On today's show, we have a special guest, Damon Vickers, who is a pundit on CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, Barron's, and Investor's Business Daily. He also heads up Nine Points Capital Partners and is a regular contributor to the Financial Times. He has been on the radio show for over 20 years, and has been a contributor on the Wall Street Journal, CNBC, and other media outlets. He is also the author of the best selling book, "The Devil Next Door" and the host of the long-running radio show, The Vickers Report.
00:00:02.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
00:00:09.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:14.000Well, there is the cover of the Drudge Report.
00:00:18.000We'll put it back up on screen for folks, for people who want to see it.
00:00:22.000Big Sis wants to see Under Your Clothes.
00:00:27.000Yes, yes, the complete Orwellian society arrives and Homeland Security announces they want mobile naked body scanners, brain scanners on the streets, football games, high school, college, NFL, Kentucky Derby.
00:00:43.000You want to go anywhere in public, you're going to be humiliated and a biometric 360 naked body scan is going to be made.
00:00:51.000And Obama is ordering an additional $1 billion in naked body scanners.
00:00:56.000According to the Toledo Blade today, and here's the Associated Press, mind-reading systems could change air security.
00:01:10.000This is just another way to interrogate you and claim that you're a thought criminal.
00:01:15.000We literally are living in a nightmare Buck Rogers society.
00:01:19.000But we're not flying around with silver jetpacks, no.
00:01:23.000All the technology is being used to enslave humanity.
00:01:27.000The good news is, the head of American Airlines says he doesn't want the naked body scanners and they don't work, and points out what security experts have already said, the underwear bomber on Christmas Day was brought through security, they had naked body scanners in the Amsterdam airport, they weren't used, and they wouldn't even have detected his underwear bomb, the large firecracker he had in his pants.
00:01:56.000You know, in the history books, how did America end?
00:01:58.000How did we become a high-tech police state?
00:02:00.000How did Americans let them naked body scan their children, their wives, their husbands?
00:02:03.000Oh, somebody had a firecracker on an airplane.
00:02:06.000Land of the coward, home of the slaves.
00:02:08.000You know, when the wind blows, the American people slit their wrists and worship government and just scream, oh God, we love you government, take all our rights away.
00:02:17.000So, we're going to be breaking that down today.
00:02:19.000We have Damon Vickers, who is Syndicated radio host in his own right.
00:02:26.000He is a pundit on CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, Barron's, Investors Business Daily.
00:02:34.000He heads up Nine Points Capital Partners and the website is npm.us, ninepointsmanagement.us.
00:02:44.000So, npm.us, and he's with us for the Balance of the Hour.
00:02:50.000I agree with him a lot about gold being a good investment, the dollar being in trouble, world government being established.
00:02:55.000I don't agree with him that we have too many people, and we'll debate that some of the day.
00:02:59.000Some of our listeners really liked Mr. Vickers on his economic views, didn't like him on his population views, but he is back with us due to popular demand, and we appreciate Mr. Vickers joining us.
00:03:15.000You run a great show, and I have to say that I purchased your Fall of the Republic and New World Order movies, and I watched them thoroughly, and I watched I think one of them at least twice, and they're well done, and they're thought-provoking, and I think for a society and a world at large that spends too many hours per day comatose, DVDs like that and content like that can really wake people up, and they're great.
00:03:44.000And you also noticed something that I hadn't noticed in New World Order that I consulted on and I'm in, but it's not my film, though my name is on the back of it.
00:03:52.000They just did that for promotion purposes, I guess.
00:03:54.000Infowars.com is there as one of the producers for some reason.
00:03:59.000But it's like an honorary degree or something.
00:04:02.000But I'm driving around on the radio and tuning into your radio show as they're interviewing me.
00:04:08.000And so there's a snip of you in New World Order.
00:04:11.000So certainly, certainly a strange coincidence.
00:04:14.000That's strange, yeah, especially with the New World Order thing, yeah.
00:04:18.000Well, I mean, that was years... I don't do a radio show anymore, but there was a time that I was on about 45 stations, five days a week, for two to three hours a day, and during that period between 2000 and 2003, When the NASDAQ was collapsing, I spent a good part of my radio show bashing the CNBCs and the Bush administration and the like.
00:04:43.000So the trend was certainly down, and there were cheerleaders for a collapsing market, and I wasn't one of them.
00:04:51.000Now, Damon, briefly tell us a little bit about your business operation and some of its success because, you know, that's really why we have you here is because you've been one of the most accurate and successful people out there in predicting where things are going.
00:05:06.000Well, I run a fund, and we also run a private wealth side.
00:05:10.000Our fund, Nine Points Capital Partners, had a fantastic year in 2008.
00:05:16.0002008 was arguably one of the worst years in market history, with trillions of dollars of value being wiped out, and our fund rose by 63% that year, which is a pretty good thing.
00:05:29.000So, we made money in a bear market, and more than a little.
00:05:33.000Also, if you take a look at the 2000-2003 period, we were short during that whole duration as well.
00:05:41.000And when 9-11 hit, we were 100% short.
00:05:46.000Not because I had inside information or anything like that, but because the trend was very decidedly down.
00:05:51.000And that's something that we believe that news, that we can't necessarily always know what the news can be.
00:05:58.000We can monitor what the trends are, what the societal trends are.
00:06:02.000I think you do a great job at that, Alex.
00:06:05.000But the news tends to reinforce Whatever our positions usually are, if the trend is either up or down.
00:06:17.000And so, I think that gives us an edge as investors.
00:06:21.000Other investors are more attached to what they think they know, where they're worrying about the future, but they're not really living in the present.
00:06:27.000And that's something that we don't do.
00:06:29.000Living in the present is what we do here at Nine Points Management Research and at Nine Points Capital.
00:06:37.000Okay, I want to get into the economy and what you see in the year 2010 with Damon Vickers.
00:06:43.000But first, let's go back to the controversy of the last time you were on with us three months ago.
00:06:48.000You were talking about Your view on world overpopulation and that, you know, something must be done about it.
00:06:58.000And from my research, that's really the governing push for world government, according to the UN's own statements, is to set up a planetary government, as the White House science czar has said, To order a one-child policy.
00:07:11.000The UN a few weeks ago at Copenhagen called for a global one-child policy.
00:07:16.000The Communist Chinese called for that.
00:07:18.000There have been editorials all over the newspapers and on TV calling for, in fact the BBC says, should we bring back rationing today?
00:07:28.000I have that article right here for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers.
00:07:31.000Well, I mean, I'm glad you brought up the Chinese.
00:07:39.000What is your real view on world population, and how do you substantiate that we're overpopulated, and what do you say we do then?
00:07:48.000Well, I mean, I'm glad you brought up the Chinese, because, you know, when we think of the Chinese, they were a country and a society that was so enmeshed in malaise.
00:08:02.000You know, they'd had some very, you know, austere programs under Mao and a rejection of their emperor system and all that.
00:08:10.000And they went to that one-child system.
00:08:15.000And I think it was a good part of their, quote, economic First, I mean, people never thought the Chinese could get themselves together.
00:08:24.000People would always talk about China as a region of the world that had promise.
00:08:29.000You know, Wrigley Gum would get a contract to sell gum in China, and then I remember the conversation with some guy down in Texas, and him saying, well, think about all those billions of Chinese chewing on Wrigley Gum.
00:08:42.000So when the stock went up, you know, it was $3, $4, $5 that day when they got that contract.
00:08:46.000But they as a country have turned things around economically.
00:09:38.000When the sun sets on a large part of the planet, and we're looking at the Earth from space, you ever seen those pictures of the planet where the lights are everywhere?
00:09:45.000We see lights, especially around the coastlines.
00:09:48.000Especially around the coastlines, but also the cities, and then the Northeast in particular, and the Caribbean, and Puerto Rico, and there isn't much of the world that we haven't lit up.
00:09:59.000And really, Probably because we're afraid.
00:10:02.000That's why we have all the lights on, because we're biological creatures, and we're afraid of the dark.
00:10:08.000Fear is a large element of what we as humans still face, and it's, as you point out all the time, fear has been a very effective means of controlling a population who is fear-based.
00:10:21.000We're so afraid of what goes bump in the night, and of things that we're not, and people that look different than us.
00:10:27.000We do have in regions of the world an imbalance of population relative to what the resources can support.
00:10:40.000And you take a look at places in Africa where that is the case, South America where that's the case, and in particular the Caribbean, and increasingly in the Middle East.
00:10:51.000And these are areas where you have a lot of tribal societies, nomadic peoples, and Indian societies and tribal cultures in Africa that have had the benefit, and I say that really sarcastically, they've had the benefit of Western-influenced or missionaries or do-gooders Or, you know, grand social involvement by the Peace Corps, or whatever it is, to try to help them out.
