In this episode of Conspiracy Theories, Alex Jones is joined by Alex Newman of JBS to discuss the latest in the conspiracy to smear Alex as a terrorist and a terrorist sympathizer. Also, Fox News and the mainstream media are out to get Alex Jones and make him look like a terrorist.
00:02:11.000So, we're going to be covering all of this.
00:02:14.000Also, I've mentioned it, but I want to get into it briefly again and explain why this is happening into the next phase.
00:02:22.000Fox News Trolls InfoWars Comments reports Alex Jones to authorities, writes two front page articles on FoxNews.com yesterday, saying that I am a terrorist, basically.
00:02:37.000And that we're calling for violence and that we're associated with commenters that are doing it.
00:02:42.000Well, Paul Watson in about five minutes found Fox News correspondents calling for Obama to be killed.
00:02:50.000Found people all over their articles and comments calling for Obama to be killed, something we're saying we're against.
00:02:57.000And I've noticed Glenn Beck's been saying 9-11 truthers are going to try to kill the President.
00:03:04.000I know he copies my show and twists everything we do.
00:03:07.000And I know that from inside Fox, because we have freedom lovers everywhere.
00:03:15.000But now it's clear they're trying to set me up while they themselves push the violence.
00:03:22.000So this is really going to a whole nother level.
00:03:25.000With CNN doing investigations on me, supposedly creating some attack piece that was going to air Friday and then last night, with all these other big national publications attacking us 24-7, this is very, very, very serious what's going on.
00:03:41.000So we're going to be breaking all of that down as well.
00:03:45.000The headline up at PrisonPlanet.com, perhaps Fox should check into its own website for violent comments.
00:03:52.000And Derek Einkauf, one of the sales guys, he went and looked on Fox site and found even more death threats and violence.
00:03:59.000And then he was on there today saying, look, you shouldn't call for violence.
00:04:02.000And they said, look, we'll kill you too.
00:04:06.000That's kind of like Mike Reagan could say, kill all 9-11 truthers, kill Mark Dice, I'll pay for the bullets, I'll meet you.
00:04:17.000We're getting together a bunch of screenshots to link up in the article.
00:04:26.000And Watson's changed the headline at my suggestion.
00:04:28.000Fox News calls for Obama to be killed while framing Alex Jones for instigating violence.
00:04:34.000And look, I'm not looking to fight with the controlled corporate press.
00:04:37.000When they write two big articles, put it in the terror section, and basically say I'm inciting terrorism, and then meanwhile they're the ones actually doing it, this is just too rich.
00:08:39.000Here is the indictment of the Hatari militia in Michigan.
00:08:44.000Looks like there were only really seven members of this, most of them family members.
00:08:49.000Their brother has been on CNN, who lives in San Antonio, Texas, south of where I sit, saying, look, he made a board game about fighting different enemies.
00:08:58.000They did all sorts of different scenarios.
00:09:01.000And it's the same thing as when the Military trains with the Boy Scouts to quote, take on disgruntled veterans.
00:09:08.000New York Times, here's that article, Scouts train to fight terrorists and more.
00:09:11.000First line, taking out a disgruntled Iraq war veteran.
00:09:16.000That'd be like saying the Boy Scouts should be charged, the Explorer Scouts, for trying to kill veterans.
00:09:24.000And I've seen this over and over again.
00:09:26.000This is how the feds have always been able to set people up.
00:09:32.000I've seen it over and over and over again.
00:09:34.000In Texas, in Michigan, in Florida, in Alabama, in California, in Nevada, in Arizona, in Oregon, in Washington State.
00:09:45.000They give their informants and agents.
00:09:47.000And they go in and say, we ought to do a drill in case the local police get taken over by the UN.
00:09:53.000We ought to go scout out the police department.
00:09:56.000And then they go and they take video of it and they come back and have a meeting and the Fed generally is the leader of the group by then because he's buying them guns and food and you know they love him and it may take him two, three years to get their trust and boy they just love Bubba or whatever his name is.
00:10:12.000He's really a Southern Poverty Law Center trainee or he's an FBI agent.
00:10:18.000And then he says, we need to train to look at how we'd run an ambush like in the movie Red Dawn.
00:10:27.000We act like a car's broke down and when the cop pulls up, we kill him.
00:10:43.000Tell me how you would do that in this simulation.
00:10:46.000It's just a simulation, mind you, and they're recording the whole thing.
00:10:51.000And then one of the younger ones says, yeah, and then when the feds come to be part of the funeral, we'd have IEDs out there and we'd blow them up.
00:11:16.000Monday, I told you again, Tuesday, and then the Wall Street Journal, I hadn't read it until last night, came out and said, yeah, there was an informant and someone else in the group who's been arrested, but they're going to let him go.
00:12:41.000They said they had basically a staged arrest of one of their operatives inside.
00:12:48.000Now, we'll see if I'm right about this, but I mean, I had Pale Horse on, Sickles, in August of 17th going, if you're not a fed, somebody's handling you and telling you to dress like that and use a voice changer.
00:13:03.000This comes right out of the ADL, what you're doing.
00:13:21.000So there's an FBI agent, there's an informant, and there's someone inside the group that's working with them as an informant and they're going to be let go.
00:13:31.000Is it the guy not in a jail uniform here?
00:14:00.000Now, looking at this, when he looking at this, when he was on the show, I said, they're going to try to get you to drill to case out a police station.
