Gary Lachman is a musician turned writer. His latest book is Politics and the Occult: The Right, the Left, and the Radically Unseen. He is one of the founding members of Blondie and is a writer and musician. He has written for publications such as The New York Times, The New Yorker, and The New Republic. He is also a regular contributor to the New Republic and The Daily Beast.
00:00:52.000So why do you choose this subject matter?
00:00:54.000Why do you start going into not only the occult, but politics and how they intertwine?
00:01:00.000Well, it's something that I've been interested in for a while.
00:01:03.000There were, well, there's quite a few books written about it, but mostly from the perspective of Hitler and the Nazis, rather.
00:01:14.000To me, rather sensational sort of book.
00:01:17.000And generally, the attitude towards it is that any sort of encounter between politics and the occult or mysticism or the esoteric tends to be on the far right of the spectrum.
00:01:34.000And it tends to give esotericism or any interest in the occult or occultism a kind of bad a bad reputation from one point of view.
00:01:46.000And what I wanted to do was to show that while there is that, that's certainly a part of it, that doesn't cover all the bases.
00:01:53.000There's actually a progressive, you could call a left or liberal, sort of connection between politics and the occult.
00:02:05.000And I wanted to show that that was the case.
00:02:08.000And also another sort of thing that I wanted to point out was that both sides, say the far left and the far right, they actually come together in their detestation of modernity of the modern world, both of them abhor modernity, almost both of them abhor modernity, almost for the same reasons.
00:02:27.000They're very different approaches on how to deal with it, but they seem to meet.
00:02:31.000So that struck me as a very ironic thing.
00:02:36.000Well, before we get into the left, right, and their different flavors of the occult, you mentioned Hitler and the Nazis.
00:02:43.000And Hitler really did believe that symbols like the SS logo and the swastika, which was really a sun symbol, which he adopted and put into a white, red, and black color scheme, did give his political power, or his political party power, as well as his, you know, warmongering.
00:03:02.000Well, I mean, it's been around for quite some time.
00:03:09.000There's cave paintings with it, and cave etchings.
00:03:12.000And there's a long-standing myth that if it's turned in the clockwise direction, it's good, and if it's turned in the opposite, I forget which it is.
00:03:30.000I think Hitler was very astute about the power that symbols and myths have over people and how they can reach down below the critical conscious, the conscious mind, and sort of just get you down in your gut.
00:03:45.000And also, in the Vienna of Hitler's early days, before he became the chancellor of Germany in the early 30s, and he was a starving artist in Vienna.
00:03:56.000There was a magazine called Astara, if I recall correctly, that was anti-Semitic, anti-Marxist, anti-Democratic, you know, pretty much anti-everything, except sort of white, conservative Viennese, you know, culture.
00:04:18.000I mean, you find it in a lot of different contexts, and in many ways it's A sad thing that it's so completely associated with Hitler and the Nazis now that it's completely unredeemable.
00:04:32.000I mean, that's what everybody that I know would associate the swastika with.
00:04:36.000A lot of people don't understand it was used by Native Americans and many other cultures, again, as a sentence.
00:04:42.000But when we come back, I want to discuss the right-wing flavor of the occult and then get into the left-wing flavor, but really how these people don't present themselves to the public as occultists and they really hide their true religion.
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00:07:03.000If you're going into a battle and they give you a rifle and a sidearm, how much ammunition do you want?
00:08:39.000Not only the United States, but kind of European leaders also go to places like the Bohemian Grove and really the white Anglo-Saxon crowd is recruited in colleges like Yale and others with groups like Book and Snake and of course the infamous Skull and Bones.
00:08:55.000What have you, I mean, You look at Bohemian Grove, they seem to have this owl as a mascot.
00:09:01.000Some people interpret it as Moloch, others don't.
00:09:04.000But they also have a Buddha or a Maitreya figure there.
00:09:24.000So would you consider that stuff, the right-wing aspect?
00:09:28.000I mean, that's where, you know, Bush, his father go... Yeah, well, I mean, traditionally the right-wing aspect of politics and the occult is, it's linked to tradition.
00:09:41.000And it's a response to the rise of the modern world, which mostly means the rise of democracy, or the rise of some form of socialism of left.
00:09:54.000kind of thinking, which generally is a form of leveling.
00:09:59.000It levels out sort of the social hierarchies.
00:10:07.000It gets rid of the king, the queen, and all those people that are in a hierarchical, higher level than the common person.
00:10:17.000And this was something that was completely feared by many traditional thinking people in Europe.
00:10:27.000That's the area that I cover in the book mostly.
00:10:30.000And again, as I said, this is a response.
00:10:34.000Throughout the last few centuries, I started in the early 1600s with the appearance of, well, the non-appearance, actually, of a group called the Rosicrucians.
00:10:43.000And they're an example of progressive, kind of what we would call sort of left occult political thinking.
00:10:50.000But with the rise of the modern world, with the breakdown of the hierarchy, the loss of religion as a very strong element in society, Uh, many groups reacted to that, and they reacted in a way that they saw Different forms of esotericism, different forms of mysticism or cult thinking.
00:11:12.000This was a place where that notion of tradition was still alive and it was still viable.
00:11:17.000And so they sort of took elements from that.
00:11:22.000And again, I don't really do conspiracy theories and I don't really do the kind of what's going on in the back room sort of thing.
00:11:30.000I basically looked at history, upfront history that's available in books that you can get.
00:11:38.000You can find the influence, or you can find where people with an occult bent were involved in politics, or where certain occultists or certain people that were esoteric thinkers tried to take their ideas and to put them into practice in or where certain occultists or certain people that were esoteric thinkers tried to take And again, this is a response to the modern world.
00:12:02.000It's anti-egalitarian, anti-democratic, anti-socialist or communist, or anything that is sort of supporting the idea of getting rid of the hierarchy.
00:12:15.000So that's, you know, in many ways, I don't know if that's what's going on in Bohemian Grove or, you know, Skull and Bones and all that sort of thing.
00:12:26.000But I wouldn't be surprised, although I would say it wouldn't necessarily be a religious one.
00:12:30.000It would probably be more, you know, of an economic one, a financial one.
00:12:33.000Well, what are some of these modern examples?
00:12:38.000What are some of these modern examples, then, of what you consider the left and the occult?
00:12:42.000Some of the organizations or the people?
00:12:46.000If you look at somebody like the Theosophy, the Theosophical Society, which was started in 1875 by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, this wild, eccentric Russian woman who, after a crazy life, packed with enough life for a dozen people, wound up in New York in 1875.
00:13:06.000She herself wasn't so much directly involved in this, but her successor, a woman named Annie Who was, in England, a major socialist.
00:13:29.000She was for women's rights, she was for free love, she was for better working conditions, for working people.
00:13:38.000There was a famous strike called the Match Girl Strike that she was involved in that she was put into jail for and all that.
00:13:44.000She got involved in Theosophy and really threw herself into it.
