Best selling author John Perkins joins Alex Jones to discuss his new book, Confessions of an Economic Hitman. John Perkins is a New York Times best selling author, journalist, and film producer. He is the author of the best selling book, "Hoodwinked" and his new film, "Fall of the Republic" is in pre-production.
00:02:13.000Nutshell, tell folks about yourself and get into hoodwinked.
00:02:17.000Well, I was an economic hitman, and I think it's fair to say that we economic hitmen have created the world's first truly global empire.
00:02:24.000We've done it primarily without the military.
00:02:26.000First time in history that's happened.
00:02:28.000And we work many ways, but the most common is that we identify a third world country that has resources our corporations covet.
00:02:36.000Then we basically convince, bribe, coerce the leaders of those countries into accepting loans.
00:02:44.000Uh, to build big infrastructure projects.
00:02:46.000But the money doesn't go to those countries.
00:02:47.000Instead, it goes to our own companies that build those projects, like hydro dams and highways and airports.
00:02:53.000Things that help acute, very rich people in those countries, but don't help the majority of the people who don't have enough money to buy electricity or drive cars on the highways or work in the industrial parks or benefit from them.
00:03:05.000But the country's left holding a huge debt that it can't repay.
00:03:09.000So at some point we go back and say, you know, you owe us all this money.
00:03:12.000You can't repay us or give us a pound of flesh.
00:03:14.000Sell your oil real cheap to our oil companies.
00:03:17.000Or vote with us on the next critical United Nations vote.
00:03:20.000Send troops in support of ours to someplace like Iraq.
00:03:23.000And when we fail, I talk in my books about how I failed with Jaime Roldos, President of Ecuador, and Omar Torrijos of Panama.
00:03:33.000And these are CIA-sponsored people who overthrow governments or assassinate their leaders.
00:03:37.000Both Roaldos and Torrijos were assassinated because I failed.
00:03:42.000And in this way, we've really created the world's first truly global empire.
00:03:47.000Now, what's interesting and what I talk a lot about at Hoodwink is that we were so successful at doing this in the third world that now it's come back and the economic hitmen have come home to roost.
00:03:58.000These same techniques are being implemented here in the United States as well as throughout the rest of the world.
00:04:03.000And it's one of the reasons that we're having this tremendous recession that we're undergoing today, this huge economic tsunami that hit us.
00:04:10.000It's really a consequence of these policies that we've been implementing for the last several decades.
00:04:30.000and saw this bookstore full of people with two people Grabbing and buying the books up.
00:04:37.000I was watching the stack of economic hitmen go down just in 20 seconds while I was looking at a magazine.
00:04:43.000So really exciting that your book has had such success because when I can physically see people You know, buying it off the shelf in front of me in seconds, it just must be amazing.
00:04:56.000When we come back, we'll talk about Hoodwink, probably gonna be even bigger, with John Perkins and his take on the Blackwater revelations, how that ties into CIA hit teams, the Jackals, and a lot more.
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00:06:08.000Hello friends, this is Alex Jones and I want each of you to ask yourself this question.
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00:08:45.000The new one's coming out very, very soon, and that is Hoodwinked.
00:08:50.000John Perkins, tell us specifically, then we'll get into all these other issues, about Hoodwinked, when it's coming out, what it covers.
00:08:56.000It comes out November 10th at Random House, and it's You know what really generated it was the current recession, and my sense that all of the stuff that we're talking about, AIG, Wall Street, the banks, the auto industry, you know, try and deal with all of that as triage.
00:09:13.000It's putting Band-Aids on wounds, and we need the Band-Aids to a certain degree because there's a lot of hemorrhaging going on, we've got to stop.
00:09:20.000But what we really need to look at is the root cause beneath the system, beneath the surface, and that is systemic.
00:09:28.000And it's something that nobody's really looking at very hard.
00:09:31.000To me, this is a mutant form of capitalism that's been going on for about the last 20 years.
00:09:41.000Sure, we need Band-Aids, but we need to go much, much deeper than that.
00:09:45.000Capitalism's been around for about 400 years.
00:09:48.000It's taken many, many different forms.
00:09:50.000And in the last Thirty years, really, since the time of Reagan.
00:09:55.000And this has happened on both Democrats and Republicans, but it really started with Reagan.
00:09:59.000It's taken this trend toward this very mutant, viral form of capitalism, which is extremely greedy and extremely self-destructive, ultimately.
00:10:07.000It's really the form of capitalism that came out of Milton Friedman, the economist from the University of Chicago, and Reagan bought into it big time, and every president since has bought into it.
00:10:18.000Well, wasn't the coup de grace in 99 with the Glass-Steagall Act that Bill Clinton got rid of?
00:10:33.000When I went to business school in the late 60s, Alex, God, I hate to think of how long ago, When I went to business school in the late 60s, all my professors said there could never be another depression like the one in the 30s, because we've enacted all these rules to prevent it.
00:10:48.000Well, that was true, but then we changed all that, and Glass-Steagall under Clinton was a huge part of that, but there were a whole slew of them that changed, and a whole lot of attitude toward money and usury rates.
00:11:01.000Under George Bush, we had huge increases in interest rates that people had to pay.
00:11:57.000They just handed me a note saying he is scheduled for November 11th when it comes out, so my producer was wrong by one day, so it's coming out November 10th.
00:12:04.000Now, I agree with a lot of what you have to say.
00:12:06.000Later in the interview, I want to get into maybe somewhat of a debate about economic systems and choices, but I think what we agree on is this crony capitalist system, this mutant form of capitalism, I just call it piracy.
00:12:19.000I mean, if they can just create trillions in made-up derivatives and then have the central governments bail them out when they're using the money to then go loan it at loan-sharking rates to third-world countries, third-world people, the American people, I mean, that's sick.
