Alex Jones answers your calls about the government wanting everyone to take the flu shot. Also, a call from a man who thinks the government is planning a Martial Law Takeover in the form of a nuclear attack on the United States.
00:00:12.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:16.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:21.000Look, we've had a lot of great calls dealing with the flu and medical workers being told they're being told they've got to take it, there's no law, it's just made up.
00:00:31.000I got a guest coming on for about 30 minutes and I'm going to continue with your calls.
00:00:35.000But I want to cycle through the calls and get people to call in who see NLE09 martial law takeover drill going on.
00:00:42.000That's not me saying that, FEMA says that.
00:00:46.000troops in FEMA and local police in a federalization drill which practices federalizing everything and then bringing the federal government under international control.
00:00:56.000And everything's been building towards martial law for a long time.
00:02:06.000Yes, look, they're not going to be able to get everybody vaccinated this time.
00:02:09.000They try each time to set up the federal bureaucracy, not just here but worldwide, to force everybody onto this, to set the precedent, kind of as just a background idea that it's the law that you've got to take shots.
00:02:24.000And so they force police, medical workers, firemen.
00:02:28.000And most say no, most departments wake up and say no.
00:02:31.000Some departments have particularly cowardly, dumb people in them and weak-minded police chiefs and they accept, or weak-minded hospital heads.
00:02:38.000The last straw was when Tommy Thompson wouldn't even take the shot.
00:02:41.000He was saying, it's the law, you gotta take it.
00:04:08.000Just keep waking people up, keep getting involved, keep spreading the word.
00:04:11.000I mean, look, we've gone from 5, 10, 15 percent listening to us 10 years ago, to the media's almost panicking, going, everybody's a conspiracy theorist now!
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00:07:59.000For other associates of C Street, the secretive ministry and living quarters for several members of Congress, at which Governor Sanford and Senator John Enson of Nevada both received some sort of counseling during their extramarital affairs.
00:08:14.000A number of other C-Street affiliates are now going on the record about the shadowy organization, mainly to defend its secrecy.
00:08:22.000Senator Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma telling Roll Call newspaper, quote, It's a great place, and vowing to continue holding foreign policy meetings with African ambassadors at the C Street House.
00:08:34.000Former Ohio Congressman Tony Hall tells Politico.com the prayer breakfasts he attended at C Street were, quote, probably some of the best moments I had during the week, precisely because we closed the doors.
00:08:47.000Sea Street is also in the news anew because of something that happened on the House floor last week.
00:08:53.000A member of Congress, one with ties to Sea Street, argued against public funding for abortion services by saying that if there were public funding for abortion, Barack Obama might have been aborted as a fetus.
00:09:10.000If you think of it in human terms, There is a financial incentive that will be put in place, paid for by tax dollars, that will encourage women who are single parents, living below the poverty level, to have the opportunity for a free abortion.
00:09:28.000If you take that scenario and apply it to many of the great minds we have today, who would we have been deprived of?
00:09:36.000Our President grew up in those similar circumstances.
00:09:40.000If that financial incentive was in place, is it possible that his mother may have taken advantage of it?
00:10:29.000Here in the last two hours of the radio show today, we're simulcasting at PrisonPlanet.tv in living color.
00:10:36.000I want to thank all the PrisonPlanet.tv members for joining us and all the AM and FM shortwave satellite internet listeners as well and the folks listening to the free podcast later at InfoWars.com.
00:10:48.000Jeff Charlotte, I've seen him on a lot of National TV programs and I read an article he wrote the New York Times He is a New York Times best-selling author of the family the secret fundamentalism at the heart of American power Actually saw an article about him in the New York Times and a contributing editor to Harper's and Rolling Stone has been writing about the intersection of religion politics and culture for more than a decade and
00:11:13.000His writing on religion has earned him praise from writers, and it goes on from there.
00:11:19.000His new book is The Family, and we've got that up on screen for everybody.
00:11:24.000The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power.
00:11:28.000He's here with us for most of the hour, then wide open phones coming up at the end of the hour, and in the fourth hour, covering the flu hype and NLEO-9, martial law drills going on.
00:12:47.000I was traveling around the country and spending time with unusual religious communities and a friend of mine worried that her brother had joined a cult.
00:13:01.000I've known him for 12 years and, frankly, he's always been kind of a jerk.
00:13:05.000Um, but he, he had really turned his life around, uh, despite the fact he left his career, left his, uh, relationship to move to Washington and be of service to powerful people.
00:13:15.000And he said, look, you won't understand it unless you see it.
00:13:18.000And you can't get in unless you're invited.
00:13:21.000And he said, there are no applications, there's just the family.
00:13:24.000So that sounded interesting to me, not as a believer, but just as a person who's interested about the variety of the religious experience, you might say.
00:13:34.000So I went down and spent about a month living with these guys.
00:13:37.000And I didn't know it was political at first, but then we had a visit from Senator Jesse Helms.
00:13:44.000I mean, this doesn't sound, and I'm not defending the group, because I don't even know enough about it to even get its name right, but C Street, the family, C Street's the name, and obviously the house.
00:14:22.000So because I was invited by this guy, that made me sort of okay.
00:14:27.000And I think they were actually interested in the fact uh... that i would try to write it because they saw me as an influence as someone who in uh... help spread the message today but i had me into the house i've really wrote about the harper's magazine they were sent out there being skeptical that all went through fact checking legal review never been disputed lived with these guys for a month okay but i mean they're pretty confident then about the way they operate the way they work to let a prominent journalist into their midst though i wouldn't say it was prominent at that point
00:14:57.000but uh... uh... you know they've been around for seventy years They do believe in secrecy.
00:15:00.000The leader of the group Doug Coe says the more invisible you can make your organization, the more influence it will have.
00:15:06.000Okay, so you did infiltrate to a certain level, so this is cultish then.
00:15:14.000I mean, uh, you know, there's a cult of personality around this guy Doug Coe, whom they sometimes call First Brother.
00:15:20.000They say he has a special relationship with God, unparalleled by anyone else in the world.
00:15:25.000Uh, and that, uh, also that the Inner Circle members, and here's where it gets really creepy when we're talking about Senator N. Finn and Governor Stanford, guys linked to the group, The inner circle members are not bound by the same morality that applies to the rest of us.
00:15:38.000The morality is a human construct and God has a different story ready for these powerful men.
00:15:45.000Now is this the same group that Ashcroft's part of?
00:15:47.000Because I saw articles like four or five years ago about and did some research about Ashcroft part of a house he lived at and other people that were members.
00:15:55.000I mean is this the only group like this or are you aware of others?
00:16:58.000Okay, well I know I'm throwing a lot of points in here because over the years I've done research here and there but you forget a lot more than you can actually comprehend.
00:17:07.000But I know there's all these weird secretive groups Did you ever run into any connections in this group with Masons, Masonic groups, or with Opus Dei Catholic groups, or with the CNP, Council on National Policy?
00:17:25.000There's a lot of overlap with the CNP, guys like Ed Meese and various members like that.
00:17:31.000But one of the most interesting connections I did find was Opus Dei.
00:17:34.000And you might almost describe the family as kind of a Protestant Opus Dei, but they lack even the integrity of Opus Dei.
00:17:41.000But they originally, when they started in the archives, they were very interested in working in Spain, the international work around the world.
00:17:48.000The dictator for a long time, they were named Franco, and he was not interested in working in Protestant groups around until they made contact with the government Opus Dei members and then started building up a network of alliances.
00:18:03.000From our research, I got to spend a lot of time with Senator Sam Roundback of Kansas, who has the unique distinction of being a member of the family and an associate of Opus Dei.
00:18:11.000He converted to a very strange kind of Catholicism through Opus Dei's chapel, which, appropriately enough, actually is on K Street in Washington.
00:18:21.000Okay, see those are the questions I haven't seen asked on television.
00:18:24.000I've read your articles over the years and haven't read your book yet, though we just got it.
00:18:28.000And so I've got a piece here, a piece there, and I'm trying to delve more into the architecture of left-wing and right-wing groups.
00:18:35.000Did you ever run into any connections to Bohemian Grove?
00:18:38.000Because a lot of, quote, Christian conservatives that have these big public personas as Christian conservatives also go to the Grove that Richard Nixon described as a homosexual orgy.
00:18:50.000I don't know about that part, but Doug Coe certainly is a long-time, Doug Coe, the leader of the group, is a long-time attendee.
00:18:58.000And, you know, certainly we're talking about here, you know, guys like Ed Meese, Senator, former Attorney General Ashcroft, Senator Enston, we're talking about the power elite.
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00:24:36.000Going back to the author of The Family, Jeff Charlotte, and this is just a bottomless pit of weirdness, but he's a great journalist, writes for Harper's.
00:26:41.000And fascism, fascism looks pretty good, but they didn't like Hitler, they didn't like Mussolini, so they said, what we're going to do is totalitarianism for Christ, which is sort of missing the point of the Christian message, but that was their approach.
00:26:53.000And they started recruiting a lot of American fascist sympathizers, and over the years, when they go and make alliances with foreign dictators, they look for guys who exemplify that model.
00:27:05.000Doug Coe, the leader of the group, He likes to say to Congress, who were the three men in the 20th century who best understood the message of the New Testament?
00:27:12.000And maybe you say something like Dietrich Bonhoeffer or Martin Luther King, or maybe you're more conservative than you say Billy Graham.
00:27:22.000And he says what they understood is that the New Testament, and this is their reading, It's not about love or mercy or injustice or forgiveness.
00:27:33.000So you want to model yourself on power.
00:27:36.000Another sermon you can find actually online on the website of the Navigators, a Christian right group.
00:27:41.000They have an audio sermon of code saying, you know how Jesus said, You've got to put me before your mother, father, brother, sister, because, well, Hitler, Mao, that's what they taught the kids, direct quote.
00:27:52.000Mao even had the kids killing their parents, but it wasn't murder, Steve, because it was for building the new nation, the new kingdom.
00:27:58.000My God, this guy, hold on, I mean, this is incredible, and you were there, this is published, it's in your book, and I'm familiar with the fake right-wing Chicago School of Business, all of this, Milton Friedman, you know, the same social... Oh yeah, the Straussians, there's a real overlap with those guys, because those guys are all going on this premise of what Plato called the noble lies.
00:28:21.000The idea that regular folks can't handle the truth and some of each need to make decisions for it.
00:28:59.000She's what they call a friend of the group.
00:29:01.000They're very careful about those distinctions.
00:29:04.000She says of Doug Pell, this man I was just quoting, this language right here by his mouth, she says he's a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide.
00:29:10.000She says she turned to him when she first came to Washington in 1994.
00:29:14.000Who am I talking about but none other than Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
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00:33:46.000But Mattel was making it a left-right thing about how these guys are all cheating on their wives and how they're hypocrites.
00:33:53.000And I was like, I've read his articles and other articles about this group, how it's all Machiavellian and the end justifies the means and dictators and strongmen.
00:34:01.000And I go, man, that fits into Chicago school and the neocons and, you know, this whole sick philosophy.
00:34:12.000That the Globalist is kind of used to get well-meaning men to do evil things.
00:34:17.000The higher-up psychopaths are using it as a control system, and it's one of many groups.
00:34:22.000But certainly, then as he made the connections to even more powerful organizations, and I guess there is something to this, you know, I don't get too obsessed on this group or that group.
00:34:32.000I've found if it's CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove, Then it's every other group.
00:34:39.000The leadership of these groups are the leadership of all the other groups.
00:34:43.000And so it's kind of an interlocking directorate.
00:34:45.000But I'll be honest, now that I heard him roll with info I'd never heard him say on the shows because they always compartmentalize it, it made all these connections because you've got Other secretive right-wing groups, like the CMP, and I've had guests on over the years that mention that.
00:35:02.000I thought of it more as a right-wing think tank that were globalists, but it also had some anti-globalists in it, like the Hunt brothers, so that confused me.
00:35:11.000And I don't think anything's the top of the pyramid.