00:13:48.000And Theosophy, as you probably know, gets a great deal of its philosophies, ideas from India, from Indian thought, from the mystic East.
00:13:59.000And so she went to India and she became actually, you know, hands-on involved in Indian independence.
00:14:08.000Uh, you know, getting rid of the Raj, um, India, India for India.
00:14:12.000And also, uh, involved with that was reintroducing to the Indian people a great deal of their heritage that had been, um, lost while they were under the British rule.
00:14:21.000Things like, uh, the Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads, all these great works of Indian Hindu mysticism and spirituality.
00:14:28.000The Indian people of the time were more or less ignorant of those because they've been brought up under British rule, and she reintroduced that to them.
00:14:34.000So there you have an example of someone, you know, working for the national identity of an indigenous people, which is a very progressive left sort of idea, and also their independence.
00:14:46.000So again, this is something that was, you know, really Uh, it was there.
00:14:52.000It was something that was, you know, right up front.
00:14:54.000And that even fascinates me more because, I mean, I tend not to go down to conspiracy.
00:15:00.000Uh, theory, really, because it's such a can of worms.
00:15:02.000You know, once you open them up, once you open that door, there's lots of other doors to open, and I feel you can get lost in it, and you never quite arrive anywhere.
00:15:10.000So I decided at the beginning, okay, I'm not going to go that way, but I'm just going to show you can trace in history where there have been times when I keep saying occult politics, but in many ways it's a religious, it's a spiritual, it's a politics that's motivated by sort of high ideals rather than, say, it's a politics that's motivated by sort of high ideals rather than, say, the utilitarian politics of, okay, economy and making sure everybody's got enough to eat and the sort of more pragmatic politics that we're
00:15:39.000Occult politics has to do with this kind of transcendental view of human nature and how society should be motivated by these high ideals.
00:15:48.000And both sides of the fence, both the left and the right, there have been different groups who have tried to introduce that.
00:15:55.000You know, there's people that say, like, you know, the States, the United States themselves.
00:15:58.000I mean, I live in London now, but I grew up in the States.
00:16:03.000You know, the Founding Fathers were all Masons, and there was a whole Masonic set of ideas that was involved in the origin of the States.
00:16:13.000And there's even books written about how Washington, D.C.
00:16:15.000is laid out according to these sort of astrological, masonic ideas.
00:16:21.000I mean, the whole ideas about the brotherhood of man, a certain kind of egalitarianism, a certain sense of people helping each other and personal freedom and religious tolerance, these were all ideas that were in the air, as it were.
00:16:55.000I mean, I'm sure other books probably deal with the guys in the back room, you know, with the shape- But you keep saying conspir- Hold on, let me stop you for a second.
00:17:02.000Let me stop you, because you keep saying conspiracy theories and people in the back room.
00:17:07.000You know, I'm holding their own annals.
00:17:15.000People like Newt Gingrich, who propose themselves as Christian conservatives, are members of the occult.
00:17:21.000I'm sure you've come across dozens, if not hundreds of names.
00:17:26.000Well, don't you, wouldn't you consider, hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:17:29.000Yeah, but wouldn't you consider a society that openly does rituals to their deity, an owl, and again this is inscribed in the... Well, as I said, and I basically said this when your producer got in touch with me, I said, I don't do conspiracy theories.
00:17:43.000Yeah, but you keep saying, hold on, you keep saying conspiracy theory.
00:17:50.000I'm showing their pictures in their own books with their own words.
00:17:53.000So where is the, well, where is the conspiracy theory in that?
00:17:56.000I mean, you turned to, I don't know how that's different than you quoting Blaski.
00:18:00.000Whoa, whoa, whoa, look, I'm not going to be shouting that to you.
00:18:02.000You know, I'm giving up an evening to do this.
00:18:04.000You know, I'm happy to watch the news.
00:18:07.000The thing is that, I don't know anything about it.
00:18:10.000So you can ask me questions about them and I can't give you an intelligent answer.
00:18:13.000But you're saying that all these people are openly occultists.
00:18:18.000Well, I would be happy to read the book.
00:18:21.000I'm sorry, I'm substituting on the show today and I just got thrown you... Yeah, but again, you're saying that all these people are out in the open.
00:18:27.000in the book but I don't want to talk about something I don't know anything about.
00:18:30.000Yeah, but again you're saying that all these people are out in the open isn't...
00:18:34.000Hold on, you're saying that all these people...
00:18:36.000But Gary, you're saying in your own words that all these people are out in the open when the very...
00:18:42.000Hold on, when the very meaning of the term occult is hidden, is it not?
00:18:45.000It's hidden but it's hidden in the same way that when the earth passes between the The rays of the sun and the moon.
00:18:57.000So, I mean, you could take out any book on the history of theosophy, or any biography of Annie Besant, and you'll find this out about her.
00:19:08.000Just like you can find out about someone like a fellow named Julius Evola, who was an Italian occultist and esotericist in the He's out in the open.
00:19:19.000and 40s who wrote books about a variety of different esoteric ideas, and he tried to influence first Mussolini and then Hitler.
00:19:30.000And he had certain ideas about a spiritual kind of elite and a spiritual aristocracy and how society should be based on that and so on and so on.
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00:25:08.000I go up to, you know, just sort of... I mean, the last people I talk about are, you know, the Christian fundamentalists involved in the Left Behind series of books in the States that are big, you know, bestsellers and all that.
00:25:19.000If you look at something like early 20th century England, where I just talked about the Fabians, you had a whole, just before World War I, you had a whole slew of sort of ideas that would later become rediscovered in the 1960s, which when everybody you had a whole slew of sort of ideas that would later become rediscovered in the 1960s, which when everybody thinks mysticism and yoga and a variety I mean, people were doing those in the 19th century, they were doing them in the early 20th century.
00:25:49.000But when they were doing it in the early 20th century, especially here in England where I'm living now, they were associated with these very progressive ideas, like free love was one of them.
00:25:59.000White education, religious tolerance, social tolerance, a breakdown of the class system.
00:26:07.000Those people involved, there wasn't one group who had an agenda to go and pursue in politics.
00:26:16.000But if you go earlier, say in the late 18th century, which is sort of the heyday of Freemasonry, Uh, when, um, especially in Central Europe and in German-speaking countries, you had, uh, this is, you know, with Illuminati come out of that time.
00:26:32.000It's got nothing to do with the film with Tom Hanks.
00:26:35.000But, um, you had famous people like Mozart and people like the German poet Goethe, and many other very influential thinkers and writers who were really involved in this platonic notion of, again, of religious tolerance.
00:26:52.000racial tolerance, of sexual tolerance.
00:26:56.000That's when you started to have Masonic groups that allowed women in.
00:27:00.000They allowed Jews and Christians who'd sit side by side at these Masonic meetings.