00:12:33.000We give them the government-backed loans.
00:12:36.000They then leverage it, fractional reserve it.
00:12:39.000And then we pay interest to the banks on our money they loan back to us.
00:12:44.000I mean, is that a good way of boiling it down?
00:13:01.000One of the things that we have to understand is that big corporations, the banks and the other corporations that are behind this, They are very beholden to us.
00:13:09.000They only exist because we give them business.
00:13:14.000We buy their goods and services, or we allow our tax dollars and our government to go into that.
00:13:19.000There are many ways to resist, and I think it's terribly important that we do that now.
00:13:24.000You know, what we have to realize in all of this is that this economic crisis is basically telling us that we have a failed system, totally failed, on a global basis.
00:13:34.000Less than 5% of the world's population live in the United States and we consume more than 25% of the world's resources.
00:13:41.000It's not a model that you can give to China or India or Latin America or Africa.
00:13:46.000You'd need another 5 or 6 planets with all our resources and no people to be able to use this as a model for other people.
00:13:53.000So what we're seeing is a totally failed system.
00:13:56.000And we must understand that for our sake, for our children's sake, and our grandchildren's sake, We have to turn this around.
00:14:02.000We have to come up with a very, very different system.
00:14:04.000John Perkins, I want to get into that area because I agree with you on so much, but I also disagree with you in some areas because we know we do have a wasteful form of life.
00:14:20.000Lifestyle we know we're four percent of the world's population in the US and we use roughly half the world's resources And we know there's a lot of toxic waste associated with that and a lot of problems But the way I see government addressing that and the big mega corporations addressing it is by haunt showing and steering the environmental movement to simply set up new taxes and control and To further vertically integrate the consolidation of power in this new phase of robber baron colonialism.
00:14:51.000Because they fundamentally know that there is a certain truth to what's happening to the environment on many levels.
00:15:01.000And so they wrap the truth around their overall lie of this new bank of the world, global government.
00:15:09.000paying carbon taxes to the new bank of the world.
00:15:12.000I mean, really, it's going from the robber barons going in and economic hit-manning third-world countries under their control to now just setting up a planetary regime under the environment because they know at a base level that makes sense in people's ingrained humanity to be good it's going from the robber barons going in and economic hit-manning third-world countries under Well, absolutely.
00:15:33.000And the way that they distort the truth and, you know, move groups...
00:15:38.000So today we've got this huge grassroots movement basically supported by the insurance industry and the pharmaceutical industry opposing any kind of real insurance for people that don't have insurance.
00:15:51.000We've got the corporations out there making it, trying to make it look as though the people are behind so much of what just benefits the corporation.
00:16:00.000And, you know, I think one amazing instance of this is what's just happened in Honduras, A democratically elected president was overthrown by a military regime that was under the control of the CIA and big American corporate interests, the big agribusinesses, Dole, Chiquita, Kraft, Cargill, as well as the textile industry.
00:16:21.000And yet, here in the United States, we're being told that this is a president who was trying to usurp the democratic process in Honduras, which is not true at all.
00:16:57.000But now even mainstream media has come out and clearly shown private corporations, mercenaries, CIA front groups, jackals, hyenas that you call them, were clearly involved and did this and even dropped the president off at a Costa Rican U.S. military base.
00:17:13.000So I asked you during the break, I said, from what you've seen in the news, is that accurate?
00:17:18.000Please elaborate on the difference between an economic hitman versus jackals and hyenas and what really happened a month ago in Honduras.
00:17:26.000Well, economic hitman went into Honduras originally, tried to convince Zelaya, the president of Honduras, to change his ways because what he was saying is that Honduras is going to increase its minimum wage by 60%.
00:17:41.000And that has a huge impact on gold and tequila and those who hire laborers out in the field to pick their pie, you know, all their goods.
00:17:49.000So they're going to go from, what, 50 cents an hour to $1.10 or something?
00:17:57.000And also that there's a lot of sweatshops from our textile companies, you know, like Nike and other companies like that in there.
00:18:04.000But it's much bigger than that, Alex, because something similar happened with Aristide and Haiti.
00:18:11.000And both Haiti and Honduras are looked at as the bottom rung on the ladder of wages in Latin America.
00:18:20.000So no country will go below those countries.
00:18:23.000So if, in fact, Honduras or Haiti increases their minimum wage, then Ecuador and Nicaragua and El Salvador and every other country in the southern hemisphere Have to increase its wages to stay above those because no one wants to go below those countries.
00:18:39.000So it wasn't just about Honduras anymore than it was just about Haiti.
00:18:42.000It was about drawing a line in the sand and saying, we are not going to permit this to happen.
00:18:48.000And I think we have to understand that there's a revolution going on in Latin America.
00:18:52.000Ten countries representing more than 80% of the population of South America have voted in in the last few years Progressive presidents who are saying no more exploitation by these foreign corporations.
00:19:05.000Ten countries, and every one of these countries, Alex, during most of my lifetime was run by brutal dictators who were under the control of the CIA and big corporations.
00:19:14.000That's all changed very, very recently.
00:19:17.000And so the line in the sand now has been drawn in Honduras.
00:19:22.000This is a fairly easy country to do it, but this is trying to establish a whole new precedent saying, look, We're stopping this revolution right here.
00:19:31.000And in stopping it, we're also going to undermine these other ten countries that have already voted in these presidents.
00:19:38.000And most of the American people don't have any idea that this is going on, and our media has been very flaccid in informing us.
00:19:49.000Well, we're trying to get all points of view and all issues in here, and clearly the CIA was involved in this because they want to keep those people down.
