseudonym Wadib out of the Dune book which I guess means uh... kind of the prophet so they say that means he's a prophet then it wasn't on his side at first after he gets arrested it pops up saying he thinks he's Jesus or something basically
01:19:13.000And they said, no, it was just made in a basement.
01:19:14.000And then the White House was on Cipro, the anthrax-fighting antibiotic, on September 10th, three and a half weeks before, enemies of Bush and American media, who took photos of his daughters falling down drunk in Austin, and Democrats and other people got mailed the weaponized anthrax.
01:19:30.000The White House is on the drug to fight it.
01:19:33.000But then they grab the doctor, they commit him, and then he dies in a straitjacket taking prescription Tylenol, locked down.
01:19:44.000But then the news says he committed suicide at his home, but then local news admits he was killed at the mental institution.
01:20:01.000I mean, that'd be like if the government came and grabbed me and took me to a mental institution and then I supposedly killed myself with drugs a day later and then they put on the news Alex Jones committed suicide and there was no mention that they grabbed me for no reason and put me in a mental institution.
01:20:15.000Because the doctor they've now pinned it on believed it was the government and was doing his own investigation and had contacted the FBI and they said, look, this guy's too close to us, grab him, kill him, say he did it.
01:20:28.000And now the DNA has come out and other things proving it wasn't him at the mailbox.
01:20:33.000We'll talk about that with Mike Rivero, briefly, coming up here, because he's also an expert on that.
01:20:37.000Unmasking the Mysterious 7-7 Conspiracy Theory, BBC.
01:20:44.000And they go over the unbelievable coincidence of the drills that morning, and Peter Powers, who won't talk to the media, he'll literally run and hide if he sees alternative media, ask him about it.
01:20:54.000And then they say Dune Clips, John Hill.
01:21:04.000He lived in Ireland where they arrested him and had him extradited to England for mailing people copies of the film.
01:21:11.000He's really John Hill from Sheffield, that's where the Watsons are from.
01:21:15.000His alias, Muad'Dib, is a fictional character in the science fiction film, Dunes.
01:21:20.000They make that sound like he's insane because of an internet handle.
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01:24:59.000I mean, this is so ridiculous that the BBC comes out and attacks all of us to talk about this is so ridiculous that the BBC comes out and attacks Comes out and attacks all of us to talk about 7-7.
01:25:17.000They got a little snipe at me in here.
01:25:23.000A document on Moabib's website reveals he believes he is the messiah and that George Lucas wrote Star Wars after being told telepathically to write it by the very force to which the films refer.
01:25:36.000He's been arrested and facing extradition to the UK on a charge of preventing the courts of justice by sending DVDs of the 7-7 ripple effect to the judge and the jury foreman and linked to the trial and the attacks.
01:26:09.000You know, we don't run a conspiracy website.
01:26:12.000Peter Powers of Visor Consultancy, former head of Scotland Yard Public Relations, said they ran a drill of the exact same trains and bus being attacked in the exact same way at the exact same time.
01:26:26.000Why do they do that as a cover story in case any government operatives get caught?
01:26:31.000By other government agencies who aren't part of the staged attack, the false flag, they can say, oh, it's just part of a drill.
01:26:38.000They camouflage the funding for the terror attack through the drill.
01:26:45.000I mean, the White House right now, publicly, the last two White Houses has Wahhabist Sunni groups attacking the Iranian government on record.
01:26:57.000And then Obama goes on TV and says it's a conspiracy theory that the CIA is involved in Iran with this color revolution, or that they have any terror groups operating when it's publicly admitted!
01:27:13.000Mike Rivero popping in for 10-15 minutes from WhatReallyHappened.com.
01:27:17.000I want to get you on a host of issues, but first off, what do you know about Cynthia McKinney?
01:27:22.000I heard you saying you were going to have her on last week.
01:27:24.000I didn't hear if she was there or not, but it's coming in here that Israel attacks Justice Boat, kidnaps human rights workers.
01:27:35.000This is coming out, being released by one of the aid organizations she's with.
01:27:42.000Today, Israeli occupation forces attacked and bombarded Free Gaza movement boat, the Spirit of Humanity, abducting 21 human rights workers in 11 countries, including Nobel laureate Mahreed Marguerite and former U.S.
01:27:57.000Congresswoman Cindy McKinney, the passengers and crew are being forcibly dragged towards Israel.
01:28:03.000This is an outrageous violation of international law against us.
01:28:07.000Our boat was on Israeli waters and we were on a human rights mission to Gaza.
01:28:35.000They're actually in a port in Israel now.
01:28:37.000The ship has basically been hijacked by the Israeli Navy and the people basically taken into custody, including six journalists and Cynthia McKinney and the aid workers.
01:28:47.000What makes this extremely serious is that, as you say, the initial contact between the Israeli Navy and the aid boat took place in international water.
01:28:56.000And the Israeli Navy was actively jamming their navigation systems, their GPS, their radar.
01:29:02.000It was very difficult to get any messages out because of all the jamming.
01:29:05.000They were reduced to trying to find where they were with a sextant and a compass.
01:29:09.000And it was just a very, very difficult situation.
01:29:12.000It was in the middle of the night when this happened.
01:29:16.000And of course, the big situation here is the corporate media, which made such a big stink about the arrest of the staffers at the British Embassy in Tehran, and they were claiming it was a new hostage crisis.
01:29:29.000The same media that was screaming about the Somali pirates hijacking ships in Somali territorial waters, this hijacking in international waters involving a humanitarian aid ship, so far is not being mentioned at all on the American corporate media that I have found yet.
01:29:43.000In fact, it's really pretty much confined to the alternative media.
