The IRS plane that crashed into a government building in North Austin, Texas on February 19th, 2010. Was it an accident or was it part of a government cover-up? Alex Jones and Bob Chapman take a deeper look at the details of the incident.
00:00:33.000Ladies and gentlemen, on this Friday, the 19th day of February 2010, four hours of radio broadcast lay before us.
00:00:44.000We have our once a week visit in the third hour with Bob Chapman of the International Forecaster.
00:00:49.000Of course, I'm Alex Jones of Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
00:00:58.000have got a deeper view into Joe Stack, who is being billed by the mainstream media as the kamikaze attacker of the IRS slash FBI-filled office complex in North Austin, here in Texas.
00:01:17.000Of course, we broadcast from Austin, Texas.
00:01:20.000We've been out to his burned-down house.
00:01:23.000We have talked to multiple witnesses on the ground.
00:01:26.000We have collated local media reports of emergency personnel on the ground before the plane sped into the building yesterday morning at 9 55 a.m. Central Time.
00:01:42.000We have a source that talked to the FBI and said that they had dispatched people to Concerning a possible threat in Austin, that isn't evidence of a false flag.
00:01:52.000They could have been responding to his suicide slash manifesto.
00:01:58.000It appears the manifesto is real from his own personal website.
00:02:02.000There's been a lot of confusion on that front, obviously, because people didn't know it was real or not for the first few hours.
00:02:09.000Could it have been planted on his site?
00:02:11.000We're going to break down all the different facets today.
00:02:14.000But in the first hour of the radio broadcast yesterday, I said that there was a good chance the media was going to try to blame it on the Tea Parties.
00:02:23.000Some people said, how can you say that, Jones?
00:03:35.000Tried to talk to neighbors, and they said, if we'd have been here a few hours ago, we would have talked to you, but we've made a commitment not to talk now.
00:04:14.000You can call in and give us your take on what's happening on this front.
00:04:17.000But what we do know is the blogosphere, the so-called left medium, has seized upon this in an attempt to demonize the Tea Party movement, as I predicted they would do in the first hour if there was any evidence of this being deliberate.
00:04:36.000And in the first five minutes of the show, I said because the plane flew straight in at high speed, looked like it was under control because it was a government-filled building, that it was probably going to end up being intentional.
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00:08:34.000because they use that as a catch-all term, and literally the university he was at was snowed out and shut down.
00:08:40.000And this particular guest is in an area that's snowed out pretty bad right now, and their phone is just not disconnected, it's just dead.
00:08:49.000But I'm crossing my fingers, because this is a pretty big guest, we're very excited about it.
00:08:54.000Coming up also Bob Chapman the international forecaster always joins us on Fridays in the third hour and I talked to Mike Rivera this morning.
00:09:03.000I'm trying to get him to pop in with his view of What he thinks his perspective on what's happening with this Airplane kamikaze attack on the IRS building he seems to believe it's real He seems to Believe that this guy was really disgruntled and angry.
00:09:41.000But neither am I. I've said from the beginning, this thing stinks from high heaven.
00:09:46.000And I believe they're going to stage a terror attack in Austin because the evidence is clear that the feds Firebombed the governor's mansion.
00:09:54.000That's a long story, but we've gone over it before.
00:09:57.000And I know that a federal informant who was involved with a Palestinian man that was clearly murdered, was also involved with other Austin activists trying to get them to firebomb Brave New Books, according to their reports, was also the guy setting people up in Minnesota on record.
00:10:14.000He admits that with the Moloff cocktails at the RNC.
00:10:17.000There's a lot of other pieces of evidence Uh, that go into this, literally hundreds.
00:10:22.000The point is, is that I've been looking at Austin as one of the prime places, and people emailed me in the last two months when I've been saying this every week, saying, well, why are you saying Austin?
00:10:35.000And certainly those are targets as well.
00:10:37.000I'm telling you, Austin, ladies and gentlemen, so when I see something like this at the start of the show, I didn't learn about it until I was driving into work about 30 minutes after it happened at about 10.30.
00:10:46.000I get ready at home, I'd miss the news, My wife starts calling me, going, you know, do you know about this?
00:10:52.000I missed her call, listened to her voicemail, heard it, got into the office, came on air.
00:10:58.000The preliminary reports were the plane leveled off straight line into the first and second floor, accelerating.
00:11:04.000Didn't sound like somebody having a heart attack to me.
00:11:07.000Then we learned it was a government-filled complex.
00:11:10.000What's the chances of a government building being hit by accident like this?
00:11:14.000And I said, folks, they're probably going to say it was on purpose.
00:11:19.000And then they're going to say the Tea Parties are involved.
00:11:44.000Here's some of the Other articles, New York Daily News, Kamikaze pilot Joe Stack, who crashed plane into Austin building, hailed by anti-government groups.
00:13:09.000When Watson first found it, he said it's on this art website This embedded art website looks like it's Stack's site, but they've confirmed his name is Stack, and it says this is Stack's site, but we don't know.
00:14:00.000InfoWars was part of a flood of quickly sprouting blog posts and Facebook pages examining theories such as, Austin, Texas plane crash was staged.
00:14:11.000Or supporting Stack's alleged point of view.
00:14:14.000That Joe, take my pound of flesh Stack's anti-IRS fan page.
00:14:19.000So, it says Infowars was part of a flood.
00:14:24.000Nothing on my site written or posted by us saying this was good.
00:14:30.000And then they go on to mention another site but imply we're calling for violence.
00:14:35.000Same thing in the New York Daily News.
00:14:38.000Kamikaze pilot Joe Stack But they've got Lloyd Doggett in here saying, It was outrageous that some Americans were praising Stack.
00:14:57.000So the implicate, and then they go to me.
00:15:10.000On the other end of the crazy scale, internet conspiracy theorists, including Austin Radio host Alex Jones, were quick yesterday to declare that the plane crash was staged by the government to demonize the Tea Party movement.
00:15:22.000No. We said, this may be what's happening.
00:15:26.000Before anyone even knew it was intentional, I said, watch!
00:15:30.000They may say it's intentional and they're going to blame the Tea Party.
00:15:42.000Now, I got a call from someone in our office, who's done work for our office, I'll just leave it at that, who's been a good source in the past, and the FBI, out of Dallas, called him in the morning and said, we don't know, someone he knows, Called him, because he had worked previously with his father, the father of this agent.
00:16:14.000Contacted him and said, look, last night, paper came across my desk, some type of threat in Austin on a government building.
00:16:22.000And we wrote an article, Paul Watson did, saying, look, this could be from the screed that was posted, from the manifesto, and that doesn't mean the government was involved, or it could mean.
00:16:35.000Because we know with Oklahoma City bombing, and it was later declassified and confirmed years after it was called a conspiracy theory, that the FBI terror response team responded two days before and was in Oklahoma City.
00:16:47.000When they tried to deny this for years, it's now confirmed.
00:17:00.000Remember how He went on ABC News and CBS on 9-11 saying, yeah, we deployed the night before for a terror attack on the World Trade Centers.
00:17:10.000And then Giuliani, it turned out, gave two interviews saying the same thing.
00:17:13.000And then later in congressional testimony said, oh no, that never happened.
00:18:13.000It was, you know, a minor thing that happened during the day to see them hurriedly dispatched.
00:18:17.000He didn't know the specifics other than it was a threat on a government building in Austin.
00:18:22.000And then the next morning it all comes together and then we have the local newscast And other eyewitnesses we've talked to that said, yeah, there were fire trucks and police out there before this happened.
00:18:32.000And then other witnesses that went to their apartment windows and surrounded by apartments and businesses, and they said, boom, they heard the big explosion.