00:19:59.000If you let one ant stand up, they might all stand up, and those little ants outnumber us a hundred to one.
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00:21:30.000He's fudged since day one of this election.
00:21:32.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascist.
00:22:28.000How is it that we the people grow the cotton, weave it into fabric, engrave the ink, embed the strips and fibers that protect it from counterfeit, then cart the money off to a privately owned bank to have it lent back to us at interest, forcing us to pay taxes to service the debt?
00:22:44.000Or was Jefferson correct when he said, a central bank issuing a public currency is a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army?
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00:24:37.000John, you specifically, all over Latin America, all over Asia, you were kind of the velvet glove, I would describe it from reading your book.
00:24:47.000And also reading other government documents about similar programs going in trying to, you know, give them the carrot instead of the stick.
00:24:59.000And then asking that question, I want to preface it with, obviously you know about Blackwater running hit teams, but the media has spun this saying, oh, just killing Al Qaeda.
00:25:20.000We know Delta Force and other groups out of the Pentagon have engaged in murder, but is this new to have private contractors doing it, or are we now just learning about it because of the internet age?
00:26:19.000And yet they're all lumped under this one ism.
00:26:23.000Isn't the War on Terror, John, just a global letter of marque by Western governments to kill, steal, destroy, torture, murder whoever you want and anybody that resists you is called a terrorist?
00:26:40.000Yeah, you know, there was communism, and that truly existed.
00:26:45.000There's Catholicism, and there's all kinds of isms, but terrorism really isn't an ism.
00:26:51.000You know, there's al-Qaedaism, there's Farcism, but they're totally separate.
00:26:55.000And yeah, this is just a way of making it sound as though we've got some huge enemy out there.
00:27:01.000What we really got out there is a bunch of starving people, unhappy people, who latch on to fanatical leaders like Osama Bin Laden because they don't know what else to do.
00:27:14.000And they do it under FARC and Columbia.
00:27:16.000I know a lot of the members of FARC, and I shouldn't say a lot, I know some members of FARC.
00:27:20.000These are farmers who were driven off their land by big hydroelectric projects or oil fields that destroyed their farming land.
00:27:28.000They have no way to feed their families.
00:27:45.000I've actually found in my research a lot of times Western powers and corporations will actually fund the radical group that is bloody and crooked as a way down the road to then successfully demonize the entire indigenous population.
00:28:02.000So they always push people towards the most radicalized, knowing down the road that will discredit the indigenous resistance.
00:32:08.000This is Alex Jones, and I want each of you to ask yourself this question.
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00:35:09.000As more and more comes out, I mean, Cheney Ordering private hit teams and Delta Force hit teams to murder his enemies overseas, corporate enemies overseas.
00:35:20.000Ridge being ordered to issue fake terror alerts.
00:35:23.000And Obama is saying, no investigation of torture, no investigation of Blackwater, no investigation of any of this.
00:35:33.000Or he'll do the corporate tactic of saying, I'm looking at it but then not do it.
00:35:37.000He's keeping the continual secret arrest, indefinite detention.
00:35:42.000Can you speak to prosecuting or at least investigating Bush?
00:35:48.000Or can we just, I guess, let him get away with it?
00:35:50.000I mean, what does this do precedent-wise to let them get away with Blackwater and underage girls and all the rest of it?
00:36:31.000And once you're in that White House, I think you begin to see things that you never saw before.
00:36:34.000I suspect Obama's getting tremendous amounts of pressure put on him.
00:36:38.000It's one of the reasons he's been caving in to so many things.
00:36:41.000You know, his own Attorney General, Eric Holder, was a partner at a law firm called Covington & Burling, LLP.
00:36:50.000This law firm defended Chiquita, the big banana company that's now the big company in Honduras, Chiquita was accused of hiring assassination squads in Colombia, and their main defender was an attorney named Eric Holder, who's now our Attorney General.
00:37:30.000Chiquita, incidentally, was found guilty of hiring assassination squads in Colombia.
00:37:34.000In fact, it is admitted that it had paid organizations listed by the U.S.
00:37:37.000government as terrorist groups for protection and paid a $25 million fine in 2004.
00:37:46.000Eric Holder, our current Attorney General, was their main defender then, and now he's defending the actions of the coup that overthrew the Democratic-elected President Honduras.
00:37:58.000It's just another instance, Alex, of how ingrained all of this is in all of our governments, whether we have Democrats in there, including the most liberal Democrat we've had, the current one, Obama, or whether we have conservative Republicans like Bush.
00:38:15.000The real people in control are the big corporations.
00:38:19.000We're seeing this over and over and over again.
00:38:23.000And so, you've got guys like Cheney, you've got guys like all the cabinet members you mentioned earlier, who now are trying not to be found guilty of being involved in assassination attempts.
00:38:34.000But the fact of the matter is, all these people at the top of government came from out of the big corporations.
00:38:49.000Because whether they're working for the government or whether they're working for private corporations, they're all working for the same thing, which is expanding this empire.
00:38:58.000Well John Perkins, I'm not defending Obama because I saw him built up as this big corporate juggernaut.
00:39:04.000I saw him getting four plus times the money that McCain got.
00:39:09.000I just was clear he was the anointed one.
00:39:12.000But I do have to give credit when I do occasionally see it.
00:39:17.000Panetta did scurry over immediately to Congress within days of getting in and said, look, they just admitted to me they've got all these head squads.
00:40:13.000How are you going to fight the military?
00:40:14.000So you try to do whatever you can on whatever front you can.
00:40:18.000And I've seen this happen time and time again with Latin American presidents who want to do the right things, but realize that if they get thrown out or if they get assassinated, that's not going to do any good, because the next president coming along is just going to be scared Terribly scared, and they're not going to do anything.