00:27:05.000And there was an idea that if these notions, if these ideas of the Brotherhood of Man and this kind of individual freedom and social tolerance, were they to spread, there would be a new age in Europe.
00:27:19.000Now, unfortunately what happened is a lot of those ideas got fed into a lot of the radical groups involved at the beginning of the French Revolution.
00:27:29.000And it went completely out the window, you know, it went from this fantastic dawn of a new age to, you know, to the terror when, you know, people were getting, you know, their heads chopped off left and right all over Paris.
00:27:41.000They just kind of, people just turned into a nightmare.
00:27:46.000And then out of it you get a new right-wing sort of masonic sensibility coming up as a reaction to sort of, you know, the The terror, as a reaction to the revolutionary sensibility.
00:27:59.000So, if I wanted to pocket it in two different ways, I would say the progressive people, you know, that have brought esoteric ideas into politics, they're trying, they want to, basically what they like to do is create the kind of socially, religious, gender-tolerant society that we give a lot of mouth, you know, we give a lot of lip service to these days, you know, the pluralistic We only have about 90 seconds left, Gary.
00:28:24.000In the beginning of the interview, you said that the left and the right seem to converge on this same idea.
00:28:31.000Is this the one that you're talking about, basically?
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00:33:13.000I'm Jason Burma, sitting in for Alex Jones.
00:33:30.000Now, if we can get to the document cam, and I'll read this for the viewers over here.
00:33:33.000I'd like them to see that this annul of the Bohemian Club that I got off of eBay, Clearly states in its inscription right here, by the way, William Randolph Hearst, a member, just occult things all over his property, to our tutelary deity, can we not get the, there we go, the owl.
00:33:52.000This book is a reverently and affectionately inscribed.
00:34:57.000And they always try to wrap it in, oh, it's going to be better for humanity, we're going to be more tolerant, we're going to be a better society.
00:35:04.000No, what it really means is consolidation of power by psychopathic elitists.
00:35:10.000They've been doing this for hundreds of years, if not thousands.
00:35:15.000And, you know, the Theosophic Society.
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00:36:21.000Remember, I've got a movie coming out in February, Invisible Empire.
00:36:29.000I'm really excited about this picture.
00:36:30.000That one is really the killer of this notion that these people are our friends, that they're trying to build a better society.
00:36:38.000No, my movie exposes the fact that they are into the occult, that they do want one world government, that they do want to cull a massive percentage of us, that they do want to tax us for breathing with a carbon tax, that they have been doing this openly, openly, In government documents, in books, in speeches, for well over a hundred years, Hitler talked about a new world order.
00:37:24.000Well, actually, I am 7 months pregnant, and I know Alex Jones said in Texas that the state kept the blood in the blood bank from the newborn.
00:37:37.000So I decided to, you know, because I never read over the privacy practices and all those things, so I decided to read it this time.
00:37:48.000I've been doing the research, like with Dr. Sherry Tenpenny and, you know, listening in about the vaccines and all those other things, so I really don't want to get my second child vaccinated.
00:37:58.000So, um, but I was reading in the proxy practices, basically what they're saying is, um, that they have from A to 0, I mean A to 0, A to O in their policies, that they can send out your information without even your consent.
00:38:16.000I just thought that was really funny and I called up to the hospital to see if I could get a waiver.
00:38:20.000I got to run around like 8 times and still haven't been able to talk to anybody.
00:38:28.000And I just thought that was pretty interesting.
00:38:31.000Well, they do this across the board, Randy.
00:39:07.000Well, Jason, this climate gate being investigated by Penn State, it's one of those universities that's involved with the Department of Energy's Atmospheric Science Program.
00:39:17.000Just Google that, and you'll see that they last updated it November 12th.
00:39:21.000It says in the very first paragraph up top that their primary goal is the, quote, aerosol radiative forcing of the climate.
00:39:30.000And so, and that's a quote, and so Penn State is among the universities involved in contracting with the Department of Energy.
00:39:44.000You think that this Penn State investigation is going to be a show trial?
00:39:48.000That in fact this investigation is going to be a whitewash and it's actually going to prove the opposite?
00:39:52.000They're going to try to prove the opposite so they can maintain their funding and the global warming fraud?
00:39:57.000Well, not if we keep these quackademics on the run.
00:40:00.000I mean, it's great news that they're on their toes now and these witch hunters of humanity are in retreat.
00:40:06.000But, you know, with this climate gate and the troop escalations and more war and murder, they're the ones who are threatening to make this world even more of a hell.
00:40:14.000And, you know, it's like another, as they admit, another religion.
00:40:18.000They're seeking to recruit those who are going to feel guilty for not obeying a penalty of burning, and their planet's going to be turned into hell, and that's what they'll do if they don't get their way.
00:40:31.000So, you know, we've got them on the run right now, and that's the way we've got to keep them, exposing these facts, bringing the false left and false right to walk through these gates off the reservation, and maybe we'll accomplish something.
00:40:44.000We do have to keep them true to their word.
00:40:58.000I appreciate everything you and Alex are doing for the Freedom Front and we will win this fight.
00:41:05.000I just wanted back to what your guest was talking about.
00:41:08.000You know, you guys call it the occult and everything.
00:41:10.000I mean, why don't you just say what these people are?
00:41:13.000They're Luciferian worshippers, you know.
00:41:15.000But that doesn't fit into his paradigm.
00:41:17.000You know, he'll never mention that a lot of these quote-unquote paganists and these occultists, even though occult obviously means hidden knowledge, would have anything to do with Lucifer unless Lucifer is being portrayed as the light and knowledge.
00:41:31.000And then maybe he would talk about it, but not as an entity that is encouraging people to do as thou wilt.
00:41:38.000Well, uh, you know, I like what he said where, you know, people obviously don't like to talk about things that they don't know about.
00:41:44.000So, you know, that's pretty open-minded.
00:41:46.000But anyway, you know, there's, uh, I've done research on this, started with the NWO and the Illuminati and, you know, one world government, and it led me to the occult side.
00:41:56.000And all that, and the Freemasons, and it's just confusing to anyone who tries to pick apart the pieces.
00:42:02.000And you know, I encourage people to go check out the book called, which one is it?
00:42:08.000It's by John Robison, and it really tells an insider's view of the Illuminati.
00:42:14.000He's an unapologetic Mason, but he sees this group infiltrating the Masonic lodges in Europe, and really Blows the lid off of Weisshaupt and his sect of the Illuminati.
00:42:26.000We carry it over here at Infowars.com.
00:42:31.000I want to shift gears for a moment here.
00:42:33.000We'll go back to your calls in a moment.
00:42:34.000We have Katherine Austin Fitz coming up in the final hour to discuss the economy, but I want to show these clips.
00:42:42.000Off of the CBC's Fifth Estate, regarding really what was the fairest mainstream piece, the fairest mainstream piece for 9-11 truth yet, and then show you some documents further debunking people like Jimmy Meggs, Entertainment Weekly superstar turned Popular Mechanics editor.