00:18:42.000Hundreds of windows falling out of the building on two different sides.
00:18:45.000They go to their window and there's already FBI out there with video cameras.
00:18:52.000In fact, let's go to this clip from KXAN News NBC of one of the witnesses.
00:18:59.000Is there anything else that you would like to say after seeing this this morning?
00:19:03.000I guess, sorry, the one thing I would like to say is that I know the fire department got here real fast because they actually had an engine sitting over there that just happened to be doing something with hazmat.
00:19:13.000So they were over here like right away.
00:19:22.000It's always great to have an eyewitness account, and unfortunately on a morning like this, but we thank you for your perspective this morning.
00:19:29.000So there she is, standing right in front of the building with the media, saying there are fire trucks and hazmat right here, and that's what all the other witnesses are telling us.
00:19:40.000So we're investigating this, ladies and gentlemen.
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00:34:55.000He compared himself to the Founding Fathers, said he was the Founding Fathers.
00:34:59.000Then he took a picture of Medina and put Deborah Medina, running for governor in Texas, and put her next to Van Jones and pointed at her and said, these people hate America.
00:35:12.000It's all designed for people with the mind of like six or seven year olds.
00:35:53.000But then Glenn Beck takes his picture, and sticks him on the right side of the paradigm.
00:35:58.000He has this left-right paradigm up there, and in the middle he has a circle, and he says, up here is where the extremists are that hate America, and he sticks Van Jones up there, and right next to it sticks Deborah Medina's picture up, the video's up on InfoWars.com, and PrisonPlanet.com, and he points At Medina and says these people hate America.
00:36:29.000Was the craziest thing I've ever seen.
00:36:36.000And I don't watch this show very often.
00:36:40.000Jaron said he was at a car wash a week ago.
00:36:42.000And people were in the car wash eating popcorn, all of them wrapped, 10 people or more in the area waiting for their cars to go through the wash and be hand-dried.
00:36:54.000And they were just mindlessly buying into it all.
00:36:57.000Where he's like a kindergarten teacher talking to mindless idiots.
00:37:04.000And then he stuck the picture of Alan Keyes up because he's criticized Sarah Palin for being pro-abortion and pro-global warming in the past.
00:37:11.000Alan Keyes is a real conservative, folks.
00:37:27.000They get our confidence through a fake like this, and now he's really running his true flag up, showing everybody, alright, I'm already digressing.
00:37:36.000It's just, I can't spend every show analyzing it.
00:37:39.000Just... A lot of people are seeing it for themselves.
00:37:43.000No wonder he's lost half a million viewers the last week.
00:37:46.000His show was climbing and climbing and climbing, and now, according to Nielsen, he's plunging.
00:37:52.000He's lost 10% of his audience, or more.
00:38:13.000They had the TV on in the control room on Fox, and I stopped because I was taking all these phone calls from witnesses and people, and my crew had just gotten back from Joe Stack's burnt-down house here in Austin and talking to his neighbors.
00:38:29.000And he goes, these are the people that hate America.
00:40:51.000I could play the clips right now, but it's like 20 minutes of it.
00:40:54.000I've got two different 10-minute clips, because when I got home last night, hung out with my children a while, then they went to bed, and I went and watched them in full, and it was even worse.
00:41:25.000I mean, there's going to be a certain percentage of people that are complete morons that are going to buy into this, and there's almost no point in even countering.
00:41:32.000This shows how desperate the establishment is, though.
00:41:49.000There's a lot of different ways to look at this.
00:41:54.000Remember the Rasmussen poll of last week?
00:42:01.00075% are angry at government's current policies, Rasmussen.
00:42:05.00075% of Republicans and Democrats polled, just a random poll, are angry.
00:42:14.000And so there are a lot of people saying, look, we're sick of the IRS killing people and raiding houses and taking homes without due process.
00:42:21.000And Beck last night was saying it was in any all ways un-American to fight.
00:42:41.000Well, I think he's misguided and wrong what he did.
00:42:45.000I know he was cornered, and I know the government has a lot coming to it, but strategically this is bad.
00:42:54.000And it will only make the government circle the wagons that much more against the people, instead of us reaching out to many people in government who were waking up and fixing the system by taking over the states peacefully.
00:43:05.000And by getting our own interest-free state banks, like several states have.
00:43:17.000We don't need to go the physical 1776 route unless we continue to get cornered.
00:43:22.000But we're making so much headway right now on ClimateGate, and on the FluGate, and on shooting down government takeover of healthcare, on everything.
00:43:55.000I mean, can you say the average cop or the average IRS bureaucrat or the average FBI agent deserves to die without a judge, a jury, anything?
00:44:11.000Because the one thing Glenn Beck said that was true yesterday is this could turn into a French Revolution.
00:44:16.000The problem is he then demonized a bunch of peaceful people like Deborah Medina and Alan Keyes and said they were leading to a French Revolution.
00:44:23.000See, why is he attacking people that aren't calling for violence?
00:45:29.000But I know, in a whole bunch of mainstream articles, in the Statesman, and in the New York Daily News, and a bunch of others, who are they attacking?
00:46:40.000Yep. I just wanted to let you know that on Wednesday night when I came home from work, it was the 17th, I started watching CNN Headline News.
00:46:50.000Not the regular CNN, but CNN Headline News, where Nancy Grace, CNN Student News, and Prime News All kind of go together at the 2.30, from about 2.30 in the morning till 4 o'clock in the morning.
00:47:03.000And I saw on there that a plane crashed in Texas.
00:47:53.000You've been saying it this whole while.
00:47:56.000If this is real, if this guy was a Lone Ranger and he went in to do this because he felt like he was going to show who's boss or something, it's wrong.
00:48:07.000We can't have any violence, you know what I mean?
00:48:26.000They don't deserve to die because they're almost slaves.
00:48:29.000I mean, they're slaves for somebody else, but that's beside the point.
00:48:32.000And it's really scary that they're not really labeling this as a patriotic terrorist or anything like that.
00:48:39.000They're kind of leaving the word terrorist out.
00:48:42.000And I believe that this is even more dangerous because No, then they're just saying that Americans who believe something different than what the mainstream media is feeding us and all this other nonsense, they're trying to make Americans afraid of Americans without using the word terrorist, which I believe is really dangerous.
00:48:59.000And to anybody else, just no violence.
00:49:02.000No violence, because it's just going to come back and it's going to hurt you even more.
00:49:06.000Because then that gives the system an excuse to use more violence on us.
00:49:11.000Look, one big issue In the last 10 hours, that makes me lean back towards him being a lone wolf, and we don't know that.
00:49:21.000This could clearly be a false flag, there's a lot of evidence there, but that, because that evidence there, we don't know either way.
00:49:28.000It's this, when it's a staged terror attack like the underwear bomber, It is wall-to-wall coverage every channel for weeks, and they have some big agenda they're trying to push through.
00:49:38.000Notice all these cyber attacks they're now reporting.
00:49:41.000Oh, we've got to pass the Cybersecurity Act in the Senate.
00:49:46.000The way at first they said it was terror, and now it's just a criminal act, an intentional act, they're saying, and suddenly it's off all the front pages of the news.
00:49:56.000I've always said, and this is known in the media, in the 70s, in the 60s, they had Over a thousand real terror attacks.
00:50:03.000And when they're a real terror attack, or a real attack, the media doesn't like to cover it.
00:50:08.000When they do stage an event to blame a certain group, they hype the living daylights out of it.
00:50:13.000And the fact that they're now not really reporting on this, and they're starting to shut it down, and it's not on the front page of most newspapers and magazines and CNN, tells me it may have been a lone operation.
00:50:28.000Or, because so much evidence of prior knowledge is coming out, and it's an embarrassment to the government, who didn't get down there and stop him.