00:14:25.000And And they're going to try to set you up that you're planning to attack police stations.
00:14:29.000Because they want to get the cops all hating militia, or anyone that's into the Second Amendment or Tea Parties.
00:14:36.000So they always try to get militia to target police stations.
00:14:40.000They try to get the black group, the young Christians, down in Florida to do it.
00:15:03.000Groups who are weak-minded, who can then be tricked into wargaming, who can be tricked into scenarios so the feds can sell it as if it was a real attack plan.
00:15:14.000Now of course it's coming out it wasn't a real attack plan, but it's like every other case.
00:15:18.000You'll hear about it for a month and then a month later all the information comes out, but it's even coming out within a few days this time, that it wasn't real.
00:15:26.000It was in their heads and seen as part of a wargaming scenario.
00:15:33.000And that the date they had to go down to City Hall was for a protest, not for a plan to kill police officers.
00:15:42.000And this coincides with all of this demonization in the media of patriots, of conservatives, of libertarians, of Tea Parties.
00:15:51.000As the government's done all these illegal unconstitutional things, as people are getting angry,
00:15:57.000with the government, and rightfully so, and politically so, they want to now stage more violent attacks and more fake arrests to kind of prep people's minds for spectacular attacks mixed in with some smaller attacks in the next few months as a pretext to fully roll out homeland security against the American people.
00:16:26.000Undercover agent, witness provided intelligence on alleged Christian militia member.
00:16:30.000And it says it was another militia that initially reported.
00:16:35.000Some of the big militias in Michigan are completely fed, Ron.
00:16:38.000And then again, they go out and interface and decide, run by agents, who's good to set up.
00:16:46.000An unidentified cooperating witness helped provide intelligence to a federal grand jury about at least one of the alleged members of the group.
00:16:56.000Thomas Petak, who delivers steel drums for a Southside company.
00:17:05.000And this isn't clear whether Thomas Petak is the one who provided the info or the info was provided on him.
00:17:12.000The person pictured therein is the person known as Cooperating Witness, an undercover FBI agent, to be the person who participated in the criminal Violations contained in the indictment.
00:17:24.000The government filing in the case reads, referring to photos of PTAC shown to the grand jury.
00:17:35.000And so the way this is written, Jaren, you're the one that just brought this to me.
00:18:10.000The filing was made to correct P-TAC's middle name, which it says was mistakenly entered as Edward instead of William on his arrest warrant and indictment.
00:18:50.000I mean, it was just over and over again, people coming up.
00:18:53.000I'd be at an event or I'd be somewhere and it was always a cop or informant type.
00:18:57.000Hey, you want some guns to protect yourself?
00:19:01.000It's just, and then, and then these feds will just run off and just lie about you.
00:19:05.000Because I have experienced them doing this.
00:19:07.000I have experienced You're standing there at a fence to watch the military do a takeover drill at a municipal airport, and a guy comes out of the bushes and says, you asked me to light this on fire!
00:19:45.000And so a lot of these Michigans are fed founded and fed run, just like the white supremacist groups.
00:19:51.000And they're there to try to radicalize and make militias look stupid and so they can go out and set people up to create the illusion that there's all these terrorist groups out there.
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00:23:59.000There is no doubt that my predictions of the last year and my intensifying predictions that I was sure of it in the last three and a half months, that there would be staged attacks on IRS buildings, military facilities, and on that there would be staged attacks on IRS buildings, military facilities, and This is the New York Times.
00:24:20.000It is now all unfolding, it's all fed run, all federally controlled.
00:24:25.000This Sickles character, we'll get a document cam shot for folks on that or put him on screen for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers, is the prime suspect as the informant inside.
00:24:37.000We know there is an informant within this group of eight people, probably more.
00:24:45.000And he's the guy making videos with a scary voice changer, with a guy dressed up as a gas-masked, festooned thug behind him, right out of Central Casting.
00:24:57.000Looks just like something Adam Gadon would produce.
00:25:02.000And, you know, he may not be the informant, but I'm just telling you my gut.
00:25:07.000It's one of these two, just from knowing some of their histories.
00:25:47.000She was clearly murdered, and we just talked to a documentary filmmaker who talked to her 48 hours before, and shot all these interviews with her, and she was planning to meet with him, everything was fine.
00:26:01.000Another political murder, because Atlanta is a major child trafficking operation, and she was exposing CPS running.
00:26:13.000I would advise everyone who was working with her, get everything, all the video, all the audio, all whatever she discovered out absolutely immediately or you may commit suicide.
00:26:24.000It's big money for the pedophile guilds that run America and feed on our children.
00:26:31.000And they don't want to be kept away from the children.
00:26:35.000How many CPS heads, how many Child Protective Services people, how many anti-pedophile police have been caught running the pedophile ops?
00:28:33.000To demonize the American people and fully sick homeland security on the American people.
00:28:38.000Remember it was Sky Television and Fox News four years ago that began programming people that white Al-Qaeda was everywhere and was going to kill you.
00:28:46.000And they showed white guys standing up posing as terrorists from England.
00:28:50.000And then we went and pulled up the original video.
00:28:52.000It was a government training video of mock terrorists.
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00:38:01.000So, and this came out in major papers in Europe a year and a half ago.
00:38:08.000But now it is a huge firestorm in Europe and in Asia and in the subcontinent because imagine hotels, shopping malls, people running around just waving machine guns and hand grenades, killing people, flipped out of their minds on psychotropic drugs.
