In this episode of Conspiracy Theories, host Alex Jones talks to Webster Griffin Tarpley about the growing threat posed to the United States by the Obama administration, the rise of the white supremacist militia movement, and the use of white supremacists to destabilize the country.
00:00:20.000On the government will hype swine flu outbreak to save Obamacare warns Dick Armey.
00:00:28.000We have Congressman Brown saying they're going to use it to stage martial law.
00:00:32.000We have the Governor's Association sending a letter to Congress and the Department of Defense saying you can't put regular army to patrol America.
00:00:42.000400,000 total in deposit commentatus, total military dictatorship.
00:00:48.000It is now actually happening here in the good old U.S.
00:01:17.000So, Webster will probably be back the next week with nothing but solutions, but I want him to give us a taste of those at the end of this hour.
00:01:24.000But right now, talking to Webster Griffin Tarpley, I wanted to go into the second front opening up, not just conservatives and anti-big government people waking up in the town hall meetings, And his approval ratings dropping three points last week.
00:01:42.000Depending on which poll you look at, he has a 47 at the top to a 42 at the bottom with Gallup and Rasmussen and all these other polls.
00:01:54.000We've got them linked up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
00:01:59.000But I wanted to feed into Tarpley's political brain data I've noticed as well and get his take on that after we talk about the second front and his idea of getting Cindy Sheehan while Obama's on vacation for a month.
00:02:16.000They're always planning something when that happens.
00:02:18.000To go out and confront him or go out and stand in front of the White House to try to reignite that attention and show people that she just wasn't this leftist figure.
00:02:28.000And that she was discarded as soon as she actually really tried to end the war.
00:02:32.000But Webster, I understand you talk about what you've researched and what you know, but clearly you see them saying militias are about to attack, gun owners are about to attack, all gun owners are basically white supremacists that hate black people, and the DHS reports demonizing gun owners, returning veterans.
00:02:51.000Now they're saying that, let me just finish this, now they're saying that they're planning to stage terror attacks, they're hyping all this, and I see the Obama counter, I'm just going to tell you right now, not just being flu pandemic being their cover, unless we expose it, but staging Oklahoma-style attacks domestically to shore up support for a foreign operation, or maybe finally completing the Clinton-era stage terror,
00:03:21.000Of finally saying the homegrown terrorists are working with Al-Qaeda, a plan, a script, they planned to go with in 95, but backed off of, and just went with the homegrown.
00:03:34.000So, I see this in the cards, I see this in the tea leaves, as I stand over the cauldron here, I'm asking you with that data, are you not seeing this chatter, or do you have a comment?
00:03:46.000Well, I would certainly say that if you go back to the 1990s, the militias were heavily infiltrated and to some degree a project.
00:03:56.000Some of them were founded by the FBI and by the domestic counterintelligence and counterinsurgency.
00:04:04.000And if you look in my book, 9-11 Synthetic Terror, I've got a whole thing in there about, in particular, activities of British intelligence.
00:04:11.000Because this was the playground, in particular, of British intelligence inside the U.S.
00:04:17.000And the advantage of using the British is that they're not susceptible to U.S.
00:05:06.000It's now turning out that almost all these major white supremacist groups are not infiltrated, but run by the Feds, by the British, by the Germans, and by Israel.
00:05:15.000Israel Uh, is, uh, is, uh, also, uh, you know, you have these white supremacist commanders with classic, you know, Jewish archetypal Ashkenazi features.
00:05:25.000I've been to some of these events to protest them, and it's like, my God, there's the ADL on stage.
00:05:29.000Like, Adam Gadon, the Al-Qaeda leader, you know, ADL grandson, you know, the grandson of the ADL head, uh, arrested for beating up Muslims, and then suddenly he joins, and he's the guy fighting Al-Qaeda.
00:05:40.000Elaborate on that, because I see them rolling that out now.
00:05:45.000Well, the Ku Klux Klan, just to focus on them, the Ku Klux Klan is, as far as I can see, a wholly owned subsidiary of the FBI and nothing but.
00:05:56.000So this is an apparatus of domestic provocateurs, and you're very right to say now the way that the ideological conflict is going, right, the ideological fronts are turning once again.
00:06:09.000And there obviously is a temptation to begin this demonization.
00:06:12.000And when you see that Southern Poverty Law Center getting into the act, that is a group of shills, basically.
00:06:21.000They are there to provide some kind of a halfway plausible academic sounding explanation for whatever the Counterinsurgency line inside the United States may happen to be.
00:06:35.000So the fact that they point to this, we also have the Secretary of Homeland Security, Napolitano, otherwise known as Totalitariano, and her idea that, right, the veterans and the right-wingers and all this.
00:06:48.000So that's the atmospheric, and then you get a certain number of patsies, right?
00:06:52.000Look out for patsies, because that's always how it's done.
00:06:56.000And, you know, the attempt to try to mesh, you know, Al-Qaeda shows up somewhere in North Carolina or whatever this is, right?
00:07:11.000But the more you talk about it, the better it is, right?
00:07:13.000The more this is ventilated and aired and people are inoculated.
00:07:18.000Tell people that if this happens, this is 99.99% guaranteed to be a top-down false flag operation using patsies, using moles inside the government, and then using those technicians, right?
00:07:31.000If any big heavy operations have to be done, they're going to have to use government resources, so that will require the presence of technicians and moles.
00:08:24.000That was even Orwell's job as a member of the Imperial Police, as you know, when he grew up in India, before he had his first awakening to one level of the control paradigm.
00:08:37.000It was the British, now declassified and admitted, as you know but the listeners may not, that staged over 90% of the terror attacks in Northern Ireland and in England.
00:08:48.000And it turned out that you would have the top three guys in the military IRA were all British intel.