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00:54:07.000The guy just played me a clip of Glenn Beck's radio show this morning where he apologized to Debra Medina and said, hey, I got in trouble with Texas for going after her, but hey, we're on the same page.
00:54:20.000Now that he's damaged her or tried to damage her, now that he said she was basically a terrorist last night, that's what he does, though.
00:54:28.000I mean, he'll have Glenn Beck on one day on TV and the next day attack him on the radio, or have him on one day on the radio and attack him on TV the next day.
00:54:38.000You know, he runs that whole stage deal.
00:54:40.000It comes out that Sarah Palin's more of a 9-11 truther in her own video statements a year and a half ago than Deborah Medina, who just said, I support people's right to question and have investigations.
00:54:51.000And going after Alan Keyes, I mean, this guy is crazy.
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00:56:28.000Can I touch on the underwear bomber real quick?
00:56:31.000Sure. The government already had a plan to put in those scanners before Christmas, December 25th.
00:57:10.000They want to make sure, because we're over in the Middle East, this is my opinion, we need to be here minding our own business.
00:57:17.000They're probably fearful that someone from the Middle East is going to come over here because we're doing things we shouldn't be doing over there.
00:57:26.000And my thoughts are they are going to have to do this because they want a reason to do it.
00:57:32.000I don't know if you know this or not, but during the trial, the first day of the trial, I guess the Homeland Security lawyer or attorney did not show up.
00:57:42.000It was something to do with her scheduling.
00:57:45.000So we know that guy's probably going to get out, you know, the FBI or government or whoever.
00:57:50.000Well, Christina, you make some great points.
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01:00:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:00:23.000Well, for the next hour, ladies and gentlemen, then we're going to get back into the kamikaze attack in Austin and what's really going on there.
01:00:32.000But for the next hour, former Congressman Traficant is our guest.
01:00:38.000James Traficant, we're very honored to have him with us.
01:00:43.000He, of course, ran in 1984 as a low-budget grassroots campaign for Congress, despite being outspent 7-1 by an incumbent Republican, Traficant Juan Handley, by 18,000 votes.
01:01:20.000I'm sorry I haven't been there so far, but you've really educated the American people, for sure.
01:01:28.000Well, you've been in solitary confinement and in the concentration camp, so you couldn't come on, but it's great to have you here.
01:01:35.000Sir, break down what really happened to you for some out there that may not know and why it's so important.
01:01:40.000Well, I think what's amazing about the whole ordeal was it was a $15 million investigation over a span of six years, over 250 agents, all on or about the time that the Trade Center and the Pentagon were being attacked.
01:02:36.000I think before it's over, I'm going to get some money out of this, and they're going to pay dearly.
01:02:40.000I've had it, and I think everybody in Austin is familiar with the term, I've had it, by now.
01:02:46.000Well, since you brought that subject up to me when we went to break, what's your bottom line on the attack on the IRS building?
01:02:55.000Well, you know, the IRS has become such an agency where they actually have testified, colleagues before Congress, that fear, fear is what produces compliance, voluntary compliance, by the American people. And without fear, there can be no collection of taxes.
01:03:15.000Now, to me, this is an absolute oxymoron in a free republic to hear a statement like that coming from an institution such as Internal Revenue Service.
01:03:25.000You know, my particular case is quite documented.
01:03:29.000I am the congressman that did change the burden of proof of the civil tax case.
01:03:33.000Before 1998, the taxpayer was guilty and had to prove himself innocent.
01:03:38.000I was able to change that in the'98 tax bill with the help of a Texan by the name of Bill Archer, the chairman of the Republican Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee.
01:03:49.000And Bill Archer put my language in, in the conference committee, because the IRS had threatened a veto by President Clinton to So I want to give tremendous credit in the state of Texas to that little man.
01:04:01.000And I think if George W. Bush would have made Bill Archer his Secretary of the Treasury, this country wouldn't be in the fix it's in.
01:04:07.000But having said that, Alex, the results were dramatic.
01:04:10.000They did a study one year before the bill and one year after, and all of the variables dealt basically with the trafficking burden of proof language.
01:04:19.000Wage garnishment has dropped from $3.1 million to $560,000.
01:04:23.000Property liens dropped from $670,000 to $160,000.
01:04:28.000An individual family-owned home seized by the IRS dropped from $10,070 to 57 homes, Alex.
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01:08:47.000They dieseled him until his feet exploded, driving him around for weeks, chained up.
01:08:51.000This is the type of Hanoi Hilton stuff that's going on.
01:08:54.000We're going to talk about what happened to Trafficant in prison, why he was persecuted, the IRS, what he thinks of the event in Austin, what he's told me off-air if he wants to say that on-air.
01:09:04.000Then we'll talk about who targeted him for persecution and why.
01:09:10.000How he's going to be the comeback kid, and hopefully our listeners will support him.
01:09:16.000I just got his address for people to send him, not campaign money, he's going to run again as an independent, but to get him back on his feet so he can, because they've ruined him and sucked his treasure out of him so he can't defend himself.
01:09:29.000If this ever happens to me, and unfortunately there's a good chance it will, when I get out of prison, I want people to support me.
01:09:47.000Well, Ali, first I want to say is I know you said that maybe one day when you're off the air, maybe you might have similar type of problems.
01:09:54.000And I want to say this, this may be one of the best compliments you'll ever get.
01:09:58.000I think you would have deserved that because you would have drawn the ire of a government that is completely out of control.
01:10:05.000And I believe your voice is becoming that strong that, quite frankly, I'm going to give you a little bit of advice now.
01:10:10.000Be very careful and watch yourself, because you are having that kind of an effect.
01:10:14.000And when people start and begin to have an effect, if it's not singing to the choir, it's a real problem.
01:10:20.000But having said that, we were talking before about the Internal Revenue Service.
01:10:24.000And we're, you know, I'm like everybody else in the country, seeing the headline news and the fiasco and the In fact, they've testified, Alex, before the Congress of the United States, that without fear, they wouldn't have their voluntary, quote-unquote, voluntary compliance.
01:11:10.000Mr. Bill Archer was the Republican chairman of Ways and Means Committee, and the trafficking language was not in the bill, that reform bill, because the IRS had threatened a veto to President Clinton if it contained the trafficking language.
01:11:23.000Well, after the bill passed the House, I got a call from Chairman Archer, and he said, you know, we have so much support for your bill, that he said he was going to put it into the conference committee between the House and the Senate.
01:11:35.000And I honestly believe this, and I want the people of Texas who are listening to hear this, that I believe if President Bush would have named Bill Archer, his secretary,
01:13:29.000It repeals the 16th Amendment and throws out the IRS.
01:13:34.000It abolishes all withholding, all debt taxes, all capital gains taxes, corporate taxes, individual tax on expenses for education, investment tax.
01:13:46.000And it's about time, Alex, and what everybody's saying, well, you're going to put a 25% consumption tax on us, Travigan.
01:13:53.000And you're going to bankrupt everybody with these cost increases.
01:13:57.000Listen to the study that was performed in Harvard.
01:13:59.000They said when you throw out this burdensome tax code that has destroyed companies and destroyed our competitiveness, they said they will have downward movement to gain market share.
01:14:09.000Sounds like capitalism all over again.
01:15:12.000And there's so many people that had it, it's not unusual to see him venting at the Internal Revenue Service.
01:15:18.000My God, Congress of the United States is derelict in their duties to not repeal the 16th Amendment, throw out individual personal tax, reward a man for his labor, not punish him.
01:15:29.000And that's where we've got to go, Alex.
