Big Brother, Mainstream Media, Government Cover-Ups, You want answers? Well, so does he. He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network and now, live from Austin, Texas, we are live this April 8th, 2010. And out of the gates, it is tax season, and the globalists are openly telling you, you will be paying more taxes than ever in the coming years.
00:01:27.000Facing unsustainable budget deficits, the United States will have to make difficult choices between higher taxes and social spending, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said.
00:01:38.000This is the same guy that said that we were out of the recession, then doubled back, made up a term and said we were in a double-dip recession.
00:01:46.000We can't say depression anymore in this country.
00:01:50.000We can't own up to the over 20% unemployment in this country.
00:02:21.000This is why we saw the cover of Newsweek not only saying we are now socialists, But also the case for killing Granny, and how it's a good thing, and how we'll just have to have end-of-life care.
00:02:33.000We don't really need them to live another 2, 5, 10, 15, or 20 years.
00:02:38.000If you've lived 55 or 60 years, that should be enough.
00:02:41.000You should die gracefully for the state.
00:02:44.000This out-of-control collectivist mindset is being thrust upon a global population, and now the United States more than ever.
00:02:54.000And they're openly telling you they are going to tax you to death as well.
00:02:58.000To avoid large and unsustainable budget deficits, the nation will ultimately have to choose among higher taxes, modifications to entitlement programs such as Social Security and Metacorp, We've been telling you for years they were going to take your Social Security and I promise you they will.
00:03:16.000They're openly, the banks are openly saying they're going to take your pensions.
00:03:20.000Isn't it great you worked 30 or 40 years so you could live your twilight years out in comfort?
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00:08:13.000I am Jason Burma, sitting in live for Alex Jones.
00:08:15.000And I want to remind everybody, we have two new films coming out.
00:08:19.000Invisible Empire and New World Order Define.
00:08:21.000My film, two hours and twelve minutes plus extras, really not only takes the term New World Order and defines it, As a global, tyrannical government in which every part of your life is micromanaged by a ruling elite.
00:08:58.000They create these organizations that are above the Constitution, above the Bill of Rights, that don't have checks and balances, and over time they infiltrate and control them.
00:09:07.000This is why we have sole source contracts.
00:09:09.000This is why we have soldiers in the Middle East laughing about killing civilians.
00:09:15.000We really have to get back to the way we used to be.
00:10:26.000Let me just read the quote for everybody.
00:10:29.000To avoid large and unsustainable budget deficits.
00:10:32.000Well of course we have large and unsustainable budget deficits when the Federal Reserve literally prints the money out of nowhere for the private bankers.
00:10:42.000Literally prints the money out of nowhere.
00:11:49.000That network has been set up over there in those poppy fields for years and when they kind of got out of our control prior to 9-11, 9-11 was the excuse to take it over and now Karzai's brother is the lead opium dealer.
00:12:03.000Hamid Karzai Our puppet dictator that we put into Afghanistan, that was an ex-Chevron executive, that said thumbs up to the big Inokle oil pipeline that was said no to by the Taliban prior to 9-11, his brother is the lead opium dealer there.
00:13:08.000budget deficits and ballooning debt has become a hot-button political issue in Washington as President Barack Obama and his predecessor, George W. Bush, have spent billions of taxpayer money to stave off economic collapse.
00:13:21.000A total lie to stave off economic collapse.
00:13:24.000No, we gave 27 trillion plus dollars to the bankers so that they could consolidate power, so that they could move out people from their homes.
00:14:52.000Bernanke said quick steps to balance the books would hurt the fragile recovery, but that a credible long-term plan could spark economic growth today.
00:15:00.000Oh, they can always spark growth today.
00:15:01.000People like Larry Summers told you again the recession was over.
00:16:36.000They don't want him making twenty to thirty million in the next five years, because that could turn into two hundred to three hundred million in the next ten.
00:16:51.000Or they have to find a way for them never to get in that position in the first place, and that's again, putting them in that tax bracket where they take 60-70% of their income.
00:17:01.000And then they blame the other middle class for not paying taxes.
00:17:06.000About 47% will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009.
00:17:10.000Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions, and exemptions to eliminate their liability.
00:17:16.000That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.
00:17:22.000research organization that is putting out this type of propaganda.
00:17:26.000If you really want to understand how the economy works, how the Federal Reserve System works, you can easily pick up America, Freedom to Fascism from Infowars.com.
00:17:35.000And we have our interview with Aaron Russo, Reflections and Warnings, free in many cases, when you buy other films.
00:17:41.000I think if you get Invisible Empire, you can get Reflections and Warnings for another $5, folks.
00:17:48.000And again, why are we paying taxes to a criminal government that deals the drugs, the heroin and the cocaine?
00:17:56.000That is an illegal horse in Afghanistan and Iraq, and they're beating the drums against Iran, and we'll get to that momentarily.
00:18:05.000Because Russia and the United States did sign this new agreement, this new nuclear arms pact, and the other headline that follows that, that's right after that, is Iran will not beg to avoid sanctions.
00:18:22.000Obama and Medvedev sign arms treaty, press Iran.
00:18:26.000The United States and Russia signed a landmark strategic nuclear disarmament treaty on Thursday and said new sanctions may be necessary to put pressure on Iran to renounce its nuclear ambitions.
00:18:35.000President Barack Obama and Dmitry Medvedev signed the pact at a ceremony in the medieval Prague Castle after talks that covered nuclear security, Iran's atomic program, and an uprising in the central Asian state of Kyrgyzstan, where both major powers have military bases.
00:18:52.000And this is kind of putting the fear of God into Iran, but they're not going to back down.
00:19:16.000Iran's president said on Thursday he would not plead with opponents of Tehran's nuclear program in order to avoid sanctions as Russia and the United States said new measures might be necessary.
00:19:26.000And that's very dangerous because there has been somewhat of a rift.
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00:21:03.000A New World Order based upon collective action.
00:21:06.000Invisible Empire is a damning indictment of the globalists through their own words and documents.
00:21:11.000The New World Order really is a tool for addressing a new world of possibilities.
00:21:16.000It means all the world under their control.
00:21:18.000The United Nations would take over America.
00:21:21.000The Trilateral Commission would control the world.
