Aaron Dykes was at a free speech event with Karl Rove when he was arrested and taken into custody for a question and answer. He was released about an hour later, but not before he posted a video of the incident on YouTube.
00:01:11.000I need to speak with a supervisor now.
00:01:14.000Okay, so this is a First Amendment issue.
00:01:16.000Remember under Bush, they would have town hall meetings when they were open to the public, but they would make you sign a pledge not to ask mean questions or that you agreed with Bush or Cheney.
00:01:27.000They would also go into parking lots and find anti-war bumper stickers and follow people in and arrest them.
00:01:37.000Now what happened is, they had said that Karl Rove was going to give a speech at UT last night to a packed ballroom of over 500 people that was open to the public and free, no stipulations, and that he was going to have a question and answer.
00:01:52.000And the same thing that happened to me back in 98 with Bush when he was governor.
00:01:54.000They said they were going to have a press conference.
00:03:04.000Aaron, after he says thank you, and is about to be asked questions off cue cards, Aaron brings up some important issues about the Downing Street memo, White House memo, that are declassified the last four years and publicly admit that the White House premeditatedly lied about WMDs.
00:03:19.000They weren't wrong, they didn't get it wrong, they knew they were lying.
00:03:23.000They even talked about, in the White House memo, shooting down a U.S.
00:03:26.000aircraft or getting it shot down or a U.N.
00:04:36.000Go out and have a meeting with them about that, because I want to find out exactly what we're going to do, and then we'll find out.
00:04:42.000And we'll get Aaron's story here in just a moment, but it's better to just play it live since we're at PrisonPlanet.tv than wait until Aaron goes and takes a nap and then does it.
00:04:52.000But InfoWars journalist arrested, hailed for asking Karl Rove a question during UT appearance.
00:05:02.000And it says Aaron waited until it was question time, and rather than sit through the pre-selected controlled media questions, Aaron wanted to know about the Downing Street Memo.
00:05:09.000And so, Rob Jacobson stood up and shouted in agreement with Aaron.
00:05:18.000So Aaron was in the University of Texas detainment area, in the offices with the police.
00:05:26.000I talked to him after he got out, and they were coming over to Aaron saying, we're going to charge you with resisting.
00:05:30.000So that's why it's in our article that they were going to charge him with resisting.
00:05:33.000They ended up charging him with something else, because Aaron pointed out, this is all on video, you're not going to get away with this.
00:05:39.000And so Aaron, we're going to play this video, unedited, for the first time, I haven't even seen this, from your camera, what happened, but break down what happened last night.
00:05:49.000Roe was such a pernicious liar and manipulator of public truth and he just staged the whole thing making comments about how this is his free speech and not the liberals and then only after someone interrupts does he finally say yes there will be questions after they said there will be none but he says they will be from pre-written cards that are only for Democrats or Republicans and you line up And my question didn't fit into the category.
00:06:40.000Yeah, they were surrounding me, and as soon as they got the chance, they grabbed me by the elbow, jerked me back, and I heard the cops saying, stop resisting arrest.
00:07:33.000Analysis of key issues the nation faces currently, including health care, the economy, and protection of individual liberties.
00:07:39.000And I have a separate article about the George W. Bush Center in Dallas calling for defending internet freedom and having a big conference yesterday.
00:07:48.000They passed the Patriot Act, they write White House memos about torturing children in front of their parents, burying people alive, killing them, raping them is good.
00:07:57.000They start cyber security that lets the feds take over the web.
00:08:03.000I mean, even CNET News calls it the end of the free internet.
00:08:07.000They're the ones that engineered this.
00:08:09.000Obama's taken the baton in this relay race, and then he's at UT, according to this, Doing a national tour about freedom of speech, and then here they are doing this to you.
00:08:19.000I haven't had a chance to see his speech yet.
00:08:21.000I mean, did he talk about freedom of speech?
00:08:23.000Oh yeah, and he makes jokes about it, and talks about how he's never allowed to speak.
00:08:27.000He's the one with the microphone, knowing that there's no microphone set up for audience questions, and he's not really interacting with the audience.
00:08:35.000There is no free speech if you don't like Karl Rove at an event.
00:09:09.000They did nothing but shred the Constitution and now that Obama's in power...
00:09:13.000They'll make issue of freedom of speech.
00:09:15.000Well, they're going to ride back to power because, I mean, he was the guy that brought Rick Perry up in to politics and George Bush.
00:09:21.000I mean, he was the kingmaker for both.
00:09:23.000And he's the one telling Perry to say, Texas will secede.
00:09:26.000We're fighting the new world order now.
00:09:28.000I got to go to the Bilderberg Group in 10 minutes.
00:09:30.000Yeah, I mean, Rove tracks back to so much Dirty Laundry, but the bottom line point is he didn't allow anyone to speak and it's just a travesty, really.
00:09:40.000Now, when I talked to Aaron after they'd arrested... I mean, when I talked to...