01:15:32.000Well, look at Geithner, and most of the White House don't pay their taxes, but then the news is saying, look at this tax cheat, Joe Stack, he's scum, but then the big boys, they don't even have to pay the tax.
01:16:54.000And I think that I will make this statement on your show.
01:16:58.000If the United States does not draw out the progressive income tax and replace it with a fair tax, America will implode similar to the Soviet Union's agenda.
01:17:09.000It's just a matter of time with that debt approaching $14 trillion.
01:17:31.000We're going to break that down, and how if you can be persecuted like a heretic, this can happen to anybody.
01:17:37.000But finishing up with the whole income tax, they're raising all these other state taxes, local taxes, federal taxes, everything's starting to go bankrupt.
01:17:49.000Paulson can give $200 million of bailout money to himself and give himself a waiver, and then nobody even knows why James Trafficking went to jail, completely made up.
01:18:05.000But specifically, looking at this, how long do you think America has until it completely collapses if this out-of-control government continues?
01:18:25.000And I think it will be within the next generation, the next 20, 25 years, where America will implode.
01:18:31.000Certain states will move towards saving their own revenue and moving off on their own, maybe a compacted state.
01:18:37.000I could see a state like Alaska with their own revenue stream, bigger than most of the countries in land mass over in Europe, saying, hey, we're on our own, guys.
01:18:46.000And I could see this starting to happen.
01:18:48.000I think Georgia, The legislature has advanced an initiative stating that they'll collect the federal tax, but they won't send it to Washington.
01:18:56.000Let me just add, Congressman Traficant, that 30-plus states are moving to declare 9th and 10th Amendment powers, as you know, and the federal government itself has been hijacked by offshore banks, and I think it's going to happen a lot sooner No
01:19:28.000I think the headline that all Americans may expect, I hope it doesn't happen, but God forbid it does, that they'll wake up one morning and they'll hear a conversation on your show, Alex, about the dollar crashing.
01:19:41.000And when that dollar crashes, you will see an implosion in America.
01:19:58.000What people are failing to see is a tremendous problem with the federal government not basically meeting the needs of the American people.
01:20:05.000And having said that, you asked me earlier, you know, what really happened to me?
01:20:10.000You know, in 1983, I was the only American in history to defeat the Justice Department in a RICO trial, pro se, without being a...
01:20:20.000In the late 80s, I was instrumental in bringing back John Demonik from Israel, who was on trial.
01:20:28.000He was already convicted and sentenced to be executed.
01:20:30.000No one would look into this man's case.
01:20:32.000I looked into his case, and I discovered and I was able to get documents from the Justice Department that not only proved he was innocent, Alex, but who Ivan the Terrible really was.
01:20:43.000It was so blatant in America, the pressure that Israel, through their lobby, had put on me and put on our government that Congress wouldn't hold a hearing on my evidence, and the Sixth Circuit Court in Cincinnati wouldn't accept the trafficking evidence.
01:20:57.000I sent it over to the Israeli Supreme Court.
01:21:00.000I did a live interview with Brian Gumbel on today's show by satellite from Jerusalem, and I basically said, they put this innocent man to death.
01:21:08.000Israel's going to lose upwards of $20 billion a year for the American taxpayers.
01:22:14.000we're in trouble well i want to continue down this line because you would never been an enemy of israel are you simply defended an innocent man and even the supreme court look at the evidence and letting go And now they've grabbed him again and hauled him away.
01:22:29.000I mean, it's just a complete and total witch hunt.
01:22:33.000And now you have all these top professors coming out and pointing out that the Israeli lobby and Israeli newspapers brag that they control a lot of Congress.
01:22:41.000And you have Rahm Emanuel in the White House, who's an Israeli government agent, was in their military in the Gulf War.
01:22:49.000I mean, you're only saying what much of the evidence shows.
01:22:55.000I've always read, and experts of history have shown, that when you do beat the Justice Department, and they win, what, over 90% of their cases, they always come back, back, back, back, back.
01:23:06.000So was it the IRS that you exposed that got them first coming after you, and then the icing on the cake was then getting an innocent man freed?
01:23:16.000I think it was a combination of all three, but just remember this.
01:23:19.000I was one of the most bitter enemies of the Justice Department.
01:23:26.000And I had a struggle, it took me 12 years, and let me say this, I've been a Democrat all my life.
01:23:31.000The Democrats, I almost had a fist fight with Rossinkowski, Chairman Rossinkowski, wouldn't even hold a hearing on my burden of proof legislation.
01:23:38.000When Republicans did come in, and I'll give credit to Bill Archer again, there's a man that looked at the American taxpayer and he did something very significant, and I want to thank him on behalf of all Americans.
01:23:49.000I don't even know what happened to the old chairman.
01:23:50.000I hope he's still alive down there in Texas.
01:23:53.000But, Alex, I had a bullseye put on my back, but quite frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn.
01:24:00.000If you're afraid to speak out about your own country, what has happened to our Constitution and our Bill of Rights?
01:24:06.000Why is everybody afraid to whisper what's going on?
01:24:09.000Listen to the strong statement I use on your show, even though it has labeled me and hurt me politically.
01:24:14.000Israel has a stranglehold of the United States of America.
01:24:18.000They have us in foreign wars we shouldn't be involved with that have bankrupted us.
01:24:22.000and they've gone so far as having Israeli Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon making a statement on Israeli radio, October 3, 2001, the following, we, comma, the Jewish people, comma, control America, and the Americans know it.
01:24:38.000And no one read that in a newspaper in this country.
01:25:07.000I mean, he says cut off foreign aid to everybody.
01:25:10.000We are going bankrupt, and they call him an anti-Semite, though he wants to cut it off to Africa, he wants to cut it off to Egypt, he wants to cut it off to Iraq.
01:25:18.000We can't pay this bill anymore, and the fact that whenever somebody says, look, we need to stop being involved in all these wars, we need to stop doing this, and the ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center come out and attack me when I'm You're
01:27:00.000And both these parties are giving them everything they want, meaning...
01:27:04.000Meanwhile, you got a healthcare system out of control, you got approximately 15 million, truth be known, illegal immigrants consuming welfare and different programs in this country with falsified documents.
01:27:15.000And no one, neither party is dealing with it.
01:29:29.000Come back right there and continue with the saga of your years of imprisonment and we will continue breaking down why you were persecuted and now your comeback kid status.
01:29:44.000We want today to get people to support you, get you back on your feet and launch as an independent because you certainly are a maverick.
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01:33:10.000I'm going to give you James Traficant's address if you want to support him.
01:33:15.000He's completely penniless after seven and a half years in prison, solitary confinement, you name it.
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01:34:17.000If you want to support Mr. Trafficant so he can get back on his feet and then Get justice and go after the criminals that put him in prison, but that's how they bankrupt you see can't defend yourself It's four to nine four to nine North Main Street four to nine North Main Street And that's Poland like the country four to nine North Main Street Poland,
01:34:43.000Ohio Four four five one four so here's the address again four to nine North Main Street Poland, Ohio four four five one four One, four.
01:35:33.000He was there seven and a half years and they told him, and he'll talk about this in a moment, anytime you say you're guilty, we'll let you go.
01:35:40.000Now, so first they try to pull some medical scams on him.
01:35:44.000They put him in with the illegal aliens.
01:35:52.000Well, at some particular point, you know, you made the statement that you have to stand on your own two feet, and you have to be prepared for almost anything.
01:36:03.000And I had an awful lot of enemies in the prison system, and I didn't know exactly who or how someone might come at you, so you sleep with one eye open, Alex.
01:36:14.000But the bottom line was that I not only did that, that I developed what I consider to be a firm resolve.
01:36:20.000And one thing Nelson Mandela said, you never really know a country unless you go through their prison system.