00:11:22.000In fact, to the extent that we've been involved in Africa or South America to try to mitigate poverty or disease or suffering, we have only compounded the problem and geometrically increased the level of suffering faced by But, Damon, I have the Royal Commission on Population.
00:11:41.000I have State Department Memorandum 200.
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00:13:45.0002237 extension 134 that's 800-686-2237 extension 134 800-686-2237 extension 134 hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone This is our last chance to not relive history.
00:14:11.000That we're pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
00:14:14.000We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
00:14:21.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.
00:14:26.000For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.
00:18:03.000We're going to go in and stop industrialization through the IMF and World Bank as a political tool and let the people bomb actually hold them back.
00:18:12.000So my problem is the UN says they want world government to reduce population, which you can argue we have too many or too less or whatever.
00:18:19.000When I say it's a non-issue, we need clean technologies.
00:18:23.000I mean, I could go on for 10 hours with all the evidence.
00:18:26.000It's a non-issue to scare everybody into resource wars, artificially making water and other things scarce.
00:18:34.000You go down to the Caribbean, Alex, and it's not a non-issue.
00:18:38.000I mean, you can see it clearly playing out right there.
00:19:31.000And since our planet is actually of a limited size, if we continue to expand like we have, we don't have much of a world left that's worth enjoying.
00:19:40.000And I don't really care for asphalt and subdivisions, and I don't think that's progress.
00:19:45.000That's not a world that's actually very attractive.
00:20:06.000After the banks have all bankrupted us by design... If individuals on a global basis, Alex, are unable to make responsible decisions, then of course global government will likely step in and begin making those decisions for them.
00:20:19.000If the United States is unable to make rational, realistic decisions about its debt and its consumption, about its me-me-me right to consume The banks created the false debt system to take over!
00:21:05.000But I'm sure you also have other research that says that they genetically engineer viruses and that they could do population control by genetically engineering viruses as well.
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00:25:20.000Our websites are infowars.com and prisonplanet.com.
00:25:25.000And I want to talk about a host of other issues in the time we have left with Damon.
00:25:28.000I didn't mean to get stuck on the whole population agenda.
00:25:32.000My point is, whether you believe we're overpopulated or not, the globalists have actually moved to keep the third world in poverty and cause the people bomb, while they're then always selling eugenics and population and one-child policies in the West.
00:25:48.000And if you really study eugenics, it's not what is publicly taught about improving the race, improving intelligence.
00:25:54.000It's actually targeting the most intelligent that aren't part of the elites.
00:26:00.000They call it, you know, the random genetics out there that threatens the global elite's hegemonic empire.
00:26:07.000And I just morally cannot sign on to China and forced abortion and infanticide and killing babies.
00:26:13.000And Damon, I don't think if I took you to China and put you in front of a woman...
00:26:20.000And if it's about keeping the globalist hegemony intact and the Rothschilds and the Bilderbergers and keeping that fine genetic line intact, the truth is that those lines and families, there are real problems with those people.
00:26:36.000I mean, when you don't intermix family's genetic code or you have too much marrying amongst cousins, you get some kind of strange outcomes.
00:26:45.000You get people that are manic depressive, suicidal.
00:27:21.000You need to have a, you have a healthier gene.
00:27:23.000But what I'm asking is, then why do you agree, and I wasn't saying you agree with forced abortion in China, I'm saying I, I can't, well, then you have to be against the policy.
00:27:34.000I'm against a world and countries and individuals that think that they can act haphazardly and recklessly without there being some responsibility to their fellow beings, whether that be animals or plant life or human beings.
00:27:53.000If Europe and the United States and Japan are having on average 1.3 children, which doesn't replace mommy and daddy, we don't need food rationing and one-child policies in America.
00:28:06.000Well, we don't need it in America, but at this point, America doesn't support itself anyway.
00:28:29.000So, as a fund manager, I have to think about how I'm going to make money from that, because I have investors and people that I have to report to that want to see capital gains.
00:28:42.000So, I can't determine the direction of the world, Alex.
00:28:48.000That we don't want a world, move into a world that it's a police state whereby it's very negative and dark.
00:28:57.000However, we do need, I think shown, that this experiment called democracy has had unintended consequences and has not really made the American people really all that free.
00:29:13.000Although they have the illusion of free.
00:29:15.000We don't have a howling mob of democracy.
00:29:41.000We're going to get some, probably even worse, Republican later.
00:29:45.000And then an even worse Democrat after that.
00:29:47.000As everything goes downhill, what do you see happening economically, politically, in the next 24 months in the United States?
00:29:55.000Well, you bring up a good point between the Republicans and the Democrats.
00:29:59.000I certainly hope that we actually don't swim back to a Republican, and perhaps we have the type of environment where maybe you get somebody that's not aligned, that's not a part of a fantasy of a Democrat or Republican.
00:30:13.000And yes, both the Democrats and both the Republicans.
00:30:17.000Are controlled entities, and they're controlled entities by either family interests, in the case of the Tyson family, or the Stevens Investment Bank, or others.
00:30:57.000And increasingly we don't have a means or an ability to pay it off.
00:31:01.000But neither does much of the rest of the westernized world.
00:31:04.000And that debt is mounting and it's accumulating.
00:31:07.000But it's fiat debt made up out of nothing so that the speculators can take over the planet.
00:31:14.000I don't know what they're going to... If the whole world is wrecked financially, I don't know what the benefit of... What would they be taking over?
00:31:37.000You could also, look, if I wreck you economically, Alex, we'll say Alex Jones is a country, and I wreck you economically, and then I get to take you over.
00:31:55.000The globalists take over strong countries and then use them to exploit the neighbor and wage war and covert destabilizations.
00:32:03.000On a larger scale, though, you could say that our democratic system, in the way that it's based upon allowing everybody to kind of get what they want, and when people get elected and they're beholden to all these special interests, that by the time it's all done with, you've just amassed all this debt because you've had to pay off all the people that got you elected.
00:32:25.000Because big government isn't real free market.
00:32:28.000It allows that crony monopoly capitalism and then they buy off the howling mob, the horde, to then finally loot the middle class that was left and then everything collapses.
00:32:45.000And we are likely in the process of that happening again.
00:32:49.000And neither you nor I can likely do much to change that natural course of direction.
00:32:55.000But what we can do is try to position ourselves financially and try to position ourselves and our families so that we survive and seek to thrive and prosper in the environment that we have.
00:33:11.000I mean, I work for a better world, but I also position myself to be in the best possible position.
00:33:16.000And knowing what's coming in the future, I've been very successful.
00:33:20.000And these other fools that think buying mainstream television, which is meant to deceive them and to tie them up in false realities, is meant to neutralize them and keep them out of the game, the average yuppie thinks it's cool to spout off the party line of the system, thinking they're smart, like some mindless parrot That's been, you know, taught to repeat something.
00:33:45.000That the fantasies that we might have of bashing liberals or bashing conservatives is a game that we play against each other and it's just ridiculous and it's just so utterly retarded.
00:34:49.000I really do, because the person inside me that says that he doesn't want to live in the future, and he doesn't want to live in the past, but wants to be present in the moment, doesn't like to make projections.
00:34:58.000However, taking a look at where the moment is, and where we're likely headed, what are we looking at?
00:35:04.000Dollar continues to look weaker, because they continue to have to print money.
00:36:49.000In terms of natural gas, you know, it's just the trend on natural gas, Alex, has just been A bottomless pit, and it was seemingly cheap at every point along the way down.
00:37:05.000It seemed cheap at $25 until it hit $15 and $10 and $5 and $3 and $0.97.
00:37:11.000And natural gas has been kind of trending like that.
00:37:14.000However, you do have the feel-good environmentalist saying that they'd love to see the world more powered with natural gas, including T. Boone Pickens.
00:37:24.000but it has not materialized in prices.
00:37:27.000So, all I can say about natural gas is the trend is still down.
00:37:32.000Okay, and again, your company is Nine Points Capital Partners.
00:38:46.000As for the body scanners, I mean, I don't know.
00:38:47.000I mean, it makes me pretty nervous though, Alex.
00:38:49.000I mean, do you have any concern about the possibility?
00:38:53.000I mean, you do want them to try to do everything they can to try to keep people from doing stupid things like blowout patches in airplanes.
00:39:02.000Damon, we can't give up our whole way of life because somebody might blow up an airplane.
00:39:07.000The body scanners wouldn't even protect it against that.
00:39:09.000It has all the earmarks of being a staged event.
00:39:12.000I don't want to march my daughters or your daughters through the naked body scanners that are recorded and saved by the government so they can then have your biometric ID and scan you from a distance.