00:35:14.000I think at the top of the pyramid, it's all these groups nexusing in.
00:35:18.000But then I didn't know there was a Opus Dei connection.
00:35:58.000Run through it all, give us the key information here, and bottom line, just from knowing what I know about separate groups that nexus in, this does sound pretty sinister.
00:36:12.000Yeah, I'm glad you're saying this, Alex, and I think you're exactly right.
00:36:14.000We never want to make the mistake of saying there's one group that controls it all.
00:36:18.000There's multiple power bases, and, you know, the point I'm trying to make here is that the family is one of the most influential power bases, and yet it hasn't been measured.
00:36:27.000A sociologist, a conservative sociologist, actually, has it happened down there in Texas at Rice University.
00:36:32.000There's a survey of 360 politicians in Washington asking them to name the religious group that is most influential.
00:36:46.000That's more votes than James Dawson's focus on the family, more than any other group.
00:36:50.000They named the family and what's crazy about this is the family denies that they exist.
00:36:55.000If you call up the leader of the group, as I had NBC News do last year, where I did a segment with them, and they said, oh no, there's nothing to see here, we don't exist, there's no group, it's just a group of friends.
00:37:05.000Fortunately, I've already shared with NBC News their tax records.
00:37:09.000There's 600 boxes of documents that show, I think, something that does indeed go beyond left and right.
00:37:17.000Again, I'll just repeat that saying that they have, we work with power where we can, build new power where we can't.
00:37:23.000What that means is, Unlike some right-wing groups that are just sort of extensions of the Republican Party, the family wants connections to Democrats as well.
00:37:32.000One is Senator Mark Pryor of Arkansas, a pro-war Democrat from Arkansas.
00:39:19.000Well, I mean, you know, that's what, you know, when I said that the bottom line is the American empire, and that's what led them into alliances.
00:39:27.000You know, we were talking before the break about their role in sort of whitewashing the records of former Nazis.
00:39:33.000One was a guy named Hermann J. Abt, who was vice president of the German operation after the war, became known as the Wizard of the West German Miracle, a brilliant financier, until it was discovered Before he was Germany's banker, he was the man known as Hitler's banker.
00:39:49.000He, in fact, had to help spirit away untold amounts of German money to the Nazis to escape to South America.
00:39:57.000Oh my, so we have a Nazi connection with money coming over?
00:40:00.000Because we know the Bushes with Prescott have that connection.
00:40:06.000The head of their Swiss operation after the war was a banker named Alfred Herz.
00:40:10.000He used the family and its access to American politicians to come over and lobby for America to lay off all the money that, of course, they had stolen from the Swiss banks, had stolen from the Jews who had been killed, and the so-called Nazi gold.
00:40:28.000You know, we forget that there were actually early attempts to investigate that stuff, and Alfred Herz, working through Congressman Alexander Wiley from Wisconsin and others, was able to lobby successfully using this group's network.
00:41:47.000But one time I was at the C Street House, this is the house in Washington, where they're providing below-market housing for congressmen, Republicans and Democrats, by the way, this is a bipartisan thing.
00:41:56.000This is bipartisan power-lust, you might say.
00:41:59.000And I was there, and Doug Coe, the leader of the group, was counseling Congressman Todd Keyhart.
00:42:34.000Well, now, Pihar, listening to this, says, okay, yeah, I hear you talking about this abortion issue.
00:42:38.000You know, I sort of agree with you on that, and that's fine, but I want you to think bigger.
00:42:44.000What I want you to do is to think in terms of a covenant.
00:42:47.000They describe the covenant as something that men of power enter into secretly, privately, because of a publicly invisible but privately identifiable group of companions.
00:43:20.000But again, when you're saying all of this, I'm thinking about the Straussian economists and philosophers.
00:43:28.000I'm thinking about the Chicago school, the Rockefellers.
00:43:31.000The Rockefellers similarly funded other schools of thought.
00:43:35.000Do you ever run into Rockefeller foundations or Rockefeller money in all this?
00:43:40.000And there may be more, but in the early days of the family, you know, the Rockefeller Foundation, of course, has gone through a lot of different incarnations, you know.
00:43:47.000At one point, it was essentially almost a fund for CIA money, and that's been documented pretty well.
00:43:56.000In the early days, they were indeed giving the family, which was then known as International Christian Leadership, they changed their name every few years, they say, to avoid scrutiny, basically, But he gave some money to them to get started.
00:44:12.000I mean, you really see all the titans of American commerce.
00:44:14.000Well, you always have the Rockefellers.
00:44:16.000I mean, discovering cancer viruses, Rockefellers, setting up them.
00:44:20.000I mean, the whole system was set up by these people.
00:44:41.000I mean, this is almost maybe the comic section of the book, you know, because I've first written about this in Harper's, so in Chapter 9 of the book, The Family, I talk about some of the early reactions.
00:44:51.000One was the speaking engagement in Germany.
00:45:25.000But even one of the other responses was a phone call I get from one day, from a guy who's an executive for the oil company Triformer, a very big international company involved in this stuff.
00:46:09.000That's what this whole power trip's about.
00:46:12.000Yeah, you know, it was very well put to me by... I did an interview with someone from the Cato Institute, which is a very conservative think tank in Washington, and they really believe in free markets, and so I thought they weren't going to like the book, but they looked at it and said, these guys aren't talking about free markets.
00:46:37.000That's what Senator Anson, who we've been hearing about, Governor Stanford, those guys, Senator Coburn, they get together in a prayer cell.
00:46:47.000One man will say, you know, I have a message from Jesus.
00:46:49.000I think Jesus gave me a message for you.
00:46:51.000And in the case of Senator Anson and Coburn, the message seemed to be pay your minister some hush money to keep yourself out of the public eye.
00:47:00.000You know, the one thing that's really important about that whole scandal, and you mentioned talking about it on Mano, and so on, and folks on the sex scandal of the Republicans, the more important thing is that I don't care about their sex scandal.
00:47:37.000Last year, I did a segment with NBC Nightly News, uh, with Andrew Mitchell hosting, and we had Hillary Clinton talking about her involvement.
00:47:45.000We had There's a video of Doug Coe talking about the great leadership example of the fellowship that he tries to promote is like that one enjoyed by Hitler, Himmler, and Goering.
00:47:55.000And, you know, NBC thought they had the scoop of the campaign season, not a peep, because our American political press, they're religiously illiterate, they don't know the questions to ask.
00:48:06.000Yeah, but Hitler, I mean, Hitler was a freak.
00:48:10.000I mean, why this obsession with Hitler?
00:48:15.000It's the most extreme, I mean in some ways it's sort of, it is literally idiotic.
00:48:21.000At one point I asked someone, when I was living with her, I said, I find this very troubling.
00:48:27.000They said, well it's not his end that we're interested in, it's his methods.
00:48:31.000And you're just, you're just blown away by that.
00:48:34.000But even that, they... But somebody's behavior is the manifestation of who they are.
00:48:46.000They say, look, here's what Hitler did.
00:48:48.000Hitler got together with a little group of friends in the back of a Bavarian beer hall, and working together, just like you guys are going to work together, whether it's Senator Anson and Senator Coburn, or two younger guys in the group, just like you work together, look what they were able to do.
00:49:01.000They were able to take over the world.
00:49:08.000Well Hitler also, this is mainline history, was hired by German intelligence to set that group up to monitor people and then it got some British funding later from the King of England, Edward VIII, and so Hitler didn't just pop up out of a cabbage patch.
00:49:25.000Well, the important thing to recognize with these guys is that they're all sort of power-hungry political opportunists, and I think that's what you get with a family.
00:49:35.000You know, the thing about it is, look, a lot of the young guys I've lived with, even some of the congressmen I've spoken to, they get involved with the best of intentions.
00:49:43.000I'll even say that of Senator Brownback.
00:49:45.000Yeah, that's like congressmen going to, uh...
00:49:51.000The head of the Washington Times, Mr. Moon, a total cult, and they said, we didn't know that this was going to be a crowning ceremony as him as the Messiah.
00:50:01.000There they are, embarrassed, gulping as crowns are being put on his head.
00:50:05.000How does that individual tie into all this?
00:50:08.000You know, there's a big overlap there, but you had again a distinct power base.
00:50:14.000But there is that overlap, and that example that you gave, we didn't know.
00:51:24.000investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S.
00:51:30.000I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
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00:55:01.000And there's nothing Christian about John Ashcroft and his Patriot Act and the rest of it.
00:55:05.000There's nothing liberal about Barack Obama hiring nothing but K Street Boys now and swearing he never would.
00:55:12.000But I want to come back in this final five-minute segment in a few minutes to take two or three calls.
00:55:16.000But first, in the four or five minutes we have left in this segment, other key points you haven't told us about as you're giving us the dirt on these individuals?
00:55:27.000Well, you know, I think really the biggest point that we want to look at is how the family is acting like a lobby.
00:55:33.000They're not registered as a lobby, but they're paying for travel for congressmen to go overseas.
00:55:37.000Senator Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma went on at least 20 missionary trips to Africa who paid for it.
00:55:47.000In that case, he actually finagled it.
00:55:48.000He says he went on behalf of the family, promoting the political philosophy of Jesus as taught to him by Doug Provo.
00:55:54.000So it's a tax-exempt lobby on top of it?
00:56:07.000State Department didn't want him to meet with him, went there.
00:56:09.000He got Senator Colburn going to Lebanon.
00:56:11.000This is a country that's had civil war between Christians and Muslims for a long, long time.
00:56:16.000They do not need this kind of interference.
00:56:18.000Senator Coburn went there and he said, you know what, on his official form, paid for by the family by one of their foundations, the International Foundation, he says, I'm going to set up confidential Christian prayer cells in the Lebanese government, just like the one he used to help cover up the political affairs of Senator Enson.
00:56:35.000So this group is doing their stuff, and when we dig into their own history, we dig into their own archives, we don't have to accuse them or make any wild-eyed claims and so on, we see an absolutely bloody history.
00:56:46.000And how are you getting into their archives?
00:56:49.000They dump 600 boxes of unorganized papers in the Billy Graham Center archives.
00:56:54.000And I went there, I was one of the very first people to start poking around, and we're talking about budgets, memos, formal correspondence, even confidential government documents, a lot of stuff on congressional... Why is it at the Billy Graham Center?
00:57:16.000But Billy Graham did help them set up this annual ritual which has become sort of an annual lobbying festival called the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington.
00:57:44.000And by Jesus, of course, you just have to remember, they're not talking about anything you ever learned in Sunday school.
00:57:50.000They're talking about the idea of American empire.
00:57:53.000They're talking about the idea... They're talking about the Hitler Jesus.
00:57:57.000The Jesus of strength and power, rather than the one of love and forgiveness, yes.
00:58:03.000Well, look, obviously intelligence agencies love to use missionaries in groups like this, and as you said, the Rockefellers are deeply involved in that.
00:58:15.000So this is obviously just one more powerful group in all of this and I would imagine you would say even some of the people involved are doing so they believe for good reasons.
00:58:24.000I think that's what it's for is to co-opt well-meaning Christian men to kind of warp their sense for the end justifies the means to then go carry out really bad stuff.
00:58:35.000But we'll get your take on that in 70 seconds and take a couple phone calls.
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01:00:40.000We'll talk about some of that while he's on with us.
01:00:45.000The main reason he's on today, and we're very honored to have him, is that he has been very outspoken, thank God, against global warming being man-made.
01:00:57.000We've had a lot of climatologists and a lot of researchers and sunspot experts in all these different fields, and 37,000 of them sent letters a few months ago to the House of Representatives, and they wouldn't even let them testify.
01:01:14.000The media ignored them, and then they used a few thousand scientists on the UN payroll to say we've got to totally change our way of life.
01:01:23.000It's a national security issue, and astronaut Jack Schmidt has spoken out against that with his scientific training and PhD in geology from Harvard University.
01:01:34.000And all his other scientific research, and the bio goes on and on.
01:01:38.000And he reportedly took the famous photo of the marble, you know, blue marble of the Earth from the Moon.