00:08:53.000And they were actually killing lower members of IRA if they wouldn't go out and kill British policemen as a pretext to stay in Northern Ireland.
00:09:00.000So it's very, very elementary to keep occupation imperial forces in the country, to occupy the United States with federal troops.
00:09:08.000They're going to need to stage terror to have the pretext that there's some type of hidden phantom menace that they're fighting.
00:09:28.000Well, in my book, again, 9-11 Synthetic Terror, I tell the story of Agent Steakknife.
00:09:34.000He was codenamed Steakknife, and this was somebody that the MI5, MI6 had put into the top levels of the IRA, and his job was to kill people, and they also had agents in this other side, right?
00:09:50.000The Protestant counter-gang to the IRA counter-gang.
00:09:54.000Well, the Orange, in this case, it's the Protestant extremist group.
00:09:59.000So they were orchestrating a series of homicides, and this went right up to Thatcher.
00:10:05.000Thatcher was absolutely informed of everything.
00:10:08.000Wonderful Maggie Thatcher, the goddess of the neocons and so many others, and the goddess of the free marketeers, too, because they think she was the embodiment of their policies.
00:10:19.000She was actively running these kinds of operations.
00:10:25.000I just wanted to point out to listeners this is a fact that governments do this and it's a historical fact so we need people to realize this is an official army field manuals that we showed people last week we're just talking about Something as a matter of fact as hammers and saws and lawnmowers being available at Home Depot.
00:10:47.000We're stating that ducks swim around in ponds or that fish swim around in lakes.
00:10:53.000I hope listeners understand what you're stating is a historical fact, Webster.
00:10:58.000Yeah, this is probably the most documented historical fact that we can bring to bear.
00:11:04.000I mean, it's been confirmed, you know.
00:11:06.000Hundreds of times, maybe thousands of times.
00:11:08.000Like going back, my God, to the ancient world.
00:11:11.000So, uh, I don't think there's any doubt about it.
00:11:14.000And the implication of Thatcher in this stuff, and you know, we can go back to the cases now in the United States, right?
00:11:22.000The various stunts that have been done.
00:11:24.000And as time goes on, you get more and more background.
00:11:27.000So, certainly, if there's terrorism, look to the intelligence agencies, because that's the matrix.
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00:17:16.000Yeah, because, I mean, I talked to you during a one-minute part of a break when you were on with Burma, so I just heard you saying, get Sheehan, support her, get her to go to wherever Obama's vacationing, and I was like, okay, so, but, pointless to argue about that.
00:17:31.000The point is, she's coming on in ten minutes for five minutes with you, Webster.
00:17:35.000The issue is, she's listening right now.
00:17:38.000Wonderful, and again, let me say this, the credit all goes to her, nothing to do with me.
00:17:43.000Okay, well nobody cares Webster, that's fine, Webster.
00:17:45.000Although I welcome it, I think everybody, let me call now, everybody should support this, everybody should go, supporter.
00:17:51.000This is a wonderful thing, and this is now the, if you want to somehow break into this right-wing polarization that you're talking about in the earlier part, right, the idea of using The demonization of conservatives or whoever they are, right, people that are considered right-wingers, then the obvious way to do that is the rebirth of the peace movement and people that would generally be considered leftist, because this is harder to demonize.
00:18:19.000And that's what I've always said, is that attacks against Obama coming from his left are much more effective than the kind of stuff you've seen.
00:18:27.000Well, that's why the Obama deception, that's why the Obama deception, Webster, is so important, is because it doesn't attack from the left or right.
00:18:34.000It attacks from common sense, populist, constitutionalist, and shows how both parties are controlled by these corrupt banks.
00:18:41.000And then the partisanship all ends, and people instantly break their conditioning.
00:18:46.000But look, she's coming up next segment in about 15 minutes, so I want to get into the second front opening up against Hare Obama then.
00:18:55.000Right now, we were talking about false flag.
00:18:57.000The ace in the hole that the establishment has to play on us.
00:19:01.000You were talking about outside the country.
00:19:06.000Are we looking at Central Asia, Middle East, Europe?
00:19:10.000Where will the establishment stage terror next?
00:19:13.000Well, that's obviously anybody's guess, but if we look at Afghanistan, the big operation by Obama right now is the massive escalation of the war in Afghanistan.
00:19:24.000He's put a guy in there, General McChrystal, who is someone who is certified to have created a network of torture chambers across Iraq.
00:19:34.000When you think of Obama's rhetoric in running for president, it makes this whole thing extremely laughable.
00:19:43.000So, Obama's hand-picked commander to go into Afghanistan, replacing the previous general, Who was simply, uh, McKiernan, who was simply thrown out, right, very brusquely, and, uh, a lot of people in the Pentagon very angry about that, the way it was done.
00:19:58.000This guy's a special forces utopian, so that means that he's into doing things like working with the Taliban, working with Al-Qaeda, working with various warlords and so forth.
00:20:09.000Uh, the danger there, of course, is that, uh, with the ten-year war perspective and, uh, and the losses that are now escalating, Some countries may want to drop out.
00:20:18.000How could you stop them from dropping out?
00:20:19.000Well, you could, for example, if the British are about to drop out, then maybe some staged event regarding Britain could... A replay of 7-7.
00:20:30.000The British are about to pull out of the Glen Eagles.
00:20:37.000The other thing would be if the breakup of Pakistan is taking too long, Then, something involving a group that advertises itself as coming from inside Pakistan.
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00:25:49.000Before we go back to Webster Griffin Tarpley, I've never had a t-shirt this popular.
00:25:56.000The Obama Socialist, Obama Fascist, ObamaInfoWars.com, Obama New World Order.
