Former Congressman James Traficant joins Alex Jones to discuss the IRS Kamikaze attack in Austin, Texas, and why it is so important to know what really happened to him and why he should never have been released from prison.
00:00:11.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:16.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:20.000Well, for the next hour, ladies and gentlemen, then we're going to get back into the kamikaze attack in Austin and what's really going on there.
00:00:30.000But for the next hour, former Congressman Traficant is our guest, James Traficant.
00:00:38.000We're very honored to have him with us.
00:00:42.000He, of course, ran in 1984 as a low-budget grassroots campaign for Congress despite being outspent 7-1 by an incumbent Republican.
00:00:50.000Traficant won handily by 18,000 votes.
00:01:18.000I'm sorry I haven't been there so far, but you've really educated the American people, for sure.
00:01:27.000Well, you've been in solitary confinement and in the concentration camp, so you couldn't come on, but it's great to have you here.
00:01:34.000Sir, break down what really happened to you for some out there that may not know and why it's so important.
00:01:39.000Well, I think what's amazing about the whole ordeal was it was a $15 million investigation over a span of six years, over 250 agents, all on or about the time that the Trade Center and the Pentagon were being attacked.
00:01:55.000The bottom line is the government, and this is the issue now, Alex, that will be coming to bear.
00:02:00.000The government admitted at trial, voluntarily, that they made no audio or videotapes on me in six years.
00:02:07.000And the reason they did that, it's evident, is because they had no evidence of any crimes whatsoever.
00:02:13.000They had no evidence, physical evidence.
00:02:15.000They had seven people who were pressured to lie.
00:02:18.000Three of them, four of them already recanted that they were pressured to lie.
00:02:22.000And there's a young man in Nigeria who submitted an affidavit to the Nigerian government that his life was ruined because he wouldn't perjure himself in the trafficking case against trafficking for the government.
00:02:40.000And I think everybody in Austin is familiar with the term, I've had it by now.
00:02:47.000Well, since you brought that subject up to me when we went to break, what's your bottom line on the attack on the IRS building?
00:02:54.000Well, you know, the IRS has become such an agency where they actually have testified, Alex, before Congress.
00:03:02.000That fear Fear is what produces compliance, voluntary compliance, by the American people.
00:03:09.000And without fear, there can be no collection of taxes.
00:03:13.000Now, to me, this is an absolute oxymoron in a free republic to hear a statement like that coming from an institution such as the Internal Revenue Service.
00:03:24.000You know, my particular case is quite documented.
00:03:28.000I am the congressman that did change the burden of proof in a civil tax case.
00:03:32.000Before 1998, the taxpayer was guilty and had to prove himself innocent.
00:03:37.000I was able to change that in a 1998 tax bill with the help of a Texan by the name of Bill Archer.
00:03:44.000The chairman of the Republican Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, and Bill Archer put my language in in the conference committee because the IRS had threatened a veto by President Clinton if it had the Travagan language.
00:03:55.000So I want to give tremendous credit in the state of Texas to that little man.
00:04:00.000I think if George W. Bush would have made Bill Archer his Secretary of the Treasury, this country wouldn't be in the fix it's in.
00:04:06.000But having said that, Alex, the results were dramatic.
00:04:09.000They did a study one year before the bill and one year after, and all of the variables dealt basically with the traffic and burden of proof language.
00:04:17.000Wage garnishments dropped from $3.1 million to $560,000.
00:04:19.000Property liens dropped from $670,000 to $160,000.
00:04:21.000And individual family-owned homes seized by the IRS dropped from $10,070 to 57 homes, Alex.
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00:08:46.000They dieseled him until his feet exploded, driving him around for weeks, chained up.
00:08:50.000This is the type of Hanoi Hilton stuff that's going on.
00:08:53.000We're going to talk about what happened to Trafficant in prison, why he was persecuted, the IRS, what he thinks of the event in Austin, what he's told me off air if he wants to say that on air.
00:09:03.000Then we'll talk about who targeted him for persecution and why.
00:09:08.000And how he's going to be the comeback kid, and hopefully our listeners will support him.
00:09:15.000I just got his address for people to send him, not campaign money, he's going to run again as an independent, but to get him back on his feet so he can.
00:09:23.000Because they've ruined him and sucked his treasure out of him so he can't defend himself.
00:09:28.000If this ever happens to me, and unfortunately there's a good chance it will, when I get out of prison I want people to support me.
00:09:45.000Well, Alex, first I want to say is I know you said that maybe one day when you're off the air, maybe you might have similar type of problems, and I want to say this.
00:09:54.000Maybe one of the best compliments you'll ever get.
00:09:56.000I think you would have deserved that because you would have drawn the ire of a government that is completely out of control.
00:10:03.000And I believe your voice is becoming that strong that, quite frankly, I'm going to give you a little bit of advice now.
00:10:08.000Be very careful and watch yourself because you are having that kind of an effect.
00:10:12.000And when people start and begin to have an effect, if it's not singing to the choir, it's a real problem.
00:10:18.000But having said that, we were talking before about the Internal Revenue Service.
00:10:22.000You know, I'm like everybody else in the country, seeing the headline news and the fiasco and the tragedy that struck Austin.
00:10:31.000But you know, when you look at the Internal Revenue Service, they have evoked over the years fear.
00:10:39.000In fact, they've testified, Alex, before the Congress of the United States, that without fear, they wouldn't have their voluntary, quote-unquote, voluntary compliance.
00:10:56.000Now, in 1998, I was the individual responsible for changing the burden of proof in the civil tax case.
00:11:03.000As I said earlier, I want to tip my hat to a Texan, Mr. Bill Archer.
00:11:09.000Mr. Bill Archer was the Republican Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee.
00:11:13.000And that the trafficking language was not in the bill, that reform bill, because the IRS had threatened a veto to President Clinton if it contained the trafficking language.
00:11:22.000Well, after the bill passed the House, I got a call from Chairman Archer, and he said, you know, we have so much support for your bill, that he said he was going to put it into the conference committee between the House and the Senate, and he did.
00:11:34.000And I honestly believe this, and I want the people of Texas who are listening to hear this, that I believe if President Bush Would have named Bill Archer, his Secretary of Treasury of America, would not be in the fix with them today.
00:11:47.000Now having said that, what the Travagan bill basically said was this, up until 98, Alex, you had an agency that says, Alex, you owe us $50,000.
00:11:56.000And you say, my God, how could I owe you $50,000?
00:11:58.000And they say, well, prove you don't, Alex.
00:12:01.000The burden of proof you see was on the taxpayer.
00:12:06.000And in 98, when a bill passed, they did a study one year after the passage of the bill, Alex, and they compared one year before the passage to one year after the passage.
00:12:16.000And there were three salient points of concern that were covered by their study.
00:13:03.000One per state when they had to prove it.
00:13:05.000You see, one of the last measures that I had, and it really was upsetting, and Chairman Archer said he liked the bill.
00:13:13.000Well, I teamed up with two Republicans, Billy Tozan of Louisiana and Dan Schaefer of Colorado, and it was the flat tax, the fair tax, a straight consumption tax.
00:13:28.000It repeals the 16th Amendment and throws out the IRS.
00:13:32.000It abolishes all withholding, all debt taxes, all capital gains taxes, corporate taxes, individual tax on expenses for education, investment tax.
00:13:46.000And what everybody's saying, well, you're going to put a 25% consumption tax on us trafficking, and you're going to bankrupt everybody with these cost increases.
00:13:55.000Listen to this study that was performed in Harvard.
00:13:58.000They said when you throw out this burdensome tax code that has destroyed companies and destroyed our competitiveness, they said they will have downward movement to gain market share.
00:14:07.000Sounds like capitalism all over again.
00:14:09.000And they predict that the prices would hardly raise, if at all.
00:14:14.000And you'll have Social Security fully funded, Medicare fully funded, and you'll have the same neutral, if not more, revenue stream than we have now.
00:14:22.000But the bottom line is, you see Alex, it's time to reward work.
00:14:26.000Our tax code is basically a progressive communist tax code that was founded by Karl Marx.
00:15:10.000And there's so many people that have it, and it's not unusual to see him venting at the Internal Revenue Service.
00:15:16.000My God, Congress of the United States is derelict in their duties to not repeal the 16th Amendment, throw out individual personal tax, reward a man for his labor, not punish him.
00:15:31.000Well, look at Geithner, and most of the White House don't pay their taxes, but then the news is saying, look at this tax cheat, Joe Stack, he's scum, but then the big boys, they don't even have to pay the tax.
00:16:50.000And it's not change that's needed, it's replacement.
00:16:53.000And I think, and I will make this statement on your show, if the United States does not throw out the progressive income tax and replace it with a fair tax, America will implode similar to the Soviet Union.
00:17:08.000It's just a matter of time with that debt approaching $14 trillion.