01:01:44.000And so it's pretty neat to have him on.
01:01:45.000We're going to a break in a few minutes, but let's go ahead and introduce him.
01:01:48.000It's great to have you on, Mr. Schmidt.
01:01:50.000It's my pleasure and privilege to be with you today.
01:01:54.000I was flattered to learn that you've actually heard of the show before.
01:02:24.000Well, all the evidence is that there's a solar connection.
01:02:27.000The amplification mechanism has not been determined by observation as yet, but the observations that scientists, who you might call field scientists, the people who actually look at what nature is doing rather than trying to model it, those observations the people who actually look at what nature is doing rather than trying to model it, those observations clearly indicate, in my mind and I think in thousands of other minds,
01:02:59.000Now, how small variations in solar irradiance are amplified into significant changes in ocean temperature, significant changes in atmospheric temperature, global cloud cover, and the like, is still, I would global cloud cover, and the like, is still, I would have to say, in the realm of hypotheses rather than theory.
01:03:23.000However, there's a very good hypothesis, and that is that It's the solar magnetic fields that vary with solar irradiance that are really determining the flux of cosmic rays into the atmosphere and therefore the amount of clouds that form.
01:03:42.000Yeah, they form when they interact with molecules of oxygen and nitrogen in the Earth's atmosphere, you develop charged particles that then attract water vapor and become the nucleus for cloud formation.
01:04:01.000And when the sun is relatively inactive, for example, like it is right now, then the magnetic fields that protect us from cosmic rays are depressed.
01:04:12.000And you get more cosmic ray interaction with the atmosphere, more clouds, and therefore the clouds reflect more sunlight, and you end up with a cooling trend.
01:04:21.000And we've had that, as most people in Yes, there's been a lot of record.
01:04:25.000here at least now realize we've had that for almost 10 years.
01:04:30.000You may have noted that there was a recent announcement that, I guess, that Al Gore's hometown in Tennessee has had its coldest year on record so far.
01:04:41.000But not just that, then the Al Gore people have been caught faking buoys and other weather stations, faking higher temperatures the last few years.
01:04:53.000Our guest is also the author of Return to the Moon.
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01:08:07.000Well, we're really lucky today for the rest of the hour to have Dr. Eric.
01:08:17.000Harrison Schmitt, Jack Schmitt, American geologist, former NASA astronaut, university professor and former U.S.
01:08:26.000Senator, and he also, of course, walked on the moon on Apollo 17.
01:08:32.000And don't worry, we're going to talk about that before he leaves us today, but the big crisis at hand is the hoax, the The manufactured crisis of global warming.
01:08:44.000And I have Club of Rome documents, all that.
01:08:47.000Where they admit this is just their pretext to turn us into the Soviet Union and micromanage the entire carbon cycle.
01:08:54.000But I guess a lot of people out there aren't biologists or aren't geologists and don't understand this, but he's here with us today to go over the science of that because he's bravely, because you get branded a heretic, come out against this hoax.
01:09:07.000And so, Dr. Smith, again, let's continue going into why you decided to go public and start talking about this whole carbon tax and the science behind supposed man-made global warming.
01:09:22.000Well, the primary reason that I and thousands of other observers of nature, if you will, I'm a field geologist, have become more active is our It's twofold.
01:09:37.000One is that we are concerned about the misuse of science, and particularly the misuse of modeling of a very complex system called climate that is so complex that it really can't be done.
01:09:53.000In fact, there are many people who are experts in modeling, astrophysicists and others, that have said the same thing.
01:10:04.000that the climate system is just too complex to model, and when you get into it, you find that the many assumptions that are made in order to just make what they call the physics work are just invalid, and any tests that you make against those models, against reality, have so far indicated the models are wrong.
01:10:28.000And so many of us just feel that although they're called climate scientists, they're not using science in the right way, and particularly modeling science in the right way.
01:10:36.000Models are very helpful in providing insights, but you should not...
01:10:41.000Based predictions of the future on these extremely complex models that are filled with assumptions.
01:10:47.000So that, number one, we've been concerned about the misuse of science.
01:10:53.000But I think more fundamentally, this misuse of science has led to politicians and ideologues to try to gain control of the American economy.
01:11:10.000And indeed, the global economy, by scaring people.
01:11:15.000Now, the science is quite clear that there has been, since 1660, about a half a degree warming every hundred years.
01:11:25.000That is a natural cycle that represents the Earth coming out of what was called the Little Ice Age, an extremely cold period for the Earth, back in the Beginning about 1400.
01:11:42.000That, if you want to read some of the history of the American Revolutionary War, you will realize, like the book Sam Adams by McCullough, you realize how damn cold it was back then.
01:11:57.000And that was partly, we were just moving out of the Little Ice Age, very slowly, and it was still very cold.
01:12:05.000And so the natural warming is clearly happening, But there is absolutely no evidence, no observational evidence whatsoever that the increase in carbon dioxide that has been measured in the last 50 years has had anything to do with that.
01:12:24.000Primarily because the warming started before the Industrial Revolution ever began.
01:12:30.000Now, where is that carbon dioxide coming from?
01:12:33.000Well, it's probably coming mostly out of the oceans.
01:12:36.000Because the oceans are getting warmer.
01:12:39.000There's a lag in that process of the oceans giving up carbon dioxide as they warm, but nevertheless, and it can be a lag of a few centuries, but nevertheless, that's probably where most of that rise in CO2 is coming from.
01:12:54.000Well, we're talking to Harrison Smith, Dr. Harrison Smith, Jack Smith, one of the Apollo astronauts, walked to the moon, took the most famous photo, one of the most famous photos ever of the of the moon and the little blue marble out there.
01:13:06.000We're going to talk about that later, but you're a doctor in this.
01:13:10.000I'm just one who studies it and interviews scientists and people.
01:13:14.000But Al Gore got caught, according to all the ice core samples and people that I've interviewed and seen on television.
01:13:20.000He put the two, the carbon dioxide going up with the warming, when really the carbon dioxide comes after the warming, as you just said, that's from all the governments, all the universities, all the ocean studies, ice cores, correct?
01:13:33.000So that's more cooking the books, and then they've also caught some of the top global warming supporters, accidentally, and I put that in quotes, having false data from their weather stations and buoys jacking up numbers.
01:13:50.000So, I just don't see how they say it's an open and shut case when the majority of scientists polled out there say that it's completely natural and that man-made global warming is a fraud.
01:14:03.000Well, it is being used fraudulently, there's no question about it.
01:14:10.000And it's being used for political purposes and hopefully the American people have started to realize that.
01:14:17.000Certainly there are surveys that indicate that the The common sense of the American people on climate change is starting to take hold as it apparently is on health care revisions and the so-called stimulus package where there is a concerted effort in the new administration and the Congress that's supporting them and what one might call the state-run media
01:14:42.000to support them to move this country in directions that increase government control of just about every major facet of our lives.
01:15:27.000Liberty is definitely threatened in this current political environment, and all of us who believe in liberty are going to have to begin to take steps to counter it.
01:15:41.000And it's encouraging to see the governors and the legislatures of a few states starting to push back in terms of gaining a Uh, a founder's interpretation of the 10th Amendment, namely that amendment that leaves everything not enumerated in the Constitution, uh, to the authority of the private sector or the state.
01:16:05.000Uh, and so, uh, that, that is, I think, a very, very encouraging trend and I certainly hope that they'll continue in that direction to at least try to put the brakes on, uh, the legal brakes, the constitutional brakes on what's happening.
01:16:23.000That people are finally, you know, they've gone from 60-plus percent a few years ago believing man-made global warming was this big threat and we were all dead and carbon dioxide was deadly poison and would kill you in seconds, to now realizing that it is a fraud and a hoax and just a new tax.
01:16:40.000Now they've only got about 40% support and that's imploding quickly.
01:16:44.000But it seems like the federal government and, as you said, the state-controlled media, the big corporate media, They want this new tax, they want this control, and they don't care.
01:16:51.000It looks like they're going to just ram it through, maybe.
01:16:57.000There's a lot of resistance that's pushed back now, and the August recess should help us as the common sense of the American people is put forward to their representatives.
01:17:09.000And we'll just see how we come out of this particular period.
01:17:17.000I would not I don't necessarily blame it on it being corporate media, it's just media that's in the tank for this change, socialistic change in our political system.
01:17:29.000And it's because just about everybody in the media now, reporters, analysts and otherwise, have come out of an elementary, secondary and college education.
01:17:45.000That has been dominated by people who have less respect for liberty than you and I. Well, yes, sir.
01:17:52.000Again, we're talking to astronaut, Apollo astronaut, Dr. Schmidt.
01:17:57.000My point was Rex Tillis and ExxonMobil said, look, we've looked at this.
01:18:06.000And then David Rockefeller, the majority owner at a board meeting, this was in the news, said, you're going to Come out and say it's real.
01:18:13.000And so even Rex Tillerson came out and said, OK, it's real.
01:18:16.000So when you see the NFL and every other big organization pushing it, when in the American Football League is the National Football League is pushing it.
01:18:39.000Well, it has certain characteristics of a religion in that there's a great amount of faith that the climate modelers have the right answer.
01:18:54.000But it is also, I think, related to a much longer-term ideological battle.
01:19:02.000It's been going on far before climate change came along.
01:19:07.000It's an ideological battle of those that believe that you should maximize human liberty under certain guidelines, such as our Constitution.
01:19:23.000And those who feel that you should give up human liberty for a variety of their particular ideological reasons.
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01:24:08.000Ladies and gentlemen, I was having an amazing conversation just now with Dr. Schmidt, Apollo astronaut.
01:24:14.000We're going to get into all the space stuff in the next segment.
01:24:17.000And I brought up to him Ecoscience, Population, Resources and Environment by John P. Holdren, the White House Science czar, the guy that wants global warming taxes and to terraform the earth with particulate to save us.
01:24:40.000Sir, we were talking during the break, what do you liken this to?
01:24:44.000This saying, drug the water supply, sterilize the men and women.
01:24:47.000He says in this book, take all the children at birth, and raise them in communal commune buildings like Communist China tried, but it failed.
01:25:00.000They admit in this book they want to use global warming taxes as a cover for their communism.
01:25:07.000Well, I think that there are individuals, Poland apparently among them, and a very large number who have taken, shall we say, captured the environmental movement and turned shall we say, captured the environmental movement and turned it into what previously was considered a communist movement.
01:25:34.000and And that's just something that people of common sense are going to have to continue to counter and wake up enough so that they take control of their government again.
01:25:47.000It certainly is extremely important that the United States maintain itself as the beacon of liberty on this planet.
01:25:57.000There are all sorts of issues, space is included in that, where if we are not taking a leadership role in preserving liberty, then it will disappear.
01:26:10.000Because other nations have so far tolerated a continued attack on liberty that has been going on now certainly since the turn of this century.
01:26:24.000Well, Doctor, you're obviously very well-wet.
01:26:28.000The turn of the last century, since the 1900s.
01:26:32.000I mean, Doctor, you're obviously very well read on just the current news.
01:26:35.000I'm sure you've seen the announcements where they're saying, oh, we're going to have a new Bank of the World, you're going to pay your carbon taxes, a new world order.
01:26:46.000Al Gore called for a world government two weeks ago to, quote, administer the environmental movement.
01:26:52.000I mean, clearly, that's what Holdren says.
01:26:54.000He says a planetary government to micromanage and reduce our numbers by at least 80 percent What is your view on that?
01:27:04.000And when you were in government as a U.S.
01:27:06.000Senator, did you ever hear any talk like this?
01:27:09.000Or is this starting to gain steam now?
01:27:15.000You saw a little of it in my time in the Senate back in the late 70s and early 80s.
01:27:24.000Partisanship was beginning to really raise its ugly head more extensively than ever, at least in modern times.
01:27:33.000But it has clearly taken off in recent decades, I think primarily because of the capture of the government school system by the opponents of liberty.
01:27:53.000And that is, I think, the fundamental reason why we are today.
