Ray McGovern is a former CIA analyst who served in the Reagan administration, the Bush administration, and the Kennedy administration. He has been in remission from lymphatic cancer for two years and is back to full health. He joins Alex and Wenndy to discuss the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and whether or not the CIA, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or the Secret Service were behind it.
00:00:23.000Now the Globe, which is about as good as the Enquirer, though they don't do Batboy and Aliens landing in Central Park, they claim that they have a White House source with the enemies list.
00:00:32.000I think this is a public threat to people.
00:00:36.000And we're going to be going over that after Ray McGovern leaves us.
00:00:40.000Ray McGovern is one of President Ronald Reagan's intelligence briefers from 81 to 85.
00:00:46.000He was in charge of preparing the daily security briefings for Reagan and Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush and the National Security Advisor, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Cabinet.
00:00:56.000Later, McGovern was one of several senior CIA analysts who prepared the President's daily briefing during the first Bush administration.
00:01:03.000He also famously challenged Then Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld at a press conference, where are the WMDs?
00:01:13.000And of course, the Defense Secretary said, I never said they had WMDs.
00:01:18.000And he quoted Rumsfeld back and really devastated Rumsfeld.
00:01:23.000And that was really a turning point because Rumsfeld had been saying they had the WMDs and where they were in and around Tikrit.
00:02:07.000Yeah, I was talking about JFK and the Unspeakable, which is a book that people really should read.
00:02:14.000It's by James Douglas, and it goes over the most recently released data on the situation there in Dallas and elsewhere when John Kennedy was assassinated.
00:02:31.000You know, I had dinner with Martin Sheen about a month ago, and he said it was the best JFK book he had read and was raving about it.
00:02:50.000I want to get into Iran, but that's a subject I've never raised with you.
00:02:53.000Is JFK, why are you so impressed with this book?
00:02:57.000Well, Alex, I have to confess that someone sent me that book about a year and a half ago, and as soon as I heard that it had this theory that it was the CIA, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and people who had been subordinated to the Secret Service that planned and executed the assassination of John Kennedy.
00:03:18.000As soon as I heard that, I said, well, this is pretty far out.
00:03:29.000And I share the view of those who have read it before and told me that it's the most painstakingly researched piece of work and that it includes the very latest data that's been released from FOIAs or from other things.
00:03:44.000He conducted incredible interviews with people on the spot.
00:03:49.000And the evidence that he adduces, and you know, I'm an intelligence analyst, so I know a little bit about this kind of thing, is very, very persuasive.
00:03:59.000And the reason that it has such current attention and applicability is because the very forces that Jim Douglas claims did JFK in are still very much around, are still very much
00:04:18.000Intimidating a new president, whose name happens to be Barack Obama, and if you just run down the line of things, it was Cuba, mostly, because JFK would not save the abortive Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961.
00:04:36.000The CIA and the Joint Chiefs got very mad about that.
00:04:42.000When JFK wouldn't launch a nuclear war on the Soviet Union during the missile crisis in 1962, that got the Joint Chiefs really mad because they knew they had the advantage.
00:04:55.000And they told, look, Mr. President, it would only mean about 20 million of us killed, but we'd kill all the Russians.
00:05:10.000That crowd was described by George Ball, the Deputy Secretary of State, as a cesspool.
00:05:16.000They're the ones that planned things like Northwoods and other things.
00:05:21.000It's hard to put yourself back into those years, but there was such an incredible, visceral, knee-jerk anti-communism.
00:05:30.000That again, the Joint Chiefs thought it would be just fine if we did in all the Soviet Union in return to just, you know, maybe 20 million casualties here.
00:05:39.000John Kennedy faced into that, and not only that, but he started talking with Castro independently and secretly, he thought, because the CIA knew about it, and he had a private correspondence with Nikita Khrushchev.
00:05:56.000He made a big speech at American University saying, we ought to get along with the Soviet Union.
00:06:00.000And what do you know, but three months later, the Limited Test Pair Treaty is signed.
00:06:06.000The JCS, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was cut out of those negotiations.
00:06:12.000So you can understand how they felt about that.
00:06:15.000And last but not least was Vietnam, where John Kennedy was convinced it was a fool's errand.
00:06:24.000the Joint Chiefs, nor his immediate advisors like McNamara and Rusk.
00:06:29.000And so he had to sort of surreptitiously move toward removing all our troops.
00:06:34.000And before he died, he ordered that the first thousand troops be brought home before the end of the year 63.
00:06:42.000And he started issuing U.S. greenbacks and was beginning to phase out the Federal Reserve and giving anti-Federal Reserve speeches.