00:39:21.000They've now admitted today that is what they're planning.
00:39:24.000Let's talk about that for a second, the biometrics, and this is an area that we've been involved with over the years, and that the interface, the human interface between person and machine is disintegrating at such a rapid, fast rate that we are likely to hasten the RFID and the chip arrival and the tracking of human beings.
00:39:53.000That's likely to really continue to hasten and accelerate, I would say, in the next couple of years.
00:39:59.000It's just that much more efficient to track people.
00:40:01.000But we need to say no to this because we do not have a loving global corporate system.
00:40:09.000Well, I'm not sure the government, what you can do ultimately about people's independent free will, and I guess that's where you need those thought scanners to kick in.
00:40:20.000And from an investment standpoint, there are probably some investors that would love to see an investment cycle in such an industry, because we've virtually had a- But I could invest with bank robbers!
00:40:42.000Federal government, Raw Story reports, 12% of kids sexually abused by the government in custody.
00:40:50.000I mean, the government is filled statistically with more scum.
00:40:54.000We've got TSA running around having delusional breakdowns saying they're God and LAX.
00:40:59.000I mean, you know, big government always hurts people.
00:41:03.000I can't disagree with the fact that a high percentage of people that find themselves desirous to be, quote, corrections officers and or police have a sadistic bent, perhaps, and that's why they pursue jobs like that.
00:41:25.000The police know that about themselves.
00:41:28.000But the public's taught through the culture, oh no, the police aren't sadistic and you need to let them just run wild and do whatever they want and keep us safe from underwear bombers.
00:41:52.000But to really wake people up, it mostly takes events.
00:41:56.000Because people are spectators, and most people are not independent thinkers, Alex.
00:42:00.000And most of the global population will never be made up of people that are independent thinkers.
00:42:06.000Most people on the planet are followers, and they are sheep.
00:42:12.000Damon, this is what I always hear from high-powered people, like you grew up around the Rockefellers and people.
00:42:18.000I, through life, have run into a lot of these people, and they'll say, they'll say off-record, the people are slaves, they want to be slaves, all you can do is protect yourself, Mr. Jones, and you ought to join us, because the horde of people out there want to tear you apart.
00:42:31.000But that's the rationale to then do all these evil things, because just because the general public's evil, doesn't mean that I have to become evil.
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00:46:22.000Hi Alex, my question is a little bit off the wall for your topic that you've been speaking about, but I'm curious to find out if you've heard on the 26th of this month of Obama having to report his birth certificate to a federal court.
00:46:36.000No, I haven't heard about that, Sam, and I appreciate your call.
00:46:39.000I mean, I think I think there's something to it.
00:47:23.000Just get these quick points out of the way.
00:47:25.000My perspective is a little unique because I come from, my father was in Air Force Intelligence for 18 years, stationed in Philippines, Colorado Springs, worked for NSA and just traveling around the country, settling here in Austin.
00:47:39.000What I did realize is, after listening to you especially, that there is something more going on.
00:47:44.000What I would like to say is, if we utilize the blessings of advanced technology to improve and sustain the lives of the whole population, there's water generators, solar power generators, can help bring fresh water, electricity to the poor.
00:47:56.000That's right, but the elite are suppressing a lot of that and creating monopolies for their own power.
00:48:01.000Let's get comments from Damon Vickers on this.
00:48:04.000Well, I don't think you need to bring any more water to the poor to mitigate their suffering, because I believe you compound it.
00:48:13.000There will always be a large part of the global population that is poor of the have-nots.
00:49:13.000But when you leave them alone, they have even more kids.
00:49:17.000No, they don't, because you can only run so fast away from the lions.
00:49:22.000You can't take ten kids and run away from the lions and the hoarding hyenas, or else they're going to be eaten.
00:49:28.000That's why the population was imbalanced.
00:49:30.000This sounds like social Darwinism, Vickers.
00:49:37.000I think, I think, uh, I think nature had a, had a, had a, there was a lot more balance in places like Africa and South America before... Barry Malthusian, they said that in the 1750s.
00:49:52.000Okay, if you take a flight from Austin to Denver, Colorado, and you're a few thousand feet up, you can see and realize how big our world really is.
00:50:02.000And now, in my opinion, there's a genocide against global middle class, especially against the U.S.
00:50:07.000here, and that's why I plan on running as a rep for Texas State District 46 against Donna Dukes and other corrupt officials, because that's where it starts.
00:53:05.000The releases were pretty good to counter the greenhouse warming.
00:53:11.000I mean, in a larger context, everything that happens on the planet is natural, including pollution, because it all comes from here.
00:53:19.000But we may or may not have operative processes that are acting against us.
00:53:25.000I don't think you can dispute the fact that increasingly there are large segments of the world that are being polluted by our activities at the lakes and the rivers and the streams.
00:53:35.000But they're not doing anything about that.
00:54:10.000A large segment of the third world was westernized too soon, and the consequences have been imbalances globally.
00:54:17.000But Damon, aren't you openly saying that global government is going to be the solution to what you believe is overpopulation?
00:54:25.000I think global government will ultimately be the solution that the world chooses as a desire to solve its problems.
00:54:35.000Well, that's why we have you here, because... Individual states and countries will have to surrender a large part of their free will, and quote your term, sovereignty, to a global government.
00:54:47.000Because the bankers set up internal banking scams to take them over.
00:55:29.000The world government's coming in and taking them over.
00:55:31.000You just said countries had to give up their sovereignty.
00:55:34.000Our countries will likely have to give up some of their sovereignty in order to be salvaged, basically.
00:55:40.000But in terms of individualized cultures, no, individualized cultures should definitely Well, the average third-worlder is having four children.
00:56:10.000Europe wasn't the case, but in the case of the third world and Africa, yes, the arrival of westernized man into those areas was utterly tragic.
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01:00:06.000What's really going on is the globalists wreck the third world, which isn't hard to do.
01:00:20.000They play different tribal groups off against each other.
01:00:22.000This is in their own documents we've listed here.
01:00:28.000They then export large portions of the third world population to the first world.
01:00:34.000Get them on welfare through multiculturalism, turn them against the domestic population, and use the imported poor to wage war against the middle class.
01:00:58.000And we saw this with Copenhagen, where they promised Western money for the third world, but really it was take the West's money, take the third world's money, and give it to the banks.
01:02:50.000And I don't think in the future population is really going to be a problem.
01:02:56.000And population, as you've said before, is going to level off.
01:03:01.000And it'll be a natural occurrence of events.
01:03:04.000There's countries that you can go to, our neighbor, like Mexico, everybody used to have five, six, seven, eight children.
01:03:11.000Immigrants who came to America, particularly from Italy as an example, and Ireland, they used to have lots of children.
01:03:21.000Instead of having three or four, five, six, now families are having two, maybe one and a half.
01:03:28.000And that's happening in most societies that want to advance, they realize that it's a handful paying for and clothing and making sure that the children get the best education possible so they can be successful in life.
01:03:46.000So it's happening all over the world and I think in some sections of the third world it might continue to be a problem.
01:03:55.000More of a problem than it is elsewhere.
01:03:57.000But we certainly don't have forced abortions and nerve gas people and put bioweapons in there, which they've been doing.
01:06:21.000And, you know, there's something intrinsically wrong with people who want to amalgamate people and put them into serfdom and have this so-called intelligentsia that knows better than the public does what's good for them.
01:07:06.000Well, they only allow the immigrant populations to have their racial identity and the Ford Foundation and others globally fund hatred of the West, but that's only because in this stage of the game, the controllers, the intelligentsia, are directing these giant hordes of people as weapons.
01:07:26.000Immigrants riot in Italy amid racial unrest.
01:07:29.000Thousands of immigrants protested against racism.
01:07:33.000When it's Africa that's invaded Italy over and over again.
01:07:36.000In a southern Italian town on Friday, after a night of rioting, in one of Italy's worst episodes of racial unrest in years, dozens of Africans in several cities smashed car windows with steel bars, stones, and set cars and rubbish bins on fire.
01:07:51.000Police said at least one car was attacked by passengers inside, several of whom were injured.
01:08:54.000You know, when the Western powers were in Africa, Well, that's the old British model of take your flag down, but control your puppets and the people will take ten times the abuse.
01:09:30.000You know, the British were the largest colonizers in Africa, and they did bring law, order, development, and they took that piece of the action as well.
01:09:44.000But, you know, and having lived there, the process worked well for the local people.
01:09:52.000I mean, prior to them coming, They just had one war after another.
01:09:57.000All of Africa has descended into hell.
01:09:59.000The crime rate is up several thousand percent in South Africa, but the media won't talk about it.