00:17:30.000We're going to break that down, and how if you can be persecuted like a heretic, this can happen to anybody.
00:17:35.000But finishing up with the whole income tax, they're raising all these other state taxes, local taxes, federal taxes, everything's starting to go bankrupt.
00:17:49.000Paul Sengen can give $200 million of bailout money to himself and give himself a waiver, and then nobody even knows why James Traficant went to jail.
00:18:04.000But specifically, looking at this, how long do you think America has till it completely collapses if this out of control government continues?
00:18:17.000I would say we... I can't predict the exact time, but I will say this.
00:18:22.000I think it is inevitable, and I think it will be within the next generation, the next 20 to 25 years, where America will implode, and certain states will move towards saving their own revenue and moving off on their own, maybe a compacted state.
00:18:35.000I could see a state like Alaska with their own revenue stream bigger than most of the countries in landmass over in Europe saying, hey, we're on our own, guys.
00:18:44.000And I could see this starting to happen.
00:18:46.000I think Georgia legislature has advanced an initiative stating that they'll collect the federal tax, but they won't send it to Washington.
00:19:28.000I think the headline that all Americans may expect, I hope it doesn't happen, but God forbid it does, is they'll wake up one morning and they'll hear a conversation on your show, Alex, about the dollar crashing.
00:19:40.000And when that dollar crashes, you will see an implosion in America, you'll see civil uprisings, you will see a massive hemorrhage of the institutions of the United States of America.
00:20:32.000And I discovered, and I was able to get documents from the Justice Department that not only prove he was innocent, Alex, but who Ivan the Terrible really was.
00:20:43.000It was so blatant in America, the pressure that Israel, through their lobby, had put on me and put on our government, that Congress wouldn't hold a hearing on my evidence, and the Sixth Circuit Court in Cincinnati wouldn't accept the trafficking evidence.
00:20:56.000I sent it over to the Israeli Supreme Court.
00:20:59.000I did a live interview with Brian Gumbel on today's show by satellite from Jerusalem.
00:21:03.000And I basically said, they put this innocent man to death.
00:21:06.000Israel's going to lose upwards of $20 billion a year from the American taxpayers.
00:21:11.000And Brian Gumbel jumped in, he says, well, what do you mean?
00:22:13.000Well I want to continue down this line because you had never been an enemy of Israel.
00:22:18.000You simply defended an innocent man and even the Supreme Court looked at the evidence and let him go and now they've grabbed him again and hauled him away.
00:22:27.000I mean it's just a complete and total witch hunt.
00:22:32.000And now you have all these top professors coming out and pointing out that the Israeli lobby and Israeli newspapers brag that they control a lot of Congress.
00:22:40.000And you have Rahm Emanuel in the White House, who's an Israeli government agent, was in their military in the Gulf War.
00:22:47.000I mean, you're only saying what much of the evidence shows.
00:22:53.000And I've always read, and experts of history have shown, that when you do beat the Justice Department, and they win, what, over 90% of their cases, they always come back, back, back, back, back, back.
00:23:05.000So was it the IRS that you exposed that got them first coming after you, and then the icing on the cake was then getting that innocent man freed?
00:23:14.000I think it was a combination of all three, but just remember this.
00:23:18.000I was one of the most bitter enemies of the Justice Department and the Internal Revenue Service, and there's no kidding about that.
00:23:25.000And I had a struggle that took me 12 years, and let me say this, I've been a Democrat all my life.
00:23:29.000The Democrats, I almost had a fistfight with Chairman Rosenkowski, wouldn't even hold a hearing on my burden of proof legislation.
00:23:36.000When Republicans did come in, and I'll give credit to Bill Archer again.
00:23:41.000There's a man that looked at the American taxpayer and he did something very significant.
00:23:45.000And I want to thank him on behalf of all Americans.
00:23:47.000I don't even know what happened to the old chairman.
00:23:49.000I hope he's still alive down there in Texas.
00:25:06.000I mean, he says cut off foreign aid to everybody.
00:25:08.000We are going bankrupt, and they call him an anti-Semite, though he wants to cut it off to Africa, he wants to cut it off to Egypt, he wants to cut it off to Iraq.
00:25:20.000And the fact that whenever somebody says, look, we need to stop being involved in all these wars, we need to stop doing this, and the ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center Come out and attack me when I am mild on this because I'm just trying to bring everybody together to audit the Fed, to get the Federal Reserve out of here, to get the 17th Amendment overturned, to get rid of the income tax.
00:25:42.000There's no doubt you get savaged when you even mildly criticize.
00:25:46.000So I can't imagine what it's been like for you.
00:25:49.000Let's briefly, because we're going to break here in about four minutes.
00:25:52.000Talk about what happened to you in prison, because, I mean, you're a tough guy.
00:25:56.000You're not whining about it on air now, but they treated you like hell, I saw on the news.
00:26:01.000Alex, the first place I went was 50% illegal immigrants.
00:26:05.000And keep this in mind, for the people of Texas specifically.
00:26:08.000Jim Travigan was a congressman who passed on the House floor, utilizing our soldiers on our border.
00:26:15.000You know, regarding the borders in the Mideast, regarding the borders all over the world, our troops are going for lunch over in Italy and going for the theater in Germany, and our borders are wide open.
00:26:25.000See, I'm very- I was labeled a bigot because here's my position on immigration, Alex.
00:26:29.000Number one, let's put our troops on the border.
00:26:59.000And both these parties are giving them everything they want.
00:27:02.000Meanwhile, you've got a healthcare system out of control.
00:27:04.000You've got approximately 15 million, truth be known, illegal immigrants consuming welfare and different programs in this country with falsified documents.
00:27:46.000Everything, but citizens are scum and trash.
00:27:49.000And so the average illegal is on three or four different welfare lines.
00:27:53.000Alex, it's so out of hand that it's a joke and it takes me to the National Health Care Bill.
00:27:58.000My God, America needs a health care bill, but there's deserving people who need some assistance.
00:28:04.000But you've got about 15 million illegal immigrants who are going to be involved in this thing and the American people are bankrupted.
00:28:09.000We've already destroyed companies and thrown them out.
00:28:12.000I don't think there's any common sense right now in Washington that I think Washington is manipulated and Washington is obstructed by outside forces and being very much manipulated.
00:28:25.000But having said that, let me get back to the prison.
00:28:27.000The first place I went to, Alex, I met 50% of illegal immigrants and they knew that I was the guy that said throw them the hell out.
00:29:19.000I believe that our government was hoping I would have died in prison and would not have come out.
00:29:25.000Okay, Congressman, Congressman, we gotta break.
00:29:28.000Come back right there and continue with the saga of your years of imprisonment and we will continue breaking down why you were persecuted and now your comeback kid status.
00:29:42.000We want today to get people to support you, get you back on your feet and launch as an independent because you certainly are a maverick.
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00:34:15.000If you want to support Mr. Trafficant so he can get back on his feet and then get justice and go after the criminals that put him in prison, But that's how they bankrupt you so you can't defend yourself.
00:35:14.000Threatened to indict one of his employees for something totally separate outside the Capitol and said, lie about him, we won't send you to prison.
00:35:21.000Basically, same thing happened to Mr. Traficant, Don Siegelman.
00:35:24.000Now, he got out after nine months and has been vindicated and has admitted it was a fraud.
00:35:28.000He was going to serve a decade, not with Traficant.
00:35:31.000He was there seven and a half years and they told him, and he'll talk about this in a moment, anytime you say you're guilty, we'll let you go.
00:35:38.000Now, so first they try to pull some medical scams on him.
00:35:42.000They put him in with the illegal aliens.
00:35:47.000Medium, maximum security, high security.
00:35:50.000Continue, Congressman Traficant, with what happened to you in prison.
00:35:53.000Well, at some particular point, you know, you made the statement that you have to stand on your own two feet.
00:35:59.000You have to be prepared for almost anything.
00:36:01.000And I had an awful lot of enemies in the prison system, and I didn't know exactly who or how someone might come at you, so you sleep with one eye open, Alex.
00:36:12.000But the bottom line was that I not only did that, I developed what I considered to be a firm resolve.
00:36:19.000And one thing Nelson Mandela said, you never really know a country unless you go through their prison system.
00:36:24.000And that's one thing he was exactly right about.
00:36:26.000You see the other side of the United States of America.
00:36:34.000I told them where they could shove that pardon, because I certainly wasn't going to admit to something that I didn't do.
00:36:40.000But very few people know is that before that trial, the Northern District Court, federal court system of Ohio, passed a rule that if you got a judge from a particular area, you got a jury from that area.
00:36:53.000And it would become the trafficking rule, because basically nobody in my congressional district was eligible to serve on my jury.
00:37:00.000Second of all, the judge made my witnesses testify in open court under the threat of perjury to her outside the presence of a jury, and they told her the truth.
00:37:12.000No one was charged for perjury, but she did not allow them to testify to the jury.
