James Traficant is a former Congressman from Texas who served as a member of the Texas House of Representatives from 1983 to 2002. He served as the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee from 1997 to 2004. In 2002, he was charged with conspiracy to commit perjury and conspiracy to obstruct justice. He claims that he was framed by the IRS for a crime he didn't commit.
00:00:11.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:15.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:21.000Well, for the next hour, ladies and gentlemen, then we're going to get back into the kamikaze attack in Austin and what's really going on there.
00:00:29.000But for the next hour, former Congressman Traficant is our guest.
00:00:36.000James Traficant, we're very honored to have him with us.
00:00:41.000He, of course, ran in 1984 as a low-budget grassroots campaign for Congress despite being outspent 7-1 by an incumbent Republican, Traficant Juan Handley.
00:00:51.000By 18,000 votes, he'd been re-elected seven times.
00:01:17.000I'm sorry I haven't been there so far, but you really educated the American people for sure.
00:01:26.000Well, you've been in solitary confinement and in the concentration camp, so you couldn't come on, but it's great to have you here.
00:01:33.000Sir, break down what really happened to you for some out there that may not know and why it's so important.
00:01:38.000Well, I think what's amazing about the whole ordeal was it was a $15 million investigation over a span of six years, over 250 agents, all on or about the time that the Trade Center and the Pentagon were being attacked.
00:01:55.000The bottom line is the government, and this is the issue now Alex, that will be coming to bear.
00:02:00.000The government admitted at trial, voluntarily, that they made no audio or videotapes on me in six years.
00:02:06.000And the reason they did that, it's evident, is because they had no evidence of any crimes whatsoever.
00:02:12.000They had no evidence, physical evidence.
00:02:14.000They had seven people who were pressured to lie.
00:02:17.000Three of them, four of them already recanted that they were pressured to lie.
00:02:21.000And there's a young man in Nigeria who submitted an affidavit to the Nigerian government that his life was ruined because he wouldn't perjure himself in the trafficking case against trafficking for the government.
00:02:46.000Well, since you brought that subject up to me when we went to break, what's your bottom line on the attack on the IRS building?
00:02:53.000Well, you know, the IRS has become such an agency where they actually have testified, Alex, before Congress.
00:03:01.000That fear Fear is what produces compliance, voluntary compliance, by the American people.
00:03:08.000And without fear, there can be no collection of taxes.
00:03:12.000Now, to me, this is an absolute oxymoron in a free republic to hear a statement like that coming from an institution such as the Internal Revenue Service.
00:03:23.000You know, my particular case is quite documented.
00:03:27.000I am the congressman that did change the burden of proof in a civil tax case.
00:03:31.000Before 1998, the taxpayer was guilty and had to prove himself innocent.
00:03:36.000I was able to change that in a 1998 tax bill with the help of a Texan by the name of Bill Archer.
00:03:43.000The chairman of the Republican Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, and Bill Archer put my language in in the conference committee because the IRS had threatened a veto by President Clinton if it had the Travagan language.
00:03:55.000So I want to give tremendous credit in the state of Texas to that little man.
00:03:59.000I think if George W. Bush would have made Bill Archer his Secretary of the Treasury, this country wouldn't be in the fix it's in.
00:04:05.000But having said that, Alex, the results were dramatic.
00:04:08.000They did a study one year before the bill and one year after, and all of the variables dealt basically with the traffic and burden of proof language.
00:04:17.000Wage garnishment has dropped from $3.1 million to $560,000.
00:04:18.000Property liens dropped from $670,000 to $160,000.
00:04:20.000And individual family-owned homes seized by the IRS dropped from $10,070 to 57 homes, Alex.
00:05:51.000Remember, the government doesn't own the sun.
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00:06:01.000Hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone.
00:06:05.000This is our last chance to not relive history.
00:06:09.000As we're finishing off this agenda, We're pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
00:06:13.000We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
00:06:20.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.
00:06:25.000For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.
00:08:28.000When they can persecute governors and congressmen, and put them in prison for no reason, and ruin them financially, When they can persecute a sitting governor or a sitting congressman, none of us are safe.
00:08:42.000Like they tortured Congressman Hansen.
00:08:47.000They dieseled him until his feet exploded, driving him around for weeks, chained up.
00:08:51.000This is the type of Hanoi Hilton stuff that's going on.
00:08:54.000I'm going to talk about what happened to Traffic Hampton Prison, why it was persecuted, The IRS, what he thinks of the event in Austin, what he's told me off air, if he wants to say that on air.
00:09:04.000Then we'll talk about who targeted him for persecution and why.
00:09:10.000How he's going to be the comeback kid, and hopefully our listeners will support him.
00:09:16.000I just got his address for people to send him, not campaign money, he's going to run again as an independent, but to get him back on his feet so he can.
00:09:24.000Because they've ruined him and sucked his treasure out of him so he can't defend himself.
00:09:29.000If this ever happens to me, and unfortunately there's a good chance it will, when I get out of prison, I want people to support me.
00:09:46.000Well, Ali, first I want to say is I know you said that maybe one day when you're off the air, maybe you might have a similar type of problem, but I want to say that this may be Maybe one of the best compliments you'll ever get.
00:09:58.000I think you would have deserved that because you would have drawn the ire of a government that is completely out of control.
00:10:04.000And I believe your voice is becoming that strong that, quite frankly, I'm going to give you a little bit of advice now.
00:10:09.000Be very careful and watch yourself because you are having that kind of an effect.
00:10:13.000And when people start and begin to have an effect, if it's not singing to the choir, it's a real problem.
00:10:19.000But having said that, we were talking before about the Internal Revenue Service.
00:10:23.000You know, I'm like everybody else in the country, seeing the headline news and the fiasco and the tragedy that struck Austin.
00:10:32.000But you know, when you look at the Internal Revenue Service, they have evoked over the years fear.
00:10:40.000In fact, they've testified, Alex, before the Congress of the United States, that without fear, they wouldn't have their voluntary, quote-unquote, voluntary compliance.
00:10:57.000Now, in 1998, I was the individual responsible for changing the burden of proof in a civil tax case.
00:11:04.000As I said earlier, I want to tip my hat to a Texan, Mr. Bill Archer.
00:11:10.000Mr. Bill Archer was the Republican Chairman of Ways and Means Committee.
00:11:14.000And that the trafficking language was not in the bill, that reform bill, because the IRS had threatened a veto to President Clinton if it contained the trafficking language.
00:11:23.000Well, after the bill passed the House, I got a call from Chairman Archer, and he said, you know, we have so much support for your bill, that he said he was going to put it into the conference committee between the House and the Senate, and he did.
00:11:35.000And I honestly believe this, and I want the people of Texas who are listening to hear this, that I believe if President Bush Would have named Bill Archer, his Secretary of the Treasury of America, would not be in the fix with them today.
00:11:48.000Now having said that, what the trafficking bill basically said was this, up until 98, Alex, you had an agency that says, Alex, you owe us $50,000.
00:11:57.000And you say, my God, how could I owe you $50,000?
00:12:00.000And they say, well, prove you don't, Alex.
00:12:02.000The burden of proof you see was on the taxpayer.
00:12:05.000The trafficking language changed that.
00:12:07.000And in 98, when a bill passed, they did a study one year after the passage of the bill, Alex, and they compared one year before the passage to one year after the passage.
00:12:17.000And there were three salient points of concern that were covered by their study.
00:13:04.000One per state when they had to prove it.
00:13:06.000You see, one of the last measures that I had, and it really was upsetting, and Chairman Archer said he liked the bill.
00:13:14.000Well, I teamed up with two Republicans, Billy Tozan of Louisiana and Dan Schaefer of Colorado, and it was the flat tax, the fair tax, a straight consumption tax.
00:13:28.000And let me tell you something, it repeals the 16th Amendment and throws out the IRS.
00:13:34.000It abolishes all withholding, all debt taxes, all capital gains taxes, corporate taxes.
00:13:41.000Individual tax on expenses for education.
00:13:47.000And what everybody's saying, well, you're going to put a 25% consumption tax on us trafficking, and you're going to bankrupt everybody with these cost increases.
00:13:56.000Listen to this study that was performed in Harvard.
00:13:59.000They said when you throw out this burdensome tax code that has destroyed companies and destroyed our competitiveness, they said they will have downward movement to gain market share.
00:14:08.000Sounds like capitalism all over again.
00:14:10.000And they predict that the prices would hardly raise, if at all.
00:14:15.000And you'll have Social Security fully funded, Medicare fully funded, and you'll have the same neutral, if not more, revenue stream than we have now.
00:14:23.000But the bottom line is, you see Alex, it's time to reward work.
00:14:28.000Our tax code is basically a progressive communist tax code that was founded by Karl Marx.
00:15:12.000And there's so many people that have it, it's not unusual to see him fencing at the Internal Revenue Service.
00:15:17.000My God, Congress of the United States is derelict in their duties to not repeal the 16th Amendment, throw out individual personal tax, reward a man for his labor, not punish him.
00:15:32.000Well, look at Geithner, and most of the White House don't pay their taxes, but then the news is saying, look at this tax cheat, Joe Stack, he's scum, but then the big boys, they don't even have to pay the tax.
00:16:51.000And it's not change that's needed, it's replacement.
00:16:55.000And I will make this statement on your show.
00:16:58.000If the United States does not throw out the progressive income tax and replace it with a fair tax, America will implode similar to the Soviet Union.
00:17:09.000It's just a matter of time with that debt approaching $14 trillion.
00:17:50.000Paulson can give $200 million of bailout money to himself and give himself a waiver, and then nobody even knows why James Trafficking went to jail, completely made up.
00:18:05.000But specifically, looking at this, how long do you think America has until it completely collapses if this out-of-control government continues?
00:18:18.000I would say we, I can't predict the exact time, but I will say this.
00:18:23.000I think it is inevitable, and I think it will be within the next generation, the next 20-25 years, where America will implode.
00:18:31.000Certain states will move towards saving their own revenue and moving off on their own, maybe a compacted state.
00:18:37.000I could see a state like Alaska with their own revenue stream, bigger than most of the countries in landmass over in Europe, saying, hey, we're on our own, guys.
00:18:46.000And I could see this starting to happen.
00:18:48.000I think Georgia legislature has advanced an initiative stating that they'll collect the federal tax, but they won't send it to Washington.
00:18:55.000Let me just add, Congressman Travacant, that 30-plus states are moving to declare 9th and 10th Amendment powers, as you know.
00:19:58.000What people are failing to see is a tremendous lose weight with the federal government not basically meeting the needs of the American people.
00:20:06.000And having said that, you asked me earlier, you know, what really happened to me?
00:20:10.000You know, in 1983, I was the only American in history to defeat the Justice Department in a RICO trial, pro se, without being an attorney.
00:20:20.000In the late 80s, I was instrumental in bringing back John Demonych from Israel, who was on trial, He was already convicted and sentenced to be executed.
00:20:31.000No one would look into this man's case.
00:20:32.000I looked into his case, and I discovered, and I was able to get documents from the Justice Department that not only proved he was innocent, Alex, but who Ivan the Terrible really was.
00:20:45.000It was so blatant in America, the pressure that Israel, through their lobby, had put on me, and put on our government, that Congress wouldn't hold a hearing on my evidence, and the Sixth Circuit Court in Cincinnati wouldn't accept the trafficking evidence.
00:20:58.000I send it over to the Israeli Supreme Court.
00:21:01.000I did a live interview with Brian Gumbel on today's show by satellite from Jerusalem.
00:21:05.000And I basically said, they put this innocent man to death.
00:21:08.000Israel's going to lose upwards of $20 billion a year from the American taxpayers.
00:21:13.000And Brian Gumbel jumped in, he says, well, what do you mean?
00:22:15.000Well I want to continue down this line because you had never been an enemy of Israel.
00:22:20.000You simply defended an innocent man and even the Supreme Court looked at the evidence and let him go and now they've grabbed him again and hauled him away.
00:22:28.000I mean it's just a complete and total witch hunt.
00:22:33.000And now you have all these top professors coming out and pointing out that the Israeli lobby and Israeli newspapers brag that they control a lot of Congress.
00:22:42.000And you have Rahm Emanuel in the White House, who's an Israeli government agent, was in their military in the Gulf War.
00:22:49.000I mean, you're only saying what much of the evidence shows.
00:22:55.000And I've always read, and experts of history have shown, that when you do beat the Justice Department, and they win, what, over 90% of their cases, they always come back, back, back, back, back, back.
00:23:07.000So was it the IRS that you exposed that got them first coming after you, and then the icing on the cake was then getting an innocent man freed?
00:23:16.000I think it was a combination of all three, but just remember this.
00:23:20.000I was one of the most bitter enemies of the Justice Department and the Internal Revenue Service, and there's no kidding about that.
00:23:27.000And I had a struggle, it took me 12 years, and let me say this, I've been a Democrat all my life.
00:23:31.000The Democrats, I almost had a fist fight with Chairman Rosenkowski, wouldn't even hold a hearing on my burden of proof legislation.
00:23:38.000When Republicans did come in, and I'll give credit to Bill Archer again.
00:23:43.000There's a man that looked at the American taxpayer and he did something very significant.
00:23:47.000And I want to thank him on behalf of all Americans.
00:23:49.000I don't even know what happened to the old chairman.
00:23:51.000I hope he's still alive down there in Texas.
00:23:54.000But Alex, I had a bullseye put on my back, but quite frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn.
