Jesse s son Tyrell Ventura joins the show to discuss the success of Conspiracy Theory on TruTV, why he thinks his dad should run for President in 2012, and why he doesn t think his dad would be a good candidate.
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00:01:18.000Also is involved in a lot of other media production.
00:01:23.000He is an associate producer on the show, did a lot of the research.
00:01:27.000He's the guy that first primed the pump with his dad four or five years ago, about 9-11.
00:01:32.000And then when I first met Jesse Ventura four years ago and gave him Terror Storm and some other films about government-sponsored terror, he said, yeah, my son's introduced me to this.
00:01:41.000And so that helped break the ice and get him further informed about what was happening, leading us today to the number one news show on TruTV, record ratings for a new show, Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura.
00:03:02.000Thank you for all the help you've given us in the production of the show and for coming on and giving Jesse a good format to use, you know, voice his opinion.
00:03:11.000Well, I want to thank you for including me in the show I want to thank your father, the producer, the creator, for keeping his word and really having this be a fair, fact-finding show where Jesse really goes out.
00:03:26.000I mean, what you're seeing is what happens.
00:03:29.000And to be part of something real and trailblazing on TV, this is groundbreaking.
00:03:35.000I love the fact that we are, you know, so many shows you watch like the History Channel, National Geographic, and all that, they immediately go to the kind of government-sponsored sense of history, and it was kind of nice, refreshing for all of us to work on a show that's, you know, let's give all these other ideas a chance.
00:03:51.000Let's not follow the status quo and let's go and find things that no one's talking about in mainstream media and put them on TV.
00:03:58.000A lot of credit for TruTV for having the guts and the fun to stand behind this and put us on the air.
00:04:10.000Your father, Jesse Ventura, had a bet going that it wouldn't air.
00:04:13.000He was glad to be proven wrong with the production staff.
00:04:16.000I mean, you guys put incredible amounts of work and research, and this was a big gamble for you guys to do this, and it's been successful, so I commend you.
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00:10:29.000Those of us that question the official story are called that.
00:10:32.000Tyrell, tell us about the episode coming up tonight.
00:10:36.000Tonight we've got 2012, and we've kind of started with all the rumblings of the whole plastic calendar and all that, but then as we kind of were, you know, we were kind of at first like, uh, sounds a little hocus-pocus, but then we started kind of like looking in, you know, to the idea that, okay, what if, you know, some major catastrophe is on the horizon and the powerful elite know about it, and, you know, will they let, you know, would your government let the people know about it ahead of time, or would they just set out to protect themselves?
00:11:05.000And so it kind of ventured into that realm, and it's a great episode.
00:11:09.000You know, it's a great way to finish the season, and it's pretty frightening for the things we find out.
00:11:15.000You've got to watch it tonight and see the things that we've uncovered and the places that we've spent Jesse in this episode.
00:11:23.000Talking to you and your father and some of the other researchers early on, you guys thought that a lot of what we're hearing about 2012 is baloney, and clearly there's a lot of hype, a thousand different views, and ideas about what's coming up with 2012.
00:11:38.000But then, after you guys did your investigation, I don't want to give away too much for tonight, you got convinced that, well, the government and rich people clearly think something's going on, and they are getting ready.
00:11:52.000And I've talked to numerous friends of mine in like Big Oil and things like that, you know, like acquaintances I have out here living in Los Angeles who are kind of around a lot of power and money, especially in the film industry.
00:12:01.000And if you ask them, you talk to some of those guys and they'll tell you about like, oh yeah, you know, I might have a compound built here and that kind of thing.
00:12:08.000And you're kind of like, But for what purpose?
00:12:10.000And it's like, well, to keep us protected, but then, you know, they'll never follow through the chain of thought of, well, why?
00:12:18.000And that's what this episode's kind of about.
00:12:20.000I mean, it's not specifically that the world's going to end in 2012, but if a catastrophic event were to face the world, you know, who's going to get protected?
00:12:42.000In Switzerland, they have well-appointed facilities with food and water underground for their entire population for at least two years.
00:12:53.000Russia has it for their entire population for at least a year.
00:12:57.000Other nations have this, but growing up in Dallas, they designate the underground car garages as nuclear fallout shelters, but our government has spent more than all these other governments combined on its own secret bases and underground facilities, and the public isn't even allowed to know about it.
00:13:16.000is told if we get attacked or an asteroid hits or a bioweapon gets released or a chemical weapon gets released, sorry, you're out of luck, you're dead.
00:13:25.000And that, of course, giving people an idea is what this episode gets into.
00:13:29.000I mean, this is such an important subject, and that's what's so amazing.
00:13:32.000You guys set out to investigate these modern issues that the media calls conspiracy theories, and on issue after issue, you actually find out the real truth and come to the same perspective that I've got from deep research.
00:13:48.000And that is what is so amazing because, you know, I don't want to overstate my role.
00:14:02.000And I was always amazed by the fact that you guys came to really In-depth, well-calculated spectrum analysis of what's going on.
00:14:15.000You know, it's just being able to kind of, you know, look at the news as a whole, and you do the research, and, you know, with a lot of respect to Rahim and Holly, our other two associate producers, you know, they were fantastic.
00:14:26.000You can kind of see them on the show at the table, and then, you know, all the investigative team.
00:14:30.000You know, once you start reading the news, but reading through the news, and then looking at the, you know, sequence of events and stories and things like that, and then going out and finding the right people to talk to, the people that are voicing a dissenting opinion, rather than a popular opinion.
00:14:45.000Uh, you can start finding a lot of facts.
00:14:48.000I mean, any person at home can, you know, with a few mouse clicks, can start learning the truth.
00:14:53.000And, you know, if they start telling their friends, then you get a nice, steamroll effect, and then that's when you can get the system to crack, and hopefully, you know, bring it back to what it should be.
00:15:01.000And not a, you know, ruling class versus poor class.
00:15:16.000I mean, there was things I didn't know about, and I tried to pride myself with keeping ahead of what, you know, peering through the news and knowing what the truth is.
00:15:25.000And there were things that we discovered that I didn't even know about, you know, from the menstruating candidates and how deep that went.
00:15:31.000That sounds like hocus pocus, but completely real, you know, to the 2012 stuff.
00:15:38.000You know, it was fascinating to work on the show.
00:15:42.000What is your favorite episode of The 7, Tyrell?
00:15:48.000My favorite episode probably of The 7 would be probably 9-11, just because that was the kind of one that me and my dad, you know, that I was able to bring to my dad and kind of open his eyes up to, so I've always kind of had a, hate to say this, but warm place, you know, for uncovering the facts of that, of what really happened that day.
00:16:07.000I just feel, obviously, we weren't told what happened that day, and a lot of questions still need to be answered.
00:16:14.000And that was a fun one, just to see Dad really sink his teeth into something that is a pet project of his, and to finally see it put on the air, and to see the pride that he had that he was able to get a show like that on the air.
00:16:28.000They all have moments of just You know, fantastic candidness and great stories and great interviews and things like that, which is all you could ask for if you're trying to put together a television show.
00:16:42.000Well, we don't know yet if it's going to be picked up again, but talking to your father and others, I mean, with the type of top rating success it's gotten for the channel, something's going on if Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura doesn't get picked up for a second larger season.
00:17:01.000I mean, we hit the Bilderbergs pretty hard, and if they own all the pieces, you never know.
00:17:05.000But, no, ratings are good, and, you know, the key isn't that thing I want to tell you.
00:17:09.000If you're fans of the show and you believe in the show, you know, don't be afraid to write True TV and let them know you want to see a second season.
00:17:16.000You know, I can give you their address right here, and, you know, write into them, let them know, they read their mail, they listen to the viewers, they want to know what you want.
00:17:24.000Sure, give the address to True TV for folks.
00:17:28.000Uh, it's uh, TruTV, T-R-U-T-V, uh, at 600 3rd Avenue, New York, New York, 10016.
00:17:33.000And uh, you know, right in, or go online, they got a great website, you know, trutv.com, they actually have a, uh, uh, under the contact list, you can go right on there, and uh, and... But they really pay attention...
00:17:48.000But they really pay attention to physical letters.
00:17:50.000Sure, you can go online to truetv.com and send them emails, and that's important, but physically writing a letter.
00:18:41.000You only get an hour to tell each story, which is actually about 45 minutes in TV time.
00:18:48.000You know, there's a lot of stuff we had to put on the editing floor that we wished we could put in, but had to take out.
00:18:54.000So hopefully in the DVD set, maybe we can include some of that.
00:18:57.000And also, man, I just, you know, the more people that I have in their hand, the more people that share it and, you know, learn the truth, the better.
00:19:27.000They want to get into reality and what's really happening.
00:19:30.000And so a lot of people are watching to see what happens with this show so they can start going public and going public with their own projects.
00:19:37.000It's a revolution against the controlled paradigm going on in Hollywood right now.
00:19:42.000And you guys are, and of course me involved as well, are right in the middle of it.
00:19:47.000This is so wonderful that this has turned out this good, this professional, this true to the reality, and it's just such a good thing, Tyrell.
00:19:57.000We're gonna come back, talk more about the show, your dad, and a lot more.
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00:24:40.000Getting more into tonight's episode, I mean, as much as you're allowed to tell the public, give people an idea of why they want to tune in tonight, Tyrell.
00:24:51.000Tonight, because you're going to find out just how the government, you know, could prepare for potential disaster and leave you, you know, above ground.
00:25:02.000I mean, that's kind of where we want to work this episode.
00:25:04.000It's fascinating to begin and see that, you know, in every emergency situation, you know, in all the government, you know, in all their files, you know, and in their, what's the word, the power structure, you know, keeping the power structure in place takes priority to the citizenry.
00:25:21.000And it's very frightening to think about that.
00:25:24.000And that's where we get into this episode.
00:25:28.000We also, you know, uncover some massive underground facilities and other such places right underneath your nose.