00:40:33.000So you try to stay in power, and you try to do what you can.
00:40:36.000In the case of a guy like Obama, he's tried to institute some environmental laws that are decent, and he's tried to do things with health insurance, but he keeps running up against very, very powerful forces of resistance.
00:40:55.000We have to stand up to corporations and say, listen, I'm not buying from Dole or Chiquita.
00:41:00.000You know, and send them emails and tell them, we're never buying another one of your bananas or pineapples because of what you're doing in Honduras.
00:41:07.000You change your ways or we're going to force you to go out of business.
00:41:10.000And I'll tell you what, if enough of us do that, they'll have to change their ways.
00:41:15.000If enough of us stop buying Nike and send them emails and say, we're not buying from you because you get sweatshops in Indonesia and instead we buy from sweatshop free organizations and send them emails.
00:41:25.000I do agree with you that responsible consumerism is one of the strongest tools we've got.
00:41:34.000That's why these monopoly men want to create nothing but cartels where we don't even have a choice.
00:41:45.000Now, organics, even in small towns, because people demanded it and then built a market Buying local is getting bigger and bigger.
00:41:54.000And we've got, because the companies, they trans-fab a lot of food recently, and you know, we got rid of aerosol cans, we're destroying the ozone layer, we've got companies to clean up terribly polluted rivers.
00:42:05.000We have a lot of power when we use it.
00:42:07.000I think we need to understand that it's always come from we, the people.
00:42:11.000We didn't get rid of slavery in this country because Abraham Lincoln found himself at the White House.
00:42:17.000We got rid of slavery because we voted in a president, Lincoln, who was opposed to slavery.
00:42:22.000Women didn't get the right to vote because Woodrow Wilson was pro-suffrage.
00:42:27.000Women get the right to vote because they've been demonstrating for it for a long time.
00:42:30.000And then, when Wilson was president, he constantly was out on the road speaking about how we needed to get involved in World War I, how we needed to defend democracy in Europe.
00:42:39.000Women met him at every place he went, holding up huge placards that said, why should we defend democracy in Europe when half of our population in the United States can't vote?
00:42:48.000So finally, Woodrow Wilson came around.
00:42:52.000We didn't get out of Vietnam because Richard Nixon was anti-war.
00:42:57.000He had to take us out of Vietnam because he understood that we, the people, were not going to put up with it any longer, plus we were losing the war.
00:43:03.000But I think we need to understand that we, the people, need to take action.
00:43:08.000And in this particular case, in some respects, it's easier than it's ever been because these things are all controlled by big corporations today.
00:43:15.000And the marketplace is democratic if we choose to make it such.
00:43:18.000These corporations only exist because we buy the goods and services or our tax dollars buy the goods and services.
00:43:27.000We, the people, need to start taking more responsibility.
00:43:29.000It doesn't do any good to complain about these things and then go out and buy bananas from Dole or tennis shoes from Nike.
00:43:36.000Sure, John, I agree with you on that front, and I believe you're coming at this from a good perspective, that you're a good guy, that you have changed your ways.
00:43:46.000I just think it's also important to realize that just trying to do the right thing isn't enough.
00:43:52.000We have to make sure we're not part of the fake corporate clone or counterfeit Where they try to get control of our grassroots movements and then say use environmental laws to take farms and ranches or restrict people.
00:44:11.000Take farms and ranches, not let people build on it.
00:44:14.000And then ten years later, they build shopping malls on it and skyscrapers.
00:44:18.000So I also see the environmental movement run by the big banks, by the very economic pirate ships, these corporations bigger than most governments.
00:44:28.000And so, yes, I know there's real environmental problems.
00:44:38.000I don't want to live off the backs of starving people in Peru.
00:44:42.000But at the same time, it's a big job to navigate this and try to figure out what's real and what isn't and how do you not get co-opted.
00:44:51.000I mean, because it sounds great to take Ecuador and say they have a constitution saying that they're going to give trees and animals rights, but then I always see that By the neo-eugenicists as their pretext to say the world government's going to vote for you because it's voting for the cockroaches and the dolphins and they outvote humanity.
00:45:12.000So I'm just saying this is a minefield because these global corporations are in power because they are so slick.
00:45:20.000Well, you're right about that, but you know, I think that we can see beyond a great deal of that.
00:45:29.000We can see that there That they're using their power and abusing it.
00:45:33.000We can see this in the way they take care of themselves.
00:45:36.000I do a lot of speaking at business schools these days, which I find ironic that business schools even invite me to speak.
00:45:41.000I wrote a book called Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
00:45:43.000But the kids in these business schools, many of them are really interested in some of these subjects.
00:45:48.000And one of the things I keep running into is some of the icons that are held up there.
00:45:52.000A guy named Jack Welch, who was CEO of General Electric.
00:45:56.000He's held out as this great icon because he made his corporation lean and mean, which means he laid off a quarter of GE's people, put them out on the street, but at the same time he paid himself huge bonuses and salary increases.
00:46:09.000And he also took GE away from manufacturing things, goods, being a manufacturing firm, into being a financial paper trading firm, which is one of the things that drove us into the financial crisis.
00:46:51.000In fact, I talk so much about the map-making of the mind, or blueprints in the mind, how the establishment builds these, and I'm not saying Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods or somebody shouldn't be on the cover of something, or Brock Lesnar of Ultimate Fighting, but when this country was the jewel in the crown of the Renaissance, the stars were inventors and scientists and humanitarians And people that stood up against corruption.
00:47:18.000And so the establishment very cunningly took our real heroes away and gave us heroes of no consequence.
00:47:26.000And we don't need to let that happen anymore.
00:47:28.000Yeah, you mentioned Tiger Woods, for example.