00:38:25.000We now go to Alex Newman to break down these latest developments.
00:38:42.000So, basically, what's going on now, what I was just writing about, is that this terrorist, this supposed terrorist, also a quote-unquote former government agent, just reached a plea deal with the U.S.
00:38:53.000government, which is going to do a lot of things.
00:38:56.000One of the most important of them is that it's going to be keeping all of his links to intelligence agencies, American and Pakistani, classified.
00:39:04.000So, basically, we're never really going to get to find out what happened here, or what did happen.
00:39:09.000And same thing with the Fort Hood shooter.
00:40:33.000Yeah, it started back in the late 90s.
00:40:35.000He got busted trafficking heroin, so the DEA convinced him that he should be a secret agent for them in Pakistan.
00:40:42.000So he went over there, and during the time that he was working for them, or close to it, he started training with a terrorist group in Pakistan called the Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is a well-known Pakistani intelligence I mean, it's no question.
00:40:59.000And, you know, prominent Indians have been coming out and saying that the former, the top counterintelligence chief of the Indian Security Services has said it.
00:41:07.000The former Indian ambassador to Pakistan has said it.
00:41:10.000What's going on here is the government was in some capacity involved in this, and they had to have known about it at the very least.
00:41:17.000And there's probably more to it than that.
00:41:19.000And with this plea agreement that he just got, we're never going to get to know, unfortunately.
00:41:23.000It's just a travesty what's going on here.
00:41:25.000Well, what we know is he admits to running the key GPS operations, being in a leadership position, and then everybody else gets killed and their bodies are full of PCP, LFD.
00:41:38.000I mean, we don't even know if this is supposedly the people.
00:41:42.000They could have had just some nuts separately who were hallucinating, and then black ops shoot some of the people.
00:41:49.000That's what witnesses said they were seeing.
00:41:52.000The former head, well, at the time, the head of anti-terror forces, he gets killed in the attacks.
00:41:58.000He was coming out saying that Western intelligence had infiltrated and was going to stage this attack.
00:42:33.000Like you said, he gathered GPS coordinates for the team to land there.
00:42:36.000He was conducting surveillance, and he was key to this entire operation.
00:42:40.000And so now it comes out that he's a government agent, and everything's going to be classified.
00:42:45.000So something incredibly suspicious is going on, and the people really need to start asking the government what is going on here.
00:42:51.000I mean, and the Indians, too, are just outraged that this could happen.
00:42:56.000Well let's go over more of this guy's past and what type of government agent he was and now they're talking about basically giving him a lower sentence or something and that they're protecting him under national security.
00:43:13.000Yeah, well, in his plea agreement, I mean, for this crime, obviously, he could have gotten the death sentence, and with this plea agreement, he might not even serve a life sentence in prison.
00:43:22.000So, I mean, this is clearly some kind of cover-up, some kind of protection going on for this guy, and the U.S.
00:43:28.000is actually bound by treaty to hand him over to Indian authority, so we're actually not fulfilling our obligation in order to cover up the trail of this guy.
00:43:36.000And so some people have been saying that, you know, maybe they just made a huge mistake and their agent went totally rogue and out of control, and now they're trying to cover that up.
00:43:44.000But the thing is, we're not ever going to know, because it's all classified now.
00:43:49.000So, you know, it would seem like if it was just an innocent mistake, there wouldn't be this whole brouhaha trying to cover it up.
00:43:56.000It would seem that they would just admit they made a mistake.
00:43:58.000Everybody makes mistakes from time to time.
00:44:02.000But that's not what we're seeing at all, unfortunately.
00:44:06.000And it's the same in every single case.
00:44:09.000I wish the terrorism was just small, lone groups.
00:44:12.000That's a lot less scary than knowing the people running our government are manufacturing these attacks to start wars and take our freedoms.
00:44:24.000We'll continue going over some of the other important facets of your detailed article.
00:44:30.000Okay, well we have here the Ambassador who served in Pakistan, his name is M.K.
00:44:39.000Bhadrakumar, and he points out that the L.E.T.
00:44:42.000is closely affiliated with the Pakistan Inter-Services Intelligence, their equivalent of the CIA, and it's basically impossible that this operation would have gone on without the knowledge of the Pakistani government.
00:44:54.000And the connections between the CIA and the ISI, the Pakistan version of the CIA, are well known.
00:45:00.000They've been working with each other for a long time, funding each other, helping out with cross-intelligence.
00:45:06.000And so if the Pakistani government knew that this was going on, it's almost inconceivable that the U.S. government wouldn't have known what was going on.
00:45:13.000And, well, obviously they didn't tell the Indians that this was happening.
00:45:16.000And on top of that, there's been a few CIA moles who have been caught within the Indian security services.
00:45:22.000And so that's leading people toa lot of Indian journalists have been accusing certain Indian officials of being involved in this as well.
00:45:29.000So whether they're rogue Indian agents or whether they're collaborating with other governments, whether it be Pakistan or the American governments, we don't know.
00:45:37.000But there's clearly a lot going on here that isn't being talked about and that needs to be investigated. - Well, right after this happened, we were able to get Hamid Gul on the radio show, the former head of Pakistani intelligence, and he said that this was purely a U.S.-Israeli Indian operation as a pretext to start invasions and drone attacks, and that did then indeed happen.
00:46:05.000So that might be a good radio interview for you to pull up and listen to for further research.