00:25:36.000And it's a fun episode, you know, watching Jesse go bunker busting.
00:26:22.000I mean, that, I mean, that made newspaper news that he admitted the head of the UN program that they took out five scientists who in the report said, man is not causing global warming.
00:26:32.000And the UN knew that 10 years ago on top of climate gate.
00:26:42.000I mean, the timing of that episode and what was going on in the world at that moment was, I could have been more Couldn't have been better.
00:26:48.000You know, it was just one of those great moments in time where you're on top of a story as another facet of the story breaks.
00:26:55.000And I won't, you know, I was very critical, like, overwhelming.
00:27:00.000Like, and then, you know, as More research we did, the more I was convinced that, yeah, there's definitely something sneaky going on there.
00:27:07.000And hopefully, the more people you get talking about these issues, the more we can try to change it.
00:27:12.000I mean, that's the whole point of doing shows like this, to get you talking, get you aware of what's going on around you, not just being spoon-fed everything you see on television.
00:27:22.000I didn't really open my dad's eyes up to the world of conspiracy theory.
00:27:27.000He definitely did that when he took me to see the movie JFK when I was a little kid.
00:27:34.000So he definitely opened it up to that.
00:27:36.000I was able to kind of open his eyes up to the 9-11 because, you know, like all of us were kind of Shocked and had our head in the sand to a certain degree after that had happened.
00:27:46.000And at first, he was real hesitant to buy in with it.
00:27:49.000I just kept saying, just watch the blues change.
00:27:52.000It raises enough questions, it'll make you think about it.
00:27:55.000And then that kind of got him rolling on 9-11 and then opened up.
00:27:59.000You know, really, that got him rolling and ended up creating this show to a certain extent because it kind of opened his mind up to other vast conspiracies, you know, the other conspiracies out there beyond just JFK.
00:28:11.000Well sure Tyrell but I mean talking to your dad the last time he was down here in Austin with me for a few days I mean he said he knew about JFK he knew about some of the things but that you had brought him so many books and evidence and material and then I'd given him material and then all of that that he went down to Mexico and spent months and months reading and watching it all and doing research and then he really had this It's awakening to a higher level of information.
00:28:36.000And then you guys have just gotten back from HAARP in Alaska when I hooked up with you guys at the hotel there in L.A.
00:28:44.000And I was talking to your dad and he said, Alex, my head's spinning.
00:28:46.000When I lay down at night, it's literally spinning and opening up.
00:28:50.000And that's the same process that all of us go through.
00:28:53.000Even when we think we know what's going on, even when we think we're aware of the new world order and the shadow government, It just gets more and more crazy.
00:29:02.000And this microcosm of the underground bases, how there's this giant archipelago of underground bases and continuity of government facilities that are even on record to exist.
00:29:15.000Imagine what we don't know exists, and the general public has no idea all this is going on beneath them.
00:29:21.000I know, and they have no idea that most of their taxpayers are paying for all of it.
00:29:24.000Most of their tax money is paying for all of it.
00:29:27.000You know, I mean, you want to know what you're buying.
00:29:29.000I mean, they're taking your money to do all this and to run these regimes that do this.
00:29:35.000Not to mention, you know, the selling of drugs.
00:29:37.000Not to mention the CIA selling of drugs on the inner city streets and all of that.
00:29:41.000I mean, you know, they're totally abusing you.
00:29:44.000I mean, it's no different than when the feudal lords were abusing the serfs, you know, back in the 1300s.
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00:33:57.000Believe me, you want to tune in and watch it the hour before they will re-air last week's show, which Jesse thinks is the most wild one, and that's the Manchurian candidate program that we know is real.
00:34:09.000Now, is every person out there saying they're a Manchurian candidate real?
00:34:14.000But that's going to re-air tonight, 8 o'clock Central, leading into the new episode.
00:34:18.000But we have callers for the guest only, questions about Jesse Ventura, questions about the series, questions about the production of Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura.
00:34:31.000Tyrell Ventura is here giving us a different perspective, a different angle.
00:34:35.000On the production, 1-800-259-9231, 1-800-259-9231.
00:34:36.000Tyrell, I want to get into your dad and politics, but before we do that, I've been asking the questions here.
00:34:51.000You were getting into government drug dealing, how many times they've been caught, CIA aircraft crashing full of cocaine, and you got cut off by break.
00:34:58.000Any more statements on that, or anything else you want to...
00:35:02.000The thing I want to say, too, is don't, like, I, you know, I read the talkback section on the Facebook page for the Conspiracy Theory show, you know, for our show and, like, all of that, and, you know, I've gotten a lot of mail, you know, to the, to the company and to the production office, you know, of people, you know, telling us, look, I've uncovered this or I've found that, and, you know, and we do take that seriously.
00:35:21.000I mean, if we do get picked up for a second season, we need materials.
00:35:24.000So if you're, you know, if you have anything out there that you've uncovered or you think of, you know, don't be afraid to send it to us, you know.
00:35:31.000You know, interviewing people out there and finding the truth of stories is what's going to help us.
00:35:37.000And if you've got a little nugget of information about something that maybe you yourself are afraid to bring to public, you know, we can.
00:35:45.000If we get picked up, you know, that's why you've got to watch a show and write to TruTV and, you know, get us picked up for a second season so we can keep telling the truth on, you know, we've got Alex doing it on the radio and on DVDs, and if we can keep doing it on TV, you know, that creates the ground to fall, and hopefully you can change the world that way.
00:36:01.000Well, there's no doubt that there's a huge awakening taking place, and you guys were already aware of that, but producing the show, being out there on the street, really plunging with both feet into the alternative media and bringing it to mainstream media, building that bridge.
00:36:17.000This is unprecedented, trailblazing, avant-garde event that we've all witnessed, and I've just been honored to be involved in it.
00:36:26.000What has it been like truly immersing yourself in this, Tyrell?
00:36:31.000Well, I mean, it's like you say, your head starts spinning after a while, and it's tough sometimes to, you know, decipher, you know, which person's telling you the truth, which person isn't, you know, whose side should you take in this, you know, who's got the most information on any subject that's going to fit right for the show and the style of show and the editing.
00:36:53.000I mean, it was a tough, long thing to put together, you know, I mean, you're out there You know, interviewing people, sending Jesse up to Alaska, going all over the place, and the government's not being helpful at all.
00:38:22.000When you get into media conglomerates and their own Mike Turner and all that, you never know what you're going to get into, but they were fantastic to work with.
00:38:30.000Well, I was involved in a big production for Discovery Channel with the director who did some kind of Monster Brothers Keeper and a lot of other top documentary films.
00:38:49.000Executives came in and said, we're not doing this anti-New World Order stuff.
00:38:53.0003.4 million dollar budget killed the entire program.
00:39:00.000And I've seen that over and over again where the system does do this, but talking to your dad and other people in the production, they say that his personality, his gravitas, his research, you know, proving it.
00:39:13.000You know, he told TruTV, you know, I'm going in to just find the truth.
00:39:33.000I mean, I think, A, the True TV, you know, believed in Jesse and, you know, had the guts, you know, the executives up there had the guts to say, you know, let's take a gamble on this and let's take a chance.
00:39:44.000But there's an audience out there for this, which we've found that there is.
00:39:48.000And also, I think, you know, we probably got in under the radar a little bit.
00:39:50.000You know, Jesse hadn't really been on the public eye for a while, and I think we flipped it by him.
00:39:57.000In terms of, you know, the media elite and the powers that be, I think we kind of flipped this one by him.
00:40:01.000But, you know, the great thing about Hollywood and television and all of that is As much as they will push an agenda, they still love money.
00:40:13.000So, you know, like we say, the more people that watch the show, the more people that want it on the air and want this kind of information out there, you know, you've got to write in and tell them to pick this up for the second season.
00:40:22.000Because they'll follow money before they'll follow... if greed comes first.
00:40:27.000There is no doubt that if you put this on primetime CBS, ABC, NBC, or Fox, that this would be a number one show.
00:40:36.000And I know there's been some discussion down the road.
00:40:39.000I mean, we need to get another season on cable, but this needs to go to primetime television.
00:40:45.000Now, I don't think the powers that be are going to let that happen.
00:40:50.000I mean, that primetime television is so locked into, you know, sitcoms that mean nothing and everything else, but, you know, and then, you know, murder investigation stories that aren't true.
00:41:01.000You know, that's the great thing about being, you know, on true TV and working with them is, you know, we're dealing, like it says, we're not, you know, we're dealing with not reality, but actuality, you know, and it's been a great network to work for.
00:41:13.000I mean, you guys go out into a real investigation.
00:41:16.000Yeah, we're not, you know, we're not CSI out there pretending, you know, fake dead bodies.
00:41:20.000These are real issues we're dealing with.
00:41:21.000And, you know, real people we're interviewing.
00:41:23.000You know, and that's what's so fun about the show is, you know, going in to play that meeting, you know, meeting a man who says he's a Manchurian candidate.
00:41:32.000You know, I shook his hand, I talked to him, and I don't know if he's telling the truth or not, but I can tell you this is that he believes in what he's saying.
00:41:39.000Well, we know those programs are real.
00:41:42.000And we know he had the car wreck and suddenly remembered all of this, and that's exactly in the real cases how this has happened.
00:41:49.000I mean, CIA officers like Olson died in these mind control programs.
00:43:12.000Shifting gears, I have congressmen on, I have political analysts on every week, I have top reporters on, people that really understand politics, the political landscape.
00:43:25.000The Republicans have no credibility, the Democrats have no credibility, no matter who we put into office.
00:43:54.000And every time I talk to political strategists, they see no one Out there with the name recognition or who has the dark horse history and the populist backing to run for president except for Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura and some people say Ron Paul almost 75.
00:44:17.000will be 77 if he got elected, and that's too old.
00:44:21.000I think he's in great shape, jogs every day, exercises.