00:37:17.000And four of those people said that of the seven people who testified against me, they had admitted to somebody close or whomever who had confided in me that they lied so they wouldn't go to prison themselves or have their wife indicted or their kids indicted or their company taken away, etc., etc.
00:37:36.000She didn't allow it to go to the jury.
00:37:38.000Now we find out after the trial was over, one of the key witnesses against me, who was He perjured himself in my trial because he was caught perjuring himself in a previous trial that the judge's husband had a relationship, business-wise, with that family.
00:37:53.000I mean, this thing, it was so abusive that it speaks out.
00:37:57.000But when you're the number one target of the Justice Department, the number one target of the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee, Alex, you have nowhere to turn.
00:38:06.000You've got to stand on your own two feet and hopefully outlive it and come back and try and do what you can about it.
00:38:12.000Now, Congressman, let's break this down, though.
00:38:15.000The type of threats you got when you were in Congress, and how you got set up.
00:38:21.000There's this crisis of confidence now, because police all over the country, in every major city of Texas, just as an example, have been caught planting drugs on people to take their property.
00:38:46.000I'm for the death penalty at a grassroots level.
00:38:49.000If they catch somebody who's murdered a kid, the problem is more than a third of those on death row has been proven with DNA or totally innocent.
00:38:55.000We know that the system is so corrupt, you can't trust anything they say or do.
00:39:01.000So, but briefly, because I remember seeing it in the news.
00:39:06.000a half years i know as a man you don't like to talk about what happened to you you just want to be tough and ignore it but people need to know the type of persecution i mean tell us more what happened in prison well you're under constant threat with me i did uh months and months after end in the hole in isolation because uh they said my attitude But basically they were trying to break me.
00:39:28.000And I survived all that time in prison.
00:39:31.000I never even acknowledged the presence of any of the wardens.
00:39:38.000They said some little punk jail guard, some sadist, has this congressman, this icon, and they're telling you, I don't like your attitude, boy.
00:40:46.000Now a Secret Service agent has come out, retired, Mike Robertson, and made the following statement.
00:40:51.000He said Traffickin was certainly railroaded.
00:40:53.000He said they had no physical evidence.
00:40:54.000He said they bugged that guy to death.
00:40:56.000They had people go to him with body mics.
00:40:58.000He said anybody in their right mind knows that.
00:41:00.000He said the reason the government voluntarily made that admission in court is because Traffickin could have subpoenaed all of their tapes and said, where's the crime?
00:41:10.000I want your listeners to remember this.
00:41:13.000They said they made no tapes, didn't bug my telephone or anything for six years now.
00:41:19.000If you believe that, I got some property down in Florida.
00:42:25.000Now, his attorney that he had was a former U.S.
00:42:27.000attorney who was pressuring him along with the government.
00:42:30.000So he fired that attorney, and they indicted him to keep him out of my case.
00:42:34.000Bottom line is, here's how egregious it was.
00:42:39.000When they brought the witness to testify against me in trial, he stated that he gave me the money in an automobile in Youngstown, Ohio.
00:42:47.000But the government is clearly on record now.
00:42:51.000Clearly on record as trying to pressure Richard Detour to say that he saw the transaction in my office.
00:42:56.000And it was the prosecutor who was doing this.
00:42:58.000By the way, the prosecutor is now working for some insurance company in Columbus, Ohio, and everybody's scared to death of what happened because they know that I'm not as afraid to speak my mind.
00:43:09.000Well, let's stop there for a second, former Congressman James Traficant.
00:43:12.000I'm sure you're aware of Don Siegelman's case.
00:43:15.000It's even 60 Minutes reported it was all a staged deal.
00:43:18.000The majority of these former state attorneys, U.S.
00:43:21.000attorneys, came out and said it was a fraud.
00:43:22.000A bunch of Republicans came to his aid, even though he's a Democrat.
00:43:25.000They, it's now admitted, ordered one of his aides to lie and say he saw the check, the same thing, and it turned out that was a complete lie.
00:43:36.000So this is And it's now been confirmed Karl Rove ordered this.
00:43:40.000I mean, do you know specifically in the U.S.
00:43:43.000Attorney's Office who gave the orders to set you up?
00:43:59.000He was deputy attorney general there until this thing hit with a fellow in Nigeria.
00:44:04.000And now the fellow in Washington, D.C., who spent a million and a half dollars, he was acquitted in about 45 minutes because his attorney called him and pressured him, his own attorney, trying to encourage him to lie for the U.S. government against me.
00:44:20.000And what he did is he had a retired Navy captain who worked with him listening on the other end of the phone.
00:44:26.000And he then went ahead and did an affidavit.
00:44:29.000If you read the affidavit, you'd get sick to your stomach, Alex.
00:44:32.000Terms like this, there's no reward for honesty, Richard.
00:46:20.000They came to me, Alex, because they knew they were from Cleveland.
00:46:23.000They knew the government hated me, and they came to me last.
00:46:26.000They said no one would even talk with them.
00:46:29.000In fact, I was in my office overhearing the conversation outside, and they said we come to the gym last because no one will talk to us, and we didn't want to come to the gym.
00:46:39.000We know the government hates them, but we have no one to look into our plates.
00:46:43.000And he says, you know, and I never forget the son.
00:46:46.000I heard the son say, look, I never had a speeding ticket.
00:46:48.000I can't talk to an elected representative.
00:46:50.000My father's not asking to talk to him.
00:46:52.000I'm asking, what the hell's going on here?
00:47:12.000Now, what the newspaper didn't print, they all printed, trafficking supports Nazi mass murderer.
00:47:18.000What they didn't print was what I told the family.
00:47:20.000When they came in, I said, look, your father's been convicted of mass murder.
00:47:24.000If he is guilty, I could truly go over and pull the switch.
00:47:26.000But I believe you should be able to at least Take your case to somebody in government and it should have been your own congressman, your own senators.
00:47:59.000Well, I started to get, I was known in Congress for taking a look at things objectively and people were not afraid to confide in me.
00:48:07.000Before long, I started to get whistleblower activity.
00:48:10.000And the whistleblower type of things I got led me to certain conclusions.
00:48:14.000And I moved with a Freedom of Information Act request on Demoniuk, and they just kept drawing it in file 13 and saying, classify, classify, classify.
00:48:23.000And what I did is basically trick them, Alex.
00:48:26.000I started to look around and I researched, was there ever anybody tried for war crimes who was located at that Treblinka, Poland, concentration camp?
00:48:35.000And there was a man from Chicago, a Ukrainian, who ended up coming to the Chicago area by the name of Fyodor Fedorenko.
00:48:42.000He was tried for war crimes in America, at Treblinka, and was acquitted in America.
00:48:47.000Alex, he then went to visit his family in Ukraine, relieved of all the pressure.
00:48:51.000He was picked up by the KGB, tried over there, and executed.
00:48:54.000What I did is I submitted a Freedom of Information Act request on Fedorenko.
00:48:59.000And with that, I got documents from the State Department.
00:49:01.000And he looked just like the other guy?
00:49:05.000Well no, the documents I got from the State Department was in response to a request for information from one of our agents, Justice Department agents, over in Germany years ago, maybe 25 years ago.
00:49:17.000And it had on the bottom, Alex, it said they had another 100 pages in the file.
00:49:22.000I immediately got on the phone and I called and got a Mrs. Poindexter, because they took all my files and everything.
00:49:29.000And I said, this man's been dead for a number of years, he's not classified.
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00:54:51.000I think I've been branded as anti-Semite and quite frankly I am a supporter of Israel.
00:54:57.000I support Israel when they're doing what's right.
00:54:59.000When they do something wrong, I'm not going to be remiss here and not mention it.
00:55:03.000I believe that they have undue control of our government.
00:55:06.000But I'd like to say this, to start with.
00:55:09.000The Israeli Supreme Court gave a lesson in justice to the United States of America.
00:55:14.000This was the most controversial case, perhaps, in Israeli history, one of them.
00:55:18.000And they looked at the evidence, Alex, and they said, take him home.
00:55:23.000Now, what everybody doesn't know, Alex, is that our government went back and wanted Israel to prosecute Demonyik again on this other charge.
00:55:31.000And the Israeli Supreme Court would not allow it.
00:55:52.000Once you're targeted, and they fired a woman in 1990 or 1991, I don't know if you remember this, Alex, a top-ranking woman in the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee, and she gave out their hit list of the politicians that they wanted to get rid of, and Jim Traffickin was the number one target in the world.
00:56:08.000And I think it was because the way I handled that case, no one would help me.
00:56:13.000And I went to the House floor, and I dramatically presented the case on behalf of Dominic and his family.
00:56:19.000And I believe that I riled up many, many of the people, whether they felt that just the fact that I looked into this case, that no one should look into it, I had to have some anti-semite blood.