00:21:24.000Invisible Empire chronicles how men of power and influence have worked in stealth for centuries to establish an oppressive world government.
00:21:32.000I believe first of all that we now need nothing short of a world constitution for the global financial system.
00:21:37.000Global governance with the establishment of the G20.
00:21:40.000So it's going to be an inner ruling elite and then everyone else.
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00:25:01.000Only in America could the man responsible for interest rates and banking regulation at the time, Alan Greenspan, incredulously insist, as he is again in testimony at the Financial Crisis Commission, that they had very little to do with it.
00:25:16.000And only in America could you imagine the story of a one-eyed neurology intern with undiagnosed Asperger's syndrome Who ended up making a fortune by applying the principles of value investing to subprime mortgage lending.
00:26:21.000And then the IMF, the International Monetary Fund, absorbed our SEC, absorbed the Federal Reserve Banking System that is in place, and now they're printing, well they're not printing them, they're just administering them.
00:26:36.000It's a digital currency, it's not physical yet.
00:26:39.000More than ever, it is the new reserve currency.
00:26:41.000It's called a Special Drawing Rights Unit.
00:26:48.000As they gut the dollar, yes, everything is going down.
00:26:51.000As they gut the economy, as they de-industrialize us, as we no longer have factory work here, as long as we don't produce anything, don't worry, everything's going to be okay.
00:27:39.000Earlier in the year, I was on a trip with Aaron Dykes, shooting out in Philadelphia, and one of my good friends, one of my fraternity brothers lives down there, and it just so happened he was getting together with a couple other of my fraternity brothers.
00:27:51.000So, we all got together for some beers, and we were talking about the economy, and a lot of these guys are school teachers, or some of them are actually out of work.
00:28:00.000One of them works for the IRS, and one of them had the nerve to tell me that that's what capitalism does.
00:28:07.000It's okay they're taking the pension funds.
00:28:10.000And I looked at him, and I said, so if you worked as a teacher somewhere for 25 years and they didn't give you your pension, you wouldn't be upset?
00:28:39.000I am going to fight this tooth and nail!
00:28:43.000And when banksters like Bernanke get out there and just openly say, we're taking more taxes and you're not getting your Social Security and you're not getting your Medicare, it's time to stop just shouting from the rooftops, folks.
00:29:07.000We can't let Fox News and Republican operatives, which are really just establishment operatives, there is no real left and right, it's all controlled by the same people, take over movements like the Tea Party.
00:29:18.000We have to have a huge show and we can't let green anarchists make us look bad in the next week.
00:29:25.000We gotta take charge, we gotta get the information out to the people, so please go to InfoWars.com right now, get the all-important videos, make copies, and hand them out to your friends and family.
00:29:34.000The new Police State 4 trailer coming up after the break.
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00:35:15.000We get back to the hotel and we're lying around the hotel and I'm with Jason Douglas and Rob do the two co-directors on this film with Alex Jones and all of a sudden Douglas who put the car the rental car in his name gets a call and we probably would have gone back to the rental car agency because this person was like hey we have a problem with the car we really need to give you a new car that one has some problems with the brakes or they gave us some bogus excuse can you come down and bring it back
00:35:45.000And I guess, lucky for us, the city was already locked down.
00:35:49.000If you were in certain areas of the city, you couldn't get out.
00:35:52.000You literally could not take the bridges out.
00:35:54.000They wouldn't let you leave because of all these dignitaries that were coming in.
00:35:58.000And Douglas is like, well, we'd really love to come in.
00:36:38.000We no longer have posse comitatus in this country, which is the separation of the military and police.
00:36:43.000I went up to over a dozen military personnel, old and young, and asked them if they could tell me what posse comitatus was, and not one, not one of them, these are the people that are supposed to be swearing their allegiance to the Constitution and Bill of Rights against all enemies foreign and domestic, and not one of them can tell me what posse comitatus is.
00:37:05.000I'm featured in this film, so without further ado, we're going to go to the latest and greatest police state trailer right now.
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00:38:14.000Hello friends, Alex Jones here for Police State 4 The Rise of FEMA.
00:38:19.000It's been almost 8 years since I produced a Police State film.
00:38:22.000I made one in 99, one in 2000, and one in 2001.
00:38:27.000And unfortunately, everything that we covered in those documentary films has now become reality.
00:38:32.000Police State 4 is so important, and is the most powerful of my Police State films, because it proves how a private corporate shadow government has taken over our country.
00:38:42.000And it conclusively documents the fact that there is an archipelago of FEMA camps and emergency centers that have been built across the United States, and that they're being expanded.
00:38:56.000The people have heard these camps have been built.
00:38:58.000They've heard about the National Emergency Centers Act.
00:39:01.000They've seen the government hyping how the military needs to be used on the streets of America.
00:39:06.000This puts all the pieces of the puzzle together and shows the people what's really being prepared and set up and how the government is planning to stage terror attacks to be blamed on domestic groups as a pretext to begin arresting and interring the American people without due process or habeas corpus.
00:39:24.000I am asking everyone to pre-order Police Day 4 The Rise of FEMA at InfoWars.com.
00:39:31.000It's coming out in just a few weeks on April 21st.
00:39:34.000And once you get the DVD, to make as many copies as you can and to give them to everyone in your community.
00:39:40.000Because one thing can stop this conspiracy to take over our society.
00:39:45.000One thing can stop what's developing here in the U.S.
00:41:08.000I should have slept in the night There you have it, Police State 4.
00:41:13.000Get it over at Infowars.com right now or become a PrisonPlanet.tv member for only $5.95 a month.
00:41:19.000See that film as soon as it comes out, my film as soon as it comes out, all of mine and Alex Jones' great work, plus my weekly radio show, my Sunday show, three hours a day, and of course this PrisonPlanet.tv show with Alex Jones.
00:41:33.00010 hours a week, you don't get that much real news anywhere else.
00:42:08.000Something you might want to look into is the mock riot held at the National Corrections and Law Enforcement Training and Technology Center in Moundsville, West Virginia.
00:42:19.000It's held at the beginning of each May.
00:42:22.000There you can actually witness some training of both civilian and military SWAT teams in crowd control and surveillance.