00:24:01.000If you're afraid to speak out about your own country, what has happened to our Constitution and our Bill of Rights?
00:24:06.000Why is everybody afraid to whisper what's going on?
00:24:09.000Listen to the strong statement I use on your show, even though it has labeled me and hurt me politically.
00:24:14.000Israel has a stranglehold on the United States of America.
00:24:18.000They have us in foreign wars we shouldn't be involved with that have bankrupted us.
00:24:22.000And they've gone so far as having Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon making a statement on Israeli radio, October 3, 2001, the following, We, comma, the Jewish people, comma, control America.
00:25:07.000I mean, he says cut off foreign aid to everybody.
00:25:09.000We are going bankrupt, and they call him an anti-Semite, though he wants to cut it off to Africa, he wants to cut it off to Egypt, he wants to cut it off to Iraq.
00:25:17.000We can't pay this bill anymore, and the fact that whenever somebody says, look, we need to stop being involved in all these wars, we need to stop doing this, and the ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center Come out and attack me when I am mild on this because I'm just trying to bring everybody together to audit the Fed, to get the Federal Reserve out of here, to get the 17th Amendment overturned, to get rid of the income tax.
00:25:42.000There's no doubt you get savaged when you even mildly criticize.
00:25:47.000So I can't imagine what it's been like for you.
00:25:50.000Let's briefly, because we're going to break here in about four minutes, Talk about what happened to you in prison, because, I mean, you're a tough guy.
00:25:57.000You're not whining about it on air now, but they treated you like hell, I saw on the news.
00:26:02.000Alex, the first place I went was 50% illegal immigrants.
00:26:06.000And keep this in mind for the people of Texas, specifically.
00:26:09.000Jim Travigan was a congressman who passed on the House floor, utilizing our soldiers on our border.
00:26:16.000You know, regarding the borders in the Mideast, regarding borders all over the world, our troops are going for lunch over in Italy and going for the theater in Germany, and our borders are wide open.
00:26:26.000I was labeled a bigot because here's my position on immigration, Alex.
00:26:30.000Number one, let's put our troops on the border.
00:27:00.000And both these parties are giving them everything they want.
00:27:02.000Meanwhile, you've got a health care system out of control.
00:27:05.000You've got approximately 15 million, truth be known, illegal immigrants consuming welfare and different programs in this country with falsified documents.
00:27:17.000I got a guy that worked at Austin Energy here, and I already knew this, it's 800 plus sanctuary cities, but the illegals get a fake consular matricula, they pay a $200 down payment, or $250 depending on the size of the contract, to get their power and light turned on, then they never pay the bill, he said over 90% of the time, and then a new matricula comes up in six months when they turn the power off, and they were told in Austin Energy meetings, let them not pay, And it's the same thing.
00:28:15.000I don't think there's any common sense right now in Washington, and I think Washington is manipulated and Washington is obstructed by outside forces and being very much manipulated.
00:28:26.000But having said that, let me get back to the prison.
00:28:28.000The first place I went to, Alex, I had 50% illegal immigrants, and they knew that I was the guy that said, throw them the hell out.
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00:32:30.000We the people grow cotton, weave fabric, engrave ink, embed strips and fibers to protect from counterfeit, then carting to a private bank, having it led back at interest, forcing taxes to service debt.
00:32:40.000Or was Jefferson correct when stating a central bank issuing the public currency is a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army?
00:33:00.000Ladies and gentlemen, get your pens and papers ready.
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00:34:16.000If you want to support Mr. Trafficant so he can get back on his feet and then get justice and go after the criminals that put him in prison, But that's how they bankrupt you, so you can't defend yourself.
00:35:22.000Basically, same thing happened to Mr. Traficant, Don Siegelman.
00:35:26.000Now, he got out after nine months and has been vindicated and has admitted it was a fraud.
00:35:30.000He was going to serve a decade, not with Traficant.
00:35:33.000He was there seven and a half years and they told him, and he'll talk about this in a moment, anytime you say you're guilty, we'll let you go.
00:35:40.000Now, so first they try to pull some medical scams on him.
00:35:44.000They put him in with the illegal aliens.
00:35:46.000They put him into gladiator school, medium, maximum security, high security.
00:35:51.000Continue, Congressman Traficant, with what happened to you in prison.
00:35:55.000Well, at some particular point, you know, you made the statement that you have to stand on your own two feet.
00:36:00.000You have to be prepared for almost anything.
00:36:03.000And I had an awful lot of enemies in the prison system, and I didn't know exactly who or how someone might come at you.
00:36:35.000I told them where they could shove that pardon, because I certainly wasn't going to admit to something that I didn't do.
00:36:41.000But very few people know is that before that trial, the Northern District Court, Federal Court System of Ohio, passed a rule that if you got a judge from a particular area, you got a jury from that area.
00:36:54.000And it would become the Trafficking Rule.
00:36:56.000Because basically, nobody in my congressional district was eligible to serve on my jury.
00:37:01.000Second of all, the judge made my witnesses testify in open court under the threat of perjury to her outside the presence of a jury, and they told her the truth!
00:37:13.000No one was charged with perjury, but she did not allow them to testify to the jury.
00:37:19.000And four of those people said that of the seven people who testified against me, they had admitted to somebody close or whomever who had confided in me that they lied so they wouldn't go to prison themselves or have their wife indicted or their kids indicted or their company taken away, etc., etc.
00:37:37.000She didn't allow it to go to the jury.
00:37:39.000Now we find out after the trial was over one of the key witnesses against me, who was He perjured himself in my trial because he was caught perjuring himself in a previous trial that the judge's husband had a relationship, business-wise, with that family.
00:37:55.000I mean, this thing, it was so abusive that it speaks out, but when you're the number one target of the Justice Department, the number one target of the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee, Alex, you have nowhere to turn.
00:38:08.000You've got to stand on your own two feet and hopefully outlive it and come back and try and do what you can about it.
00:38:14.000Now, Congressman, let's break this down, though.
00:38:17.000The type of threats you got when you were in Congress and how you got set up.
00:38:22.000There's this crisis of confidence now.
00:38:25.000Because police all over the country, in every major city of Texas, just as an example, have been caught planting drugs on people to take their property.
00:38:48.000I'm for the death penalty at a grassroots level if they catch somebody who's murdered a kid.
00:38:52.000The problem is more than a third of those on death row has been proven with DNA or totally innocent.
00:38:57.000We know that the system is so corrupt you can't trust anything they say or do.
00:39:02.000So, but briefly, because I remember seeing it in the news, the hell in the seven and a half years, I know as a man you don't like to talk about what happened to you, you just want to be tough and ignore it, but people need to know the type of persecution.
00:39:14.000I mean, tell us more what happened in prison.
00:39:28.000They said some little punk jail guard, some sadist, has this congressman, this icon, and they're telling you, I don't like your attitude, boy.
00:39:40.000They said some little punk jail guard, some sadist, has this congressman, this icon, and they're telling you, "I don't like your attitude, boy.
00:39:48.000You're going to spend how long in the hole?" Well, they find out or use little maneuvers that they have.
00:39:55.000I believe I spent close to seven months in the hole over a period of time.
00:40:00.000And in the hole means that you get to get a shower every second day, three times a week.
00:40:47.000Now a Secret Service agent has come out, retired, Mike Robertson, and made the following statement.
00:40:52.000He said Traffickin was certainly railroaded.
00:40:54.000He said they had no physical evidence.
00:40:56.000He said they bugged that guy to death.
00:40:58.000They had people go to him with body mics.
00:41:00.000He said anybody in their right mind knows that.
00:41:02.000He said the reason the government voluntarily made that admission in court is because Traffickin could have subpoenaed all of their tapes and said, where's the crime?
00:41:12.000I want your listeners to remember this.
00:41:14.000They said they made no tapes, didn't bug my telephone or anything for six years now.
00:41:20.000If you believe that, I got some property down in Florida.
00:42:26.000Now, his attorney that he had was a former U.S.
00:42:28.000attorney who was pressuring him along with the government.
00:42:31.000So he fired that attorney, and they indicted him to keep him out of my case.
00:42:35.000The bottom line is, here's how egregious it was.
00:42:40.000When they brought the witness to testify against me in trial, he stated that he gave me the money in an automobile in Youngstown, Ohio.
00:42:48.000But the government is clearly on record now, clearly on record as trying to pressure Richard Detour to say that he saw the transaction in my office.
00:42:58.000And it was the prosecutor who was doing this.
00:43:00.000By the way, the prosecutor's now working for some insurance company in Columbus, Ohio, and everybody's scared to death of what happened because they know.
00:43:48.000I don't know who exactly did it, but it was supervised by Michael Chertoff, who they rewarded him, making him head of Homeland Security was over it, And they made the prosecutor, in my case, number two man in the Justice Department, right underneath Gonzalez.
00:44:01.000He was Deputy Attorney General there, until this thing hit with the fellow in Nigeria, and now the fellow in Washington, D.C., who spent a million and a half dollars.
00:44:10.000He was acquitted in about 45 minutes because his attorney called him and pressured him, his own attorney.
00:44:17.000Trying to encourage him to lie for the U.S.
00:47:14.000Now, what the newspaper didn't print, they all printed, trafficking supports Nazi mass murder.
00:47:19.000What they didn't print was what I told the family.
00:47:22.000When they came in, I said, look, your father's been convicted of mass murder.
00:47:25.000If he is guilty, I could truly go over and pull the switch.
00:47:28.000But I believe you should be able to at least state your case to somebody in government, and it should have been your own congressmen, your own senators.
00:48:01.000Well, I started to get... I was known in Congress for For taking a look at things objectively, and people were not afraid to confide in me.
00:48:09.000Before long, I started to get whistleblower activity.
00:48:12.000And the whistleblower type of things I got led me to certain conclusions.
00:48:15.000And I moved with a Freedom of Information Act request on Demonik, and they just kept throwing it in file 13 and saying, classify, classify, classify.
00:48:24.000And what I did is basically trick them, Alex.
00:48:28.000I started to look around and I researched, was there ever anybody tried for war crimes who was located at that Treblinka Poland concentration camp?
00:48:36.000And there was a man from Chicago, a Ukrainian, who ended up coming to the Chicago area by the name of Fyodor Fedorenko.
00:48:43.000He was tried for war crimes in America, at Treblinka, and was acquitted in America.
00:48:48.000Alex, he then went to visit his family in Ukraine, relieved of all the pressure.
00:48:52.000He was picked up by the KGB, tried over there, and executed.
00:48:56.000What I did is I submitted a Freedom of Information Act request on Fedorenko.
00:49:00.000And with that, I got documents from the State Department.
00:49:03.000And he looked just like the other guy.
00:49:06.000Well, no, I got the documents I got from the State Department, was in response to a request for information from one of our agents, Justice Department agents over in Germany years ago, maybe 25 years ago.
00:49:19.000And it had on the bottom, Alex, it said they had another 100 pages in the file.
00:54:52.000I think I've been branded as anti-Semite and quite frankly, I am a supporter of Israel.
00:54:59.000A supporter of Israel when they're doing what's right.
00:55:00.000When they do something wrong, I'm not going to be remiss here and not mention it.
00:55:04.000I believe that they have undue control of our government.
00:55:07.000But I'd like to say this, to start with.
00:55:10.000The Israeli Supreme Court gave a lesson in justice to the United States of America.
00:55:15.000This was the most controversial case, perhaps in Israeli history, one of them.
00:55:20.000And they looked at the evidence, Alex, and they said, take him home.
00:55:24.000Now, what everybody doesn't know, Alex, is that our government went back and wanted Israel to prosecute Dominic again on this other charge, and the Israeli Supreme Court would not allow it.
00:55:53.000Once you're targeted, and they fired a woman in 1990 or 1991, I don't know if you remember this Alex, a top-ranking woman.
00:56:06.000Politicians, they wanted to get rid of it.
00:56:07.000Jim Trafficking was the number one target in the world.
00:56:11.000And I think it was because the way I handled that case, no one would help me.
00:56:15.000And I went to the House floor, and I dramatically presented the case on behalf of Dominic and his family.
00:56:21.000And I believe that I riled up many, many of the people, whether they felt that just the fact that I looked into this case, that no one should look into it, I had to have some anti-semite blood.
00:56:31.000And now Germany's hauled this guy off, he's on the death's doorstep.
00:56:36.000Yeah, I think they're holding and delaying this, because I firmly believe that they do not want me over in Germany to speak out on this issue.
00:56:45.000I think they're holding this case up, holding that the old man will die over there.
00:57:05.000Well that's why I support you because I mean I looked at the facts and you've been persecuted a lot worse than Siegelman and he's been vindicated.
00:57:13.000You've been vindicated as well but not... What comes next?
00:57:16.000I mean how do you go after these guys?
00:57:22.000I really don't have any strength to do that, but this fella in Washington, D.C., this Richard Detour, may file suit.
00:57:27.000If he does, I will then back up into that suit as well.
00:57:31.000It's going to be a long, hard struggle, but I think that there's so many revelations to do that it's going to surprise an awful lot of people.
00:57:39.000But right now, I'm looking politically.
00:57:41.000I'm looking at politically not just for vengeance, but looking politically because I think America needs somebody to speak out on what the hell's going wrong, who's not afraid to speak out, who's not controlled by their party.
00:57:52.000I think too many of the politicians today have allegiance to the party.
00:57:56.000Allegiance should be to the American people.
00:57:58.000And so you're planning to run as an independent?