00:45:46.000You know, he does know that, and he does, you know, hear the people out there on those numerous websites and things, you know, asking, you know, Jesse, you're running 2012, and, you know, with Egypt, and that kind of thing.
00:46:02.000And if fate opens his door and says, you know, looks like it puts him in a position where he's going to run for president, he might.
00:46:09.000But ultimately, I don't think that's on his mind right now.
00:46:12.000He's not, he's not shown me anything behind closed doors that said that he's got his sights set on the presidency.
00:46:18.000If anything, he wants to surf more and then continue to work on the television show.
00:46:22.000But, you know, it's a strange, funny world we live in, and you never know what can happen.
00:46:26.000But as of right now, no, he doesn't have any political ambitions right now, except for just waking people up and continuing to be a voice of independence and a voice of revolution.
00:46:39.000Well that's what he's told me, and people always ask me to run for office, and the reason I've said I will probably never do it, is that I can be pure here.
00:46:48.000Nobody's telling me what to say, I can do whatever I want, I can tell the truth, I can feel good when I go to bed at night, and politics itself is inherently corrupting, inherently is about compromise, and your dad knows he can write He can do books, he can do TV and radio interviews, he can have a hit TV show telling the truth, trailblazing, and that he wants to be from the grassroots part of the revolution against tyranny with the people as a foot soldier, as a commando, as a Navy SEAL.
00:47:17.000That's what he sees as that front line general out there, you know, on the front lines in the fight.
00:47:25.000You know what it is, Alex, is that one of the greatest experiences he ever had in his life was teaching political science at Harvard.
00:47:31.000You know, and they had him come out there for a semester at Harvard and was able to teach all these young kids about third-party politics and about 9-11 and about JFK and things like that.
00:47:43.000And he was able to really, you know, kind of Those are the people that are going to change the world.
00:47:47.000And I think my dad's kind of getting to a point in his life now where he would rather inspire the person who is going to change the world rather than change the world.
00:47:56.000He's gone from governor and everything else.
00:47:59.000But I think as he gets up there, he wants to surf more.
00:48:03.000He kind of wants to pass the reins on.
00:48:05.000You know, hopefully, you know, there's someone out there who will have that charisma and will have that third-party know-how to, you know, take this country back for us.
00:48:28.000We're going to come back and go to Noel, Mark, Rose, Ron, Tim, and others for Tyrell Ventura, specifically on the show, or Jesse Ventura, or on Tyrell.
00:48:39.000But I just want to say this here as we go to break.
00:50:24.000Learn what they created here in this great, great country we have.
00:50:28.000You know, and then don't let it fall into the hands of the ruthless and the corrupt.
00:50:31.000Well, your dad really does, with all of his colorful history and all the great things he's done as a trailblazer, the fact that he doesn't want power, the fact that he just wants to be on a lonely seashore by himself reading books, that's why he needs to be president or somebody like Ron Paul, instead of Sarah Palin and the Democrats and the Republicans, all these painted trolleys and trumpets who want power.
00:50:58.000That's the people we don't want in government.
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00:54:40.000We've got this segment and the next with Tyrell Ventura and I'm going to your calls.
00:54:43.000But Tyrell, during the break you made a statement that was not conclusive but closer to conclusive.
00:54:49.000So finish up that statement about your dad.
00:54:52.000Well, essentially I'm going to say this, like, you know, you ask me if I'm going to run for president in 2012 and things like that, and I say, you know, right now I would say I'm probably 85% sure that he's not going to run for president.
00:55:03.000However, you know, his life has been so dynamic and strange that, you know, you never can say never with him.
00:55:51.000I've been reading the Grilling News Network's book, True Lies, and you're mentioned in it.
00:55:57.000And I thought it would be a good idea for maybe a second season show to do a show on the depleted uranium that we're giving the troops as ammunition.
00:56:10.000That is a great subject because the Army's own manuals admit it.
00:56:25.000You know, there's no reason for us to use depleted uranium in weapons.
00:56:29.000Well, it's a toxic waste, just like fluoride's a toxic waste, so they put it in the water.
00:56:33.000It's a toxic waste from spent fuel rods at nuke plants, so they put it into weaponry when the Army's own manuals in the 80s said, this will kill you deader than a hammer if you breathe it.
00:56:43.000Now they say, oh no, it's good for you.
00:57:02.000It's sad when you see these young kids going over there, my generation and younger, going over to Iraq on their fourth, fifth, sixth tour now, if not eighth.
00:57:14.000You know, being used completely as corporate pawns.
00:57:33.000I'd like to make a quick comment and ask a question.
00:57:39.000I think your dad, Tyrell, and Ron Paul, Interchangeably on the ticket.
00:57:44.000I don't know which would be vice president or president, but that would certainly gather in a lot of people between the independent type of voter as well as the Republican voter and perhaps quite a few Democrats.
00:57:59.000At any rate, I wanted to ask you Tyrell, do you have any knowledge of Turner Broadcasting, Ted Turner's conglomerate, actually having ownership or a large interest in the TruTV network.
01:00:12.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:00:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:00:22.000I have thought long and hard about why this show was allowed on air, how the show is from our perspective and proves the government's doing all this evil stuff.
01:01:04.000I mean, it's hurting them worse to ignore it all, because then people say, well, why are they hiding it?
01:01:11.000I think they're just trying to put it right out in the open.
01:01:13.000Tyrell, you think that's a good assessment?
01:01:15.000Oh, I think it's that and also, yeah, I think that, you know, they kind of feel that, you know, we'll let them talk about this and have this little corner and, you know, they're never going to be a threat to us.
01:01:24.000But yeah, the more people are talking about it, the more people are exposed to the truth, you know, that will get that ball rolling and take our liberty back, take our country back, you know, and stop programs like, you know, mentoring and Canada programs.
01:02:30.000You know, like I said, the more people talking about it, the more, you know, programs like Alex is listening to, shows like are watched, and the more you get that piece of truth out there and let people hang on to it, you know, or at least just defend a different opinion.
01:02:43.000And even if you don't believe anything that we're saying, at least just listen so you have different opinions in your life.
01:02:58.000Thank you very much for that, because without your tireless efforts and those who have followed you, this would not be possible.
01:03:05.000Yesterday was the first day that I felt really hopeful when your program on what was going on with TARP and AIG and European media bursting loose on H1N1.
01:03:19.000Okay, and I thank you so much, because I don't think true TV would be possible without your work.
01:03:55.000And like I said, even if you don't believe every alternate viewpoint you come across, you have to leave yourself open.
01:04:01.000It shouldn't just be a right or left debate.
01:04:04.000You know, you can't just be spoon-fed your whole life.
01:04:06.000It's okay to be a free thinker, even if you're proven wrong.
01:04:09.000You can have a great theory or a great, you know, good book.
01:04:11.000We've tracked down many conspiracies that ended up being dead ends or facts that ended up being untrue, so we had to move in a different direction.
01:04:18.000But that's the nature of investigation, the nature of good public discourse, you know, is being able to have all sorts of viewpoints presented.
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01:09:29.000We also have Bankstergate with Tim Geithner, open discussions of him being indicted for fraud, getting money for himself and others out of bailout money, and ordering the government to cover that up at AIG.
01:09:41.000And so we'll get her take on BanksterGate as well.
01:09:45.000But we are very honored to have Birgitta Jones-Dottir on with us.
01:10:13.000And the thing is that the Brits and the Dutch, they want us to pay back with huge interest.
01:10:21.000So they're actually making money off us, money that never reached Iceland.
01:10:25.000And most Icelanders had never heard of these accounts before everything collapsed.
01:10:30.000And they put the anti-terrorist law on us, almost like guinea pigs, because they had not tried to use that particular Terror Act law.
01:10:39.000And instead of putting it on the bank in the beginning, which was privately owned, they put it on Iceland.
01:10:45.000And actually, during our incredible system, almost entire system collapse, when all the big banks collapsed, they decided to put the Terrorist Act on us, so we were very close to not having food in Iceland.
01:11:00.000Now, start at the beginning, for people that don't understand what's happening and why this is so important globally, with what happened in Iceland, the chain of events, and now the incredible fight you and others are leading against the banking cartel, literally turning your country into a vassal state through economic fraudulent conquest.
01:11:22.000Well, it all happened a few years ago.
01:11:24.000All the big banks were actually government-owned, or the people owned them.
01:11:29.000And we had a conservative party run Iceland for 18 years, and during that period they basically privatized everything the people owned, including the banks, a few years ago.
01:11:40.000And they sold the banks relatively cheaply to friends and allies.
01:11:45.000And they made, in a very short period of time, all the legislation vanished.
01:11:49.000That would have them, you know, having to not expand as quickly as they did.
01:11:55.000They became five times bigger than the annual GDP.
01:11:58.000And so when they collapsed, you can imagine how huge flow it was for the nation.
01:12:03.000Now, today, in Iceland, there's been, what, almost a year of protests and people taking over government buildings and saying no.
01:12:16.000And a key vote is coming up by the people of Iceland on whether or not you're going to capitulate to this fraud.
01:12:42.000So we had the soft revolution driving the government away.
01:12:46.000And then when we got a new government, which apparently is just like the old one, unfortunately, with all their secrecy and bowing to the IMF.
01:12:58.000Which, you know, I really think that we need to get a plan B to get rid of.
01:13:04.000There's been an ongoing protest and it's growing bigger and bigger again because people are very unhappy with the way the new government is handling things even though it is the first left-wing government in the history of Iceland.
01:13:19.000Because you can't run left-wing politics with the IMF controlling the national budget.
01:13:27.000And we've been, you know, in the Parliament.
01:13:32.000You know, I'm not really a politician by heart.
01:13:34.000And our movement, we were created out of all the different grassroots that popped up after the collapse.
01:13:42.000And we got, just in eight weeks, more than 7% of the vote.