00:09:46.000Rob Jacobson, after they'd arrested you, they were saying they were going to charge you, he said, when you were in the cell with him before they moved you to the Travis County Jail, that they were going to charge you with resisting?
00:11:29.000We shot these on small flip phones, or flip cameras, we call them flip phones, because those were easy to sneak in because they were saying no filming, right?
00:11:38.000Yeah, I mean, they're totally draconian.
00:11:39.000And this is one of those things put on by the Republican Party.
00:11:42.000They snicker at everyone who's in opposition.
00:11:44.000But this is at a state university, supposedly open to the public, but you don't bring your video cameras.
00:11:49.000It's open, but they control every parameter.
00:11:51.000And if you speak out, you're arrested and dragged out.
00:12:01.000They acknowledged there will be disruptors and there's various viewpoints.
00:12:05.000And so the police came up and they announced they would warn people three times, then arrest them.
00:12:10.000And then when someone does disrupt, they have a speaker to stand up for Roeb and say, we ask that you stop speaking just so they can talk over him, you see, so that their question can't be heard.
00:12:20.000And so Karl Rove takes a break and they say, we ask that you stop speaking, you'll be removed from the university.
00:12:25.000I've seen this at the Petraeus speeches and other Rove speeches.
00:12:31.000And let's be clear, he was done with his speech and they were saying, we're now going to go to these cue cards.
00:12:36.000Yeah, I mean his speech was so boring I didn't think it would be worthwhile to interrupt it.
00:12:40.000The only reason I did interrupt at all is because there was no free speech.
00:12:44.000You had to be a pre-written cue card, Republican or Democrat, I'm not that.
00:12:48.000But yes, I waited until he said thank you, indicating the end of his speech after he wrapped it up and said, you know, Obama's not so bad after all since he continues that war.
00:16:12.000It's not our everyday point, but the way they control politics on college campuses, you know, is the embryo of the weak party system we have today that makes things so bad.
00:16:20.000Well, Karl Rove, you know, he likes all those midnight visits that came out in the news.
00:16:26.000You know, that's neither here nor there, I guess.
00:16:28.000It's all just a big, but he's conservative, though.
00:16:50.000I really didn't want to get arrested, but sometimes it has to be done.
00:16:54.000Well, I mean, in the old days, I guess I've got to start going to these, I would get up and, you know, ask questions of Reno and other people and Barry McCaffrey and others, and they didn't arrest me.
00:17:15.000And you've had armed security guards of the Federal Reserve a half mile away come to a city park and tell you to turn a camera off or they're going to arrest you for handling their guns.
00:17:23.000Oh yeah, we've been through some adventures.
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00:22:11.000It's happening to more and more people.
00:22:13.000And that's why they've hired provocateurs to dress up as anarchists since Seattle in 99 to attack police and others.
00:22:20.000And it's come out in every case it was staged to then scare other Americans from going out and demonstrating because you're met by police in riot gear beating their shields and firing tear gas, pepper spray, and rubber bullets at you.
00:22:34.000Famous video in Miami of peaceful people with signs being shot with rubber bullets and going through the sign and blooding their face.
00:22:40.000And then the cops after the event videotaping their after action.
00:22:45.000Hey, did you see how funny it was when we shot through that sign and shot that lady in the face?
00:23:18.000And then they got a bunch of phone calls down there, and they did tell Aaron they got phone calls, so the We Are Change fellow and Aaron were released.
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00:25:25.000All right, we're reaching the halfway point in the radio broadcast up Dr. Bob Bowman joins us coming up, and then an Oklahoma City bombing survivor who says it was an inside job and saw McVeigh and the government inside wiring the building.
00:27:51.000With 101 combat missions over Vietnam, he holds a Ph.D.
00:27:54.000in aeronautics and nuclear engineering.
00:27:58.000And despite his involvement in the space program and defense, he emerged as an early public critic of the Strategic Defense Initiative, SDI, a.k.a.
00:28:05.000Star Wars, during the Reagan administration.
00:28:07.000He's also a critic of George W. Bush's administration's national missile system.
00:28:11.000And he's a 9-11 researcher, truther, He's a great man, and we're honored to have him on with us.
00:28:19.000We're going to talk first, before he gets parked, about the latest 9-11 truth, about the talk of Iran supposedly having a nuke, and they're going to nuke us.
00:28:28.000The government now saying Homeland Security's number one threat is the American people.
00:28:32.000I mean, we knew this was really being set up in the shadows, but now it's out in the open.
00:28:36.000The draconian Orwellian system we're sliding into.
00:28:40.000We're going to discuss this first with Dr. Bob Bowman, then we're going to get into Star Wars.
00:28:45.000How advanced it was, what he can talk about that's been declassified or leaked that he's allowed to discuss, versus what he projects they've got today.
00:28:53.000Dr. Bob Bowman, good to have you here with us.