00:42:32.000All the weapons manufacturers, they're selling our goods.
00:42:38.000Well, we'll see what we can do to get people out there, but it is so difficult, and that's why we really encourage listeners out there to become the media, to take your little digital camcorders.
00:42:47.000It doesn't have to be in high definition.
00:42:49.000You can go on eBay right now and pick up a handheld camera for about $100, and let's hold our political officials and our military accountable for what they do.
00:43:39.000Well, it's great to see actual natural clouds here in Illinois today in front of the chemtrails, so I'm just feeling outstanding.
00:43:46.000Today, yet another example of our fraudulent President Sotoro signing another peace deal with Russia.
00:43:55.000You were talking about how they're fighting for the number one and two spot.
00:43:59.000I wonder if you can explain that more.
00:44:01.000And secondly, was there an update from Phil J. Berg on when this march in Washington with the birth certificate Was going to be, and also about these RFID chips, that reconciliation bill, if you could explain that a little bit more, and how our fraudulent government is going to start tracking us with the powers of the IRS.
00:44:23.000Also, they're talking about taking our tax returns if we don't pay for new Obamacare.
00:44:31.000Let's start at the beginning and talk about the number one and number two spot in the new world order.
00:44:38.000You can see a real rift between Russia and the United States in the Georgian conflict that happened a little bit over a year ago.
00:44:45.000Remember, Western media started reporting Georgia has been attacked by Russia through South Ossetia.
00:44:52.000Then, as the real information began to trickle in, we found out that, in fact, Georgia, who had the third largest amount of troops in the Middle East under the UN, and they're not part of NATO yet at that point, okay?
00:45:06.000They have the third largest amount of troops there.
00:45:08.000They're running drills on the South Ossetian border.
00:45:12.000With both Israel and the United States.
00:45:15.000And all of a sudden they sneak attack South Ossetia.
00:45:18.000Literally slitting throats, knifing people in the back at these bases.
00:45:26.000They started running some drills, some counter drills across the way.
00:45:29.000And then they're prepared when this happens.
00:45:32.000So Russia never really invaded South Ossetia.
00:45:34.000They saved South Ossetians from the murder by Georgians and United States-sponsored troops.
00:45:41.000But that's not what you saw in the mainstream media.
00:45:44.000And why Russia felt so threatened is that NATO is really encompassing them, and they see NATO as an arm of the Anglo-American establishment.
00:45:51.000But they also realize that they have to work with the United States.
00:45:54.000Another rift that you can see is a financial one.
00:45:56.000You've got to remember that Russia got involved with Brazil, Indonesia, and China under brick to promote their new currency.
00:46:03.000See, it's always about a move towards a global or regional currency, But these guys want to be at the head of it.
00:46:10.000Now, I'm not sure what's going on with Phil Berg, and as far as your track, trace, and database comments, it happens every day.
00:46:16.000It's been happening for over a decade.
00:46:18.000It may not be through RFID technology, although that's part of it, and we do go into RFID technology and implantable human chips in the new movie Invisible Empire, but what we also go into is the case of HEPTING versus AT&T.
00:46:32.000You may not be familiar with this, folks, but you should be.
00:46:35.000Because if you think warrantless wiretaps are bad, let me explain something to you.
00:46:39.000Every single email you put out, every single phone call you make, every IM you type, every website you visit is filtered into National Security Agency databases run by Norris Insight Systems.
00:46:56.000I'm sorry if those were big words, but you need to look into it for yourself.
00:47:00.000And when over 87 people came forward and filed separate lawsuits Against people like AT&T and all the other major telecommunication companies out there that were taking part in this.
00:47:13.000Mark Klein being their main witness saying, yes, there is a secret room.
00:47:17.000Yes, they are tracking, tracing and databasing and analyzing everything you do.
00:47:55.000Hey, one thing, I got two things real quick.
00:47:58.000First of all, people need to read the 1944 Britain Blitz Conference and realize before World War II, they already had this IMF World Trade Organization already thought up.
00:48:08.000Second thing is, I'm going to a tea party in Pleasanton, California.
00:48:12.000I want to let everybody know, everybody bring cameras.
00:48:14.000And anybody who disturbs anything, follow them to their car.
00:48:18.000Find out who, because I have a bad feeling that they're going to try to pull something at the tea party to make us look bad.
00:48:24.000Well I would also say this, get a look at their shoes and their boots, because back about two or three years ago, when they were having a protest out in Canada, and of course there were a couple anarchists there, and they had their faces covered, and they were like, let's throw rocks at the cops, I'm gonna throw this rock.
00:48:42.000And then he throws the rock at the cops, the cops take him down, and lo and behold, he's wearing the same boots as the police officer!
00:48:48.000While the other protesters begged him not to be violent, the agent provocateur who turned out to be a cop, they had to admit it, the next day he was the one causing violence.
00:48:58.000And when I was down in the G20 in Pittsburgh, which is all covered in Police State 4, the rise of FEMA, I kept my cameras honed on these anarchists.
00:49:06.000These people that were trying to throw paint on people, were throwing bottles and cans at one another.
00:49:43.000Hand out my film, Fabled Enemies, to somebody that doesn't understand what 9-11 truth is really about.
00:49:48.000They only hear the mainstream talking points that are complete and total propaganda to try to marginalize us.
00:49:54.000Give them Endgame so that they can understand the program for depopulation, not only in third and second world nations, but coming to a household near you.
00:50:04.000All right, let's go to Mark in Pennsylvania.
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00:52:03.000A new world order based upon collective action.
00:52:06.000Invisible Empire is a damning indictment of the globalists through their own words and documents.
00:52:11.000The New World Order really is a tool for addressing a new world of possibilities.
00:52:16.000It means all the world under their control.
00:52:18.000The United Nations would take over America.
00:52:20.000The Trilateral Commission would control the world.
00:52:24.000Invisible Empire chronicles how men of power and influence have worked in stealth for centuries to establish an oppressive world government.
00:52:32.000I believe first of all that we now need nothing short of a world constitution for the global financial system.
00:52:37.000Global governance with the establishment of the G20.
00:52:39.000So it's going to be an inner ruling elite and then everyone else.