00:06:50.000Yeah, he was running into lots of problems.
00:06:53.000And you know, when Dwight Eisenhower warned about the military-industrial complex, well, already what he was seeing was a military-industrial-congressional-media complex, which we have in full swing right now.
00:07:10.000And so I admire him even more than I used to in facing right into that.
00:07:15.000And it's not at all difficult for me to believe anymore.
00:07:19.000That the people who both felt personally threatened and also felt that this fellow was selling out to the communists, took it upon themselves to plan this thing, carry it off, and then appoint people to investigate it, in quotes, who would come out with the best, the right conclusion, the politically correct conclusion that this Lee Harvey Oswald did it all alone.
00:07:46.000So, you know, the applicability of this thing with, here's Barack Obama, his big de-ribboned and de-meddled general officers are telling him, ah, we're going to suffer defeat in Afghanistan if you don't give us 40,000, 45,000 more troops.
00:08:05.000That's exactly the same situation that Jay What about the secret Pentagon document that came out two weeks ago?
00:08:12.000Is there any validity to that from your research, Ray McGovern?
00:08:15.000Where they're saying they need 500,000 troops over the next five years?
00:08:20.000Well, you know, Andrea Mitchell ran with that and I was really surprised because all the information that subsequently emerged does not indicate that that document talked about 500,000.
00:08:33.000What I think people did, perhaps, was interpolate.
00:08:38.000They look at the ratio that the current army manual says, the ratio of troops to citizens that is necessary for a successful insurgency, and you multiply the numbers by the 38 million Afghans And you get, you know, 500,000 or more troops that would be... Yeah, that was the original... Secretary White told Bush, you need 500,000 or 450,000 to be technical.
00:09:03.000And Bush said, no, I can do it with 150.
00:09:05.000And I guess there are 23 million in Iraq, so the ratio would be above 500,000, wouldn't it?
00:09:13.000And when you say 23 million in Iraq, I have to tell your listeners that there used to be 27 million in Iraq.
00:09:22.000That's not to say 4 million were killed, but 4 million have been displaced.
00:09:27.000A million, I believe, have been killed.
00:09:29.000And you have many millions, 2 million living internally as refugees, and 2.5 million living at the adjoining state.
00:09:39.000Ray McGovern, shifting gears, in the 40 minutes we have left with you, I want to get your, because this is what you briefed the presidents on, you are an expert on these regions, and talk to the other experts who are specifically specialists in these areas.
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00:09:58.000Obama is doing the right thing, saying he's going to pull missile systems out, but then he's hedging his bets from what I've seen, saying maybe some new system down the road.
00:10:06.000So what you see happening in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the U.S.-Russian relationship, and where all this is going, and then of course the $64 million question I want to cover first.
00:10:19.000From what I've read, the Iranians said, okay, in a few months we're going to open this new facility.
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00:16:18.000Okay, Ray, you were getting into what's really happening with Iran and these sites, and what you agreed is a big hoax, saying that it was a secret site and they're going to nuke us in 45 minutes, changing the last letter in Iraq to Iran.
00:16:39.000Let me go back a little ways here, because after the debacle on Iraq, when my former colleagues were visited several times by the Vice President, whose name is Cheney, and told to write a national intelligence estimate that said Saddam Hussein has all manner of weapons of mass destruction, that was October 1.
00:17:04.000After that happened, my former colleagues rose to the occasion and said, no more of that stuff.
00:17:13.000We're going to tell the truth, which reverts back to the kind of atmosphere in which I worked.
00:17:18.000The only place in town without a political agenda, the only place in town that can tell the president without fear or favor what we really think.
00:17:26.000Now, to make that clear, when people say, well, how come you torture people, they're basically two CIAs, alright?
00:17:34.000The one that obeys the President's wishes and is able to do that under the National Security Act of 1947, the one that goes off and kidnaps people and tortures people, that's not the CIA I worked in.
00:17:48.000I worked in the analysis part and the part of the covert agency that collected information, okay?
00:17:55.000And what I'm talking about now is that CIA.
00:17:59.000Well, we, okay, what did my former colleagues do?
00:18:02.000Well, what we did, to coin a phrase, is in 19, I'm sorry, 2006, we gave Bush and Cheney the finger, Tom finger, F-I-N-G-A-R,
00:18:20.000Who was an honest estimator, incredibly bright, came from the State Department and ran an estimate on Iran and its nuclear program, which is a bottom-up estimate.
00:18:34.000They spent months and months and months relooking at all the previous work.
00:18:39.000Taking into account the most recent information, they came up with some startling conclusions.
00:18:45.000Conclusions that were at direct variance with what President and Cheney have been telling the world, okay?