00:46:13.000And yeah, and a lot of Indian journalists have been saying that this was aided and abetted by the Indian intelligence services.
00:46:19.000Some have accused the Israeli intelligence services as well of involvement.
00:46:23.000And Pakistan's fingerprint is pretty much undeniable at this point.
00:46:27.000He was training with the LEP, it's well known, it's admitted.
00:46:30.000And the LEP is essentially a terrorist group that's run by the Pakistani government, with, of course, all of its links to the American government.
00:46:38.000And then all these governments use these attacks as pretext to clamp down on their own populations.
00:47:21.000Radicalizing people, getting them to say stupid things, accidentally things that they don't mean, and yeah, then going in and arresting them and playing the soundbites on the afternoon media so that everybody knows that they need to give up their rights and their freedom.
00:47:37.000Well, why did the John Birch Society write on this?
00:47:40.000I mean, I like the JBS, but I found it's, I don't want to say timid, but very, very careful.
00:47:49.000I mean, even when there was evidence of Oklahoma City being an inside job for a long time, then they did some seminal research on it.
00:47:56.000They didn't for a long time report on the inconsistencies of 9-11, because I guess they didn't want to have people discredit them, but it does seem that the JBS is really getting a lot more hardcore now.
00:48:07.000We had McManus in last year, and he said that, you know, there might have been some operatives inside trying to suppress what you guys were doing, but that the JBS is going in the right direction now.
00:48:19.000No, the JBS is a great organization, and they always are really careful with what they publish.
00:48:23.000They always want to make sure the facts are 100% accurate before going forward with anything, and so I respect that.
00:48:29.000I received the tip on this from Dennis Bernhardt, who's the editor of the JBS website.
00:48:35.000And, you know, when something can be verified, backed up, then, you know, they go for it.
00:48:40.000And so, I think the JBS is really a great organization in terms of helping to educate Americans, not just on the principles, but also, you know, the news of what's going on.
00:48:50.000The New American Magazine, too, is part of the JBS, and I think they really do a great job of trying to get to the truth and publishing accurate information, you know?
00:49:02.000It's just that I've seen them get more aggressive.
00:49:05.000Because I've seen times when the evidence is there, and they still don't go there because they're being careful.
00:49:11.000But now I'm seeing them really come into the 21st century, which is great because so much of us, so many of us out there woke up and are informed because of the work of the John Birch Society over the last 50 years.
00:49:25.000And you know, the media, they really love to jump on every little thing.
00:49:29.000The New American Magazine and the John Birch Society, I think they're really cautious in what they say and make sure 100% for sure that it's accurate and truthful before going forward with it, because as with any effective organization promoting freedom and so forth, the media will immediately seize and pounce on any minor inaccuracy and try to discredit everything, and that's certainly not something that they would want.
00:49:53.000So, I think they used a good strategy and I'm really happy to be working with them and helping to educate Americans.
00:50:01.000There were two big Fox News articles yesterday in the terror section basically saying that I'm a radical calling for violence and that there are people on my website and they implied it was articles calling for violence when it was comments.
00:50:15.000We then went to Fox News and found their pundits and their contributors calling for violence and their commenters calling for it.
00:50:22.000So the headline is, Fox News calls for Obama to be killed while framing Alex Jones for instigating violence.
00:50:28.000I mean, this is getting really creepy to have the Southern Poverty Law Center, ADL, Time Magazine, Newsweek, George Soros publications, Neocon publications, all coming out against me because we are really exposing these creatures for what they are.
00:50:45.000And it means the issues we're covering here are like holy water and crosses to vampires.
00:50:51.000And that's why people need to really get the word out about Infowars.com, PrisonPlanet.com, and JBS.org.
00:50:58.000Let's talk more about the Mumbai situation.
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00:52:13.000The New World Order really is a tool for addressing a new world of possibilities.
00:52:18.000It means all the world under their control.
00:52:20.000The United Nations would take over America.
00:52:23.000The Trilateral Commission would control the world.
00:52:26.000Invisible Empire chronicles how men of power and influence have worked in stealth for centuries to establish an oppressive world government.
00:52:34.000I believe first of all that we now need nothing short of a world constitution for the global financial system.
00:52:39.000Global governance with the establishment of the G20.
00:52:41.000So it's going to be an inner ruling elite and then everyone else.
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00:53:59.000ADP, the nation's biggest payroll company that literally tens of thousands of companies use to do their payroll, companies unexpectedly cut payrolls in the month of March.
00:55:26.000I think I had that Times of London headline that was similar saying, you know, these informants and these stings are maybe illegal, but they want the illusion there are these terrorists everywhere.
00:55:39.000But then meanwhile, when you've got the illegal aliens killing cops, killing ranchers, burning their houses down from Texas to California, lawmakers demand administration deploy National Guard, Border Patrol after killing.
00:55:53.000Lawmakers from Arizona and New Mexico are ratcheting up their demands.
00:55:55.000The Obama administration deployed hundreds of National Guard dribs at border patrol agents at the Mexican border after the killing of a prominent Southeast Arizona rancher.
00:56:04.000He had helped illegal aliens that were dying in the desert, but he'd also criticized the open border.
00:56:10.000That's how the government down there does things.
00:56:13.000Going back and closing to Alex Newman, I'm glad you're reporting on this in the U.S.
00:56:18.000This is a big story, and I know you're on it.
00:56:21.000Other points you'd like to add about all this evidence of terrorism being staged?