00:54:08.000We're about to go back to Mark in Pennsylvania in just a moment to tell the horrors of how you can pay into a pension for 25 to 30 years and then General Electric will just sell the company and guess what?
00:55:00.000Yes, so to continue, at the time it was my sister who was due to get a pension at the 25-year mark, six months prior to that, Also a little bit of background, about the same time that she hired on, a lot of other people hired on.
00:55:14.000So they had a lot of people that were hired on at the same time.
00:55:17.000So it's about the six months before she was due to get that, along with a lot of other co-workers.
00:55:54.000And that's the thanks that they get from General Electric.
00:55:57.000And along that time was when Jack Welch was writing all of his books and getting all of his stupendous Outrageous fortunes from, you know, being such a great leader of a company.
00:56:09.000We have to realize, first of all, Mark, that GE is one of the top military industrial complex companies out there.
00:56:17.000They're the owners of NBC and they are a huge gatekeeper.
00:56:21.000They don't care about the little guy at all.
00:56:23.000If anybody's seen Michael Moore's Capitalism, which I think is really wrongly named and wrongly directed, it's really about Globalism.
00:56:31.000When they look at the internal Citigroup documents, that's Citigroup, the bank, they refer to us as peasants and that we are in a plutonomy and that their model is the rich continuing to get richer over time as the poor continue to get poorer with no end in sight.
00:57:15.000Okay, Bill Murphy and Adrian Douglas were there from GATA, and it seems they were contacted by a whistleblower from London.
00:57:26.000A trader, commodity trader, named Andrew McGuire.
00:57:29.000Andrew McGuire had been working with the Commodity Future Trading, telling them when JPMorgan and HSBC were going to short the market and take the market down.
00:57:40.000He even gave them the date, the time they were going to do it, and they wouldn't do anything about it.
00:57:47.000Well, anyhow, Bill Murphy relayed this right at the committee hearing, and it was just a mind-boggler.
00:57:54.000Well, anyway, the next day Andrew McGuire and his wife were driving down the streets of London and were hit broadside by a hit-and-run driver, and the GADDA had a number of interviews lined up with the regular media.
00:58:09.000And all of those were cancelled the following morning.
00:58:12.000Well that does sound more than interesting and we also know that the only insider trading they actually do go after is the little guy, are these media events like Diana or Martha Stewart and others.
00:58:25.000They don't go after the big dogs and they don't want their corruption to be exposed.
01:00:21.000I am Jason Vermas, sitting in for Alex Jones.
01:00:24.000It is April 8th, 2010, and we are currently joined by Peter Dale Scott, author, historian, and poet, and we're going to get to him in just a moment.
01:00:35.000As well as his latest article, Can the U.S.
01:00:38.000Triumph in the Drug Addicted War in Afghanistan?
01:00:41.000Opium, the CIA, and the Karzai Administration.
01:00:44.000But Mr. Scott is actually featured in my latest and I believe greatest documentary to date, Invisible Empire, A New World Order Defined, released April 15th here first at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.tv.
01:00:57.000So we're going to show you a trailer and come back to Mr. Scott.
01:01:00.000Yes, these men, they're hypnotized followers.
01:01:20.000One small central authority of individuals can then dictate a policy that's going to be distributed down to the rest of the world, everywhere.
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01:02:58.000Secure your copy of Invisible Empire on DVD at Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com or see it in the highest quality at PrisonPlanet.tv And we are back at the Alex Jones Show, and we are joined by Peter Dale Scott.
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01:03:17.000Triumph in a Drug-Addicted War in Afghanistan?
01:03:20.000Opium, the CIA, and the Karzai Administration.
01:03:23.000Since we're going to break in about 90 seconds, Peter, why did you write this article?
01:03:28.000Well, it was actually, you know, I have a good friend, Al McCoy, who wrote the definitive book about CIA and drugs called The Politics of Heroin.
01:03:40.000But he just published an article on Tom Dispatch, and I thought that he was underplaying the role of the CIA in the spread of the global drug trafficking since World War II.
01:03:54.000In fact, as you can learn from his book, the CIA and a forgotten adjunct of it, the OPC Office of Policy Coordination, actually built up the drug trade in Burma to create a local force to stop the Chinese Communists from moving south into Southeast Asia.
01:04:18.000And there's been continuous relationship between the CIA and the drug traffic since.
01:04:23.000So what happened in Afghanistan, originally in the 80s, and then again in 2001, the CIA went to that country twice and helped build up the drug traffic there.
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01:08:12.000We are joined by Peter Dale Scott who I sat down with last October and he was gracious enough to give me an hour and 40 minute interview for my film Invisible Empire and New World Order Defined.
01:08:25.000And one of the things we did talk about was CIA involvement in drug running in the past and even
01:08:31.000Today in modern times, but at the time this New York Times article had not come out yet and you were actually alluding to this in our interview saying that there had been some Russian journalists and sources out there that said that we were very much involved in the opium trade in Afghanistan and then we had this headline October 28, 2009, brother of Afghan leader said to be paid by the CIA and this is of course Ahmed Wali Karzai, you go into this later,
01:09:00.000In the article, Peter, but how is it that we've set up an infrastructure that is openly using a drug lord who just happens to be our puppet dictator's brother as the lead opium dealer in the region?
01:09:16.000Well, twice over, first time in 1979 and again in 2001 after 9-11, the CIA went into Afghanistan It didn't have very many assets there to choose from, and the assets it chose happened to be drug traffickers.
01:09:34.000And its hands were not totally free in this matter, because the first time, which was the crucial decision in 1979, it was trying to stay as remotely from operations as possible.
01:09:49.000So it supplied a great deal of money to what we call the ISI, which is the Pakistan Intelligence Service.
01:09:57.000Pakistan was actually frightened of Afghan independence because there's an unresolved border issue between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
01:10:08.000So Pakistan gave the money, or more than half of the money, to its preferred client, who had a base in Pakistan but not in Afghanistan.
01:10:18.000And he became, with the aid of CIA money, perhaps the world's largest heroin trafficker in the 1980s.
01:10:27.000He not only was dealing in opium, but he developed the heroin lab in ISI territory in Pakistan.