00:58:00.000independent and it's the Democrat area my chances aren't great I'll be quite honest as an independent, but I just don't see I can't see anybody following Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid into battle and Bobby damn beam me up if I'm going to be involved in that party But but I mean why not use the machinery like Ron Paul does and use their machinery you would still be an independent It would be impossible for me to do that I
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01:00:32.000James Traficant, I was asking you during that one-minute break, former congressman, Other key points, and you brought up the fact that you have people in Washington that are telling you you are being watched, and that there was a big secret investigation about the Denomiate case, but it was about how the traffic can't get the info.
01:00:50.000Yes, what I brought them on was that the big investigation didn't center about You know how they suborned perjury to ruin this man's life, and this was a capital offense.
01:00:59.000They're going to put the death penalty.
01:01:01.000It wasn't about how they withheld evidence about how they violated civil rights.
01:01:06.000It was how did trafficking get this information?
01:01:31.000And we've got this thing so convoluted and messed up.
01:01:34.000It's really a crime shame and it's got to be changed.
01:01:38.000We also need to thank your wife in all of this, Patricia.
01:01:43.000Travacant, she stood beside you, you stood beside her.
01:01:46.000And for better and worse, and people, if they do write checks to try to get you guys back on your feet to the address, they need to address those you were telling me to Patricia Travacant, 429 North Main Street, Poland, Ohio, 44514.
01:02:04.000Congressman, we've got about three minutes left, and you were going to give me a liner for the show about...
01:02:11.000You know, Alec, I've gotten volumes of mail all through the seven and a half years, and one of the reasons I got them is people followed my little one-minute speeches.
01:02:20.000And I just didn't do them to the grandstand.
01:02:22.000I made salient points during that time and dramatized things that I think had to be made.
01:02:27.000But I became known for the statement, beam me up.
01:02:30.000And basically I just said beam me up because there's no intelligent life here, but here's what I'd like to say to the Alex You don't need to be beamed up.
01:02:40.000Jim Travigan doesn't need to be beamed up on Alex Jones Show because there is an intelligent audience there and there is a message coming out that's educating that audience.
01:02:51.000And believe me when I say this, if more people were listening to Alex, And could listen to Alex.
01:02:58.000I think you'd see a direct and intended change in some of these misdirected policies that are coming out of Washington.
01:03:04.000So misdirected and absurd that if you threw them at the ground, they'd probably miss.
01:03:07.000So there's no need to beam me up here in Austin, Texas.
01:03:11.000There's intelligent life in Austin, Texas.
01:03:13.000And before I leave again, I want to say I don't know what happened to Chairman Archer, Bill Archer, but Alex, I want you to run him down, I want you to find him, and I want you to say that Jim Travigan said, thank you, on behalf of the American people.
01:03:31.000What's the time frame for the election for people to start getting behind you in Ohio?
01:03:36.000Well, that means I'll be on the ballot in the November election, but I have to get signatures signed, I have to get petitions signed up until May the 3rd.
01:03:44.000I need a couple thousand signatures here, and it's going to be an uphill struggle.
01:03:48.000I'm not supported by any newspaper, any political party, any entity of anything.
01:03:52.000It's an uphill struggle, but you know what?
01:04:42.000You get a great message to the people.
01:04:44.000I think if I could leave anything there, I'd just say tune in to Alex's show, and I hope you get more coverage around the country.
01:04:51.000I think they need to hear a rational voice like yours.
01:04:54.000So thanks for having me, Alex, and good luck.
01:04:55.000Beam me up if you don't need it down there in Texas.
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01:06:39.000And the Congress is saying, "Who do we make the checkout to?" Today seems like nobody does care.
01:06:43.000And right now in Washington, D.C., we have seen a fall of the Republic.
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01:08:20.000For the rest of the hour we are joined by attorney Philip J. Berg, a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, former candidate for governor of the U.S.
01:08:30.000Senate in Democratic primaries, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA, and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA.
01:08:42.000Phil is a paid live member of the NAACP and voluntary fire police for 27 years.
01:08:53.000And we've had Jerome Corsi on about this day one, a year and a half ago, two years ago now, but the first person to really research this, because he was concerned about it, back when it was in the Democratic primaries, I guess almost two years ago, or two years ago, yeah, almost two years ago, was Phil Byrd.
01:09:29.000The point is, they're lying about things that are admitted.
01:09:32.000Then we got a certificate of a birth certificate.
01:09:35.000But more and more, and this is what I've always focused on, it's the fake names.
01:09:41.000And it's being adopted in Indonesia because there's only a few countries like England and Israel and a few others where you can have dual citizenship and still be allowed to be a U.S.
01:11:09.000And I know there's big new developments, but I want Phil, for new listeners and people that aren't really understanding this, I've just seen the media's kind of boil down, deceptive boil down of what's happening and who birthers are, to talk to the father of the birther movement and recap the history of this.
01:11:27.000But they are acting very, very suspicious now.
01:11:51.000Arizona House panel approves bill requiring presidential candidates to show birth certificates.
01:11:58.000Nearly half of the Arizona legislator wants to force President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate to state officials if he runs for re-election.
01:12:06.000A state house committee on Tuesday approved the measure, sponsored 40 of the state's 90 legislatures.
01:12:12.000It would require the presidential candidates who want to appear on the ballot in Arizona to submit documents proving that they meet the requirements to be president.
01:12:21.000And it goes on, Bill requiring citizenship proof for president contenders passes house committee.
01:12:48.000I think that hurt him more and why he's lost 12% of his audience, according to Nielsen, in the last three weeks, than just demonizing and setting up Deborah Medina in Texas.
01:12:57.000I believe he lost a lot of his viewers over the birther issue.
01:13:35.000Alex, a pleasure to be on with you again, and you have great listeners out there.
01:13:40.000I think we're really getting to Obama.
01:13:42.000Significant for everyone, and first off, real quick, my background.
01:13:46.000Lifelong Democrat candidate for Governor in the United States Senate, a Democrat primarily in Pennsylvania.
01:13:52.000And many others, which they can find out on my website, Obamacrimes.com.
01:13:57.000Lifelong Democrat, and also then they throw at me I'm a racist.
01:14:01.000Well, I happen to be a paid employee from the NAACP, so I'm not a racist.
01:14:05.000I just believe we should have, you know, equal rights in this country.
01:14:08.000The rights given to us through our Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights.
01:14:14.000And what we have here is, real quick is, um, everyone knows that Arnold Schwarzenegger, people have talked to him about him running for president for the last 10 or 15 years, and he constantly says that amend the constitution because he admits he's from Austria, and he admits he doesn't fulfill the requirements.
01:14:30.000The requirements for president under our U.S.
01:15:51.000I think we're really getting to Obama or the people around him, because many times, and I'm sure I said on your show before, but I'll reiterate, when all is said and done, Barack Obama, actually his real name is Barry Satura, we'll go into that, Michelle Obama, Howard Dean,
01:16:06.000the former head of the Democratic National Committee, other officials the former head of the Democratic National Committee, other officials of the Democratic National Committee, senior campaign officials, and now senior administration officials who know that he's a phony and a fraud, should be brought into our criminal justice system and should be tried, and those convicted should go to jail.
01:16:22.000And Obama should go to jail, and also he should be deported.
01:16:25.000The reason I'm mentioning that is, and I'm going to be putting out a press release shortly on this, I drafted it months ago, but the timing's right.
01:16:35.000We need a deep throat regarding Obama, because that's what broke it with the water case, And I think it's going to happen because we're now, with him saying, don't question my citizenship, and Glenn Beck now going to town, I don't know about this week, last week, I know he spoke about me three days, he had my picture up on his Blackboard.
01:16:57.000I tried to confront him this, uh, I couldn't get to him this past Saturday.
01:17:25.000I have to see that because I want to see what he's saying because what he's doing is he's on the verge of bringing out the crazies to come after me.
01:17:33.000And I have always called for one thing.
01:17:36.000He called me an obstructionist, I know.
01:17:38.000I have always called for a peaceful revolution.
01:17:41.000I don't want anything to happen to Obama.
01:17:43.000I don't want to turn him into a martyr.
01:17:45.000There's some other people out there who are talking about different things.
01:17:50.000Our march in Washington is going to be peaceful.
01:17:53.000Yeah, notice Beck keeps saying, that's what he does, he puts your picture up and Van Jones and then points in your direction and says, these people hate America, these birthers, these truthers, they want to hurt you, President.
01:18:07.000Don't let them be in your administration, they'll kill you.
01:18:10.000He's said that literally scores of times, so he's invoking this idea of violence, very dangerous.
01:18:16.000It is dangerous, and if you can get me the actual clip on that, because if he said that, I'm going to ask for a retraction, and if he won't retract it, I'm going to sue him, because that's what's dangerous right now.
01:18:26.000If everyone's looked at what I've been doing, this is now my 19th month doing this.
01:18:30.000I've always called for peaceful revolution.
01:18:32.000I've called for doing this through the legal system, and since the legal system is so slow, we're going to have this birth certificate march in Washington, probably late May, early June, and we're getting a fabulous response all across this country, because Every one of your listeners can identify with a birth certificate because they must show a birth certificate between one and ten times in their lifetime.
01:18:55.000Everyone needs it to register for Little League.
01:18:57.000You need it for different things, for marriage, or you need it for scholarships, or college, or school.
01:19:02.000The best one, you're down there in Texas, a woman sent me an email a while back from Texas, and she said, I registered my nephew for school.
01:19:08.000At the end of the registration, my nephew said to the principal, can I ask you a question?
01:19:12.000And then they lie and say he's shown his birth certificate.
01:19:16.000to register for school, but Obama didn't have to show it to become president.
01:19:20.000And that says it all when a 13-year-old can identify with him.
01:19:23.000And then they lie and say he's shown his birth certificate.
01:19:27.000And you get people who look like fools, like Chris Matthews, shaking a piece of paper saying this is his birth certificate.
01:19:34.000No one has seen the birth certificate.
01:19:36.000What people have seen is not even a for real document because at the bottom of the document it says if there's any alteration it's inbound.
01:19:44.000What people have seen is a certification of by birth which was even forged.
01:19:49.000That was put on their campaign website.
01:19:52.000I want to come back and recap though and get into the Indonesian situation, the Barry Sotero, who this guy really is.
01:19:59.000Because the birth certificate is only part of it.
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01:24:12.000And you've got legislatures passing or in the process of passing laws, and the states do run the federal government, saying you want to Be on the ballot here, you gotta show your birth certificate.
01:24:26.000And it's the fact that he, his real name is Barry Sotero, he became an Indonesian citizen, he got adopted by a foreign family, and you talk about this, and the mainstream media says that's a lie, when that's on record, Phil Berg.
01:24:41.000The key really, you know, the bloggers on the internet, they try to say they saw a birth certificate and everything, they fight back and forth.
01:24:49.000But we raised the issue then, we shifted it.
01:24:51.000The issue really is, everyone out there, the fact that he was adopted or even acknowledged in Indonesia.
01:24:56.000And in his books, he's sort of bound by certain things.
01:24:59.000Number one in one of his books, he says he found his birth certificate.
01:25:02.000So it's a baloney that he can't produce it.
01:25:04.000The reason he can't produce it will show that he was born in Kenya.
01:25:07.000But the second thing in his book, he says his parents had been divorced.
01:25:10.000He says, my stepfather, Lobo Sotoro, returned to Indonesia before my mother and I. Well, that's significant, because in the 1960s, Indonesia was at war.
01:25:18.000The only ones who could go to school there were those that were natural of Indonesia.
01:25:23.000He became natural because he was adopted or acknowledged.
01:25:25.000We have his school record on our website, and his school record indicates his name is Barry Sotoro.
01:26:01.000I've been saying this, and I need the American support behind me.
01:26:04.000You know, follow me on obamacrime.com.
01:26:06.000We're going to have a birth certificate march in Washington.
01:26:09.000Washington, everyone bring a copy of your birth certificate.
01:26:11.000And we're going to demand that either he produced, that he showed that he's constitutionally qualified, or we're going to ask him, demand that he resign, because Congress won't do anything right now.
01:27:43.000I think he's being blackmailed internally, and I'm waiting to see what happens when China and Iran get these documents, because I'm sure they're out there.
01:27:50.000And we're in a really, really bad situation because of Obama.
01:27:56.000One of my lawsuits is, I believe he's not only not natural born, he's not naturalized, but he's an illegal alien, and therefore one of my lawsuits deals with the fact that he should not have been a U.S.
01:28:05.000Senator, and therefore the salary and benefit And expenses should be returned to the U.S.
01:28:12.000More important though, because he's an usurper or fraud, all the laws he's passing, as far as I am concerned, are void or avoidable.
01:28:19.000I mean, we're really in a constitutional mess at this point.
01:28:22.000And, you know, some people are saying, oh, nothing should happen to Obama because if he goes out of office, even legally, Mr. Berg, there'll be riots in the streets.
01:28:30.000Well, there shouldn't be any riots in the streets because there's one person to blame for this, and that's Barack Obama.
01:28:35.000Remember, he taught constitutional law for ten years, everyone.
01:28:39.000Aside from the schools he maybe went to, we don't even know.
01:28:41.000He supposedly went to Occidental and Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he was head of the Harvard Law Review.
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01:34:59.000for a while and just let you roll with this whole saga because we have a lot of new listeners, a lot of people just heard the media demonize birthers.
01:35:07.000Again, why this is so important, the whole Indonesia situation, and then we're going to open the phones up only on the birther issue, folks, for Phil Berg, 1-800-259-9231, 1-800-259-9231.