00:28:58.000There is so much going on, so much happening, but before we got a break, what do you think of 15 months into Barack Obama's administration?
00:29:12.000Like so many, I'm very disappointed, particularly with the expansion of the war in Afghanistan and extending it into Pakistan and even talking now, he hasn't, but others talking about the possibility of going into Iran and the new justifications of that based on this supposed Pentagon
00:29:42.000determination that gee whiz they might have not only nuclear weapons but intercontinental ballistic missiles by 2015 if they get enough foreign help.
00:29:53.000I think that's a bunch of baloney myself.
00:29:58.000Ballistic missiles are an extremely advanced high technology project and there are very few countries in the world that can pull that off.
00:30:12.000And some of them have been trying for decades, like North Korea, without success.
00:30:22.000I think this is just another justification doing for what a minority in the Pentagon want to do, and whether they're doing it because The Israelis want to do it, or they're doing it for some other dumb reason, I don't know.
00:30:42.000But with our military already overextended and depleted and demoralized, it would be a horrendous mistake.
00:30:54.000Iran is much stronger militarily, a much larger country than Iraq.
00:31:07.000I mean, it would be, I think, the end of the United States as we know it.
00:31:14.000Well, sir, I heard Fox News last night on the radio saying Iran now has intercontinental ballistic long-range missiles and we've got to go in.
00:31:23.000And it's all over the news today, just like they said Iraq had nukes or WMDs.
00:31:28.000I mean, this is a replay of 2003, is it not?
00:31:31.000Of course it is, and it's total malarkey.
00:31:36.000We're going to come right back and get into this disaster for the United States.
00:31:40.000We've got the Russian president saying it could be the beginning of World War III.
00:31:44.000We're going to talk about it all on the other side with Dr. Bob Bowman.
00:31:49.000And we'll discuss homeland security now, saying they're worried about Iran nuking us with a suitcase nuke and working with domestic groups.
00:31:57.000Homeland security's got to be used on the right-wingers now.
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00:35:36.000in aeronautics and nuclear engineering, flew 101 combat missions over Vietnam, bombing missions.
00:35:44.000And he joins us today, and we really appreciate him coming on.
00:35:48.000For stations that just joined us, some people that just joined us, we were talking about the new hype to go into Iran.
00:35:53.000They're changing the last letter of Iraq, the Q, And putting an N on it to make Iran.
00:36:01.000And they're saying they've got secret nuclear technology nobody else has got with no proof to make enriched uranium, weapons-grade uranium without centrifuges.
00:36:12.000They're saying they've got ICBMs that can hit us now.
00:36:16.000The Pentagon says maybe in five years.
00:36:24.000Sometimes they go up a few thousand feet.
00:36:26.000I mean, even our own government, the 50s, 60s, and 70s had large portions of their ICBMs when they were being tested blowing up or blowing up before they left the atmosphere.
00:36:35.000But oh no, and they've got magnetic pulse weapons, the news says, that can destroy all electronics.
00:36:41.000Here's Reuters, Iran missile may be able to hit U.S.
00:36:44.000Here's another one, Times of London, Pentagon chiefs raise threat of attack as Iran taunts U.S.
00:36:52.000So we can show our weapons, but they can't.
00:36:55.000And here's another one, Al-Qaeda chief in Iraq, captured, killed, never actually existed, recaptured, now killed again.
00:37:02.000They've announced over and over again they kill these Al-Qaeda guys and never retract the last guy they killed, even though they claim they kill them again.
00:37:09.000And then here's another one over here, where they're claiming that Fox News is claiming that I'm looking for my article, just printed again, a Fox News headline, Osama Bin Laden has a Facebook, and then it admits to the next line it's not even him.
00:37:24.000So anybody could create a Facebook, say they're threatening us as Osama Bin Laden, and it always turns out it's fake, but that's the proof that they're going to kill us if we don't give all our rights up.
00:37:34.000And as it went to break, Dr. Bowman, you were saying this is all a fraud, and that this could basically end the United States.
00:37:44.000Well, we're being lied to again, as you know, about all this stuff about Iran, as justification for the war that a few people want to get us into, as if we didn't have enough illegal corporate wars of aggression right now.
00:38:04.000And if we take on Iran, which is Much bigger and more powerful than Iraq was, and we're still bogged down in Iraq.
00:38:19.000Where are we going to get the military for that?
00:38:23.000Our military is already overextended with what they've got on their plate.
00:38:28.000And, of course, what is Russia going to do?
00:38:54.000It would be another false attack based on lies.
00:39:01.000And I don't think they're going to do it because
00:39:09.000Most of the people surrounding Obama are neocons, well they're trilateral commission, they're globalists, but most of them are not neocons, and I think they're a little more rational than Cheney and his minions pulling George W. Bush's strings.
00:39:33.000So, and the people in the Pentagon now, Are more rational than Rumsfeld and some of the generals he had working for him.