00:43:02.000Being proven wrong again and again and again and again.
00:43:06.000So if we could start off with that clip where we have the two clips.
00:43:09.000It starts at the one minute marker and then the eight minute marker.
00:43:12.000We've got John Farmer admitting, admitting that the 9-11 Commission was a whitewash.
00:43:18.000We've got Jimmy Meggs being called out on the fact that Air Defense does train for hijackings and much more.
00:43:28.000Senior Counsel John Farmer established the timeline that day.
00:43:32.000He says by misleading the public to hide incompetence on September 11th, the U.S.
00:43:37.000government unwittingly triggered the truth movement.
00:43:40.000I tell you where I have a degree of empathy, and that is, I think when you have a situation as we have here, where the official government version of what happened doesn't square with reality and leaves people scratching their heads, then people's minds run crazy.
00:44:00.000Varying degrees and then he starts saying how controlled demolition is not a possibility.
00:44:04.000Now, let's focus on what he did just say.
00:44:06.000He just said that the official government version of 9-11 does not square with reality.
00:44:14.000Is it time for a new investigation yet?
00:44:17.000Is it time for the mainstream media to stop slandering 9-11 truth yet, when John Farmer, the man who put together the timeline, admits it's a lie.
00:44:47.000The two co-chairs, as they laugh, also in Fabled Enemies, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, write a book together called Without Precedent, where they talk about indictments of the FBI and others, and they're joking about it!
00:45:26.000That right there, he's describing the Barbara Olson phone calls.
00:45:30.000Now, what do we know about the Barbara Olson phone calls?
00:45:32.000Barbara Olson was a commentator on CNN.
00:45:36.000She supposedly called her husband, who was the Solicitor General at the time, twice from her cell phone, where she was the one that talked about hijackers with box cutters.
00:45:45.000That's where the only information comes out.
00:46:10.000Because he was the up-and-coming young businessman.
00:46:12.000And when he called her, she says, that's the way he sometimes introduced himself.
00:46:17.000Well, that just means that they've done a better job.
00:46:20.000But here, too, there are unanswered questions.
00:46:23.000For instance, what's perhaps the most famous call that day?
00:46:26.000From television commentator Barbara Olson on board American Flight 77, headed to the Pentagon, to her husband Ted Olson, then Solicitor General of the U.S.
00:46:38.000He told CNN that she had called him that morning from Flight 77.
00:48:01.000Either way, The official story is based on a lie.
00:48:05.000And thus far, we have been unable to get a single newspaper or magazine or TV station in the United States to report this, which the FBI reported in 2006.
00:49:11.000And questions like, where was the Air Force?
00:49:14.000It is hard for mere laymen to understand how the biggest, most extensive military in the world could not have got fighters in the air that morning faster than it did.
00:50:00.000Not for planes originating inside the U.S.
00:50:04.000The air defense system was set up for outside threats.
00:50:06.000Planes or missiles or other things coming in from overseas.
00:50:10.000Alright, let's just stop him right there.
00:50:12.000Bob McEwen should have stopped him and said, that is a lie.
00:50:15.000In my hands, and hopefully you can zoom in on the document cam in the final moments of this segment, you can see clearly that on 10-21-2000 they had an inside hijacking.
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00:51:59.000Hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone.
00:52:06.000This is our last chance to not relive history.
00:52:09.000As we're finishing off this agenda, They'll be pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
00:52:14.000We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
00:52:20.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.
00:52:25.000For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.
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00:54:00.000Finishing up on the 9-11 points, I just want to point out once again, as these guys almost five years ago now set out to quote-unquote debunk 9-11 truth, their lies as these guys almost five years ago now set out to quote-unquote debunk 9-11 And unproven!
00:54:22.000We look at this document from Team 8 of the FBI, and you can clearly see that we drilled inside hijackings, hitting inside targets with suicide missions.
00:54:32.000Then, on the day before 9-11, and the day before that, they're running hijackings out of New York City.
00:54:43.000I also want to mention that if you don't think you were track-traced and data-based, Prior to 9-11, prior to 9-11, how about Wikileaks releasing all sorts of pager and cell phone documents from text messages on...
00:55:00.000From the morning of 9-11 itself, 3 a.m.
00:55:02.000to 3 a.m., 24 hours of texts that again predate the supposed police state that was brought in via the Patriot Act, via the Military Commissions Act, via the lies and the pretext of 9-11.
00:55:16.000Yet, somehow, all of these private emails, texts, and pager data are available.
00:55:23.000How would that be possible without some kind of a tracking, tracing, and database system being set up before 9-11?
00:55:31.000And now Congress may actually probe over this WikiLeaks release, because they know that it may hurt them.
00:55:38.000All right, let's take a couple other callers.
00:55:39.000Then we have Kathryn Austin Fitz on the program for an entire hour to discuss The global economic meltdown.
00:55:47.000I mean, it is here, full force, gold hitting record prices today.
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00:57:39.000Who's the number one importer of drugs into the United States?
00:57:43.000Unfortunately, it's our own shadow government apparatus as exposed in the Iran-Contra scandal, and as proven today, as we give Warlord and Karzai's brother millions of dollars over the last eight years to support the opium trade.
00:57:59.000And yet here, the same shadow government is saying, we're going to go after the people that are running the drugs.
01:01:29.000And we're going through a structural change economically as a society.
01:01:35.000We have, for the last 15 to 20 years, moved abroad many of the high-paying manufacturing and other jobs, and done it in a way that significantly weakened the unions and anything that would protect the value of labor.
01:01:54.000So we're watching It's a fundamental shift between the value of labor and the value of capital worldwide.
01:02:01.000And it's an integral part of the way that globalization is being achieved.
01:02:06.000And so we're just at a round with Dubai as sort of the latest sort of crisis du jour related to what happens when you print lots and lots of financial paper.
01:02:22.000Whether it's currency or bonds or debt securities.
01:02:26.000But you don't build up an equivalent amount of real wealth in the real economy.
01:02:33.000So we're watching a back and forth between all the paper that we've printed and the bubbles that we've engineered globally and the real economy.
01:02:42.000And the precious metals is really just the real economy saying, hey, wait a minute.
01:03:15.000How did we allow ourselves to stop manufacturing any physical materials whatsoever?
01:03:22.000Well, in the 1990s, we implemented the GATT Uruguay Round and created in 1995 the WTO, the World Trade Organization, which radically changed the rules.
01:03:35.000You know, it's like any game, when you blow a whistle and change all the rules, the whole game changes.
01:03:43.000And what the World Trade Organization and the GATT Round said is, we are now free to move capital in and out of any place.
01:03:53.000And basically shift jobs locally, globally, in a way where we can, you know, play labor off against each other around the world.
01:04:04.000And that's happening at the same time when you're instituting lots of new powerful technology, because a lot of this is made possible by telecommunications and satellite technology and digital technology.