01:13:46.000And we didn't have any money, no big money people behind us.
01:13:49.000Just a relentless effort of ordinary people who wanted to build a bridge between Parliament and the people.
01:13:58.000So, you know, when we got into Parliament the Iceland dilemma landed in our lap.
01:14:04.000And we found out that they wanted to pass this huge burden on the nation without even the parliamentarians seeing the contract between Iceland and the Dutch and the British government.
01:14:19.000So the fight started there and fortunately the contract was leaked and that has been a great blessing for us that so much of the material they wanted to hide from us and the nation has been leaked on sites like Wikileaks and into the media in Iceland.
01:14:38.000However, we passed, we managed to change the contract this summer, which was actually totally unique and a new way also for other nations that are suffering from, you know, spending all their national budget, all their GDP on dispaying interest of foreign debt.
01:14:58.000So in the The changes on the bill we managed to put in that we would never pay more than we could handle.
01:15:06.000And of course the British and the Dutch did not like that and they demanded that we would actually change Icelandic law in order for them to accept it.
01:15:17.000And our government decided to listen to them.
01:15:21.000Unbelievable that they pushed another bill through with There was a question if they would actually manage to get majority vote or not.
01:15:32.000And when they passed it during that time, which was by force, the nation got up to its feet and 23% of the nation signed the petition asking the President of Iceland, who is the last person to sign all law, to not sign this law and let the nation vote on it.
01:15:53.000So this is the first time in Icelandic history since we voted on becoming a sovereign state when we got out of the Danish colonialism in 1944.
01:16:02.000So it's truly historical and I really hope that we will have the courage to vote no to this out of courage but not, yes, out of fear.
01:16:11.000Because of course there is a great spin and that is why it is so important for the Icelandic people to feel the support of the people of the world who are fed up with bailing out the bankers.
01:16:22.000We're talking to Birgitta Jones-Dottir, a member of the Icelandic Parliament.
01:16:29.000She is also the chairman of her new party that is rising to power there, as people see that they're actually standing up for the population, against fraud, the population.
01:16:42.000We've played those videos here of people taking over banks, government buildings, you know, mainline, families, middle class, wealthy people, working class, because literally the country was imploded by design.
01:17:19.000And I mean the actual bondage, the financial enslavement to these people and that they were doing it all in secret, just like our banker takeover in October of 2008 was done in secret.
01:17:31.000And everything else is done in secret by these banks that form the shadow government.
01:17:35.000So can you speak to the type of hardship this has created for your country and the secrecy that these people were trying to engage in to get your country to sign on to even more tyranny?
01:17:50.000Well, what the previous government managed to do was to create a law that allowed the banks to maintain complete secrecy of their loan books and so forth.
01:18:04.000Even if now all the banks, especially the bank that controls the iSave accounts, is now, you know, taken over by the government, we, the parliamentarians can't, and not even the Minister of Finance has seen what is supposed to be the bond or the assets that are supposed to cover iSave.
01:18:25.000And I've asked for it from day one since last summer, officially and unofficially, and they've just stayed within the state, the liquidity committees.
01:18:40.000However, I think people are awakening to the fact they're starting to demand more, which they didn't.
01:18:47.000And I think one of the good things about this difficult situation Which means, you know, there's a lot of people moving away from Iceland.
01:18:54.000There's a wave of... There's a huge brain drain already happening.
01:18:59.000And we used to be the fifth richest nation in the world.
01:19:03.000And now we're ranked among the fourth most likely nation to go bankrupt, to go into debt moratorium.
01:19:11.000And, you know, we had very little poverty here and there was a very little gap between the rich and the poor.
01:19:18.000However, that all changed with the new billionaires that basically got everything given on a silver platter and are now responsible for the reason why we're here, but their assets have not been frozen yet.
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01:24:16.000Americans are losing their jobs or having their pay cut, their savings are being destroyed.
01:24:22.000We're going through the same process as Main Street dies, as everything is fed into the big banks.
01:24:29.000But they tell Americans, oh, we've got a great economy.
01:24:36.000Going back to our guest, Birgitta, looking at this and the fraud they're engaged in, go over the con for people, the type of fraud these banks are engaged in, and then tie that in with the spin they're putting out to counter you and other Icelanders that are refusing to become slaves.
01:24:59.000Well, I guess the con started Relatively sneakily, you know, because they were sort of passing loans between the banks with nothing really behind it.
01:25:11.000They were making all these fancy bundles and stuff like that.
01:25:15.000And I honestly don't have the English terms for it.
01:25:20.000But then in the end, when they were truly becoming desperate for cash, they started to call on elderly people and immigrants, asking them to move their savings to high-risk accounts, saying that there were no risk accounts.
01:25:35.000And telling them that, you know, even though it had better interest, it would be still Completely safe for them to save the money there.
01:25:45.000And then they basically rinsed out all that money into God knows what.
01:25:50.000Probably it's all resting in Tortola Islands or something like that.
01:25:57.000The spin that's happening right now with the Icelandic government and the media, it's almost shocking.
01:26:03.000It feels like they are You know, somehow working with the Dutch and the British in order to make us submit to their fear-mongering because one of the mantras they had in Parliament when they were forcing this bill through was that Iceland would become completely isolated.
01:26:24.000We would become Cuba of the North or Zimbabwe of the north, Nigeria of the north, and that everybody would stop doing business with us.
01:26:35.000We could not get loans anywhere, and our export would be in danger.
01:26:43.000We had the same thing here in October of 2008.
01:26:46.000They said, you will have martial law, you will have a collapsed economy, give us unlimited power, and then now there's talk of criminal charges against Geithner and others.
01:26:57.000It's the same people that robbed us, robbed you.
01:27:00.000Why not have the people of Iceland swear out warrants and arrest these bankers that engaged in fraud?
01:27:06.000That will end their propaganda immediately when the people openly see them in irons.
01:27:12.000Yeah, that's what everybody's waiting for.
01:27:14.000There is actually, I'm on a committee that has just been founded to go through the, there is a truth commission report coming out early next month.
01:27:24.000And everybody's waiting in anticipation about what is going to be in that report.
01:27:30.000I hope that both politicians who were sleeping or openly engaged in this scam And allowing all the institutions to be laid down or thwarted with new legislation.
01:27:46.000And the criminals that stole the money and actually the guys that owned Lunchbunky, the iSave host, have been openly, you know, associated with the Russian mafia.
01:27:58.000So we're dealing with very big elements here and that is why I think that The people in Iceland need more than anything to feel that we're not alone in the world.
01:28:09.000That the people of the world, more than anything, are behind us.
01:28:13.000And I'm starting an international petition where the only thing people need to do is just to say that they support us in this quest for freedom from this tyranny and blackmail.
01:28:25.000And they've also been using the EU because what the new government did was to apply for membership of the European Union.
01:28:33.000Despite the fact that the majority of the nation is not willing to join it.
01:28:38.000And one, people have to bear in mind that even though we're very few, there are 320,000 people living on the island.
01:28:45.000The island is the same size as Kentucky.
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01:31:38.000And the Congress is saying, who do we make the checkout to?
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01:34:00.000The public wants to know why they're losing their savings and their jobs.
01:35:00.000And I want to open the phones up for our guest specifically on BankerGate if you specifically have questions for our guest.
01:35:12.000On what's happening in Iceland, what's happening in Europe, what's happening here in the U.S., on how they stood up to the bankers, how they're starting to defeat them.
01:35:20.000The toll-free number to join us today on this Wednesday, the 13th day of January 2010, is 1-800-259-9231, 800-259-9231.
01:35:32.000And joining us via video Skype from the capital of Iceland is the member of parliament and the chairman of her party that is really getting more and more seats and more and more popularity as the people stand up and find their legs against the bankers.
01:35:47.000Birgitta Jones-Dottier, again, is our guest.
01:35:51.000As we went to break, I was asking the question,
01:35:54.000For people that just joined us, now that it looks like Iceland's gonna vote against paying this fraudulent debt to the bankers that have already robbed you, they just want more now, now they go, oh, suddenly we found all these assets in the bank, looks like you don't owe us, even though it's fraudulent, owe us as much as we thought, so now they're backing off, going, okay, we won't destroy you, we won't embargo you, we won't put blockades up, we won't destroy your nation after we already robbed it, if you just pay us a third of what we wanted.
01:36:24.000So again, we're showing that these guys are paper tigers, straw men, if you'll just stand up and fight them.
01:36:30.000And leading that fight, we are so honored to have you, and we salute you because we're all in this fight together.
01:36:45.000Yeah, but I mean, you come up in all the major newspapers around the world, and of anybody, you really are the figurehead, and a quite well-spoken one as well.
01:37:00.000So, I mean, it's your face there on the front of the ship.
01:37:05.000Well, in some aspects, but however, it's been a lot of people working on this and so I don't want to take all the credit for it.
01:37:14.000One thing that we should also bear in mind when it comes to the Icelandic Saga, the Ice Age Saga and the entire collapse, is that I actually met with John Perkins last year, just before I got elected into Parliament, and I asked him, you know, what should we do to get rid of the IMF?
01:37:33.000And he told me that the most important thing we could do, and I think the same applies to you in the States and all over the world, is that you are the creator of your reality.
01:37:46.000And if you want changes, you are going to have to do something.
01:37:51.000And, you know, obviously we were hit by an economic hitman.
01:37:55.000I don't know who it is or if there were many, but it is blatantly obvious.
01:37:59.000And it was very interesting how Iceland, when we were actually doing really well, they decided to go into the biggest construction, constructing a huge dam.
01:38:10.000In order to give Alcoa dirt cheap energy that nobody knows the price of.
01:38:15.000And that's one of the battles, is just to find out how cheap they're getting the energy.
01:38:20.000And the policy of the government that was previously, and the government that was previous to that, was basically to sell Iceland's energy They're cheap.