00:47:30.000My God, you know, here's a guy that's making, I don't know what he's making this year, $40 million off Nike or whatever.
00:47:35.000Meanwhile, Nike's paying... No, he's paid $109 million.
00:47:40.000Well, I mean, well, Nike's paying its workers in Indonesia that make all the things that Michael Jordan is advertising, sub-living standard wages.
00:47:50.000These people are living almost like slaves, and that's well documented.
00:47:56.000So, you know, why doesn't Tiger Woods, if he wants to be our hero, he doesn't need to give any more golf balls.
00:48:01.000What he needs to do is say, listen, I'm not going to let Nike get away with this anymore.
00:48:07.000Or I'm going to advertise some other company, and I'll do it for free, some company that's paying their... That would revolutionize the world, but see, Tiger Woods, the only reason I know about this is I've looked into him, and I heard the number on the radio, on Fox News Radio, they announced his hundred plus million dollar contract, and that's just Nike, not counting this watch and that shirt and...
00:48:29.000I guess all of us have to not buy it while they do that, but Tiger Woods has been interviewed how he isn't involved in any politics, in any policies, in any charities really except for some charity for college dealing with golf.
00:48:46.000He thinks it's a moral thing that he's not involved.
00:48:50.000He thinks it's like a good thing, and the corporations just worship him because he is cold-blooded.
00:48:56.000And I can't imagine having a hundred million dollars a year based on people dying of diseases in sweatshops, in these horrible malaria-infested camps, and maquiladoras.
00:49:09.000I mean, and I'm not some goody-two-shoe.
00:49:11.000I mean, I'm a pretty hard-nosed guy, but yeah, Tiger Woods could become a mega icon.
00:49:37.000And this is where it really belongs, Alexis, is that we, the people, have to recognize that we have responsibilities.
00:49:45.000And if we want a country of, by, and for the people, instead of one that's of, by, and for the elite, the corporations, etc., we've got to get off our butts and do something about it.
00:49:57.000I think that's what you're calling for all the time, so it's one of the reasons I love being on your show, because you're inspiring and empowering people to do that.
00:50:05.000We need to do it more and more and more, because it's always been the way that change has happened.
00:50:10.000I agree, but John, what would you call that corporate attitude?
00:50:26.000And you know, I think that at the top of a number of our corporations, we do have sociopath people who have basically no conscience, that don't care about what harm they bring to others.
00:50:35.000I think Jack Welch was a person like that, and I think Bill Nye at Nike is.
00:50:41.000But throughout the rest of the corporation, most of the other managers and people are not, and those are the ones we need to get to.
00:50:48.000Well, absolutely, but I mean, also we destroy our own world, not just environmentally, but culturally.
00:50:55.000This attitude, I see the local yuppies mimic it, and they're into laughing at bad things happening, as if it doesn't touch them, when their kids are going to end up committing suicide or on drugs in this sick society.
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00:52:31.000He's fudged since day one of this election.
00:52:34.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascism.
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00:54:20.000Me and John were just talking about all the websites and groups where you can find out about the sweatshop free clothes and products that are becoming more and more popular.
00:54:28.000And it's those little choices that you think are little that really add up.
00:55:51.000Let me get a quick comment from John Perkins, and I would just briefly say, This is crony capitalism, and it's been said many times, where the risk is socialized, the profit is privatized.
00:56:03.000So it's not really capitalism, John Perkins.
00:56:08.000That's why I say it's what I'm calling a mutant form of capitalism, where it's all balanced in favor of a few very, very wealthy and powerful people.
00:56:18.000But we need to turn that around, and we can do that.
00:56:21.000It's like going to a casino where you never win.
00:56:45.000Perkins, I lived for nine months in poverty-ridden Peru under U.S.
00:56:49.000puppet Toledo, and it dawned on me there that would not absolute freedom, and I'm asking you, Absolute freedom worldwide for farmers.
00:56:57.000Help cancel all continually counterproductive wars on behalf of illegal drug warlords that we're waging in Mexico, Colombia, Peru, Afghanistan, all over the world.
00:57:08.000You're asking how is the phony drug war?
00:57:11.000Well, I loved watching General Myers on TV last night explain how the occupation made the opium production go way up.
00:57:19.000That's a good final comment from John Perkins.
00:57:39.000produced cotton in Mexico for a lot less of a price than Mexican cotton simply because it's so subsidized in the United States for the big industries.
00:58:23.000Well, the new book's coming out, and we're going to interview you the day after it comes out, November 11th, coming up in a month and a half or so.
00:58:30.000John Perkins, best-selling author of Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
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01:01:30.000So see, we've had police taking blood illegally from people so long, that now, They get to frame the articles about, oh, we're changing the way we take your blood now.
01:02:51.000And you've been talking a lot lately, you know, how do we address the swine flu pandemic issues, you know, all the threats that we're facing here rather soon.
01:03:01.000And it actually was an idea I had last week We expanded on the idea, launched some videos, put the information on the website to launch a global campaign for 9-11-09.
01:03:14.000And I apologize, I don't speak on the radio often, so my nerves are getting to me here.
01:03:31.000We've seen a rise of interest and with that interest we've also seen hijacking by the media and demonization of the media and we'd like to get the people out there at a simultaneous time starting noon Eastern Standard Time, 11 a.m.
01:03:49.000the streets and and and i believe that uh...
01:03:51.000especially considering the interest that we've had lately globally people have been hit in our site like crazy and uh...
01:03:57.000that's good that's exciting send me some info on it look i'm calling on everybody to start their own website start their own groups and promote it even with my huge audience i'm not trying to launch some simultaneous or organized coordinated thing What's had success?
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01:07:09.000Alex Jones with some important questions.