00:56:27.000Yeah, well, I mean, what it really goes to show is that this war on terror is really a scam.
00:56:32.000I mean, if they need to go around radicalizing people, getting people to say stupid things, using their agents to work in terror camps, what it shows you is that really a lot of this stuff wouldn't be happening without the government involvement.
00:56:46.000So, it really is a scam to take our freedom and take our money.
00:56:50.000Sure, they probably commit some dupes from time to time that, you know, they're going to go meet Allah if they go blow themselves up.
00:56:56.000I'm sure there's plenty of people that actually believe what they're doing is, you know, for whatever cause they think they're working for.
00:57:02.000But all these government fingerprints all over everything, what it shows is that it's a scam and that this stuff wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for them.
00:57:12.000I mean, the American people really need to start waking up.
00:57:15.000Your listeners, I really hope they go out and talk to all their friends and their family.
00:57:20.000And, you know, tell people to just go on the Internet.
00:57:40.000government would be obeying the Constitution, we wouldn't have these problems.
00:57:43.000If they would stop meddling in foreign countries, if they would stop hiring terrorists and double agents and triple agents and doing all kinds of things that the American government really has no business doing, the Americans would be a lot safer, we'd be a lot richer, and we wouldn't have to be giving up all our rights for this stuff.
00:58:00.000I really appreciate the work you're doing, Alex, and I really want people to start waking up now.
00:59:58.000Coming up, we've got Dr. Frederick Whitehurst, the FBI's most famous, successful whistleblower, former head of the FBI Crime Lab.
01:00:16.000Because I wanted to talk to him about the culture at the FBI.
01:00:22.000Because I just constantly see confirmed news articles where they just frame anybody and everybody and shut people up and it's creeping me out.
01:00:30.000Because we've got the Southern Poverty Law Center, ADL, Fox News now writing articles saying I'm calling for violence and I'm evil and I'm not.
01:00:41.000All we've ever talked about is not having violence.
01:00:44.000And I've had people showing up at events saying hey let's kill cops and I've been covering military drills and had people just pop out of the bushes and start setting fire to things, trying to say I did it.
01:00:59.000I mean, I've had them try to set me up over and over again.
01:01:03.000Military intelligence, it came out in the news last year that Ron Paul and myself were surveilled by the Pentagon illegally.
01:01:18.000There's an article every day in the New York Times, London Guardian, Fox News.
01:01:22.000I mean, there's an article every day saying I'm violent and that I want terrorism.
01:01:30.000And so, that's not the... A few weeks ago when I wanted to get Dr. Frederick Whitehurst on, that wasn't my main reason for getting him on, but I wanted to ask him his advice as a whistleblower and somebody they tried to persecute.
01:01:42.000We're going to break here in a moment, but we're going to go to him right now here.
01:01:49.000Dr. Frederick Whitehurst, America's first successful FBI whistleblower, forced to the president.
01:02:33.000Houston Police Department, Dallas Police Department, just where I live in Texas, caught just framing people in an industrial scale and whether the culture is getting more corrupt or if there's been any good things that have happened.
01:02:47.000And then I want to ask you your advice because I myself literally have provocateurs now jumping out at grocery stores.
01:03:27.000Well, when I was at the FBI and we were trying to bring to the attention of the Department of Justice there were issues in the crime lab, we realized first of all we needed to stop it, then we needed to fix it, then we needed to find out who got hurt.
01:03:45.000And finding out who got hurt Um, is a big part of the picture that in our country we seem to want to ignore.
01:03:53.000That means there could be tens of thousands of incarcerated individuals who were, uh, I don't know whether the word is framed, but were accused by faulty science, by faulty crime lab work product.
01:04:08.000They need to know the Department of Justice has gone about this by saying, well, let's ask the prosecutors if it was material, whatever.
01:04:16.000And I don't think that's the proper way.
01:04:18.000I think if you've been treated unfairly by your government, you are part of that government and you should be given the courtesy of somebody coming to you and saying, By the way, this stuff was flawed.
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01:08:02.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
01:08:08.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
01:08:13.000That's right, deep behind the propaganda lines, attempting to wake the people up, attempting To get the population to listen to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine and others' words, love your country, fear your government, or you will get tyranny.
01:08:31.000Now, for the rest of the hour, Dr. Frederick Whitehurst is our guest.
01:08:37.000More than a decade ago, he is one of the most famous whistleblowers in U.S.
01:08:42.000history, perhaps the most famous in the more modern times.
01:08:46.000He's America's first successful FBI whistleblower.
01:08:49.000Dr. Whitehurst forced the president to issue an executive order ensuring whistleblower protection of all FBI agents who exposed misconduct.
01:08:58.000His case exposed forensic fraud in the FBI crime lab and subjected it to outside oversight for the first time.
01:09:05.000He's the director of the Forensic Justice Project and pioneer whistleblower.
01:09:09.000Dr. Whitehurst now joins us and exposes FBI misconduct and forensic fraud.
01:09:14.000And all over the country, every major police department in Texas, Austin, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, have all been caught just framing people en masse.
01:09:23.000All over the newspaper, San Francisco a few weeks ago I saw in the news, Tulia, Texas, literally filling the jail with half the town's black people framing them.
01:09:33.000Here's a New York Times article, DNA evidence can be fabricated, scientists show.
01:09:45.000years ago that they can fake your fingerprints.