01:29:47.000Your radio show and our websites are the only ones actively working to get this story out.
01:29:53.000Well, how do we know they were in international waters?
01:30:07.000I mean, even if Israelis are, quote, the ally of the United States, this would be an incident if the British government Came out in international waters and rammed it, almost sunk a ship, and then the next time it came by, went and grabbed it and is towing it in to, I guess, disappear.
01:30:23.000I mean, what comes next if our media won't talk about it?
01:30:26.000Will they line Cynthia McKinney and the Nobel Laureate up and shoot them in the back of the head?
01:30:30.000I mean, that's what happened with the USS Liberty.
01:30:33.000Well, the situation here is definitely, it's a tremendous diplomatic crisis here, and the U.S.
01:30:38.000can basically stand back and try and pretend it's no big deal, but the reality is that this boat was carrying the very sort of materials that Barack Obama had just requested Israel start to allow into Gaza.
01:30:54.000And so what Israel has basically done is thumb its nose at Barack Obama pretty much on the same day the Congress just put through some new loan guarantees for Israel to go on building settlements in the illegal occupied territories of Palestine.
01:31:09.000Israel is basically uh... on top of simply this act of piracy on the high seas in this violation of international law israel is literally almost seems like daring the united states trying to do something or at least trying to show that the u.s.
01:31:25.000is going to be forced to go on spending money in israel and israel is just going to do what it wants whether it's building more settlements or seizing ships with former congresswoman on them uh... israel is completely out of control here and they're basically I mean, the move to make would be just let her bring the medicine and cement in, and then it wouldn't be a big PR coup for Cynthia McKinney and the Free Gaza groups.
01:31:49.000I mean, I guess Israel just does not care.
01:33:06.000Well, the media obviously is not caring.
01:33:08.000They're still all caught up with Michael Jackson, and I've been around the TV channels this morning searching for any indication that this is even showing up on the radar of the corporate media, and so far I haven't found it.
01:33:20.000It's all distraction out there in the corporate media.
01:33:24.000As far as what is going to happen, Haaretz has actually confirmed That the Israeli Navy did seize the ship, so it's no longer just a case of rumor and it's all just the free Gaza people making spurious claims.
01:33:35.000Haaretz has confirmed that this has in fact happened.
01:33:40.000The crew and passengers are in custody right now.
01:33:42.000What happens next is Israel's going to make a big stink about violations of their national sovereignty, forgetting of course that Gaza is occupied territory and technically, you know, Israel doesn't have a say what goes on in Gazans waters.
01:33:57.000Of course we know that's definitely not what's going on.
01:34:00.000Israeli forces routinely shoot up Palestinian fishing boats.
01:34:05.000Because Israel wants to harvest those waters.
01:34:07.000And again, this is all about forced starvation.
01:34:10.000The Israelis are literally trying to starve the Gazans into giving up and leaving because Israel covets that land.
01:34:19.000Well, Israel's argument on record is that we took the land over here from the Native Americans, so what's wrong with them taking some of that land?
01:34:26.000And they say, hey, you had no claim to the American Indians.
01:34:37.000On another note, The video obviously surfaced.
01:34:41.000We've got it up at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
01:34:44.000But Mike Rivera, I wanted to get your view on Obama saying, I will never sign signing statements that go against the will of Congress.
01:34:51.000Now he's signing seven huge signing statements, literally drawing out whole areas of bills, which really isn't constitutional, but he's ordering the bureaucracies to ignore Congress.
01:35:06.000Then we also have Axelrod and others making the rounds on the Sunday News Show saying, yeah, we're going to go ahead and raise taxes on everybody and on health care below $250,000.
01:35:17.000And they're saying Obama promised a compromise.
01:35:20.000So he made pledges he wouldn't raise taxes and he made pledges He wouldn't do signing statements, but now he made pledges to compromise, so that means lying to people.
01:35:31.000I mean, this guy is broken every promise he said he would.
01:35:47.000And maybe we ought to sell egg timers that say Obama Truth Measuring Device or something like that.
01:35:53.000But really, he's been this incredible disappointment because we all, I know you didn't, you know, There were so many people who supported him as at least marginally better than John McCain because we were expecting that there were going to be changes brought in.
01:36:10.000The White House and Congress were going to be in Democratic hands.
01:36:39.000I am convinced our government knows that the end is near for the economy and that the only way they can survive is to kick up a major war on which they can blame the economic hardships.
01:36:50.000Because otherwise, absent a major war, the American people are going to put the blame for the destroyed economy right where it belongs, on the federal government.
01:36:59.000Mike, briefly, on every front, this bill for the feds to federalize the whole country under water rights, this Clean Water Restoration Act, the bill to give the Federal Reserve power over all financial operations, and quote, anything that affects the economies of the entire nation, bills to restrict and ban most types of firearms, compulsory service, the global carbon tax,
01:37:25.000uh... total amnesty i've never seen such a wild rush to get it all done and the hate crimes legislation passing the house word-for-word saying if you hurt someone's feelings you're gonna be arrested no more free speech i mean it did this is they know we're waking up to him so they're just going for broke right now That's exactly right.
01:37:49.000They know that it's in a race against the clock because the American people are waking up.
01:37:54.000I'm surprised that the American people haven't been rioting to this point, but it has to happen at some point.
01:38:00.000There's going to be a catalyzing event where the American people are going to say, OK, we can't go on pretending that this is going to correct itself.
01:38:07.000The government is completely out of control.
01:38:13.000They're basically moving to slam the door on all of us to make us so helpless we can't fight back.
01:38:18.000And we've got to decide that we're going to fight back while we still have the means and the option to do so.