01:10:06.000And now we have one of the Italian members of parliament is in trouble, the New York Times says, because he said, quote, we've tolerated all this illegal immigration all these years.
01:10:20.000See, the politicians aren't even allowed to tell the truth, because this process of destroying the West must accelerate, just as the empires have destroyed the third world, because that makes them more easy to manage.
01:10:31.000And you use a third world population to blow out the economy, drive down wages, you get them on welfare as a voting bloc that takes over the country.
01:10:40.000We get the same thing in the United States with the illegal immigration.
01:10:45.000They drove down wages, there's no question about that.
01:10:48.000And of course they've used the public facilities, and that's cost the people of the United States quite a bit of money.
01:10:54.000Especially in states that have large amounts of illegal aliens.
01:10:59.000And the bankers love that because we're even in deeper debt to them.
01:11:04.000And now they want to bring him into the system so they can charge him Social Security and taxation and so on and so forth.
01:11:11.000I mean, in this new bill, it talks about the cost of serving the illegal immigrant community.
01:11:19.000Remember, they promised to pull that out, but it's in there and just incredible.
01:11:24.000When we come back, I want to get into some info you want to talk about with the Greenies, the Copenhagen fraud, the climate gate and trouble.
01:11:31.000Then I want to get into where you see gold, silver, the economy going.
01:11:34.000I want to get into the naked body scanners, a host of issues with our guest.
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01:13:33.000You know the government isn't looking out for you.
01:16:39.000Right, John O'Sullivan, legal advocate, is Who has for several years litigated government corruption cases in both Britain and the United States, is going to be filing, and he's in league with a top fraud lawyer named Joel Hench of Hench & Associates.
01:17:06.000And the tack that they're taking, and incidentally there's another fellow here, Who's involved with Mr. O'Sullivan, who is a former Central Intelligence Agency agent named Ken, Ken, Kent, K-E-N-T, Clisby.
01:17:25.000And what they're trying to do is get some of the co-workers at Penn State to substantiate the emails that were discovered between Michael Mann, who is a professor... But Mann admits he wrote it!
01:17:49.000And if they can get substantiation, what will happen is the government will try to recoup.
01:17:56.000And I think the figure is $23 million that they plunge... Yeah, they're going after the fraud of these universities getting massive federal grants off of scamming.
01:18:09.000And they want the money back, and when they get the money back, they share it with the people who said, yeah, he did that, he said that, and, you know, he said the whole thing was a scam, that sort of thing.
01:18:23.000And that's what they're looking for, and that's the tactic taken for openers.
01:18:27.000I don't know about criminal proceedings, but there should be.
01:18:33.000Unfortunately, very often there isn't.
01:18:36.000The government's more interested in retrieving money than they are putting people away because one is good because they get their money back because they made a mistake.
01:18:48.000On the other hand, if you put people in jail, it costs them $40,000, $50,000 a year.
01:18:52.000And so they would really rather get the money.
01:19:25.000And we bleated and yelled and screamed and said, why hasn't anybody sued Now these are the institutions that bought this bogus paper and then finally we're starting to see lawsuits by labor unions, funds, states who have been built.
01:20:22.000They had no collateral to back up their bet so to speak they were the bookmaker taking the bet and all of the recipients who were involved in doing business with AIG because of the the bankruptcy they were left out in the cold $112.4 billion and if they're not paid back which they haven't been that will destroy confidence in the system exactly so
01:20:46.000So what the Fed did is they created the money out of thin air, ran it through AIG, and they said, look, you guys keep your mouth shut, because if you open it, we'll destroy you.
01:21:06.000And so now you've got a whole bunch of people involved.
01:21:09.000And I think Timothy Geithner is toast.
01:21:12.000Because he was with the New York Fed at the time, and he was the guy that said, look, you gotta keep your mouth shut.
01:21:17.000Because we can't let the American public know that everybody's getting paid off, and the taxpayer is paying for it.
01:21:24.000Well, that's like when Bank of America said we were told to shut up and take the money, Geithner tried to deny it, and then Bank of America just released the audio.
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01:24:59.000Day after day, alone on a hill, the man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly Okay, by early next week, I will get the three contest rules written up.
01:25:26.000Our three contests expose the naked body scanners.
01:25:29.000And I did see, after we talked about it, people in England protesting naked.
01:25:35.000They did it before we even talked about it or thought of it ourselves, separately.
01:25:39.000People to protest naked to illustrate to the world that you are being recorded naked.
01:25:45.000You know, something extreme to get media attention.
01:25:48.000Extreme things happening, take extreme measures.
01:25:51.000Because they're going to make you be scanned naked and lose your privacy and be humiliated to train you to accept all this if we don't say no and stand up against this.
01:26:04.000But I told you two or three days ago when I first talked about that, that that isn't the official contest.
01:26:08.000We're just thinking of ideas of things that would get media attention and point out how horrible this is.
01:26:17.000The more I think about it though, I'm not going to have a contest specifically where we say, you know, whoever has the best topless protest.
01:26:28.000Okay, that would certainly be the most devastating thing to the media.
01:26:30.000It would get the attention and point out you're going to be recorded naked.
01:26:34.000You understand if we don't stop this, the government's going to force you to do it and have mobile vans driving around doing it and brain scanners and passive body scanners that scan your naked body from a distance.
01:26:45.000That's now in the mainstream news today up on PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com.
01:26:52.000But, people are already having those protests before we even thought of the idea, separately.
01:26:56.000People always think of the same, I think like 10 guys invented radio the same month around the world, not just Marconi of Italy.
01:27:04.000But, it's just the best protest video.
01:27:08.000You have a protest, or you go to a protest, you edit the best video that has info wars in it.
01:27:14.000That way we get the heads and visitors, and it goes a little ways towards paying out the $10,000 in prize money.
01:27:20.000We'll announce it next week with specific rules, gotta follow local laws and all that, and you will win.
01:27:25.000And people can do whatever they want in the demonstration.
01:27:27.000In fact, I even said that day, I don't think you specifically, you know, to be part of the contest, I'm saying people could go out and be naked, and you know, the best naked, or partially naked, or maybe in bikinis or whatever, to point out your, you know, to get media attention.
01:27:41.000It would definitely be a giant, devastating action against them.
01:28:10.000The best stunt that's legal and lawful, $5,000 to expose the body scanners.
01:28:15.000The best media stunt, the best poster posted in public and then videotaped, so you'll win for the best video of the stunt, the best video of the posters, and the best video of the demonstration.
01:32:14.000And, you know, Every time that we and others put together all this information and expose it, and it gets all over the country and then all over the world, again, we've got them on the run.
01:32:27.000And I'm telling you, I truly believe this.
01:33:09.000Now, they will care later when we get all of these people out of Congress who really shouldn't be there, who are on the take, and we can maybe have a decent government.
01:33:44.000People are finally realizing there's a shadow government of private criminal corporations.
01:33:50.000And as people identify the real enemy, I really do see the momentum completely shifting in our direction.
01:33:57.000And the globalists, nothing they say is believed anymore.
01:34:00.000But they just continue with the fraud.
01:34:03.000And that's going to dig the hole deeper for them legally.
01:34:07.000As far as lawsuits and criminal actions, they will come in time.
01:34:12.000Of course, unfortunately, a lot of them will die off, but it doesn't mean you can't go after their estates for all the money they've stolen.
01:34:18.000I mean, Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup are three blatant examples of real criminal enterprises.
01:34:27.000I mean, these people will stop at nothing.
01:34:30.000And I know what they're doing because I was in that industry for so long.
01:34:33.000I understand how it works and these things that they do.
01:34:38.000And you know, the SEC is nothing but an appendage of Wall Street.
01:34:42.000They don't do anything to the large firms.
01:34:44.000They were told a Madoff scam for 10 years, over and over and over again, and did nothing.
01:36:48.000It's the only safe place to be with your money.
01:36:54.000Yeah, Damon Vickers even agreed with that last hour.
01:36:57.000It seems like anybody with half a brain knows gold and silver is the place to be because it's not a bubble, because gold hasn't even gotten to half of its 1980 inflation level.
01:37:57.000That revolving door between Wall Street and Washington, it's got to be shut down.
01:38:04.000There's plenty of bright people all over the country who would be happy to be Secretary of the Treasury or the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, etc, etc.
01:38:16.000We don't need Wall Street running our country.
01:38:19.000And once you've identified the bankers and how they wreck things by design, when we kick them out of power and they try to sabotage the economy and we have evidence, we just send the FBI march in to arrest them!
01:38:55.000We've got to confiscate their ill-begotten gains.
01:38:59.000And that would be used to get rid of the deficit.
01:39:02.000Instead, the bankers are now positioning for excise taxes and sales taxes, and they have Glenn Beck and all the other Fox people saying the conservative thing is more taxes.