01:27:59.000Does that mean that common sense has totally disappeared from the American people due to the education and the elementary and secondary school system?
01:28:09.000I don't think so, because you still see, particularly in current surveys, a great deal of common sense reappearing.
01:28:18.000But on the other hand, that has to be sufficient to take back control of the government.
01:28:24.000We let ourselves be lulled A sweep in the last election cycle, the last two election cycles, until all of a sudden we have a president and a majority in both houses of Congress that think identically about these matters and are willing to try to force down our throats a further erosion of American liberty.
01:28:55.000Decimation of our government-run school system.
01:29:00.000I think the American people are showing human common sense and saying, hey, this isn't going to work.
01:29:08.000It never has and it won't work in the future and let's fix it.
01:29:12.000So we'll just have to continue to see if that common sense will prevail.
01:29:17.000Well, how obvious is it that all these other countries don't have to make carbon cuts?
01:29:21.000I mean, even if you believe in global warming and carbon dioxide is deadly, which is ridiculous, you know, trying to list it as a toxic waste.
01:29:29.000If we make the cuts, the businesses will just move to China and India and Mexico, and it'll boost carbon.
01:29:35.000I mean, it's just ridiculous any way you slice it.
01:29:38.000I want to get your take on that, Dr. Schmidt, Apollo astronaut on the other side, and we'll get into space technology.
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01:33:33.000He is the last of the Apollo astronauts to arrive and set foot on the moon.
01:33:36.000And he is also the first, and so far only, person to have walked on the moon, who has never been a member of the United States Armed Forces.
01:33:46.000Neil Armstrong left military service, and it just goes through some of that trivia.
01:33:49.000And he's got a book, Return to the Moon, that's up on Screen in the Human Settlement of Space, Return to the Moon, is the name of the book.
01:33:58.000You can find it on Amazon and bookstores everywhere.
01:34:00.000In fact, I've even seen it in the bookstore.
01:34:04.000But the point is, write a book, be sure, and get that.
01:34:09.000Just to modify one thing you said, I was the only non-military trained pilot.
01:34:18.000To go to the moon, but I did receive outstanding training from the United States Air Force in jet aircraft and the United States Navy in helicopters.
01:34:27.000So I feel like I sort of had the best of all worlds.
01:34:57.000The guys are about to box me in the nose in there.
01:35:01.000Yeah, Wikipedia won't let you publish.
01:35:03.000I've talked to scientists who've tried any material basically trying to debunk man-made global warming in just one case I found and It's just despicable because they're the first thing that comes up with almost any scientific inquiry.
01:35:34.000Now, I want to get a little bit more into the environmental moment and then into the moon and the time we have left with you and also health care, but dealing with Holdren's book and all these other books written by people that just cram the universities and academia and social planning.
01:35:51.000This talk about the world being overpopulated when the West is actually, as you know, has a huge decline in its actual indigenous numbers.
01:36:00.000And dealing with this whole eugenics movement, this whole idea of the super race, I can't think of anybody out there who would be the archetypal Superman if it isn't the astronauts.
01:36:14.000I mean, did they ever talk to you guys about this type of stuff?
01:36:18.000Senate, you said it seems to be building more steam now.
01:36:23.000Holdren and these guys are talking about Well, I'm concerned about any movement that might have legs to it, but I really think it is more visible now because the people who think this way have gained power.
01:36:50.000It does not mean that they are going to be supported by the vast majority of the American people.
01:36:57.000I just think you have to continue, as the founders did, to put your faith in the people and their common sense.
01:37:05.000Now, thanks to Talk Radio, they are getting some education that they would not have gotten otherwise.
01:37:13.000And it's up to you guys to expand your market.
01:37:17.000And to make sure that the American people overall begin to understand why their common sense is what they should rely on and not on what they're told by the national media, the state-run media, so to speak.
01:37:30.000Now, I think the whole trend really began with the fall of the Soviet Union, because the great champion of the opponents of liberty, namely communism, had to find some other place to go, and they basically went into the environmental movement.
01:37:54.000Now, that's not to say there aren't major and significant environmental issues, particularly at the local level, but they converted environmental activism to a political movement, and some would say a religious movement.
01:38:11.000Yeah, and really what these are is parasites.
01:38:14.000I mean, they want to organize our lives, they want to run our lives.
01:38:17.000I'll never forget back in the mid-nineties, they were stealing farmers' and ranchers' land in and around Austin in the name of environmentalism.
01:38:23.000They later built on it and sold it to themselves.
01:38:25.000They were just bank robbers, criminals.
01:38:27.000And I remember being in a meeting with these city council advisors, and I said, this isn't freedom.
01:38:32.000And they said, everything's a planned economy.
01:38:42.000Well, you have to do it by education, and by reminding the American people that their basic common sense instincts are correct.
01:38:51.000Their own private property is important, their incomes are important, and they should not transfer that to the government.
01:39:01.000Their first chance to express themselves politically is coming up in the next congressional election.
01:39:11.000You all and All of us have to try to mobilize the most massive turnout of people who reject this current approach and begin to turn it around and get back to what would be the basic fundamental principles of constitutional government that we were founded upon.
01:39:33.000Well, I noticed you mentioned the last few administrations being a problem, and so I'm glad you're recognizing, obviously, that both parties are run by these special interests.
01:39:44.000Why would big, wealthy interests want to collectivize things?
01:39:48.000Is that because it creates monopolies, allows them to shut down their competition?
01:39:51.000I mean, it's not just a bunch of hippies and communists running around that are doing this.
01:39:55.000They've got a lot of powerful friends.
01:39:59.000Well, there's no question there's a lot of Of money influence in this process.
01:40:08.000And I don't know what's motivating people who have basically been dependent on a free enterprise system to get where they are today.
01:40:17.000Now clearly, small business, medium-sized business, the kind of business that I'm involved in in various ways, they do not operate that way.
01:40:26.000But there are, particularly in the media, An entertainment world, major corporations who have bought into and believe that their future is going to be tied to, their economic future, tied to this approach to attacking liberty and to building a more socialistic approach to providing for the needs of the American people.
01:40:56.000That is a very dangerous trend, there's no question about it.
01:40:59.000It's made it even worse by the way we've allowed the Congress not only to become permanent fixtures, very few Congressmen and Senators, if they run for re-election, ever get defeated.
01:41:17.000And that's in large part because the federal election laws have been biased towards the incumbent.
01:41:26.000And now we've even seen that George Bush really made a major tactical error, but we've seen that the federal election law now permits an attack on political speech before each election by restricting independent but we've seen that the federal election law now permits an
01:41:46.000Well, Dr. Schmidt, Apollo astronaut, Apollo 18 astronaut, I'm sure you've probably seen the Cyber Bullying Act, and even that local newscast pushing it now, the press is that bad.
01:42:00.000The Hate Crimes Act, it now says if your speech causes someone to do something violent, even if you're not calling for violence, they're going to come arrest you.
01:42:11.000And now the FBI is fluttering around saying if somebody makes a comment on a message board that's yours, we may come after you for what they said.
01:42:19.000I mean, this is really happening to people I know.
01:42:24.000Well, that's why we've got to make a change of direction in the United States government, a drastic change.
01:42:31.000And as I say, the next election is the key turning point.
01:42:38.000The next two elections are particularly key.
01:42:42.000If the powers that are currently in Washington maintain their control through this next election, the next two elections, then I'm not sure how you turn it around.
01:42:54.000Okay, in the 16 minutes or so we have left with you, I want to shift gears now and get into the moon.
01:43:00.000Return to the Moon, it has that really great other headline here about colonizing.
01:43:06.000In fact, guys, put that up on screen for the TV viewers.
01:43:24.000The Moon is the nearest place in space where human beings can homestead.
01:43:31.000The resources are there to once settlements are established, the resources are there not only to support those settlements with the water and oxygen and food and other things that you need, independently of the Earth, but
01:43:50.000There is one resource that's there that allows for an economy that can, through the export of that resource, to the Earth.
01:44:02.000And that's a light isotope of helium called Helium-3, which is a nearly ideal fuel for fusion power generation.
01:44:10.000And so that's what the book is all about.
01:44:13.000It tries to put together, in a very, very broad way, Amazing.
01:44:30.000Now, just because your bio is so lengthy, in a nutshell, tell us about your career as a AAA astronaut, you know, lunar astronaut.
01:44:44.000Just in a nutshell, then I've got some questions.
01:44:47.000Well, my career started as a geologist, the son of a geologist actually, in southern New Mexico.
01:44:57.000Caltech trained and then a Harvard PhD.
01:45:01.000I did a lot of field work in Norway and Alaska.
01:45:04.000And when NASA and the National Academy of Sciences asked for volunteers for the first selection of scientist astronauts, I thought about 10 seconds and raised my hand.
01:45:15.000And figuring that if I didn't, I'd probably regret it.
01:45:21.000But while at Harvard, I became increasingly concerned about the direction that Harvard-trained so-called public servants were taking us, and figured that if I was that concerned, that sometime in my life I'd better think about getting into politics.
01:45:40.000That opportunity came after my astronaut career, I had essentially been completed.
01:45:47.000I was elected to the United States Senate.
01:45:49.000Spent six years there learning a great deal about how sausage is made.
01:45:55.000More than most people would like to know, I think.
01:46:00.000And then, in the middle of the depression of the recession of 1982, I lost my seat.
01:46:09.000Here in New Mexico and went into an accelerated learning experience in the private sector and free enterprise and business related activities.
01:46:23.000Well that's awesome and again the book is Return to the Moon available everywhere.
01:46:43.000My involvement in other missions was multifaceted.
01:46:48.000I was primarily responsible for setting up the lunar science and geological science training program for the pilot astronauts.
01:46:59.000I was responsible for overseeing for the astronaut office the development of various scientific experiments.
01:47:11.000And you also, as you said, discovered a lot of the most important rocks.
01:47:16.000Which mission put that laser up that the University of Texas contacts?
01:47:21.000It was actually deployed on the moon three different times.
01:47:26.000The first one by Apollo 11, as a matter of fact, 40 years ago, was a reflector.
01:47:36.000Uh, observatories now shoot that, those reflectors, the three of them, that were finally deployed, with laser beams, and have been able to, uh, very, very precisely determine... Distance.
01:47:50.000...from the Earth to the Moon, as well as the motions of the continent.
01:47:54.000All right, we're running down on time and you've agreed to come back on in the future on science issues.
01:47:58.000It's just amazing having you, but I will be broiled and skewered and drawn and quartered and hung and then tanned if I don't bring this up because we talk about hoaxes.
01:48:10.000We have this giant government hoax of global warming right now, clearly trying to get control.
01:48:17.000Before I ask this, I want to say I have a friend, Raymond Teague, who worked on the main mission control on repeated Apollos, ran RCA cameras, and then RCA cameras on Skylab.
01:48:27.000And I've known Raymond for 14 years, and he says the whole thing's real.
01:48:34.000You know, the whole nine yards, and I know he's the real deal.
01:48:37.000I have other people I know being here in Texas who worked on the mission, and they say, if there was any chicanery, then they were conning us too, and that's pretty darn hard to do.
01:48:45.000Forty years later, and I never really cover this issue, but I get calls every day, emails about it, TV shows everywhere.
01:48:52.000What is your take on the people more and more believing, I've seen polls as high as 30%, that aspects of the whole thing was faked?
01:49:04.000Well, I think in a serious vein that it is another reflection on the government-run school system.
01:49:14.000There are several generations now who have come through it that have had very little exposure to American history or world history in an objective way.
01:49:23.000And just right now you have a population that has not learned the complexities that had to be dealt with in order to put human beings on the moon.
01:49:37.000Also, you have people who just for their own enjoyment, I guess, like to talk about conspiracy.
01:49:50.000And then finally, unfortunately, a lot of people don't trust their government anymore.
01:49:55.000But in a way that I mean, that's a positive thing to not be totally trusting.
01:50:02.000I think a lot of it's so much government lying.
01:50:05.000People are so untrusting now, they don't even trust me on a lot of issues.