00:39:47.000So I don't see them succeeding in pulling this off, even with this massive campaign of lies.
00:39:57.000But, you know, I'm going to work very hard to prevent it.
00:40:01.000And I'll probably have to put out another open letter to the Pentagon, just like I did Uh, in 2007, to keep Cheney from attacking Iran then, I'm gonna have to do it again.
00:40:15.000Doctor, let me stop you there and we'll go over some of what you said in your letter, and they did listen to you.
00:40:19.000We had Fox Fallon refuse in 2008 to launch an attack on Iran then, so they've had a lot of people resign that basically stopped Cheney, and how that ties into 888.
00:40:30.000For those who don't know, the Times of London and other publications have now talked to diplomats and others who were in the meetings when Cheney engineered through NATO and Georgia and Israel the sneak attack on South Ossetia to test the Russians.
00:40:47.000And that Cheney was saying, let's go ahead and have a nuclear war with them.
00:40:51.000And the head of the Russian general staff, the Air Force head, went on TV three days into it because they were landing more NATO forces in Georgian capital and said, we may have to have a nuclear war with you.
00:41:05.000And so this shows the megalomania, and it appears with Gates and others that we still have the Cheney people in there, and they're replaying all the same propaganda that we saw before Oklahoma City, before 9-11, And before the Iraq war, all rolled into one.
00:41:22.000We've got FEMA drills of improvised nuclear devices going off.
00:41:26.000We've got Obama saying the number one threat to America is now domestic groups or Iran setting off nukes inside the U.S.
00:41:34.000Again, Dr. Bowman, couldn't they stage a false flag terror attack in the United States to blame it on Iran?
00:41:45.000It appears they're going forward with this, and absent a huge false flag, or a nuke going off in Paris, who knows what, staged by the military-industrial complex, how are they going to get this, and is that a danger?
00:42:00.000The only way they would succeed in getting a war against Iran is another false flag attack like 9-11, blaming it on Iran.
00:42:15.000And, you know, back a couple years ago when that B-52 flew from Minot to Barksdale, as far as I know, there's still possibly one nuclear weapon missing from that bomber.
00:42:35.000If the neocons have that, then they could use it in a false flag attack on Iran, claiming that Iran smuggled it in in a suitcase.
00:42:52.000They can't simulate an intercontinental ballistic missile attack on the United States.
00:43:10.000A false flag attack is the only way they're going to pull this off.
00:43:15.000And the thing is that the 9-11 Truth Movement is extremely valuable because we're continually letting them know that we're watching.
00:43:26.000And if they try something else like they did in 9-11, they've got to know that we're watching and we're liable to catch them red-handed, and that'll be the end of them.
00:43:36.000And so, that's one of the great values of 9-11 Truth.
00:43:41.000It is deterring them from this kind of thing.
00:43:46.000But I know there are some crazies there who would like to try it anyway.
00:43:51.000Well, let's take the Minot, Dakota situation where they flew them down to Louisiana.
00:43:57.000And again, the reports are there is a missing nuke.
00:44:02.000And then more than a dozen of the people who were at the bases who blew the whistle committed suicide or died within a week, which adds another layer of evidence that this was an attempt To smuggle a nuke out of the chain of custody with the military.
00:44:19.000And again, for those who don't understand what me and Dr. Bob Bowman are getting at here, you have to put your mind in the mind, put yourself in the mind of the globalists, of the controllers, to realize how they're doing all of this.
00:44:32.000And they'll never get away with an Iran attack without staging an event.
00:44:36.000And then now FEMA, these secret documents, Got leaked.
00:44:41.000FEMA admits they're real, but is ordering websites to remove them.
00:44:44.000That in May, they were going to have multiple simulated improvised nuclear device detonations in different parts of the U.S.
00:44:54.000Clearly, we know they've used drills in the past to smokescreen their real operations.
00:45:05.000Dr. Bob Bowman, why is that so important?
00:45:08.000Well, it confuses people who are trying to defend against something.
00:45:15.000The exercises going on on 9-11, of course, kept a lot of our interceptors away from protecting the Northeast Corridor and also confused the radar and the controllers and Made it much easier for Cheney or whoever to get away with their stand down order.
00:45:45.000And they get to bootleg the actual attack through the drill funding.
00:45:52.000And if other good elements of the government, 99% not involved, catch them in the act, they can just say it's part of a drill.
00:46:18.000Dr. Bob Bowman, we're going to break and come back and continue to discuss false flag terrorism and your concern and time frames and how you think we can stop this.
00:46:27.000I agree with you that it is essential, that it is vital that 9-11 Truth continue to expand.
00:46:35.000We've also seen preparatory demonization of 9-11 Truth, claiming we're going to stage terror attack by CNN, MSNBC and Fox News the last three months.
00:46:44.000As a preparatory event so that they can try to discredit us or maybe even claim we're involved when the attacks take place.