01:39:49.000If you're drinking a half gallon of whiskey every day, it's going to hurt when you quit it.
01:39:53.000But if you don't quit it, it's going to kill you.
01:39:56.000Well, at the rate we're going, we're going to see real estate prices, residential down another 10 to 20 percent this year.
01:40:05.000You should see what's coming down the line in these option arms.
01:40:09.000The amount of money is three or four times what it was in these subprimes.
01:40:14.000On top of that, you have all of these homes that are in inventory that the banks won't put on for sale, because there's too many of them out there.
01:40:26.000Commercial real estate, the banks will not lend to really good, bona fide people who have bought these buildings, because they've been told by the Fed, don't spend any money.
01:40:45.000and medium-sized businesses that make up 70 to 90 percent of all the jobs out there.
01:40:50.000So you're not going to see any job recovery because the banks aren't going to lend because they want to stay in business, and that's the way it's going to be.
01:41:08.000Two quick points, and I'm sorry this actually came to mind during Damon Vickers' segment, but the first, I can agree with some of the points Damon brought up, and certainly we do have problems worldwide, but what needs to be realized is that they are solved through inspiration of behavior, not controlling but what needs to be realized is that they are solved You do that, and bad things start to happen.
01:41:31.000And the second point I found pretty much a sick comedy was the fact that the New World Folks like them think that the sheeple, as they like to put it, are pathetic because they have a herd mentality.
01:41:45.000Well, I submit to them that they actually have a herd mentality as well, and the fact that they all coalesce around fear, trying to control everybody else, and trying to control the truth.
01:41:59.000Alright, let me get a comment on that, Jason, from Bob Chapman.
01:42:36.000Because if we don't do that, people will never understand what's going on.
01:42:40.000The elites just rationalize all the things they're doing, and then most of the time actually work against what they claim their aims are originally.
01:44:11.000That we're pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
01:44:14.000We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
01:44:20.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.
01:44:26.000Fall of the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.
01:47:44.000And depending upon how much money he's got, if there's millions in it, well, then he'd have to use some other things like sovereign treasuries from Canada or Switzerland.
01:49:15.000Yeah, so much of this is, even our great listeners, Bob, who are great people, they're not running for office, they're not taking action, they're not involved.
01:50:17.000And it's just waking up a neighbor, waking up a police officer, going to county commissioner's quarters, city council and speaking, going to your state legislature, shaking hands, talking to the legislatures, telling them you don't want new world order, you don't want bigger government, suing corrupt politicians, saying no to the banks.
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01:52:24.000Now I guess we can safely say that there were people within the FBI and other agencies who actively protected and aided the alleged terrorists.
01:52:33.000With all the resources available to U.S.
01:52:35.000intelligence, you would think that someone within would have detected something.
01:52:40.000The black operation program, Able Danger, identified the hijackers prior to 9-11, but the FBI wasn't interested.
01:52:48.000Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer, an intelligence officer inside Able Danger, tried to blow the whistle several times.
01:52:56.000Was the commission that investigated the 9-11 attacks told that lead hijacker Mohammed Atta had been identified and as Al-Qaeda operative more than a year before terrorists struck?
01:53:07.000I'm told confidently by the person who did move the material over that the 9-11 commission received two briefcase size containers of documents.
01:53:17.000I can tell you for a fact that would not be one one-twentieth of the information that Able Danger consisted of during the time we spent.
01:53:26.000Schaefer would also meet with Philip Zelikow, the Executive Director of the 9-11 Commission.
01:53:56.000Therefore, at that point in time, we made a determination as a team that we should move this information to the FBI.
01:54:02.000But he says beginning in September 2000, three meetings he set up with the FBI were each cancelled by military lawyers.
01:54:10.000Despite all of this, the 9-11 Commission would deny it any significance and not include it in the report.
01:54:16.000Leaving a project targeting Al-Qaeda as a global threat a year before we're attacked by Al-Qaeda is equivalent to having an investigation of Pearl Harbor and leaving somehow out the Japanese.
01:54:29.000Schaefer and his team tried to stop the hijackers prior to 9-11, but were blocked.
01:54:34.000Later, the military would begin a smear campaign against them in order to discredit their findings.
01:54:39.000A Pennsylvania congressman says there's a smear campaign going on inside the Pentagon and he wants the defense chief to get to the bottom of it.
01:54:46.000Republican Congressman Kurt Weldon says Pentagon officials are trying to ruin one of their own, who's gone public about a top-secret military intel unit.
01:54:55.000Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaffer, who was the first member of Able Danger to go public, has now been told in writing by the Defense Intelligence Agency that he can't speak to members of Congress or their staff without prior approval.
01:55:06.000And now a security clearance, which allowed him to deal with classified information, has been pulled.
01:55:11.000The congressman says Schaffer has been gagged, punished, for speaking up.
01:55:17.000It's obvious to me, this is a clear attempt to silence this guy, but now even more than to silence him, to ruin him as a person and a military officer.
01:55:26.000I've talked to all the Able Danger players, and they all agree, this is a witch hunt against Tony, it's wrong, it's un-American, it's unacceptable.
01:55:34.000Pentagon reportedly does not want the public to hear next week's Senate testimony about the former secret intelligence unit known as Able Danger.
01:55:43.000Two congressional sources have told Fox News that the military is pressuring senators to move the hearings behind closed doors.
01:55:50.000When the Able Danger hearings were held, Schaefer and others were gagged.
01:55:55.000Eventually, Schaefer would be able to speak at a whistleblower's hearing.
01:56:00.000Many of us take seriously our oath of office to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
01:56:09.000I was not hired as an intelligence officer because I hung out at the Christian Science Reading Room.
01:56:14.000My job is to get information using tried and true intelligence methodologies.
01:56:18.000According to my legal counsel, until I disclosed the able-to-endanger information, I was a rock star.
01:56:23.000It was my work as a chief of the DIA Special Mission Task Force back in 2000, I mean in 1998, that I became involved with Able Danger.
01:56:32.000My officers and I were working at the cutting edge of technology and DoD black operations.
01:56:37.000Most of all of my operations and operational records remain classified.
01:56:40.000With all this evidence, why did the 9/11 Commission and Pentagon suppress valuable information about the hijackers' activities leading up to the attacks?
01:56:49.000Hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone.
01:57:05.000This is our last chance to not relive history.
01:57:08.000As they're finishing off this agenda, they'll be pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
01:57:13.000We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
01:57:20.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us.
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02:00:06.000Because there's a war on for your mind.
02:00:08.000Our next guest is with us until about 40 after. here.
02:00:17.000And he's gonna come back on in the summer when his new book, The Dark Side of the Force, comes out.
02:00:24.000Much of what he knows he can't tell us because of national security, but he's got a little bit of new info he can reveal here today.
02:00:30.000We're going to talk about a host of issues, the underwear bomber, the body scanners, the police state, 9-11, how he was gagged for being able to talk to the public about what he knew, how he was persecuted.
02:00:41.000He's Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer, of course, of Able Danger fame.
02:00:45.000You've seen him on television many, many times.
02:00:48.000And he is with us again for the next 30 minutes or so.
02:00:52.000Colonel Schaefer, it's great to have you here with us.
02:00:58.000Well, I'm glad that we got in touch with each other.
02:01:01.000There's so much going on, and I could go over your bio, but for those that may not know who you are, recap who you are and your experience with trying to stop 9-11 and then your persecution.
02:01:13.000Right, well, to put it all in kind of a nutshell, I'm a case officer by trade, trained by CIA years ago, a lot of years ago.
02:01:21.000My primary job with the Department of Defense was to conduct human intelligence operations, which the public commonly knows as espionage.
02:01:31.000I did that for about 20 years, and my specialty was special operations support, direct support special operations.
02:01:38.000So while I wasn't necessarily a Green Beret, I spent a lot of time with them, supporting them, and then doing things in what's known as the black world, the black operations world.
02:01:52.000And of course, within the context of that, I did a lot of it both as an Army civilian, As an Air Force civilian and also as a Defense Intelligence Agency civilian, all along I was an Army Reservist and a lot of the stuff I would do and still continue to do is as an Army Reservist.
02:02:09.000And so the primary focus of all that work, frankly, was going after hard targets, going after the real challenges of the country, the North Koreans, the Iranians.
02:02:22.000I did a lot of work on things like counter-drug back when we were actually focusing on counter-drug back in the 90s.
02:02:28.000And it all kind of culminated in the late 90s, at least from my perspective, in a project called Able Danger.