01:04:16.000You're instituting it where it's possible to radically reduce the number of people you need to do manufacturing.
01:04:24.000So literally we're seeing new plants come up around the world where everything is done by robotics and computers, and you need very few people, or once you needed 2,000 people to do everything you need to.
01:04:35.000So part of this is simply who gets the blessings of new technology, and what we're saying is we're going to take all those blessings and productivity and centralize it into the wealth of the few and pull it out of the well-being of the many.
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01:08:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:08:23.000Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
01:08:24.000I am Jason Bermas, sitting in for Alex Jones, who's on assignment in Dallas.
01:08:29.000We're with Kathryn Austin-Fitz, and you were talking about, really, the restructuring of the global economy and the economy here at home.
01:08:38.000How do you feel the SDR, or Special Drawing Rights Unit, that the IMF is now really issuing fervently, fits into all that?
01:08:46.000Is this the global currency that they plan to replace the dollar with?
01:08:50.000Because there's all this talk that the dollar can no longer be the world reserve currency, and it would seem that although this hasn't taken a physical form yet, that may be the next step.
01:09:00.000Well, there are a couple things happening at once, Jason.
01:09:02.000The first is, there is tremendous tension between the financial A really speculative economy in the real economy.
01:09:10.000And if you look at the countries and the organizations trying to implement trade around the world, it's very painful to be trying to move bananas from here to there when the currency or securities you're operating with to manage a real business have become really a tool of financial speculation and economic warfare.
01:09:35.000by countries that are focused on real export and real trade, trying to find a way to transact and manage reserves in a way that's good for their real economy and get away from the financial speculation.
01:09:50.000So there's a demand for a global currency that's outside the global speculation system.
01:09:59.000Number two, there's no doubt there's a desire also to get off the dollar, because the dollar's in a long-term decline.
01:10:06.000And what the dollar has become is, in one sense, is a form of global taxation to the balance sheets.
01:10:12.000So countries around the world buy dollars, they go down in value, and literally it's a taxation system.
01:10:19.000So, there's a real desire for something, one, that's global, that's two, that's outside of the speculation, and three, it's not going down in value.
01:10:29.000And that's part of what you're seeing with the SDRs and the movement to a global currency.
01:10:36.000But the other thing, what we're seeing is we're just seeing a desire for people to have something that's not going down, which is part of what's pushing the price of gold and silver and the precious metals up a lot in the last couple months.
01:10:47.000So, what does the United States look like once the dollar is dumped as the world reserve currency?
01:10:53.000Is this literally the death of the dollar and we would need some kind of other currency in the United States?
01:10:58.000Would this trigger even a deeper depression?
01:11:01.000I know that Obama's talking about a double-dip recession, which to me is just a semantical word game to say, hey, things aren't going to get any better.
01:11:09.000They dare not use the term depression.
01:11:12.000But if the dollar is taken away as the global reserve currency, does it survive?
01:11:17.000And what happens here in the United States?
01:11:20.000Well, I don't think we're going through a depression or recession.
01:11:22.000I think we're going through, I call it a financial coup d'etat.
01:11:27.000So I think what you're watching is a fundamental re-engineering of how the world is governed and it's intentional and it's planned.
01:11:42.000It's not as though it's perfectly scripted.
01:11:45.000But we're going through a fundamental change, and the decision to basically reduce the middle class to a much lower income with much less political power lifestyle was an intentional decision made in the 90s.
01:12:05.000And essentially what has happened is you have one or two generations in the United States have built up huge wealth over their lifetime and what we saw was that wealth transferred Out of the economy and abroad during the 90s, sort of hidden behind the bubble.
01:12:46.000In London in 2002 to give a paper on, it's called The Myth of the Rule of Law, about sort of how the process of privatization was working here in the United States and how things were, you know, basically criminal enterprises being used to centralize all sorts of ownership and control and real estate into a relatively small group of
01:13:08.000of people, and I gave the paper, and following me there was a former reporter from the Wall Street Journal giving a paper about the economic warfare in Russia during the 90s, and then followed by a wonderful reporter in London who gave one on Eastern Europe, and we were all in a state of shock because we realized it was the same companies, the same banks, same hedge funds, Same defense contractors operating as syndicate in all three places.
01:13:38.000We just didn't, you know, we hadn't seen the game because we thought it was just North America or Russia or Eastern Europe, and what we didn't see was there was a global process going on of buying up and controlling all sorts of land and real estate and enterprises, and was very much part of a process of economic warfare that was going on globally.
01:14:00.000Well, when these elitists talk about redistribution of wealth, what they really mean is that their goal is to take the United States and take us from our first world nation status and delve us into this second world nation status as they consolidate power, as they gain more power.
01:14:17.000And I see this system being implemented with this cap-and-trade scam and now being exposed in Climategate.
01:14:24.000I mean, that's why they created these carbon markets and carbon prices.
01:14:28.000I mean, the EU openly trades European Union.
01:14:31.000This is about globalization and I think that this is the next step in this redistribution of how the global economy works.
01:14:41.000Well, let's look at the challenge, you know, whether it's what I'll just call a metaphor for the people running the economy globally.
01:14:50.000So, whether you're Mr. Global or whether you're You know, you're Jason and Catherine and the people listening to this call.
01:14:59.000The question is, how do we go from being a world where resources are very much used by the few and not by the many, and a world where we're having incredible sort of damage from growth in population to the environment on the planet.
01:15:22.000How do we go to a world where we are living in alignment with each other and with the environment?
01:15:28.000So how do we go from an unhealthy model to a much more healthy model?
01:15:35.000The question is, how do you incentivize people to do what's good for the environment and do what's much more equitable in terms of sharing of resources?
01:15:45.000And there are positive systems you can use to do that, Jason.
01:15:50.000The Solari model says, okay, why don't we finance the communities with equity, and then people can make money and get financial wealth from reducing consumption.
01:16:01.000The notion that we need consumption to grow to get the stock market to go up is absurd.
01:16:07.000But in fact, if you finance places with equity, there's enormous financial incentives for all of us to dramatically reduce our consumption in a way that aligns us and our finances with With the environment.
01:16:21.000Cap and trade is a very different kind of system.
01:16:26.000And it says, you know, you can't trust people to do the right thing.
01:16:30.000So rather than incentivize them with positive, what we're going to do is we're just going to make it very painful and expensive for them to not lower their footprint.
01:16:40.000But we're going to do it in a way that one, gives us central control, and two, where we can game the system.
01:16:45.000So I've always said, if you think You know, that cap-and-trade would make derivatives look like it was something that Mother Teresa came up with.
01:16:54.000Because what you're seeing in cap-and-trade is the worst polluters on the planet being given a get-out-of-jail-free card in exchange for making it much more expensive for the least polluting people.
01:17:09.000just had a great description about a month ago of General Motors.
01:17:14.000Purchasing of carbon credits in Brazil and basically, you know, General Motors is free to pollute because the folks in Brazil can no longer hunt or do all sorts of things with land that they've been using for generations.