00:56:30.000And now Germany's hauled this guy off, he's on the death's doorstep.
00:56:34.000Yeah, I think they're holding and delaying this because I firmly believe that they do not want me over in Germany to speak out on this issue.
00:56:43.000I think they're holding this case up, holding that the old man will die over there.
00:57:03.000Well that's why I support you because I mean I looked at the facts and you've been persecuted a lot worse than Siegelman and he's been vindicated.
00:57:11.000You've been vindicated as well but not... What comes next?
00:57:14.000I mean how do you go after these guys?
00:57:20.000I really don't have any strength to do that, but this fella in Washington, D.C., this Richard Detour, may file suit.
00:57:25.000If he does, I will then back up into that suit as well.
00:57:29.000It's going to be a long, hard struggle.
00:57:31.000But I think that there's so many revelations to do that it's going to surprise an awful lot of people.
00:57:36.000But right now, I'm looking politically.
00:57:39.000I'm looking at politically not just for vengeance, but looking politically because I think America needs somebody to speak out on what the hell's going wrong, who's not afraid to speak out, who's not controlled by their party.
00:57:50.000I think too many of the politicians today have allegiance to the party.
00:57:54.000Allegiance should be to the American people.
00:57:55.000And so you're planning to run as an independent?
00:57:58.000independent and this is a Democrat area my chances aren't great I'll be quite honest as an independent but I just don't see I can't see anybody following Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid into battle and Bobby damn beam me up if I'm going to be involved in that party but but I mean why not use the machinery like Ron Paul does and use their machinery you would still be an independent it would be impossible for me to do that I would be so, so castigated here.
00:58:28.000I have to basically run as an independent.
00:58:31.000It would be hypocritical for me to run now as a Democrat with the position that I've taken.
01:00:31.000James Traficant, I was asking you during that one-minute break, former Congressman, Other key points, and you brought up the fact that you have people in Washington that are telling you you are being watched, and that there was a big secret investigation about the Denomiac case, but it was about how the traffic can't get the info.
01:00:49.000Yes, when I brought them on, the big investigation didn't center about, you know, how they suborned perjury to ruin this man's life.
01:00:57.000This was a capital offense, they were going to put the death penalty.
01:01:00.000It wasn't about how they withheld evidence about how they I mean, it's unbelievable some of the things you hear.
01:01:30.000And we've got this thing so convoluted and messed up, it's really a crime shame and it's got to be changed.
01:01:37.000We also need to thank your wife in all of this, Patricia Travacant.
01:01:42.000She stood beside you, you stood beside her.
01:01:46.000And for better and worse, and people, if they do write checks to try to get you guys back on your feet to the address, they need to address those you were telling me to Patricia Traficant, 429 North Main Street, Poland, Ohio, 44514.
01:02:03.000Congressman, we've got about three minutes left, and you were going to give me a liner for the show about...
01:02:10.000You know, Alex, I've gotten volumes of mail all through the seven and a half years, And one of the reasons I got them is people followed my little one-minute speeches.
01:02:19.000And I just didn't do them in the grandstand.
01:02:21.000I made salient points during that time and dramatized things that I think had to be made.
01:02:26.000But I became known for the statement, beam me up.
01:02:29.000And basically I just said beam me up because there's no intelligent life here.
01:02:32.000But here's what I'd like to say to the Alex Jones Show.
01:02:39.000Jim Travigan doesn't need to be beamed up on Alex Jones' show because there is an intelligent audience there and there is a message coming out that's educating that audience.
01:02:50.000And believe me when I say this, if more people were listening to Alex, and could listen to Alex, I think you'd see a direct and intended change in some of these misdirected policies that are coming out of Washington, so misdirected and absurd that if you threw them at the ground, they'd probably miss.
01:03:06.000So there's no need to beam me up here in Austin, Texas.
01:03:09.000There's intelligent life in Austin, Texas.
01:03:11.000And before I leave again, I want to say I don't know what happened to Chairman Archer, Bill Archer.
01:03:17.000But Alex, I want you to run him down, I want you to find him, and I want you to say that Jim Traffickin said thank you on behalf of the American people.
01:03:30.000What's the time frame for the election for people to start getting behind you in Ohio?
01:03:34.000Well, that means I'll be on the ballot in the November election, but I have to get signatures signed, I have to get petitions signed up until May the 3rd.
01:03:43.000I need a couple thousand signatures here, and it's going to be an uphill struggle.
01:03:46.000I'm not supported by any newspaper, any political party, any entity of anything.
01:03:51.000It's an uphill struggle, but you know what?
01:03:56.000And maybe get back to where we started.
01:03:59.000Well, the first thing we need, first thing we need, and we're going to get some domains and just give them to you to make sure whoever the volunteer is doesn't just get a domain and keep it.
01:04:43.000I think if I could leave anything there, I'd just say tune in to Alex's show, and I hope you get more coverage around the country.
01:04:49.000I think they need to hear a rational voice like yours.
01:04:52.000So thanks for having me, Alex, and good luck.
01:04:54.000Beam me up, but you don't need it down there in Texas.
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01:08:19.000We're going to have about 10-15 minutes coming up at the bottom of the hour with Mike Rivero to give us his take with Bob Chapman on the Kamikaze attack in Austin.
01:08:28.000The media trying to say it was the tea parties that did it.
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01:11:00.000As you said, he's stronger now than he's ever been.
01:11:02.000And I hope that his coming back will cause these people in Washington and in New York City spasms of despair.
01:11:18.000Well, over 90% in polls now want to abolish the Fed or audit it.
01:11:24.00075% are angry, Republican and Democrat and independent at government policies.
01:11:28.000Rasmussen, it's gaining a few points every week.
01:11:31.000I mean, the government is collapsing right now.
01:11:33.000Before we get into all the big developments in the last week in the economy that people tune in to hear your expertise on and your insight every week, the Kamikaze attack.
01:11:42.000Is he a lone angry guy who was persecuted?
01:11:47.000The fact that instantly they said Tea Parties did it and then lo and behold he was angry at the tax system is very suspicious.
01:11:54.000The reports we got that they had the emergency crews there, that was on the local news before it happened.
01:11:59.000We talked to multiple witnesses, not just the local newscast.
01:12:02.000The fact that one of our sources in the FBI said they had a threat to buildings, government buildings, the night before and dispatched Dallas agents.
01:12:10.000Was that because of his screed on the web?
01:13:07.000As far as the emergency equipment being available before it happened, if the FBI was called or found out that he was going to do that, Because of something he said on the internet.
01:13:28.000I would think that that would be a reasonable explanation as to why it was there and maybe the FBI was on to the whole thing but probably didn't know how to stop it.
01:13:41.000Or didn't want to stop it so they could play the victim.
01:13:46.000I mean if they're coming down to Austin or they already have emergency equipment out there and all this is going on, they knew where his airplane supposedly was in Georgetown, why weren't they there?
01:13:58.000So if all of that is fact, that they did know where his plane was, they should have been down there guarding it or impounding it or something.
01:14:10.000I mean, this is what the source said, and that's just one of many reports as we tried to put all the evidence out there for all of our collective minds to come to a conclusion on.
01:14:26.000And then on air, he said similar things.
01:14:28.000A lot of people out there want to believe that he did it on his own, and they like it.
01:14:34.000And I think that overall is dangerous, because North Com and the Globalists normally bomb themselves as a pretext to crack down.
01:14:42.000And I mean, I just think we're making such inroads right now, peacefully, I don't know if targeting secretaries in an IRS building is a good idea, or a good thing, PR-wise.
01:14:59.000And you know, we've preached this on all of the shows that we've been on.
01:15:04.000Don't get sucked into the vortex of the government getting you to do things that they would like to do themselves, but if you're dumb enough to do it, well, go ahead and do it.
01:15:14.000And so with that said, Uh, we don't want violence and I feel very bad that the man is now deceased.
01:15:24.000And, um, uh, there had to be another solution.
01:15:28.000I, I would say in retrospect, too bad somebody wasn't around who could have calmed him down and taken, uh, the ideas of, uh, of, uh, destroying himself and, and, uh, and in the process.
01:16:03.000And this will destroy general private aviation if they bring TSA-level control into the small airports.
01:16:10.000Now they announced yesterday, they already started this yesterday morning before this even happened, the Viper teams are now popping up everywhere with random checkpoints on the streets and at bus and train terminals.
01:16:20.000So they're certainly using this to put a giant police state Stasi in.
01:17:52.000We can get rid of the Plunge Protection Team, which is a working group on financial markets, which is an executive order.
01:18:00.000We can get rid of campaign financing, and we can also get rid of lobbying.
01:18:06.000And in one fell swoop, in six to eight months, with the right Congress, we can accomplish all of that.
01:18:12.000And at the same time, we can make inroads to disbanding Homeland Security.
01:18:21.000Bob Chapman, with Ceausescu in Romania, or Stalin, or Hitler, or Mao, or any of these thugs and dictators, Pol Pot, pick your poison.