02:02:36.000And Enabled Danger was essentially an entrepreneurial concept that was brought up by General Hugh Shelton, who was then chairman of the Joint Chiefs, who tasked General Schoomaker, the then commander of Special Operations Command, to bring together a group to really do out-of-the-box thinking, to take a clean sheet of paper, if you will,
02:02:59.000and try to see what would be possible to go after a transnational, and what we mean by transnational is something that does not fit in one single country, a transnational threat, which back then was the then blossoming threat of al-Qaeda.
02:03:14.000And it was very innovative, We tried to put together a hybrid team of folks from Defense Intelligence, which was my element, something called Stratus Ivy.
02:03:23.000We were a special mission task force, along with technology and support of the Army, Army Land Information Warfare Activity, which is doing some very advanced data mining.
02:03:33.000Which was then being funded by Representative Kurt Weldon.
02:03:37.000There was a great interest by Congress to try to actually do some things with new technology.
02:03:41.000All on behalf of the Special Operations Command, who had the charter, who was tasked by General Shelton and General Schoomaker, to try to find ways to go after Al-Qaeda.
02:03:50.000And again, it's notable here, Alex, that this was all pre-911.
02:03:57.000Uh, and it was a very advanced for the time, data mining effort.
02:04:01.000That was the, a lot of people don't understand, that was just one part of it.
02:04:05.000The actual components, the larger moving pieces, if you will, were never really brought to light during the Able Danger hearings and everything else.
02:04:14.000And I will talk about that a little bit more in the book, when the book comes out.
02:04:18.000Right now it's going through a review, so I'm not sure what's going to make it through completely, but the idea here... You're having to get, for those that don't know, national security overview and release authorization from what, the Department of Defense, CIA?
02:04:33.000Since I'm an Army body and I was actually on active duty with the Army during the time that I was conducting the operations in Afghanistan.
02:04:42.000And this book is going to focus primarily on Afghanistan, the dark side of the force.
02:04:46.000And it has to do with my work there, working as part of Task Force 180 and Task Force 121.
02:04:53.000I was actually attached to 121, which is General McChrystal's command in Afghanistan back in 03 and 04.
02:05:00.000And it goes into fairly good detail about how we were doing things, and frankly, we're portraying it clearly as the tipping point in Afghanistan.
02:05:10.000A lot of the folks I worked with have collaborated.
02:05:13.000I was assigned to something called the Leadership Targeting Cell, the LTC.
02:05:17.000We had good cooperation, excellent cooperation from my colleagues on that.
02:05:22.000And so we've been able to kind of go through it in detail.
02:05:26.000It's kind of an action adventure in that I think the readers will like it by the fact I try to tell it from the first person, much like the Martin Sheen character, the Captain Willard character in Apocalypse Now.
02:05:36.000It's almost, and you can probably appreciate this from your perspective, Alex, the insanity of seeing bureaucracy in action.
02:05:44.000A large part of the focus is kind of give people a feel for what it was like to have to deal with not only the enemies that are shooting at you, but your own enemies who are behind the wire who just really don't want to do the right thing.
02:05:56.000And so we try to portray this fairly, and it'll be focused primarily on my work in Afghanistan.
02:06:01.000Well, we're going to talk about that one, and I'm looking really forward to a full-hour interview with you when the dark side of the force comes out and find out who the Emperor Palpatine is in this story.
02:06:12.000But expanding, you then tried to tell the 9-11 Commission and Congress this info and then they began to persecute you.
02:06:22.000Well, it's interesting how it all kind of popped up.
02:06:25.000In the book, we'll only talk about the initial disclosure, and it'll end kind of with me being pulled off the front line after my second deployment to Afghanistan.
02:06:34.000But my initial disclosure came directly to Dr. Philip Zelikow, who was the then-chair of the 9-11 Commission.
02:06:41.000And what I just told you and your audience is what I told him in about an hour's worth of briefing, where I lay out all the bones of the operation.
02:06:51.000I lay out everything from who was involved, what was the focus.
02:06:55.000I talked about some plans and operations which were related to it, which we were using to support the targeting effort.
02:07:01.000And, of course, one of the things which drew total silence and shock when I brought it up was the fact that we discovered three of the 9-11 hijacker cells.
02:07:10.000We discovered three of the four cells of the 9-11 attacks.
02:07:15.000And it was, you know, total shock and dismay by the people in the room, to include Dr. Delacalle.
02:07:20.000And then, during that initial disclosure, he pulls me aside at the end of that meeting, and that boggartness happened in October of 2003.
02:07:26.000And it gives me this card and says, what you said today, and I'm going to quote as accurately as I remember, and I think this is directly from my testimony, what you said today is very important.
02:07:36.000I need you to contact me upon your return to the United States.
02:07:40.000And at which time I explain to him, well, you know, I'm going to be, I'm actually undercover here, so I'm going to have to give you, you know, my real name is something else.
02:07:47.000I will, you know, contact your staff when I get back.
02:07:49.000And it was during that time, between October and February, and then January, frankly, something happened.
02:07:56.000And to me, there's still a mystery of what exactly happened.
02:07:59.000But sure enough, I followed up, contacted his staff, and all of a sudden, they don't Even though what I said there, that they were very, very shocked, very uninterested.
02:08:10.000And I was told after talking to his staff twice, and I'll get a quote as accurate as I remember it, we don't need you to come in.
02:08:17.000We have all the information on Able Danger that we need, unquote.
02:08:21.000And that's kind of when things started going wrong, and I really didn't know why.
02:08:24.000Next thing I know, my clearance is suspended, and I'm pulled off the front line, despite the fact I received the Bronze Star, was sent back a second time to plan a surge operation for another surge to go after bin Laden.
02:08:36.000And I was pulled off over what can only be described as petty issues.
02:09:02.000We see them... I mean, tell us what happened to you and the persecution.
02:09:05.000But then, what do you think about Sybil Edmond's testimony that she was listening to communiques where elements of the CIA were communicating with al-Qaeda and the Taliban and knew about their movements?
02:09:18.000Thanks to the Intel, you and others were gathering right up until the moment of 9-11.
02:09:22.000Well, I tend to believe that there's a great deal of truth to that, and there's a couple things I want to add to that to back up your point.
02:09:30.000First, when I was in closed hearings, when I was getting ready to go into closed hearings back in 2000, I'm going to fast forward here a little bit, but in 2006 when I was in closed hearings, Representative Sylvester Reyes himself comes up to me, and as you know, Sylvester Reyes is now, I believe, the chair of the House Supremacy Committee on Intelligence, and Representative Reyes comes up to me and says, Colonel Schaffer, I know there's something to what you're saying because Dr. Zelikow came and approached me in January of 2006, I'm sorry, 2004, and said,
02:10:03.000Uh, there's something called able danger.
02:10:07.000And frankly, they never got back to him.
02:10:09.000So this is one of the senior Democrats coming to me and saying they told us about it, but then they never followed up.
02:10:16.000I do believe something happened internally, and I've talked to a couple of the 9-11 Commission folks.
02:10:22.000I can't go into a lot of detail, they may not give out their names, but frankly, one of the 9-11 Commissioners told me personally, everybody was covering for someone within that Commission.
02:10:32.000That is to say that everybody who was a Commissioner had an agenda.
02:10:36.000But what about Sybil Edmonds saying she was decoding the FBI slash NSA recordings out of, you know, the foreign language, out of Arabic, and she's sitting there listening to it, and it is elements of Western intelligence
02:10:52.000Interfacing, and we know that Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski brags in two books he wrote that they got the Arab Legion together out of other Muslim extremist groups, and that they were interfacing with it right up until the attacks.
02:11:06.000That makes perfect sense for you, a separate division going after them.
02:11:11.000Once you expose that you guys could have gone after them, but many others have said they were kept from going after them, then that shows clearly that they wanted the attacks to happen to set up a police state in America.
02:11:43.000We saw Special Forces colonels and others, your contemporaries, your peers, in the news in 2002 complaining, and I had the author of Jawbreaker on too with the CIA saying, we weren't allowed to go after anybody real, and every time we caught somebody real, we were told, let them go.
02:12:00.000Well, and I understand what you're saying about the Jawbreaker, and I've read the book, and that's what I'm going to tell you here.
02:12:08.000Regarding Able Danger, there's still a mystery as to why it stopped.
02:12:11.000The operation planning occurred during the 1999-2000 timeframe, and as far as we all know, as part of the team, The last tangible, real element of AbleDanger occurred in January, February 2001, in which the AbleDanger core team briefed General Shelton at the Pentagon about the options.
02:12:34.000And this is the thing I wanted to emphasize about AbleDanger, Alex.
02:12:55.000Because, as a matter of fact, up until June of 2001, I was getting calls from my colleague, the commander now, Captain Scott Philpott, asking me to reactivate my component, my stratus IV element, to help them continue the targeting process.
02:13:11.000And frankly, he was getting a great deal of static.