00:18:52.000judged with, quote, high confidence, end quote, that Iran had halted, had stopped, A covert nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003, and had not resumed work on this nuclear weapons aspect of its program.
00:19:11.000This is an essential part of a nuclear program.
00:19:14.000They stopped work on it, and the latest briefing of Congress indicates that the CIA believes, and the intelligence community as well, that they did not restart this.
00:19:24.000So this is a very curious way to be, as Defense Secretary Gates says, Hellbent on developing a nuclear weapon if you stopped, let's see what's the math here, six years ago, okay?
00:19:36.000And sir, didn't they say at the time, in the highly publicized report, that if Iran restarted it, it would take nine years?
00:19:45.000Well, they said 2015 or so, it was kind of a bracketed thing, and it all depended on how quickly they could enrich uranium to the weapons grade, and also what kind of delivery system they could get.
00:20:01.000Now, no one No one, from a technical point of view, said that Iran could be a threat to the United States in any time frame soon.
00:20:13.000They have no ICBMs, they have no method of delivering a weapon, even if they restarted their work on weapons.
00:20:24.000Well, there's one other country in that region who actually has about 200 Some people say 300 nuclear weapons deliverable by aircraft, by submarines, by surface ships, by missile.
00:20:43.000And the name of that country is Israel.
00:20:46.000And no one should shy away from mentioning that because that is the fly in the ointment.
00:20:51.000If there's a country in that region that has not signed a non-proliferation agreement, And has this kind of capability and the United States shows itself willing to invade a country like Iraq without that capability.
00:21:10.000Well, if I were an Iranian, you know, I would think long and hard about being able to have the option to have that capability.
00:21:17.000And so this estimate, this estimate said, we don't know whether the Iranians would develop a nuclear weapon, but the evidence is not there.
00:21:27.000We will know in great time, in enough time, to know and take precautions and get them to negotiate.
00:21:35.000But the bottom line is there is time to negotiate.
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00:25:24.000Going back to Ray McGovern in just one moment as we continue to get a briefing from him.
00:25:28.000Honored to have him on what's really going on.
00:25:32.000And he's one of the main people that came out and said the WMD thing is all a lie in Iraq.
00:25:37.000The yellow tubes, or the aluminum tubes, the yellow cake from Niger, all of it.
00:25:42.000And then now we know in hindsight it was all lies.
00:25:45.000And they literally are running the same playbook again.
00:25:47.000We'll talk to Ray McGovern in a moment, also talk about Russia, talk about Afghanistan, Pakistan.
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00:27:05.000Ray, you left off with the CIA assessment 2006, and then now we fast forward to they've taken some troops out of Iraq, replaced them with contractors, put 20,000 to 30,000 more troops and contractors in Afghanistan there.
00:27:22.000They're saying on the news, we caught a secret nuke factory.
00:27:39.000Well, we caught them several, several months ago, Alex, and they announced the existence of this new enrichment plant on their own initiative.
00:27:52.000And they did that just a week before the negotiations start.
00:27:58.000Your listeners perhaps need to be reminded that tomorrow is a very big day because the five Security Council members plus Germany and Iran are getting together Talk about the Iranian nuclear program.
00:28:11.000Now, that's why the hype is the pitch that it is.
00:28:15.000They're trying to, the media here, are trying to hype this thing up and say, well, look, now we've discovered a new enrichment facility.
00:28:24.000Well, we know about that enrichment facility for months.
00:28:27.000And now the Iranians are claiming that they're well within their rights under the treaties governing this kind of activity.
00:28:34.000to announce the establishment of this thing because it's several months more before it gets ready to enrich anything.
00:28:42.000So the hype is there and the bottom line, people just need to realize that Iran is nowhere near.
00:28:52.000Iran is years and years away from a nuclear weapon.
00:29:06.000Now, when I did the President's Daily Brief, I didn't write all the briefs, obviously.
00:29:10.000I know who the good analysts were, the honest, technical people, and it was a privilege to put their stuff in readable form and give it to the President.
00:29:22.000Well, now I still know those folks, and I'm not getting this from a government head.
00:29:26.000I'm getting it from people like Greg Kielman, who ran the State Department, the INR, the research there.
00:29:34.000The intelligence outfit of the State Department was right.
00:29:37.000His people were right before the Iraq estimate there in 2002.
00:29:43.000And he now writes for the Arms Control Association.
00:30:13.000Well, Alex, it will be no news to you that there is something in this country that I call the Likud Lobby.
00:30:21.000Well, the Kud being the hard right faction of the Israeli government, Israeli parties, and they have an ordinate influence in this country.