01:17:29.000So you literally have a system that allows the most polluting to continue to pollute and get a get-out-of-jail-free card by making life miserable for the people who have the lowest footprint.
01:17:41.000And exactly, even though they're going to buy these carbon credits, those fees, those costs, will then be implemented on the lower class by what they cost.
01:17:52.000And in fact, now you're seeing around gas stations that if cap-and-trade is passed, yes, gas will go up 75 cents or a dollar.
01:18:00.000And then the left cover is, oh, you must work for the oil industry, that's why you're against cap-and-trade, that's why you're against a carbon tax.
01:18:09.000Yet, these headlines I have next to me, Well, let's talk about what we need.
01:18:13.000global expansion of cap-and-trade CO2 programs, and then we have an Exxon executive calling for the same things.
01:18:19.000These are the people that are actually behind this carbon tax system.
01:18:26.000The first thing that we need, whether it's, you know, if you're the American people or you're in Latin America or any continent around the world, what we all need is transparency about what's going on.
01:18:37.000What ClimateGate shows is that the quote-unquote science around the need to have any kind of system is bogus.
01:18:46.000And, you know, it's very hard for most people to believe that the concept of global warming could get this far, and we have this kind of sort of bogus science going on.
01:18:59.000And so the first thing that's needed, Jason, is transparency about where is climate change coming from?
01:19:07.000Why and what are the things that we can do, you know, what does the human race control that we can change that can improve our circumstances for whatever reason?
01:19:16.000And I think that, you know, I'm someone who spends a huge amount of time trying to understand what's happening and why.
01:19:22.000And I still feel absolutely no confidence that I know why or can explain, you know, why climate change is happening, because I think I think there's so much disinformation And it's a perfect example of how disinformation is used to bring about bad policy and control when what we need is a real honest conversation about what's going to happen and what can we do.
01:19:48.000Well the bottom line is if the data said what they said it showed they wouldn't have destroyed it and they would have allowed it to be peer-reviewed unless Except for, you know, they didn't.
01:19:57.000And they had to fall into the dark abyss.
01:19:58.000It's the Alex Jones Show, back after this.
01:20:02.000Alex and I have talked about food security for your family for years.
01:20:05.000Now we're into the holiday season, the happy time of year when friends and family come together and food is always the expression of our shared love and caring.
01:21:08.000You wouldn't buy gold if you believed that the government is doing a great job, that the Fed will stop handing out trillions of dollars like bailout candy, that Social Security would be there for you.
01:21:19.000You might even pass on gold if the stimulus package wouldn't fuel inflation, or that the dollar wouldn't lose value, or that your retirement would be secure.
01:21:27.000If all looks rosy to you, then now is not the time to buy gold.
01:21:31.000For the realists, there have never been more sobering reasons to diversify with gold.
01:21:58.000Hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone.
01:22:05.000This is our last chance to not relive history.
01:22:08.000As we're finishing off this agenda, we're pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
01:22:13.000I have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
01:22:20.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.
01:22:25.000For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.
01:24:24.000I want to move on to what's going on in Copenhagen in just I think it's six or seven days it begins this Copenhagen treaty where one of the quote-unquote three pillars is global government and the term taxation and tax appears over a dozen times.
01:24:43.000They're trying to get this cap-and-trade scheme Global!
01:24:47.000I mean all the way around so that we sign on to a treaty and of course the United States is the quote-unquote worst polluter so we're going to be hit the hardest.
01:24:55.000What do you see coming out of this climate treaty, this meeting?
01:24:59.000I don't know what's going to come out of Copenhagen because I think there's a real effort going on behind the scenes to make sure that the United States doesn't commit or commits as little as possible and we don't know how it's going to play out.
01:25:15.000The question behind all of this really goes back to, are we going to have a democracy, or are we going to be part of a system where invisible forces control top-down through these unbelievably complex systems, a lot of which are being engineered by using the environmental issues in the environmental community.
01:25:38.000I think in many respects they're unknowing about it.
01:25:43.000You know, I don't know what's going to come out, Jason.
01:25:47.000I think we just have to wait to see, but it's part of a long-term trend to try and engineer top-down control in a way that literally takes any kind of accountability out of the hands of the people who live in a place.
01:26:01.000So if you live in a county in the United States, and the United States breaks down to just about 3,100 counties, who's in control in that county?
01:26:12.000Is it rules set in a place like Copenhagen?
01:26:15.000Is it the federal government, or is it your local sheriff and town council?
01:26:21.000And that's where the rubber's going to meet the road.
01:26:24.000If you're a farmer, do you own and control the water on your property, or does somebody at the World Trade Organization determine what happens with it?
01:26:35.000So where do you see all this going in the United States?
01:26:37.000What are we going to look like in six months, in a year?
01:26:41.000Is the dollar going to continue to decline?
01:26:45.000And then how can people really hedge their bets and protect themselves from this really economic takeover to the tune of an admitted over 27 trillion dollars in bailouts?
01:26:56.000Well, the first thing you want to do is, you know, I'm not a prophet, so there are many different things that can happen.
01:27:03.000There are many different scenarios that can play out.
01:27:06.000But the one thing we do know is that there are certain long-term trends, and what you want to do is make sure you align yourself with the long-term trends.
01:27:13.000So, the first long-term trend is we're having a shift of resources out of financial assets and what I call sort of bubble economics and into real things.
01:27:25.000And what that means is the average person, the average household, needs to demonetize.
01:27:31.000So, for example, I once had a friend who was constantly complaining about how the yields in her stock market portfolio were falling and her water bill was going up.
01:27:38.000And I said, well, this is really easy.
01:27:41.000Why don't you just sell some stock and build a well?
01:27:45.000And so that's a perfect example where We put our money into corporate securities, and then we get a yield on our corporate securities, and then we go into the market and buy from those same corporations the goods and services that we need.
01:27:58.000So we've been intermediated, and demonetization is really about saying, okay, where can I start investing my time and my resources so that I permanently lower my overhead, because it makes sense to go back to the way my grandparents did it.
01:28:16.000The economics are changing because we're in a bull market for tangibles.
01:28:19.000So, for example, the more I can reduce my dependency in terms of my energy, my food, you know, on unreliable players.
01:28:29.000You want to get unreliable players out of your life.
01:28:32.000So, one of the questions I always ask people is, who's your farmer, who's your banker, where's your money?
01:28:42.000With genetically modified food, there's a reason we all want to start getting to know our farmers again and finding ways of maybe investing in farmland that help make sure you have a wonderful supply of food.
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01:33:52.000Now, we left off with you, Catherine, talking about how you should really know your farmer, and then you were getting into how you should really know your banker.
01:34:19.000Both 401K and IRA, and she had her money in the stock of the same New York bank.
01:34:25.000And their third friend, and remember, I'm getting them talking about their money, it turns out their third friend was borrowing on her credit card.