01:07:12.000If you're going into a battle and they give you a rifle and a sidearm, how much ammunition do you want?
01:08:31.000Paul Watson's written a more detailed article now up at PrisonPlanet.com.
01:08:36.000If you go to InfoWars.com and click on a big banner halfway down that says the poster revolution and we'll put that up on screen for folks at PrisonPlanet.tv in a moment.
01:08:51.000And it goes over the new poster revolution.
01:08:59.000Infowars is launching a new political poster contest following the viral success of the Obama Joker campaign.
01:09:07.000The posters can be related to any subject you like, whether it be swine flu vaccine, fluoride in the water, Police brutality, genetically modified food, or the man-made global warming hoax.
01:09:21.000Pick any issue you like, make a poster, and then film yourself posting it in public and upload the video to YouTube or similar website.
01:09:30.000Posters should be posted in public commons with other flyers, public announcements, handbills, etc.
01:09:37.000Please do not post on federal property as this will be considered vandalism and they'll get the nanny around and whine and cry to themselves and will be counterproductive and diminish the message because the criminals that run things will pose as victims.
01:09:52.000The poster must include InfoWars or PrisonPlanet.com somewhere on the design.
01:09:57.000Prizes will be given to 1st and 2nd and 3rd place winners.
01:10:02.000The most dynamic, hard-hitting artist entries will take the prize.
01:10:06.0001,000 1st place, 500 2nd place, 3rd place 200.
01:10:10.000Send your poster artwork to contests at InfoWars.com.
01:10:13.000Post on the web and send us the address.
01:10:16.000The contest runs for Two weeks from Friday, August 21st until Friday, September 4th.
01:10:34.000Graphics lady, one of our great graphics people, she made a great one, kind of a variant of the David Dees snake with fangs dealing with the flu.
01:10:42.000Let's go ahead and get that posted and ask Kurt Nemo to get, ask Derek to have Nemo post that.
01:11:04.000People reminded me that artwork's around here somewhere.
01:11:06.000I put a Hitler mustache on the Obama poster.
01:11:09.000Really, it was a joke, but I guess I said I would be honorable mention, so I better mail that out to somebody, that original Alex Jones artwork.
01:11:18.000But the whole issue here is there is now other TV stations saying it's a hate crime and I should be arrested, and that talking bad about Obama is a crime.
01:11:28.000We have those videos linked up on PrisonPlanet.com.
01:11:34.000And anybody who ever doubted these hate crimes legislation, that they really do plan with the cyberbullying and the rest of it to arrest you for your speech, here's the proof.
01:11:44.000And so we stand up to them and say no to them or it's over.
01:11:47.000And a lot of you have all these great ideas.
01:11:50.000You know, a Joker picture of Obama with two injectors under him, two needles under him, like a skull and crossbones, with him wearing the old-fashioned doctor mirror.
01:12:01.000You know, the doctor light on his head.
01:13:21.000The mere fact they're saying that it's illegal to criticize him now and that it's hate speech and I should be arrested is the whole reason we're doing this.
01:13:29.000I never did this with Bush because people were making him a monkey and making him a Nazi and making him Hitler and making him...
01:13:38.000A vampire, and a goblin, and a joker, and nobody ever said it was illegal.
01:13:43.000I was no fan of Bush, and we lampooned him.
01:13:46.000But when they said three weeks ago, it's illegal, we need to arrest whoever's criticizing the president, I said, okay, let's go big time with this.
01:15:01.000Hey, thanks so much for all the work you've been doing.
01:15:03.000I mean, I've been listening to you for over a course of a few years, but more Recently in the last eight or nine months and I just want to thank you for all the great information that you're putting out there and really getting the word out to so many people.
01:15:20.000I've taken a lot of your advice and a lot of my own ideas and I've gone right ahead and And try to, you know, get more people involved and understand the issues, because for the most part, people out there, they're just not in tune with what's actually going on.
01:15:36.000I mean, they're completely under the spell of the media and being manipulated into all sorts of different horrible things, which you talk about all the time.
01:15:47.000And, I mean, what you do is just a real great service.
01:15:54.000And as far as, like, you know, websites and things that people have going on out there, for the word, I mean, it is hard to sift through so much information.
01:16:04.000If you don't mind, I'd like to plug one site that I'm involved with.
01:16:10.000Yeah, my father's actually an author, and he has been writing books on the issues in which that you speak about in many cases for a number of years now, and the site is I like people doing plugs, but those are the die-hard callers.
01:16:28.000And then every caller, it's just a plug.
01:16:30.000And then it's not ever about the issues.
01:17:03.000Listen, I have sent you a flyer that I received from a friend of mine about the H1N1 virus.
01:17:12.000They were having a Meeting in Washington D.C.
01:17:17.000and they were trying to educate people on it.
01:17:19.000The only education they need to know is that I will not stand for my daughter or any of my family to have this shot.
01:17:28.000That's the only education they need to know about it.
01:17:32.000That's right, in these federal training manuals and documents, forced inoculation, quarantines, lockdowns of cities, taking your children from you, and even if they don't get away with it this time, if we fight them hard, it's about testing federal, and then the feds render you in control under level 6.
01:17:51.000So it's all about drilling everybody to accept this, and all about federalization.
01:18:00.000All we can do is continue to expose them.
01:18:01.000The good news is their plan to fearmonger and hype everybody into taking these shots isn't going well.
01:18:08.000Well, I've already told my 16-year-old daughter if they try and force her to take this vaccine at her school, she is not to take it.
01:18:18.000She is to call me and then I will report right straight to the principal.
01:19:20.000What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna come back, get into this newscast about the police forcibly taking your blood all around the country and the world, but right here where I live in Austin.