02:13:15.000As a matter of fact, I was pretty much fired because I wouldn't back down on the issue.
02:13:19.000I actually had a confrontation, which you can find on the Internet.
02:13:24.000I talked to the government security news where I was interviewed and I talked about the fact that my boss, Major General Rod Isler, and I had a shouting contest where I basically said, look, we've got to do this because this is a clear target, and I was told it's not your job.
02:13:39.000You know, I'm the general, you're not, and I'm telling you to stop.
02:13:42.000So essentially during that time frame from February of 2001 until, you know, the attacks, Those of us who were trying to actively work this, who, you know, because of our... And Alex, you understand this.
02:13:54.000I mean, I didn't just come off the street and pick up being an intelligence officer overnight.
02:13:58.000I had quite a bit of experience at the time.
02:14:01.000And we were all saying, there's something wrong here.
02:14:03.000We've got to do something because there's indications that these people are not only going to do something, we have cells of al-Qaeda within the United States.
02:14:12.000And that was... Well, let me stop you then before we get into that, Colonel Schaefer.
02:14:15.000We really appreciate your time here today.
02:14:18.000Well, again, I can only go back to my direct experience.
02:14:20.000operations similar to yours, they have spoken out and said the State Department and higher level CIA killed our operations to decapitate al Qaeda.
02:14:33.000Well, again, I can only go back to my direct experience.
02:14:37.000There was an asset who had fabulous access to al Qaeda, who was was I can't go into a lot of detail.
02:14:45.000I have to be very careful about this because I talk about this in closed hearings.
02:14:49.000There was an operative, someone we had recruited, who we had every indication was loyal to us, who had fabulous access to the al-Qaeda planning elements within Kabul.
02:15:00.000And frankly, this gets closer to the point of what Able Danger, my part of Able Danger, was all about.
02:15:08.000That was really the focus for me, was Kabul, and what this individual had access to.
02:15:14.000And one of the things I told the 9-11 Commission was, We don't know why we were told to terminate our access to this individual.
02:15:22.000This became a huge battle because my then-boss, Major General Bob Harding, actually went to the Hill to plead for our ability to continue running that asset because he had fabulous access, and for some reason it was terminated.
02:16:08.000No, and that's a funny thing here, Alex.
02:16:10.000You've got to look at this because, again, we had testimony, we had hearings on it in 2002, 2003.
02:16:16.000Again, when I testified in 2006 about the same core issues, and here we are in 2009, and I find it, and I'll be totally blunt here, I find it insulting.
02:16:25.000That you have the special advisor to the president, Mr. Brennan, saying, you know, well, you know, we just didn't get our act together.
02:16:35.000As an American taxpayer, I'm aghast at the money they have spent.
02:16:40.000Over the past six years trying to fix this, after, you know, I personally put my career on the line to go testify about it, and yet no one seems to take seriously the need to fix the system.
02:16:54.000As a matter of fact, we're going the wrong way.
02:16:57.000The more bureaucracy you create, the better the chances are you will have a Hassan or an underwear bomber Get to security, because you are not layering security, you are bloating security.
02:17:09.000And this is where, you know, and I know that one of the reasons we're talking is because Mr. Tarpley was saying, you know, I've been out talking about this a little bit, and I think he agrees with me on this point.
02:17:20.000I am not for more bureaucracy, as a matter of fact.
02:17:23.000The actual elegance of able danger was we avoided the bureaucracy.
02:17:28.000And that was one of the downfalls of the project, I believe, is because we avoided the powers that be relating to who the pros consider themselves to be regarding al-Qaeda and all that.
02:17:38.000And they didn't want you to upstage them.
02:17:51.000And he was doing as friendly as he could be when he told me.
02:17:57.000Tony, I understand what Able Danger is about.
02:18:00.000I know it's not competing with us, but I can tell you right now, we CIA will never share our best information with you, because if you're successful, and we're not, you will upstage us.
02:18:12.000So, again, we recognize... Is that why the CIA's been using Blackwater instead of the Army?
02:18:18.000Well, you know, I actually was on ABC News with Brian Ross' unit on this just recently where I talked about the fact that, this is one of those strange ironies, I was the guy who had to handle the first two Blackwater operatives who were killed in action back in October of 2003.
02:18:34.000So not only do I have direct knowledge of it, you know, I was the guy that, you know, when they got killed I had to do the graves registration stuff, that's the military term for Basically coordinating the removal of the bodies from country to leave.
02:19:00.000And what they were doing is, and this is not new, this is in the public domain, they have their ground operations branch, which actually does their paramilitary operations.
02:19:11.000And one of the problems after 9-11 is they had a hard time building it up quickly with qualified and cleared officers.
02:19:17.000So one of the things they did, they took a shortcut and started hiring Blackwater individuals who were essentially coming out of Army Special Operations, out of Navy Special Operations, and putting them out in the field as CIA operatives.
02:19:30.000And again, this has been on Brian Ross.
02:19:31.000You can go to the internet, you can pull up the story where I talk about this on air.
02:19:35.000And yeah, the fact is this: they were taking these contractors and using them essentially, I'll be blunt, mercenaries.
02:19:42.000They were using them in a role, not as security guards, but as guys outside the wire trying to train Afghan and Pakistani individuals to be essentially their operatives on the ground to do special operations.
02:19:55.000And they've got them in Pakistan right now.
02:19:59.000So that's what we're faced with right now, and frankly, one of the things I said with Brian Ross, and I'll say it again here, is that I think they did a great deal of this to avoid oversight.
02:20:09.000Because I think, and I've heard this from other folks on the Hill, the staffers, that there's a lot more that's supposed to come out on this, because frankly, it appears now, and I think that's one of the reasons that Mr. Panetta, the DCI, actually went over and reported this to Congress, because I think when he discovered the fact that Blackwater was being used in operational Not as just guards.
02:20:29.000I think that's one of the reasons he made the disclosure to Congress immediately.
02:20:32.000Because that is not within, as I understand, the CIA's purview to use Blackwater as operatives instead of guards.
02:20:40.000Yeah, that is clearly something that they used because they didn't want to use Army guys, regular uniformed folks.
02:20:46.000And as you know, we who are in uniform still have to follow a lot of rules.
02:20:50.000There's a lot of laws, a lot of rules.
02:20:53.000Well, regardless of those laws and rules, you could have decapitated the Al Qaeda leadership months before 9-11, and it didn't happen, and when you exposed that, they tried to persecute you.
02:21:04.000That is my belief, based on all the evidence, and other folks who have similar evidence, and frankly, insiders who have confirmed it to me, but will not come forward because they don't want to give up their career.
02:21:16.000They understand if they say anything, they will be gone after as well.
02:21:22.000We've got a final segment with you, and I want to shift gears into some other areas of 9-11 and what's currently happening with the body scanners.
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02:25:00.000Ladies and gentlemen, Jason Bermes' film that I produced, Fabled Enemies, details what really happened on 9-11 from all the evidence.
02:25:13.000My film Terror Storm also goes over it.
02:25:16.000At the bare minimum, governments let this happen so they can take your rights, your freedom.
02:25:20.000Take the MIAC report we leaked that the military and police gave us.
02:25:24.000Take the Homeland Security report where it's really all set up for conservatives, libertarians, Bob Barr, Ron Paul, get us out of the UN stickers or demonized.
02:25:34.000What do you think of hearing that in the news, that most of homeland security and domestic operations now is focused on conservatives?
02:25:43.000I mean, the public's told this is all for Al-Qaeda, and then the whole thing's set up for the American people.
02:25:49.000Well, I gotta tell you, I believe most of the measures which have been put in place to include, you know, the body scanner, a lot of other stuff, and frankly, and we talked a little bit on the break about the scanner supports, you know, I gotta tell you, most of the stuff is proven if you look at the scientific evidence to not really be all that effective, but we spend tons of money, I actually attended a hearing a while back on the backscatter devices that they put in the ports, and the fact that they had to report, the Department of Homeland Security had to report They're not really working.
02:26:31.000I think almost the government becomes a taxi, if you will, for corporate America, because a lot of these companies have huge amounts of resources invested.
02:26:40.000Raytheon, Boeing, some of the other big companies, I'm not trying to single them out, but I'm just saying, That a lot of companies do benefit very much by investing in these technologies.
02:26:49.000And my problem with the process, obviously, as someone who, you know, I'm a think tank guy, is that they don't really work.
02:26:58.000And my belief is good money after bad is a key indicator of a lack of accountability.
02:27:55.000Then we get, in the Associated Press, the Colonel, head of the Monterey Defense Language School, saying, look, some of these guys were at our base.
02:28:05.000We have Springman, the head of the U.S.