00:26:02.000We have four different variants on the front, four different messages on the back, like, end the Fed, stop the criminal, wake up before it's too late, with Infowars.com under it on the back, with Obama on the front.
00:26:48.000They were just wild and it's still going on.
00:26:52.000They have the State Attorney General in Florida investigating and calling it a hate crime and all this unbelievable bull.
00:27:00.000But you read the articles The comments in the articles in the newspapers that with a straight face talk about the scared community, the victims of seeing the Obama poster on street corners.
00:27:12.000But the public's finding all the statements of Obama thanking his supporters for putting up his picture on stop signs, which is illegal.
00:27:50.000We'll announce the winner and show you the videos Friday.
00:27:54.000Videos are still pouring in, hundreds and hundreds of videos.
00:27:59.000It's unbelievable, the people putting the posters up.
00:28:01.000Webster, before we get into the second front opening up against the Obamanoids and the globalist establishment, is it important to pull down his image and to defile him as the image of our Lord and Savior, so that he can't be this tool to carry out this agenda?
00:28:19.000Is it American to put up posters of him in a bad light, or should we be arrested for that?
00:28:26.000I think it's a tremendous tradition of democratic expression to engage in political caricature, and that can become quite vigorous and quite robust.
00:28:38.000And again, I would vote for the fascist one, because I think that is the one that is technically accurate.
00:28:47.000And the most damaging, because remember, Obama lives on left cover.
00:28:53.000He's got to be seen as a progressive, a leftist, he's got to be seen as a friend of the masses, somebody who cares about the poor, who cares about the people who don't have health insurance, who cares about people who are denied medical care.
00:29:09.000And I've talked to leftists and they say, we have to be nice to Obama because we're going to court him and curry favor with him and we're going to get our little cause advanced, whatever it is that they're interested in.
00:29:21.000And I always say, this is exactly wrong.
00:29:23.000The way you deal with Obama, from the left in particular, is you criticize him mercilessly.
00:29:48.000The lesbian, gay, transgender people, when they were boycotting a fundraiser that Obama had set up so they would come and give him money, they found that they were able to get concessions from Obama immediately.
00:30:01.000He gave them same-sex marriage partner rights for certain federal employees.
00:30:07.000In a limited way, but certainly it was a step forward for them.
00:30:12.000If you're the peace movement and you want to do something about these war policies, the only thing to do is get into the field and begin to criticize Obama, attack him, right?
00:30:24.000From the point of view of the media, vilify him, certainly.
00:31:15.000And then it turned out, White House memos came out that they love making it about Limbaugh as they run against him, discredited with the Viagra and the Hillbilly heroin, the Oxycontin, all the weirdness.
00:31:30.000and and all the craziness in him drug out of his mind at cpac and any day you were right about that and so you're absolutely right they need to not just have left cover they want to run him against the more buffoonish type republicans certainly people people like limbo and had to be argued as ogres by probably two-thirds maybe somewhat less than two-thirds now I I think you know that there's been up I
00:31:57.000I disagree with them totally, especially on economics, but that's another story.
00:32:02.000If you can play yourself, if it's a choice between Obama and Limbaugh, then Obama's going to win by 70-30 or 80-20 or whatever it is.
00:32:11.000It's going to be a small and vocal minority that will go with Limbaugh.
00:32:14.000So as long as you can define that as the universe of discourse, then Obama wins.
00:32:19.000Now the critical thing about the second front, Obama is in Phoenix, Arizona today, I believe.
00:32:24.000This is the Veterans of Foreign Wars Convention.
00:32:27.000There is an anti-war protest contingent there.
00:33:50.000Or, I mean, they've got to know it's a war they're not going to win.
00:33:55.000No, it's not a war to win, it's a war to create chaos.
00:33:58.000And remember, the escalation of Afghanistan is a function of the plan to destroy Pakistan, to break it up into mini-states and micro-states, right?
00:34:08.000The five components, Sindh, Punjab, Balochistan, Pashtunistan, Waziristan, or tribal areas, whatever you want to call that.
00:34:15.000And the goal there is that this is a Chinese ally.
00:34:18.000Remember, the battlefield is now the Indian Ocean, from Africa to Bangladesh to Pakistan, over to Thailand, right?
00:34:25.000We got Tsu Chi in Burma, and an anti-Chinese function.
00:34:28.000So the idea is anybody who is friendly with China is now a target.
00:34:33.000Anybody who wants normal commercial relations, wants to sell oil, sell minerals, sell strategic raw materials, Do deals with the Chinese, you become an enemy of civilization.
00:34:43.000You become an effective terrorist, except now you're going to be more than a terrorist.
00:34:47.000You're going to be a human rights abuser.
00:34:48.000You're going to be a nuclear proliferator.
00:34:51.000You're going to be a humanitarian disaster.
00:34:56.000We're going to get back into what's happening geopolitically in about five minutes, but I wanted, since you brought up the fact of, it's great that she was considering, you'd heard, going out and speaking out, because now that archetypal image of Cindy Sheehan to expose the foundation, big money run, fake war movement, and to expose Obama for what he is, she's put out a press release Cindy Sheehan to lead protests against wars near Obama's vacation spot on Martha's Vineyard.
00:35:25.000Let's get this up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
00:35:28.000Guys, please have Rob Dew tell the webmasters to post this.
00:35:31.000And everybody, go there and expose him as a warmonger.
00:35:37.000Cindy Sheehan, great to have you pop in with us today.
00:35:40.000Hey Alex, always nice to be on with you.
00:35:44.000Okay, in a nutshell, tell us where you're going and what you're doing.
00:35:48.000I heard back in June that Obama would be vacationing on Martha's Vineyard in August, so we've been trying to put together a protest against him, and finally everything came together this weekend where it looks like we'll be able to go out there.