01:34:32.000She started a business using her credit card, and right after that, it was a credit card of the same New York bank.
01:34:55.000Why do we need a bank thousands of miles away, or over a thousand miles away, to get in between three friends in a way that's raking off huge and hideous profits?
01:35:07.000In fact, there was one website that got started, Prosper.com, which was set up to help people loan directly to each other.
01:35:15.000And of course, you know the boys shut it down.
01:35:19.000So, another question is, where is the opportunity to not be intermediated by the big institutions and find ways of making more money and keeping the cash flow in either our networks or our neighborhood?
01:35:36.000We demonetized, we bought our generator, we started loaning.
01:35:43.000Let's say we did everything we could do, just ourselves and our networks.
01:35:46.000Then the question comes down to, Okay, now how do we start taking political action?
01:35:53.000In addition to who's your farmer and who's your banker, a very important question in the 2010 election is going to be, who's your sheriff?
01:36:02.000Because, in fact, if you look at the legal construct upon which the republic was founded, the most powerful person in your county is not the President of the United States and is not even your governor.
01:36:26.000They're the ultimate word within that jurisdiction.
01:36:29.000And we're going to have Richard Mack, I don't know if you've ever had Richard Mack on InfoWars, but we're going to have Richard Mack, who's a retired sheriff in Arizona, has written a lot about this question and in fact took the federal government to court, went all the way to the Supreme Court and won.
01:36:46.000He's going to be on the Solari Report in January.
01:36:50.000I just cringe when I see people spend money and time on the presidential elections when they're completely ignoring who is their sheriff.
01:37:00.000And their political representation in their own local area.
01:37:04.000Well, I always tell people that they need to start locally and if they truly do want to change the system, perhaps it's time for them to run for city council or state senator or even a congressional spot.
01:37:13.000But of course, the sheriff is a very, very powerful position and an electable one.
01:37:18.000So if you don't like what's going on in your county, it's time for you to run for sheriff.
01:37:22.000Well, but the other thing is, you know, the sheriffs can do an awful lot if people will support them.
01:37:26.000And a lot of the politics comes down to the Fed throws a lot of money.
01:37:30.000The more dependent we get on federal money, and the more the Feds control the cash flow locally, the more everybody won't support their sheriff in standing up.
01:37:39.000And that's why it's got to be battled out in the cash flow.
01:37:41.000The next place you need to go after who's your sheriff is to look at, okay, let's look at where the governmental money is going.
01:37:49.000We're paying taxes, and that tax money is going someplace.
01:37:53.000Is that money circulating into the businesses that create Employment and opportunities for us that we, our neighbors, own.
01:38:00.000And I just want to use an example of what's been happening, because if you look, if you dig in and you look at the federal, state, and local governmental flows, all resources, not just contracts or expenditures within a place, what you discover is there's enormous opportunity to lower the burden to taxpayers in a way that creates much more income locally for us.
01:38:22.000And let me give you a perfect example.
01:38:36.000So 20% of the people on food stamps in a state where we have fabulous farmland, beautiful farmland that's just sitting not doing anything.
01:38:47.000It turns out, Jason, that we are outsourcing the data servicing and customer support work On the food stamp contract in Tennessee, it's true in Florida, other states, too.
01:39:02.000Now, we have counties in Tennessee where we have 25% unemployment.
01:39:09.000So the federal and state governments are paying people to not work and paying for their food stamps when they are also paying JPMorgan Chase to do jobs that these people could do.
01:39:24.000Well, that's why those arguments never stand up that, oh, they don't want to take these jobs.
01:39:27.000No, you're not offering them to people.
01:39:29.000You're moving them overseas and making it impossible for them to do this work.
01:39:34.000Well, in fact, data servicing jobs are wonderful jobs for many people.
01:39:39.000If you are someone who has responsibilities for caring for children or for elderly parents or both, data servicing jobs can be beamed in, you know, you can beam them out to lots of different sites locally.
01:39:53.000And they can be done in flexible hours, so you can get very high productivity with flexible hours in sites that are closer to home, even residential.
01:40:03.000So, in fact, it doesn't make any sense to beam those jobs to India, because there is a way to do them here, which is enormously wonderful for a workforce that literally cannot get in a car and commute an hour into Nashville or Knoxville or, you know, Tampa or Orlando.
01:40:20.000Because they have to take care of, and it's certainly much more economic for society to have them care for their family members than to try and institutionalize that.
01:40:30.000So if you look at the fundamental economics, you'll see again and again, and I saw this, I served as the Assistant Secretary of Housing, and I would often see communities where we were spending $250,000 per unit to construct public housing, When 50,000 would buy and rehab a single-family home.
01:40:50.000So we were paying five times per unit of what we needed to.
01:40:55.000And in fact, in the Clinton administration, I took that example.
01:41:00.000In fact, it was New Orleans where this situation, the fact pattern, was just outrageous.
01:41:07.000I took it to the assistant of the person who ran that program at HUD.
01:41:11.000And I said, look, if we just re-engineered the money, we could get five homes for the price of one.
01:41:16.000The person turned bright red and looked at me and said, but how could we generate fees for our friends?
01:41:21.000So, when there's a bubble going on, Jason, everybody's happy to generate fees for our friends.
01:41:27.000You know, when you turn to people and say, your children can't have healthcare because there's not enough money, it's time to look at 50 years of accumulated fees for our friends and say, you know, maybe we need to re-engineer how things work.
01:41:43.000We've had decades of computers and new technology, and yet the overhead costs of fundamental government projects have skyrocketed exponentially, and that's because we are subsidizing a huge infrastructure, the biggest piece of which is these big corporations, because you give a big corporation a government contract, and you drive their stock up.
01:42:08.000You know, capital gains on stock market real estate is the primary source of political contribution.
01:42:14.000And it starts, though, in your own county saying, okay, let me get control of my local representatives, whether it's my sheriff or town council or state representative, make sure we have excellent people in office, but then let's look at the money and let's look at where we're paying five times of what is needed, and where we cannot re-engineer the money.
01:42:37.000We're going to open up the phone lines for Catherine Austin Fitz in just a moment, but first I want to get your take on gold being at a record high today.
01:42:59.000Are we going to see it go up above $1,300, $1,400, maybe even hit $1,500?
01:43:04.000Where do you see gold and precious metals going?
01:43:07.000If you go back and you look at the high in 1980 before the current high, and you say, okay, gold traded at $800, even above, but the close was $800.
01:43:28.000If we were going to say, OK, how much was that in inflation in just the dollars, because Enormous inflation from 1980 until now, so it's over 30 years of inflation.
01:43:38.000But in current dollars, what was that?
01:43:42.000Depending on who calculates it and what series they use.
01:43:46.000Do they use a government series or, for example, John William Shadow Stats has redone the government numbers.
01:43:53.000So do we use the more reliable numbers like Jones for the CPI and the inflation?