01:35:32.000When I was contacted by an individual to do this, I checked into it and I proceeded.
01:35:38.000One thing I said from the first day I filed the first lawsuit, which is August 21st, 2008, which is like 19 months ago, I said, if I am wrong, Obama, prove me wrong, show me all the documentation certified from the source, and I will withdraw my lawsuit.
01:36:17.000It does not have the doctor's name and the doctor's signature.
01:36:20.000This is what's on a long-form, bulk birth certificate, which I've now received hundreds of them since we put out the announcement.
01:36:27.000We're asking people to fax or email or mail them to us for our birth certificate, March from Washington, which will be in late May or June.
01:36:35.000But more significant than the birth certificate issue, because people keep arguing, you know, well, Chris Massie said he saw it, and Glenn, or Riley said he saw it, and I think both of them have backed off on those statements.
01:36:45.000But more significant is the fact that he was adopted or acknowledged in Indonesia.
01:36:50.000Now, I'll tell you why, because I had an argument the other day with an immigration attorney.
01:36:54.000I raised the question so people could identify with this.
01:36:56.000I said, what happens about the children that are being adopted here in the United States from Haiti?
01:37:01.000And he said, well, they sever all the relationships with Haiti, and they take the new family's last name, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
01:37:06.000I said, then how can you disagree with me that when Obama's adopted in Indonesia, the same thing doesn't take place?
01:37:35.000Therefore, unless he has legally changed his name, his name is Barry Sotoro.
01:37:39.000You know, many of you out there who have adopted children or know someone that has adopted a child, they take your family last name.
01:37:45.000Now, significant as the fact is, when he came back at age 10, to live with his mother's parents, his grandparents in Hawaii, we believe that he did not go through immigration.
01:37:56.000If he did go through immigration, he would have been given a certificate of citizenship, but because he became a natural of Indonesia, he would have only become naturalized.
01:38:06.000But we believe he didn't go through there.
01:38:09.000He went back on his Indonesia passport, and therefore he's an illegal alien.
01:38:31.000And after he got sworn into office, now he's like basically catering to the Muslim.
01:38:36.000You know, during the campaign, he could not use his middle name of Hussein.
01:38:40.000When he was sworn in, he becomes Barack Hussein Obama.
01:38:45.000Then he went to Egypt, and said, I have the same religion as you, and spoke Arabic from the Quran better than many people in the country.
01:38:55.000They were shocked by it, and just incredible.
01:38:59.000And then also, Alex, if you recall, he mentioned about the United States.
01:39:03.000The United States, he said, has the largest Muslim population in the world.
01:39:06.000I mean, and then he goes apologizing around the world for the United States' actions in the past.
01:39:15.000And then he bowed down to the Saudi king.
01:39:17.000No president of the United States has ever bowed down to anyone.
01:39:19.000He bowed down, there's a question if he kissed his ring, also the Saudi king.
01:39:23.000And then when he's in Japan, he bowed down to the Japanese emperor.
01:39:26.000And then they lie and say he's dropping things, but we have the video where he clearly bows to everybody, and it gets worse because we know that his real name is Barry Sotaro, we know we have a president who's using an alias, we know that he was adopted, and the media's not even denying that, they just don't even cover it.
01:39:50.000Well, a great point in which you brought up, and your listeners can compare it to, look what they did to Sarah Palin during the last six weeks of the campaign.
01:39:58.000The reporters in droves went to Alaska, went under every stone behind every door, asked her all kinds of questions.
01:40:04.000Now think back what they did with Obama.
01:40:07.000If they properly vetted Obama, he would never have been nominated, let alone be elected president.
01:40:13.000It's really, and I was interviewed by the New York Times, and I said, I wish I could sue the national media, including the New York Times, for not properly vetting Obama.
01:40:20.000They even have the guts enough, they printed that.
01:40:22.000They printed it even still in the New York Times, because it's a disgrace.
01:40:25.000But the problem is, and I laughed about it two years ago when Bush questioned Russia about Putin with a free press.
01:40:33.000We don't have a free press in this country.
01:40:36.000Most of the press in this country is now owned by three or four major corporations.
01:40:40.000And there was a study done, except the person who was really the source of the information has not allowed her name to be released, but there's supposedly an office in the White House that is keeping pressure on all these media outlets to not discuss this story.
01:41:31.000And I'm also doing this, Alex, for the 1.6 million men and women who have died in battle Let's expand.
01:41:37.000to defend this Constitution, and another 1.6 million who have been injured or remained fighting these wars, and the millions of others who have served their great nation in wartime and peacetime defending this Constitution.
01:41:50.000And then you have Barack Obama, who basically doesn't care about the Constitution.
01:41:54.000And aside from the things we're talking about, which is the First Amendment, he's talking about things on the Second Amendment and other.
01:42:00.000I could go on and on about other issues, but we don't have to do that.
01:42:39.000I know he hasn't released the real birth certificate.
01:42:42.000I know he's blocking all the school records.
01:42:44.000I know he's blocking his records when he came back to Hawaii, separate from the birth certificate.
01:42:50.000Why would they be covering all this up if there wasn't something there?
01:42:56.000It's a fact they're covering it up, listeners.
01:42:59.000It's a fact They haven't shown the real birth certificate, only the certificate of live birth.
01:43:03.000It's a fact, a fact, a fact, and it's not gonna go away, and if we're 13 months into his presidency, then he's got the lowest approval rating of any president one year in in history, and plunging even faster, and he's breaking just every record.
01:43:18.000This is devastating him, whether he likes it or not, and stalling their entire agenda, which I think is a great thing regardless, but now I'm getting to the point where It really does, to me, look like that he's not a citizen.
01:44:07.000I think he's put our country in a dangerous, dangerous position.
01:44:11.000Not only what, and on top of that, what he's doing, but, you know, I could go on forever what he's doing, but I'm concerned with Eric Holder.
01:44:18.000One of my cases, the case where I say he's an illegal alien and shouldn't have been a U.S. senator, we have one of the issues we just filed, our appeal to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals.
01:44:27.000If there ever was a conflict of interest, ladies and gentlemen, let me set it forth real quick.
01:44:33.000In those type cases, they're called False Claims Act cases.
01:44:36.000It was sealed because of that, not because it was something special.
01:44:40.000All False Claims Act cases are sealed.
01:44:41.000False Claims Act are usually done in Medicaid or Medicare fraud.
01:44:45.000Hypothetically, if I believe my next-door neighbor is committing fraud, What I would do is I would file this action on behalf of the United States of America and as the Relator.
01:44:54.000They call the person filing the Relator, R-E-L-A-T-O-R, and then also then versus Jane and John Doe from next door.
01:45:02.000Well, Jane and John Doe are not served.
01:46:16.000Well, we're going to then let you finish up and then we're going to take calls for 30 minutes into the next hour because I want to hear the different angles and points that listeners will bring up on this front.
01:46:25.000But shifting gears again, I want to get this question out there.
01:46:29.000What do you think of the Arizona House passing it out of committee six to one, and now it looks like right at half of the legislature is set to vote, and they're gaining votes, that they may pass a law in Arizona saying if Obama runs again in the next two years, starts his campaign up, to be on the ballot there in that they may pass a law in Arizona saying if Obama runs again in the next two years, starts his campaign up, I think it's fabulous.
01:46:52.000It just shows that the issue I started, and I don't care who crosses the finish line with it, I'm glad I'm out there and I'm gonna stay with this issue.
01:47:01.000A congressman, I don't have his name from Florida, introduced legislation in the House of Representatives in Washington to the same effect that as of 2012 any presidential candidate has to show that they're constitutionally qualified.
01:47:14.000Only about 7 to 10 other Republicans joined in that action, no Democrats.
01:48:15.000He's even joked around and called himself Barry Sotaro, as if he's trying to inoculate people to this fact because he knows it's coming out.
01:49:07.000Right, and we have on our website, we have the step-grandmother, Sarah Obama, in Swahili, and we have the translation stating she was in the hospital when he was born in Mombasa, Kenya.
01:49:18.000Now, at the end of the tape, there's some kids yelling, no, no, Hawaii.
01:49:21.000She stated, definitely, she was in the hospital when he was born.
01:49:25.000That's more significant than anything they've produced.
01:49:27.000They've produced one thing, that document, which is a phony.
01:49:30.000Then they keep saying, well, there were two newspaper articles saying he was born.
01:49:35.000My children live, I'm in Pennsylvania, my children live in other states.
01:49:38.000When my grandchildren were born, I put announcements in here in my local paper that I have a new grandchild.
01:49:44.000That doesn't mean he was born there, that doesn't mean my children are born here, they're not, they're born elsewhere.
01:50:14.000Because, especially then and even now, even though right now I think we're in trouble with orders because of the many things Obama's doing, people fight to get to the United States because we have freedom.
01:50:23.000I mean, the sad part is, ladies and gentlemen, when listening to this, we take for granted some of these freedoms you have in this country, and you shouldn't.
01:50:31.000I remember with my children going through a train over in Europe a number of years ago, and we were stopped because we took a train through, at that time, Czechoslovakia, and we didn't have the correct papers for that.
01:50:41.000The conduct that got hit me and my children.
01:50:44.000If not, there were armed guards came on that thing and checking with people to take them off.
01:50:48.000You don't realize what freedoms you have here.
01:50:50.000I mean, what we're talking about here today, Alex, on your show, you couldn't be doing this in Russia.
01:50:55.000You couldn't be doing this in America.
01:50:57.000If they set the precedent to have an illegal alien as president, we're screwed.
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01:55:40.000I want to go to your phone calls and we've got to Mr. Berg for another 30 minutes to the next hour, so plenty of time for him to get into any other subjects.
01:55:49.000But support what he's doing, because he's got a lot of courage.
01:56:19.000My question is, first off, I took an African American Studies class.
01:56:25.000Two years ago, or last year, here in college in Macomb, Illinois, and we saw the biography channel, biography on Barry Fitoro, and they said, growing up, that his nickname was Barry.
01:56:38.000I do remember that, and I just saw right now on TV for Comcast, Cable People On Demand, you can look it up, they have his biography there.
01:56:47.000But my question, you're talking about a march in Washington, D.C.
01:57:13.000Much of his own cabinet has been caught in tax trouble, doesn't pay their taxes.
01:57:17.000It's just a lawless group of criminals, and you were going to say something about Mr. Beck.
01:57:23.000Yeah, Benedict Arnold, uh, you know, him, you know, Chris Matthews, all these scum, you guys are right, they're setting us up for something because they continue, now recently on TV, talking about birthers, talking about 9-11 truth movement, and how, you know, we're going to assassinate the president.
01:57:39.000We all need to be peaceful in this info war fight.
01:57:42.000Julio, Julio, tell him, you've seen that yourself, we've played it here.
01:57:49.000Glenn Beck on his radio program said that, you know, 9-11 truthers, he was talking about Van Jones, are going to infiltrate the White House, are already in the White House, and are going to assassinate the President, that we need to have the President in our prayers.
01:58:01.000And in another TV show, he said birthers too now.
01:58:05.000Yeah, he had you on his stupid little 4th grade chalkboard, you, he had Debra Medina, Miss Flip-Flopper, who, you know, I'm shocked that that happened, but, you know, he had all these people, he had Van Jones on his board, you know, this is, uh, this is... Alright, Julio, Julio, thank you.
01:58:20.000We're gonna come back in 70 seconds with a third hour, have Philbert respond to what he just heard briefly, then we're gonna quickly, because I want to get a lot of callers in.
01:58:28.000Julio had great points, but that burned up five minutes.
01:58:31.000We're going to go to Matt, David, John, Nick, and others so we can get to others and bring up different issues and so Phil Berg can respond.
01:58:37.000His time is very important, so I want to just ask the question and have him respond.
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02:00:25.000Attorney Phil Byrd, founder of the birther movement, is our guest.
02:00:28.000I'm going to have him in the next segment briefly recap some states that carry the second half of the show, why the birther issue is so important.
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02:01:14.000But it's wrong what he's doing and wrong making I want a peaceful revolution.
02:01:21.000I want this through the court system and not to do that.
02:01:25.000I'm going to embrace the American public to have a birth certificate march on Washington, which will be peaceful, and demand that if he can't prove that he's constitutionally eligible, that he resign.
02:01:34.000Can you see a million people there with a copy of birth certificate and Obama not doing it?
02:01:40.000And by the way, at these town halls, as you know, for a year now, Republican and Democrats will say, no, he's an American citizen, and literally the whole room starts screaming at them, even at Democrat events.
02:01:52.000People are sick of this, and Obamacrimes.com is your website.
02:01:56.000I've seen it on TV, I've heard it, where he puts you up there next to the weathermen and others and says, these people hate America, they're dangerous.
02:02:04.000Folks, send those videos, because there's millions of listeners, you can find them, I have a small staff, I've seen it, I don't have time to go dig it out, it would take maybe 10 hours to dig through hundreds of shows.
02:02:15.000Send it all to Phil Berg, help him so he has the info, but also supportobamacrimes.com.
02:02:28.000I may have to be way out in left field here, but what do you think the chances are that the puppet masters, the people that pull Obama's strings and the higher-ups in government are going to let Obama's true identity and his birth certificate and all that out at the right time to get him impeached in order to impose more laws on us?
02:02:56.000To be able to Keep better track of us.
02:02:58.000You're saying, you're saying that could be the false flag.
02:03:02.000It would cause riots, all sorts of problems.