01:50:08.000I mean, people don't trust their neighbors.
01:50:10.000And society does seem to be degenerating a bit.
01:50:14.000My only issue is, that said, that I know people that worked on the mission who say it was absolutely real.
01:50:19.000And you can watch famous films of them in mission control.
01:50:22.000People I know, they're not making it up.
01:50:25.000For a conspiracy like that to work, you would have to have conned 450,000 Americans.
01:50:34.000That's how many worked on the program.
01:50:35.000That's how many worked, and you just couldn't do it.
01:50:37.000Look, people have to remember that there's still, when you have a population of the world as large as we have, a very, very micro percentage is still a significant number.
01:50:49.000And some of those people actually still believe the Earth is black.
01:50:53.000So if a few of them want to believe that we didn't go to the moon, let them.
01:50:57.000It's not an issue that comes up in my presentation.
01:51:04.000Some flat earthers saying I'm covering up the fact that it's it's some Atlantean conspiracy but but the reason I mean obviously you know this is this has been building I would imagine you get asked that sometimes because there are issues that make people question and so let me just throw a few of those out to you.
01:51:25.000I think there are more important things to talk about but just let me say that when I'm out talking to the public I do not get that question.
01:51:31.000I only get that question from talk show hosts.
01:51:38.000And so I think we ought to spend our time on more important issues.
01:51:42.000Okay, why haven't we been back to the moon in 40 years?
01:51:47.000Well, that's a really long topic, but the most immediate is that even though George W. Bush articulated a very good return to the moon and on beyond policy, neither his budget office or the Congress Properly funded that.
01:52:09.000Had it been properly funded, we would be well on our way as we speak.
01:52:14.000But in the absence of adequate funding, we have had to flip schedules in order to keep the program alive.
01:52:21.000Now you have an administration that, for all indications, is not going to pursue an aggressive role for the United States in deep space.
01:52:34.000And they're going to leave that to the Chinese Uh, potentially the Indians and the Japanese and maybe Europe.
01:52:41.000Uh, and that I think is an extraordinary mistake.
01:52:44.000It's as big a mistake in the long term as we could make, uh, relative to protecting liberty here on this planet.
01:52:51.000If you have non-democratic regimes, uh, dominant in deep space, dominant on the moon and elsewhere, then it's going to be very, very difficult to continue to protect liberty on this, uh, Sure.
01:53:03.000Have you heard of, I guess you were in the Senate around that time, Dr. Bob Bowman, who worked on some of the Star Wars program before it was declassified in the early 80s, and he's saying, and he's told me, he said, look Alex, not only is there a space program, but there's a lot of it you don't know about and I can't tell you about it, but he's mentioned a few things that have slipped out or been declassified, you know, the whole robotic program, and they admit that a lot of the shuttles have been military secret missions.
01:53:33.000There have been a few Air Force missions, or missions of the space shuttle in which there were some classified payloads, but you shouldn't have a lot.
01:53:46.000All the shuttle flights, with very few exceptions, have been purely civilian flights.
01:54:59.000The moon just dominates the eye, and the eye doesn't close down enough, doesn't close the iris enough to see the stars.
01:55:10.000Well, I know we've got advanced technologies, and I know the A-bomb and the hydrogen bomb and the superconducting super colliders are real, and I know that there are some Space plane programs, even if you say there aren't, Dr. Schmidt, that are going on.
01:55:26.000And so, that's why I believe in our potential, and I want to believe we went to the moon, and I believe you.
01:55:32.000You know, when you sit here, I mean, you sound very credible to me.
01:55:34.000I just, you say you don't get asses on the street.
01:55:36.000People are probably scared to ask you.
01:55:38.000I mean, I'm sure you've seen all over the news.
01:55:56.000Well, I mean, I know you're right about the global warming being a hoax, and I mean, there's government and corporations engaged in a hoax, so I think that's, I mean, how do we fix this crisis of confidence?
01:56:06.000Because it's even happening not just with the government, as you know, it's happening with people in business now.
01:57:58.000If they'd really give us a space program, some of us could live long enough to actually go to the moon.
01:58:03.000But pretty soon, they'll say the moon doesn't exist, and maybe it's made out of cheese.
01:58:07.000Let me tell you, Mr. Schmidt, Dr. Schmidt, Return to the Moon is the book.
01:58:11.000He's out there exposing global warming as the fraud it is, man-made global warming.
01:58:16.000Is there any websites to fire out, sir, or any other info?
01:58:19.000No, I think if people look at the book, Return to the Moon, Yeah, I'd like to have you back up in the next few months to just talk about the book itself and more about the moon.
01:58:34.000And thank you for entertaining those questions.
01:58:38.000Let me say bye to you here at the end.
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02:01:03.000I'd like to thank Gerald Salente for his ideas before you get there.
02:01:07.000And I want to thank you for everything.
02:01:08.000Of course, you're getting to speak with your guest, Wayne Paul, was a special treat for me, but I forgot.
02:01:14.000I forgot to mention that The most important person of that Paul family I spoke to was his granddaughter, who approached me on the UT campus.
02:01:24.000I was carrying one of his signs, as usual, and she, again, thanked me for campaigning for him, and she told me that she was, of course, delivered by him, and then said, and I'm his granddaughter.
02:01:34.000So I've actually, and I don't know, like you, I think that maybe she told Dr. Paul about it, and like you, maybe I helped.
02:01:50.000That's why COINTELPRO attack him and ask where's the campaign money and this and that when it's all under the Federal Election Commission public.
02:01:59.000COINTELPRO is now attacking We Are Change.
02:02:03.000It's just a name, an idea that I promoted up front and exploded worldwide because the name was good.
02:02:11.000And they're trying to attack the New York Chapter because openly on this show, you the listeners, raise money for German Tallis, who they ran the wheelchair into and set up and he was found not guilty.
02:02:53.000Can I just say a quote from Dr. Paul, his most recent American Free Press last paragraph?
02:02:59.000He said, "...public outcry against the bank value bailouts and the government power grab known as cap and trade brews.
02:03:04.000The spirit of liberty still lives, and part of the celebration of independence day should include a renewed determination to keep fighting a good fight for freedom." As long as the government continually seeks to take liberties away, patriots need to keep fighting.
02:03:17.000I hear you and I appreciate your call, Ronnie.
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02:09:44.000The mainstream media more than ever is taking notice of all the shocking predictions you've made the last three years that are unfortunately Coming true.
02:10:23.000We just heard Vice President Biden last week, a week and a half ago, say that no one, the truth is, We and everyone else misread the economy.
02:10:36.000Well, the truth is, either he's ignorant, and all of those PhDs and credentialed people in the White House are ignorant, or else they're so arrogant that they can only see outside the beltway, or they can't see outside the beltway and think that they're the only people who know anything, or else they're lying to us.
02:11:44.000We've lost 2.5 million jobs since Obama has become president.
02:11:50.000And at very best, if you're going to be generous, They've spent 20% of the stimulus package and created, at best, 150,000 new jobs.
02:12:02.000So when you extrapolate this forward, the best they can do is come up with about 700-750,000 new jobs over two and a half years, whereby they said they were going to create between 3.5 and 4 million jobs And to wit, we've already lost $7.2 million since this recession, quote, officially began.
02:12:29.000Gerald, I was looking at a USA Today Finance Gallup poll.
02:12:36.000And it showed how Obama got elected at an 83-84, depending on which one of the graphs.
02:12:42.000They've had several of these Gallup polls.
02:12:45.000And now he's dropped below 50s, but in some demographics below 50.
02:12:49.000That is a faster, steeper, further decline than the previous grand champion loser, the peanut farmer from Georgia.
02:13:05.000And so, the bigger the hype, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.
02:13:10.000People are finding out it was total betrayal, total crap.
02:13:15.000George Bush after Jimmy Carter and Obama is the third fastest to fall, but luckily a magic crises popped up.
02:13:23.000Nine months in to kind of boost Bush for a while, but minus a stage crises or provocation or war, Obama is a political dead duck and his entire agenda to seize America is failing.
02:13:38.000But does he have an ace up his sleeve?
02:13:40.000Is it the crisis is going to be so bad we all can only swim to the life raft of the federal government, even if it's a desert island, you know, covered with government zombies?
02:13:55.000I mean, if he's in total freefall, the worst in the last hundred years of polling with presidents, what does this mean?
02:14:03.000I think you're one of the most astute people out there talking about this in the way that you're talking about it.
02:14:08.000Because we saw the exact same things as well.
02:14:11.000In that, when you look at the free fall that he's had in the polls, and you compare it as to Carter, and then Bush was one percentage point higher, summer came, Bush was down in the dumps, people were making fun of him for taking a month-long vacation to Crawford, Texas, as the economy was sinking.
02:14:29.000Remember, we were just getting, we were just being hit by the dot-com bubble burst, and all of a sudden there was 9-11.
02:14:37.000So, these people come up with schemes undreamed of, or things can just happen.
02:14:43.000One of the things that we're watching very closely is that the Obama administration is held back in releasing budget projections that were supposed to come out within a week.
02:14:55.000And now they're going to come out with them after, after Congress takes its recess in August.
02:15:26.000They come up with schemes undreamed of.
02:15:29.000But the reality is, in the final sense, is that, as we've been saying, the world is going to call it the greatest depression.
02:15:39.000In America, it's going to be called Obamageddon.
02:15:43.000The schemes that they've come up with, these bailouts, buyouts, rescue packages, us owning corrupt companies like Citigroup and General Motors, I love it.
02:15:55.000General Motors, they brought back this guy, Lutz.
02:15:58.000Who is the Vice Chairman at General Motors?
02:16:01.000This is a genius, Alex, that came out in 2005, 2006, that said that anyone that thinks that high gasoline prices are gonna hurt the sales of SUVs doesn't know what they're talking about.
02:16:14.000This is a champion they brought back now.
02:16:16.000Look what's going on with the Goldman Sachs gang.
02:16:20.000I've said this, and I'll say it again, and I've said it before, and I'll repeat it over and over again.
02:17:37.000And how all the regulators were former Goldman Sachs.
02:17:40.000And he just said, no, it's no conflict of interest.
02:17:44.000We were talking before you came on live about the shockingness of actually watching $23.7 trillion stolen in 10 months, greater than the GDP times 2.
02:17:57.000I mean, I feel like I'm in a dream here, Gerald.
02:18:00.000Well, you know, we're writing now, we're writing the Autumn Trends Journal, and this is the way we began it.
02:18:06.000And we're writing back from the year 2012, we're looking to 2009.
02:18:12.000The greatest crime wave ever to hit America was sweeping across the nation.
02:18:16.000More lawless than the Wild West, better organized than gangland Chicago, a ruthless mob of financial bandits and political wise guys had taken control of the United States of America.
02:18:31.000Not a week went by without Wall Street and Washington committing world-class crimes.
02:18:38.000But all carried out under the cover of law.
02:18:41.000If perpetrated by individuals, it would have been called robbery, extortion, embezzlement, and fraud.
02:18:49.000And the perpetrators would have been indicted, hauled into court, and brought to justice.
02:18:54.000But because politicians and financiers were committing the crimes, it was just called legislation.
02:19:04.000Unbelievable, and it seems to be a bottomless pit.
02:19:07.000I mean, they're seizing the entire economy, manufacturing, the carbon tax.
02:19:16.000Well, here's the way we're looking at it.
02:19:18.000As you know, we keep repeating, and it's worth repeating because it doesn't seem to beat a lot of people in the head the right way, is that you can't print phantom money out of thin air, backed by nothing, producing practically nothing.
02:19:31.000We're now looking at the dollar taking another hit against the basket of currencies.
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02:20:31.000I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
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02:24:32.000Carol Salente going right back to you.
02:24:37.000Calls coming up in the next segment. - Say that we were When you say this is the greatest heist in history, I don't think people understand.
02:25:24.000And to pick up on the second part of what you were saying, and I was saying, was at first they went through this whole scheme of the money printing.