01:10:36.000And if you go back to that period, 1979, what we call the Golden Crescent wasn't a factor in the world drug traffic at all, which is amazing when you consider that now something like 90 or 93% of the world's heroin is coming from Afghanistan itself.
01:10:56.000And it went up very quickly from an insignificant amount to, well, 2007 was the peak year, 8,200 tons.
01:11:07.000You mentioned that that was a huge buildup from 2001, when it was only 185 tons.
01:11:17.000I think in all fairness, we ought to compare the 8,000 figure with 2000 rather than 2001, because that 185 ton figure was a record low in the last two decades.
01:11:33.000The Taliban was desperate to get world recognition.
01:11:37.000It was only recognized by three countries at that time.
01:11:40.000And so it just made a point of using its own brutal methods to stamp out the drug trade in Afghanistan.
01:11:48.000185 tons was from the, most of that, nearly all of it, was from the area of Afghanistan that the Taliban did not yet control.
01:12:00.000And then in 2001 we went back in, so we, I say Washington, Made a conscious decision to ally itself with the Northern Alliance, who were responsible for the drugs still being grown in Afghanistan.
01:12:17.000They went in with the aid of drug traffickers, and that has colored the nature of the relationship we have in that country ever since.
01:12:30.000I mean, something very like this happened in Vietnam.
01:12:33.000The American went into Vietnam in the 1950s.
01:12:36.000He had no real allies there and installed a puppet, really, not in him.
01:12:44.000And with very little popular base, he relied on his brother.
01:12:49.000This is just as Ahmed Khalil Karzai relies on his brother, Ahmed Wali, to deliver the votes, organize the countryside.
01:13:05.000And let me just stop you there, Peter, because that's actually in the mainstream news just yesterday.
01:13:14.000I was watching Wolf Blitzer and the Cafferty Report was coming on, and they were discussing how not only does Waleed Karzai deal this opium, but he also rigs the elections for his brother.
01:13:33.000Well, history repeated becomes farce, I guess, because this is what we had in Vietnam.
01:13:38.000Ngo Dinh Nhu ran the drug trade, was a CIA asset, and faked an election for his brother Ngo Dinh Diem.
01:13:48.000You know, yes, it's painful that we say that we're doing this as a fight for democracy, It's actually meaningless to bring democracy to a country like Afghanistan.
01:14:00.000It's not even really a state in our sense.
01:14:05.000And it always had a certain amount of violence built into it, but it was a much more benign state of affairs before we started meddling, and particularly before we pumped all this money in behind the drug traffic because the drug traffickers are much more ruthless than the traditional tribal elders who have their own code of behavior.
01:14:30.000And the idea that we can just go into a country and impose something on it and expect people to like us is ridiculous.
01:14:38.000It's like the British Red Coats coming to America in the 1770s and expecting to get rid of these miscreants like George Washington.
01:14:49.000And again, instead of ending these wars like the Obama administration had promised, he's actually sent tens of thousands of new troops into Afghanistan and the media propaganda that that's where the real fight is has really been thrust upon the people in the last 18 to 24 months.
01:15:12.000What do you see that environment like in the next two years?
01:15:16.000Are we going to still just keep mounting troops and mounting troops?
01:15:19.000Or when we get to an election year, will we start to pull them out a little more?
01:15:22.000Well, I think Obama faces a very tough decision in the future.
01:15:26.000He might be, for all I know, I can't read his mind.
01:15:30.000He might be sincere in thinking that he's going to pull the troops out because certainly the most sensible thing for him to do, given what he has done, which has put the, you know, we now have 100,000 troops there.
01:15:56.000It's 200,000 troops, and that's not enough.
01:16:02.000by counter-insurgency doctrine to pacify the country.
01:16:06.000It's not even enough to pacify the pastoral southern half of it, which is the basic source of the problem.
01:16:13.000I think he may think, and he may have been advised that he should pull out, but I agree with Andrew Bacevich that once you unleash the dogs of war, it's not so easy to haul them back in, and America is going to find itself in a position, I will predict this,
01:16:32.000That in 2011, which was the year where he said he would begin to start pulling the troops back out, the situation is going to be at least as messy as it is now, and there's going to be a great deal of pressure on him, both from inside the country and from the area of Pakistan and Afghanistan itself.
01:16:58.000In fact, the situation in Pakistan may be worse for all I know, because it's a very unstable country right now.
01:17:05.000And you know, you just mentioned that it would be like the Redcoats coming into America, what the United States has done in Afghanistan.
01:17:14.000I want to get your take on the video that was recently released this week of Really, soldiers being judge, jury and executioner from the sky on not only Reuters reporters, but then when one of them seemed to survive, they opened up on a van with two children in the front seat of the car when no weapons were in sight.
01:17:37.000They kept saying, do you see a weapon?
01:17:45.000Of course, this is going to create an insurgency.
01:17:47.000Of course, this is going to create a dislike of the Well, I'm glad that film got released, and I hope that the people listening to this show will make a point of finding it on Google, because it is a lesson in what war is like.
01:18:05.000Particularly a war where, as is the case here in both Iraq and Afghanistan, our troops fighting there have very, very little Exposure to the culture of the country.
01:18:19.000I'm talking about the people on the ground now.
01:18:25.000They rely on interpreters who are often not the most reliable people around.
01:18:33.000And there are so many other things to see on the web.
01:18:35.000There's another story on the web about Fallujah.
01:18:39.000Fallujah was the city which America made a point of attacking heavily in 2004, and created a great number of civilian casualties.
01:18:52.000And there's an article now about, because they used updated uranium in the weaponry there, and they also used the, they used a lot of new weapons, which probably by UN standards are illegal weapons.
01:19:08.000And what really, what really horrifies me I'd forgotten it, but at the time the New York Times reported that we had bombed a civilian hospital, and the reason that America bombed a hospital in Fallujah was because it was the source Of what the Times called rumors that there were large numbers of civilian casualties.
01:19:32.000Well, there were large numbers of civilian casualties.
01:19:36.000And these are not isolated incidents, Peter.
01:19:38.000We have to point out that these are happening more and more and more.
01:19:42.000And our military is shielding them from view.
01:19:44.000If we didn't have WikiLeaks, this wouldn't even be out there.