00:36:05.000Part of the problem, and I heard you guys talking about it a little bit, is that the so-called anti-war movement doesn't want to have anything focused On Obama against the occupations and the wars of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq.
00:36:23.000And so, anyway, we've been, we've come up against some considerable resistance from the left.
00:36:30.000But then, over this past week, when it looks like, oh, you know, this big debate about healthcare and, you know, all these Um, you know, the right playing into the hands of the Democratic Party that doesn't want to give a public option for health care.
00:36:45.000And so it looks like the White House is caving into that.
00:36:48.000And I'm like, well, why don't we on the left, the anti-war left, go out and exert pressure on him to start bringing the troops on from the Middle East and actually to, you know, enforce some kind of same foreign policy instead of I think that of course the wars are for chaos, but the wars are also for profit.
00:37:09.000So we have to exert the same kind of pressure, because if Obama can fold to the right, why can't he also fold to the left?
00:37:16.000Well, Cindy Sheehan, of course, lost her son over in Iraq, and is one of the big iconic images the last six, seven years, exposing these fraudulent wars of hegemon.
00:37:32.000How do we expose the fact that the anti-war movement is foundation funded and demand that they stand up to Obama?
00:37:40.000I mean, I guess we do what you're doing.
00:37:43.000Go out and expose that fraud or any other ideas of how we can get that done?
00:37:50.000Well, I certainly think that we have to remain consistent and pure.
00:37:56.000and try not to be co-opted by the same forces that co-opted many large anti-war groups in this country.
00:38:02.000And so we need to just, you know, stay pure and stay focused.
00:38:07.000And this isn't getting quite the attention that going out to the Bush ramps got.
00:38:12.000So, you know, there's a lot of false debates going on, so we need to redirect it where the debate needs to be, And that's ending this empire, this military-industrial empire.
00:38:27.000And, um, we can't get anything else done in this country until that happens.
00:38:33.000And so hopefully when I go out to Martha's Vineyard, like when I went to Crawford, Texas, the press will be there, people will start being able to hear that message.
00:38:42.000There's many people on the so-called left I still think Obama is some kind of a peace person.
00:38:48.000So we really, that really needs to be exposed, and that myth... Well, that's because his election, obviously, has been used to totally get all these issues off the table.
00:39:00.000The establishment craftily did that, making the war like it was just Bush's and not the establishment that controls both these presidents.
00:39:08.000But Cindy, overall, and I want to get Webster's comment on this, the incredible drop of Obama.
00:39:14.000His polls have gone from the 80s to the mid-40s now.
00:39:18.000He lost three points last week, lowest approval rating of any president eight months into their administration.
00:39:24.000Are you worried about him staging any type of crises or terror attack, like we saw from Bush, as a pretext to try to continue this agenda?
00:39:34.000Well, you know, that's a concern that we always have to worry about, but that doesn't mean that we, you know, quit our activism or quit speaking the truth to the power, that we have to go forward.
00:39:50.000And we have to, first of all, you know, I support 100% the 9-11 truth movement, and I support the ballot initiative in New York City to get a new investigation going.
00:40:05.000But that's one thing that needs to be exposed over and over and over again, It's how our governments do have these, you know, and I'm not...
00:41:43.000And if you do use PayPal, my account is Cindy at CindyCNSoapbox.com.
00:41:53.000And we just have to use all the tools that we have to expose the, you know, the robber class that I call them.
00:42:01.000It's all about the robber class, and it's all about this divide, and Bush and Obama are both members of it, and it's not about the person Exactly.
00:42:14.000The President, the personality becomes the distraction, the diversion from the real debate and the real issues.
00:42:21.000Well, hopefully we can get you to pop in then when you're out there demonstrating from Martha's Vineyard.
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00:46:09.000We took a little bacon and we took a little beans and we caught the bloody British in a town in New Orleans.
00:46:14.000We fired our guns and the British kept a-comin'.
00:46:17.000There wasn't... Again, I do hope everybody visits InfoWars.com to get their Obama Joker posters.
00:46:23.000We also have one as Bush as the Joker.
00:46:26.000I haven't gone this far yet, but I would guess that Tarpley does agree that Obama as Hitler might be a fair comparison, or maybe Obama as Mussolini.
00:46:42.000Yeah, we'll have you back up next week to really get into solutions, I promise.
00:46:46.000If you can do it, we'll set the tone up right.
00:46:48.000But let me just stress, if I could, that Cindy Sheehan is a great voice and a great cause, and now Any peace activist in New England, if you're in Boston, if you're in New York City, you know what to do.
00:47:01.000It's time to make tracks towards Martha's Vineyard and exercise your First Amendment rights.
00:47:14.000And the way to do this is not to be exaggeratedly deferential.
00:47:20.000You know, please, dear Mr. President, we know you're a peace angel, but you haven't had time to listen to our pathetic little bleeding cries.
00:47:29.000Which is what the AWOL peace people have done, right?
00:47:34.000Now we've got the genuine leader of this movement coming forward, I think, quite effectively, saying that this has gone far enough and it's time to take a stand.
00:48:12.000media may ignore her up to a point, but remember, the world media will be there.
00:48:18.000The Russians, the Chinese, Al Jazeera, they're going to be highly interested.
00:48:23.000So this is going to have a worldwide effect, and I think that then kicks over back into the U.S., because when it becomes a story around the world, they can't ignore it here.
00:48:32.000Yeah, that's what I was trying to say there.
00:48:35.000We also, though, have to, as activists getting past these political labels, say no and be involved here as well.
00:48:43.000Webster, I carry all four of your books for listeners, and we have the book on the economic cataclysm, we have the two books on Obama, and the book Synthetic Terror, all available at InfoWars.com or by calling toll-free 888-253-3139.