01:19:30.000And see, it's about now, oh, you're not gonna give me blood?
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01:21:31.000He's fudged since day one in this election.
01:21:33.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascist.
01:22:27.000How is it that we the people grow the cotton, weave it into fabric, engrave the ink, embed the strips and fibers that protect it from counterfeit, then cart the money off to a privately owned bank to have it lent back to us at interest, forcing us to pay taxes to service the debt?
01:22:43.000Or was Jefferson correct when he said, a central bank issuing a public currency is a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army?
01:24:27.000Oh, All over the world in the last six, seven years, I've seen the British governments where it started, then Canada, then the U.S.
01:24:35.000Federal governments, all under international standardization, want your blood.
01:24:40.000And in England, they're honest about it.
01:24:42.000They said, we're going to start taking tissue swabs out of the cheek.
01:24:46.000Those are some of the largest and easiest to remove DNA samples.
01:24:51.000So if you're stopped for speeding or for questioning, in England they randomly take your DNA.
01:24:57.000They're now doing it on street corners, they have mobile vans, they just snatch you and pull you in, no judge, no jury.
01:25:03.000They're getting rid of Magna Carta, getting rid of due process.
01:25:07.000Now all over the United States, and we've had Police Chief Art Acevedo in the seat, he admits Most police chiefs laugh at this, because they know the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
01:25:21.000The feds are paying to have the local police with these fake warrants, and we've had the head of the Texas Bar on, and we've had judges on, it's on record.
01:25:31.000It's these fake master warrants the judge swears out.
01:25:35.000And at mobile vans, mobile RVs, they take your blood on the side of the highway.
01:25:41.000Now I would tell people about this six years ago in Phoenix and in Denver.
01:25:46.000And I'd have the news articles and people couldn't believe it.
01:25:49.000I used to get calls, it would just be radio, I'd say, here's the Denver Post, here's the Phoenix, here's the Tucson Star, people didn't believe it.
01:25:59.000That's how in denial people were five years ago.
01:26:02.000Now they go, oh yeah, it's good, take my blood at checkpoints.
01:26:08.000So it gets worse and worse and worse, and now they're just saying, Well, let's go ahead and play the news.
01:26:14.000See, first they start it, now they're expanding it, and because it was illegal, the state's trying to weigh in to make it legal.
01:26:21.000Kind of like, oh, warrantless wiretapping's illegal, but we're going to pass a law federally so it'll be legal.
01:26:57.000Tyler, starting September the 1st, police across Texas won't need a search warrant to draw blood from people involved in one of three situations after a crash.
01:27:08.000Number one, if you injure someone in that crash, or number two, if you have prior DWIs, or number three, if you have a child in your car at the time of the crash.
01:27:17.000So in other words, blood... That's how tyranny works!
01:27:21.000See, first the Feds say, we're going to pay you to do these with fake warrants, master rubber stamp warrants, just a master warrant.
01:27:32.000Just like with the national wiretapping.
01:27:34.000Then they just go, you know what, it's for children, we're getting rid of all of it.
01:28:05.000Yeah, like the government ships the heroin and cocaine in for our own good and has put 20% of school kids on Prozac and Ritalin for their own good?
01:29:17.000I mean, I now have the local newspapers where I live saying I need to be arrested for people, not for putting the signs up, that it should be illegal, that I criticized our God, our Savior, Barack Obama.
01:29:30.000I mean, do you see how once they do this, it's all over?
01:29:38.000Is a newborn baby suspected of drunk driving or wrecking a car?
01:29:41.000Because for 36 years, at birth, in the Western world, under a UN mandate, blood is taken secretly at birth and put in a world DNA database, and that's now been declassified and been in all the local papers.
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01:34:09.000When you watch CNN, and it's so slick, and they've got The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on, almost nightly now, explaining how great the Afghan war is and everything is so slick and high def.
01:34:27.000You have to understand that 20, 30, 40 years ago, the establishment was making news reporters behave as actors, but now they've just gotten rid of the journalist and replaced them with actors posing as journalists.
01:35:22.000I was glued to CNN at my friend's houses and at my girlfriend's house growing up in Dallas.
01:35:28.000That was right before I moved to Austin.
01:35:30.000And I remember in high school just American flag on my car, yellow ribbons on the house, just totally into it.
01:35:43.000And you see CNN's Charles Jaco joke off-camera about the hoax they were playing.
01:35:50.000Don't think for a moment they've stopped doing this.
01:35:55.000One only has to watch this clip to understand how a global media giant like CNN can fool not just a population but the entire planet.
01:36:04.000And I was in the comments section of InfoWars last night reading some comments, because I always get good tips, and somebody was in there asking me, Alex, why haven't you covered this?
01:36:14.000We actually broke this in the late 1990s.
01:36:16.000I was sent the footage, reportedly by somebody at CNN.
01:37:08.000Now, and I'm glad you brought it to our attention, because... You think about how ridiculous this is,
01:37:18.000eighteen years ago eighteen years into the beginning of the siege on iraq in the uh... at least three million dead total last six and a half years of liberation it's a million three hundred thousand conservatively but it's upwards of three million uh... lands at journal and other prestigious organizations that are uh... nonpartisan have come have come up with that so there's a bunch of these clips and if you just google For those listening on the radio, I want to see these.
01:37:48.000I got Watson doing another blurb report, kind of condensing our older reports on this, and some of the things people posted on Prison Planet.
01:37:56.000Like I said, the Tonka report's pretty good on this.
01:37:59.000There's a whole bunch of these videos.
01:38:01.000And there's him going, we're being hit.
01:38:06.000And then later they're joking, you know, about how they're going to pose and act like they're afraid of sarin nerve gas, which Saddam didn't fire.