01:38:23.000Well, Mike, the reason I knew Obama was bad news is eight, nine months before the election, he was saying some really good things.
01:38:29.000And I said, well, this guy, if he's for real, they're going to put a bullet in him or they're going to bring some scandal out and get rid of him.
01:38:36.000But then as he started getting ready to win, He started flip-flopping on almost everything.
01:38:43.000I saw him getting four times the Wall Street money that John McCain did, so it wasn't that I was for John McCain.
01:38:49.000I just knew that Obama was the chosen one, and if the establishment was saying he was the chosen one, there was no way he was going to honor all these pledges, these solemn pledges he had made.
01:39:00.000And so, now it's just total betrayal, and when I see him go to The Middle East and say I want to be friends with Iran a month ago.
01:39:11.000I went on air and I said they're about to try to overthrow him during this election.
01:39:14.000Sure enough that happened and he's lying saying the CIA isn't involved and they're involved on record.
01:39:20.000So Obama says he's not involved in the Honduran coup and now it comes out the CIA is running the whole thing.
01:39:27.000I mean it's just this guy is a good liar.
01:39:30.000He's the best liar we've seen in a long time.
01:39:43.000Final point I'd like to hear from you on.
01:39:45.000You've really done great research on whatreallyhappened.com on the Anthrax case.
01:39:49.000In three minutes or less, break down that whole saga, and then them grabbing him and killing him in the mental institution, and now the DNA comes out proving it wasn't him, the third Patsy, because that ties into this BBC.
01:40:00.000They've grabbed and arrested this guy that made this 7-7 documentary, and now they're saying he's schizophrenic and thinks he's God.
01:40:11.000Well, this is a tactic that's right out of the Soviet Union.
01:40:14.000Anybody who had information that was damaging to the government and they couldn't disprove or discredit him, they'd declare them insane and lock them in a mental hospital.
01:40:21.000And the media would basically say, well, you can't listen to anything this guy says because he's a nutcase.
01:40:26.000And this is a common tactic, and the U.S.
01:40:30.000Jim Garrison's trial, you were talking about
01:40:33.000uh... the shake-and-bake tactic Jim Garrison's trial against Clay Shaw was destroyed by a witness who sounded really good and convincing up until he started admitting that he was worried about his daughter being replaced by a duplicate and completely destroyed Garrison's case as far as the anthrax case is concerned uh... they've been trying to blame it on Arabs and so forth and so on when that fell apart they started to find a patsy the bottom line is the Hartford Courant reported there was a scientist actually caught entering the storage area where the anthrax was kept
01:41:01.000Without authorization after being fired over a racially motivated attack on an Egyptian co-worker.
01:41:07.000That scientist has never been investigated by the FBI.
01:41:32.000There's this protected core of subversives within our government.
01:41:36.000They can't be touched no matter what they do.
01:41:40.000Yeah, there's a whole bunch of cores of subversives who can do whatever they want, but they had to at least burn Madoff and the other scammer out of Texas.
01:41:48.000Looks like he's gonna get in trouble, but my God, It's just really incredible to see all of this coming to pass.
01:41:59.000I mean, Mike, everything the New World Order has built, everything the globalists have worked so hard to set up, we're now at the point where they're trying to put the capstone on the pyramid, but under them, the whole pyramid's shaking and falling apart, and they've got an army of ants fixing the pyramid.
01:42:15.000As it's collapsing, so they're building it as fast as it's collapsing.
01:42:27.000They've waited too long, too late, and they never quite understood just how the alternative media and the Internet change the fundamental flow of information in society.
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01:47:37.000So we'll see what happens with that coming up in a few minutes.
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01:52:15.000Brain damaging the people of the planet.
01:52:19.000They use entertainment, Madison Avenue, systems of peer pressure control to turn the young people into insecure, gibbering idiots like Miss Teen South Carolina.
01:52:38.000But many of the people involved in all of this are not aware.
01:52:42.000They are just simply swimming in the ether into which they were born.
01:52:47.000But we attempt to understand popular culture.
01:52:49.000We attempt to, from the outside, look in on it.
01:52:53.000And hopefully, enter the matrix and remove some of the mind slaves from the system and try to get them to see outside the box at the larger world.
01:53:04.000Now, again, I should pay more attention to popular culture.
01:53:07.000I pay attention to the news, to Congress, to legislation, to technology trade publications.
01:53:13.000I don't really know much about Paris Hilton and Michael Jackson.
01:53:17.000I just know he likes little kids and gives them the Jesus juice.
01:53:21.000But Spencer Pratt and his girlfriend are some of the hottest reality TV stars out there.
01:53:29.000And I started getting all these calls and emails and Twitters yesterday about the girl that plays Hannah Montana, the Cyrus girl, which I do know a little bit about.
01:53:41.000The, you know, tweenie vehicle to sell products to the tweenies.
01:53:46.000And that somebody was twittering her and she was asking, what is InfoWars?
01:53:51.000So that led us down this path to Spencer Pratt, who everybody in the office knows who he is, so I plead ignorance.
01:53:57.000I read up on him last night and I've heard he's seen some of my films and woke up to the New World Order now.
01:54:03.000And so boy, wouldn't that be effective to have somebody like that become aware of what's going on and kind of reach into the Matrix and reach more of these people.
01:54:12.000In the false reality that is modern television and this culture.
01:54:16.000But Spencer Pratt, good to have you on with us today.
01:54:33.000You guys quit being too nice to me now.
01:54:35.000Let's just sit here and talk about your awakening.
01:54:38.000I mean, why are you now here on the show?
01:54:41.000I mean, we saw that you were talking about it, so we contacted you, but I haven't seen a lot about you guys dealing with the New World Order.