01:38:34.000If you were reading, if you would read some of the proposals on getting all the aluminum smelters into Iceland, which is by the way one of the last pristine nature in Europe, you would be shocked.
01:38:50.000So there are many aspects to this saga and we're just in the beginning of understanding How deep it goes and it will be very interesting to see who are the corrupt people and if the nation has the guts to have them punished in one way or another for how they have sold out our country.
01:39:15.000And the interesting thing as well is that when the British decided to use the Terrorist Act on Iceland, very similar to how the Chinese took over Tibet, the Tibetans didn't have any army, they had a few people with guns that were hunters, Icelanders don't have any army or military and our cops don't even carry guns.
01:39:36.000So, you know, it's probably the least threatening nation in the world to being passed on side by side to Al-Qaeda and Zimbabwe and North Korea.
01:39:48.000So, but the thing, the lesson to be learned for the rest of the people in the world is that we are the first one to be hit.
01:40:13.000So this key vote coming up, I mean, is Iceland going to be able to not just stop the bankers from robbing you, but actually arrest some of these criminals or at least put arrest warrants out for them and signify that they are the criminals, they are the bad guys?
01:40:28.000I mean, that will destroy them in the PR war if they're rightfully indicted for fraud.
01:40:34.000Yeah, like some of them actually still owe the media, the main media, and they're still allowed to own it.
01:40:41.000But I think that we will have another, I mean, there is a huge wave of anger brewing again among the nation.
01:40:48.000And if the president would not have allowed us to give us this responsibility of voting on this particular bill, There would have been another revolution and this time I fear it would have been more violent.
01:41:06.000But if the bankers and the people that are responsible for where we are at now are not going to get punished and put into jail or, you know, I would like to see them expelled from Iceland forever and ever, then we will have another revolution on our hands.
01:41:27.000Well, I mean, what do you call people in thousands of demonstrations, hundreds, every day, taking over government buildings, protesting in the streets, saying no, no, no?
01:41:38.000I've seen polls in Iceland where the vast majority are upset and saying they're not going to be part of it.
01:41:46.000Can you give us some of those numbers?
01:41:48.000Well, when we started protesting, you know, I come from that sort of grassroots level where I've organized protests and been part of protests for a long time in Iceland.
01:41:59.000We were just a handful of us in the beginning.
01:42:02.000There were actually more foreign media than us.
01:42:04.000However, it gradually grew into thousands of people.
01:42:09.000And because the numbers you would get in the Icelandic media would be always according to what the police estimated, because the media couldn't bother to go and count it, we only got accurate numbers when the foreign media came and counted the protesters, and it was thousands and thousands of people in some of the big protests.
01:42:29.000And then when we had the soft revolution that in the end drove the government away, I don't know, there were people protesting day and night and it was in the middle of winter here, it was really cold.
01:42:48.000I had a friend that got pneumonia from standing outside and they were doing this Uh, they, you know, they got all these drummers and all these people that were banging on pots and pans and were sort of similar to the revolution in Argentina.
01:43:02.000The Pots and Pans revolution and that is what it was called in Iceland.
01:43:06.000It was extremely noisy and it was driving the people in the Parliament crazy.
01:43:14.000So maybe it was the noise that got them to resign, I don't know.
01:43:39.000And also the police was attacked, and they actually didn't have enough mace.
01:43:46.000They were running out of mace, so they started to use tear gas.
01:43:49.000And the moral is, when people actually finally get mad and take action, nothing, no amount of SWAT teams, no amount of garbage can stop them.
01:43:57.000And people always forget, in revolution, the power of fire.
01:44:00.000And I'm not saying that's something that needs to go on here, but I mean, look, A true revolutionary force cannot be stopped when it's got right on its side.
01:44:26.000I guess the media spun it and called it a takeover, just like for months they wouldn't even show your protest, or they'd show the corner of a small group and say, these five people are out here, and then if they would have panned the camera, which YouTube showed, tens of thousands, that's how they minimized that.
01:44:41.000We've had events here in Austin with two, three thousand people.
01:44:44.000The news will come shoot the back of the crowd or a corner and only show five or six people.
01:44:50.000Yeah, that's so typical and I've actually, you know, been following what's going on in the States and seeing that, you know, the news that are not really broadcasted in the main media and It's an entirely different situation.
01:45:05.000I mean, there are pretty grim things happening in the states right now.
01:45:10.000Exactly, and they're trying to make the opposition right-wing, controlled by Glenn Beck and the Republicans, so that they can get back into power and continue the fraud, just like Obama continued the fraud.
01:45:21.000But the truth is, the Tea Parties are really libertarian and grassroots.
01:45:25.000Yeah, I've been actually following them because we're also working on this level that we think left and right is redundant and that what we really need to focus on are the issues and our causes.
01:45:36.000And our movement, for example, does not define itself as left or right.
01:45:42.000Our main objective is to bring more power to the people or the power that they rightfully own back to them.
01:45:51.000I mean, I know you can't tell the future, but right now, the banks are starting to back off and saying, okay, you don't owe us as much money.
01:45:57.000I mean, they should go to jail, much less not...
01:46:02.000Well, I think it's not really in the hands of the banks anymore.
01:46:05.000It is in the hands of the British and the Dutch and the Icelandic governments.
01:46:36.000Well, the thing is, you know, the petition and the fact that we get to vote on it, I really hope that they will not take that away from us.
01:46:43.000They can take the voting from us by pulling back the bill.
01:46:48.000But I really think it is extremely important that we have this national referendum because it will set an example for that the people can again call for national referendum if a certain percentage of the nation calls for it.
01:47:06.000Yes, it's set for around 27th of February.
01:47:11.000So we'll see what happens in the meantime.
01:47:13.000I'm part of, since I'm acting chairman right now for the movement, I get to go to all the heads of state meetings and so forth.
01:47:22.000And we're trying to form a sort of a joint approach to this, which I think is very important that the politicians who are supposed to be representing the nation come out with a strong message.
01:47:36.000That we, you know, are not going to take this as it is today.
01:47:43.000Because I feel it is, more than anything, a blackmail.
01:47:46.000And especially, you know, because the British and the Dutch have also been saying that if we don't do what they say, our application to the EU is not going to happen.
01:47:56.000But why would you want to be part of the EU and go under all their taxes and control?
01:48:01.000Well, I don't want to do it, especially because I'm in the committee that deals with the application and I've seen what sort of thing the European Union is.
01:48:12.000Oh, tell us what the European Union, as a Member of Parliament, seeing the application.
01:48:17.000I mean, that's like saying, give us all your power or we won't beat you in the head with a hammer.
01:48:50.000But the Social Democrats, who are the biggest party now, it's been their dream for a long time to join the European Union, so they put in the application.
01:49:01.000They sold the nation that, oh, in order for us to see, you know, what the European Union has to offer to us, we have to apply.
01:49:09.000But they did not tell us that it actually is an integrational process.
01:49:14.000And in the meanwhile, you know, while we're really suffering from this financial collapse, we're spending so much money on this particular application, whereas you could get all the information about the deal without applying.
01:49:57.000I don't think, you know, in any way if, you know, I were for the EU, this is not the right time to go and apply for membership because, you know, we're on our knees and that is not a good space to negotiate at all for a good deal.
01:50:11.000But if the banks still take over and loot you guys, the public's gonna rise up again.
01:50:16.000Certainly your populations learn the lesson that standing up's the answer.
01:50:21.000Absolutely, and I really, really hope that by, you know, if we can get support from people from around the world who are fed up with the same sort of, you know, responsibilities they're given by the bankers, but basically, you know, they're basically erasing the middle class.
01:51:59.000Hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone.
01:52:04.000This is our last chance to not relive history.
01:52:08.000As we're finishing off this agenda, we're pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
01:52:13.000We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
01:52:19.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.
01:52:25.000For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.
01:55:18.000Back during the banking crisis when it hit the news here, Ron Paul was interviewed and asked his opinion of what we should do.
01:55:27.000And of course he said, let the banks fail.
01:55:31.000And then they asked Dr. Paul, well, what does Congress think we should do?
01:55:36.000And Dr. Paul said, Congress doesn't have a clue.
01:55:42.000Do you have the same frustration in Iceland that, would you say, is the same level that Dr. Paul has here of the ignorance, just plain old ignorance, that exists in the body of lawmakers?
01:56:36.000One good thing about this entire economical collapse in Iceland, I don't know how it is in the States, is that people have actually educated themselves a lot about what real economy is.
01:56:51.000So I have a tendency to try to look into, you know, what can we learn from it and are there any positive elements in the particular situation?
01:57:01.000And I think there is a lot of good positive elements in this.
01:57:04.000For me it is a dream come true to see the Atlantic wake up to realize that they can actually be the change makers in their own world.
01:57:13.000Yes, real change, not fake Obama change.
01:57:18.000Your question to the lawmaker from Iceland.
01:57:21.000Yes, my question to your guest, Alex, is how can we, the American people, support your fight in I saw in your fight for sovereignty and what supplies might be needed.
01:57:33.000Well I'd say this, email their media, letters to the editor, call people you know in Iceland, spread the news, the articles that our guest Jones Dotier writes.
01:57:43.000What else can they do to support your fight against the New World Order?
01:57:48.000We're setting up a site that is going to be up in about a week called... I'm just reading out the site address.
01:58:03.000And I think more than anything the Icelandic people need to feel that they are supported by you guys who are listening to this and who have been reading my... Yes, SaveThePeopleOfIceland.com.
02:00:40.000Hey, Birgitta, I had a question that might be a little redundant from the last caller, but you mentioned something about an international online petition.
02:00:50.000Is that still in the works, or is that something that could be at the website?
02:00:55.000Yes, I'm actually putting it together, and I haven't had time to finish it off today, but it is going to be on this website, SaveThePeopleOfIceland.com.
02:01:07.000And I guess the only thing that we're asking is that people just put their name there, that they support us in this battle.