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00:49:33.000I believe first of all that we now need nothing short of a world constitution for the global financial system.
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00:51:56.000summit, they're now saying domestic groups are going to attack.
00:51:59.000Bill Clinton's saying domestic groups are going to attack, that the Tea Parties and people should shut up about the banking bailout, or we're going to cause a terror attack.
00:52:07.000I mean, I've seen this over and over again.
00:52:09.000In my gut, there's no doubt they're moving with domestic attacks to blame it on domestic groups, blowing up federal buildings, and seriously considering detonating a nuke and saying Iran smuggled it in.
00:53:12.000Going back to 888 briefly, then we're going to come back and get into what's happening with the economy and Star Wars and other issues you'd like to discuss, and how we can reach out to the Pentagon.
00:53:24.000888, the bottom line on what happened there, and what type of window does that give us into the psyche and into the war planning of the people running our government?
00:53:39.000Well, first, tell me what you mean by 888.
00:53:45.000888, the situation in 2008, the operations by Georgia against South Ossetia.
00:53:57.000Well, we know that that was orchestrated by elements of the United States and as a provocation to Russia.
00:54:11.000Russia came in to protect its people, but it, I think, exercised admirable restraint by not going all the way and taking over Georgia.
00:54:28.000But what does that say about the psyche of Dick Cheney, that it's now come out in mainstream news that he wanted to go ahead and have a nuclear war with Russia?
00:54:38.000Well, he's the same kind of megalomaniac, evil genius that Kurt LeMay was at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
00:54:50.000I mean, when JFK and Khrushchev were able to defuse the Cuban Missile Crisis, General Kurt LeMay was absolutely incensed.
00:55:12.000In fact, the maker of Dr. Strangelove, the director who did his research, Stanley Kubrick, said that General Jack T. Ripper character is Curtis LeMay.
00:55:49.000Well, it was really being sort of on the inside when the crazies first got control of the government when Ronald Reagan was elected.
00:56:01.000And even before he took office, there were secret meetings on how they were going to use Star Wars weapons.
00:56:10.000That's why they invited me, because I had just retired as head of Star Wars.
00:56:17.000So they were going to use those as part of a first strike on the Soviet Union.
00:56:23.000And, you know, I told them they were absolutely crazy and I didn't go into any more of their meetings and I started fighting them in public.
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00:58:00.000Hello, this is Alex Jones with some important questions.
00:58:03.000If you're going into a battle and they give you a rifle and a sidearm, how much ammunition do you want?
01:00:24.000For a half hour into the next hour, then we have an eyewitness from the Alfred P. Murrow building, Jane Graham, who saw McVeigh and other feds inside planting the bombs.
01:00:34.000She was told, oh, those gray sticks of butter are just for repair.
01:00:37.000They're just putting some wires in the different maintenance areas for everyone's safety.
01:00:42.000She rode on the elevator with McVeigh.
01:00:44.000And this is just one of many witnesses we've interviewed before, but since the feds are getting ready to do this again, we're here on air going back over it.
01:00:51.000So we're going to be talking about that with Jane Graham coming up in T-minus one hour.
01:00:57.000Okay, Dr. Bob Bowman, you were hurtling down the road in your RV.
01:01:02.000You've now gotten to your stop for the night, so we've got you settled here.
01:01:05.000We appreciate you coming on on short notice.
01:01:08.000And we really appreciate you coming on, because I know you've had a lot of health problems lately and your information is so precious.
01:01:13.000It was good to get to see you at that 9-11 Truth event a month or so ago here in Austin, Texas.
01:01:18.000And we appreciate, again, your tireless effort to warn people, much of the time at your own expense.
01:01:25.000Go back to what you said as we went to break about when you really woke up to this global criminal Network, because we know that Rumsfeld came right out of the L.L.
01:02:08.000Well, yes, I found out firsthand that these crazies were planning on using my Star Wars program as part of a First strike against the Soviet Union.
01:02:27.000And so I started opposing them on that.
01:02:31.000And pretty soon, of course, I found I had less freedom of speech in industry than I've had in the military.
01:02:40.000So before long, I was out of industry and unemployed.
01:02:46.000And I have been in that position now for 28 years.
01:02:51.000And when I started fighting Reagan and his crowd, General Danny Graham and the crazy George Keegan and Senator Malcolm Wallop and Edward Teller and Dick Cheney and whatnot, General Danny Graham and the crazy George Keegan and
01:03:11.000And the ones that didn't die off, like Teller and Danny Graham, the ones that didn't die off came right back with George W. Bush.
01:03:22.000But what they did back then in 1982 and 1983, they got Reagan, who had not the clue what he was doing, and I don't think George W. Bush did either, They were useful idiots to these global criminals.
01:03:42.000And they got Reagan to sign a defense guidance document in 1982, which did Two important things.