01:54:47.000Is this something you just woke up to, Heidi and Spencer?
01:54:51.000I mean, just like everybody else on the Earth, we've been too caught up in ourselves and pop culture and things of no substance.
01:54:59.000And thank the Lord, Heidi's music producer, Steve Morales, he got us a copy of The Obama Deception and then Endgame.
01:55:07.000And then we watched Masters of Terror, then the 9-11 Chronicles, Matrix the Evil, Police State Trilogy, American Dictators.
01:55:17.000I mean, we watched I mean, my head's gonna explode without Jones.
01:55:23.000Okay, so you've got your wife, Heidi, on with you as well.
01:55:28.000I apologize, I'd forgotten that I'd seen you guys have gotten married.
01:55:32.000How long ago did you guys start researching this, Heidi and Spencer?
01:55:37.000I would say several months ago, but I've always been a big Christian, so I knew about the Mark of the Beast and, you know, the Antichrist and the end of the world, but I just never realized Who it was.
01:55:51.000I felt like in my time since I was a child, but this is a whole different awakening with facts and with what's really going on every day in the world.
01:56:01.000Well, I don't think the establishment's going to like you guys waking up.
01:56:04.000I mean, you reach millions and millions of young people.
01:56:08.000Literally, even older folks in my office know who you guys are, so I'm kind of embarrassed that I just now discovered.
01:56:16.000But I mean, all over pop magazines, TV, David Letterman, all these other shows, Maybe you can also explain to me, because I know about the New World Order and about the whole control grid, but also maybe you can explain to me and others exactly what this phenomenon is of your type of celebrity as well, so we can better understand how to reach out to these young people.
01:56:38.000So we've got Spencer Pratt and his wife Heidi Pratt on the line with us, so we'll go over all of that.
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02:00:37.000And so we started all these calls and thousands of Twitter messages about Miley Cyrus, Billy Ray Cyrus' daughter that plays Hannah Montana, which of course everybody knows is a giant icon now with little girls and teenagers out there, that Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag, we're sitting there twittering her and she's saying, what's InfoWars?
02:01:04.000And so then that gets all these young girls and teenagers to go look at InfoWars.com.
02:01:11.000We want these kids at least to stop drinking sodium fluoride that gives them bone cancer, dental fluorosis and brain damage and calcifies every major organ and causes pancreatic cancer and diabetes.
02:01:20.000You can Google each one of those terms and get mainstream news admitting that.
02:01:23.000We want girls to know that a lot of these birth control drugs actually sterilize them.
02:01:29.000We want women to know the UN's been caught adding sterilization hormones to tetanus shots.
02:01:34.000We want to reach young women especially who are targeted by the globalists.
02:01:38.000And so this is kind of an end run to the back door of the cultural mind control system to have somebody like Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag Pratt on with us, because the system is using these type of young icons to keep people in the Matrix, to have them breaking out of the Matrix is a big deal.
02:01:56.000So I'm going to try to shut up for a few minutes and let Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag, husband and wife, talk about your awakening to the New World Order, the films, and now what you want to say in your message that has been followed by young people Where you're going with this information that you've now discovered.
02:02:16.000Well, like I said, you know, it's a recent awakening.
02:02:20.000I really do feel like we took the blue pill or whatever and Matrix and I feel like you really did pull that little mechanical thing out of the back of my brain because Heidi and I have both, or as I should say, Spidey, have led to the situation we are out of this planet where, you know, there's so much attention and focus on so many of the wrong issues.
02:02:43.000Like, how are we so famous when, you know, the climate bill is not even a trending topic on Twitter?
02:02:50.000For the last three days, I've just kept on asking everybody, as my followers, how is this not a trending topic?
02:02:56.000We got everything from Michael Jackson to, you know, Jamie Foxx was a trending topic.
02:03:02.000We even had Iran was a trending topic, but nothing about, you know, the biggest deal, you know, since the Patriot Act getting passed with nobody reading it.
02:03:10.000And the people who do want to read it, they say you can't even read it.
02:03:13.000And they're not even giving anybody time and they're changing the name of the bill.
02:03:16.000And I mean, it's just it's mind boggling that they're trying to say there's global warming right now.
02:03:21.000And, you know, that the ice caps are melting and the polar bears are going to drown.
02:03:25.000And we all know, we've all seen footage of the polar bears swimming to new pieces of ice.
02:03:30.000And we all know that at least anybody who does their research, thanks to Alex Jones, knows that it was the coldest winter in years in Antarctica.
02:04:33.000And I'm arguing here with my genius, genius friend who lives and breathes business and everything.
02:04:39.000And he is shocked, like I just told him, you know, I don't even know what I told him.
02:04:44.000He was so just shocked and blown away by the fact that he couldn't believe that the Federal Reserve, that he, you know, he's been to business school and he doesn't even know this?
02:04:54.000I almost threw up that I had to tell my friend who's an investment banker who works for a major firm that the Federal Reserve is not, is not, you know, an American part of the government, you know?
02:05:12.000You said one of your managers, or one of Heidi's managers, gave you the Obama deception?
02:05:18.000Keith Morales is a music producer of mine, and we were in the studio one night, and he was watching us, and he said, you guys need to watch it.
02:05:25.000You need to know you're the youth of America.
02:05:28.000You need to know what's going on in America.
02:05:29.000You need to know what's going on in this world.
02:05:32.000And I believe then, he, yeah, I call his dumb head, that we didn't know.
02:05:37.000So, we started watching this, and then Spencer ordered every single DVD and has been non-stop researching your websites and the internet and everything now for at least a month, all day, every day.