02:01:13.000Well, Iceland is the very front line of the bankers trying to rape and rob the first world.
02:01:19.000We've got to stop them there, and we've got a good chance.
02:01:30.000Birgitta, what else can we do to help Iceland?
02:01:34.000Just spread the word and if you find any, if you happen to stumble across any information that might help us get the IMF out of Iceland, use services like Wikileaks because we feel that this is A much bigger problem than just Iceland's problem.
02:01:58.000You know, like they said, experts in the European...
02:02:02.000Law has said that it is actually a question if we have any legal responsibility in it.
02:02:56.000Yeah, thanks Alex for taking the call.
02:02:58.000Real quick, I see a lot on the media, I watch a lot, I listen to you guys, I listen to a lot of other news sources.
02:03:04.000The key thing I just was curious about is that you have a lot of these people now that are pushing for credit unions as like the new way to kind of help the economy or help feed the banks in some way, shape, or form of putting a run on the major banks.
02:03:16.000But isn't that kind of like the tail wagging the dog type scenario?
02:03:22.000Well, whatever you can do to decentralize, to get out of the big banks, to support local, it's all part of a process of learning and awakening to these parasites.
02:03:33.000Actually, one of the first things that I did during the collapse of the banks was to see if there were any banks in Iceland that had not been, you know, over-investing or, you know, part of this big scam.
02:03:47.000And there were actually two banks that are found in Iceland and they're in the countryside.
02:03:52.000So I moved, I actually didn't have much money.
02:03:56.000So I moved the little money I had and all my transactions over to there.
02:04:00.000And I encourage people not to participate in the big bank scams.
02:04:03.000I mean, the only way to change anything is to change your own ways.
02:04:11.000We have an operation that's international, so we do have some money in several big banks, but we're trying to move it into smaller banks, but that's a great idea.
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02:07:02.000They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
02:07:05.000Certainly we'd never intend to procrastinate getting our own food supply until there was none left at any price.
02:07:10.000We would intend to have plenty of food so the relief organizations could care for those unable to care for themselves.
02:07:16.000We would intend not to be standing in the bread line with the ignorant and the foolish who pretend the facts of food disappearance are untrue.
02:07:24.000If the experience of the Katrina disaster is evidence, the bread line may have no bread.
02:07:29.000Just like the good intentions on the road to that unheavenly place, the good intentions alone to get a supply of food will not feed us.
02:07:37.000Only getting our food supply immediately will make us independent and fearless for the future.
02:08:29.000I was talking to Birgitta Jones-Dottier, leading the charge to beat the banks in Iceland, not tooting my horn, an example of what you, the activists, have done.
02:08:40.000A few months ago, she got a copy of The Obama Deception, and she already knew a lot, but that helped, you know, give her even more info.
02:08:46.000And so another example of how The Obama Deception, Follow the Republic, the type of effect these films are having all over the world.
02:08:54.000Every few days, I get newspapers calling up saying, these films have been seen tens of millions of times for free online.
02:09:00.000How much money are you making on those free views?
02:09:27.000I want my grandchildren, who aren't even born yet, to live in a free society.
02:09:31.000They won't even be able to have children under the one-child policy if the globalists are successful.
02:09:37.000Now, Catherine Austen Fitch has an amazing bio.
02:09:41.000She has managed more than $25 billion of transactions and invested today in his letter portfolio strategy for $300 billion of financial assets and liabilities.
02:09:51.000She was also the number two person at the Department of Housing, Assistant Secretary of Housing.
02:09:59.000The commissioner of the first Bush administration and it just goes on and on and on the things that she's done again Assistant Secretary of Housing Federal Housing Commissioner in the first Bush administration of President Hamilton Securities Group Washington DC Investment Bank super high-powered lady in the system coming out and exposing it and she's talked about the crimes committed by Geithner and other people and you have Geithner at the New York Fed that runs policy for the Fed you have
02:10:28.000Paulson at the time at Treasury, the former head of Goldman Sachs, Geithner formerly of Goldman Sachs, giving themselves a hundred cents on the dollar for made-up derivatives they made that the public had no, you know, contractual agreement to pay for to them.
02:10:44.000You have them also ordering AIG to make it secret.
02:10:47.000And now that's continued on, and that clearly, according to Judge Napolitano and many others, is a federal crime.
02:10:53.000But somebody who really understands this is Katherine Austin Fitts, so we're going to talk about Bankstergate or Bankergate.
02:10:59.000I don't want to call it just Timmy Geithnergate.
02:11:01.000Tiny Timgate, because he's just one of these people.
02:11:04.000It goes to Larry Summers, it goes to Robert Rubin, it goes to Ben Bernanke, it goes to everybody that got rid of the Glass-Steagall Act.
02:11:12.000So joining us is a true bonafide expert in all of this, Katherine Austin-Fitz.
02:11:18.000Alex, it's always a privilege and a pleasure.
02:11:20.000You know what I would love to tell everybody about is how important this Geithner story is.
02:11:30.000You know, it kind of seems like a big sort of inside baseball squabble, but I really want everyone to understand what's at the heart of this.
02:11:43.000And every time, whenever you and your wife go to buy a car, you have to pay 5% to get a loan, but he can get a loan for 0% or 1%.
02:11:50.000And then when you get a mortgage, you have to pay, you know, 8% to 10%, but he can get a mortgage for 0% or 1%.
02:11:57.000And then when he starts a business, he can get special loans from the local municipality for 0%, and then you have to, you know, use your savings or borrow your money or take another loan on your house.
02:12:08.000Well, it doesn't take long to figure that he's going to, you know, if this keeps going on, he's going to be able to buy up everything in town, right?
02:12:16.000And that's what this is about, is we've got two classes of players.
02:12:20.000We've got a Federal Reserve Bank that's saying, we reserve the right to provide low-cost, if not free, cost of capital, and even now gifts.
02:12:30.000You know, so instead of him borrowing money at 1%, they just give him the money so he can buy, you know, all the houses up in the neighborhood.
02:12:39.000And what we're talking is a backdoor financial mechanism that allows a small group of people to basically buy up and take control of everything because they have, you know, low cost to free money, whereas everybody else has to pay, you know, market rate, you know, or a much higher rate, number one.
02:12:58.000But number two, if, let's say, he gets in trouble, he gets bailed out, you get in trouble, you lose your house, you lose your car, you lose your family.
02:13:05.000And so we're talking about a society that is turning into, you know, two societies, two economies, and one is getting rigged money.
02:13:16.000And that's what this is about, because if you've got a Secretary of the Treasury who's basically trying to rig things, not for the people who are productive, not for the people who are making our economy strong, not for the people who are creating jobs, but the people who are the best dirty players, then, you know, it's, for a financial person, but the people who are the best dirty players, then, you know, it's, for a financial It can be.
02:13:38.000It can never work, because instead of allocating capital based to, you know, who's productive, we're allocating capital to who's the best dirty player with the most inside pull.
02:13:48.000You know, it's kind of devolved into, you know, the schoolyard in Lord of the Rings or something.
02:14:00.000This is the financial version of Animal Farm, and that's what this is about.
02:14:05.000Because we've seen, you know, since the beginning of the Republic, until two years ago, in all the wars, Alex, in all the programs, in all the government waste, in all the government spending, we've built up $12 trillion of debt.
02:14:18.000And then, in a year and a half, This administration has lent or given as a gift $12 trillion to Wall Street and the financial firms.
02:14:32.000And that is, can you imagine, that is an amount equivalent to all the money we've ever borrowed since the beginning of the republic.
02:14:44.000And that's what it's about, and the power of this thing is, are we going to create a level playing field, or are we not?
02:14:51.000Because if we're going to rig, if we've got a Secretary of the Treasury who's going to rig the game, you know, in visible, secretive ways, and one of the magical things here is, and I've got to give him a lot of credit, is Bloomberg has brought a lawsuit, they won in the first round in August, for Freedom of Information Act against the Federal Reserve.
02:15:13.000Um, brought a lawsuit and won in the first round in August, and the Fed has now appealed.
02:15:19.000It's in the Court of Appeals, and the Fed is saying, we need the ability to lend an insider group of firms $2 trillion, which is part of the $12 trillion, and not tell you who got it and on what terms.
02:15:34.000And we don't have to provide that under freedom of information law.
02:15:37.000It's just, it's an arrogance which takes your breath away.
02:15:41.000And they're setting the precedent to do even more in the future.
02:15:46.000And you talk about a rigged game where they get the free money and now it's just given to them.
02:15:50.000They then use that money as weapons to buy off states, buy media, buy infrastructure, blow out third world countries, now blow out first world nations.
02:16:00.000And they have their people in both parties, as you know, in all the major regulatory positions And I think that's why they're so arrogant now, is they're going for broke.
02:16:10.000The big question is, and I want to get into how we can push to get Geithner indicted or a special prosecutor or something like that, but the big question is, where are they headed if we don't stop them?
02:16:22.000Because they have the incentive to shut off money to Main Street so it's destitute, so they can come in and buy it up for pennies on the dollar.
02:16:31.000I mean, the reports now, if you look at the commercial real estate market, we haven't begun to see all the falls in the commercial real estate market.
02:16:40.000Um, you know, they're talking about buying things at 50% or less of, you know, the market height.
02:16:45.000And this is what I saw as Assistant Secretary of Housing.
02:16:47.000I came in as Assistant Secretary of Housing in 1989, and at the time FHA was the largest property owner because of our foreclosures.
02:16:56.000And then the RTC got created to handle the dispositions of the S&L.
02:17:05.000My secretary was on the board of the RTC, and so I was involved.
02:17:09.000And we were taking in massive amounts of property, and the fraud, Alex, was off the charts.
02:17:14.000You know, you'd get a portfolio that says, there are 10 mortgages on this block in Detroit, and you'd go there, and there were no houses there.
02:17:23.000But what happened is, when the first bids came in, no one knew if the bids would work.