01:36:25.000And that's one thing he was exactly right about.
01:36:28.000You see the other side of the United States of America.
01:36:35.000I told them where they could shove that pardon because I certainly wasn't going to admit to something that I didn't do.
01:36:42.000But very few people know is that before that trial, the Northern District Court, Federal Court System of Ohio, passed a rule that if you got a judge from a particular area, you got a jury from that area.
01:36:54.000And it would become the trafficking rule.
01:36:57.000Because basically nobody in my congressional district was eligible to serve on my jury.
01:37:01.000Second of all, the judge made my witnesses testify in open court under the threat of perjury to her outside the presence of a jury.
01:37:15.000But she did not allow them to testify.
01:37:19.000And four of those people said that of the seven people who testified against me, they had admitted to somebody close or whomever who had confided in me that they lied so they wouldn't go to prison himself or have their wife indicted or their kids indicted or their company taken away, etc, etc.
01:37:38.000She didn't allow it to go to the jury.
01:37:40.000Now we find out after the trial was over, one of the key witnesses against me, who was perjured himself in my trial because he was caught Now, Congressman,
01:38:17.000The type of threats you got when you were in Congress, and how you got set up.
01:38:23.000There's this crisis of confidence now, because police all over the country, in every major city of Texas, just as an example, have been caught planting drugs on people to take their property.
01:38:34.000It's now standard procedure, they admit, they have informants lie on the stand about political enemies they have.
01:38:41.000I mean, they can put anybody they want in prison, but The public now knows it's a fraud.
01:38:48.000I'm for the death penalty at a grassroots level.
01:38:51.000If they catch somebody who's murdered a kid, the problem is more than a third of those on death row has been proven with DNA or totally innocent.
01:38:57.000We know that the system is so corrupt you can't trust anything they say or do.
01:39:03.000So, but briefly, because I remember seeing it in the news, Well, you're under constant threat.
01:39:20.000With me, I did months and months after end in the hole, in isolation.
01:39:40.000They said some little punk jail guard, some sadist, has this congressman, this icon, and they're telling you, I don't like your attitude, boy.
01:39:49.000You're going to spend how long in the hole?
01:39:50.000Well, they find out or use little maneuvers that they have.
01:39:56.000I believe I spent close to seven months in the hole over a period of time.
01:40:00.000And that's in the hole means that you get a shower every second day, three times a week.
01:40:06.000You get to go out one day, one hour a day.
01:40:09.000And I tell you the truth, Alex, I never left the place.
01:41:11.000good. Well, sir, you've been vindicated and that's all over the press.
01:41:27.000I mean, you have officially been vindicated like Governor Siegelman, but he only got nine months, you got seven and a half years and got financially ruined.
01:41:35.000How are you going to come back at him?
01:41:36.000I mean, you now have the Secret Service agent, you have all these other witnesses against you recanting that it was done under pressure.
01:41:44.000You've got to get on the attack in my estimation, or correct me if I'm wrong, or they're going to try to set you up again.
01:41:53.000Right now, there's a man in Washington, D.C. that was pressured to lie against me.
01:42:52.000Clearly on record as trying to pressure Richard Detour to say that he saw the transaction in my office.
01:42:58.000And it was the prosecutor who was doing this.
01:43:00.000By the way, the prosecutor's now working for some insurance company in Columbus, Ohio, and everybody's scared to death of what happened because they know that I'm not as afraid to speak my mind.
01:43:11.000Well, let's stop there for a second, former Congressman James Traficant.
01:43:14.000I'm sure you're aware of Don Siegelman's case.
01:43:17.000It's, even 60 Minutes reported it was all a staged deal.
01:43:20.000The majority of these former state attorneys, U.S. attorneys, came out and said it was a fraud.
01:43:24.000A bunch of Republicans came to his aid, even though he's a Democrat.
01:43:27.000They, it's now admitted, ordered one of his aides to lie and say he saw the check, the same thing, and it turned out that was a complete lie.
01:43:38.000So this is, and it's now been confirmed, Karl Rove ordered this.
01:43:43.000Do you know specifically, in the U.S. Attorney's Office, who gave the orders to set you up?
01:43:49.000I don't know who exactly did it, but it was supervised by Michael Chertoff, who they rewarded him, making him head of Homeland Security.
01:43:56.000It was over, and they made the prosecutor in my case, number two man in the Justice Department, right underneath Gonzalez.
01:44:02.000He was Deputy Attorney General there, until this thing hit with a fellow in Nigeria, and now the fellow in Washington, D.C., who spent a million and a half dollars, he was acquitted in about Because his attorney called him and pressured him, his own attorney, trying to encourage him to lie for the U.S. government against me.
01:44:22.000And what he did is he had a retired Navy captain who worked with him, listening on the other end of the phone.
01:44:28.000And he then went ahead and did an affidavit.
01:44:31.000If you read the affidavit, you'd get sick to your stomach, Alex.
01:44:34.000Terms like this, there's no reward for honesty, Richard.
01:46:28.000They said no one would even talk with them.
01:46:31.000In fact, I was in my office overhearing the conversation outside, and they said we come to Jim last because no one will talk to us, and we didn't want to come to Jim.
01:46:41.000We know the government hates him, but we have no one to look into our plate.
01:46:45.000And he says, you know, and I never forget the son.
01:46:48.000I heard the son say, look, I never had a speeding ticket.
01:46:50.000I can't talk to an elected representative.
01:46:52.000My father's not asking to talk to him.
01:46:54.000I'm asking, what the hell's going on here?
01:48:03.000I was known in Congress for taking a look at things objectively, and people were not afraid to confide in me.
01:48:09.000Before long, I started to get whistleblower activity.
01:48:12.000And the whistleblower type of things I got led me to certain conclusions.
01:48:16.000And I moved with a Freedom of Information Act request on Demonyuk, and they just kept throwing it in file 13 and saying, classify, classify, classify.
01:48:24.000And what I did is basically tricked them, Alex.
01:48:27.000I started to look around and I researched, was there ever anybody tried for war crimes who was located at that Treblinka Poland concentration camp?
01:48:36.000And there was a man from Chicago, a Ukrainian, who ended up coming to the Chicago area by the name of Theodore Federico.
01:48:43.000He was tried for war crimes in America at Treblinka and was acquitted in America.
01:48:48.000And he looked just like the other guy.
01:49:05.000Yeah. Well, no, I got the documents I got from the State Department was in response to a request for information from one of our agents, Just Department agents, over in Germany years ago.
01:49:19.000ago and it had on the bottom Alex it said they had another hundred pages in the file I immediately got on the phone and I called 100 pages and that woman sent them to me and Alex when it come over 100 pages and that woman
01:49:35.000them to me and Alex when it come over it had testimony of trials of everybody who identified Ivan the terrible as a man named Ivan Marchenko but the big thing was there was a photograph in there of two Nazis and the guy identified the photograph as follows he said the small man on the right is talk to with the pistol the tall man on the left is Ivan Grozny
01:50:01.000man the Jewish prisoners feared the most Ivan Marchenko now I had this and I went on the house floor and I said Ivan the terrible is a man named Ivan Marchenko and when you ever hear the Justice Department His name is Ivan!
01:50:17.000and the only thing is he looked a little similar to the guy living in Ohio.
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01:55:55.000Once you're targeted, and they fired a woman in 1990 or 1991, I don't know if you remember this, Alex, a top-ranking woman in the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee, and she gave out their hit list of the politicians that they wanted to get rid of, and Jim Travickin was the number one target in the world.
01:56:12.000And I think it was because the way I handled that case, no one would help me.
01:56:16.000And I went to the House floor, and I dramatically presented myself And now Germany's hold this guy off is on the death's doorstep.