02:25:33.000Well that's going to run out, as we're seeing now, with the diving of the dollar and other currencies looking for, other countries looking for new reserve currency.
02:25:44.000So the next scheme is, to tax the people to death.
02:25:49.000And whether it's hassle taxes, again, current events form future trends.
02:26:37.000But yet we hear from Henry the Don Paulson at the last House Oversight meeting saying, quote, our response Our responses were not perfect, but I am confident that they were substantially correct and that they saved this country from great peril.
02:26:57.000Well, look at how this psychology works.
02:27:00.000They can rape, they can steal, they can steal trillions.
02:27:02.000They engineered the crisis on record, and then they're the savior.
02:27:06.000And if you don't give them what they want, they'll declare martial law as Paulson threatened last year.
02:27:12.000Now there's been articles in the news, as you know, Gerald, saying how good it was he threatened martial law and how he's above the law.
02:27:20.000and how the private federal reserve is above the law.
02:27:22.000You know, the president isn't, the Congress isn't, the courts aren't, but they are because they're the Eddie Haskell bankers.
02:27:30.000And they're more than that, as I said, they're the Wall Street mafia.
02:28:07.000And the people are either drug dealers, became, we've gone, we have gone from the home of the brave to what's happened to this country.
02:28:20.000That we have become so subservient and so federally dictated.
02:28:28.000We're free and we're not brave as a nation.
02:28:31.000You know, people can make fun of the French all they want, but boy, the French got it down.
02:28:36.000Look what happened when that company was trying to shaft the employees out of their severance pay.
02:28:43.000You know, they threatened to blow the place up and all the equipment in it.
02:28:47.000When they do boss snappings, these are the people that brought us off with their heads.
02:28:52.000They know what it's like to be living under the tyrannical government, where they say, let them eat bread, now it's give them some health care.
02:29:02.000Well, on top of this, when you look at the French, when they try to plant GMO crops there, the farmers just burn it down.
02:29:11.000And I don't know how Americans were always known as the quickest to stand up to tyranny.
02:29:16.000Now we're known worldwide as kind of the suckers.
02:29:21.000Well, I have to say, you know, you are what you eat, and look what this country leads, and look what they look like, and look what they've become.
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02:32:59.000Gerald Salente is our guest, and in his three short minutes, we're going right back to him.
02:33:19.000But, during the break, the last break, before last, about ten minutes ago, I called Ted up, the owner of Genesis and Miner's Resources, and I said, do you have any of that gold and silver left from when gold was 900 bucks an ounce?
02:33:39.000And when silver was a dollar less, and he said, yes, we're almost out of it, but we have the very tail end, so this is the last.
02:33:47.000Gold up over 40 plus dollars from that point, silver way up, and this is the very end of the Lakotas, the Franks, the Sovereigns, and some other coins Ted Anderson has right now until midnight tonight.
02:34:00.000Ted, that's as long as you can hold it, correct?
02:34:04.000The price on the internet has already gone up.
02:34:06.000If you go to our web offers, you'll find that the Lakotas are in the $19 range, where these are still sitting at that $18.17.
02:34:18.000The reason why I was able to put them up there is I had about 900 of them left in my inventory, although some of those are spoken for already, but I haven't received the checks from people.
02:34:27.000But I will hold it at that price, but then come tomorrow, it's like $19.17.
02:34:31.000I can't remember exactly what the number was.
02:34:55.000Both of those coins have gone up in price.
02:34:57.000I don't put them on our internet site, but they all are up in price because of the fact that gold was trading at $9.13 when I locked them in at this level.
02:35:07.000Currently right now, today's spot price of gold, the last time I've looked, was $9.5160.
02:35:11.000It's been as high as $9.590 already today.
02:35:16.000So, yeah, there's definitely... Yeah, and to simplify this, folks, for people to understand, you bought this gold and silver when the market two or three weeks ago was, in gold, almost $50 lower than it is now, and in silver over a dollar lower than it is now.
02:35:31.000So you're selling out of these stores you have.
02:35:49.000I can tell you right now, Alex, I placed an order today for 5,000 more Lakotas, and the price is much higher than what I'm offering right now.
02:38:15.000No, it's hard to tell, because as you well know, these markets are being highly manipulated.
02:38:21.000And around the world, people are bailing out of bucks, as we spoke about earlier.
02:38:26.000And they're looking for new reserve currency.
02:38:29.000I mentioned earlier that the Obama administration is holding out, coming out with their budget projections, waiting until the dead heat of summer.
02:38:38.000When everyone's in a vacation state of mind and Congress isn't there.
02:38:42.000So there can be some very earth-shaking developments that are going to rattle the dollar.
02:38:47.000So it could happen at any time, but always remember that the game is going to be manipulated because once the world wakes up to the idea that their fiat currencies aren't going to be worth The paper they're printed on is going to be a huge run to gold.
02:39:06.000Another very important aspect, there's only one member of the G20 out there that's really criticizing America for its stimulus recovery bailout and buyout package.
02:39:26.000These are the people, the Weimar Republic, they still have the people alive that told the stories of going to a supermarket with a wheelbarrow of money.
02:39:37.000And they know how it happened because they printed phantom money out of thin air based on nothing and producing practically nothing.
02:39:50.000But the bankers to kill hyperinflation aren't just loaning the money, so instead you have everything imploding while they print fiat to buy up real infrastructure.
02:40:01.000And then, from the experts we've talked to, I want to see if you agree with the general economist we've had on, that then later the hyperinflation comes as an added nightmare over a depression economy, the untold superstorm or perfect storm of hyper-stag inflation.
02:40:42.000You were saying the next big bubble is the college bubble.
02:40:46.000They're going into debt now for jobs that aren't even going to exist, and the commercial real estate, as you said on the show a year and a half ago, is starting to implode.
02:40:54.000They're saying that's the next big one.
02:40:58.000But going back to gold, because we've interviewed so many experts who are bullish or bearish on gold, but all of them acknowledge That everybody should be partially in gold and silver as a hedge against inflation, as an emergency parachute to just protect wealth, to make sure you've got something that can't be dissipated overnight like paper.
02:41:17.000But, that speculatively, it's also the biggest boon in speculative, because if the dollar does implode or other major currencies, they're all overprinting right now as you know, that's kind of their answer is global inflation, kind of at parity, that gold could go to $3,000, $4,000.
02:45:10.000Will they use something like this as the false flag to declare martial law and to take the people that were once the home of the free and the brave into federal dictate and to subservience?
02:45:28.000Yes, they could very well use something like that as a scare tactic.
02:45:34.000And look, I mean, Bush used the most effective one that I've seen in my lifetime with the war on terror.
02:45:43.000Absolutely, and then they've got the continuing imploding economy.
02:45:47.000I mean, people have to go to the government for help through that, and then now they're announcing he's breaking all his promises, he's going to raise health care taxes on everybody, and surtaxes and green taxes on everybody's electricity.
02:46:02.000Would you say Obama wins or is a contender for the crown of the biggest liar?
02:46:10.000Well, the thing that we put Obama in is the mass destruction of what was once the entrepreneurial empire into what Mussolini said, the merger of state and corporate powers into fascism, where government and major corporations are running the whole show again.
02:46:30.000You know, look at the people, look at the banks, look at the control.
02:47:01.000And this is not hyperbole, it's a fact.
02:47:04.000A fact based on the knowledge that we were, the United States of America, the most egalitarian nation on Earth.
02:47:14.000Respected and envied by everyone else on Earth.
02:47:19.000From the most egalitarian, when that model existed, Main Street, Mom and Pop, Family Farm, and Organic, we have now become the nation where the gap between the rich and the poor is the widest of any of the industrialized nations, and where we used to be number one in health care, in education, in longevity, in quality of life, when we lived by Main Street, Mom and Pop,
02:47:48.000family farms and organic, we no longer win, place, or show by any of those indices.
02:47:56.000Because we're mentally and spiritually poisoned, and the establishment knew that, and all of those big vertically integrated corporate structures are waging war against mom and pop and Main Street.
02:48:10.000And now they've got the animal ID, the premises ID, openly to shut down family farms and ranches, the Clean Water Restoration Act to federalize all the water.
02:48:18.000I mean, they're coming in as the economy implodes trying to pass the carbon tax, knowing it'll shut things down further.
02:48:25.000This is like the global mafia burning us out.
02:48:29.000So you're saying the revolution isn't just physical?
02:48:32.000It's going to be people not going to Walmart anymore, people planting their own gardens, people not doing what the local thugs and feds say, and people just getting back to basics?
02:49:50.000Goldman Sachs saying that, well, we earn this profits and we're distributing this money, these bonuses to our people because we're such brilliant traders.
02:50:13.000We're going to come back in the final segment and talk to Maria, Linda, and Randall.
02:50:17.000Quick comments, quick questions from those three callers, quick answers from Gerald Cilente, and I can't wait to have him back up again soon.
02:50:25.000But, Wendy, we've got 30 seconds before break.
02:50:27.000Gerald, when do you see physical confrontation, rioting beginning?
02:50:31.000You know, we may see riots this summer as the heat of the city streets becomes uncontrollable, as people can't find jobs and have no future.
02:50:41.000And then they're talking about, by next year, 25% unemployment?
02:50:47.000And when you look upon the minority groups, the people that have no education, and they're drugged out, you have a recipe for violence and disaster.
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02:54:00.000Gerald Salente, I want to jam in a few final calls here for you, but quickly I have this question.
02:54:07.000Can all the king's horses, all the king's men, all the police state grid they've set up, planning this bankruptcy all along, to bring in their new world order, is it going to be successful?
02:54:17.000Because even with all the Obama hype, it's not working.
02:54:21.000I mean, this looks like it's going to turn into a really bloody confrontation.
02:54:43.000No, so no, they're not going to be able to stop it.
02:54:46.000The only way they will be able to stop it is to continue to do what they're doing and that is to keep the people under federal dictate and to make them more subservient and the pressure that is going It's going to be bearing upon the people at every level, from parking meters to property taxes, from federal taxes to sin taxes.
02:55:32.000It's an honor to speak with both of you.
02:55:34.000I actually wanted to call in because I'm calling from Pomona, California and in the past two months the police activity here has gone from hearing them once maybe every other month to hearing them three times a day.
02:55:48.000I'm hearing the ambulance go off and the police everywhere.
02:55:52.000And I just want to know, if I'm living in a suburban area like this, I mean, how bad is it going to get while our city council... Yeah, that's something they're covering up, Gerald, obviously.
02:56:13.000There's going to be other states to follow.
02:56:14.000I mean, Michigan, around Detroit, it's a war zone.
02:56:17.000And you know, my saying as a Bronx boy is, when people lose everything and they have nothing left to lose, they lose it.
02:56:25.000We're going to see more of these home invasions.
02:56:27.000It's going to turn ugly over the years.
02:56:31.000So I'm a believer in Second Amendment rights, as are you, Alex, and that people need to learn self-protection because nobody's going to protect you.
02:56:40.000And as you also know, I'm a close combat practitioner, and John Perkins from attackproof.com has been my teacher for many, many years.
02:56:52.000So, people have to understand there will be no savior other than yourself.
02:57:38.000Last week, Bob Chapman was on and he stated that they would close the banks for a week and that they were going to open them up again and everything would be alright.
02:57:47.000I think he was too light-hearted on that.
03:00:40.000Just make sure I don't miss that when it comes.
03:00:41.000In fact, ballpark, when are we getting that article so we can post it, Manny?
03:00:45.000You're going to be getting that within the next couple of days.
03:00:47.000I'm still waiting to hear back from the prosecution team that asked me to email them about this evidence, which could very easily be found by simple internet searches.
03:01:20.000I brought up the fact that the Saudi, the case that the family members brought all the way to the Supreme Court, that the Supreme Court refused to listen to as of last week.
03:01:33.0007,000 family members with the evidence against Saudi Arabia.
03:01:35.000I asked them how strong of a case they would have had if they had that evidence.
03:01:41.000I also said to them, 70% of our questions were never answered during the commission.