01:09:46.000But I'm going to shut up now and go to Dr. Frederick Whitehurst for the balance of the hour to talk about are things getting worse, are they getting better, what's happening around the country.
01:09:57.000But first, sir, well, just going right back to you, I've got so many questions.
01:11:18.000I told him 18 years ago during trial of this man, it was before the commission, there were two tests that decided whether it was blood in the evidence, and one of them said yes and the other one said no, and he only reported the yes.
01:11:34.000And it has shaken up this state to think that a man in our crime laboratory, a lowly state employee, can put a guy in jail forever.
01:11:45.000Just unilaterally decide, well, I'm not going to report the stuff that would hurt the prosecutor's case.
01:13:13.000I have NBC here with the FBI Literally commanding and setting up and running the latest Muslim terror group that was going to bomb a synagogue.
01:13:25.000We have these groups infiltrating militias and the leaders are the ones who are government informants or agents provocateur-ing this.
01:13:33.000And it's just case after case after case.
01:13:36.000And then I myself have had people who it turned out were feds Try to set me up for things.
01:13:45.000I'm trying to understand from your perspective as the former head of the FBI Crime Lab Forensics Division, how did you awaken?
01:13:53.000How did you start seeing the corruption?
01:13:57.000What percentage, as a dead reckoning guesstimation, of police departments or FBI agents or their workers, what percentage For whatever reason, just love framing people.
01:14:13.000Because we now know, because of DNA evidence and other issues, in some states a third of the people or more are completely innocent.
01:14:20.000And we know that the biggest industry now in this nation is prisons.
01:14:23.000And there's this incentive to just build, build, build and put more people in prison.
01:14:28.000And as you said, the paradigm is shifting as the population begins to discover that something is rotten in the state of our republic.
01:14:37.000Well, you know, if I'd respond to that, first of all, I don't personally believe that most law enforcement officers are bad.
01:14:43.000I'm a very strong supporter of law enforcement.
01:14:57.000I understand from being inside what the pressures are.
01:15:01.000When we have an Oklahoma City go up and we see bodies of little children being dragged out, we call for revenge.
01:15:09.000That call for revenge directs our politicians, and that's what they are, they're politicians, to move forward with an agenda that we will at all costs, da-da-da-da-da.
01:15:19.000Well, that vengeance drags at the foundation of our justice system.
01:15:32.000Unfortunately, in any enterprise such as law enforcement, where somebody who gives the right answer to the right question at the right time gets the right job and there's no oversight, as a friend of mine and I were saying recently, we all know what floats to the top in a septic tank.
01:15:51.000And that, frankly, is what, without proper oversight, can float to the top in a law enforcement agency or a government agency.
01:16:00.000People that are willing to do whatever it takes, without any moral compass, go to the top.
01:16:05.000They control who then floats to the top with them.
01:16:08.000The problem you have in law enforcement is the kind of, in my opinion, let's take the FBI.
01:16:14.000The FBI is cram-packed full of very, very good people.
01:16:19.000And those that remain as law enforcement officers instead of managers and rear echelon folks, those people, they see what's going on, and they will respond.
01:16:30.000They respond either as, you know, going to the media under the table, which I think is inappropriate.
01:16:37.000They respond by going forward through the system.
01:16:41.000For your listeners that don't know right now, there is a move to gut the Whistleblower Protection Act with a bill.
01:16:49.000It's the Senate Bill 372 for the Senate right now to gut the Whistleblower Protection Act, to allow the FBI to review its own whistleblowers and to decide on their credibility and totally take their rights away.
01:17:04.000That bill, the structure of that bill, which came through the White House, by the way, a White House which, when it was running for election, said, we're going to strengthen whistleblower protection.
01:17:17.000That bill would put the FBI in a totally uncontrolled situation.
01:17:26.000Their own law enforcement officers who would do something about those issues would be shut down.
01:18:28.000It's happening from criminals who are loose in the FBI.
01:18:32.000And that is not the major percentage of them, but I can, in my experience, sir, most of those are top managers at the FBI that have managed, through lack of a moral compass, to move to the top and spread that kind of criminal activity where they want to, but they get stopped.
01:18:51.000If Senate Bill 372 goes through, FBI agents, I guarantee you they'll find another way to stop that criminal activity.
01:19:07.000So when you say, you know, law enforcement's run amok, I think what's happening is because of the information Uh, that we can get to now when somebody does run amok.
01:19:21.000You know, I lived in Texas one time, but I never heard of that place until, by golly, it was shown up that half the town had been put in jail by a bunch of crooked cops.
01:19:30.000That kind of information makes us think twice when we as jurors or as voters go to the poll.
01:19:40.000I want to get into, in a nutshell, your story, sir, so people can understand what you went through, and then talk about some of the successes that you've seen, but also some of the defeats, and what this does to the whole criminal justice system, as we have this loss of innocence, and we all discover together that all of this crap has floated to the top.
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01:24:24.000I think he's a nutty guy, but he clearly did get framed with the blood, with the, uh, Agent in it that is meant to preserve the blood and of course we're talking to the mystery witness from the OJ Simpson trial right now.
01:24:38.000This is a short segment, long segment coming up.
01:24:40.000We've got him the rest of the hour, Dr. Frederick Whitehurst.
01:24:43.000But I wanted to go back to the beginning.
01:24:48.000Why were you forced to take that risk as you said?
01:24:51.000There could have been a bullet with your name on it.