01:56:37.000Yeah, I think they're holding and delaying this, because I firmly believe that they do not want me over in Germany to speak out on this issue.
01:56:46.000I think they're holding this case up, holding that the old man will die over there.
01:57:03.000Well, that's why I support you because, I mean, I looked at the facts and I really don't have any strength to do that, but this fella in Washington D.C., this Richard Detour, may file suit.
01:57:28.000If he does, I will then back up into that suit as well.
01:57:32.000It's going to be a long, hard struggle.
01:57:35.000But I think that there's so many revelations to do that it's going to surprise an awful lot of people.
01:57:40.000But right now, I'm looking politically.
01:57:42.000I'm looking at politically, not just for vengeance, but looking politically because I think America needs somebody to speak out on what the hell's going wrong, who's not afraid to speak out, who's not controlled by their party.
01:57:54.000I think too many of the politicians today have allegiance to the party, allegiance to the American people.
01:57:59.000And so you're planning to run as an independent?
01:58:53.000Hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone.
01:58:57.000This is our last chance to not relive history.
01:59:03.000They'll be pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
01:59:06.000We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
01:59:12.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.
01:59:17.000For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.
02:00:34.000James Traficant, I was asking you during that one-minute break, former congressman, other key points, and you brought up the fact that you have people in Washington that are telling you you are being watched, and that there was a big secret investigation about the D'Namio case, but it was about how did Traficant get the info?
02:00:53.000Yeah, when I brought him on, the big investigation didn't center about, you know, how they suborned perjury to ruin this man's life, and this was a capital offense, they were going to put the death penalty.
02:01:03.000It wasn't about how they withheld evidence about how they have violated civil rights.
02:01:08.000It was, how did trafficking get this information?
02:01:36.000It's really a crying shame, and it's got to be changed.
02:01:40.000We also need to thank your wife in all of this, Patricia Traficant.
02:01:46.000She stood beside you, you stood beside her, and for better and worse, and people, if they do write checks to try to get you guys back on your feet to the address, I need to address those you were telling me to, Patricia Traficant, 429 North Main Street,
02:02:03.000Poland, Ohio, You know, Alex, I've gotten volumes of mail all through the seven and a half years, and one of the reasons I got them is people followed my little one-minute speeches.
02:02:22.000And I just didn't do them to grandstand.
02:02:24.000I made salient points during that time and dramatized things that I think had to be made.
02:02:29.000But I became known for the statement, Absolutely.
02:04:15.000You need to get a volunteer to build you a nice website with PayPal buttons, the rest of it.
02:04:19.000Get everybody doing these petitions now because we do need you in Congress to counterbalance all the offshore corporate forces and others that are doing this.
02:04:29.000And thank you so much, former Congressman James Travacan, for your courage.
02:04:33.000And we're all praying for you and we're glad they weren't able to kill you or break your will.
02:04:37.000Well, I'd like to thank you for having me on your show.
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02:08:22.000We're going to have about 10-15 minutes coming up at the bottom of the hour with Mike Rivero to give us his take with Bob Chapman on the Kamikaze attack in Austin.
02:08:32.000The media trying to say it was the tea parties that did it.
02:08:34.000As I predicted before the media even said it, they would.
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02:10:44.000going to Bob Schapp before we get into the economy, the kamikaze attack, and more.
02:11:03.000As you said, he's stronger now than he's ever been.
02:11:06.000And I hope that his coming back Will cause these people in Washington and in New York City spasms of despair.
02:11:22.000Well, over 90% in polls now want to abolish the Fed or audit it.
02:11:27.00075% are angry, Republican and Democrat and independent at government policies.
02:11:31.000Rasmussen, it's gaining a few points every week.
02:11:34.000I mean, the government is collapsing right now.
02:11:37.000Before we get into all the big developments in the last week in the economy that people tune in to hear your expertise on and your insight every week, the Kamikaze attack.
02:11:45.000Is he a lone angry guy who was persecuted?
02:13:06.000Continue. As far as the emergency equipment being available before it happened, if the FBI was called or found out that he was going to do that because of something he said on the internet,
02:13:31.000I would think that that would be a reasonable explanation as to why it was there and maybe the FBI was onto the whole thing but probably didn't know how to stop it.
02:13:44.000Or didn't want to stop it so they could play the victim.
02:13:50.000I mean if they're coming down to Austin or they already have emergency equipment out there and all this is going on, they knew where his airplane supposedly was in Georgetown, why weren't they there?
02:14:01.000So, if all of that is fact, that they did know where his plane was, they should have been down there guarding it or impounding it or something.
02:14:14.000I mean, this is what the source said, and that's just one of many reports, as we tried to put all the evidence out there for all of our collective minds to come to a conclusion on.
02:15:32.000I would say in retrospect, too bad somebody wasn't around who could have calmed him down and taken the ideas of destroying himself and in the process, Possibly killing innocent people.
02:16:07.000And this will destroy general private aviation if they bring TSA level control into the small airports.
02:16:14.000Now they announced yesterday, they already started this yesterday morning before this even happened, the Viper teams are now popping up everywhere with random checkpoints on the streets and at bus and train terminals.
02:16:24.000So, they're certainly using this to put a giant police state Stasi in.
02:17:56.000We can get rid of the Plunge Protection Team, which is a working group on financial markets, which is a Bob Chapman.
02:18:27.000With Ceausescu in Romania, or Stalin, or Hitler, or Mao, or any of these thugs and dictators, Pol Pot, pick your poison.
02:18:35.000I've seen a lot of police writing me letters, and they say, yeah, it's coming to the point where they're going to have to make decisions, and when government goes bad, it's no longer legitimate, and it's natural, God-given rights for people to defend themselves.
02:18:48.000And what I've been shocked by is the level of anger of the public cheering this guy on, and it's real, it's not provocateured.
02:18:56.000I wonder if the government, and I mean the minions that are going to be facing the true brunt of this, realize what 150 million gun owners, 16 million guns sold in the last year, 14 million last year, already more than 2 million this year, realize that if 1% of that 150 million decide to stand up and fight, that is 1.5 million people.
02:19:20.000Don't the globalists understand that they may have put us to sleep for a while, but those old Americans, 1776, It's gonna be cultural and tribal.
02:19:41.000450 million guns, 80 million veterans, 40 million that have been in combat.
02:19:48.000Don't anybody tangle with them if it comes to that.
02:19:55.000You know, the military puts out the line, we'll crush the American people.
02:19:58.000Folks, no one can stop a guerrilla army of this size.
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02:21:03.000Hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone.
02:21:08.000This is our last chance to not relive history.
02:21:11.000As we're finishing off this agenda, we're pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
02:21:16.000We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress.
02:21:20.000And they really are calling the shots.
02:21:22.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.
02:21:28.000For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.
02:21:46.000And right now in Washington, D.C., we have seen As the economy continues to decline, patriots across the nation are preparing for the worst.
02:24:01.000We've got Mike Rivero popping in for about 10 minutes with Bob Chapman on the kamikaze attack and the latest developments to get his perspective.
02:24:19.000That I tend to agree with on a lot of fronts.
02:24:30.000A month ago, you said they were gonna target Greece.
02:24:35.000Well, first of all, I wrote about Goldman ten years ago when Greece and Italy were trying to qualify and the term I used was Uh, they're Mickey Mousing the books.
02:25:03.000And the rest of the Eurozone at that time, which today only makes up 16 of the 27 Euro, uh, European Union members, uh, they looked the other way.
02:25:16.000They wanted that union, and so they got it.
02:25:19.000And those books have been phony all along.
02:25:21.000And as we have found out, it's been proven now that Goldman Sachs arranged the whole thing.