00:30:30.000And if you were to ask why it is that Congress is preparing, actually preparing as we speak, To pass a law that would actually be an act of war to interdict the supply of gasoline and such products to Iran.
00:30:47.000Well, it's because a lot of their money and a lot of their votes come from what I call the Likud lobby.
00:30:56.000But why does Israel want to attack Iran?
00:30:59.000Well, you know, if you look at the Israelis and their frame of mind, And I think it's a terribly myopic frame of mind.
00:31:08.000I care about what happens to Israel, and I think it's exactly the wrong policy.
00:31:12.000They think that if they can zap the Iranian nuclear facility, as they did to the facility in Osirak in Iraq in 1983, then they could set the Iranians back, oh, five, ten years, perhaps, if they're allowed to do that.
00:31:30.000Now, that's very myopic, because the Iranians, unlike the Iraqis in those days, the Iranians can retaliate.
00:31:58.000But they have this kind of frame of mind.
00:32:01.000Netanyahu, their Prime Minister in particular, that this must not be let happen and that they're going to delay it as long as they can.
00:32:09.000If it takes an armed strike, they'll do it.
00:32:12.000Now, the only thing that is preventing them from doing it at this point, in my estimation, is this.
00:32:19.000Admiral Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who is responsible for our troops and our security, has gone over to Israel, this time last year, and said, look, don't even think about it, okay?
00:32:31.000You fly your planes over our airspace in Iraq, we're going to shoot them down, okay?
00:32:37.000So don't even think about this, and don't think you can perpetrate the kind of incident like the Liberty incident back in June of 68, because we remember that.
00:32:48.000I'm a naval officer, and that's just not going to happen again.
00:33:28.000And then it came out later that Cheney was discussing plans to paint up U.S.
00:33:32.000ships like Iranian patrol boats and have them attack our ships.
00:33:37.000Now, this came out a Year after you on this show and other shows said, what I'm hearing from intelligence sources is, they may attack our ships and blame it on Iran.
00:34:21.000So it's thin slicing or it's dead reckoning?
00:34:25.000Yeah, it's, you know, trying to put yourself in the position of the Israelis.
00:34:30.000And what success they had with the incident there where they killed the 34 of our seamen there and wounded 171 in June 8, 1967.
00:34:43.000And, you know, talk about Moxie or Chutzpah, they were quite capable of doing that again, particularly if they had an ally in the Vice President of the United States, which clearly they did.
00:34:55.000And when Cy Hirsch came out with that a year later, you can imagine my reaction.
00:35:00.000I said, wow, that was a good guess, McGovern.
00:35:03.000But it was just, at that point, a guess.
00:35:05.000Okay, we had Bayer on, the former CIA fellow for folks that don't know.
00:35:11.000Yeah, and he said two years ago, and I don't trust him as much as I trust you, for obvious reasons, but he said, I'm worried about the Saudis staging a false flag to blame it on Iran.
00:35:27.000And then now, we see more and more similar things coming out along those lines.
00:35:34.000Well, Bob knows the area a lot better than I do, and I have great confidence in his judgment.
00:35:39.000You know, the Saudis or Sunni, the Iranians or Shia, it may seem like lunacy to us, but it matters a great deal in that area.
00:35:50.000And for the Iranians to become the preponderant power in that area, well, the Saudis don't like that at all.
00:35:56.000Whether they would resort to this kind of provocation or not, You know, I don't know, but Bob would be in a much better position to speculate on that.
00:36:06.000Well, I mean, what is it like for you, knowing the region, studying it, when they get up on the news and say Iran is backing Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, when it's the opposite group?
00:36:17.000See, Shunni are archenemies, you know, they fight more than they do with Christians or Jews, really, if you look at the statistics that I've looked at.
00:36:24.000I mean, that's like saying the Dallas Cowboys are the New York Giants.
00:36:30.000I mean, it's clearly two different groups.
00:36:32.000And then the famous case two and a half years ago with the president of Afghanistan and Bush says, yes, Iran is funding Taliban and Al Qaeda.
00:36:42.000in Afghanistan and Muhammad Karzai says excuse me your excellency respectfully but Iran's helping us their enemy is al Qaeda they're back on the news as you know saying that Iran is al Qaeda when the last White House admitted they were using al Qaeda based groups to stage terror attacks inside Iran yeah well in answer to your question Alex I take this blood pressure medicine now so this kind of stuff
00:37:10.000But all kidding aside, you know, when Bush was allowed to mischaracterize, maybe a nice way of saying things, all these very important developments, and the mainstream press, people like Charlie Gibson, would just kind of say, I refer specifically to Bush's famous exit interview where Charlie Gibson finally said, well, Mr. President, why did you really think you had to attack Iraq?