02:05:50.000So, we've just been trying to figure out the truth, and I've always been a very big Christian, so I've always known, you know, the Mark of the Beast and the Antichrist and Jesus coming back.
02:06:22.000In fact, have you guys seen all the newscasts saying we all need chips, old people need them, prisoners, the troops, a lot of them have been secretly chipped, the Mexican Attorney General made his employees take chips, and now to get in the cool clubs in Europe and the US, they want you to take a chip?
02:06:38.000And they've got federal officials going around telling people we all need to take chips.
02:06:43.000And the churches aren't saying anything because they've been 501c3 federalized.
02:06:49.000And you have the clergy response teams where FEMA has secretly federalized the churches.
02:07:17.000I will not be conformed to this world.
02:07:19.000That will not happen, and people should stand up, because I am not, you know, being covered up by FEMA right now.
02:07:26.000I am a disciple of Jesus, and I will speak out to Christians, and I will let people know this is not right.
02:07:32.000Well, we may have to put you in the Homeland Security Mayak report.
02:07:36.000What do you guys think about all these reports saying gun owners, Christians, conservatives, people that won't accept the New World Order are terrorists, and Homeland Security was really set up for us, not for Al Qaeda.
02:07:49.000I mean, it's just so terrifying if you look at history.
02:07:52.000When they start taking away your gun rights, just like Hitler did, just like Mussolini did, just like Mao Zedong did, it's like, that's when you know.
02:08:01.000I mean, I need to learn the Constitution way better, but I know there's, you'll know the quote, but something about when the lawful take away your guns, they become the unlawful, is that it?
02:08:13.000Well, yeah, the Declaration of Independence states over and over again that when the government becomes abusive and oppressive, it's your right to go up against them, and that the Constitution and Bill of Rights only points out your God-given rights, rights you already had.
02:08:26.000It's kind of like they had laws that black people weren't human beings, but natural law said they were human beings and had a right, if somebody was beating them over the head with a bullwhip, to jerk the whip away and kill the person that was doing it.
02:08:38.000So, kind of like Nazi Germany, they said, Hitler said it was his law that he could kill whoever he wanted, but the people really had a right to stand up against Hitler and try to stop him.
02:08:50.000So, I mean, that's really what's happening there is that tyranny always tries to disarm the people.
02:08:55.000What are your friends saying in the last few months as you guys have been Kind of getting away from being so obsessed with image or TV or success and fame, which is the number one goal of most people now in the United States and worldwide, into these type of subjects.
02:09:14.000What are your friends and family and neighbors and colleagues saying?
02:09:17.000I mean, they're all, you know, because media has been so good at labeling, you know, you know, anybody with facts and trying to, you know, take away from the status quo as conspiracy theorists.
02:09:28.000So at first, they're like, oh, you know, their instinct makes them just, the truth feels crazy.
02:09:33.000The reality is, you give them an Obama deception DVD, and you say, how about we have this conversation after you watch this DVD?
02:09:40.000Next thing you know, I got my friends, you know, twittering info wars, you know?
02:09:47.000You have to be presented with the facts, and nobody ever is, and that's why I feel so privileged that God did give us the opportunity to have so many people be aware of us, whether they like us or not.
02:10:01.000my voice is now going to be aware of the info words that are attacking your mind.
02:10:05.000And, you know, it's just so sick because, I mean, once you really put us on the fluoride, like my dad, who's a dentist, has been telling me my whole life, do not use toothpaste with fluoride.
02:10:15.000You know, you don't listen to your dad, especially when he's your dentist.
02:10:18.000You're just like, eh, I don't want to use my bleaching toothpaste.
02:10:23.000And then I'll watch your documentaries and all the science about, you know, what fluoride does and how they use fluoride in concentration camps and fluoride was the first thing put in the water for the Iraqi people.
02:10:35.000And it's like now, you know how hard it is for me to go to market and even find a drinking water bottle that says fluoride free or even to find a toothpaste that says fluoride free?
02:10:46.000Like I'm trying to stock up on these because they don't even exist anymore.
02:10:56.000Now, guys, Heidi, we're about to go to break, but what has it been like for you talking to friends and family and neighbors now that you're kind of shifting your view?
02:11:08.000Because I've always been a very serious Christian.
02:11:11.000And most Christians understand what's going on.
02:11:14.000They understand they're being persecuted.
02:11:16.000They understand this is the end of the world.
02:11:18.000They understand the New World Order, the One World Currency, is all in Revelations in the Bible.
02:11:24.000So they're taking me very seriously, and they know when I mean something, that it's a message, and I'm not just full of things, and I tell the truth, and, you know?
02:11:33.000Jesus says to hate evil, and to claim what is good.
02:11:37.000You know, so also, we're being in that, and I mean, it's just a very scary thing, and first and so I'm glad you said that, because I had a whole realization about that the other day, and I thought... Well, stay there, stay there, Heidi.
02:11:51.000Heidi Montag and her husband, Spencer Pratt, both on the line with us right now.
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02:16:18.000Heidi, you were trying to tell a story before we hit that break.
02:16:21.000I was just saying about birth control because I got very scared about it the other day, and I felt like God was telling me that this was something just created by the government that is really bad for my body, and I was just getting sick.
02:16:34.000And I researched it, and one of the founding people who invented birth control said it was the worst thing that they've ever done.
02:16:45.000How it morally corrupted society is just sickening to him.
02:16:50.000How it devalues women, how it causes depression, how it can cause cancer, how it sterilizes your body and what it does to your body, how most women are suicidal sometimes on it.
02:17:02.000And in fact, in order to even stabilize the population right now, each woman would have to have three children.
02:17:10.000That the population is decreasing so much that population control is just a myth.
02:17:16.000That's right, because the eugenicists want to kill the West, because they see that as their competition.