00:48:59.000Webster, as always, thank you so much.
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00:50:44.000this is alex jones with some important questions If you're going into a battle and they give you a rifle and a sidearm, how much ammunition do you want?
00:53:09.000Well, I wasn't given the challenge or really the opportunity of a formalized utterance on I'm joining Neil on the surface of the moon.
00:53:22.000There was a little bit of conversation that included the word magnificent and then beautiful and so the two words just came together as a comparison of opposites and so I said magnificent desolation.
00:53:46.000And the magnificence really was referring to the progress of the human species from coming down from the trees to automobiles, airplanes, rockets, spaceships, and then journeying and two people from the planet Earth walking around on that object that humans had gazed up and looked at for
00:55:37.000I mean, obviously you had fear, concern on this mission, but what was it like to actually be there and actually carry out this dangerous mission?
00:55:46.000I mean, it's one thing to psychologically get ready for it, but another thing to actually be there.
00:55:53.000Well, it was for several years, five, six years, the culmination of everything we had been working for
00:56:06.000NASA since 1961 when the president said that we should go to the moon and my Air Force career piloting and studying my doctorate at MIT and manned orbital rendezvous was just all pointing toward some humans being able to get to the moon and there I was about to be one of them.
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00:58:55.000Hello, this is Alex Jones with some important questions.
00:58:58.000If you're going into a battle and they give you a rifle and a sidearm, how much ammunition do you want?
01:00:32.000Your book gets into your idea of a unified space mission or direction.
01:00:39.000I notice we haven't gone back to the moon except with probes since the early seventies, and you talk about that in the book as well.
01:00:46.000So tell us about your idea, you know, with a doctorate and all of this, and as one of the most famous astronauts, your vision of what you think we should do.
01:00:59.000It's as you just said, unified space vision.
01:01:04.000Not mission, it's many, many missions over a long period of time.
01:01:08.000And we came to a real tipping point with the accident of the Columbia on February 1st of 03.
01:01:19.000That left us with only three orbiters and we had to solve the problem of the safety of continuing to fly the space shuttle and the unfinished space station.
01:01:37.000Before that accident, NASA was considering flying the shuttle until 2020, another 10 years from now, and maybe even 2025.
01:01:49.000And now it looked as though that was just not a good thing to do.
01:01:56.000My engineers were trying to work the problem and coming up with a modified shuttle launch system that could take up a replacement of the shuttle orbiter to take people up, but not large amounts of cargo, at least in the same spacecraft.
01:02:17.000And we were looking, my group of engineers were also looking for what kind of a space vision should we have in the future.
01:02:31.000But the accident and NASA's studies during the summer, combined with the accident board, came up with a recommendation that the cargo and crew be separated But not just in the spacecraft, but on the launch vehicle.
01:02:51.000And I was concerned that that opened the door to have NASA develop two different rockets, one of them just for the crew and one of them just for the lander and the cargo, and I felt that was wrong.
01:03:08.000But NASA was pursuing, sort of behind closed doors, what they thought they should do for the future.
01:03:19.000When they did come out with their vision for space exploration in January of 04, it involved terminating the shuttle in 2010, finishing the space station, building spacecraft and rockets somehow to go back to the moon by 2020.
01:03:48.000But then as the progress in the launch vehicles that I disagreed with began to bog us down, I felt we need to look really closely, examine why do we want to go back to the moon with humans when by the time we get there, it'll be 50 years from when we did it in 1969 and beyond.
01:04:12.000And shouldn't we be following the shuttle with something that has six to eight people in it but no cargo and lands on a runway?
01:04:24.000And shouldn't we be doing other things for a long duration spaceflight in the direction of Mars?
01:04:31.000Isn't that where we should try and go with our major resources?
01:04:38.000Well, Dr. Aldrin, Buzz Aldrin, didn't Wernher von Braun draw up the space shuttle back in like the mid-30s, the idea for it?
01:04:45.000Isn't it ancient, comparatively, in the space age?
01:04:52.000What he felt we needed, correctly, was a laboratory in space and a reusable way to have rockets and spacecraft Take people and cargo up to the moon.
01:05:09.000But that's two things, and we couldn't build the laboratory until we had the shuttle.
01:05:16.000And the shuttle was not well designed in the first place by trying to put a crew in the reusable booster.
01:05:25.000So it had to be redesigned with solid rockets, and I didn't agree with that.
01:05:33.000And it ended up being quite a large vehicle to satisfy the Air Force needs for a big reconnaissance satellite and a one-orbit mission returning to the same place that, because of rotation, moved 1,500 miles to the east.
01:05:58.000You cover a lot of this in Magnificent Desolation, which is a magnificent book.
01:06:02.000But something I saw you get really excited about was on C-SPAN, you talked about this monolith on the tiny potato-shaped moon of Mars.
01:06:12.000And I knew about its moon, I didn't know about this monolith.
01:06:16.000And you got really sparkly-eyed and animated about this.
01:06:22.000Tell us about this monolith and why you want to land on that moon first.
01:06:28.000Well, I want to land on the moon first, whether it has a monolith or not, because it orbits around Mars in seven hours and is quite close, much, much closer than our moon is to the Earth.
01:06:42.000And from that moon, people can control robots, rovers, all sorts of assembly processes.
01:06:52.000Chemical processes, fuel processes, and other things on the surface without endangering the crew.
01:06:58.000And it's much easier to take people there, actually, than it is to take people to and from our moon.
01:07:07.000Because of the smallness of it, it takes longer to get there.
01:07:11.000And when you get there, you have to stay longer.