02:03:06.000Well, you know, I'm going to demand when we get him out of office that we're going to do it.
02:03:09.000We're going to demand we'll hold a news conference.
02:03:11.000I'm going to call the top politicians in this country, the religious leaders, and say, do you plan to cause riots in the streets and damage property and injure and kill people?
02:03:20.000The only person responsible for this is Barack Obama.
02:03:42.000Well, it's just like Climategate in the first month when they said it wasn't real, and now it blew up in their face and they've all admitted they're liars.
02:04:03.000And therefore, when he came back, according to our immigration laws, he would only become naturalized.
02:04:08.000But someone did what's called a FOIA request, Freedom of Information request, send me a copy to ask for a copy of Obama's birth certificate.
02:04:46.000That's even worse than him really being an Indonesian citizen.
02:04:49.000We have an Indonesian citizen as our president, and once you, even if he had been a US citizen before, he'd have to waive that citizenship to become a citizen of Indonesia.
02:04:59.000I mean, if I wanted to go waive my citizenship... One major world crisis away from having a totalitarian type of system.
02:05:06.000The main event is the wholesale destruction of the world economy.
02:05:09.000The push for every nation on the globe to identify and number all of its citizens.
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02:08:53.000They just say, we've shown the birth certificate, these people are lying.
02:08:57.000Why has Obama sealed all of his school records?
02:08:59.000Because the real name's Barry Sotaro, and a lot of people are coming forward saying, He was called Barry Sitaro then, and that he was getting foreign aid.
02:09:08.000Now, we're going to go back to your calls, David, John, Nick, Ronald, and others.
02:09:13.000Questions for Fillberg only on the subject of the Bertha issue and where his court cases are going.
02:09:21.000But here's the associated I just want to say something because many people say, well a parent can't renounce, you know, give up their children's rights.
02:09:32.000But if Obama wanted to do that between the ages of 18 and 21, he would have had to renounce his Indonesia citizenship and reaffirm any citizenship that he did have for the United States.
02:09:44.000There's no evidence he did that either.
02:10:04.000Now, here is Obama, this is Associated Press, a couple months ago, this was December 22nd, 2009, last year, calling in, using his real name.
02:10:36.000But rather than go there, I just wanted to say how proud we are of your service as Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia and just I wish you and the family all the best this Christmas season.
02:11:19.000I could play video from Vermont and from Missouri where they had police go on the news and say, if you criticize Obama and say he's not a Christian or say he wasn't born here, we're going to arrest you.
02:11:50.000And it turned out the Obama campaign was having local Democrat police and sheriffs and prosecutors come out and threaten people.
02:11:58.000I mean, this is Look, Jerome Corsi got the documents, the emails from Obama when he was in the Senate to his cousin, Odinga, threatening to, and saying, cause riots.
02:12:11.000So you lost the election, cause riots, and they'll give you a position in the government, and they did.
02:12:16.000Not only causing riots, what they did is they caused riots.
02:12:20.000They set fire to churches with people alive.
02:12:29.000Right, and then Obama raised a million dollars for him during that time, and then by doing all that, they forced him to do something that was given a position in the government over there.
02:12:38.000Yeah, before they just had President, what, they made a prime ministership for him?
02:12:59.000I will refer to our president from here on as President Sotero, and I recommend anybody else do the same, and when people ask you, what are you, you know, what is that all about, then explain to them everything that you've laid out.
02:13:12.000Now, my question is a constitutional crisis question.
02:13:16.000If it's found out, if we can prove that he's illegitimate, and I believe he is, then every executive order, every bill he's signed, every treaty, every foreign agreement is invalid.
02:13:28.000What happens then if it's, say, three years into the presidency and this all comes out and he has to leave?
02:13:36.000No doubt about it, it's pointless to argue.
02:13:40.000Well, everything he's done is his bad, so that sounds great!
02:13:43.000Yeah, David, that's why I don't want to wait three years.
02:13:56.000And we are in a constitutional crisis because, and it would take another whole show, I can't go into the whole thing about who would become President.
02:14:02.000He used to vote, I don't know about the amendment, he used to vote separate for President and Vice President.
02:14:08.000So therefore, I don't believe Biden would become, because it was a fraudulent ticket, to go back to January 8th, the joint session of Congress, where Congress violated their duty, because they were only going to vote for, their duty was to vote for, count the votes, electoral college votes for a qualified person.
02:14:25.000Because if one member of the House, one member of the Senate had given a written objection, they would have gone to a separate House and Senate to discuss the issue.
02:14:33.000And if they didn't agree, they would have nominated whoever they wanted for President and Vice President.
02:14:37.000But because they didn't do their job, does it go back to December 15th, when all the electors met in the state capitals of the various states?
02:15:01.000Speaking about threats, it came out in major newspapers last year that there's 25 people on Obama's hit list, and of course I'm number 24 on there, and it said that birther groups and yourself are also on the list, And there is no doubt that they've got an enemies list.
02:15:18.000People need to be praying for all of us.
02:15:30.000As soon as we have the date, I'll call you back and we'll have it up on our website and we'll tell you when we get on your show and spread the word.
02:15:36.000But the initial reaction response from people was phenomenal.
02:15:40.000People want to do something because it's something they can do.
02:15:43.000And every one of your listeners can identify with the versatility of the issue.
02:15:46.000One other thing, the people that Obama associated with, I'm not saying this is a good thing, but I understand why it's been done.
02:15:53.000He would get a job as a Chicago police officer with who he dealt with.
02:15:56.000He couldn't get a job as an FBI agent or a Secret Service agent, but yet the Secret Service is protecting him.
02:16:04.000I'm not saying this is a good thing, but I understand why it's been done.
02:16:08.000In the old days, if you weren't three, four, or fifth generation, you couldn't be FBI or Secret Service because it was important that you not be a spy because when the Constitution was ratified, for those who don't know, they had cases of Austria sending its people, members of its government, they had cases of Austria sending its people, members of its government, its ruling class and royalty, into Poland and other countries to try to get elected and take over And so this has always been an old problem.
02:16:37.000And if this guy Yeah, I mean, his real name's Barry Sitaro.
02:18:10.000Hey, I just was wondering if we know that the shadow government basically put Obama into his position.
02:18:18.000My question is, um, why do you think that, um, they didn't put somebody in there that could produce the documents or just, you know, produce documents for them since they have that kind of power?
02:18:52.000Yes, it does violate the Constitution.
02:18:54.000And I think they put him up because... When I got the phone call, you've got to think about this, ladies and gentlemen.
02:18:59.000The phone call I got was, they said, Phil, you're the only attorney in the country we know with a brace, you know what, that would sue Obama.
02:19:05.000And that was an honor I took here, but since then, other attorneys have joined suit.
02:19:09.000But it's very rare you're going to find someone that wants to challenge the President or someone of that stature.
02:19:13.000And I did it because I think there's nothing more important than our Constitution.
02:19:17.000And there's very few of us that would do something like that.
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02:24:25.000And I'll give you the chapter and verse, the Constitution, where it's treason.
02:24:31.000Ronald in New Jersey, you're on the air with Phil Berg.
02:24:48.000I think that there's ample evidence that there is no birth certificate.
02:24:51.000But even if there was, even if Obama was born in Hawaii, just by virtue of the fact that his father was never an American, and had he lived, could very well be ruling Kenya.
02:25:05.000Well, doesn't that in itself contradict what was intended by the founders in coining the term natural-born citizens?
02:25:13.000I don't believe so, and that's an argument other attorneys have come forth with.
02:25:17.000I don't believe so because we keep changing the definition of natural-born.
02:25:22.000For this reason, if a husband and wife, boyfriend and girlfriend are traveling any place in the world and a child is born, if both are U.S.
02:25:28.000citizens, their child, when it comes back through immigration and gets a passport, is considered natural born.
02:25:33.000The statute here, which was changed when Obama was supposedly born August 4th, 1961, the American citizen, in this case the mother, had to convey natural born status, had to live in this country for 10 years.
02:25:45.000And five of those years had to be after the age of 14.
02:26:08.000A comment for Mr. Berg was that back before the election, I was able to get through and talk to John Moody, the Vice President of Fox News, and his excuse for them not covering it is that it's quote-unquote not their job and that people shouldn't be lazy and do the work themselves.
02:26:35.000That's an interesting comment, because Fox is not their job.
02:26:39.000Fox, it's very strange, they came out of New York, spent an hour and a half driving down here, filming for an hour and a half, went back to New York, never heard one minute of it.
02:26:47.000But then, if it's not their job, then how come all the media, including Fox, ripped apart, and maybe Fox didn't do it, but all the other media ripped apart Sarah Palin?
02:26:56.000Well, now Fox is going after you, Great Guns, with the birther thing.
02:27:53.000Hey Alex, I know you're a hard man to get through to four times, but anyway, the main point is both you guys should try to sue through the English court for them trying to slander you, whatever, especially for you with the financial times, because you don't even have to prove that they slandered you.
02:28:10.000They have to prove that they were innocent of not slandering you.
02:28:58.000Hey guys, hey fellas, it's my understanding, maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I had a discussion with my dad, but the real issue isn't your Hannity's and your Glenn Beck's.
02:29:07.000Isn't the real problem the progressives that are taking over our nation?
02:29:11.000Absolutely, but the problem is Beck supported the banker bailout.
02:29:19.000I'm attacking anybody who's unconstitutional, but I mean, what's your point there?
02:29:26.000The point is, is that the progressives, and I believe maybe 100% of the Democrats and the majority of the Republicans together, are all progressive and destroying the Constitution.
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02:31:12.000There's a place down in Tennessee where they make blue diamond gusset jeans.
02:33:54.000It's a little bit bigger pellet than a BB, about, I guess, three times the size.
02:33:57.000I've bought quite a few of these guns to train my five-year-old daughter and seven-year-old son on marksmanship in the backyard.
02:34:07.000And the ATF in Cornelius, Oregon, went in to one of the local dealers of Airsoft plastic pellet guns, that they have no statutory authority, nothing, went in, took the guns from Customs, it turns out Customs called them the toy guns, and are now claiming that they can just basically, outside of law, rule what is a firearm.
02:34:36.000And we see cases where somebody's got an AR-15 that they bought legal, it has a malfunction, fires two or three rounds, the shooting range calls the police on them, and in federal court they say, it doesn't matter, even if you didn't know and it was a legal gun, you're going to prison.
02:34:55.000So the ATF is harassing lawful gun owners.
02:34:59.000Uh, they're raiding people every day I see in the news.
02:35:01.000Neighbors will see somebody with a rifle put in their car at their house.
02:35:04.000The police come, they find five guns, a thousand rounds of ammo.
02:35:46.000I mean, yeah, if you spent two or three times the money it takes to buy a real gun, maybe you could, and it'd blow up in your face.
02:35:52.000So he joins us to talk about all the different facets and angles of this, and how this is just being selectively enforced, and even the selective enforcement is just made up.
02:36:04.000And if this is allowed to stand, It sets an incredibly dangerous precedent, because if they can ban BB guns that shoot plastic BBs, what's going to happen to the deadly Red Rider?
02:36:18.000Will it be banned as an assault weapon?
02:36:20.000So, we now speak to our guest Brad Martin.
02:36:22.000Brad, break down exactly what happened and all the latest developments for us.
02:36:28.000Yeah, this started back in October of 2009.
02:36:32.000We import airsoft toy guns and airsoft equipment to go along with those.
02:36:38.000And over the last five or six years, we've had several interventions from customs where they've taken in the vicinity of about $17,000 worth of product from us.
02:36:49.000And, you know, I haven't really made a big issue out of it.
02:36:54.000We just took our licks and kept on keeping on and keeping on sort of.
02:36:59.000But bottom line is this most recent seizure in October was of 30 gas-powered M4 lookalikes.
02:37:16.000They're designed to fire these quarter-inch plastic BBs, as you described, and that's their function.
02:37:24.000Well, when customs received these, One or two of their agents looked at them and decided that it was above their pay grade to make a call on these things.
02:37:35.000So they called in the ATF to look at them.
02:37:38.000So ATF took one or more of these things back to their laboratory in Maryland or wherever this thing is.
02:37:46.000Held them for five months, and then in early February, after I had mailed some protest letters to the ATF and Customs, I finally get a response back saying that I was not going to get these toy guns back.
02:38:37.000The other day, the port director from Customs in Seattle called all the local TV affiliates in and gave this news conference on air holding one of our guns.
02:38:51.000and And saying that this is a threat to the safety of America.
02:38:59.000And while he was talking and handling this gun of ours, this toy of ours, he was trying to stick the magazine into the mag well.
02:39:07.000And he had the magazine turn around backwards.
02:39:10.000He didn't even know which way the bloody magazine was turning.
02:39:15.000We're going to play a clip of this coming up.
02:39:17.000You've got the ATF agent putting on this big Hullabaloo, trying to scare everybody to set the precedent to ban something that isn't even a BB gun because it looks scary to them.
02:39:32.000My God, if this is allowed to stand, this is an incredible new precedent.
02:39:38.000You know, and this is a David and Goliath scenario where, you know, I could bankrupt myself fighting the federal government and still end up a loser here.
02:39:46.000But, you know, it's time for us to stir up the pot a little bit and kind of try to put the brakes on this behavior.
02:39:54.000We're going to play this video that's up on your website for ThePrisonPlanet.tv viewers and radio listeners.
02:40:02.000Give us your web address for folks that want to follow this case.