02:17:21.000Then they're going to kill the third world.
02:17:23.000But that's the key for all these racist white people that go, yeah, kill the Africans, kill the Asians, yeah, we need to get rid of them.
02:17:30.000They're being reduced as well, and exactly.
02:18:45.000Well, certainly the end of the civilization as we know it, because of technological developments and all the other lines that are projecting right now to this mega-crossroads, this key time that society is entering right now, specifically with The girl that plays Hannah Montana, this Cyrus girl who is such a megastar around the world.
02:19:11.000One of you guys was texting her from the exchange I saw and we posted at presentplanet.com and she said, what is InfoWars?
02:19:18.000And just from that we got thousands of Twitters and emails and more pouring in today from new listeners and young people trying to find out what's going on and trying to discover what's happening.
02:19:28.000I mean that is so valuable to see that going on.
02:19:31.000I hope That you guys and others can reach out to Miss Cyrus and explain to her she's being used by the globalists who want to restrict free speech with the Cyber Bullying Act that states, and I'm going to read it after the break, word for word, that if you hurt someone's feelings The government's going to come charge you with a felony and put you in prison, the end of the First Amendment.
02:19:54.000I mean, obviously bullying isn't a nice thing, but having the feds come arrest people for their speech, I don't think she wants to be known as the person that helped kill America.
02:20:05.000No, and I know Miley, and she's a great girl, and I was twittering her about it because I want everyone to be aware about it.
02:20:13.000And it's very hard to find out about you because they try to keep InfoWars and Alex Jones, everything very hidden and secretive because they know that the weapon used against them is truth.
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02:25:42.000Because what I'm getting here from the office is, is you guys are all over TV, all over the news, covers of magazines.
02:25:47.000You know, when I started looking into you yesterday, I recognized your faces and names, even though I hadn't really been paying attention to pop culture.
02:25:54.000Because I've got to remember that pop culture is where it's all at.
02:25:56.000Most Americans don't even check the news, much less go deep into it.
02:26:01.000So, what is your relationship with the media?
02:26:04.000Uh, we used to have a phenomenal relationship with the media.
02:26:08.000They've kind of turned on us now because they've created us into such a monstrous fame monster, in their opinion, that, like, we, like, for instance, certain websites can't even have us on their website because we are overshadowing all the other stars that they're trying to promote and everything.
02:26:29.000And now they kind of make a mistake because other people they're trying to promote don't even have value on their websites anymore.
02:26:36.000So, you know, they've kind of turned on us.
02:26:38.000But in the beginning, the reason why we got so big is because the girls' television show, the reality show that we were both on, the narrator didn't get along with us.
02:26:50.000So the skew, the manipulation of the angle of being able to narrate the show, just like American government can narrate our media, it's the same exact principles.
02:27:01.000Like, so they can either put a positive light on you or a negative light.
02:27:05.000We took the negative light and smiled and went with it.
02:27:08.000And, you know, we're very appreciative of, you know, good press, negative press, whatever, because at the end of the day, now we have a bigger, you know, reach to talk about Alex Jones and, you know, the New World Order takeover.
02:27:20.000You were telling me during the break, though, that your life has really changed traditionally.
02:27:26.000Can you say that in your own words for the audience?
02:27:28.000But really challenge young people to spread the word about the New World Order takeover that we're in the middle of.
02:27:36.000I mean, uh, it's beyond a life change.
02:27:39.000Like, when I said you gave me the Matrix Pearl, you know, I really feel like I'm out of the Matrix, and we're driving around in that little spaceship in the sewers, and you're at the helm.
02:27:49.000Because, I mean, what young people need to realize, what I didn't realize, is that video games and all these hate blogs, which is, you know, no substance, just You know, just evil.
02:28:00.000You know, all blogs are just making fun of people, you know, breaking people down, you know, getting the right comments.
02:28:06.000You know, it's just like the, the bathroom wall, you know, on the internet.
02:28:10.000And for me, just yesterday, I'm 25 years old and it took me, you know, yesterday to delete on my bookmarks on my iPhone and my computer.
02:28:21.000website that feed me, you know, just popcorn news, and all my blogs that, you know, about Hollywood and the music industry, all this stuff that has no meaning in our lives right now. - Exactly, they wanna get you drunk on petty issues, like that story from Yahoo News, the they wanna get you drunk on petty issues, like that story from Yahoo News, the cover charge at this club, an RFID implant, and it says, "Take the chips, "you don't have to worry about money, "worry about nothing, just party
02:28:53.000To free customers of the burdens of having to carry their purses and wallets.
02:28:57.000But really, you're being enslaved to a chip to track and trace everything you do to bring you into this electronic straitjacket, this electronic prison or plantation or neo-serf feudalist system, and it's sold as if it's so good, and then the girls and the boys and the teenagers, the young people, are all so insecure because they don't look like a Heidi or they don't look like a Spencer.
02:29:22.000That then makes them insecure so the establishment can come in and then sell them the products and then make them never feel like empowered entities or creatures alive one time on this planet as a test by God to see where they go in the future.
02:29:37.000I think it's very exciting that you guys, these big pop culture icons, are now having this metamorphosis to the New World Order.
02:29:46.000Is it fair to say you guys have woken up then to the Matrix and the New World Order?
02:30:03.000That's a word that they've created to make people sound crazy.
02:30:07.000It's like, you only sound crazy if you don't believe what everyone believes, if you're not a sheep.
02:30:12.000But that's not what God says, and now that people are trying to play God on this earth, it's very scary.
02:30:17.000And I pray for their souls, because there's a lot more than this life, and do not mess with God or his people, because there will be punishment for it.