01:07:13.000So it's a significant challenge, but it is a major safe stepping stone before going to the surface of Mars and can be approached in inspiring logical steps from low Earth orbit doing things that increase our capability, some in the direction of our moon but not landing on our moon.
01:07:42.000Instead, we have the experience to be the leaders of international nations, other nations, sending their astronauts or tackinots to land on the moon.
01:07:56.000So are you saying, Mr. Aldrin, that this should be an international mission?
01:08:20.000Yeah, now the Monolith just happens to be a location of a Mars-ology, not geology, feature that is a physical structure, but it is very, very curious.
01:08:37.000And it's quite close to where we would like to land.
01:08:41.000And Canadian studies extensively of going to Phobos for science, the science team has said, go for the monolith.
01:08:52.000So they think that is sufficiently scientifically attractive, and it's close to where you want to be to observe from there.
01:09:07.000commander aldrin i isn't this interesting we have two thousand one uh... space odyssey we have this what looks like almost a perfect monolith on this moon and then here you are one of the first moonwalkers uh... when the eagle lands you're wanting to be uh...
01:09:23.000you're on television saying we need to go there to see this monolith You're saying it's very curious.
01:09:28.000And again, I saw your eyes light up on television.
01:10:18.000I can say it looks like maybe a crude construction device by some creatures who practiced on Phobos and then landed in Egypt and built the pyramids.
01:10:35.000I don't really believe that, but some people are liable to think that.
01:11:19.000Well, I think sooner or later the Earth is just liable to be impacted by something that we, as humans with all our technology, could not prevent.
01:11:33.000And it would be a good idea, thousands of years maybe in the future, or two weeks in the future, to have a survivable off-planet species To keep things going.
01:11:53.000Not just for the benefit of unborn people, but think of the lives, the history that the human species has had here on Earth, and to have that wiped out.
01:12:07.000It's not just the lives of the future.
01:12:10.000Well, Dr. Aldrin, was it Saturn that got hit by Shoemaker-Levy, the big comet that broke up?
01:12:16.000I mean, they said if that hit the Earth, that would have basically killed all life on the planet, or at least knocked out our civilization.
01:14:49.000In our solar system, other than that which we can observe here on Earth, and I think the distances involved to even the closest star, having written a detailed science fiction story about another civilization from Alpha Centauri that had compelling reasons to advance their technology and to visit the Earth,
01:15:18.000Uh, they failed in their efforts to do that, uh, for logical reasons.
01:15:26.000Uh, but I don't believe they exist there on Alpha Centauri, nor do I believe they exist on other planets.
01:15:33.000I've always wanted... A good story, but I believe the distances involved make it extremely improbable for any advanced life forms to be very close And within reach for star travelers from Earth for thousands and thousands of years.
01:15:57.000What about the... However, millions of years, I believe, that certainly creatures from Earth could have the technology to visit the closest star, Alpha Centauri, and other stars If we have a good reason to do that.
01:16:18.000And the demise, the extinction of life on Earth probably is a good reason to want to invest the resources to re-establish civilization on some other star system.
01:16:41.000Do any of your colleagues Do you have suspicions about the monolith?
01:16:48.000Well, I've asked them to try and be interested and support the things that I've been doing, and there's very little response.
01:17:02.000There's one that didn't fly to the moon, and some others who are shuttle people who are certainly interested in helping me advance Progress of human space flight.
01:17:16.000Mr. Aldrin, I always wanted to ask you this.
01:17:18.000We saw the photos of the little Masonic flag to the moon and some of the names of the missions and the numerology.
01:17:40.000There were some Masonic brothers of mine in Texas that wanted me to take some kind of a Masonic emblem to the moon in some gesture of... I don't know what it would be a gesture of, but I told them that it was not within my authority to do such a thing.
01:18:10.000One of the astronauts left a photo of his family though there.
01:18:13.000Oh yeah, I think that's perfectly legitimate.
01:18:18.000I left several things, coins from Soviet cosmonauts killed, a patch from the Apollo 1, messages from 72 leaders of the world, and an olive branch gold pin that was my contribution.
01:18:45.000This has gotten a lot of attention lately.
01:18:48.000What do you think of the people that mistrust the government and the system so much that they say you guys couldn't have gone to the Van Allen Radiation Belt and that it was all a Stanley Kubrick film production?
01:18:59.000Well, I think they are self-serving individuals looking for attention, preying on gullible people
01:19:14.000And they wouldn't exist if it were not for the gullible people who also like to encourage thinking about unrealistic, unsubstantiated things and titillate the public.
01:19:30.000And that includes all sorts of people.
01:19:32.000I hate to say it, but it includes yourself.
01:19:55.000I tend in the other direction, because I know people that worked actually, you know, on the mission with the RCA cameras and things, and they say they believe it was real.
01:20:02.000My issue is, I know it goes in the other direction.
01:20:05.000I've talked to people, former head of Star Wars and others, they say there's so much classified stuff, space planes, that the real space program is robotic.
01:20:21.000Well, a robotic space program is much, much cheaper than a human one.
01:20:26.000And if I were financing the military, I would be pretty skeptical about Sending military astronauts up there with all the expense if I could get the job done with robots.
01:20:38.000So yeah, but I think there certainly are limits to what can be done with robots and still keep that somewhat cloaked from the general public.
01:20:55.000The people that accuse the government of Improperly cordoning off areas like Area 51 from public trespassing.
01:21:10.000Do you think we want to open up every avenue of classified defense of our country?
01:21:18.000No, but I was just asking you, with your knowledge, Mr. Aldrin, about secret government programs, because that is obviously very, very interesting.
01:21:26.000The book is Magnificent Desolation, Buzz Aldrin with Ken Abraham, and it's an amazing book.
01:21:33.000You're an amazing person, and we really enjoy you being on.