01:03:54.000One, on the larger scale, it ended our policy of using the military to prevent a nuclear war, and we went from a policy of war prevention to one of war fighting.
01:04:13.000And in that document, written of course by Richard Perle, part of the Cheney crowd, In that document, he ordered the Department of Defense to prepare to fight and win a protracted nuclear war.
01:04:32.000And that was leaked to the press by my old friend Bob Scheer, who used to be with the Los Angeles Times.
01:04:40.000And eventually, of course, because he was a good, honest reporter, he got himself fired.
01:04:46.000He leaked that defense guidance document.
01:04:50.000And there were many of us, I think, at the time who said, well, you know, when we went into the military, it was to protect the people of this country by preventing a nuclear war, not going out and fighting an aggressive nuclear war.
01:05:06.000So we wouldn't have any part of that kind of policy.
01:05:10.000The second thing that that defense guidance document did was to order the Department of Defense to deploy Star Wars weapons in space as soon as possible.
01:05:21.000And the document assigned those weapons two missions.
01:05:27.000The first mission was to destroy opposing satellites and seize total military control of space.
01:05:38.000The second mission was to destroy targets on the surface of the Earth from space without warning.
01:05:47.000There wasn't a word in that document about shooting down ballistic missiles.
01:05:52.000That whole peace shield garbage was a total myth for consumption by the American people who would never have approved Star Wars weapons for offensive purposes.
01:06:11.000And now we've gotten another bird's eye view into their mindset with Cheney having Georgia on 8-8-8.
01:06:19.000Two years ago, two and a half years ago, launched that sneak attack, and we've seen Iraq, we've seen Afghanistan, they now want to go into Iran.
01:06:28.000We see this doctrine in the PNAC documents from 2000, where they say, we need new Pearl Harbor events, we need terror attacks to get the American people to go out there and wage these wars of empire.
01:06:41.000But this isn't even an empire for the American people, it's an empire we pay for.
01:06:45.000It's an empire for these big mega banks And corporations.
01:06:48.000Please continue with the Star Wars program.
01:06:53.000Because it's now declassified, it's now public, it's now admitted.
01:06:56.000We heard that Ronald Reagan Launched Star Wars in 81.
01:07:00.000But then now we've gotten the Bohemian Grove documents that they released to Santa Rosa State University, Bohemian Grove did, that in 79, before he was even president, they were there talking about the program that the Air Force had that you ran, that they were going to weaponize.
01:07:14.000So that's now been released, and the San Francisco Chronicles reported on it as well.
01:07:20.000And so what was that program when you ran it?
01:07:32.000And so what were you developing versus what they took it and created? - Well, I retired in 1978, and the program had been going on actually since 1962.
01:07:46.000At that time, they called it BAMBI, which stands for Ballistic Missile Boost Intercept.
01:07:57.000Isn't it lovely the way they take our weapon systems and give them a nice, cuddly name like Bambi?
01:08:04.000And when the Soviets, for a while, were working on a similar system, they dubbed it the Killer Satellite.
01:08:13.000So, anyway, that's just, you know, a little trivia.
01:08:18.000But at that time, in the mid-1970s, We were working on several pieces of it.
01:08:25.000Most of what we were working on was toward a system of laser battle stations.
01:08:32.000And these laser battle stations were being developed in bits and pieces.
01:08:39.000We had a contract with TRW for the laser itself, chemical laser.
01:08:45.000We had a contract with Kodak and with Perkin Elmer To build a 50-foot diameter actively cooled mirror which could reflect the laser beam to its target without burning up.
01:09:01.000We were developing the Pointer Tracker System and the Fault Tolerance Spaceborne Computer with Raytheon.
01:09:09.000And we had system studies to put it all together with Lockheed.
01:09:16.000That's a little of what we were doing with laser battle stations.
01:09:20.000We were also, and by the way, in our studies, and we also had some other organizations doing studies for us, Aerospace Corporation and RAND Corporation, on the military effectiveness of these things, and the RAND Corporation study concluded that before a system of laser battle stations got good enough to be
01:09:44.000Uh, effective against ballistic missiles, they would be powerful enough to incinerate cities in minutes, causing the kind of firestorms that consumed Dresden and Hamburg and Osaka in World War II.
01:09:57.000We also were looking at, uh, kinetic energy tail vehicles.
01:10:03.000Uh, the kinds of things that, uh, later became brilliant pebbles, uh, smart rocks first, then brilliant pebbles, and then rods from God.
01:10:13.000Where you take a few pounds of metal, properly shaped, fired at the Earth from space, and it impacts like a meteorite, and at least in theory, is capable of destroying hardened military targets like missile silos and command bunkers.
01:10:33.000Uh, those, uh, those meteor gun weapons, would that be DU, depleted uranium?
01:10:39.000Yeah, and I never said that at the time, uh, But yes, they're a combination of titanium and depleted uranium.