01:24:53.000Why did you go through all that hell to get the Whistleblower Protection Act through, and now they're coming back with SB 372 to try to reverse that?
01:25:02.000Well, the day I walked through the door of the laboratory, which was, I think it was June the 16th, 1986, it was obvious to me it wasn't a forensic crime lab.
01:25:20.000When you're trying to find material that you can't see with your eye, you don't know whether it came from the crime lab or the crime scene.
01:25:27.000Um, my initial approach to it was to just clean it up.
01:25:30.000If people are not going to clean it up, well, I'll clean it up.
01:25:34.000Um, I saw some things in the lab that, that bothered me.
01:25:38.000We do in any organization, I'm sure people working with you or me would, would question some of our judgment.
01:25:43.000But I didn't, I didn't say, you know, scream my head off.
01:25:46.000I said, there's a system here to work this out.
01:25:48.000I took these issues over a period of six, seven years, up through the chain of command, step by step by step, and at every chain, at every point.
01:25:58.000Uh, somebody said to me, well, I know there's issues, however, it's not your cross to bear.
01:28:02.000And we see this system everywhere where 800 plus cities are sanctuary cities where illegal aliens here in Austin can drunk drive and kill people and they get released but citizens get the book thrown at them because politically the government wants more illegals here for whatever reason.
01:28:21.000Now from your experience What percentage of Crime Lab people thought somebody was guilty, and so they planted the evidence, like with what happened with O.J.
01:28:31.000Simpson with the LAPD, and then, and I know it's not an exact number, versus what percentage were just sloppy and didn't care?
01:28:42.000Well, you know, there's another percentage, sir, and that's the people who work very, very hard and really do care.
01:28:50.000What happens in the Crime Lab is, They've got the data, and back when I was involved with this system, and I still am, but gradually we've come out of it, they're stuck with this issue.
01:29:03.000The issue is, well, the guy's probably guilty of something.
01:29:07.000If I report this stuff, I'm going to lose my job.
01:29:11.000So what's more important, my family or my oath of office and my nation?
01:29:17.000And that's a hard decision to make when the President of the United States himself doesn't care.
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01:34:18.000You know, they call them crime labs sometimes because the crime is in the lab.
01:34:25.000But, you know, the labs are frankly completely, absolutely overwhelmed, overworked.
01:34:33.000When you're just reading an article during the break about San Francisco Crime Lab, they're doing 7,000 cases or, you know, each exam.
01:34:42.000There's no way you could do science that fast, period.
01:34:45.000You know, what's amazing to me in San Francisco is that Taos itself is one of the most progressive think tanks, if you will, in the country.
01:34:54.000I'm not sure about that because I'm from North Carolina, but that kind of thing that's going on in San Francisco has been happening for years, and we've brought it to the attention of those folks out there, and judges don't do anything about it, courts don't do anything about it, defense attorneys are overwhelmed, the lab's overwhelmed, and well, okay, Um, if what happens in crime labs happened in clinical laboratories, there'd be bodies all over the place, but there'd also be lawsuits.
01:35:23.000You know, these people have immunity from lawsuit.
01:35:26.000If a doctor carried out his business like crime labs carry on their business, um, he wouldn't be a doctor very long.
01:35:34.000So this, this state immunity That you've got in the crime labs as well as no audit function.
01:35:41.000There's no outside audit function at all.
01:35:43.000You know, you'll be told the American Society of Crime Laboratory Directors audits these labs.
01:37:06.000I'm saying that the government officials, law enforcement, not some entity... Here's an example.
01:37:12.000Clinical laboratories have to answer to the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Act of 1991.
01:37:16.000It takes More oversight to determine you have a sore throat than to execute you, sir.
01:37:26.000You can be executed because of a crime laboratory that has no oversight at all but a doctor going into your throat to determine if you have a sore throat as a paperwork trail that he's very well aware could take away his license to practice.
01:38:25.000Every major police department I've ever even randomly googled has had big scandals with their crime labs, and that's with most states having almost no oversight.
01:38:35.000It's the same thing as the National Security Act of 47, where U.S. intelligence has almost no oversight, unlimited secret budgets, can do whatever they want.
01:38:45.000And, of course, the CIA had to admit in 96 with their inspector general that they were shipping in cocaine.
01:38:51.000Because if you give people that much power and allow them to run wild with no oversight, criminals are going to run to get into those positions of power because inside a government position, they can get away with murder where they couldn't get away with it as a private criminal. they can get away with murder where they couldn't get We know that high-functioning psychopaths gravitate towards government positions.
01:39:36.000As we learn that there's all this fraud, and instead of crime labs now, they're moving to new quackery that makes lie detector tests that have been proven to be a fraud, pale in significance.
01:39:46.000They have fake brain scanners, they have all these other systems that supposedly show if you're really guilty and have been proven to be frauds, quackery.
01:39:55.000We have all these fake informants lying about people, setting people up, being caught over and over again.
01:42:26.000In most of our states, we have open records.
01:42:28.000Citizen groups Can take the iPod out of their ear and petition the government for the names of every case that bad guys ever worked.
01:42:39.000And then go find those people, find out if they're in prison, if they've been executed, and we can do that passing the information around all over the country.
01:42:48.000And we will launch, and have launched, an army doing that.
01:42:53.000When one man goes to jail, sir, he has a family and he has friends, and if they know he's innocent, and they see the system do that to him, they do respond.