01:21:36.000I'd like to say bye to you as we go to break here in five seconds before we let you go, Mr. Aldrin.
01:21:41.000But again, we really want to thank you for coming on with Magnificent Desolation.
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01:24:52.000Okay, we're going to do five more minutes with Commander, Colonel, Captain, Buzz Aldrin, Doctor. - The book is Buzz Aldrin, Magnificent Desolation, and he's going to come back for five minutes and break down, answer the people that say we didn't go to the moon or it was a hoax.
01:25:17.000So, Buzz Aldrin, you've got the floor, sir.
01:25:26.000Their laser radar reflectors that are on the moon that we show pictures of that we brought back and anybody who has a laser beam can send it to the moon and it'll bounce back to you and you can measure the frequency change and that's why it's there to measure how Africa drifts away from South America and other
01:25:56.000Geological and scientific measurements like that.
01:26:02.000I think most important is the fact that we were clearly in a race with another highly technical, capable country, the Soviet Union, that claimed they never went to the moon, but they were preparing to, and they had landers and they had people picked out, and of course after
01:26:25.000We were on the moon, they had rovers up there, so they fully had the ability to know whether we landed there or not.
01:26:35.000And they never joined the conspiracy that said that America never went to the moon.
01:26:42.000So I think that's the strongest argument.
01:26:46.000But whatever it is, it's supported by gullible people that want to believe the bizarre, the unusual, the fantasy.
01:26:55.000And that's okay, because that's human nature, to be curious about things.
01:26:59.000Well, I read a book by a prominent person who says we didn't go to the moon, and he says there's plants on the moon, and it has an atmosphere, and that it rotates, but everybody can look at the moon and tell it doesn't rotate, or at least... I mean, that's crazy.
01:27:13.000Well, it rotates once a revolution around the Earth.
01:27:18.000That's the way it keeps the same side face, because that's the minimum tidal effect That the Earth and the Sun have on the surface of the Moon.
01:27:31.000And things tend to have friction dissipate energy to a point where there is no friction anymore.
01:27:43.000And if you want to carry that to an extreme, if the Earth and the Moon were around long enough, the Moon would move further and further and further away until there was no tidal effect of the Moon on the Earth, and the same side of the Earth faced the Moon and vice versa.
01:28:02.000Yeah, what do you, when you bring up the Russian issue of them tracking the mission and they would have blown the whistle on us, I guess people then say that that was a conspiracy too?
01:28:15.000What about the Van Allen radiation belt, though, with the film?
01:28:20.000Because I did talk to one of the guys on the RCA cameras, and he said, yeah, there was some film problem, but I guess sometimes the film would be okay, sometimes it wouldn't be, because I guess the belts are different strengths?
01:28:30.000Well, you're passing through them in pretty much of a hurry.
01:28:37.000We have a concern about what we call the South Atlantic Anomaly, which is where some of the radiation dips down to lower altitudes, around maybe 400 miles above the surface of the Earth.
01:28:52.000So, we don't want to send a spacecraft into that South Atlantic Anomaly for long periods of time, or many, many, many orbits.
01:29:03.000Um, but, but certainly, uh, radiation detectors that went through the Van Allen Belt, as scientific probes do all the time, that are leaving, uh, leaving the, uh, Earth and heading for geosynchronous where we have our, uh, uh, communication satellites.
01:29:25.000Uh, those are, uh, uh, above the Van Allen Belt.
01:29:30.000The communication satellites are essentially three diameters above the surface of the Earth, and the moon is ten times that distance away.
01:29:42.000The moon focus is about one diameter of Mars away from the surface of Mars, and it goes around in seven hours.
01:30:00.000Maybe I can have you up sometime for a 30-minute interview just about your vision of going to Mars.
01:30:06.000I know humanity is reaching out to the stars, and I know we have incredible potential thanks to people like you and the courage that you and other astronauts Let me just say one more thing.
01:30:16.000And I really do appreciate the time that you've graciously spent with us.
01:30:19.000And I hope that before I become an old man, or even sooner, before you leave this planet many years from now, that we get to find out what that monolithic obelisk is on the moon of Mars.
01:31:47.000Uh, then of course on Mars, and I think better than humans on the moon.
01:31:53.000But that's what I was going to say, is it's good to send humans, isn't it, because it keeps us in the game.
01:31:58.000If we start getting to where we only have robots, we might turn into, you know, over eons, into creatures that don't even have arms and legs and just sit there as blobs, like something out of WALL-E.
01:32:07.000Have you seen that movie WALL-E, where there are all these blobs that... Yeah, but more important than that, other nations will go Where we choose not to go.
01:32:20.000Yeah, since you brought that up, let me just ask this final question and we'll let you go.
01:32:23.000Again, Buzz Aldrin, second-to-walk-on-the-moon, a famous astronaut here, one of the most famous, if not the most famous, next to Neil Armstrong.
01:32:30.000There's been a call for globalism, global government, in saying, then man can go to the stars, but having a big global bureaucracy, I think, would actually stamp out a lot of innovation of the different nation-states.
01:32:43.000What's your view on people that call for a new world order?
01:32:49.000Well, they're seeking power where it perhaps is not deserved.
01:32:54.000Space-faring nations, those with the capability of sending objects for themselves or for others Our spacefaring nations, and they're the ones, and only the ones, that should have a say.
01:33:10.000Otherwise, it's going to be, I want what some favored other nation has.
01:33:18.000So we do need international involvement, but we need strong, strong leadership, and I think that's where the United States has the opportunity to be that leader.
01:33:33.000But are you overall then, you don't like the globalism or world government then?
01:33:41.000No, I like spacefaring nations determine what goes up above a hundred kilometers and what comes down and what protects the assets there.