01:18:32.000I've seen a lot of police writing me letters, and they say, yeah, it's coming to the point where they're going to have to make decisions, and when government goes bad, it's no longer legitimate, and it's natural, God-given rights for people to defend themselves.
01:18:44.000And what I've been shocked by is the level of anger of the public cheering this guy on, and it's real, it's not provocateured.
01:18:53.000I wonder if the government, and I mean the minions that are going to be facing the true brunt of this, realize what 150 million gun owners, 16 million guns sold in the last year, 14 million last year, already more than 2 million this year, realize that if 1% of that 150 million decide to stand up and fight, That is 1.5 million people.
01:19:16.000Don't the globalists understand that they may have put us to sleep for a while, but those old American 1776 instincts are there, and that if the sleeping giant stands up and it's starting to get up, it's going to be devastating.
01:19:31.000I mean, it's going to be hell on earth.
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01:23:58.000We got Mike Rivero popping in for about 10 minutes with Bob Chapman on the kamikaze attack and the latest developments to get his perspective.
01:24:16.000That I tend to agree with on a lot of fronts.
01:24:46.000Well first of all, I wrote about Goldman 10 years ago when Greece and Italy were trying to qualify and the term I used was, they're Mickey Mousing the books.
01:25:00.000And the rest of the Eurozone at that time, which today only makes up 16 of the 27 European Union members, they looked the other way.
01:25:12.000They wanted that union and so they got it.
01:25:15.000And those books have been phony all along.
01:25:18.000And as we have found out, it's been proven now that Goldman Sachs arranged the whole thing.
01:25:26.000I think it creates a sense of urgency now.
01:25:32.000I think things are starting to come unglued even more quickly than I had anticipated.
01:25:39.000I think there's a possibility that They may bring down a number of these countries' sovereign debt prior to the election, and it may include the United States.
01:25:55.000And if they do that, there may not be an election.
01:25:58.000Now I'm not saying that's going to happen, and I don't want to give these people any ideas, but that would be the perfect thing to do to get control.
01:26:50.000And even Denmark's having problems, of course.
01:26:53.000The two worst, really, for their size, is Great Britain and the United States.
01:26:59.000Now, I think what government wanted to do
01:27:03.000Or those behind government wanted to do is after the election start these things going by taking all of these countries to the edge and then having a meeting like they did with Smithsonian and the Plaza Accord and the Louvre Accords and revalue, devalue currencies and have a debt default between nations and everybody falls off a cliff together and we have
01:27:33.000Everybody devaluing their currencies, or most everybody, and then we go into a deflationary depression, which they want to, from behind the scenes, people like Goldman and Morgan and Citigroup and all of those people and the Bilderbergers and all those groups, they would then try to suppress the people of the world, quote, legally, while they were on their knees financially and economically.
01:28:02.000We now see open discussions of devaluation of the dollar.
01:28:10.000And we also, as you talked about last week, they're talking about coming in and taking people's pension funds, the government taking over people's pension funds, then paying you part of it back.
01:28:22.000The neocons are pushing for new taxes as if that's a good thing.
01:28:27.000No, I don't think taxes are the answer.
01:28:31.000The real answer is to cut government spending all over the country, not just in Washington.
01:28:49.000All of those banks and insurance companies and brokerage firms and transnational conglomerates... And let's explain that, though.
01:28:56.000All the studies show one government job costs two private sectors.
01:29:00.000So you get rid of the government jobs, a lot of them, then you get two jobs back for every job you get rid of there, and people have their own tax money.
01:29:12.000It's going to happen sooner or later, and they know it.
01:29:15.000They want it on their terms so they can control it.
01:29:19.000So they can make people do what they want to do under those circumstances.
01:29:23.000And that's why all the things that you talk about in regard to what's going on in America about Homeland Security and you can't put bars in your windows and all of these things, that is because they know the public is going to be Very, very disturbed about all this, and who knows what they'll do.
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01:34:17.000Now, we're going to go back in the economy here in about 10 minutes, but Mike Rivera has been kind enough To join us, because again, this building got hit at about 955 Central.
01:34:27.000I learned about it at about 1030 when I got into work.
01:34:51.000But we know we've played the KXAN piece where the woman said, I saw the emergency vehicles out here beforehand.
01:34:57.000I talked to multiple listeners who called in and we've talked to some of them off-air.
01:35:01.000as well, I mean, masses of calls here to the office and the comment line that, yeah, there were emergency people out there before, and we heard the boom.
01:35:09.000Some saw them before, others heard the boom, and then went out and saw the police out there with cameras already within seconds.
01:35:40.000We were looking at everything until I began to notice, and I noticed that Rivero also, because he's worked with the media, he recognized this, that real terror attacks, or real attacks against government, they tend to ignore.
01:35:51.000This was so big they couldn't ignore it, but that suddenly it kind of left the news cycle today.
01:36:06.000So I wanted to get Mike Rivero's take on what he thinks going on here and then pop back in with Bob Chapman who's with us as well right now.
01:36:14.000Mike Rivero joining us via video Skype from Hawaii.
01:36:18.000Thanks an awful lot for having me on your show, Alex.
01:36:21.000Okay, give us your bottom line on with all the evidence this early on we're not sure but what you think's going on.
01:36:27.000Well, I'm definitely leaning toward thinking this was a genuine, spontaneous action by this gentleman.
01:36:33.000He's just an ordinary working American and he got pushed to his limit and he snapped and we all have a breaking point.
01:36:39.000And I think the media was attempting to spin this to make him look like a demon and a bad guy and then when that really wasn't working, My concern was that the media was going to try and pull away the focus as quickly as possible, which, as you point out, they're doing today.
01:36:55.000And I think what's in there is we need to understand that from the point of view of the government and the media, their big priority right now, they don't want people actually reading this guy's suicide note.
01:37:05.000They're calling it a manifesto to make it sound like it's a bad thing.
01:37:27.000We're seeing the work of a lifetime being taken away from us, you know, under threat of force, spent on wars, spent on corruption, spent on Israel.
01:37:36.000And much of Congress and Geithner and the White House don't even pay taxes.
01:38:00.000And everybody understands what this guy was feeling.
01:38:03.000They don't agree with what he did, but they understand where That's right, it was bad enough, it was bad enough with the IRS outside the law, no due process, robbing everybody before for the private Federal Reserve, but now everybody's starting to go bankrupt, or on the edge of bankrupt, and they don't even have money for gas or food, and now the government's taking the house, the only thing they've got, or their little bank account with 500 bucks in it.
01:38:25.000Here's Rasmussen last week, 75% of Americans are angry at government current policies, and you know that's a low number.
01:38:34.000Most people are still trying to be polite and say, yes, I'm a loyal American.
01:38:37.000And there was a survey they did about, is it okay to cheat on your taxes?
01:38:42.000And I expect probably most people lied on that one as well because they're afraid of, you know, they're afraid of the IRS.
01:38:47.000The IRS is the instrument of terror in our society.
01:38:51.000And again, nobody's condoning what Joe Stack did, but everybody who has written into my show or called into my show, they understand why he did it.
01:39:00.000I have not heard a single word of sympathy from anybody regarding the IRS in this affair.
01:39:06.000Talking to you this morning on the phone, you were saying the government's scared.
01:39:12.000Because if there's one thing that Joe Stack has accomplished, it's kind of in a positive sense.
01:39:17.000It has made the abuses of the IRS acceptable in polite conversation.
01:39:22.000People are now willing to talk about how many of them are in serious trouble with the IRS.
01:39:26.000You've seen the flood of TV commercials for all these tax resolution services.
01:39:30.000You know, that alone tells you that most of Americans are in some kind of tax trouble.
01:39:35.000And now, because of Joe, it's okay to talk about it.
01:39:38.000It's okay to talk about the abuses of the IRS.
01:39:40.000People are even now openly talking about, was the 16th Amendment actually ratified?
01:39:45.000Are the taxes illegal right from the start?
01:39:47.000I understand Jim Traficante, and by the way, please give him my highest regards when you have him on the show, he's talking about if he gets elected back to Congress, he wants to kick the IRS in a very sensitive portion of the genitalia.
01:39:59.000So, and I think most Americans are going to sign up with him on that.
01:40:05.000In your mind, is there any way this could have been an inside job?
01:40:09.000Because, you know, we know they can remote control aircraft.
01:40:12.000We know that they were out there beforehand.
01:40:19.000I've been predicting an attack in Austin.
01:40:21.000From the activities I've been seeing, they need to demonize the Tea Parties.
01:40:25.000They certainly jumped on this within three hours of it happening, and I predicted they wouldn't have said the Tea Parties.
01:40:30.000I mean, here's the New York Daily News.
01:40:32.000Kamikaze pilot Joe Stack crashed plane into Austin building, hailed by anti-government groups.