02:30:44.000We're incriminating ourselves by laziness and it's very sad and I really pray for America and that everybody wakes up because this tip is the end of Well, I will tell you what happened is Old Hollywood, the really big stars, they're all awake to this and I know A lot of these people, and a lot of them have reached out to me publicly, but most of them off record, and they're totally aware of the technological control grid.
02:31:12.000They're totally aware of the vaccines and the fluoride and the New World Order.
02:31:16.000They're totally freaked out just trying to do their movies to make money so they can, you know, live outside the country or live in an armored compound.
02:31:26.000They're totally freaked out, but just playing along with the system.
02:31:30.000Then there's kind of the new Hollywood super hype that just bypasses movies and films and just moves right to these kind of pop creations like you guys.
02:31:41.000But to have you kind of at the front lines of the Matrix system taking over people's brains, to have you breaking out of the Matrix all because one of your music Uh, uh, managers or friends showed you the Obama deception, and then that led you down deeper into the rabbit hole, uh, is just so incredibly exciting.
02:31:59.000Now, in the last few months, since you started waking up to this, have you seen the media come after you even more?
02:32:05.000Because folks in my office that are aware of what's happening, they say it seems the last few months, the media's even been savaging you that much more.
02:32:14.000We're just getting angrier and angrier, but I feel like the world is just getting angrier and angrier.
02:32:20.000I don't even think it's necessarily that.
02:32:22.000They want to come harder after us to distract people even more from what's going on in their own lives.
02:32:27.000So they're not thinking, oh wow, I'm in debt, the government's taking over, what are we going to do?
02:32:32.000They're thinking, oh well Heidi and Spencer are blah blah blah.
02:32:51.000Everything is accelerating towards this collapse.
02:32:56.000And they mean to build on those ashes this world government, which its plan stated in my film, Endgame Blueprint for Global Enslavement, on record, is to kill at least 80% of us.
02:33:08.000And I'm sorry folks, that's more important than if your Botox is working.
02:33:13.000That's more important than Michael Jackson is the lion state for all his fans at the Neverland Pervert Ranch.
02:33:22.000It's more important that Barack Obama is running a pimp game of lying to everybody about everything he said he would do than whether or not Anna Nicole Smith was murdered.
02:33:35.000I mean, what really hit me is when you started, you know, uncovering all the evidence of how, you know, Obama's just all tied into all these energy companies.
02:33:45.000And it's just like Bush and his whole crew, they were all about the oil.
02:33:49.000But America, when they were ready to revolutionize and get, you know, really make a stand, you know, they threw in Obama, and now he's, oh, oil's bad.
02:34:46.000What about governments staging terror attacks?
02:34:48.000Is 9-11 an inside job from your research?
02:34:50.000Not from my research, but from your research, it 100% is.
02:34:55.000Because I can't even believe that it took me seeing your film to know about Building 7.
02:35:03.000How did that not hit the news to media?
02:35:05.000How did, like, oh, and my favorite clip in your film is when the owner of the World Trade Center, he goes, I said, bring it down.
02:35:13.000I mean, I don't know the statistics, but I've watched documentaries on Vegas blowing up buildings.
02:35:18.000They charge the buildings up for, like, two weeks to, like, a month.
02:35:22.000How did they just steal enough bombs to take down Building 7 so beautifully in, like, a half hour?
02:35:27.000You know, like, that just made me sick.
02:35:30.000Well, you just joined the ranks of Andres von Mulo, former German defense minister, high-level members of the Japanese government.
02:35:38.000You just joined the ranks of Charlie Sheen and Willie Nelson and Governor Jesse Ventura and countless others on this show that have gone public for 9-11 Truth.
02:36:14.000When I read on your site, infowars.com, that Obama already, he just, didn't he just end the lawsuit against the Saudi family for the 9-11 families?
02:36:24.000Like, I mean, I just, I want to throw up.
02:37:58.000They've done such a good job of making everyone live through movies and video games that you don't really feel like this is life.
02:38:05.000But people, this is life, and you have won, and it's given to you by God, and that's the only person who should tell you what you should do.
02:38:12.000It says in the Bible that we should be free men and only answer to God.
02:38:33.000I'll sit there at a restaurant with my children and my wife and my kids.
02:38:38.000We don't watch a lot of TV at home, very little, and they'll just like zombies be watching and all the other kids are like zombies watching the TV, even if it's the, you know, soccer game or Kentucky Derby or, you know, Fox News, they're watching it.
02:38:51.000And other kids are sitting there playing video games while they're at the table.
02:38:55.000You know, kids at other tables with their parents, not even communicating with their family.
02:39:00.000I mean, people are literally being programmed by this.
02:39:03.000And having pop sensations like yourselves come out and expose this is going to be a big blow against the establishment.
02:39:10.000But all I can say is, guys, get ready to be attacked, because I think you're going to have even more attacks from the mainstream media.
02:39:19.000But I think no weapon formed against you will prosper.
02:39:21.000I think that's going to backfire and only give you more attention.
02:39:25.000Amen, and I agree, and we are in Jesus' hands, and you can persecute us.
02:39:29.000You can say whatever you want, that's fine, because we are not conformed to this world.
02:39:33.000We are living for eternal life, and I pray for all these souls, and that's the only thing that matters.
02:39:40.000Well, this has been an incredible interview, and we've got about 12 minutes or so left with a break in the middle.
02:39:46.000Other points about the New World Order.
02:39:49.000Because once you come out of the Matrix, and This has happened to me in phases as well.
02:39:54.000When I first got on air 13 years ago, I was more of a mainline kind of Ron Paul libertarian, and then I kept discovering stuff was real, and a newspaper reporter said, come to Bohemian Grove, try to sneak in.