00:38:12.000And so November 07, this big shock, namely, that the N.I.E.
00:38:16.000judges, and I used to chair these things, so I know what kind of work goes into this, high confidence that Tehran has halted a covert nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003.
00:38:27.000What does the President say the following March?
00:38:30.000He says, quote, Iran has declared that it wants to be a nuclear power with a weapon to destroy people, including others in the Middle East, end quote.
00:39:34.000Do you think they're going to hit them, or will it be sanctions first, or will they false flag, or where is this going?
00:39:41.000Well, it depends on how staunchly the only reputable institution in our government stands up to this.
00:39:50.000I have a lot of admiration for Admiral Mullen.
00:39:54.000I think that he's inclined and knee-jerk to obey orders, but he and his predecessor, Admiral Fallon, you remember Fallon quit when he was CENTCOM commander because he had said, we're not going to do Iran on my watch, and it took several months.
00:40:55.000Yeah, and where is he going to get the Marine Division?
00:40:58.000They're all, they're all already exhausted in Afghanistan and some of them left in Iraq, so.
00:41:06.000You know, this all has a degree of unreality, and when I see Senator Kit Bond of Missouri and John Kyle talking about, we need regime change, we need regime change in Iran because there's such a threat to Israel, well, you know, that just reminds me of the old saw about, you know, when they offered to make Israel the 51st state of the United States, Israel refused.
00:41:50.000I think Netanyahu is chafing at the bit.
00:41:54.000And I think Obama is under great pressure from the Likud lobby and from those still in the White House who have great difficulty distinguishing between what they perceive to be the strategic interests of Israel on the one hand and those of the United States on the other.
00:42:13.000I hope, and that's what it is, a hope.
00:42:16.000It's just a little bit more than, a little less than an expectation that Obama will stand up to this.
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00:46:30.000Well, what's going on is the rest of the world is looking at us and kind of shaking its head.
00:46:36.000The Russians and the Chinese and the Indians are the big players, of course.
00:46:41.000As they watch what we're trying to do in Afghanistan, You know, they're sort of shrugging their shoulders and saying, well, be our guest.
00:46:49.000You know, we all tried that in Afghanistan.
00:46:52.000We all failed going back to, you know, going back to the great, not to mention Chinggis Khan and the Persians and the Indians and the British and the Russians.
00:47:03.000Go ahead, you know, waste your military.
00:47:07.000And with respect to Iran, you know, the Russians used to care a great deal about what happened on their soft southern underbelly.
00:47:17.000But they seem almost cavalier with respect to Iranian plans.
00:47:22.000And I think part of that has to do with the fact that they don't have Israel as their, quote, ally, end quote.
00:47:42.000There is no mutual defense treaty between the United States and Israel.
00:47:46.000And the reason there is none is because treaties require internationally recognized boundaries.
00:47:53.000And Israel is in possession for over 60 years now, no, 60 years from 1967 on till now, whatever the math is, of the occupied territories, West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.
00:48:08.000And Israel, the last thing it wants is to have any international body draw the borders back to where they used to be.
00:48:16.000So there is no alliance, and yet we proceed.
00:48:20.000The media characterizes our relationship with Israel as an alliance.
00:48:41.000Man, at the price of oil, you know, we'll be able to have a villa, we'll have a dacha for each little worker in Russia.
00:48:49.000Is that why Russia met with Netanyahu secretly a month ago and has now said they support sanctions against Iran?
00:48:55.000Well, you know, Russia plays a very clever game.
00:48:58.000You know, they express concern about this and then they go ahead.
00:49:02.000Now, with Netanyahu, They are restraining influence, although they don't care as much as we do.
00:49:10.000So when Netanyahu goes up there, what you expect him to get is not approval for a strike on Iran, but some sort of reassurance that, for example, the Russians won't sell sophisticated missiles to defend the Iranian sites there, the enrichment sites.
00:49:31.000You know, last year Ehud Olmert went to Moscow and he was summoned there.
00:49:39.000And the Russians warned him in similarly definitive terms, like Admiral Mullen, don't even think of attacking Iran.
00:49:48.000So the Russians have no real incentive for that kind of attack, but if it happens, you know, they're going to be the big beneficiary by doubling the price of their oil.
00:50:11.000It will depend on how this thing plays out.
00:50:13.000There will be sanctions first, uh, but, uh, there's great pressure for an attack, and I would not rule out the likelihood that Israel would be given a nod by somebody in the White House and go ahead and do it and force our hand.
00:50:29.000And then Iran will go absolutely wild.