01:40:36.000And they say in here that I'm hailing it.
01:40:39.000Austin American Statesman, in an article, social media speeds up news gathering and plane crash aftermath, says that I was hailing the attack.
01:40:47.000I was saying maybe staged, or we don't know.
01:40:53.000They're certainly trying to put this on us.
01:40:57.000Well, they're putting it on you, they're putting it on Glenn Beck, they're putting it on me, they're putting it on Rush Limbaugh.
01:41:01.000They're looking to basically take the focus off the letter.
01:41:05.000As for the exact nature of it, I'm 95% convinced it was a genuine, spontaneous act by this gentleman.
01:41:13.000If it was a false flag attack, it's a very poorly thought out one, because the patsies that are supposed to be framed for it, it's not a very good case.
01:41:21.000And in this case, back when the Oklahoma City bomb went off, and little kids were being killed, and everybody was shocked and said, oh, this is a terrible thing, they're not getting that reaction here.
01:41:31.000The attitude of most of America is, well, yeah, it's a bad thing, but, you know, maybe they sort of- Claire, you've done the research.
01:41:49.000No, Gulf of Tonkin was not an inside job.
01:41:52.000It was a deliberate misinterpretation of the available information.
01:41:55.000But that is still an inside job to say you've been attacked and it's made up as a pretext for war.
01:42:02.000What I'm saying is staged provocation.
01:42:05.000Well, definitely a lot of propaganda and a lot of lying and misstatement.
01:42:09.000You know, there were no torpedoes there.
01:42:10.000But in the case of yesterday's attack, I think they were trying to take something that happened genuinely and attempt to use it for propaganda purposes, and they didn't get the traction with it.
01:42:21.000It just doesn't feel like it was planned or known about ahead of time.
01:42:25.000They just tried to take advantage of it, and they didn't really get it to work.
01:42:57.000I know it's compelling when you lose everything you have.
01:43:04.000We have a society that we shouldn't be running around killing ourselves, and usually the only people who do that are people who become unbalanced, and there are reasons for that.
01:43:20.000But the point is, don't let this get you carried away.
01:43:25.000Secondly, in the International Forecaster, I guess it was two issues back, maybe three, I had a piece in there about Remington taking an order, and I can't remember how many.
01:43:48.000I mean, 14 inches is a sawed-off shotgun.
01:43:52.000And I think that the IRS obviously is terrified that people are going to React against them.
01:44:01.000Yeah, for those that don't know, a sawed-off is generally defensive, so people that don't know what they're doing can just aim in a general direction when you're getting rushed.
01:45:35.000Just like as the government squeezes, they know they're going to force people to finally stand up, and they're going to call that terrorism.
01:45:42.000How do you see this unfolding, Mike Rivera?
01:45:46.000Fading away from the public consciousness, although Joe Stack is already sort of a cult hero in a lot of places.
01:45:52.000He's got a lot of Facebook fan clubs springing up.
01:45:54.000There's nothing new with attacks against the IRS.
01:45:57.000Generally, they tend not to be reported, but because of the high visibility of the plane crash into the building and the subsequent release of the suicide note on the internet, this one did get out there and it had to be dealt with.
01:46:09.000Uh, but there have been attacks against IRS facilities and people before and no doubt it will continue into the future.
01:46:15.000I'm in agreement with your other guest.
01:46:17.000You know, this is not a call to arms to go out and start attacking the tax people because that would just give the government the justification it needs to suspend the Bill of Rights and really become the bullying dictators that they, that we all know they secretly lust to be.
01:46:31.000And I don't want that to happen, but I think that'd be a miscalculation by the establishment as well.
01:46:36.000I think them bringing the tyranny more out in the open and getting more confrontational will only make things blow up quicker.
01:46:46.000I mean, we have the saying around here, the fastest way to bring down a dictator is to force them to act like one where everybody can see it.
01:46:52.000I just don't want to see the kind of Kent State bloodshed, you know, that this kind of a process usually entails.
01:47:10.000Anything else you want to add on the plane situation?
01:47:12.000I'll be recapping the latest developments in the next hour.
01:47:15.000I am open on this, because I've been predicting an attack in Austin.
01:47:20.000I've seen Glenn Beck now come out and put on his little blackboard, slash magnet refrigerator board, It's really what it is, but it looks like a blackboard.
01:47:33.000And he said, these people hate America.
01:47:35.000Then he did a weird PSYOP where he said, well, I'm in trouble in Texas with my listeners.
01:47:40.000He's lost 500,000 viewers conservatively according to Nielsen.
01:47:44.000His radio numbers, we'll find out later, earlier next month, those come out once a month.
01:47:50.000But his websites, anywhere people can comment, he's being shredded everywhere.
01:47:54.000He does this basic psychology where he puts up a picture of a Van Jones, and then some other Weatherman bombers next to him, and then sticks Medina up, and then Alan Keyes of all people, and says, these people are dangerous.
01:48:11.000And he's not just saying 9-11 truthers are going to stage terror attacks, but he's now saying the birthers are the most dangerous, that these are the most dangerous, when in polls that's more than half of registered Republicans.
01:48:23.000So he's like, I guess that's the word for burning yourself up in front of everyone because he's been ordered to do it.
01:48:29.000So I and I see all the talking points demonizing Tea Partiers that they're going to commit terror acts by not just him, but Chris Matthews the last few weeks.
01:49:39.000We don't want someone to come along Who is going to be cited by the government in doing these kinds of things so that they can move against people who agree with him, whether it's Joe Stack or somebody else.
01:52:10.000They'll be pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
01:52:12.000I have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
01:52:19.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.
01:52:24.000Fall of the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.
01:56:32.000And so it's hard to get a real read on it, but if I had to guess, I think gold will be up next week.
01:56:39.000And if it goes through 12-20-24 in that area, then we're going to very quickly see a move up toward $1,500 to $1,650.
01:56:53.000And if it doesn't happen by the beginning of April, it may very well happen before the end of the year.
01:57:01.000Although I think much more quickly, especially in view of what I said earlier about the problems being expedited.
01:57:11.000I don't think that Goldman Sachs ever thought that they would run into the buzzsaw that they're into right now because of their secret advice to these different nations and how to keep two sets of books.
01:57:28.000And of course, it's against the law, but that doesn't mean anything for the likes of Goldman, Morgan and Citi.
01:57:42.000And so I think that this is causing the alumnus behind the scenes to have to, even though they don't want to, expedite what they're doing.
01:57:56.000And every time you do that, you make mistakes.
01:58:00.000And I think by next year, all this thing's going to start coming down bad.
01:58:07.000And, you know, as I mentioned earlier, were they to bring it down in October, down being the sovereign nations defaulting simultaneously and having chaos within the financial world worldwide.
01:58:26.000We'd give them an excuse not to have an election.
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02:00:12.000Bob Chapman of TheInternationalForecaster.com is our guest.
02:00:14.000I'm Alex Jones of M4Wars.com and PrisonPlanet.TV.
02:00:18.000I want to say hi to all the great radio listeners out there and also the PrisonPlanet.TV viewers who are such key supporters of this radio show.
02:00:59.000I just want to say I've had the feeling they're going to do something at the Olympics for a long time now, I've always said, you don't spend a billion dollars on security and then not stage a terror attack.
02:01:09.000And now on the heels of this, I really feel that they're stirring up 9-11 memories and everyone's thinking 9-11, 9-11.
02:01:14.000Well, they don't even have to say terrorism, but you're still thinking 9-11.
02:01:18.000Because it's a plane into a building, yes.
02:01:20.000And ever since that article two weeks ago by We Are Change Vancouver about possibility of a false flag, Kinder Morgan being bought out by Goldman Sachs.
02:01:48.000And that being three days away, this happening right before that, they're stirring everyone's thoughts up about terrorism, 9-11, 9-11, and all of a sudden on Monday morning, we'll see if I'm right or not, hopefully not.
02:01:57.000I've gone as far as to bet people money this is going to happen.
02:03:59.000You know, we're looking at a situation where if there are people who are running airlines and they don't want people to fly, they're not going to be in business very long.
02:04:09.000Now, if they're executives with other companies, well, that might be, you know, the hardy lines to speak by the elitists.
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02:08:44.000Why are the globalists planning to do this?
02:08:48.000I think the globalists are being forced into it, or perhaps being forced into considering it.
02:08:56.000And I think a lot depends on what happens over in Europe.
02:09:01.000Uh, you know, these nations want a guarantee so that they won't go under, but you can't do that.
02:09:10.000I mean, the amounts are colossal, uh, you know, collectively, and that doesn't, you know, just leave the United States out of it.
02:09:18.000And so they know that they're going to have to sculpt this thing so that it suits their purposes.
02:09:26.000And before we went to break, I said it is possible.