01:44:02.000What would $800 be in current dollars?
01:44:04.000You get estimates of anywhere from $2,500 to $7,500.
01:44:11.000And so what we're looking at today with a price of approximately $1,200 is something that is less than 50% of where the high was in 1980.
01:44:21.000So on an inflation-adjusted basis, Jason, we're nowhere near the high.
01:44:27.000Number two, the challenge we have with precious metals Is that it's a very tiny market relative to the global stock or bond markets.
01:44:37.000I mean, the global bond market is huge, and then you add derivatives.
01:44:41.000So, if a tiny bit of money decides it wants to shift into precious metals, you're talking about enormous pressure to drive the price up.
01:44:51.000Now, we've seen over the last 15 years real intervention by the central banks and government treasuries to drive and manage the price down.
01:45:00.000That's really a way to protect the bond market and sort of the inflated values of global currencies, particularly the dollar.
01:45:09.000More and more investors are beginning to understand that game.
01:45:12.000One of the things that has always threatened the market was the overhang of gold that the IMF has said that it was willing to sell.
01:45:22.000The IMF is beginning, instead of just threatening sales, they have approved sales.
01:45:27.000But that overhang is going very quickly into central banks, which are snapping it up.
01:45:33.000And if you say to yourself, look, if central banks and institutional investors and retail investors are going to start to move into this very, very thin market, it doesn't take much incremental change in percentage of market share to drive the price through the roof.
01:45:49.000So, the long-term fundamentals on precious metals are very, very strong.
01:45:58.000And number two, it is very important to remember that this is an extremely political market and a very, you know, there's an economic war going on in the middle of this market.
01:46:11.000So we're looking at prices that are extremely volatile.
01:46:14.000And it's very important to recognize, yes, we have a long-term bull market.
01:46:20.000My guess is that there is a great distance to go.
01:46:26.000But you have to be very careful, because in the short term we're going to get wild swings, and it's important for a retail investor to not do anything in this market where they could get caught by those swings.
01:46:39.000So before anybody sort of tiptoes into these waters, just make sure you understand what you've got going and be prepared to stick in it for the long haul.
01:46:50.000One of the things that could end all of this is when a new global currency It goes into effect and it's really working.
01:46:59.000And that will diminish the need for using precious metals as sort of a global currency.
01:47:07.000This reflects not only that need, but the distrust that everybody has in government.
01:47:13.000So we're really watching a deterioration in the quality of sovereign government credits worldwide.
01:47:20.000So I think this goes on for a long time.
01:47:22.000You just want to be really careful because we're talking about something that will price in very volatile ways against your local currency.
01:47:30.000All right, let's go to the phone lines.
01:48:06.000I'm just ignorant of the status of the lawsuit occasionally.
01:48:08.000heard anything about whether or not uh philberg has filed an injunction to keep obama from going and finding the copenhagen treaty and what do you think about it i don't know um i don't know i i'm just ignorant of the status of lawsuit occasionally you know i'm like anybody
01:48:29.000i'll read things on the internet but i really am not current and i don't think that there's anything actually going on in regards to the Copenhagen Treaty due to that.
01:48:53.000Catherine, nice to hear you in the daytime instead of the middle of the night.
01:48:57.000Would you spend a few minutes talking about One of the alternative currencies, you know, I think that's the only way that we're going to get out of this mess.
01:49:05.000Something like along the lines of Ithaca Hours or, you know, some of the others that have been established.
01:49:11.000And I know you know a little bit about that, so can you address that?
01:49:16.000I think there are a number of ways that we can start to transact both locally and in our networks.
01:49:25.000And the important thing to understand is it needs to be built In a very granular way, which gives energy to the people in the short term within a community.
01:49:37.000One of the challenges of community currencies is that if you organize them as a sort of new legal structure and make them complicated, they can be very expensive and time-consuming.
01:49:50.000And I'm a believer in the just-do-it method.
01:49:56.000One is the idea of using your gold and silver coins as just a medium of exchange.
01:50:03.000If you go to our website at solari.com, Franklin Sanders of the Money Changer and I have created a little application, which we're about to redevelop and roll out a new one in 2010, called the Gold and Silver Payment Calculator, and it allows you to translate back and forth between dollars You know, let's say you want to pay somebody $100.
01:50:25.000You can use the calculator to very quickly calculate in silver and gold coins what it would take to pay that amount.
01:50:32.000So, the first thing, I'm going to suggest three things, but the first is just start using your gold and silver coins to transact.
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01:54:14.000If you missed any of the program, remember, following the broadcast, the podcast is available at InfoWars.com.
01:54:19.000Three great guests today, Jim O'Neill, Gary Lachman, Catherine Austin-Fitz, and of course, Alex Jones joined us for the better part of an hour.
01:54:28.000Catherine, you were just talking about what currencies you could get into.
01:54:31.000You said, you know, use your silver and gold coins as currencies, but you had two other points you wanted to make.
01:54:37.000Sure, and this is the, you know, how do we start currencies?
01:54:41.000The second is, there's a wonderful association called IRDA.
01:54:44.000It's the International Association Related to Barter Networks.
01:54:49.000In your community, it is likely that you already have a barter network set up that could use some support.
01:54:55.000And there is a great deal that can be done through barter networks, both locally and their network globally.
01:55:02.000So, you know, you can end up getting your Your tour package to Scotland for the holidays through your local barter network.
01:55:11.000So check out the IRTA website and find the local barter network or networks in your place and start to see if there aren't ways you can use it.
01:55:18.000A lot of times you'll find businesses report as much as a 10% increase in sales that come about by their use of barter.
01:55:27.000So there's a lot of opportunities, but we need to start, just build from the infrastructure that's there.
01:55:34.000Finally, there's a real opportunity, as Chris said, to explore exchanging or trading or using hours, just using hours among neighbors and friends and businesses, but then going to a more formal system of trading our time and trading hours that makes an awful lot of sense to explore.
01:55:59.000It starts with really talking to other people in your community, whether it's your neighbor or other small businesses, about how you can help each other save time or lower your expenses.
01:56:08.000So it really starts with socializing and communication and just exploring the ideas.
01:56:14.000If you can start to have more reciprocal relationships and connections, then you can move to a system of really trading hours, and there's lots of information on the website now.
01:56:24.000I will say one of the most interesting statistics, Jason, is during the Great Depression, there were over 3,200 local currencies in America.
01:56:33.000Do you think there'll be a revival in that?
01:56:38.000So this is something that we're going to return and be doing this again.
01:56:45.000And so it absolutely makes sense to spend time, but start with what you know, whether it's your gold and silver coins, barter networks in your community.
01:56:53.000Just getting to know more people in your neighborhood and seeing where you can't trade time.
01:56:58.000You know, just where I live in a very rural community, so we're always offering to help each other.
01:57:03.000I'm going into town, what can I pick up for you?
01:57:06.000Alright, final caller, Noel in Illinois.
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