02:25:30.000I think it creates a sense of urgency now.
02:25:35.000I think things are starting to come unglued even more quickly than I had anticipated.
02:25:42.000I think there's a possibility that they may bring down a number of these countries' sovereign debt prior to the election, and it may include the United States.
02:25:58.000And if they do that, there may not be an election.
02:26:02.000Now, I'm not saying that's going to happen.
02:26:04.000And I don't want to give these people any ideas, but that would be the perfect thing to do to get control.
02:26:14.000Whether it's probable, I don't know at this point.
02:26:16.000But there are a number of countries that are on the edge.
02:26:20.000We've got Ireland, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and which we know about.
02:26:29.000And then nobody ever hears about Latvia, Estonia, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, And that will send debt shockwaves a lot bigger than the housing bubble throughout the planet.
02:26:47.000Meanwhile, the Chinese are already moving and dumping their U.S.
02:26:53.000And even Denmark's having problems, of course.
02:26:57.000The two worst, really, for their size, is Great Britain and the United States.
02:27:02.000Now, I think what government wanted to do, or those behind government wanted to do, is, after the election, start these things going by taking all of these countries to the edge, and then having a meeting,
02:27:19.000like they did with Smithsonian and the Plaza Accord and the Louvre Accord, and revalue, devalue currencies and have a debt default between nations, and everybody falls off a cliff together, and we have everybody devaluing their currencies, or most everybody.
02:27:39.000And then we go into a deflationary depression, which they want to, from behind the scenes, people like Goldman and Morgan and Citigroup and all of those people and the Bilderbergers and all those groups, they would then try to suppress the people of the world, quote, legally while they were on their knees financially and economically.
02:29:00.000All the studies show one government job costs two private sectors.
02:29:04.000So you get rid of the government jobs, a lot of them, then you get two jobs back for every job you get rid of there, and people have their own tax money, that would fix it.
02:29:15.000It's going to happen sooner or later, and they know it.
02:29:19.000They want it on their terms so they can control it, so they can make people do what they want to do under those circumstances.
02:29:26.000And that's why all the things that you talk about in regard to what's going on in America about Homeland Security, and you can't put bars in your windows, and all of these things, that is because they know the public.
02:29:43.000is going to be very, very disturbed about all this, and who knows what they'll do.
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02:34:55.000But we know we've played the KXAN piece where the woman said, I saw the emergency vehicles out here beforehand.
02:35:01.000I talked to multiple listeners who called in and we've talked to some of them off-air as well.
02:35:07.000I mean, masses of calls here to the office in the comment line that, yeah, there were emergency people out there before and we heard the boom.
02:35:13.000Some saw them before, others heard the boom and then went out and saw the police out there with cameras already within seconds.
02:35:43.000We're looking at everything until I began to notice, and I noticed that Rivero also, because he's worked with the media, he recognized this, that real terror attacks, or real attacks against government, they tend to ignore.
02:35:55.000This was so big they couldn't ignore it, but that suddenly it kind of left the news cycle today.
02:36:10.000So I wanted to get Mike Rivero's take on what he thinks going on here and then pop back in with Bob Chapman who's with us as well right now.
02:36:17.000Mike Rivero joining us via video Skype from Hawaii.
02:36:22.000Thanks an awful lot for having me on your show, Alex.
02:36:25.000Okay, give us your bottom line on with all the evidence this early on we're not sure but what you think's going on.
02:36:31.000Well I'm definitely leaning toward thinking this was a genuine spontaneous action by this gentleman who He's just an ordinary working American and he got pushed to his limit and he snapped and we all have a breaking point and I think the media was attempting to spin this to make him look like a demon and a bad guy and then when that really wasn't working my concern was that the media was going to try and pull away the focus as quickly as possible which as you point out they're doing today it's all Tiger Woods all the time and I think what's in there is we need to understand
02:37:01.000that from the point of view of the government and the media their big priority right now they don't I don't want people actually reading this guy's suicide note.
02:37:09.000They're calling it a manifesto to make it sound like it's a bad thing because the commies had a manifesto and the Unabomber had a manifesto.
02:37:16.000So this is a manifesto and you shouldn't go read it.
02:37:19.000But everybody who's actually read this suicide note, nobody condones what Joe Stack did.
02:37:24.000But everybody seems to say, I understand why he did it.
02:39:15.000Because if there's one thing that Joe Stack has accomplished, it's kind of in a positive sense.
02:39:21.000It has made the abuses of the IRS acceptable in polite conversation.
02:39:25.000People are now willing to talk about how many of them are in serious trouble with the IRS.
02:39:30.000You've seen the flood of TV commercials for all these tax resolution services.
02:39:34.000You know, that alone tells you that most of Americans are in some kind of tax trouble.
02:39:38.000And now, because of Joe, it's okay to talk about it.
02:39:41.000It's okay to talk about the abuses of the IRS.
02:39:43.000People are even now openly talking about, was the 16th Amendment actually ratified?
02:39:49.000Are the taxes illegal right from the start?
02:39:51.000I understand Jim Traficante, and by the way, please give him my highest regards when you have him on the show, he's talking about if he gets elected back to Congress, he wants to kick the IRS in a very sensitive portion of the genitalia.
02:40:03.000So, and I think most Americans are going to sign up with him on that.
02:40:09.000In your mind, is there any way this could have been an inside job?
02:40:13.000Because, you know, we know they can remote control aircraft.
02:40:16.000We know that they were out there beforehand.
02:40:37.000Crash plane into Austin building, hailed by anti-government groups.
02:40:40.000And they say in here that I'm hailing it.
02:40:43.000Austin American Statesman, in an article, social media speeds up news gathering and plane crash aftermath, says that I was hailing the attack.
02:40:51.000I was saying maybe staged or we don't know.
02:40:54.000I mean, so I'm being singled out here.
02:40:57.000They're certainly trying to put this on us.
02:41:00.000Well, they're putting it on you, they're putting it on Glenn Beck, they're putting it on me, they're putting it on Rush Limbaugh.
02:41:05.000They're looking to basically take the focus off the letter.
02:41:08.000As for the exact nature of it, I'm 95% convinced it was a genuine, spontaneous act by this gentleman.
02:41:16.000if it was a false flag attack it's a very poorly thought out one because the patsies that are supposed to be framed for it it's not a very good case and And in this case, back when the Oklahoma City bomb went off and little kids were being killed and everybody was shocked and said, oh, this is a terrible thing.
02:41:33.000They're not getting that reaction here.
02:41:35.000The attitude of most of America is, well, yeah, it's a bad thing, but, you know, maybe they sort of.
02:41:40.000But to be clear, you've done the research.
02:41:55.000It was a deliberate misinterpretation of the available information.
02:41:59.000But that is still an inside job to say you've been attacked and it's made up as a pretext for war.
02:42:05.000What I'm saying is staged provocation.
02:42:08.000Well, definitely a lot of propaganda and a lot of lying and misstatement.
02:42:13.000You know, there were no torpedoes there.
02:42:14.000But in the case of yesterday's attack, I think they were trying to take something that happened genuinely and attempt to use it for propaganda purposes, and they didn't get the traction with it.
02:42:25.000It just doesn't feel like it was planned or known about ahead of time.
02:42:29.000They just tried to take advantage of it, and they didn't really get it to work.
02:43:51.000Yeah. I mean, 14 inches is a sawed-off shotgun.
02:43:56.000And I think that the IRS, obviously, is terrified that That people are going to react against them.
02:44:05.000Yeah, for those that don't know, a sawed-off is generally defensive, so people that don't know what they're doing can just aim in a general direction when you're getting rushed.
02:44:14.000Exactly. And the legal limit on the shotgun barrel is 18, and that's what a riot gun is.