01:38:14.000And then they do this whole thing where they pose and you see him in his ear getting the order.
01:38:19.000She's going, do you have your gas mask?
01:38:21.000And he's going, I don't have the report.
01:38:24.000And then they do this stage thing where one puts on a helmet and the other guy puts on the gas mask.
01:38:28.000And they're actually laughing like 10 year olds in a elementary school fifth grade play.
01:38:35.000Now that's because these are journalists being forced to be actors.
01:38:41.000And then I remember in 2000 it came out, even the Washington Post, which is the pot calling the kettle black, and World Net Daily as well, reporting that CNN admittedly has CIA writing the news.
01:39:12.000But the reason I'm going to play this is you see this today and it's ridiculous, but I remember Seeing them reerit the fear.
01:39:23.000I don't know if it was live or not, but I remember seeing them, oh my god, it's so scary, they're putting gas masks on, and this was big news.
01:39:30.000I'm sure you all remember it as well, if you were, you know, old enough to remember it at the time.
01:39:35.000Eighteen years ago, because it was, my god, the missiles are coming in, they're scared, they've got masks on.
01:39:42.000Because we didn't know to not trust the media then.
01:39:46.000Now it's Anderson Cooper, glowing screens, high def, totally slick.
01:40:09.000He's doing duck imitations of Donald Duck and screwing around and smoking cigarettes and laughing and playing with the ponytails of cameramen.
01:40:17.000And then five minutes later, oh my gosh, we're being hit!
01:40:46.000Yeah, the whole thing is everyone assumed that the threat would be over because it was early morning, but the thing about Saddam Hussein is that he has never done the expected and right now we have... Alright, hit pause.
01:40:57.000Once again... Now this is what actually aired on CNN.
01:41:01.000The footage you're seeing, and for radio listeners, it's a split screen, the woman in CNN Center Atlanta next to the reporter Charles Jaco.
01:41:15.000And they got fake palm trees, they got a blue screen behind him so they can project, you know, city, the image of the city behind him during daytime shots.
01:43:07.000Apparently there was some word of outgoing.
01:43:12.000Again, we cannot be specific about the direction.
01:43:17.000All right, we are now led to understand that there are also firings in another city in Saudi Arabia.
01:43:22.000CNN's Carl Rochelle is here with me, just came up.
01:43:26.000Carl, I know we can't be very specific given these restrictions, but within those parameters, what did you see?
01:43:31.000Well, what I saw, I didn't see anything hit.
01:43:33.000I looked at all those soda bottles, and there was a vapor trail coming from... Now they've got fake alarms going in the soundstage.
01:43:42.000And now he's gonna, they're gonna tell him, okay, put your gas mask on.
01:43:47.000And then he gets the orders that you can't hear, and then does the staged freakout in a minute.
01:43:54.000One guy puts a helmet on, the other a mask.
01:43:57.000I mean, this is Laurel and Hardy level.
01:43:59.000Now it's all glistening, scientific, perfect outfits, reading off teleprompters, videos in the background to distract you, switch you into subconscious mode.
01:44:12.000And we admit we're now doing that to try to deprogram people and actually reach through the programming to people in their subconscious state.
01:44:18.000All of this stuff is not for people that are conscious.
01:46:43.000The Saudi military says there were two incoming Scud missiles intercepted by Patriot missiles arcing into the night sky over the Saudi capital.
01:46:52.000However, after the intercepts, eyewitnesses reported some graffiti on it.
01:49:05.000What I want somebody to find, because I know we have this, I know it aired on PBS in Austin, because I taped it, later played clips on my local access show, but it wasn't a national PBS show, it aired here and there, with Dan Rather doing fake bombing raids and fake drills about what Saddam was going to do.
01:49:23.000It's even worse than what we just showed you.
01:49:26.000Now, that in mind, think about how slick CNN is now.
01:49:34.000Now look at how slick it is and all the distractions and all the high-tech look, and that's nothing.
01:49:40.000You watch shows like Anderson Cooper, you watch The Situation Room, I mean, it's glistening, monitors, 3D, just everything to make it look credible.
01:49:50.000And instead of using corny journalists to pose as actors, they now have slick actors posing as journalists.
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01:54:46.000And the ads are all about police pulling you over, and the guy's got a motorcycle helmet full of beer, and everybody's guilty, and... I mean, it's just, uh...
01:54:58.000It's all about training you how to be a slave and how the government cares and they do all this because they care.
01:55:07.000Now, this book, this government textbook by the White House Science Czar calls for a planetary federation, a planetary government to carry out the orderly extermination of a population and a zero population growth minimum.
01:55:21.000And then it turns out the very same people involved in this were involved in writing movies like Zero Population Growth.
01:55:30.000My fellow citizens, it is with a heavy heart that I bring you the findings of the Council.
01:55:38.000After deliberating in continuous session for the last four months in unceasing effort to find a solution to the devastating problem of overpopulation threatening to destroy what remains of our planet, the World Federation Council has considered and rejected all halfway measures advanced by the various regional scientific congresses.
01:56:01.000We have also rejected proposals for selective euthanasia and mass sterilization.
01:56:08.000Knowing the sacrifices that our decision will entail, the World Council has nevertheless reached a unanimous decision.
01:56:16.000We join with all other nations of the world in the following edict.
01:58:59.000Hello friends, this is Alex Jones, and I want each of you to ask yourself this question.
01:59:03.000Do you really know what's in your tap water?
01:59:05.000In a recent study conducted by a major environmental auditor, they found that over 260 chemicals and pollutants are present in municipal drinking water.
01:59:14.000Many of these chemicals are directly linked to cancer, reproductive, immune, and developmental system diseases.
01:59:19.000Now, what are you going to do about it?