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01:24:15.000I am Jason Burmess, sitting in, talking with Peter.
01:24:19.000And Peter, these aren't isolated incidents.
01:24:22.000These are just the ones that are caught on film and sometimes, sometimes leaked to the public.
01:24:27.000And without an organization like WikiLeaks that has been targeted by intelligence, we wouldn't know about these things.
01:24:35.000And one of the things that you said in the interview that I'm probably going to be paraphrasing right now that I did include in my film is, With the continuity of government program, with non-constitutional authorities in control, we somehow have to mobilize a mass movement, and we have to use the technology at our fingertips, a.k.a.
01:25:00.000I mean, the big difference between these two wars we have now, Iraq and Afghanistan, and the Vietnam War back in the 60s and 70s, was that The press was, compared to today, relatively independent.
01:25:17.000It wasn't totally independent, but there were journalists who came back and were reporting the truth about Vietnam, even in the New York Times.
01:25:27.000And the Pentagon has taken major steps to make sure that never happens again.
01:25:32.000So now all the journalists are embedded.
01:25:35.000And thank goodness we have the Internet, which is performing today the role which the Journalists like David Halberstam and Malcolm Brown performed back in the 60s.
01:25:48.000So yes, I think as citizens it's our duty if we are loyal to the country.
01:25:56.000I say this as a Canadian, but I feel loyal to America, the country.
01:26:01.000It's a duty to inform ourselves about the realities in Iraq and Afghanistan.
01:26:08.000Wikileaks, I just tested, if you just type Google for Wikileaks, you get right away the video that Jason was talking about a minute ago, or if you type in William Blum and Fallujah, F-A-L-L-U-J-A-H, you will get this story that Bill Blum has just done about how now there are an appalling number of birth defects in Fallujah because of the
01:26:37.000Really illegal munitions, like depleted uranium, that were used there.
01:26:43.000So, what we need are citizens informing themselves by going to the Internet.
01:26:50.000And I'm hopeful, in my book, The Road to 9-11, it's filled with depressing facts, but I'm not really a pessimist.
01:27:01.000I'm an optimist about this country, because there are decent people in it.
01:27:04.000But I think that we have to appeal to the decency of Americans of all stripes to say, although Americans disagree with each other all the time, that's the flavor of life in this country, that there should be also some things which we agree upon and bring us together.
01:27:23.000We don't want a country that tortures.
01:27:26.000We don't want a government that invades foreign countries gratuitously.
01:28:18.000Yeah, well, I think the best proof that we went in for the oil is, as I say in my book, The Road to 9-11, before 9-11, in the very first months of the George W. Bush first administration, Cheney was set up in charge of a task force Cheney was set up in charge of a task force on energy.
01:28:38.000And they've been very -- even though it was a public body, they've not released any -- they've released almost no documents from that task force.
01:28:51.000But they did release two after a bitter court fight.
01:28:55.000And these were two maps of Iraq, which were all sliced up, showing where the oil was.
01:29:02.000I mean, we had no reason to be at war with Iraq then, but they were planning then how to divide up the oil.
01:29:12.000And the first administrator who was sent there in 2003, he had a sort of free enterprise notion that the American country companies to come in right away and take over the oil field, which produced a lot of reaction in Iraq, obviously.
01:29:30.000Peter Dale Scott actually highlights massive amounts of this very damning evidence in his many books.
01:29:36.000We're going to come back after the break and take your call specifically for Peter, and I also want to get into the money laundering aspect of this drug running out of Afghanistan, whether it be BCCI of yesteryear.
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01:33:38.000Now, before I go back to Peter Dale Scott, I want to read just a little subsection out of his latest article, which is entitled, triumph in drug-addicted war in Afghanistan?
01:33:49.000Opium, the CIA, and the Karzai administration.
01:33:53.000Other institutions with a direct stake in the international drug traffic include major banks, which make loans to countries like Colombia and Mexico, knowing full well that drugs flow with...
01:34:03.000drug flows will help underwrite the loan's repayment.
01:34:07.000A number of the biggest banks, including Citibank, Bank of New York, and the Bank of Boston have been identified as money laundering conduits, yet never have faced penalties serious enough to change their behavior.
01:34:20.000In short, United States' involvement in the international drug traffic links the CIA major financial interests and criminal interests in this country and abroad.
01:34:30.000Can you elaborate on that for us, Peter?
01:34:33.000Yes, well, I think you said before the break that we might talk about the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, BCCI.
01:34:42.000At the very beginning of the first American involvement in Afghanistan, well, I mean the first military involvement, was in 1980.
01:34:55.000All the American equipment that was shipped there was shipped through bank accounts of BCCI and the ships of something called Gokal Shipping, which was the same people essentially.
01:35:11.000And they were people involved in the drug traffic, and the BCCI was eventually closed down in 1990 because of drug trafficking or drug money laundering, but it was a bank that the CIA was, I shouldn't say the CIA, but it was a bank that the CIA was, I shouldn't say the CIA, the head of the CIA, William Casey, that regularly in Washington and also in Asia with the head of met regularly in Washington and also in Asia with the head of BCCI.
01:35:40.000I think it was no accident that we chose a drug money laundering bank because there's huge amounts of money involved in drug trafficking and in money laundering.
01:35:56.000In my film, I actually show a news clip of, I believe it's either NBC or CBS, with them admitting that William Casey had come clean and said that the U.S. did use BCCI to fund some of its covert operations.
01:36:11.000I mean, this is out in the open, mainstream media, and CNN International reported that bin Laden was also funded through BCCI back in the day.
01:36:22.000Yes, and I have another book coming out next fall, which I'm not quite sure about the title.
01:36:28.000It'll either be The Road to Afghanistan or The War Machine.
01:36:32.000You can keep up with it just by Googling for me, Peter Dale Scott, and what you'll see right away is my website, and the information will be there.
01:36:42.000But I'm going to be pointing out, I have a whole chapter in that book about how there have been a number of banks that serve the purposes both of the CIA and also of organized crime.
01:36:56.000Including major mob figures, and the most notorious example of this, which also was closed down after it was exposed, was the Castle Bank Trust in the Bahamas.