02:28:06.000Embassy section in Saudi Arabia, being ordered to let them in, even though they were on watch list.
02:28:12.000And he was told later, oh, that was part of secret training.
02:28:19.000You add all of this together, what can you tell us about talking to other colleagues about hijackers being allowed in and out of the country, being protected, not acting in a very Muslim extremist fashion with all the whores and drugs and topless bars, the FBI living with them, Israeli intelligence following them around, what was really going on here in the U.S.? ?
02:28:41.000Well, again, I've got to be careful to limit myself to my direct knowledge, and I'll add to the pieces that I have.
02:29:26.000So that information was passed forward and there's good evidence now from a friend of mine who did some research that the information that we came up with was reported to President Clinton in the Millennium Bomber Report.
02:29:41.000One of the things that was disclosed that Sandy Berger was after was copies of the Millennium Bombing Report.
02:29:47.000And within that report, that was well prior to 9-11, was, within that report, and this is reported in John Ashcroft's book, I don't remember the name of the book off the top of my head, but John Ashcroft actually admits that there was information in the Millennium Bombing Report relating to al-Qaeda cells, active cells, being found in the United States.
02:30:07.000So, you know, we believe, based on the evidence we have, that that was our gig.
02:30:16.000And obviously at that level, you don't call things by its operational name, but we believe that that information regarding what was in the Millennium Report that went from Ashcroft to President Clinton was the Able Danger information.
02:30:28.000And it was so damning that Berger broke national security laws, he could have gone to prison for life to stick it in his underwear and socks to get it out of there.
02:30:47.000And one of the controversial points I've been told about lately, and this is, I think, new for everybody, one of the things my colleagues have told me is, like, yeah, the moment that that happened, you know, there was consideration of allowing Special Operations Command to go do some stuff.
02:31:01.000You know, in the United States, and that was hugely controversial.
02:31:04.000And I think that's one of the things they don't want to have talked about, is the fact that, you know, some people, to include myself, thought that, you know, look, if these guys are operating here, we need to do something sooner than later.
02:31:14.000And if we're in the best position to do something, let us do it.
02:31:18.000And that was hugely unpopular for any number of reasons.
02:31:21.000Posse Comitatus and all those other restrictions, which I understand why they exist, I support them.
02:31:26.000But clearly, you know, we had discovered that there were active cells within the United States.
02:31:31.000And just so everybody understands, this is not new.
02:31:33.000Eric Clinesmith, who was the actual analyst who discovered this stuff, testified in front of Senator Oren Specter on this point in August of 2005, I believe.
02:31:42.000Well, you've told us some new things, and you're getting, hopefully, security clearance for your book coming out in the early summer, perhaps even late spring.
02:31:49.000But in the last minute we've got, what can you give us foreshadowing on that is new that's coming out?
02:31:56.000Well, I think, you know, I mean, just speaking of the general situation right now, you've got the problem with people like Brennan, who have been part of the bureaucracy for the entire time.
02:32:05.000Don't forget, Alex, no one was ever held accountable for 9-11.
02:32:10.000Mr. Brennan, doing what he's doing right now, akin to Bernie Madoff being brought back to investigate the damage he caused with his Ponzi scheme.
02:33:06.000As a matter of fact, I'm a public supporter, but I can't call for a new investigation.
02:33:09.000Well, I don't agree with everything that all the movements stand for out there.
02:33:12.000I think the one common issue, Alex, we all agree on, we need a new investigation.
02:33:16.000We need to really turn over all the rocks, get to the real bottom, an independent commission, not consisting of people who have agendas, to sit down to go through everything in detail for a full accounting.
02:33:26.000And frankly, people need to be fired if they fail to conduct themselves in accordance with their oath of office.
02:33:34.000Is there a website yet for The Dark Side of the Force, the book coming out in the summer?
02:33:39.000No, there's not, but what you can do is, you know, I'm a senior fellow with the Center for Advanced Defense Studies, C4ADS.org.
02:33:46.000We do a combination of studies on technology and policies relating to defense.
02:33:51.000I do a lot of, you know, there are things I think I belong to, and obviously I'll come back with you when we do have more information about the book, and I look forward to chatting with you guys in the future as things develop.
02:34:01.000Well, I'm flattered that you read InfoWars, Colonel.
02:34:03.000How long have you been checking that out?
02:34:05.000Well, you know, it was one that was recommended to me very early on when I joined Facebook last year, so I'm a fan of it, so I look at it all the time.
02:34:14.000Well, thank you so much, Colonel, and we look forward to reading your new book and look forward to having you back on.
02:35:04.000It looks from the best we can tell with the 7-7 bombings and with the 9-11 operations And with the underwear bomber, they get useful idiots who think they're part of drills, and in some cases they get real terrorists who are being handled by international crime syndicate, private networks, mole operators, who allow them to carry out these attacks.
02:35:26.000And then some events are completely staged, like Gulf of Tonkin, that didn't even happen, and they just say, oh, we gotta go to war.
02:35:32.000But there certainly are real Muslim terrorists out there.
02:35:36.000You know, they would call themselves fighters against Western occupation.
02:35:39.000But regardless, there are real asymmetrical people out there attacking in nontraditional military operations.
02:35:47.000But most, when you see a terror attack and it's got earmarks of intelligence protecting it in the West, and you see a simultaneous rollout for a new war in Yemen and a new rollout of body scanners that Homeland Security is all making money off of privately, openly, criminally, in a revolving door of looting like Chertoff,
02:36:09.000when you see all that happening simultaneously and it fits the when you see all that happening simultaneously and it fits the MO of everything you've seen over and over and over and over again, you know what's going And Colonel Schaefer didn't get into all the persecution he went through, all the things they tried to do to him, when he went to him and said, yeah, you know, and take Sybil Edmonds, who we've interviewed.
02:37:07.000She put a lot of it out here on the show and then in the last year came out with all of it.
02:37:12.000And she said the CIA was running Al Qaeda right up until 9-11.
02:37:18.000So of course the CIA didn't want the Pentagon and CENTCOM and special forces operators and the Green Berets to be able to go out and kill their Al Qaeda frontmen.
02:37:34.000Who themselves were just cutouts for this whole operation.
02:37:37.000Because we have enough declassified operations from decades past to know what this operation is, and it fits.
02:37:46.000And the goal is, take American liberty, set up a police state, launch all these new wars, start a clash of civilizations, everything the PNAC report wrote about, the Pentagon, Minions, Dick Cheney and Jeb Bush and others wrote about.
02:38:03.000In September 20th, 2000, Rebuilding America's Defense is a white paper issued by the Project for a New American Century.
02:38:10.000And they say, if we don't have a big Pearl Harbor terror attack...
02:38:14.000Notice Pearl Harbor killed 3,000, 9-11 killed 3,000.
02:38:17.000If we don't have that, we're not going to be able to launch Pax Americana.
02:39:34.000And so that's why they run the radical Muslims and protect them and shepherd them, depending on what variety they are, whether they're real or manufactured.
02:39:41.000There's all different types in this grab bag.
02:39:44.000It's the same thing with the white supremacist.
02:39:47.000That's why the white supremacists attack me, number one.
02:41:14.000Hal Turner is a national security asset.
02:41:16.000And you scroll down, you scroll down in the article, and in it, our TV viewers, anybody can go read it, when you scroll down, we have the PDFs blacked out under national security, but the parts that aren't blacked out say FBI Agent Highest Security Clearance National Security.
02:41:36.000Are you guys able to scroll that down?
02:41:40.000Because I just want to scroll it down.
02:41:50.000You can blow those documents up and that is from the federal court.
02:41:55.000The Hal Turner Family Blog and the Chicago Tribune directly link to the federal And there it is, where you can read, National Security Intelligence, Terrorism, Fire and Counterintelligence.
02:42:16.000And then you scroll down to the next document, it says he was an agent.
02:42:19.000And every one of these major groups, see how it's redacted right there?
02:42:24.000Every one of these groups are run by these people.
02:42:27.000Because, that's why, what does Chris Matthews do?
02:42:31.000Oh, I don't want socialism and government-run healthcare.
02:44:05.000They'll be pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
02:44:07.000We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
02:44:14.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.
02:44:19.000For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.
02:45:53.000America is such a police state that Rob Jacobson, one of my video editors, got points on his license and was sent a bill for a ticket and auto accident he never had.
02:46:19.000They just lost it, and they called him just now and said, we're going to come arrest you if you don't come prove that you paid this ticket.
02:46:26.000See, the government just does whatever it wants, and I've got all these Boy Scout parents in denial.
02:46:31.000From Fall of the Republic and other films I've made showing how they're being federalized and taken over by local police as well.
02:46:36.000Going, well they've always trained with law enforcement.
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