02:09:30.000That they may try something simultaneously to bring sovereign debt nations into a meeting because they say there's going to be chaos and they'll make all kinds of exclusive excuses prior to the election.
02:09:49.000But I think the chances of that happening are maybe 30%.
02:09:53.000I think it's much more likely that starting toward the end of the year that they will be
02:10:01.000Making announcements that we got to get together and sort this thing out and we got to have that meeting that I have referred to of all the nations revaluing devaluing Defaulting among nations a new international trading unit such as a g7 weighted and perhaps even partially backed by gold they're going to have to do something and it's going to come sometime in
02:10:31.000Between, let's say, October and the end of next year.
02:10:34.000And the situation in the United States... Hold on, October this year, and then the end of next year?
02:10:44.000And, you know, in the United States, we're still experiencing, as they are in Ireland and Spain, these tremendous losses in the real estate business, both commercial now, as well as the residential.
02:11:01.000And the number of people who are losing homes is phenomenal.
02:11:06.000And on top of that, the amount of people getting laid off is less than it's been, but it's still in the minus column.
02:11:17.000In other words, unemployment is continuing to grow, but at a lesser rate.
02:11:23.000The stimulus, which is in process right now, of which You know, we hear so many varying stories.
02:11:32.000The government says that they've got 35% of the money yet to go, and others in Washington when I talk to say, look, the money's all gone.
02:11:41.000All right, Bob, we're almost out of time.
02:11:44.000So, bottom line, we're in a real depression.
02:11:46.000The media propaganda won't paper over that, and the globalists are damned if they do, damned if they don't, so they may want to intensify the crisis.
02:11:54.000I wanted to bring Ted Anderson up for just two minutes and then plug International Forecaster for folks that want to get a copy of it, because I didn't dump gold.
02:12:03.000I bought it 280 bucks or 300 or 400 or 500 or 600.
02:12:08.000And when it went down a few weeks ago, I didn't dump it.
02:12:10.000Now it's gone right back up because I know there's concerted global...
02:12:15.000Devaluing of currencies together by the G20.
02:12:17.000We just put up the headline out of Australia two weeks ago.
02:12:21.000Secret banking summit by the 24 top private central banks of the world.
02:12:28.000Clearly, they are just absolutely out of control.
02:12:32.000And regardless, we know they're devaluing currencies.
02:13:07.000What's the deal you're offering now, and can you still offer somebody buys one coin that was at the price when it was $70-something less, and they get a free yearly subscription to the International Forecaster?
02:13:21.000The Frank coin is a one-fifth of an ounce gold coin.
02:13:25.000And currently right now they're trading for $249.61.
02:13:29.000Now, if you buy one of those coins, Midas is going to pay for the $159 subscription fee to have the International Forecaster for a year for you.
02:13:39.000And I don't know how I can make this easier, but that comes out to be about $480 in gold in the price if you take that subscription money out of it.
02:13:49.000So, I mean, that turns the clock back about 10 years to buy gold at that price.
02:13:56.000That is such a... Alex, it's a great deal.
02:13:59.000It's all about educating the people and getting people interested in gold, obviously.
02:14:04.000And you're saying you can still offer that?
02:14:06.000Because you were talking three days ago that you were about to get rid of it.
02:14:16.000And in addition to that, you know, gold prices have gone up and then it backed off a little bit, which kind of scares people away from the marketplace.
02:14:24.000I wish people were smarter than that, Alex.
02:14:26.000Because they really need to be getting into the gold right now.
02:17:39.000I'm going to now move to your calls quickly.
02:17:41.000Please throw out your question, your comment, and move to the next person.
02:17:43.000In the last 15-20 minutes, I'm going to have Rob Dew in here.
02:17:46.000He knew and was off and on with different bands with Joe Stack, who it turned out supposedly played with Joe Ely and all these other big Austin... I mean, Rob Dew says he was an incredible musician, very quiet, didn't talk about politics.
02:18:06.000I appreciate you letting me take the call.
02:18:08.000I just want to be real quick and say that today on Fox News, they had another interview with another band member that Mr. Stacks played with, and he basically said the same thing that Mr. Dew said yesterday, that this guy was a real intelligent, was very squared away individual, you know.
02:18:26.000He was basically baffled at what happened.
02:18:29.000I don't want to call it a manifesto because it doesn't sound like one to me.
02:18:32.000report yourself, you clearly see that the reporter was trying to get something more out of him other than what the individual was saying.
02:18:40.000And after reading Mr. Stacks' - I don't want to call it a manifesto because it doesn't sound like one to me, it sounds more like a personal vent of his frustrations - it shows He's just frustrated or was frustrated.
02:18:56.000And I think what we're seeing is a change in tactic as far as, you know, like some people label psyops.
02:19:04.000It's where an individual actually does something on their own.
02:19:08.000But yet the higher echelons of, you know, lack of a better term, the enemy will let it play out and let people react to it in the way they want to see it.
02:19:21.000That's probably what's going on here, though there's a lot of other very suspicious signs, so the jury is going to be out for a while as we study it.
02:19:29.000Early on it was clear the underwear bomber was inside job.
02:20:59.000Hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone.
02:21:03.000This is our last chance to not relive history.
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02:24:53.000Beck has made himself irrelevant and the 500,000 views that he has lost, probably half of those are Texans because we're angry about him attacking Deborah Medina.
02:25:03.000Beck, I'm on the fence like you are with this man yesterday that flew this plane into this building.
02:25:07.000Although I don't condone what he did, I can sympathize with him.
02:25:12.000Uh, you know, if I had more time, if I even had an hour, I could tell you some very harrowing stories of what me and my husband have been through for the last 11 years.
02:25:19.000And if someone wants what you have, uh, and they don't want to take it legally, they'll do it illegally in any way Hey, with my dad, with the 89 retroactive tax increase, he paid all the taxes out of CPA, and they came to him and said, we want $500,000, and that was a lot more money than he had, and sold our cars, everything.
02:25:42.000And my dad went in with all of his receipts and everything, and they said, look, Mr. Jones, and this happened in Mesquite, Texas, they said, we are white-collar criminals.
02:26:18.000And that's what's been happening to me and my husband for the last 11 years.
02:26:21.000And these people in this town want this little jewel of a piece of land that we have, but they don't want to buy it outright because we're not going to sell it in the first place.
02:26:30.000They want to take it illegally and they have done everything in their power to take it away from us.
02:26:36.000We still have stuff coming up on our TV, for God's sakes, we don't know where it's coming from, that even a best friend of ours that lives in the Dallas-Fort Worth area that has sold these TVs for years, he's an expert on these, can't tell us what this stuff is coming up on our TV.
02:26:50.000Now I'm not saying our television is bugged, but I'm saying our television is picking up something.
02:26:55.000It came out public schools are using the quote free laptops they give kids to use the spy cams to spy on them and read everything they're writing.
02:27:08.000Yeah, I'll expect some of that taking my call.
02:27:10.000I just wanted you and all your listeners to be aware of the fact that there's a historic press conference happening right now in San Francisco I'm one of 1,041 architects and engineers and 6,600 other people who've signed Richard Gage's petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation with full subpoena powers.
02:27:53.000Last night, I listened to Katie Couric on the CBS Evening News.
02:27:58.000And she had mentioned that, like in passing, that The mother and the daughter, they had been in a hotel room when all of this had happened, when yesterday while I was watching your show on the commercials, I was watching MSNBC, and the gentleman in the brown jacket had said that a neighbor went into the house and got the mother and the daughter out.
02:28:23.000And also, one other question just for Bob, what does it mean with the Goldman Sachs guy that is taking over in Greece?
02:28:32.000Well, Bob's gone now, but it's come out in mainstream news what Bob said a decade ago.
02:28:36.000Goldman Sachs set up double books all over Europe.
02:28:45.000They chose to coordinate it, kind of like Enron and all these other crooks had Arthur Anderson cook their books.
02:28:54.000It's like they were the go-to for that.
02:28:57.000The piloting group of the criminal gang is mainly Goldman Sachs, and so that's what's happening there.
02:29:03.000Yeah, I just thought I'd mention also the fact of that, of the mother and the daughter, because there seems to be conflicting stories happening there.
02:29:10.000The whole thing is incredibly suspicious.
02:29:13.000And what's happening is, because a lot of people somewhat agree with what he did, because people are ready to fight, I think that's clouding some people's judgment and saying, no, it's not a false flag.
02:30:47.000Get your copy of Fall of the Republic on DVD at Infowars.com or watch it online right now in super high quality at PrisonPlanet.tv.
02:30:57.000Hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone.
02:31:04.000This is our last chance to not relive history.
02:31:07.000As they're finishing off this agenda, they'll be pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
02:31:12.000We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
02:31:19.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.
02:31:24.000For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.
02:35:26.000Mel Gibson plays the role of a Boston, just a regular detective.
02:35:31.000And his daughter, Basically gets assassinated and he mistakes it.