01:37:09.000And I show that there are connections, or the Nugent Hand Bank in Australia, which was a bank which financed the first major shipments of opium and heroin out of Southeast Asia into Australia back in the 70s.
01:37:24.000And I show that there is a kind of continuity underlying all of these banks, and they go back to a very strange figure.
01:37:33.000Paul Helliwell, who was a major figure for the CIA and OPC and helped set up the support networks that were operative in Thailand and Burma.
01:37:47.000But he also was the counsel for a bank which Meyer Lansky used to launder drug funds coming out of Southeast Asia.
01:37:56.000And that underworld CIA connection, I think, merits more attention than it gets.
01:38:01.000It's very difficult to learn anything about Paul Helliwell.
01:38:06.000But most... Anyway, you have to go to my book to see what it's all about.
01:38:12.000But that's a factor in You know, there are all kinds of people in the CIA.
01:38:18.000There's one corner of the CIA, the corner which absorbs the old OPC, where all the drug trafficking business began.
01:38:28.000That has been a factor in our politics abroad and, I suggest, also perhaps in our politics at home as well.
01:38:40.000I think that this really goes to the very heart of the issue that we go into these nations, they become even larger drug dealers than they were before.
01:38:52.000covert operations and the CIA in cases like Iran-Contra, in cases like MENA-Arkansas, now in cases Like Afghanistan, right out in the open.
01:39:02.000And like you said, they launder this money through these big banks.
01:39:06.000But even with the BCCI banking scandal and it going down in the 90s, not many people were prosecuted.
01:39:12.000And it just continues under these new banks.
01:39:16.000How does it go from one organization, because obviously BCCI was really set up to Well, I think the involvement of Citibank and Bank of Boston is a bit different.
01:39:45.000The charge against BCCI was that they were actually involved in making the drug deals and making the connections that were set up between the CIA and people in Afghanistan who became drug traffickers.
01:40:02.000This is very extreme, because before 1979, Afghanistan was not really a player in the international heroin traffic at all.
01:40:13.000Hashish, yes, and there still is a market for Afghan hashish, but heroin was Not produced locally.
01:40:22.000Opium was not produced in any great extent, except for local consumption, which was not huge.
01:40:30.000And now, of course, it's 93% of the world, so you've got to say that the CIA bears a large share of the responsibility for this.
01:40:39.000And we don't get anyone moving to end it.
01:40:43.000And this is where I would bring in Citibank and Bank of Boston.
01:40:47.000But why should they want to see the drug trade end?
01:40:52.000Back in 1982, for example, Mexico was about to default on its debt payments to the banks.
01:41:02.000And this would have meant technically, because these were very major loans, that technically Bank of America, the Citibank, would have been technically bankrupt.
01:41:14.000And so America, Reagan stepped in and lent our money, your money, my money, tax money, to Mexico to continue its payments.
01:41:24.000Before they did that, they had the CIA do an estimate of how much of Mexico's foreign exchange earnings were coming from the drug trade, and the CIA produced this report, which is actually reproduced in a book called Underground Empire, saying that For Colombia and Mexico, 75% of the foreign exchange earnings are earned from the drug trade.
01:41:50.000Well, those are the earnings that Mexico could then use to pay the interest payments on its loans to the Citibank.
01:41:58.000So there is no will in the financial superstructure of our country to end this drug trade, which helps us in this extraordinary position of being the world's largest debtor.
01:42:12.000And also pretending to be, I don't know, I don't think it may be true for much longer, the world's largest power.
01:42:19.000This is a history of the decline of empires, which we saw in the case of Britain in my lifetime and in the cases of Well, what we're seeing really is a symbiotic relationship between these banks and global drug trafficking.
01:42:37.000It only benefits them on every single level.
01:42:40.000Let's take some calls for Peter Dale Scott.
01:42:50.000Yes, I guess some of the only questions I could ask for him would be What would your comments be on his thoughts about secret societies and was he part of a secret society himself?
01:43:03.000And another question I would have, just to finish it up, would be do you think that it can still be argued that Some of the main reasons that he was assassinated was because he was going to get us out of Vietnam, he was going to abolish the Federal Reserve, and he wanted to, as he put it, shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces.
01:43:20.000And of course you're talking about JFK.
01:43:22.000Let's get Peter Dale Scott's take on John F. Kennedy.
01:43:24.000Well, there are two questions there to take me, the JFK question first.
01:43:28.000I can say with confidence, and I think it's now historians are finally agreeing with me, though it took them a while, that yes, Kennedy did have a plan That had been approved as a National Security Action Memorandum to withdraw the bulk of U.S.
01:43:45.000troops from Vietnam by the end of 1965, starting with 1,000 troops by the end of 1963, and that plan was overruled almost immediately when Kennedy was killed.
01:43:59.000That doesn't prove that that's why Kennedy was killed, but it certainly You had not only this consequence, but it was a suppressed consequence that we didn't know the facts about this until much later.
01:44:14.000I know that there's also the charge that he was going to end the Federal Reserve, and that I'm still investigating.
01:44:24.000It's worthy of investigation, but I can't because I have to get multiple sources for any claim I make.
01:44:34.000I see it on the web a great deal, and I should say that's worthy of investigation.
01:45:02.000You have Skull and Bones at Yale, which had both candidates in the 2004 election, George W. Bush and also John Kerry.
01:45:13.000I think that's a symptom of a larger phenomenon.
01:45:16.000It's not really whether you were in a secret society or not, but the extent to which what I call the overworld runs this country.
01:45:25.000with elite backgrounds who go to elite universities and make friendships with other people there.
01:45:31.000I think that in the CIA, the early years of the CIA, I think secret societies did play something of a role there, but that's because of the high percentage of overworld people in the CIA.
01:45:46.000And there was actually a Hollywood movie that they put out where they kind of showed the evolution of Skull and Bones as a recruiting ground for these intelligence agencies.
01:45:55.000You know, if we want to understand this country, we need to inform ourselves about Skull and Bones, too.
01:46:00.000But, you know, people are always looking, when I think of all the secret societies that people have pointed to as really running the country, Skull and Bones, or Opus Dei, or the Knights of Malta, there's so many different candidates.