02:44:20.000Yeah, so the IRS gets to have illegal shotguns.
02:45:15.000Cops are being caught robbing banks and raping people.
02:45:18.000I mean, statistically, crime, but also craziness.
02:45:21.000is way up, and a lot of times it's by government, because they're under stress, and a lot of them have a bullying psychology, and you've got citizens being pressed and squeezed and driven into a corner.
02:45:31.000No doubt, just like if our government attacks Iran, we're not going to have to see staged terror.
02:45:39.000Just like as the government squeezes, they know they're going to force people to finally stand up, and they're going to call that terrorism.
02:45:46.000How do you see this unfolding, Mike Rivero?
02:45:50.000Fading away from the public consciousness, although Joe Stack is already sort of a cult hero in a lot of places, got a lot of Facebook fan clubs springing up.
02:45:58.000There's nothing new with attacks against the IRS.
02:46:01.000Generally they tend not to be reported, but because of the high visibility of the plane crash into the building and the subsequent release of the suicide note on the internet, this one did get out there and it had to be dealt with.
02:46:13.000but there have been attacks against iris facilities and people before and no doubt it will continue into the future I'm in agreement with your other guests.
02:46:20.000You know, this is not a call to arms to go out and start attacking the tax people because that would just give the government the justification it needs to suspend the Bill of Rights and really become the bullying dictators that we all know they secretly lust to be.
02:46:35.000And I don't want that to happen, but I think that would be a miscalculation by the establishment as well.
02:46:40.000I think them bringing the tyranny more out in the open and getting more confrontational will only make things blow up quicker.
02:46:50.000I mean, we have the saying around here, the fastest way to bring down a dictator is to force them to act like one where everybody can see it.
02:46:56.000I just don't want to see the kind of Kent State bloodshed, you know, that this kind of a process usually entails.
02:47:05.000Absolutely. Well, Mike, thanks for joining us.
02:47:07.000WhatReallyHappened.com is a great site.
02:47:13.000Uh, anything else you want to add on the plane situation?
02:47:16.000I'll be recapping the latest developments in the next hour.
02:47:18.000I am open on this because I've been predicting an attack in Austin.
02:47:23.000I've seen Glenn Beck now come out and put on his little blackboard, uh, slash magnet refrigerator board.
02:47:31.000It's really what it is, but it looks like a blackboard, Deborah Medina next to Van Jones.
02:47:36.000And he said, these people hate America.
02:47:38.000Then he did a weird psy-op where he said, well, I'm in trouble in Texas with my listeners.
02:47:43.000He's lost 500,000 viewers conservatively, according to Nielsen.
02:47:47.000His radio numbers, we'll find out later, earlier next month, those come out once a month.
02:47:54.000But his websites, anywhere people can comment, he's being shredded everywhere.
02:47:58.000He does this basic psychology where he puts up a picture of a Van Jones and then some other Weatherman bombers next to him and then sticks Medina up.
02:48:09.000And then Alan Keyes, of all people, and says, these people are dangerous.
02:48:14.000And he's not just saying 9-11 truthers are going to stage terror attacks.
02:48:19.000He's now saying the birthers are the most dangerous, that these are the most dangerous, when in polls that's more than half of registered Republicans.
02:48:26.000So he's like immolating, I guess that's the word for burning yourself up in front of everyone, because he's been ordered to do it.
02:48:33.000So I, and I see all the talking points demonizing Tea Partiers that they're going to commit terror acts by not just him, but Chris Matthews the last few weeks.
02:49:43.000We don't want someone to come along who is going to be cited by the government In doing these kinds of things so that they can move against people who agree with him whether it's Joe Stack or somebody else And we got to stay away from that, you know, we're doing very well Doing what we're doing and this is very important.
02:50:09.000I saw a figure and you quoted some 8% of the public voting public Want to bring back their congressman or senator Yeah, That means 92% want their people out of office.
02:55:52.000in the media interpreted as being bad for gold and of course it it really wasn't uh...
02:55:57.000could go didn't go down and then we had uh...
02:56:00.000the i m f come out and said well you were going to sell some gold and that turned out to be a non-event and then you know higher interest rates is been touted as bad for gold and uh...
02:56:12.000going down to come back up again and so uh...
02:56:14.000gold seems to be impervious in here To the downside.
02:56:19.000And it's up $4.60 right now here in the late trading for the April month.
02:56:25.000And that'll go on for about another hour.
02:56:29.000The stocks are mixed to slightly weaker.
02:56:36.000And so it's hard to get a real read on it.
02:56:39.000But if I had to guess, I think gold will be up next week.
02:56:45.000If it goes through 12-20-24 in that area, then we're going to very quickly see a move up toward 1500 to 1650.
02:56:57.000And if it doesn't happen by the beginning of April, it may very well happen before the end of the year.
02:57:04.000Although I think much more quickly, especially in view of what I said earlier about the The problem's being expedited.
02:57:15.000I don't think that Goldman Sachs ever thought that they would run into the buzzsaw that they're into right now because of their secret advice to these different nations and how to keep two sets of books.
02:57:31.000And of course, it's against the law, but that doesn't mean anything for the likes of Goldman, Morgan, and Citi.
02:57:45.000And so I think that this is causing the alumnus behind the scenes to have to, even though they don't want to, expedite what they're doing.
02:58:00.000And every time you do that, you make mistakes.
02:58:03.000And I think by next year, all this thing's going to start coming down.
02:58:11.000And, you know, as I mentioned earlier, were they to bring it down in October, down being the sovereign nations defaulting simultaneously, and having chaos within the financial world worldwide, would give them an excuse not to have an election.
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03:00:19.000I'm Alex Jones of M4Wars.com and PrisonPlanet.TV.
03:00:23.000I want to say hi to all the great radio listeners out there and also the PrisonPlanet.TV viewers who are such key supporters of this radio show.
03:01:03.000I was going to say, I've always, I've had the gut feeling they're going to do something at the Olympics for a long time now, maybe about a year.
03:01:08.000I've always said, you don't spend a billion dollars on security and then not stage a terror attack.
03:01:12.000And now on the heels of this, I really feel that They're stirring up 9-11 memories, and everyone's thinking 9-11, 9-11.
03:01:18.000Well, they don't even have to say terrorism, but you're still thinking 9-11.
03:01:22.000Because it's a plane into a building, yes.
03:01:24.000Exactly. And ever since that article about two weeks ago by We Are Change Vancouver about the possibility of a false flag, Kinder Morgan being bought out by Goldman Sachs, and the Carlyle...
03:01:33.000And now it's in a Canadian newspaper, I meant to get to that, that they've caught police provocateurs again.
03:01:38.000And they, uh, lost about two times ammonium nitrate mysteriously.
03:01:41.000Now my big thing is I started thinking now, when are they gonna do this?
03:01:44.000And what I came up with is February 22nd, 2-2-2, because we all know they love to use silly numbers.
03:01:52.000And that being three days away, this happening right before that, they're stirring everyone's thoughts up about terrorism, 9-11-9-11, and all of a sudden on Monday morning, we'll see if I'm right or not, hopefully not.
03:02:01.000I've gone as far as to bet people money this is going to happen.
03:03:41.000There's some stratas of business that don't like it.
03:03:44.000Some big airline CEOs saying don't put the scanners in from Australia to the U.S. But the real head honchos, they love the fact that people aren't traveling.
03:04:03.000You know, we're looking at a situation where If they're people who are running airlines and they don't want people to fly, they're not going to be in business very long.
03:04:13.000Now, if they're executives with other companies, well, that might be, you know, the hardy lines to speak by the elitists.
03:05:54.000Remember, the government doesn't own the sun.
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