01:33:58.000I mean, below 100 kilometers, you can throw rocks, you can fire mortars, rocket grenades, you can do whatever you want, and we'll deal with those terrestrial problems of human rights, of piracy, of stealing, and all those other things.
01:34:18.000But let's have a separation for the benefit of what goes on because things can collide with each other and eventually irresponsible actions, accidentally or on purpose, can prohibit What do you think of the weaponization of space?
01:34:39.000because there's too much up there and it and it'll run into anything that you want to put up there for useful purposes it'll knock out your direct TV it'll knock out your weather what do you think of the weaponization of space I mean you think that's a good thing or a bad thing I don't call that weaponization I I call that prudent behavior.
01:35:07.000If you have assets in space and some rogue nation can threaten you, you should have the ability to defend yourself against those hostile acts.
01:35:22.000But the country that gets a dominance in space could then set up an off-world system, and really almost split into two species, have the dominant empire that's space-based, and then kind of the suboid minions back on Earth.
01:35:36.000I guess those are debates we should be having, though.
01:35:40.000Well, I think that we all like the pleasures down here, and those are subject to conflict.
01:35:52.000I think we need to be judicious, and I think you're projecting way far ahead to have a space species only that's in conflict with a terrestrial species only.
01:36:06.000No, I know, but you know a couple hundred years is the blink of an eye in the way technology is advancing and developing.
01:36:12.000read some of the white papers put out by governments about what they believe is going to happen even here on the earth with genetic engineering the rest of it again buzz aldrin we've been so honored to have all this time with you feel free to anything else you'd like to add or if you need to go will say a farewell a boy by asteria I gotta go when you gotta go you gotta go buzz aldrin you're really nice fella and have a lot of courage and we really appreciate you coming on with us All righty, thank you.
01:37:25.000Look, ladies and gentlemen, I've had Schmidt on, Dr. Schmidt, and I've had Dr. Aldrin on.
01:37:30.000We're going to get all these astronauts on.
01:37:31.000And we're going to get some of them on that are talking about the advanced technologies and hidden agendas.
01:37:38.000But I dare somebody to get Buzz Aldrin up and then start being mean to him and tell him we didn't go to the moon.
01:37:44.000I have a lot of friends that think it's all a hoax and a fraud.
01:37:47.000And I have my questions, but analyzing it, I think it's clear they've got a lot of more advanced technology they don't want the public knowing about, and a lot of what we're shown is kind of the 1930s tinker toys.
01:37:59.000You heard when I brought up Wernher von Braun on the space shuttle, 1934, 1935, you know, that was accurate with Dr. Aldrin.
01:38:06.000They tell us the SR-71 Blackbird In service in the mid-1950s is the fastest plane we have.
01:38:13.000Now if you believe that 50 plus years later, I don't know, what's 55 to 2009?
01:38:22.000If you believe that a 54-year-old, 55, will develop in 1950, it's really 59 years old, but in service in 55.
01:38:30.000If you believe a 59-year-old aircraft is the fastest aircraft we've got, you are insane.
01:38:36.000And we've already had a split off with the more advanced technologies in the military and corporate reservations.
01:38:43.000We need to have a larger debate about this, and so I brought Buzz Aldrin on about that.
01:38:48.000I just know this, there's a lot of credible criticism of moon landing being a hoax.
01:38:52.000But there's also a lot of it, like you take Behold a Pale Horse, people kept telling me, read it, read it, read it.
01:39:00.000I finally got it a few months ago and read the whole thing.
01:39:02.000I'd read about a third of it back in the late 90s.
01:39:04.000And there's plants on the moon, it rotates every day, you don't need a space suit on the moon, Jesus is killed by aliens with holograms, And it's in there.
01:39:19.000People then email me when I talk about that and say I'm a liar.
01:40:46.000And I know I've talked to people with national security letters and people who are high-level retired engineers and people that ran the cameras and all the rest of it.
01:40:55.000And they say the word is there was a whole nother space program even more advanced going on and that what we were seeing was tinker toys.
01:41:05.000And so it was theater, but only theater.
01:41:09.000Did you hear Aldrin hinting at aliens and hinting at Egypt and hinting at monoliths and obelisks and then putting it out and then pulling back and how excited he got on TV?
01:41:19.000I've talked to other astronauts off record, I've talked to other people that know astronauts, and they say it's just, you wouldn't imagine what's really going on.
01:41:28.000And I know that gets into coast-to-coast territory, but this is the, you know, something's going on.
01:42:20.000But, uh, about this whole picture of the vaccines and how they're killing people and how the flu shot in the trials is killing a bunch of people.
01:42:36.000Every major guest I have on is aware of world government and eugenics and against it.
01:42:40.000Buzz Aldrin was just against the new world order.
01:42:44.000You know, I mean, I don't know what to say.
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01:44:14.000He's fudged since day one of this election.
01:44:17.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascism.
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01:47:47.000With 45 minutes on the big picture of the staged flu, the martial law, finally getting traction, mainline congressmen, former congressmen, Governor's Association talking about martial law, troops.
01:48:13.000At least we still have our country and our economy and our future.
01:48:17.000So, we've been right, it's all coming true, exactly as we said, you have all done a job off the charts good.
01:48:25.000You've all done a job off the charts good.
01:48:30.000uh... dealing with the obama joker posters on Infowars.com we're gonna do one that says bank heist bank robber we're gonna do one uh... that says liar we're gonna do one that says end the war they're all up on the flyer page at Infowars.com just click on the contest page we're making a bigger article about it all it's about the first amendment it's about free speech worldwide it's about the people seeing the power Of going out and engaging in the First Amendment.
01:48:57.000Obama said in the Washington Post to his members to stick favorable posters of him on stop signs.