02:17:29.000And I looked at the first three bids and I said, oh my God, the people buying this are buying at 10 cents on the dollar what their syndicate sold two years ago for, you know, 200% of market value.
02:18:09.000Oh, the fraud is so much bigger because they played the game.
02:18:12.000You know, the black budget game happened in the real estate market, in the mortgage market in the 80s, but it didn't happen in the securities market.
02:18:23.000And the other thing that didn't happen, Alex, was we didn't have what's called the Plunge Protection Team.
02:18:28.000If you look at the market manipulation done by Treasury and the Fed as a matter of policy, we didn't have that.
02:18:37.000You know, a firm like Goldman Sachs or the firms involved in this squabble now with Geithner, you know, they didn't begin to have the opportunities to trade on inside information that now exists.
02:18:48.000You know, you've read the stories of front-running or naked short-selling.
02:18:51.000You know, all these things have been documented, and I think, you know, when I first, I live in Hickory Valley, Tennessee, and when I first moved here in 1999, saying, that's it, I want out of Washington and Wall Street, they've gone nuts.
02:19:04.000People here could not fathom the extent of the corruption, but what I see happening, which is so exciting, your story about the Obama deception is a great example, is people are beginning to realize, you know, this thing is not an adult You know, we're not watching a group of adults.
02:19:22.000We're watching a group of people who've been getting away with it for so long that they are no longer connected to reality.
02:19:28.000And the rest of us are seeing, you know, if a bunch of psychopaths can finance at 0%, and you and I are subject to not only the constraints of the market, but the regulations and costs they load and pile onto us, then there's no way out.
02:19:44.000It's a little bit, Curtis Mayfield had a great song called New World Order Reset.
02:19:48.000He said there's one way in and no way out.
02:19:51.000And that's what Geithner is giving us financially.
02:19:53.000He's giving us a financial... And they're hoping NORTHCOM can protect them from us.
02:21:43.000And right now in Washington, D.C., we have seen a fall of the Republic.
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02:21:59.000On the average, Americans work between 45 to 50 years, hoping to build up enough wealth to retire and live out their golden years.
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02:25:00.000That's the mindset of these tyrants and how they're selling us on tyranny.
02:25:04.000They could care less about you and your safety.
02:25:06.000I've got a law enforcement article here where SWAT says options for multiple shooter tactics says we've got to get rid of posse commentatus and put the army on the streets.
02:25:18.000You know, because you're dealing... You know, you see the... It's like the Pillsbury Doughboy.
02:25:22.000You squeeze one place, it pops out another.
02:25:25.000And what you're seeing is the lockdown across the board, and it's, you know, it's coming in in every direction.
02:25:31.000And, you know, whether it's the economic insanity and sort of the two-class system, or it's the, you know, what they're doing is they're rolling out all sorts of different controls, because they know when people figure out that our retirement system has been basically moved offshore and now there's nothing to, you know, To keep the commitments, people are going to get upset, and by that time they plan to have the food system and the healthcare system and all these different systems under lockdown.
02:26:00.000To me, one of the scariest ones you haven't brought up yet, Alex, is the idea of sending over a million Americans around to collect all sorts of data on all of us.
02:26:09.000I'm sure you've had... Have you ever had Edwin Black on the show to...
02:26:13.000To describe how the Nazis put together their original databases.
02:26:47.000I mean, there's open talk of it happening.
02:26:49.000Okay, well, here, I think lots of pressure brought on, you know, this is a time when calls to Congress can make it very, and calls to the White House can make it very uncomfortable for the White House to not make a change here.
02:27:05.000But at the heart of this matter, if you really want to make a significant shift, what we're going to have to do is work at the state and local level, and let me describe why.
02:27:14.000Have you seen the Governor of Arizona's State of the State address yet?
02:27:23.000She just came out and she said, and this is on healthcare, she said there are 14 Attorney Generals around the country, State Attorney Generals.
02:27:31.000Now working together to prepare, you know, real 10th Amendment arguments to stop the implementation of this health care reform.
02:27:39.000And if my Attorney General won't join them, I will.
02:27:45.000And where this is all going to come down, it's going to come down to 10th Amendment and where we can get a governor, an attorney general, and a majority of the sheriff in a jurisdiction.
02:27:56.000Because you know, Alex, the sheriff is the most powerful Uh, you know, I mean, the Sheriff's Office is more powerful than the military.
02:28:06.000So, you know, but where we can align the Attorney General, the Governor, and the majority of the Sheriffs in the jurisdiction, that's what's going to happen.
02:28:13.000Because the only thing that's going to stop this is when you say no.
02:28:17.000And when they say that, when they declare the 10th Amendment, that's when we're going to have to have an argument about the cash flows.
02:28:23.000Because you can't keep sending money to Washington If Washington keeps using it to break the law.
02:28:44.000Where do you build the power to say no?
02:28:46.000And ultimately, what you're going to have to do is you're going to need a combination of two things.
02:28:52.000A group of leadership, and it's going to come down to Governor, Attorney General, and sheriffs in a play.
02:28:57.000And either sheriff to show up and break up the party.
02:29:00.000Well, one, they're going to have to say no, but they're going to have to do something else, because what the federal government has been doing to prevent them from saying no is trying to get them to be financially dependent.
02:29:09.000And of course, the worst things get the economy, you know, we're in a downward spiral, and so we've got to reverse the economic spiral at the same time that you take a strong legal stand.
02:29:19.000And that's going to come down to the cash flows.
02:29:21.000And for years what I've said is, and you can do this if you get a Tenth Amendment movement in place, what I've said is, we ought to assert a common law right of offset for any money that's been wasted, spent, or is missing by criminal means.
02:29:35.000Alright, Catherine, not to interrupt, a long segment coming up.
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02:31:08.000As we're finishing off this agenda, We're pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
02:31:13.000We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
02:31:19.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.
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02:34:02.000And you were getting into where all this is going, what these people are doing, the police state grid they're setting up, the magnitude of Bankstergate, and you very astutely, people said, well wait, Obama's been in office less than a year.
02:34:20.000How can she say this administration for a year and a half?
02:34:23.000But all of my expert guests said that the last six months or so of Bush's reign, the power was fully given over to the Federal Reserve, to the banks, and that you had total fusion and coordination between the Bush bankers and the Obama bankers.
02:34:44.000You know, this is people who believe in freedom against people who don't.
02:34:47.000And it's got nothing to do with those kind of party lines.
02:34:51.000So this is totally bipartisan, and in fact, if you look at the people who've stayed between the Clinton administration and the Bush administration, or then held over between the Bush administration, at a deeper level, it's the same team.
02:35:04.000So this is not, you know, this is not two-party system is the one, you know, it's the party of just us.
02:35:11.000So now the opportunity again, Alex, is if in those states where we have alignment between the governor, the attorney general, and the sheriff, or majority of the sheriffs, and you can take a legal stand, then the question is how do you re-engineer the cash flows then the question is how do you re-engineer the cash flows so that the, you know, so that the federal government and the Federal Reserve don't pull the rug out from
02:35:35.000And so there has to be an economic plan that has to deal with all the money we're sending to Washington and all the money we're getting back, and the reality is I think they're very powerful legal arguments that say, at a state or local level, you can assert common law right of offset for all the money that's been stolen, all the money that's missing, escrow federal taxes, and say, you know something, don't send any money, we'll pay our own stuff here, and literally take control of the cash flows.
02:36:03.000But what it's going to mean is, in a lot of different industries, we're going to have to start behaving in very productive ways.
02:36:10.000One of the ways that the money has worked is the banksters are allowed to get away with murder because we get a lot of subsidies and we've allowed to, you know, we've allowed ourselves to get very unproductive.
02:36:21.000So we have, for example, we have a whole local medical community and the infrastructure in every one of our places in state that is used to very, you know, it's got a very high cost infrastructure.
02:36:33.000So we're all going to have to organize and change And the biggest one is we now have, you know, say I live in a county, the war on drugs is our biggest business.
02:36:45.000And we don't have enough people to farm, because everybody's too busy dealing or growing drugs.
02:36:51.000So, you know, we're going to have to change the local level, and we're going to have to get very, very productive.
02:36:56.000Now, if we're willing to do that, we can absolutely turn around the, you know, the economic spiral, because it's small business that creates jobs, and at some point, Prisons and drug dealing is not something that makes a nation great.
02:37:09.000The parasite economy is killing the host.
02:37:16.000It is now eating through a great deal of muscle and we have another year or two or three to make this change, but if we don't make it in a year or two or three, then we will have gone across into the abyss.
02:37:33.000So, we have a period now, and it's all going to come down to the state and local governments, whether we can get a turn.
02:37:40.000And my guess is, in some places you can, and some you can't.
02:37:46.000We're in states where the governors have played a leadership role in the 10th Amendment, and there are a lot of sheriffs, and there's a lot of infrastructure.
02:38:04.000It's declaring Tenth and Ninth Amendment.
02:38:06.000And we have those success stories and leaders at the state level that will speak out and will be bold.
02:38:13.000We can then catapult that movement also into Washington and accurately assess the criminals That we're facing, and so we do see some bright things happening.
02:38:41.000You know, they play the control file, they play the dirty trick, they play the entrapment.
02:38:46.000You know, there's all sorts of positive incentives and negative games they can play.
02:38:50.000And I think the question is, is there a way we can communicate and organize locally so that they can't?
02:38:55.000Because if you look at all the different laws that are happening right now, health care, food safety is a big one, census, all these things, we are across the constitutional line.
02:39:06.000And the important thing I want to make, really the important point everybody needs to get in their spirit is, these are the things that are destroying the economy.
02:39:14.000I mean, when you, it's like taking a horse or taking a boxer.
02:39:19.000And tying his hands and tying his legs and then putting him in the ring.