00:50:31.000Oh, yeah, it'll be bedlam, and we'll suffer great attrition for our own troops in the area.
00:50:36.000Ray McGovern, thank you for your time.
00:54:06.000He says that people have no respect for any human life, even their own.
00:54:11.000They are some of the most dangerous people in the world.
00:54:14.000And some in the community worry that if they were here in this medium security prison, they would attract other radicals to the area, or even worse, escape.
00:54:23.000The person that wants to make it an issue, we'd be happy to lock them up and see how long it takes them to come out.
00:54:28.000And then, if they can, I'll buy them coffee at the coffee shop.
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01:01:00.000I know it's more than 15 different newscasts we've posted.
01:01:04.000CNN, Billings News, local news, saying everything that's basically in Michael Hollingsworth's article.
01:01:11.000I did read in the Billings Gazette and other newspapers in California, not just Montana, that this Billings Gazette writer has gone to work for them all of a sudden.
01:01:26.000You've got this weird foreigner who runs it all going around.
01:01:30.000They've got foreign commanders who are on the news, and they say it's all secret, we're not telling you, but then we have earlier news till the people said no from April, where they said it was going to be Guantanamo West.
01:02:28.000I'm going to be there tomorrow, folks.
01:02:29.000I always tell the enemy when I'm coming.
01:02:31.000So the point is, is that I like to give my heads up going there to do this, because then they'll overreact and show who they really are, too.
01:02:40.000So the point is, I want them to know I'm coming.
01:02:44.000Anyways, I'm not going to let people know exactly what, but tune in tomorrow.
01:03:02.000I represent a patriotically-based website called Freedom Video USA that represents a vast number of American patriots who are all military veterans, law enforcement veterans, concerned citizens, people that have not been blinded by the current presidential administration's smoke and mirrors.
01:03:18.000We were able to see right through it, and we absolutely have a 100% policy for dispelling all of the bovine fertilizer that's being spread from corner to corner in this country.
01:03:26.000I got some emails from some very good friends of mine who are just as dedicated to truth as I am, and said, hey man, this is up in your neck of the woods, what's going on up there?
01:03:35.000And I looked into it, and I was like, APF?
01:03:56.000All of the men in my family are veterans, have been American patriots, and that's what we classify as our number one line of employment as an American patriot, preserver of the representative republic in which we live.
01:04:05.000Good, so you're up there, you live nearby, you went and checked it out.
01:04:10.000Well, the bottom line started off with an hour-and-a-half long conversation with a lady by the name of Becky Shea, who is a almost 20-year reporter with the Billings Gazette.
01:04:19.000And she was the one who broke the story initially, so I contacted her.
01:04:23.000She is now currently the public affairs liaison for American Police Force, and I spoke with her.
01:04:30.000I had a very interesting conversation where it felt like she was trying to sell me something and I said, you know, well, how did this happen?
01:04:35.000How did you go from being the reporter that broke this story to being, you know, the mouthpiece of the beast here kind of thing?
01:04:41.000And I said, all of the people, all the things that I'm reading, all the feedback I'm getting from the people of heart and say that they're not interested in having hell, they weren't even notified.
01:04:47.000These people just came out of nowhere.
01:04:49.000And she says, well, you know, I went from driving a 99 Dodge Intrepid with a broken tie rod and bad front brakes to a black Mercedes SUV with a fuel card that I don't have to pay for and a substantial increase in salary.
01:05:00.000So I said, so essentially you sold your soul.
01:05:21.000I mean, this is, I mean, in these newscasts, it's like they're trying to freak everybody out.
01:05:27.000And it's just classic intelligence operation.
01:05:30.000They admit they're looking at it for the Guantanamo Bay.
01:05:33.000They have another former Supermax, and I need to print that off before we leave, because I saw it in the news and I haven't Googled it yet, but there's another Supermax in Montana.
01:05:44.000Where they quote have animal rights activists and US terrorists and I saw civil rights suits filed because they don't let them see their families even once a month for visitation.
01:05:55.000Clearly this is being looked at as where they want to move these assets in and then It's just red flags are shooting up, then they show up in black SUVs saying they're the hardened police, then they have the head of this Twin River Authority that's kind of taking over, that's leased it to them, saying, oh yes, well it is our wish list for them to be the police.
01:06:19.000I mean, am I entering the twilight zone?
01:06:23.000I spoke with Al Peterson, the Executive Director of Twin Rivers Authority yesterday, very briefly.
01:06:28.000I got him on the phone and I asked him to confirm or deny these rumors.
01:06:31.000And I said, you know, this is a facility that was denied operational status because it was not built in specification to Montana Code.