03:01:44.000Is this going to be another sham trial that the family members then have to go through and then expect to have some sort of justice?
03:01:52.000And I said to them this, I said, does anybody here really feel that it was only five people that did this?
03:01:59.000Alex, there had to be at least four or five times of silence, and that's why it's so important that the mission of nyccan.org is accomplished.
03:02:08.000Exactly, and we'll have you back on about that, but I want to continue in the limited time with this.
03:02:14.000Because talking to you over the phone, my producer said that you also said at one point they just said, look, be quiet, shut up.
03:02:23.000They were asking me where it came from.
03:02:25.000I was telling them this is AP Reuters sourced.
03:02:27.000I was telling them this comes from intelligence agencies.
03:02:29.000The Indian intelligence agency actually spoke about... Did you tell them about Stringman, the head of the visa in Saudi Arabia, and he's being told, let Adam and them in, they're CIA?
03:02:43.000That I didn't have an opportunity to, but this is something else that I can continue to correspond with him on.
03:02:47.000I'm going to tell you something real quick.
03:02:48.000I mean, this is on record that the hijackers were all trained at U.S.
03:02:52.000military bases in super high clearance.
03:03:08.000I actually, and I commented a few times to a few of my close friends about how the next night I was on a conference call with Candace Gorman.
03:03:18.000She is one of the defendants of three of the people that are being accused during the sham 9-11 trial that's taking place starting this week down in Guantanamo.
03:03:28.000I had an opportunity to ask questions there and I said, you know, what type of facts is the government bringing up and how do you feel you can successfully defend them?
03:03:36.000She goes, I know I can defend them because there are no facts they're bringing up.
03:03:54.000I got to understand a hell of a lot more about how this is going to take place.
03:03:58.000This is going to be something that the media is going to report on here and there, because they don't want us to critically think about what happened.
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03:08:34.000In the liberty and freedom movement, the anti-nuclear war movement.
03:08:37.000In fact, he's probably the greatest living person out there who continually, on a large scale, on a big platform, has made scores of films, presentations, best-selling books, creature from Jekyll Island, traveling the country, the world, fighting the globalists.
03:08:55.000And we stand on his shoulders today, but he also stands right beside us because he's still fighting more than ever.
03:09:02.000He's a great gentleman and very articulate.
03:09:05.000And I'm very excited that he's going to be interviewed in my newest Obama film.
03:09:10.000He is the last interview for this film that has 14 interviews right now.
03:09:16.000And one of them is a big surprise interview.
03:09:18.000I'm going to leave until right before it's released.
03:09:20.000But just so many great people in this film.
03:09:27.000And so, we're very excited about that.
03:09:29.000Also, Jason Burmese is going out there interviewing him.
03:09:33.000He's going to be in Burmese's film, Invisible Empire, with a big role in that, exposing kind of the architecture of the New World Order.
03:09:53.000We have the scans of it, and it's up on InfoWars.com.
03:09:56.000Obama's science advisor called for planetary regime to enforce totalitarian population control, implants to control us, CPS taking all children at birth, a planetary government of green police, forced drugging of the water,
03:10:13.000uh... and of the food and and and this is a government plan the book is as you see on screen at prison planet dot tv eco science population resources environment and uh... this was he co-wrote this with paul r who was one of bush's chief advisors so this is bipartisan Uh, but Front Page Magazine and the Neocons are acting like it's a liberal issue, though I have to admit the Democrats are more overtly eugenicists.
03:10:42.000You know, Margaret Sanger is praised by the black community because she called blacks subhuman.
03:10:49.000Crate like Schwarzenegger gets ADL awards because he says he wants to be like Hitler, but if you fight Hitler, then the ADL attacks you.
03:10:57.000Reality is much stranger than fiction, as they say.
03:11:00.000So I wanted to get G. Edward Griffin out of the gates to talk about this, but overall, the big eugenics agenda, the plan, the carbon tax, which we couldn't see until they passed it, home inspections, federal zoning, One child policies.
03:11:21.000stack that says that in fact put it on screen for folks that says that oh the bad economy is good for the carbon footprint command destruction how they want to bring us back to a rewilding a neo-feudalism, a serfdom G. Edward Griffin, author of The Creature from Jekyll Island thanks for being here with us well thanks for inviting me Alex I really appreciate that very kind introduction but it scares the heck out of me because I think people expect too much no brag just fact
03:12:37.000Okay, and we're going to fire up your website coming up in a few minutes, so folks, you get ready for that.
03:12:40.000You have Freedom Force International taking action against these globalists, but eugenics.
03:12:45.000I mean, in my research, everything leads to that.
03:12:47.000Our entire society is built for a social engineering grid.
03:12:51.000Break that down from your 60 years of research and what their endgame is in light of this government textbook, internal textbook.
03:12:59.000It's now come out, written by Bush's advisor and Obama's advisor, calling for a planetary government to kill us.
03:13:08.000Well, I had two thoughts as you were introducing the topic, and one of the thoughts is that even though I was not aware of this very latest development which you announced, it does not surprise me in the least because it's just more of the same.
03:13:23.000So the first thought has to do with, if you understand what the The ideology is of these people who have been running our government for many years.
03:13:34.000And if you understand what that entails, then you know right away what these people are going to do, because that's based upon their ideology.
03:13:42.000The ideology is that they must have total control over the entire population.
03:13:47.000to manipulating it in any way they see fit, always in the name of for the greater good or the greater number, always supposedly for your own good, but with absolute dominance at the top.
03:13:58.000And so once you understand that's their mindset and that they think that that's a very good thing, well, then you can predict what's going to happen.
03:14:05.000They're going to want to control not only your health, but your reproductive rights.
03:14:10.000They'll control who will survive and who will be exterminated.
03:14:14.000They'll control what you do for a living, where you live, how much you eat, what you think, you know, all of these things, because you become a cog in a giant machine.
03:14:24.000So, the first thought that crossed my mind was that, okay, well, here comes eugenics again.
03:14:30.000In every collectivist regime on this planet, whether it's communism or fascism and Nazism, or some of these other isms in Asia and Africa right now, that's part of the animal.
03:14:44.000The other thought is, you mentioned it, is that this is not a partisan issue at all.
03:14:49.000You'll find this mentality in both the Republican and the Democrat parties because both parties are dominated by collectivists.
03:14:56.000So, one of the things we have to do is strip out that concept that Republicans and Democrats oppose each other on anything significant.
03:15:05.000So, those are the thoughts that cross my mind.
03:15:07.000You know, once people get the picture of this, so they understand that collectivism is the great destroyer of their freedom, Then they won't fall for this nonsense about, well, are they Republicans or are they Democrats doing this?
03:15:22.000I want you to elaborate on this, because you have these big monopoly capitalists who always advertise their free market, but really what they want is big governments, big systems to shut down their competition and bring in control, and then because they are collectivists, they collect our wealth and give it to themselves, and then use the little bit they give back to us to domesticate us, then why should they even want us here?
03:15:46.000In their collectivist model of everything shared, well they want to get rid of people so there's more for the few that are left.
03:15:52.000This is their whole social engineering goal.
03:15:55.000Well, there is a certain element of that in their thinking.
03:15:58.000They do want to limit the population because they're afraid that if the population gets too large, it becomes unmanageable.
03:16:06.000Their primary concern is how to manage the population.
03:16:09.000Like a herd of cattle, if the herd gets too big, you know, you have trouble managing it.
03:16:15.000It could break out of the boundaries of the North 40 someplace.
03:16:19.000So there's a certain element to keep the size of the herd down.
03:16:23.000But the other element is that they need workers.
03:16:27.000They want people out there producing and serving so that they can create all of the fine things of life which the elite will enjoy.
03:16:36.000They want a working class and they want a servitude class.
03:17:12.000How would you say their program's going right now, watching it closely for 60 years?
03:17:16.000I mean, to me, watching it for 15 or so, it looks like they've got the power, they're steering things, but they don't have total control, and as they build their New World Order, it's falling apart as fast as they build it.
03:17:29.000Well, yes, I can see elements of that.
03:17:31.000It's certainly not all in the bag, that's for sure, but I see it as an accelerating process and it worries the heck out of me because once the dam starts to break, and it looks to me like it's breaking up now, the pieces falling out start Becoming larger and they start falling faster and so this great this great outpouring of water from behind the dam when I when I say that I'm thinking of our freedoms.
03:17:59.000Our freedoms are being flooded out through a huge breach in the dam and it seems to be going faster and faster and so I'm very concerned about that.
03:18:08.000We could come up with some event or series of events almost any day which they could justify.
03:18:15.000Or, you know, closing down at what's left of our freedoms.
03:18:18.000They're definitely planning to do that.
03:18:21.000It's just a question of when are they going to do it and what events are they going to use for that.
03:18:25.000But by the same token, as you say, it looks like their system is falling apart.
03:18:30.000There's certainly a lot of disagreement among them.
03:18:33.000There's a lot of infighting between them to see who is going to have the ultimate power But I guess that's part of it.
03:18:41.000They've got to destroy a lot of stuff to build the new system, where if they destroy everything, then only their central hubs are left, and so by extension, by the rule of heavenly bodies or gravitational pull, it will pull everything into it.
03:18:56.000Yeah, that's a perfect analogy, I think.
03:18:58.000And also, we have to remember that certain subgroups within the collectivist movement actually advocate conflict within their own ranks.
03:19:08.000Hitler was one of those who was quite adamant on that.
03:19:11.000He said, it's good that we fight within our ranks because only the strongest of us will survive, and we need only strong people in our movement.
03:19:19.000So there's a lot of that going on, too.
03:19:21.000And I think that kind of actually pigeonholes them and trips them up a lot.
03:19:33.000The point is, I think, to all of this is that we certainly cannot sit back and just wait for it to crumble because they've got plans for us that we're not going to like.
03:19:40.000We have to fight this with everything we have.
03:19:43.000Well, let's talk about what the plans are, versus our plans, and also how you see the economic collapse, engineered or not, what's happening with the global carbon tax, what life will be like under that.
03:19:54.000I mean, this is the actual Soviet Union is what I'd call it we're going into, but we'll get Jim Griffiths' take on that in just a moment.
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03:24:39.000Your take on the banking implosion, Federal Reserve to get power over all industry, the green taxes, the carbon taxes, home inspections, federal zoning where it says they can just take your house, no judge, no jury, that's in there?
03:24:52.000I mean, it looks like on every front, federalization of water, gun control, they're moving on every front right now.
03:26:16.000And they don't get it, that this has got nothing at all to do with partisan politics.
03:26:20.000So I think they're in a hurry so that too many of the American people don't wake up and get it all done.
03:26:26.000Continue along that line, J. Edward Griffin.
03:26:33.000Well, I don't know what more I could say about that, except that we're living in a time where events are moving very rapidly.
03:26:42.000I guess people have always said that throughout history, but also I think that it's true that because of technology, things do move more rapidly as the years go by.
03:26:55.000And I think the time that they figure to wrap up the New World Order is definitely within this generation.
03:27:03.000It used to be, I think, that they were thinking in terms of, well, two or three generations down the line, we'll get it all done.
03:27:09.000But now I think they've decided it's this generation, which means within this 20-year time span, probably less than that.
03:28:41.000A lot more effective means of controlling people, controlling their thoughts, controlling their health, their movement.
03:28:48.000And a lot more sophisticated weapons to put down opposition.
03:28:53.000Yeah, that's the high-tech overlay that makes it really scary.
03:28:56.000But, yes, back to the theme, which is, how long is it going to take?
03:29:00.000That's been one of the main points of Freedom Force International, is that we have the long view of history, and a lot of people get very impatient with that.
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03:34:27.000Alright, let's go ahead and go back to G. Edward Griffin.
03:34:30.000G. Edward, fire out the website for folks who want to check out all your great films and books and videos and materials and people who want to get involved in Freedom Force International.
03:34:43.000I guess it's time to plug a couple of websites.
03:34:47.000Our commercial website, as you know, it's called The Reality Zone, and that's easy to remember, realityzone.com.