02:39:54.000It's JPMorgan Chase, and they outsource the data servicing to India, which means in Tennessee, which is one of the states where they provide the services, we now have 20% of our population on food stamps, okay?
02:40:09.000So, more than a million people on food stamps, and those people, many of them get unemployment checks or welfare checks.
02:40:45.000That's part of the healthcare problem.
02:40:47.000And so, and JPMorgan Chase is doing the servicing work, and the theory is that we can pay somebody in India or in Latin America to do something that the people who are getting those food stamps could do here, and it's cheaper to pay them not to work and then pay somebody else in Latin America to do the farming, and somebody in Asia to do the data servicing, and that's just not true.
02:41:10.000And that's why, if the state and local players can sit down and say, Okay, how can we re-engineer this, move all those jobs back to our state, do this on an economic basis?
02:41:22.000Where is the opportunity to create lots more cash flows into the local small businesses, lots more equity, lots more skills, lots more knowledge?
02:41:31.000You know, it's all there, but you're going to have to deal with, okay, we can't let the Feds have control because they're literally draining our lifeblood.
02:41:41.000Well, I think the number one mission is to continue to point out there are criminals out in the open who won't say where trillions of dollars went, and then we find out it went to them personally, and they ordered the holding companies that they laundered the money through, like AIG, to not, in federal filings, tell the feds or the public that the very bankers running policy and government were the ones that were getting the money.
02:42:03.000I mean, a five-year-old can understand That basic fraud, and the fact that we do hear talk of indictment on MSNBC, and we do even see Ed Schultz saying, man, Obama's really bad.
02:42:41.000So that people will accept the states taking back over.
02:42:45.000You have got to make the changes because the reengineering that has to happen in Austin, Texas, is totally different than the reengineering that has to happen in Hickory Valley, Tennessee.
02:42:56.000And so there's got to be a fundamental economic change bottom up.
02:43:22.000Because we have created a financial mechanism That would allow us to borrow massive amounts of money globally, and so we've had massive amounts of money, and as long as the criminals could engineer that subsidy, this could keep going and they could offer more money at cheaper prices, and we've been willing to go along with that.
02:43:41.000Now, do you remember my red button story?
02:43:59.000I'm in the middle of the speech and explaining that the Department of Justice in 1999 had told a reporter I was working with that the U.S.
02:44:05.000economy launders $500 billion to a trillion dollars a year of all dirty money.
02:44:08.000So, not just narcotics trafficking, but illegal gambling, tax evasion, financial fraud, everything.
02:44:14.000Okay, now with the financial fraud, it's much bigger.
02:44:17.000But at that time, $500 billion to a trillion.
02:44:19.000So I said to this wonderfully spiritual-evolved audience, if you could push a red button to stop all hard narcotics trafficking in your community, your neighborhood, your country tomorrow, thus offending the people who control all this money, who here would push the button?
02:44:34.000Out of 100 people, only one would push the button.
02:44:37.000I said, why would you not push the button?
02:44:39.000They said, we don't want our mutual funds to go down.
02:44:42.000We don't want our government checks to stop.
02:44:53.000And so, what it's going to come down to is, we've seen the Fed monetize the whole treasury and mortgage market last year.
02:45:02.000And so, obviously, you can't keep monetizing at this rate.
02:45:07.000And so now the day has come where the bell is ringing and saying, we can't get free money forever anymore, so something's got to give and we've got to change.
02:45:17.000And those changes are going to happen, Alex, in the places where our governors, our attorney generals, and our sheriffs can come together, assert 10th Amendment right, and now we're all going to have to support them in re-engineering the economic flows.
02:45:31.000But when it comes out the other side of the sausage maker, we're all going to have to be a lot more productive.
02:45:38.000Well, it is true that half the population is on some form of government dole, or payment, or job, and the government's only getting more aggressive, more parasitic, more militarized.
02:46:04.000And that's why this guy, I think it is very, very important.
02:46:08.000I said in my year-end wrap-up, which I called the year of the giant vampire squid, the wonderful story from Rolling Stone, declared Goldman Sachs the giant vampire squid.
02:46:20.000Basically what these guys did, Alex, in the 90s and early 2000s, they moved trillions of dollars out of the country, a lot of it illegal.
02:46:48.000And they're, you know, they're basically, they're pulling their train out of the station and leaving us to grapple.
02:46:53.000And they're moving their base of operations to China and openly bad-mouthing America and saying it's not a good place to invest to further depress it so they can buy everything up.
02:47:05.000The Geithner, a Geithner investigation and indictment, because we now have, remember we have Geithner saying, oh, you know, I proposed a deal where I didn't give Goldman Sachs 100 cents on the dollar, and they said they were fully hedged, so they didn't care, and they'd rather see it default, and they'd pick it up on the other side.
02:47:25.000And we now have the Goldman CEO and Chairman saying, in testimony today, well, wait a minute, you know, nobody offered me that deal.
02:47:35.000So we now have pitted the Secretary of the Treasury and the Chairman of Goldman Sachs, and one has got to be lying.
02:47:40.000So if you can turn this into, you know, testimony under oath investigation, You know, you can still open a door and unravel this whole thing.
02:47:51.000So it is not, you know, it's never, it's never, since I'm a big woman, I hate to say it, it's never over until the fat lady thinks, but it's never over until the fat lady thinks.
02:48:00.000So I think that, I think your hammering on the Geithner and a possible Geithner indictment is very, very important, because let me tell you, it is inconceivable to me that there is, that Geithner is not criminally liable for what's happened.
02:48:14.000Well, we have to pierce this veil of infallibility and potpourri, or whatever you want to call it, where the elites just stumble around in fancy suits with SWAT teams around them saying, I will rob this, I will rob that.
02:48:58.000Now, if the average American taxpayer pays $100,000 lifetime, $100,000 of federal taxes in a lifetime, say, How much is $10 billion divided by $100,000?
02:49:08.000That's how many people are going to work their whole life for that one giveaway by Timmy Geithner.
02:49:15.000In other words, don't think of it as $10 billion.
02:49:19.000Think of it as—we've got to do the math—think of it as that many lives.
02:49:29.000And it sets the precedent for even—if we don't stop them now, They're setting up new bubbles, new scams, new frauds.
02:49:37.000Right, so if I'm not mistaken, 100,000 people are going to work their entire life to pay the taxes for Geithner to do that.
02:49:47.000You know, and it's not just, here's the thing Alex, it's not just Americans, it's people all over the world, because people all over the world are being forced to buy Treasury securities.
02:49:58.000You know, it's a global taxation system.
02:50:00.000They buy Treasury securities, the Treasuries go down 5-10% a year, and so they get drained, just like communities all over America are being drained.
02:50:08.000It's global, it's not just in America.
02:50:11.000And so, you know, here, I mean, people are giving up luxuries, you know, or now necessities to play this game.
02:50:18.000But, you know, people are losing their lives all over the world because of this drain.
02:50:23.000So it's not just when you give away $10 billion, you know, say it costs you to give away 100,000 tax lives in America.
02:50:30.000But you're literally giving away lives, you know, around the world.
02:50:34.000So it's a slavery, it's a slavery system engineered through financial means, and it's highly invisible, but I think we're beginning to understand it.
02:52:10.000That we're pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
02:52:13.000We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
02:52:19.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.
02:52:24.000For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.
02:52:42.000And right now in Washington, D.C., we have seen a fall of the Republic.
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02:55:15.000Catherine Austin Fitz, where do you see gold going?
02:55:17.000Even though they've been trying to drive it down, it's going back up now.
02:55:20.000Well, I think we're in a long-term bull market for what I call tangibles, real things.
02:55:25.000Throughout history, through investment history, Alex, you go through periods where financial assets perform much better than tangibles, and then tangibles perform much better than financial assets.
02:55:38.000But what's happening is the investor, Jimmy Rogers, somebody asked him whether he believes in peak oil.
02:55:45.000And, you know, the fundamental economics of the planet is we have 6 billion people and growing, and there's only so much real stuff, whether it's space metals or precious metals, commodities.
02:55:57.000So we're absolutely in a long-term bull market.
02:56:00.000And when you have all this inflation and paper scams, people always run back for real assets.
02:56:05.000Right, and that's, you know, if you look at the one currency that people recognize, not because anybody requires them to or not because the government has it, the law, But the currency that is liquid and recognized all around the world is gold and silver.
02:56:19.000And so I think what you're seeing is a lot of, you know, we've printed all this paper, whether it's Treasury securities or derivatives or other kinds of fiat currencies, and, you know, and now people are saying, well, you know, what can I hold that's real?
02:56:36.000And not only that, what can I hold that's real that I can put in my pocket and take with me?
02:56:41.000So I think we're in a long-term bull market for precious metals.
02:56:43.000I don't think it's a, you know, it's a magic bullet.
02:56:47.000You know, you can't, it's not food, it's not water, you know, so it's no magic bullet.
02:56:52.000But it's got to be part of your portfolio.
02:56:54.000You know, this is definitely an asset that people should understand and consider.
02:56:59.000I'm loathe to say it should be in everybody's portfolio because everybody's different, you know, and so there's unique, you know, it's unique for everybody.
02:57:07.000It's extremely volatile, so it's something that you Before you tiptoe into this, it's something you really, really want to learn, and we have some great audio seminars.
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02:57:26.000Well, Catherine, I appreciate you spending time with us.
02:57:29.000Even if we don't get Geithner indicted and they're talking about it and they're having congressional hearings about it, we can at least politically convict them and politically crucify them because they deserve it.
02:57:43.000And just openly in the court of public opinion, explain these are a bunch of swindlers, so as they try to carry out more scams in the future, people don't buy into it.
02:57:53.000It's so important, Alex, that everyone understand That we're looking at a group of people who really have gone across the line and are not going to come back.
02:58:06.000These are not responsible leaders that we can look to.
02:58:09.000These are people who are across the line in something that is really, if it keeps going, is going to kill many of us.