02:35:37.000Everyone thinks that it was some old enemy of his that was trying to take him out.
02:35:42.000He starts investigating and during the course of investigating, going through her things and whatnot, he finds out that she was an activist.
02:36:57.000I'd also like to say that Red Beckman woke me up.
02:37:01.000I heard him on your program, oh, I think a couple weeks ago now, and ordered the books, and everybody's wondering what they can do short of revolution and short of utilizing the Second Amendment.
02:37:17.000They're afraid we're going to take over?
02:38:26.000Hi, my name is James Cater from Minnesota.
02:38:30.000I just want to say thanks for letting me be on your show real quick.
02:38:32.000And second, just to talk to you briefly, I'm a former military vet myself.
02:38:39.000I just got out less than a year ago and I feel bad for a lot of these guys that come back all torn up and the government don't, you know, stick by us or nothing like that.
02:38:50.000So I just want to say thank you for opening up my eyes.
02:38:53.000I mean, I already knew that they were crooked as a three-legged door anyway.
02:38:59.000I want to say thank you for opening up my eyes to more and plus see if there's any way that I can, what I can do here in Minnesota to spread the word.
02:39:07.000Every person, well the best thing is my films.
02:39:32.000About three months after I got out, I was working at Target in Rochester and a friend of mine came up to me and she's like, you know, one of my buddies came up and said, oh, don't talk to her, she's a conspiracy theorist and this and that.
02:40:52.000Good to hear from you, James, in Minnesota.
02:40:55.000Bob, Dave, Jerry, Moses, I want to get to you, but I've got, and we probably will, but I've got to go to Rob Due right now because I did a special transmission from 530 to 630, or 530 to 640 last night that's just on the internet streams and PrisonPlanet.tv, and that's all posted up at PrisonPlanet.tv, because as I was about to go live, He, or as I was live, he ran in and said, I knew this guy.
02:41:19.000You hadn't put two and two together because you work with so many musicians.
02:41:22.000So just in a nutshell, what type of guy was he?
02:43:24.000clean hair and glasses and a real smart guy.
02:43:28.000He was a software engineer, and I knew he had been doing some software work, and I knew he was a pilot as well.
02:43:34.000Just somebody who really seemed to have it together when you look at different people.
02:43:42.000Some people don't look like they have their stuff together.
02:43:45.000Well, Joe always looked like he had his stuff together and that's, um, I was kind of shocked when I first heard, um, you know, when I put two and two together, like this is the Joe Stack that I knew.
02:43:56.000I was, I was really shocked because I didn't think this guy would, Ever do anything like this.
02:44:02.000I mean, it's really out of character for him.
02:44:05.000And I mean, I think we just need to start asking the questions, especially, you know, what what would drive somebody to do something like this if he is indeed, you know, the lone wolf type, what would make him what would put some push somebody to the brink to do this?
02:44:18.000Well everybody's saying that he was an amazing musician and we did get the video working.
02:44:24.000It was working fine and then as soon as we went live it wouldn't play.
02:44:52.000I've been looking at stuff on this all morning.
02:44:54.000There's some video out there, the same girl who talks about the hazmat vehicles and the fire trucks being right nearby.
02:45:01.000She also says she was close enough, she didn't see a pilot, and she was close enough to where she could have seen a pilot.
02:45:07.000She says it on one of these CNN clip that I sent to And they had technology 50 years ago to remote control a plane.
02:45:15.000They could have burned his house down, killed him, stuck him in the plane, or buried him somewhere.
02:45:19.000Some people are saying maybe he staged his death.
02:45:22.000You know, Northwood says they have CIA agents get on board an aircraft with the same tail numbers and same make, take it off, land it, take another one off that looks similar, and blow it up.
02:45:39.000I mean I think it's very important to ask the questions and look and definitely find out how the IRS is investigating this guy and at least look into that.
02:46:06.000Well, I mean, anything else about Joe Stack?
02:46:08.000I mean, what would you talk to him about?
02:46:09.000I mean, we always talked music, and I didn't get too personal with him other than, you know, general stuff, but he was always there, always on time, and always happy.
02:46:17.000I always saw him, you know, he was serious when he's playing, because you're really concentrating, but afterwards he was smiling.
02:46:23.000He didn't really drink or smoke or do anything like that.
02:46:28.000He just seemed to be a pretty clean-cut guy who was People say it was really smart, very precise, totally squared away.
02:46:57.000Well, I know he was a big Steely Dan fan, because we actually played a few Steely Dan songs, and that's one band that I can bring off the top of my head.
02:47:07.000I can't remember any other bands offhand.
02:47:47.000I think I met him in the mid-2000s, and I haven't seen him in about at least a year, maybe two years.
02:47:55.000But I've talked to people who had seen him a couple weeks ago and said he was fine.
02:48:01.000They were working on recording sessions together.
02:48:03.000So, it's really sad that in that short amount of time, you know, a guy could get pushed like that to the brink if that's, you know, what happened.
02:48:11.000And, you know, I don't know if, we'll probably never know what the IRS knows because they're probably not going to divulge their... And you shot this video we were just watching.
02:48:26.000I think it was called Green Lights On, and we were setting up lights.
02:48:28.000They had no lights there, so me and my brother were shooting the video, and we set up a bunch of lights so, you know, they would look, you know, like a band.
02:48:34.000Did you play in one band with him, or multiple?
02:48:37.000It was just one band that I would sub on bass for, and he was the main keyboard player there.
02:49:01.000He had that plane for many years, I think, before he moved to Austin, and the guy that was the band leader of the band I was in, he said, you know, I've flown in that plane down to San Antonio.
02:49:54.000come in and was talking about, they kept calling it an accident.
02:49:57.000And several of the employees corrected him because they were disturbed in him calling it an accident.
02:50:02.000And afterwards, he made a comment that there were no warning in how these fringe groups couldn't be predicted.
02:50:07.000And then he said the day before at 9.30 a.m., he heard some top-level local management in the building discussing possible shelter in place.
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02:51:20.000We the people grow cotton, wheat fabric, engrave ink, embed strips and fibers to protect from counterfeit and carting to a private bank, having it lent back at interest, forcing taxes to service debt.
02:51:30.000Or was Jefferson correct when stating a central bank issuing the public currency is a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army?
02:51:52.000Hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone.
02:51:56.000This is our last chance to not relive history.
02:51:59.000As we're finishing off this agenda, They'll be pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
02:52:04.000We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
02:52:10.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.
02:52:16.000For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.
02:52:34.000And right now in Washington, D.C., we have seen a fall of the Republic.
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02:54:11.000It's obviously, with the way AM and FM stations work, they can't just flip over to it.
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02:54:55.000Okay, Rob, I've been asking some questions.
02:54:57.000Anything else you want to add in this small world that you turned out to know, Joe Stack, everything I've heard about him and conflicting stories from the family and all this weirdness, My gut tells me there's some hanky-panky going on here.
02:55:13.000And now this IRS letter, all these calls, witnesses, the TV news, them being in place beforehand, sheltering in place, all this.
02:55:23.000Looks like it was written for people that want to have war to go, yeah, let's go and maybe try to start something.
02:55:27.000I'm not sure about that, but I've been saying Austin's going to be the target, haven't I?
02:55:33.000One thing will be interesting is to find out when the, exactly when the fire department was called for this fire because he apparently drove from his house about 25 miles north to the airport to pick up this fire.
02:56:18.000And I talked to a neighbor that said she left her house at 8.45 in the morning and apparently the fire was going then, although she didn't see it.
02:56:25.000And by the time she got to work, her cell phone was going nuts.
02:56:27.000You know, people calling her saying, there's a fire in your neighborhood.
02:56:44.000From things I've read, I've heard some reports is some guy, a neighbor helped him out of the house.
02:56:48.000Another report was that they were at a hotel the night before and came home and found it that way.
02:56:55.000So, you know, I think a lot will come out when they interview his wife.
02:57:00.000I wonder why the cops would tell the neighbors not to talk to people.
02:57:03.000That's very interesting, because you'd think they would, you know, let him be open to the press.
02:57:07.000And some people did talk to the press, but the one guy that was really, you know, sharply dressed, let's just go ahead and use that term, didn't want to talk to us, and he was a younger guy.
02:57:17.000So, you know, that'll be interesting to see, you know, if he talks to anybody in the future.
02:57:22.000I remember what he looks like, and so we'll be able to know.
02:57:25.000But the neighbors around him seemed to be, you know, older.
02:57:28.000There was the one younger lady that I talked to that left at 845 that morning.
02:57:32.000But, you know, the real victims, in addition to the people that were in the building, you know, he's left behind a wife and daughter, a stepdaughter, I guess.
02:57:42.000And then he's got, you know, he's got a daughter in Norway.
02:57:45.000So, you know, I've put my heart and prayers out to them.
02:57:50.000And, you know, I hope somebody can maybe put something.