01:43:03.000And we've already won the first stage of the battle.
01:43:05.000We've gone from 20 years ago, the average person saying, no way the police ever frame anybody, to the population in polls know they frame whoever they want, whenever they want, and it's causing people You know what?
01:43:19.000I think I was on the inside of the FBI and I saw the stuff.
01:43:20.000A lot of innocent people are getting out of prison.
01:43:22.000When you talk to the average police officer or current FBI agent or other whistleblowers that you talk to, you know, the average cop on the beat, because I know you travel around the country and talk to folks, does the average cop realize how incredibly corrupt the system is and do they defend it?
01:43:40.000I think I was on the inside of the FBI and I saw the stuff.
01:43:45.000And I saw how sick people were at the things that were going on from voucher fraud to time and attendance sheet fraud to, you know, you go to court and there's a whole crew there and one of the guys is obviously lying and, you know, that they're sick about it.
01:44:02.000But, sir, you know, the structure we have right now forces those people, those good people, to decide between their family security or their oath of office.
01:44:12.000And that's a dilemma we shouldn't put in their hands.
01:44:15.000They should know that when they come forward with valid, documented proof, that that guy who did what he did will not be protected by his, you know, his, what do you call him in the bureau, his juice man, not be protected by his management structure, will be tried in a court of law as a criminal, a serial criminal, and sent to prison.
01:45:32.000I've probably got another 20 good years.
01:45:34.000So the answer is we have to pick a criminal and hound them and bring them to justice and with the internet we can... that's what I've always said.
01:45:43.000If you're a politician, you don't need to hound them.
01:45:47.000A citizen's hounding is, what you need is just to collect the data.
01:45:51.000Collect the data, and as a citizen group, it's a fascinating thing.
01:45:57.000Any bit of data, by the way, I've got, I'll give away to anybody.
01:45:59.000Well, doctor, when I say hound, I mean a hound just keeps tracking and never stops.
01:46:45.000He deserves the right to a fair trial, and if the government won't give it to him, the elected government, the appointed government, then the government called the people, and we are the government of this country, can give it to him.
01:47:55.000But, you know, this lady at the San Francisco lab has been there 29 years.
01:47:59.000I know I was in a trial hearing about three, four years ago in which her word Well, I'm not going to let that go.
01:48:07.000You know, that thing of educating, and let's put it out on the mainstream, here's where we've won, sir.
01:48:13.000criminal with a gun and the court accepted what she said well i'm not going to let that go uh you know that that thing of educating and let's put it out on the mainstream here's where we've won sir when i first joined the fbi 1982 there was no media denigration at all of the fbi now if you see a movie they're in they're the clowns if you you know Their reputation in the FBI has been soiled by those people.
01:48:39.000By those people that crossed the blue line and tarnished their badge, it's been soiled.
01:48:44.000And the FBI didn't take care of it, so the FBI has this horrible public relations deal to overcome.
01:48:51.000But the American people know it through their culture.
01:48:54.000You know there's a show on television called Dexter.
01:48:59.000Well, where do you think that idea came from?
01:49:03.000It came from... It's almost daily in the news that a crime lab has had trouble.
01:49:09.000I think we need to be careful that we don't trash every crime lab technician out there.
01:49:16.000We just need to question their work product very closely.
01:49:20.000We need to keep them honest and we know there's a major problem here and it's important when you've got a big military industrial complex owning and building more prisons and they want to cram us all in them.
01:49:30.000It's a life-and-death situation that we point out to people that these groups can't be trusted and we've got to keep them honest.
01:50:37.000Now we don't know whether there's global warming or not, sir.
01:50:41.000We really don't know, because you know there's some good scientists out there that believe it, but there's some frauds out there that are pushing it like Y2K.
01:50:53.000Final segment with Dr. Frederick Wyatt Hearst, also a lawyer, former FBI agent.
01:50:58.000He headed up the forensic area of the FBI Crime Lab.
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01:54:44.000And Dr. Frederick Whitehurst, one of the top guys at the FBI crime lab who blew the whistle back in the late 90s, early 90s, what was it, 1996, doctor?
01:54:54.000Well, actually, the whistleblowing, if you'll call it that, started in about 1992 and went Sure, but I just remember seeing it peaking there in the mid-90s.
01:55:30.000I think what's happening there is they are not going to address these issues.
01:55:35.000They're going to bully people that bring them forward.
01:55:39.000You know, if we're willing to just go day-to-day and let things happen, they're going to bully people that are bringing these things forward.
01:55:47.000If you're up top, then you're going to lose your cushy job because it turns out that your laboratory is a mess or that you're the problem or whatever.
01:55:57.000That's what I went through with the FBI labs.
01:55:59.000And so, what you end up with is criminals essentially moving up to the top.
01:57:46.000I don't think people understand this is do or die.
01:57:49.000This is an all or nothing exercise for the evil people.
01:57:52.000And it's an all-or-nothing exercise for the good guys.
01:57:56.000Well, I think I agree with you, but when we say all-or-nothing, sir, we're talking about lawful disobedience of this.
01:58:04.000Lawfully saying, no, I am not talking about militia, and I am not talking about violence.
01:58:10.000I'm talking about the tools that we have in our society being used effectively to let people who get up off of the armchair and just say, I'm not going to let this happen.
01:58:22.000Folks can visit whistleblowers.org, find out more about under Frederick Whitehurst and other great people that are standing up against tyranny.