01:06:38.000In order to house prisoners legally in the state of Montana, you have to have X amount of square feet per prisoner in order for it to be considered humane incarceration.
01:06:46.000this facility did not meet those standards.
01:06:49.000My question to him was, how is it that the director of the city of Hardin could build such a facility with such a high price tag on it and not know from the blueprint stage that it wasn't gonna be up to specs?
01:07:01.000You know, so this is all, like you're saying, red flags that started popping up to us going, okay, was this facility built specifically with the intention Is this how far back this plan goes?
01:07:09.000Is that they already were building these facilities because they knew there was no way their estate was ever going to allow to house them.
01:07:14.000So yesterday I spoke with the Governor Brian Schweitzer's office who assures me that absolutely nothing illegal or unconstitutional is being allowed to happen.
01:07:21.000I rebutted with, then why are these people showing up and committing the felony of impersonating a peace officer by having hardened police department written on their vehicles?
01:07:28.000Well, sir, that's a private agency dealing with a private town, and that's not under the governor's authority, and it's really not something that we're at liberty to discuss, and we're not at liberty to discuss hypothetical situations.
01:08:11.000Let me ask you this since you live nearby, because I've been trying to study this the last three days, last two days.
01:08:18.000Am I correct in saying that they had a bond issuance to build a prison to give people jobs, then they did a bait-and-switch and said it's a FEMA camp and an international Merck training center?
01:08:30.000The bond issue, basically what happened, the bond issue has been in court tied up for several years now because they can't seem to get the paperwork straightened out for it, so they changed their business plan.
01:08:38.000And this is something that I approached Becky Shea with.
01:08:41.000And I said, exactly who are you planning on training and what are you planning on training them to do?
01:08:46.000And she says, well, you know, that's really not something I have the liberty to discuss, but it's going to be something to the nature of police slash detention officer type training.
01:08:53.000And I said, man, what's wrong with the Montana Law Enforcement Academy's Peace Officer Standards and Training in our state accredited academy?
01:09:01.000You can't function in the state of Montana.
01:09:02.000I don't know how it runs in other places, but in the state of Montana, you cannot be a sworn peace officer unless you have graduated the post academy.
01:09:09.000You have to take the Montana state approved post academy And the counties and cities are chartered under the state.
01:09:15.000That's their only authorities to the legislature.
01:09:20.000So basically, I said, you know, I called the sheriff's office and the gentleman that answered the phone was very abrupt with me and said that I'm not going to speak to you.
01:09:26.000If you want to know anything, call the city of Hardin.
01:09:29.000They played the, you know, Jimmy Code, Go Tell Bobby, Go Tell Mary game with me and pushed me off to 30 different people.
01:09:35.000And anytime that happens, that's basically, in the seven tenets of special operations, you have one of them called UW or unconventional warfare.
01:09:42.000And essentially what happens with unconventional warfare is the disinformation campaign, the psychological operations, where you will go in and set, you know, light the fuse, if you will, creating the need So you set the groundswork of problem, reaction, solution?
01:09:54.000from your perspective so that when you come in and offer your services that you had planned all along, that these people are going to, you know, to a screaming thunderous applause, they're going to welcome you.
01:10:02.000So you set the groundswork of problem, reaction, solution.
01:10:08.000Now, the other thing that's very critical that everybody in the United States and the world needs to know is that Hardin, Montana was not the only city that they planned on doing this in, and that was something that came straight out of Miss Shea.
01:10:18.000I asked her, I said, now, so basically what you guys did is you targeted Hardin, Montana, because you realized that its financial infrastructure was collapsing and the city was about to implode and they had no money and they've been taking handouts from the state for X number of years.
01:10:30.000And she goes, well, I don't know that targeted was a good word.
01:10:32.000But she says, I think it was more that we did a complex financial evaluations of all of the locations.
01:10:39.000And it's the poorest county, they're sold this jail will save you, then they bait and switch it and turn it into a command center for American police force to spill out as society implodes.
01:10:53.000Now you'll notice very carefully if you go to their website you will see an emblazoned logo on their berets and the side of their vehicle that has a two-headed eagle.
01:11:00.000That is the Serbian royal family crest.
01:11:05.000So basically, this Michael Hilton guy refers to himself as Captain Michael Hilton.
01:11:08.000He stands about 5'1", maybe 150 pounds soaking wet.
01:11:14.000This gentleman has got a very not-so-personal attitude about it.
01:11:18.000Shea in our conversation, I said, you know, don't you think it's rather deceptive to play all these, I'm not going to tell you where our funding comes from, I'm not going to tell you who our parent company is.