01:10:52.000A titanium shell with a depleted uranium interior and guided by GPS.
01:11:01.000And I never revealed those details at the time, but a couple years later I was debating one of the General Abramson's colonels in the Strategic Defense Initiative Organization.
01:11:13.000And I started talking about the pure offensive purposes of Star Wars weapons.
01:11:21.000And in his rebuttal, he said, you know very well that those titanium cones fired at the Earth from space and directed by GPS, that program doesn't exist.
01:11:38.000And he said, well, I said, well, that's interesting because you just revealed classified details that I've never talked about and certainly didn't mention in my talk.
01:11:52.000And so since then, I've been able to tell more details.
01:11:58.000Now, when we talked, you said you're also allowed to reveal that it's robotic space planes.
01:12:06.000And, you know, you've been out of this for a long time.
01:12:09.000But, I mean, from what I've talked to people at NASA here in Texas, people who were on the original Apollo program and beyond, and some of them we've had on air.
01:12:18.000And, you know, these are guys you can watch the NASA film footage, and there they are on mission control.
01:12:23.000They say that more than 90% of NASA, which is run by the Pentagon and by the President, is military, and that basically Wernher von Braun drew up the space shuttle in the 30s, it's a 1960s, 70s, 80s technology, and that the space program we see is really a facade for a larger black-op system, and that the militarization of space is just off the charts right now.
01:12:49.000I mean, what can you speak to along those lines?
01:12:53.000Right, well, space has been militarized for a very long time.
01:13:00.000Most of the stuff up there are military satellites of one kind or another, either reconnaissance satellites or military communications satellites and various other things.
01:13:16.000The weapons themselves may not be up there, but the gun sites are up there and all the rest of it.
01:13:24.000Uh, the whole military command and control system is space-based.
01:13:29.000So, uh, my task, really, uh, when Reagan was trying to do all this stuff was not to keep space from being militarized, as it already was, but to keep it from being weaponized.
01:13:42.000Because that's the line we simply did not want to cross.
01:13:46.000We understood that when we put weapons in space that, uh, Uh, you know, and particularly if they were the kind of stuff like Star Wars weapons with the kind of offensive capabilities they represented, that the Soviet Union would have, uh, no choice but to start shooting them down as fast as we put them up.
01:14:08.000And of course, that was a task that was fairly simple.
01:14:11.000The, uh, these space-based weapons are extremely vulnerable.
01:14:16.000Uh, after all, they follow fixed orbits.
01:14:21.000So you always know in advance exactly where they're going to be at any given time.
01:14:26.000The mirrors that we were designing could be destroyed by such exotic anti-satellite weapons as a bucket of sand or a thimble full of sewing machine oil.
01:14:38.000Uh, I always told the government, look, these things are never going to have any defensive value because of their enormous vulnerability.
01:14:48.000They will be totally useless to an innocent party sitting back trying to defend himself because all the opposing side will do will be to knock out, uh, critical elements in the system first and then launch their missiles.
01:15:05.000And even if you made these things, So that they could, in fact, shoot down ballistic missiles, which they couldn't do at that time.
01:15:15.000They would be useless because they'd be put out of operation before the missiles were fired.
01:15:21.000And I thought that was a pretty good argument.
01:15:25.000I also pointed out that having these Star Wars weapons on both sides is the ultimate military lunacy because it rewards whoever shoots first.
01:15:37.000And what we had at that point in the 70s was a stable nuclear balance because whoever fired first lost the war.
01:16:09.000I mean, if you take a design roughly based on the shuttle and you eliminate all the, uh, uh, people from it and all the life support systems and all the oxygen and all the food and, and all the piss tubes and all, you know, all of that kind of stuff and make it robotic with, uh, So you can only hypothetically talk to us about what's going on because that's classified.
01:16:39.000make the thing a heck of a lot smaller, and make it perform a heck of a lot better for a lot less money.
01:16:47.000So you can only hypothetically talk to us about what's going on because that's classified.
01:16:54.000Well, now NASA admits they have been developing space planes, and the Pentagon admits, like the B-1 bomber, the B-2 bomber were secret for many, many years, with the stealth bomber for 20 years before they rolled it out.
01:17:07.000I mean, can you talk about how big the military NASA is versus the public NASA?
01:17:20.000Shorter answer to that is I don't know anymore.
01:17:24.000Uh, because, uh, all of my people on the inside that I used to get fed all the information, uh, uh, from, uh, all my old ex-students and people who used to work for me that used to, uh, uh, cue me in, they've all died or re- or retired and disappeared.
01:17:45.000So, I really don't have recent information.
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01:21:34.000Doc, I was interrupting as we went to break, bringing up x-ray lasers, other weapons systems, and you said you can speak to x-ray lasers.
01:21:44.000The way I saw the news describe them, one system is a nuke detonates, and there's these rods in space, that sounds pretty dangerous to the rest of the satellites and things, and then fires just incredibly high-powered Yes.