02:40:07.000The web address is airsoftoutletnw.com.
02:40:14.000So, AirsoftOutletNorthwest.com, just NW.
02:40:19.000Yeah, just NW, not the Northwest, just NW.
02:40:22.000Alright, we're going to play one of the myriad of newscasts trying to create a panic over the devilish plastic BB gun that is so scary looking.
02:41:18.000For the past seven years, Brad Martin and his son Ben say their family business in Cornelius has steadily grown as simulated combat gaming grows in popularity across the country.
02:41:28.000This is the contemporary version of Civil War reenactment.
02:41:32.000While they aim for authenticity in every piece of gear, the Martins didn't anticipate a seizure by customs and ATF agents in Tacoma as their latest shipment of toy guns arrived from Taiwan.
02:41:43.000Any kid, any parent, any adult going out of the house with this.
02:41:53.000ATF Special Agent Kelvin Crenshaw says not only is the shipment missing the orange tips required on all imported toy guns... With minimal work, it could be converted to a machine gun.
02:42:07.000To say these are readily convertible to machine guns is absolutely preposterous.
02:42:10.000The round wouldn't go into the barrel for one, and two, if the firing pin did strike the primer, the gun would basically blow up in your face.
02:42:16.000Also, the Martins say there are tens of thousands of replicas just like these sold in America already.
02:42:22.000The only reason they buy from Taiwan is because it's cheaper.
02:42:39.000And he's portrayed himself as a great hero.
02:42:43.000But ATF insists that it did the testing and determined that yes, these can be converted into military-grade weapons.
02:42:50.000The Martins requested to see the documentation of that and they were told that they'd have to file a freedom of information request with ATF.
02:42:57.000Now as for the orange chips, this one has one of the ones that came in from Taiwan.
02:43:01.000Didn't, but the Martins say that's happened before with their shipments from Taiwan and they just had to go up to Okay, and we have Brad Martin online with us.
02:43:17.000So, you've got an ATF officer in a fancy suit who can't even put the cartridge in it.
02:43:35.000He uses air to shoot plastic BBs and what's really happening, I saw this five years ago or so in England where they're trying to ban these over there.
02:43:43.000They don't like the gun culture growing because this is a gateway to real firearms.
02:43:48.000People are finding out how much fun it is to target shoot or to dress up in gear and you know go to the equivalent of paintball ranges.
02:43:57.000You know, run around with my children, uh, you know, in the backyard and shoot targets and shoot tin cans, and you learn how to be a good marksman, then they graduate to BB guns, then they graduate to real firearms, and to... This is incredible.
02:44:12.000This is lawlessness, and you told me off-air that you've talked to other ATF branches, and they're like, we can't believe this happened.
02:44:49.000After about three months of this seizure going on, I started writing letters and calling people.
02:44:54.000I talked to an agent back in Maryland, I believe it was, who was in the ATF Division of Firearms Importations.
02:45:05.000And I explained the situation to her, and she said, well, why did ATF take Airsoft?
02:45:11.000And I said, well, I guess because they can.
02:45:14.000And she said, well, ATF has no jurisdiction over Airsoft.
02:45:18.000And if you would like to, if you would give my telephone number, meaning her telephone number, to the local ATF people and tell them to call her, she would inform them that they have no jurisdiction over Airsoft.
02:45:32.000Now again, uh... I didn't dissuade them.
02:45:35.000Oh, that didn't dissuade them, so... No, no.
02:45:38.000So explain, who you separately talked to at ATF, who was... what her position is, and then what they said, because we want to write an article about this.
02:45:47.000Yeah, well, exactly, and I can provide you with a phone number at some future... I don't have it with me right here, but as I mentioned, after going through After calling the ATF back east and explaining my situation to about four or five people, I finally got to this agent in, as I mentioned, the Division of Firearms Importation.
02:46:11.000And I explained it to her, and she said, We have no jurisdiction over Airsoft.
02:47:35.000This is sold at Walmart, Academy, everywhere the exact same fake M16 plastic toy guns.
02:47:43.000People are running around with these having a great time and it's buoying the gun culture and I think this is an ATF case on purpose from the Obama administration.
02:47:53.000We confirmed in Austin they shut down a gun show with no law to set a national precedent and I believe they picked you as a small independent dealer to set the precedent.
02:48:10.000your website again for legal eagles, lawyers on the West Coast, other people that want to bring civil rights suits, commerce suits, robbery suits, criminal charges.
02:48:19.000We have a lot of experts out there that are listening that would want to email you advice.
02:48:26.000My website is www.airsoftoutletnw.com.
02:48:33.000Now, tell people, Brad Martin, when this first happened and any new developments because we're quite a few days into this and I guess they say, look, talk to the hand.
02:48:44.000You don't get paperwork, you don't get anything, we just rob you.
02:48:51.000Now, I spoke to an ATF agent up in Tacoma a week or ten days ago, and this guy had his head screwed on straight.
02:49:00.000I think there are some really good agents in the company, basically, but the anti-gun influence is so strong that I think these sensible guys get shouted down.
02:49:13.000But I was talking to him, and he said that basically Customs has me on a hit list now, but anytime one of my orders hits port, they're going to flag my order.
02:49:25.000They're going to take it for intensive examination.
02:49:28.000And right now, they have two more of my orders backed up in port for intensive examination.
02:50:30.000Head of Gun Owners of America, we're going to get, believe me, Jews for Preservation of Firearms, or the Gun Owners of America, is going to want to help you.
02:50:38.000We've got the ATF red-handed here in lawlessness, color of law, Shanghai-ing, free-booting, this is the same as just robbing a stagecoach.
02:50:49.000I mean, they are bandits here, and if the precedent gets set by customs and these guys, we're all in deep trouble.
02:50:55.000We've got to hang together, or we'll surely hang separate.
02:50:58.000One more segment, sir, stay right there.
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02:55:10.000Going back to this gentleman, Brad Martin, I mean, this is like more than Orwellian.
02:55:18.000The news, holding up a gun with a red tip, a little toy plastic machine gun, saying, oh my gosh, it's so scary, and an ATF guy will put his picture up there.
02:55:28.000You know, looking like he's in deep fear over all this.
02:55:31.000I mean, if they can get toy guns, nothing's safe.
02:56:54.000You know, it's like, since when is it a crime against a vendor who brings in a legal product and somebody somewhere, some wacko, decides that he's going to convert that legal product into something illegal, why does that make it the vendor's crime that he's brought in a legal product?
02:57:21.000I mean, it converts something that's air-powered and doesn't even have the mechanism to, you know, put in a cartridge that has powder that projects it?
02:57:31.000I mean, sure, if you went to a top machinist, maybe they could build something that would chamber a round, but then this is tin metal, it would blow up!
02:57:42.000And if a guy wanted an AR-15 or an M4, he could go to his local gun store and pay $1,000 and get a dependable platform instead of going to an airsoft store and paying probably around $500 and get a dependable platform instead of going to an airsoft store and paying probably around $500 for this product, spending all kinds of time and energy trying to convert this into a gun that's It's totally illogical.
02:58:10.000Do you agree with me though that they've been trying to kill the gun culture and that Airsoft is literally one of the, and I noticed this years ago, one of the key things getting people into the gun culture.
02:58:25.000I think they're scared of an armed electorate is what they're scared of.
02:58:29.000I tell you what, I know you've got to go, but we're going to break for one minute.
02:58:32.000Let's do five more so we can talk about this creeping totalitarianism with you, then it's open phones and news blitz for the rest of the final hour.
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03:00:24.000We are live, ladies and gentlemen, one hour into this Wednesday, 17th day of February, 2010.
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03:00:41.000Thank you for joining us for the next hour.
03:00:43.000Lord Christopher Monckton, the third Viscount of Monckton and Brinsley, A journalist, a researcher, a scientist, a consultant, one of the top advisors to Margaret Thatcher.
03:01:53.000So, uh, we're gonna go to break here in a moment, but for the next hour, Lord Christopher Monckton To chronicle and break down, as no one else can, the leading expert, in my educated opinion, on the full scope of this attempted revolution to bring society under neo-feudalistic serfdom.
03:02:13.000Well, Alex, what a wonderful introduction.
03:02:16.000I just can't wait to hear what I'm going to say.
03:02:21.000We've got about two and a half minutes before we go to break.
03:02:22.000Just give us a brief overview of what you're going to be covering.
03:02:26.000Well, I think the first thing we've got to do is to say that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, that's the UN's climate panel, which has produced four major reports on the climate saying we're all doomed, is now effectively dead.
03:02:39.000There have been so many revelations over recent weeks of its failure to do the science properly, of it deliberately including false and alarming data with the intention, as a declared intention, of influencing government.
03:03:04.000As you said in your introduction, the problem we've now got is that even though national governments are now beginning to realise they can't go on getting away with this because it isn't a vote winner, Local administrations still bullied by these hugely well-funded environmental lobby groups like Greenpeace, which, as far as I know, has a fleet of ships larger than the British Navy.
03:03:29.000Goodness knows where it gets the money from to run them, but I saw one of their huge ships parked up in Copenhagen with propaganda slogans painted all over it.
03:03:39.000These organizations are very active at local and state level, and what we're going to need to do eventually is, at government level, simply ban any spending on global warming-related matters, because this scare is now officially dead.
03:03:58.000I want you again today to address the criminal activities, criminal investigations, your continued challenge for Al Gore to debate you, I have it out of the Dallas Morning News today.
03:04:08.000The state of Texas is moving to block Austin and other cities that have literally been paid off by these organizations to seize the infrastructure and levy taxes.
03:04:20.000I mean, the $2.6 billion, and that's Austin Energy, is bigger per year over the three years than the entire current taxing system.
03:04:33.000That's right, it is outrageous what's going on, and the only way to do that is to stop it from the top down.
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03:08:41.000We're going to cover a whole host of issues as Lord Monckton briefs us on the open collapse of the carbon tax area of the fake green movement.
03:08:52.000But first, sir, And of course they're regrouping, we'll talk about that.
03:08:56.000Tell us about the success of your trip in Australia.
03:08:59.000I, every day, tuned in to video clips of you on radio and TV, in debates, packed houses everywhere, hands down, trouncing the opposition, and you could see in their eyes, no longer that arrogant false aplomb, that chutzpah, now they look like beaten men.
03:09:26.000Nobody there had heard of me, but there was a really good PR guy who came to see me the day I landed.
03:09:31.000He said, right, we've laid on a program for you to start going into studios.
03:09:35.000The moment that began, Then I was rushing from studio to studio, got massive coverage on all the major channels, all the major newspapers, even the left-wing ones couldn't resist having a go at me, as it were.
03:09:47.000Then, on our first speaker meeting, which was in the largest ballroom in Sydney, which seats a thousand people, we were absolutely full.
03:09:57.000People had began queuing at 10 in the morning for a meeting that began at 5.30 in the afternoon.
03:10:04.000And they were queuing down three floors of the hotel, right round the grand staircase, and out into the street outside.
03:10:10.000We had to turn several hundred people away, unfortunately.
03:10:14.000Absolutely extraordinary interest, and this happened all over Australia.
03:10:19.000We went to the working class district of Newcastle in the Hunter Valley, which is the coal mining area, and we had a small room booked in the town hall.
03:10:28.000We had to abandon that and go into the main town hall building itself, which seats a thousand.
03:10:33.000Then we had to open the gallery, which seats another few hundred, and even then we had to turn people away.
03:10:53.000Then we went up to Noosa, where the Deputy Leader of the Opposition in Parliament turned up to hear me, and he ended up outside, not being able to get in, along with 250 people, because that too was packed out.
03:11:05.000So I had an impromptu meeting at the car park to cope with them.
03:11:08.000Then we went down to Melbourne, same thing, absolutely packed out, a ballroom seating a thousand, absolutely full.
03:11:15.000Then we went up to Canberra and the press club could only seat 300 and we turned at least as many as that away.
03:11:22.000Then we went down to Adelaide, same thing happened there.
03:11:25.000We had an overflow room, that was full as well.
03:11:29.000Then we went up to Perth, where they had to lay on not only an overflow room, but an overflow meeting the following day, because 2,000 people wanted to hear me speak.
03:11:40.000And as we went around Australia, the crowds got bigger and also got younger, more and more younger people beginning to come to hear the truth about the climate.
03:11:49.000So a quite extraordinary, overwhelming response, as a result of which I got to meet the leader of the opposition, Tony Abbott, who, if you remember, won office as leader of the opposition over Malcolm Turnbull, his rival, who had previously supported Australia's attempt to have a carbon trading sort who had previously supported Australia's attempt to have a carbon trading sort of cap-and-tack scheme like that which the Democrats in And Turnbull was defeated by his own party.
03:12:15.000And Tony Abbott, who is sceptical about climate change, has taken over the first politician to win office because he doesn't believe this.
03:12:24.000So, it was a very good time we had in Australia, Um, very, very receptive audiences, 500 mentions of the tour in the media, both print and electronic, uh, and, uh, according to the people who invited me there, two retired engineers from, from Newspaper who organized the whole thing and paid for it out of their own pockets, fortunately.
03:12:45.000And we made the money back by the huge crowds that turned up all paying their $20 to hear me talk.
03:12:59.000Not because I'm a brilliant speaker, but because people were absolutely desperate to hear the other side of the story, which they couldn't get in the mainstream news media.
03:13:10.000Because the mainstream news media won't even give you the facts.
03:13:16.000That global warming over the last 15 years hasn't been happening in any statistically significant sense.