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01:16:29.000This Smith gentleman was the Executive Director of Twin Rivers, Two Rivers Authority.
01:16:35.000They say that he was put on administrative leave without so much as an explanation, and I've tried on all of the three numbers I've been able to obtain, I get nothing but voicemail.
01:16:45.000Kerry Smith, who is his wife, who is the current mayoral candidate, Yeah, that's her on the TV news.
01:16:51.000The statement she made was, "Don't worry, everybody, citizens are pardoned.
01:16:55.000The truth about APF will be exposed soon enough, and then just go with the flow." That was a direct quote from her that can be done on those.
01:17:09.000This last two days that I've spent literally several, most of this last two days on the phone with the Montana government, I'm getting all these canned answers from Governor Schweitzer, from Senator Baucus, and it's all the same thing.
01:17:19.000Well, sir, we're very honored that you took the time to contact us today.
01:17:22.000We'll be glad to send you a rubber-stamped form letter and blah, blah, blah.
01:17:25.000No, we're actually not really at liberty to talk about that.
01:17:27.000The biggest, scariest and most disgusting thing about this, Mr. Jones, is that they say the same thing.
01:17:33.000This is a private deal between the city of Havre and American Police Force and Two Rivers Authority.
01:17:40.000I mean, literally, it was a verbal duke out with this guy.
01:17:42.000I said, so what you're telling me is that the governor of my state, the supreme authority of my state, has absolutely no interest in the fact that there are foreign mercenaries who have set up a forward operating base, essentially.
01:17:52.000It's a hardened structure that is surrounded by... There's an abdication of authority.
01:17:57.000They're just saying, do whatever you want.
01:17:59.000And then you said this commander, he calls himself some type of commander.
01:18:03.000He's like... Captain Michael Heston or something like that.
01:18:07.000And you're saying he gets really mad when you try to talk to him?
01:18:11.000Well, you know, I haven't had the ability to personally talk to him, but what I have seen in the interviews is that he's very short, he's very brief and very matter-of-factly with the media representatives that have spoken with him.
01:18:20.000I've reached out... Who is the old guy with the foreign accent, always smoking cigarettes with everyone?
01:18:25.000The town officials are always groveling.
01:19:11.000Just black SUVs riding around ruling us?
01:19:14.000I mean, well, you know, that's our summarization at this point is that, you know, we've been observing these conditions as they magnify magnatomically on a daily basis.
01:19:22.000You know, everything that Obama has told us has been a bald-faced lie.
01:19:25.000He said, and now this is imperative, he very clearly said in one of his addresses to the nation, quote, we need a private military force, a private police force that is just as well equipped and trained as our modern military.
01:19:46.000And she told you, their spokeswoman, the former Billings Gazette reporter, now admittedly works, she said, oh this is nationwide.
01:19:53.000She, in no uncertain terms, she was very evasive about it, but she slipped on a couple of occasions and said that they had, this is how they had done the evaluations for centers from coast to coast.
01:20:02.000That they had several other states that were looking at doing the same thing.
01:20:05.000And then they won't say where their money comes from, but predominantly they're corporate.
01:20:10.000Oh, and on the news they say hundreds.
01:20:16.000Personnel are about to arrive, but no one can be told anything about them.
01:20:20.000The current statistics that we've been able to obtain is that there are approximately 50 to 60 current active agents for American police force within the boundaries of the United States, and they have approximately 1,600 operators worldwide.
01:20:31.000They claim to be able to land a battalion-sized special forces qualified element of troops within 72 hours anywhere globally.
01:20:43.000That's an awful lot of Special Forces Qualified Troops.
01:20:45.000But, you know, the other thing that we're kind of leery about this whole thing is that, you know, when I directly approached her and I said, so what about these potential ties that we've discovered through our research on the internet that say that you were tied to corporations like Dynacor, like, you know, Three Canopies, or Dynacor Blackwater Security, now known as XE.
01:21:04.000And she says, well, I'm not really at liberty to discuss any of this.
01:21:09.000So this group may just be a cutout for a consortium of mercs.
01:21:13.000You know, basically what it is, is this is the smoke screen.
01:21:16.000When you go to penetrate your enemy's defensive lines, what you're going to do is probe their defenses first to find out where their strong points are.
01:21:22.000And you do that by creating extremely sensitive and extremely visible pockets of, you know, little things that you can see.
01:21:30.000From that point, you exploit the weaknesses Well yeah, we're getting calls about black SUVs, Humvees, troop movements all over that area.
01:21:38.000We're going to get more updates from you in the days to come when I'm on the ground in Montana.
01:21:43.000Mr. Hollingsworth, your reports at InfoWars.com.
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