01:46:15.000Council on Foreign Relations is not really a secret society, but it's up there.
01:46:20.000They're all aspects of the overworld, and they overlap with each other.
01:46:34.000It seems you talked earlier about the United States foreign policy and how that often supports and mingles with drug growers.
01:46:46.000During Vietnam, the CIA interfaced with Kunsan in the Golden Triangle for heroin and opium, obviously.
01:46:56.000The Contras in South America for cocaine, and now again Afghanistan for opium.
01:47:03.000But there's been a number of allegations that not only is our foreign policy coupled with these traffickers, But members of our federal government, particularly the CIA, or even the military, actually bring narcotics into the country and sell them here, or basically use them to get funds for the arms trade.
01:47:32.000Is your experience and your research, are those allegations credible and where are the best sources?
01:47:41.000I do delve into this in Invisible Empire and a lot of times they'll use proxy nations for plausible deniability.
01:47:47.000In other words, during the Iran-Contra affair, what did they do?
01:47:51.000Israel buy the arms, they put out the front money, then the United States would take those arms, fly them down to South America, and then they would have their assets fly back, usually not military personnel.
01:48:03.000I know that I have a guy named Mike Tolliver and others talking about how they would fly the drugs into places like Homestead Air Force Base, and we know Barry Seal and MENA Arkansas, so they always try to use Well, I think, again, there's something to investigate here, and I'm not going to give as clear an answer as I'm sure the questioner would like.
01:48:21.000murky by using other nations in these international intelligence crimes.
01:48:27.000Well, I think, again, there's something to investigate here, and I'm not going to give as clear an answer as I'm sure the questioner would like.
01:48:36.000During the Vietnam War, we know now that drugs came back to this country in body bags of the cadavers as the victims of the Vietnam War.
01:48:47.000I think it's a horrible, gruesome story, but it's true.
01:49:37.000Every single one of the sources I mentioned You can't call them impartial or objective.
01:49:44.000They're people with a stake in this matter.
01:49:47.000But I would think that if this war goes on much longer, we can predict something like this will happen.
01:49:54.000I would think it would happen in the same way that happened before, not because the people at the top have said, hey, this is a neat way to get money into the country, but because you set up a large, you have a lot of planes flying in and out.
01:50:11.000In the case of Colombia, I predicted in 1990, when the first President Bush announced his Andean initiative, there was supposed to be a war on drugs down there.
01:50:22.000I said, I'll bet you we'll have more drugs coming into this country as a result.
01:50:29.000Within 10 years, the acreage devoted to coca growing in Colombia had trebled as a result of our war on drugs, because you have all the planes going in and out, and people having a chance to make a private fortune off of it.
01:53:03.000It is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
01:53:06.000America's government is no longer the servant of the people and the protector of our liberty, but has become that fearful master.
01:53:12.000We the people must understand the nature of this government gone awry if we are to be successful in saving our country.
01:53:18.000America is being deliberately destroyed by a cabal of international gangsters so that she can be forced into subjugation to a one-world government.
01:53:25.000The God-given, unalienable rights of the Declaration of Independence are in jeopardy.
01:53:29.000We must not let them be stolen by ambitious and evil men.
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01:54:47.000And we've only got a couple minutes left, Peter.
01:54:49.000So I'm really going to give you the floor.
01:54:51.000What do you think is the most important issue today with this opium drug trafficking that obviously our Central Intelligence Agency has some role in?
01:55:02.000Well, first of all, I think we need to get out the truth that we...
01:55:10.000We're told now that opium in Afghanistan is controlled by the Taliban.
01:55:17.000Yes, they have a piece of it, but a much bigger, maybe 5%, maybe 10%, but a much bigger share is people who are behind the Karzai government.
01:55:30.000You know, America has done a great deal to create this mess in Afghanistan.
01:55:35.000I don't want us just to walk away as we did in 1991.
01:55:42.000I want to end a military incursion that isn't working and replace it with civilian help to the right-minded civilian people there.
01:55:53.000This is a different kind of anti-war message But I think it's one that is necessary, and if we don't, I predict that America can find itself in a much worse war a year or two from now than it is even at the present time.
01:56:11.000So I think it's very urgent, and I hope you're still listening.
01:56:16.000And Peter, of course, is featured in my latest, my greatest film, Invisible Empire, New World Order to find.
01:57:13.000To not be morally degraded as a society.
01:57:17.000To be a society, when we see our troops acting in a manner of randomly killing reporters and civilians, to stand up and say, no, that's enough.
01:57:28.000Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't say more about continuity of government on this show, because that is a big important aspect that is worth getting into, and that's something else you can Google for, or particularly on my website.
01:57:43.000Absolutely, and some of the best insight out there on the continuity of government program is through Peter Dale Scott.
01:57:49.000A lot of people still scoff at the idea that a shadow government could even exist.
01:57:54.000They think it's something that's only in spy novels and James Bond movies, Peter, but it's very real indeed, isn't it?
01:58:01.000Well, we had a group of people planning for the suspension of the Constitution, which was implemented on September the 11th.
01:58:08.000Some of those people weren't even in the government, and The miracle is that because the media has never really talked plainly about this, most people don't know that these plans were implemented on September the 11th.
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02:00:06.000Thank you so much for joining us on this live Monday edition.
02:00:10.000Katherine Austen-Fitz to talk about the economy, the police state, the New World Order, the nature of the elites is coming up in the next segment.
02:00:20.000Let's go ahead and take some more calls.
02:00:52.000Well they're a revolving door in homeland security and it's the same in Europe where when somebody's in homeland security they give them the contracts and then five years later they move into that company as an executive.
02:01:04.000Absolutely, and one of the biggest issues is that Congress, the headquarters is in Israel, as well as all these other sub-companies or umbrella companies like Verint and Norris and all these other companies, but they have contracts now with American telecom communication companies, and now each and every single telephone across North America is linked to Israeli intelligence through this system, because it's all linked up to Congress.
02:01:47.000And if you do your research far enough, it leaks all the way back down to Sourcefire, which their major clients are American Defense Department, the National Security Department, and a lot of these people think if, when they go online and they think that they're safe through these security companies, but one of the major companies that I found that was connected to these things is VeriSign.