03:34:55.000We've got about a hundred different items there, some of my books and video programs, audio recordings, plus we carry the good stuff from other people as well.
03:35:03.000But that's the commercial site, plenty of information.
03:35:06.000If you're a reader or you like to watch videos, there's enough there for almost a year of your time of study.
03:35:13.000But if you want to get involved in an organization that's trying to do something about it and trying to recapture control of our political system, then you want to go to the Freedom Force site.
03:35:28.000And I can't tell you too much about it because it takes too much time to tell you about it, except that there's a plan there to do something about it.
03:35:35.000To not just complain, not just to read another book, but to actually acquire, or reacquire I should say, reacquire power over the political system of all of the countries.
03:35:46.000We have to infiltrate the system like they've done to us.
03:35:51.000I wouldn't say infiltrate, that's got a negative connotation to it.
03:35:55.000We should be there all the time anyway.
03:35:58.000No, I agree, but I mean, they covertly infiltrated, and I think in a war, it's good to be overt, but if people choose to be covert, and we get sent a lot of secret documents, and I mean, that is infiltration.
03:36:10.000That's the American people re-infiltrating their own government.
03:36:13.000Well, I have to agree with the principle.
03:36:15.000We have to go back to where we should have been all along.
03:36:19.000When you've got self-government, you better be involved in government, not just turn it over to somebody else, because then it's not self-government anymore.
03:36:28.000The government that's out of control and illegitimate and owned by offshore banks publicly now, in fraud, they act like we are criminal infiltrators and we try to go to a city council meeting, or try to go hold a sign-up on the street corner.
03:36:39.000We all have to exercise that power or lose it.
03:36:56.000And I'm happy to say that our members all over the country are gradually getting the idea and they're successfully moving into political groups.
03:37:16.000Well, yeah, they might become mayors of cities, they may become members of city councils, they may become elected to state positions, they may become chiefs of police.
03:38:03.000You don't do bad things in life unless you're overall bad.
03:38:07.000And, you know, I say play hardball with them, too.
03:38:10.000Well, yeah, it is partly the nature of the beast of this thing we call government.
03:38:14.000We've allowed it to grow and grow and become more powerful.
03:38:18.000And whenever you've got a center of power like that, it's a magnet for the criminal class or the predator class.
03:38:27.000People who want to take advantage of others just instinctively gravitate to something like that.
03:38:33.000So part of our long-range strategy for success and victory that we were talking about is to dismantle that magnet so that it won't attract that criminal class anymore.
03:38:48.000Yeah, if there's not a big government, there's no power mass or levers for a psycho or control freak to get control of.
03:38:54.000If we build these giant government systems, they're going to be taken over by crooks if they weren't built by them to begin with.
03:39:01.000So, people haven't thought that all the way through.
03:39:04.000They think that the solution to corruption in government is to make government stronger.
03:39:09.000More investigations, more laws and so forth, and that's just the opposite of the solution.
03:39:14.000That structure should start to be dismantled and all of these tools that they have for controlling the lives of its citizens need to be just eliminated.
03:39:25.000And then citizens will automatically start killing snakes in their own backyards and calling the government to do it.
03:39:32.000And then citizens will start putting up their own fences and start learning how to defend themselves.
03:39:36.000And then the wealth and money and ideas go back into the free market.
03:39:41.000Instead of, I look at the general public, they're totally domesticated.
03:39:49.000He's domesticated compared to his dad.
03:39:51.000I mean, we really are becoming weaklings.
03:39:54.000Yeah, well that's been part of the strategy and it's interesting to me because over the years I've had a chance to study some of the more esoteric literature by these people.
03:40:04.000You know, the deep thinkers, the scholars on the collectivist side.
03:40:09.000You don't run into their names often, but they've written books, they've given speeches and lectures.
03:40:17.000And they wax eloquent about how wonderful it would be to domesticate the human race and breed out of them all of these aggressive instincts, as they say.
03:40:28.000And to convert the human animal into a productive and kind and gentle thing.
03:40:35.000And of course, they say if they have to kill a few million people along the way to do that, and torture a few, well, that's okay.
03:40:44.000It's pretty amazing how they justify these things.
03:40:47.000Well, the truth is, when you really meet these liberal collectivists, and they're not really liberal, but that's what they usually are hiding under that mantle.
03:40:54.000It's like, yes, we're going to have to kill a lot, and you see them kind of going, you know, just getting off on it.
03:40:59.000And the truth is, they're killer apes in their own view.
03:41:03.000They're just high-functioning psychos who act like they're these egalitarians, and really, they're just a bunch of lunatic control freaks that Yeah, I think they're certainly true.
03:41:27.000I found really intelligent, over-confident, nice, friendly people are gregarious, good-natured, don't want to get involved.
03:41:36.000We kind of just sit back and then there's these little, greedy, weak people who want to get in the power and then hate those of us that are strong.
03:41:44.000And I found that to be the secret to eugenics is they sell it to the strong As, oh, we're just going to make the strong and the healthy have more of the world, which is bad enough because it always leads to evil.
03:41:55.000But in truth, they're actually targeting the strong.
03:41:58.000Well, yeah, they're targeting... Yeah, the strength or the weakness of an individual has nothing to do with their plan, even though they say that it does.
03:42:06.000But what their plan is focused on is the ideological orientation of the individual.
03:42:14.000Strong or weak, if they support their collectivist agenda, then they are to be defended and preserved.
03:42:22.000If they're opposed to the collectivist agenda, then they're alleged to be defective and must be eliminated.
03:42:28.000So strength or weakness is measured primarily in terms of the degree to which individuals support their agenda.
03:42:35.000But like an animal farm, when the big stallion workhorse breaks his back trying to make more money for the pigs, then they load him up and sell him to the glue factory.
03:42:45.000So they also, at the same time, do hate the beautiful, the smart, the intelligent.
03:42:50.000Most of these eugenicists are like goblin-like creatures who want to pull everything down.
03:42:55.000Yeah, they get to be very analytical about society.
03:42:58.000They look at the human being as a machine, something to be controlled and directed, you know.
03:43:05.000In fact, my mind just went back to that famous line attributed to the Rothschilds.
03:43:13.000It said that the rulers of society, and they were referring indirectly to the Rothschilds in this sense, they look at man as a machine and woman as a toy.
03:43:25.000I thought, boy, that's quite an egalitarian view of the world, I would say.
03:43:32.000But they certainly do look at men as machines, machines to be controlled and put to work.
03:43:37.000And if they don't work well, then destroy them.
03:43:44.000Well, I want to take a few calls for G. Edward Griffin, Ronny, Rob, Adam, Greg, and Chris, and that'll be it.
03:44:02.000And they're trying to pass the Senate.
03:44:04.000Federal home inspectors and Selective carbon taxes on who they want?
03:44:10.000It's like Obama selectively deciding who can keep their dealerships.
03:44:14.000I mean, we're really seeing a takeover and the gas, the honeymoon is running out quick on this guy.
03:44:21.000Well, yes, and I certainly agree that people are fed up with all of it, and this just is like another straw on the camel's back.
03:44:29.000But I'm not so sure about whether they're going to not be allowed to continue.
03:44:35.000Because, you know, these people really don't care what the American people think right now.
03:44:38.000They've come to the point where they just sort of go ahead anyway.
03:44:42.000I mean, this whole issue of global warming is a perfect example.
03:44:46.000I would say that about a year or a year and a half ago, if you were to poll the average citizen out there, the overwhelming majority of them would say, oh yes, we've got global warming, yes, it's something that's very serious and we've got to do something about it.
03:44:59.000But now, with all of the scientific evidence that has come out, and all of the obvious fact of global cooling that's been taking place, And that's the key!
03:46:10.000I think that they have anticipated that long ago, that inevitably it would come to an uprising.
03:46:17.000And so they started to prepare for it, and I think they came to the point about maybe a year, a year and a half ago, where they think that the sooner the better.
03:46:46.000And the difference between the two is that revolutions have leadership, they're usually conducted by governmental units within a governmental entity.
03:46:57.000They have manifestos, they have creeds, it's an idea.
03:47:00.000They have leadership, training, funding, communications, a strategy, they have everything.
03:47:07.000You know, just plain revolt is where people throw up their hands and say, I'm sick and tired, I'm not going to put up with it anymore, and they grab their musket and go out in the street.
03:47:17.000I mean, the American Revolution was not a revolt, it was a revolution.
03:47:21.000It was fought by the continental government.
03:47:24.000The colonies had their militia, they had their training, their leaders, their ammunition, they had strategy, you know, funding, they had all of that.
03:47:31.000And they had a code, and they had a manifesto.
03:48:24.000They want to prematurely have us launch our revolution.
03:48:28.000We need to let the enemy's abuses continue to pile up while we continue to peacefully wake up the people until the government itself, many people in it, don't want to go along with it.
03:48:36.000And we're already starting to see that, G. Edward.
03:49:12.000I have in effect been banned from the City Council.
03:49:15.000I'm sure you have experience with that, Mr. Jones.
03:49:19.000OBGYN Dr. Ron Paul, Revolution of Love for Liberty and our Sacred Constitution, through the campaign for liberty.com, just keeps on keeping on.
03:50:03.000Even if you think we're overpopulated, which actually is disinfo at many levels, some of the technologies are dirty and bad and may have problems and need to be perfected or improved on.
03:50:14.000The issue is all this eugenics isn't about population.
03:51:23.000He's fudged since day one in this election.
03:51:26.000If you have a demagogue with a fanatical mass movement of personality cultists who is imposing the program of a group of extreme bankers and finance oligarchs, that's fascism.
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03:54:21.000Final segment, and I've got all these loaded phone lines here.
03:54:31.000Mr. Griffin, I want to say it's a pleasure to talk to you also.
03:54:33.000I use your CD, The Creature from Jekyll Island, as one of the intro packs I give people to introduce them to, to let them know what's going on.
03:54:40.000The main reason I called today is I just wanted to let you know, Alex, about the soft kill weapons.
03:54:45.000Yeah, I think one of the main things you stressed on it this morning is I went to the doctor, had a complete panel run, all blood tests, everything was absolutely perfect.
03:54:54.000You know, I don't drink tap water, stuff like that.
03:54:56.000However, my testosterone level was 225 nanograms a deciliter.
03:55:01.000The average male is supposed to be 5 to 550.
03:55:04.000You don't start reaping the health benefits until 6 to 800.
03:55:07.000Now then, even if your blood panels and everything are good, if you live from middle age on with low testosterone, you are at greater, much greater risk for heart attack, stroke, and prostate cancer.
03:55:19.000Now then, do you think it's possible that they could be doing things already to lower the male testosterone?
03:55:24.000Of course, I went immediately on therapy to replace my level.
03:55:27.000Paul Watson, Paul Watson, uh... I mean, the reason people are polite in Texas is Just 56 years ago, if you were rude to somebody, they'd kill you.
03:55:37.000And now, men just aren't as angry, they aren't as focused, or it's a fake type of, you know, masculineness.
03:55:42.000But in armed societies or polite societies, our testosterone is lower.
03:56:03.000Well, my take on it is that, like everybody else, it just makes a lot of sense and you can see the evidence of it as you go.
03:56:08.000I haven't really checked out the science myself, Alex, like you have or Watson, but it just makes a lot of sense.
03:56:15.000And again, once we understand the big picture and what these people are trying to do, then it's almost a A perfect litmus paper test that you can use to come to a preliminary judgment anyway as to whether something is true or false.
03:56:30.000You do have to run it down and, you know, clarify it and check it out yourself.
03:56:35.000But you have a pretty good feeling for whether something is true or false when you understand how well it fits in with the overall plan.
03:56:52.000Yeah, I had a question for you because I was talking to some fellows about this issue, but I did some reading on one of the websites, a lot like yours, where they had said that In the United States, down in the state of Alabama, they found a compound with trucks that had markings that looked a lot like they were Russian, and they were supposed to be drilling them to do civil disobedience and anti-riot.