03:13:23.000That has now, at last, been publicly admitted by Phil Jones, who's the head of the now deposed and disgraced head of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.
03:13:35.000He's been chucked out because he was caught trying to oppress and tamper with and hide and even destroy scientific data.
03:13:44.000And the Climategate emails that got released by a whistleblower that have been all round the web did for him.
03:13:50.000But he was then interviewed by a sympathetic BBC interviewer who nevertheless Got in touch with me first and said, what questions should I ask?
03:13:58.000And I said, one thing you should ask is asking whether there has been any statistically significant global warming for the last 15 years.
03:14:05.000And Phil Jones, albeit through gritted teeth, had to admit what he had never before ever publicly said, that yes, I've been right all along.
03:14:14.000There hasn't been any statistically significant global warming for 15 long years, a decade and a half.
03:14:22.000I mean, that is the most extraordinary admission by somebody who had been pushing out the official line of the rest of us recent decade has been the warmest on the record.
03:14:31.000Yes, it has, but we still haven't had any significant warming for 15 years.
03:14:37.000Now they're beginning to have to tell us the truth, and the media are beginning to have to print the truth, having concealed it from their own readers for a long time.
03:14:47.000And I think that's the value of the Australian tour.
03:14:50.000It made the Australian media and many others around the world realize that by deliberately suppressing The fact that they don't happen to fit their chosen storyline about the alarming, dreadful, supposed global warming problem, they are not doing their readers any favour.
03:15:07.000They've now got to start at least giving the facts, whatever opinions they may like to have, is another matter.
03:15:11.000But they must now do their job and give us the proper, unbiased, scientific facts.
03:15:18.000Because if they don't, Then, as I said many times, because everywhere I went I was asked this question, what about the mainstream media?
03:15:26.000If they go on refusing to give you the facts, and you have to turn to Alex Jones and the electronic, you know, the radio shock jock and the internet to get your news because the mainstream television and newspapers won't give you the facts, Then the mainstream television and newspapers will lose audiences and they will go bust one by one and deservedly so.
03:15:53.000I mean, the points you make raise so many other issues, but the bottom line is you are a brilliant speaker because you've done the research.
03:16:05.000You recognize more than 20 years ago the danger of this criminal Enterprise, this criminal cult.
03:16:13.000You know, we have the head climatologist for NASA saying, destroy industrialized society.
03:16:16.000We have Maurice Strong saying, destroy industrialized society.
03:16:21.000And just like in Russia or in Nazi Germany, when you suppress the truth, it explodes with even more force.
03:16:29.000But expanding on that, we see the global battle against this fraud uh... every time we do stand up and take action we have success and and and nothing succeeds like success and so now that we have lost uh... this feeling of helplessness and we now have the true spirit of empowerment the route is
03:16:54.000Uh, intensifying, and they've recognized that they're bald-faced, denying, and stonewalling, and ignoring Climategate for two weeks entirely, and Newsweek saying it's a conspiracy theory, Climategate didn't even happen.
03:17:07.000This is only further destroying them, Lord Monckton, as you know.
03:17:11.000So, how do you see this shaking out now?
03:17:28.000They're going to want to make sure that having invested all this time and effort, and of course it's not their money they've spent, it's your money they've spent, it's the taxpayers' money they've spent on furthering this scare.
03:17:40.000Of course they're going to want to get their dividend in the way of closing down the Western economy, but I don't think that's now going to happen.
03:17:48.000I think that the financial recession hasn't helped them.
03:17:51.000It began really, the rot, when the financial recession set in and people began thinking, you know, do we really believe this climate stuff because it's going to be very expensive if we do.
03:18:02.000And then came climate change, then came the cold northern hemisphere, winter.
03:18:06.000In fact, interestingly, the January temperatures worldwide were the highest Since satellite records began 32 years ago, because there's an El Nino going on, so sea temperatures are very much higher than they would normally be.
03:18:22.000And interestingly, we think that that may be caused by undersea volcanic activity in the Eastern Pacific.
03:18:28.000Nothing whatever to do with global warming caused by us.
03:18:32.000So, gradually all these facts about how the climate really works are beginning to come out, and the media can no longer suppress them.
03:18:41.000And so what I think the usual suspects are going to do now is they're going to realise that trying to maintain these endless scare stories about the climate when the climate simply isn't warming as they had predicted that it would is not going to work.
03:18:59.000So what they're going to do instead, I think, is to go quiet for a bit.
03:19:04.000and they'll beaver away at local level rather than at national level, because at national level we are watching and we will stop them.
03:19:13.000You've got wonderful organisations like Fox News.
03:19:18.000It's done well because it does give you, on this and on so many other subjects, the fact that the mainstream news media otherwise wouldn't give because they've become so politicised.
03:19:28.000They're all effectively Marxist, or totalitarian anyway, in the way they look at things.
03:19:34.000And Fox News is simply saying, well, we will give the facts.
03:19:37.000And so half, or just about half now, of the entire television news audience watches Fox News, because otherwise it won't get the facts.
03:19:48.000They've just been reading, for instance, a remarkably stupid piece in the Salt Lake Tribute, which is an extreme left-wing paper, which absolutely hates the administration there, which has, as you may know, passed a resolution saying global warming is nonsense and we're not going to spend any more money on it.
03:20:07.000And that the Utah State Legislature has been the first to break ranks and say we're not having any more of this nonsense.
03:20:15.000And the local newspaper is absolutely furious.
03:20:17.000And so it rang up a scientist and got a quote, every single point of which was a lie.
03:20:24.000So I wrote to the reporter concerned and said, what on earth do you think you're doing?
03:20:28.000Why don't you ask this so-called scientist whether he has qualifications in climatology, paleoclimatology, physics, chemistry, mathematics.
03:20:40.000And various other subjects on which he was claiming to be an authority because the statements he made, every single one of which was wrong, it turned out he wasn't any kind of climate scientist at all.
03:20:50.000And this is the trouble, they just go to the people they know will sing the song they want to hear, rather than going to the people who actually know what the truth is.
03:20:59.000And these local news media and these local administrations are definitely a pain and they're going to have to be dealt with and dealt with very firmly.
03:21:07.000The way we've done this in the past in the United Kingdom, where you get a tough-minded, conservatively-minded government in office, is actually to circumscribe their powers so that they are forbidden to spend money on things like global warming.
03:21:22.000You have to just tell them that is outwith their powers to do that.
03:21:26.000And if you do that, I know it's harder in the States to do that than it is in the UK, but you can nevertheless constrain quite a bit what they spend the money on.
03:21:34.000And the other thing is that now that the people...
03:21:37.000are beginning to realize what rubbish this all is, and how much it's going to cost them.
03:21:43.000And in particular, that it's going to cost working people, because they spend a bigger proportion on electricity and gasoline than everybody else.
03:21:51.000They are the ones that are going to get hurt by this.
03:21:54.000It doesn't matter what Henry Waxman or Ed Markey say about how they're going to compensate them.
03:21:59.000The fact is, if they compensate them, then their bill won't make any difference to carbon emissions.
03:22:04.000If they don't compensate them, then it's their own voters that are going to lose.
03:22:11.000Any kind of emissions trading scheme, cap and trade, call it what you like, is now doomed.
03:22:15.000And I think there's no way they'll get that through the Senate.
03:22:19.000And I don't think the likes of Schwarzenegger and all those characters in California are going to get away with doing what they're doing, which is say, we're going to impose, at state level, taxes that are no longer going to be imposed at federal level.
03:22:31.000If they try that, Then people will leave and already there's a kind of wagon train no longer heading west heading east back out of California with businesses getting out of California because California hates business and in the end the governor is going to run out of money because he'd have driven all the businesses away that used to pay the taxes that kept him in clover.
03:22:55.000And we'll learn in the end that they can't get away with this, that the people will vote with their feet and get out of local administrations or state administrations that try to impose extra global warming taxes now that we know that global warming, as Henry Ford might have put it, is bunk.
03:23:12.000Yes, and continuing along that line, and understanding that they're going to come back at us, The state of Texas has announced they are moving to pass laws against cities because you can't have cities operating outside state laws.
03:23:29.000The cities and counties are chartered by the state and under its constitution.
03:23:36.000And we have everybody, literally millions, moving every few years out of California, mainly to Texas.
03:23:43.000That's why the UN lobbyists are here in Austin.
03:24:44.000It's a boondoggle to their friends and Al Gore and others that own large stakes in the select green companies that the counties, cities, and states are forced, with the federal money, to purchase these systems from.
03:24:59.000That's exactly right, and of course what you're talking about there, that two jobs destroyed for every one created, that's what's known as the Friedman Factor.
03:25:10.000Thank you for pointing out that if the state, the taxpayer, is made to pay to create a job, every job that's created will destroy two jobs in the private sector.
03:25:20.000And that's why you have to keep the public sector small.
03:25:23.000And, of course, this green jobs argument is just another socialistic or communistic or totalitarian way of expanding the state-funded, publicly funded jobs.
03:25:37.000And destroying the private sector as they go.
03:25:40.000And of course Democrats are always willing to do that, because they know that most corporations don't vote Democrat, they don't like to contribute to the Democrat, and therefore they would rather shut down corporate America, because they think they will gain political advantage by doing it.
03:25:57.000They don't care if they drive your nation backwards.
03:26:00.000And of course, green jobs, as I said in front of the Energy and Commerce Committee of Congress and the Ways and Means Committee, I said the same for both the parties.
03:26:10.000If you want to create unemployment, the fastest way to do it is for taxpayers to be made to subsidize the boondoggles, as you have so rightly called them.
03:26:20.000There is no economic basis for wind farms, nor is there an environmental basis.
03:26:26.000But it gives incredible power to the government to give their friends and families and others the money, and we have Obama We have Pachari, for those that don't know, the former or current head of the IPCC and others all openly making Al Gore masses of money off of this and specifically not only that Nobel Prize winning paper On the fact that government destroys jobs for every job it creates, it kills at least two.
03:26:53.000We know in Spain, this is in Bloomberg, their own government admits every green job destroyed two jobs and cost additional money on top of that And we have England shutting down its steelworks, paying to move it to Pachari's own steelworks that he owns.
03:27:14.000This is as criminal as a mugger bashing an old woman's head in with a hammer and robbing her.
03:27:21.000This is as illegal as a serial killer kidnapping children.
03:27:25.000I mean, this is... If you take that red car steelworks thing, there was a report about that at last.
03:27:31.000On BBC television today they've been almost sullenly silent about it and they mentioned it today and did they mention that this was because Europe has an emissions trading scheme and carbon cap and trade and India doesn't and that's why the Indian Steelworks that owns the red car steelworks is moving it to India and that Indian Steelworks is the one that employs Pachauri.
03:28:04.000It was that we've got cap and trade and India hasn't.
03:28:08.000And our jobs are being exported to India where precisely the same steelwork is going to be built, employing precisely the same number of people.
03:28:16.000So there will be absolutely no benefit to the planet whatsoever, but quite unnecessarily we will have destroyed 1,700 British jobs and none of the major political parties has said said sorry to these hard-working steel workers in red car who have lost their jobs.
03:29:08.000This is a plan to de-industrialize the West.
03:29:12.000All he's doing is quoting from the UN.
03:29:15.000Quoting from the very people that set this up.
03:29:19.000Quoting from Maurice Strong, who said 25 years ago that he was setting up the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as an intergovernmental rather than a scientific panel, precisely so that it could be transmogrified into a world government one day.
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03:33:33.000Lord Monckton is a champion of freedom who's been fighting these people for more than two decades, and now it is paying off big time because of his steadfastness, his dogged determination, and many others.
03:33:45.000Now, sir, you got cut off by the break.
03:33:48.000You were getting into all these world leaders calling for global governance and saying the keystone The cornerstone of this is the phony environmental movement.
03:34:03.000These people have been using the environmental movement as a way of advancing political objectives that have nothing whatsoever to do with the environment.
03:34:16.000We're dealing with A Marxist who piled out of the Berlin Wall and into the environmental movement, and a very great friend of ours, Eric Ellington, who was one of the founders of Greenpeace, who sadly died just two days ago.
03:34:30.000He left Greenpeace shortly after he founded it, because so many of these people had come in and taken the organisation over.
03:34:39.000For purposes that had nothing whatever to do with protecting the environment and were all about achieving political objectives that were bitterly and wickedly hostile to the interests of the West.
03:34:54.000So this has really been a very, very sad business that the genuine environmental movement has been almost entirely captured now by people who hate the West And who hate success, who hate industry, who hate humanity, who rightly said before the break, they're there to try to get humanity to be killed in its billions.
03:35:19.000They would like to reduce the population, some of them have said, to just 1 billion, there's a 7 billion it's coming up to at the moment.
03:35:25.000They say that any more than that and we're encroaching too much on the planet.
03:35:29.000And they're prepared to use the most draconian methods, including starvation, to achieve their end.
03:35:36.000And that, of course, is what has happened as a direct result of the global warming scare.
03:35:41.000Because there are millions starving in the third world now.
03:35:45.000Millions more than would otherwise have been starving.
03:35:48.000Because the biofuel scam into which all the foolish governments of the world gallop in the name of saving the planet.
03:35:55.000has taken millions of acres of agricultural land out of growing food for people who needed it, and now it's growing biofuels for clunkers that don't, making Al Gore and various absolute bankers very, very rich.
03:37:04.000And then secondarily, giant Events have taken place, each one bigger than the last, of new frauds, new cooking the books and the thermostat records.