02:40:05.000And I snuck in and got the footage, and there were world leaders doing a mock human sacrifice, and Vanity Fair snuck in and got arrested, but not before they saw homosexual orgies with so-called Christian Republican leaders.
02:40:19.000And my whole issue is that Truth is so much crazier than the fiction they put on the news and TV.
02:40:27.000That's all a distraction to keep from seeing the real world.
02:40:31.000Heidi Spencer, your comments on Bohemian Grove and this whole Luciferian system?
02:40:36.000I mean, honestly, I can't even imagine listeners who haven't seen your DVD around the Bohemian Grove.
02:40:41.000It just sounds like so far-fetched and conspiracy-based, so anybody who's listening that thinks that sounds crazy, you need to watch it for yourself.
02:40:49.000When you see all these powerful world leaders, you know, business people, politicians, wearing robes, you know, screaming to fire as the ash, the fake human It's getting burned, and they're all screaming, and they're wearing cloaks.
02:41:04.000It's like, these are not the people I want running my country.
02:41:08.000Anybody dressed in a cloak and around a fire is not supposed to be who's running America.
02:41:15.000In fact, I just thought to try to pull up on YouTube the clip of the high priest, and when they practiced the mock burning of the child, that horrible scream.
02:41:26.000And then the media said, well, Alex, you snuck in.
02:41:31.000But I was there with the old men in the audience.
02:41:33.000They were getting off on it, and in a type of religious rapture.
02:41:37.000Other Hollywood folks you talk to about this stuff, are they saying, yeah, I knew this was going on all along, but just didn't know the full picture, or I knew something was wrong in my gut, or are they saying, hey, you're just a kook?
02:41:52.000We're like Bonnie and Clyde over here.
02:41:56.000We have just been telling the people who matter the most in our lives, which are our family and friends and our Twitter fans, and trying to really get the whole world aware, but I saw that clip and I was praying to Jesus that that was not a real child that they were mock burning, because I heard that scream.
02:42:12.000And that was a gut-wrenching, that's a crazy, crazy sacrifice.
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02:42:19.000Our forefathers, this is a Christian country.
02:42:22.000And people have seemed to forgot that by now, that there's all these religions, and which one, and any religion's okay.
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02:46:52.000Yeah, Heidi and I both partnered with Warner Music Group and we're distributing albums and my first rap album is going to be called InfoWars and my first single, I'm pretty sure it's going to be called The Patriot Act.
02:47:04.000Regardless of the title of the first single, I would love it Mr. Jones if you would get your megaphone out and come surprise the song with that extra momentum that it needs.
02:47:16.000Sure, just send me a script and I'll bullhorn it and send you a recording of it if that'll work for you.
02:47:21.000Anything to get the truth out to the people and reach the population.
02:47:26.000I think you're going to get a lot of feedback from this show today, and so that's why I want to have you back in the next few days and talk about the feedback you get from people in the media, your friends, your colleagues, but also your fans.
02:47:37.000Tell us, the listeners out there, about your websites and Twitter accounts.
02:47:41.000Uh, well, my Twitter is, uh, at Spencer Pratt, and my wife's is at Heidi Montag, but the only thing anybody should be paying attention to is at Infowars, because we are running out of time.
02:47:54.000I, I feel, I'm so sorry to America that I have distracted you for, uh, two and a half years with all of mine and my wife's antics that you know we're all about our selfishness and about our own fame and you know our own success when we should have been way more concerned about the success of america and what it stands for and you know the issues that are so much more important than any of the things i've ever talked about in the media what they do is
02:48:19.000they use your obsession with who you are and how you look to put that same obsession on other people so that we're all so obsessed with how we look and what we're saying and so insecure that we can't ever see the wider world around Heidi, comments on that?
02:48:32.000I definitely agree with that and you know with just this whole media and with all the girls and how you're supposed to look and you know the truth is these people in the media wouldn't even act like that if it wasn't their job.
02:48:47.000You know it's our job now to really inform people and to step back from that and to educate people and you know there are kids who listen and these kids need to secure their own future because no one's going to do it for you and these people are just snakes coming out and it's very sad and it's very painful to watch and you know I'm just really really praying for America and I'm really praying for this world because
02:49:11.000It's a very sad, vapid, shallow world that they've put everyone into the only thing they care about.
02:49:19.000In the meanwhile, we're in the ice-cold, you know, thousand-league-deep New World Order ocean, focused on this mile-wide, inch-deep mainstream media.
02:49:31.000In closing, tell folks about your current TV show.
02:49:34.000Are we going to see any of these messages on the show, or are they going to edit that out?
02:49:38.000No, they would definitely edit that out, because it's only about The drama in our lives and with other characters and storyline.
02:49:47.000But we will definitely try to get this message out wherever we can, whenever we can, and as often as we can.
02:49:53.000And we're just, our thoughts and prayers are with you too.
02:49:55.000And we thank you for everything that you've done and for being a true patriot that this country needs way more men like you.
02:50:02.000And we are grateful for you dedicating your life to this.
02:50:05.000And we have two new videos and you've been doing this for a long time.
02:50:11.000Okay, well, we'll stay in touch in the next few days, because I think this is going to probably be pretty big in the media.
02:50:16.000That's great, because all these young people that are focused on you guys will now, you know, find out some of what you're saying behind the scenes that they don't see on the different television shows like The Hills You Do.
02:50:27.000But Heidi Montag and, of course, Spencer Pratt, we appreciate both of you joining us.
02:50:32.000MySpace.com forward slash Spencer Pratt is also another site we saw.
02:50:37.000Thank you so much for spending time with us.