03:37:18.000I know you know about that, but can you chronicle some of the Glacier Gates and other things that are coming out now on a daily basis?
03:37:25.000The Met Office... Well, it is an absolutely extraordinary story, what we're getting.
03:37:30.000And let's just look at the latest of them, which you probably haven't even heard of yourself because it's so new.
03:37:37.000The UN Climate Panel has underestimated the growth in Antarctic sea ice over the last 30 years by 50%.
03:37:48.000They've been concentrating on saying, oh, but look how the Arctic sea ice has been diminishing.
03:37:53.000Well, it has, but the Antarctic sea ice has been increasing almost as much.
03:38:10.000Yes, I mean, this is yet another error that's been found.
03:38:14.000And you'll find a very good, detailed explanation of this at whatsupwiththat.com, which I expect you know quite well.
03:38:22.000It's a very good website by Anthony Watts.
03:38:24.000W-A-T-T-S, up with that, or one word, dot com.
03:38:27.000And his lead story at the moment is on what he calls IPCC gate du jour, Antarctic sea ice increase underestimated by 50%.
03:38:36.000He's got the graph, he's shown you how they've bent it, he's got a detailed description of what they did and how they went about it, and how dishonest it is, because of course, as Arctic sea ice extent has declined, Antarctic sea ice has increased to match it, and so global sea ice extent hasn't changed at all.
03:38:54.000You'd not know that if you read the media, but let's just go through Some of the other errors that have come to light will start with the one that I spotted when the 2007 Fourth Assessment Report of the UN Climate Panel, the IPCC, came out.
03:39:08.000Now that, that they've done four of these big assessment reports, that's the most recent one.
03:39:13.000On the day it came out, I saw that they, the bureaucrats, had put in a graph, a table of figures rather, that hadn't been in the original document.
03:39:24.000And so I protested and said, by the way, this doesn't even add up to within a factor of two of the total you've put at the bottom of this new table.
03:39:32.000And also, you've multiplied by ten the observed contributions to sea level rise of not only the Greenland, but also the Antarctic land-based ice sheet.
03:40:03.000I mean, take Glacier Gate from the Himalayas.
03:40:06.000That's right, and they didn't bother to talk to Professor Pat of the Indian Geological Survey, who's kept me briefed on the Himalayan glaciers for years.
03:40:24.000And he has said all along, and he's now been proven right, that there's absolutely no basis for the idea that all that ice would be gone in 25 years.
03:40:31.000He says there's no danger of it going anywhere.
03:40:33.000And we also know that the lead author of the chapter of the IPCC's report that said this was going to disappear in 25 years, the Somalianites, he said that he knew that figure was wrong, but he left it in there because he wanted to influence government.
03:40:49.000In other words, it's yet another deliberate lie.
03:40:53.000It's like Al Gore saying sea levels are going to rise imminently by 20 feet.
03:40:58.000And we know he knows that's a lie because he buys himself a condo feet from the ocean at Fisherman's Wharf the same year he's making the film in which he tells the lie.
03:41:08.000It's that kind of thing where we're now catching them out not only telling the lies but pretty much admitting that they're lying deliberately for the sake of exerting a political influence on government rather than just reporting the science correctly.
03:41:26.000I mean, if you look at the other ones, we've had African agriculture was going to be destroyed by climate change.
03:41:33.000They've now had to admit that, in fact, even two or three Celsius of warming, which we aren't going to see, but even if we did, it would be highly beneficial to African agriculture.
03:41:42.000It would lead to a further... Schwarzenegger says they're going to lose... Schwarzenegger says they're going to lose all the grapes for wine in California.
03:41:53.000Well, actually, they are because they've lost them to frost a couple of years running.
03:41:56.000They've had exceptional frost in California.
03:41:58.000It's been very bad for all the grapes and the fruit crops generally down there.
03:42:02.000The orange crops have been damaged as well.
03:42:04.000You know, the citrus crops had a hard time there.
03:42:06.000But that's because of global cooling, not because of global warming.
03:42:09.000Then we had the story about the Amazon rainforest, 40%.
03:42:13.000They said we're going to disappear because of global warming.
03:42:16.000That turned out to be made up by a campaigner for the Worldwide Fund for Nature, another of the wretched environmental groups run by communists, funded by communist governments overseas.
03:42:28.000They have sovereign wealth the like of which you and I will never see.
03:42:33.000Then we had them saying that 66% of Holland would be underwater when in fact only 26% of it is below sea level.
03:42:42.000Then they said that there was going to be damage from extreme weather events.
03:42:46.000Now they've had to admit that there's no basis for that whatsoever.
03:42:49.000Then they said there were going to be more hurricanes because of global warming.
03:42:52.000And they were warned by the resignation of one of the lead authors of that chapter that they mustn't go on saying that.
03:43:01.000Now that's been turned out to have been written by a journalist from a Marxist newspaper in Britain, not by a scientist.
03:43:08.000And day after day, new revelations come out.
03:43:12.000I confronted Pachauri with another one of these in Copenhagen, because the headline graph in the entire 2007 assessment report of the UN was a graph showing that the rate of increase in temperatures has itself been accelerating over the last 150 years, with the implication stated in the report in three different places, that it was we who had caused this acceleration in warming.
03:43:36.000In fact, there hasn't been an acceleration of the warming rate.
03:43:42.000They used a statistical technique that I was taught not to use in Statistics 101.
03:43:48.000They had no basis for using this cheap trick, which conceals the fact that there's been no significant increase in temperature whatsoever, that the rate of warming that we saw over the last 30 years is exactly consistent with rates of warming we've seen between 1860 and 1880 and again between 1910.
03:44:41.000We have thousands of peer-reviewed studies, but then all those studies are based on UN-collected and private environmental group-collected data that every time you spot-check it is a premeditated fraud, not an error, and they've spent hundreds of billions globally, not an error, and they've spent hundreds of billions globally, as you know, pushing this, Lord Moncton.
03:45:15.000I think probably all we need to do is to pick on one or two who have plainly overstepped the line.
03:45:20.000Because remember that fraud, like any serious imprisonable criminal offense, is one which has, quite rightly, a very high standard of proof.
03:45:32.000You have to be able to prove That a person committing the fraud was either grossly negligent and therefore looked the other way when he was cheating people or was deliberately cheating them.
03:45:45.000And unless you can prove one of those two things, and prove that what he did involved other people in losses, and prove that what he did involved him in gaining at their expense.
03:45:55.000If you can't prove all that, you can't prove a fraud.
03:45:58.000So what I would do is I would pick out, for instance, Pattari.
03:46:03.000Now, he is a trustee of a charity in the United Kingdom called TERI-Europe.
03:46:10.000That's the Tatar Industries Energy Research Institute for Europe.
03:46:14.000Now, Tatar Industries, just to get this clear, they are the people who We've closed down the steelworks at Redcar, costing 1,700 of our workers their jobs over the next three months.
03:46:29.000They have a charity in the United Kingdom called TERI-Europe.
03:46:34.000It is registered with our Charity Commission, which requires it to file accurate accounts every year.
03:46:41.000Now, for the last three years, it hasn't filed any accounts because it has made declarations to the Charity Commission That it received in each of those years less than £10,000 in income.
03:46:52.000However, I found on a government website a statement saying that that particular charity had been paid £30,000 in just one of those three years in income to do a particular job for the government and that income was not disclosed to the charity public.
03:47:11.000And on further investigation, it turns out that several hundred thousand pounds of income each year have not been declared.
03:47:18.000And they've therefore got away with hiding from the taxpayers where it is that they're getting their money from.
03:47:24.000They're getting it, in fact, largely from British government taxpayer sources.
03:47:27.000So, sir, you're saying then it's like getting Al Capone on tax evasion.
03:47:33.000Let me throw out a few other names then.
03:47:36.000First of all, that means Pachauri, whose job as a trustee is to file accurate accounts, is now going to face criminal prosecution in the United Kingdom for false accounting, which is a serious, imprisonable criminal offense.
03:47:52.000He has been dodging his obligation as a trustee, and two English trustees have now got themselves reclassified as not being trustees, so as to leave him alone in the fray.
03:48:03.000And they, the police, are now going to go after them too for trying to get themselves reclassified as not being trustees.
03:48:09.000It's a very, very murky business, this.
03:48:11.000And what we're now doing is we're looking at the financial vested interest of several of the scientists and algor-types and businessmen and politicians who are advocating this stuff.
03:48:24.000And we're finding wherever we look that they have Um, financial links with organized crime, financial links with huge corporations that are making money out of carbon trading and banks and so forth.
03:48:38.000Al Gore was on the board of Lehman Brothers.
03:48:40.000They were trying to corner the market in carbon trading.
03:48:44.000They were so busy doing that they didn't look to their main business and they deservedly went bust.
03:48:49.000But these people, there are links everywhere to huge financial vested interests and a great deal of criminal activity.
03:48:58.000If you look, for instance, at the European carbon trading scheme that's been running for several years, a recent report by the European Court of Auditors shows that 90% of all transactions Incredible!
03:49:10.000on the European carbon market are fraudulent transactions.
03:49:13.000Now, I knew this would happen because it's blindingly obvious.
03:49:17.000If you set up a carbon trading scheme, then not only both parties do any carbon trading transaction, but also the regulators have a joint vested interest in exaggerating the scale and quantity of the transaction.
03:49:34.000The whole thing from top to bottom is a serious financial fraud.
03:49:39.000Okay, so we go after Pachari, we go after Gore.
03:49:41.000What about somebody like Phil Jones, who gets all these millions of dollars or pounds in research funding, the head facility, and we have the emails where he's hiding the decline?
03:49:51.000I mean, that's... Well, the first thing that happened there is that the Information Commissioner's Office, which I asked to look into Jones' activities, first of all, failed to reply to my letter at all.
03:50:02.000I'm going to have to sue them to make them do their job and answer my letter.
03:50:06.000Um, but they then issued a public statement saying that the law prevented them from prosecuting Jones because he would have had to have been done within six months of the offence first being drawn to their attention.
03:50:17.000Well, in fact, they got the law wrong, but they still decided they're not going to do anything about it.
03:50:23.000And I think what we're going to find Is that the prosecuting authorities, which are of course directed by exactly the same government that are themselves profiting by this fraud, are going to be told by those governments to look the other way.
03:50:37.000However, in England and Wales, and I think in some states of the US too, the individual citizen has a right to prosecute if the state fails to do so.
03:50:48.000I think that what's now going to happen is that some of these crooks are going to be prosecuted by individuals where the state won't do its job.
03:50:54.000Okay, Lord Monckton, we've got one more quick segment.
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03:54:34.000Rupert Murdoch, other than Fox, on his entertainment shows, brags that they implant messages about the green economy and global warming being real.
03:54:43.000So you say You say that we're winning this, and I agree with you.
03:54:47.000My problem is, if we don't keep the battle hot and real and focused, it'll just kind of fade away, and they'll just regroup and come back.
03:54:55.000But how do you see this successfully ending?
03:54:58.000There's always a danger of that, but I think we can now hope that because their activities have actually been criminal, we can just land one or two prosecutions.
03:55:09.000Pachauri, for instance, is going to be prosecuted.
03:55:13.000Because the accounts were plainly not correctly filed.
03:55:17.000He plainly knew as a trustee that he had a job to make sure the accounts were right.
03:55:23.000He was, at best, negligent, at worst, deliberately fraudulent.
03:55:26.000Either way, it's a serious, imprisonable criminal offence, and he is going to be prosecuted, even if I have to prosecute him myself.
03:55:34.000And I know the public authorities here, because there's so much in the pockets of the governing class, won't lift a finger against any of these people, however much they commit fraud.
03:55:43.000But I am not going to tolerate it, and there are many others here who are not going to tolerate it.
03:55:48.000So whether they like it or not, these people who have lorded it over, And have corruptly taken money from the pockets of the poor to pay for their own thousand dollar suits, which is what Pachauri usually wears, and their lavish lifestyles in the smartest suburbs of Delhi.
03:56:06.000That is now going to come to an end and the lifestyle of Pachauri is going to be, for a very long time, behind bars in a smelly Indian jail for the fraud in three And to interrupt everything you've predicted has come true so far.
03:56:24.000I mean, I really hope this is going to happen.
03:56:56.000Indeed, under the RICO statute of the United States, some of these environmental groups could be shut down because they've been lying systematically for years and years and years.
03:57:10.000They have indeed, and they've been endangering people by stopping new coal-fired power stations from being built, by stopping new nuclear power stations from being built, by protesting every time people wanted a new power station.
03:57:32.000And I think that one or two of those people taken to court and prosecuted For criminal fraud by workers who've lost their jobs in that aluminum smelter that closed down recently in the States because it could no longer buy electricity because the grid is running out.
03:57:47.000Those people have a good case to take these greenies to court.
03:57:51.000And all you've got to do is land a couple of them in prison and the rest will run for cover.
03:57:56.000And more importantly, the people who are now credulously paying the money will stop paying the money because they are just fraudsters.
03:58:04.000So you're saying, Lord Monckton, we haven't even begun to see the routing of these people, because they were so bold, they've committed so many crimes, that this could discredit collectivism even worse than it did in the Soviet Union?
03:58:19.000I think that's exactly what's going to happen.
03:58:20.000I think the left, by nailing their colors to the mast of this particular rapidly sinking ship, Thank you for listening to GCN.
03:58:28.000they're not going to find it easy to free themselves from their entanglement with the top hamper of this sinking ship.