01:21:57.000That is the original design of Edward Teller in the early 1970s.
01:22:18.000There were several underground nuclear blasts that were designed to test this to see if they could actually get an X-ray laser to work when pumped by a nuclear explosion.
01:22:39.000And they never were able to get it to work.
01:22:43.000And I lectured on this extensively in the early 1980s.
01:22:52.000Uh, when Teller was still pushing it, uh, and had gone public with it, and it, uh, it is really a crazy Rube Goldberg scheme, and is supposed to pump these beams of x-rays out these tubes in the, uh, tiny fraction of a second before the whole thing evaporates because of the nuclear explosion.
01:23:20.000And those beams of x-rays have to be extremely accurately pointed because they have to be pointed at where the ballistic missiles will be when the x-ray beam gets there.
01:23:37.000And from hundreds or perhaps even thousands of miles away.
01:23:48.000We were never able to get the pointing of those long, wimpy rods accurate enough to do any good.
01:24:01.000We were never able to get the x-rays to actually laze.
01:24:06.000There were a whole raft of things that were just totally ridiculous, and the early SDI Just threw that whole system away completely because it was so ludicrous.
01:24:29.000I mean, you can send anything down to Earth from space, and if you guide it with GPS or something else, you can do a lot of damage.
01:24:43.000Of course, neutron bombs Uh, are basically people killers where the kind of bombs from space that, uh, we studied, uh, didn't need any explosive whatsoever.
01:24:59.000Uh, you know, just the impact of the, uh, uh, heavy titanium clad depleted uranium rod, uh, It would, like a meteorite, do the damage without any explosive whatsoever.
01:25:17.000And that's mainly a decapitation weapon, correct?
01:25:20.000That would be good for taking out world leaders?
01:25:22.000World leaders and command bunkers and missile silos.
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01:25:58.000Invisible Empire is a damning indictment of the globalists through their own words and documents.
01:26:03.000The New World Order really is a tool for addressing a new world of possibilities.
01:26:07.000It means all the world under their control.
01:26:10.000The United Nations would take over America.
01:26:12.000The Trilateral Commission would control the world.
01:26:16.000Invisible Empire chronicles how men of power and influence have worked in stealth for centuries to establish an oppressive world government.
01:26:24.000I believe first of all that we now need nothing short of a world constitution for the global financial system.
01:26:29.000Global governance with the establishment of the G20.
01:26:31.000So it's going to be an inner ruling elite and then everyone else.
01:28:53.000And at first, the seven-term incumbent Republican tried to ignore me, and then they came out ridiculing me as a 9-11 truth wacko, and it was only in the end
01:29:11.000Uh, when they got really scared that they put out enormous amounts of money onto slick brochures attacking me on every conceivable front and, you know, my name all over the place, uh, with them attacking me.
01:29:29.000And of course, the exit polls seemed to indicate that I won that general election by 12 points, but the electronic touchscreen voting machines had it turned around.
01:29:42.000Obviously, their own polls showed that they were behind, and so in their desperation, they attacked me.
01:29:52.000Well, the same thing is happening to us patriots and 9-11 truthers today.
01:29:58.000They tried just ignoring us, and that worked for a while, but not for too long.
01:30:05.000And then they started, tried ridiculing us with all those hit pieces, National Geographic and Popular Mechanics and all that stuff.
01:30:21.000And we're starting to make headway into the mainstream media.
01:30:26.000And now they're just outright attacking us and saying that we are potential terrorists And that, you know, we ought to be gunned down or locked up.
01:30:37.000And for those that have missed it... So I think we're winning.
01:30:40.000For those that have missed it, they're really saying that now.
01:30:43.000I mean, we're the non-violent, peaceful people exposing false flag terror that's been declassified in hundreds of cases.
01:30:49.000Not just by our government, but others.
01:30:50.000And they're everywhere now saying that we want to assassinate Obama.
01:30:55.000I mean, Glenn Beck just pulls this out of the air.
01:30:57.000Then you have that very suspicious Pentagon event that happens after this crescendo of demonization.
01:31:04.000Yeah, well, you know, the people who are accusing us of those kind of things, it's a matter of projection, because if there's anybody that wants those kind of actions taken, it's them, not us.
01:31:19.000And personally, I'm disappointed with Obama, but I would much rather have him in there than George W. Bush, and I would In particular, Dick Cheney.
01:31:33.000And I'd much rather have him in there, frankly, than Joe Biden.
01:31:41.000I put my body on the line to protect Barack Obama because he may not be doing what we need, but he at least hasn't done as bad as has been done in the past.
01:31:53.000So you don't think he's completely mentally ill like Cheney?
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01:35:13.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:35:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:35:23.000Every day, sometimes multiple times daily, Newsweek, Time Magazine, London Guardian, New York Times, Write articles saying I'm calling for violence when all we've ever done is called for peace and non-violence.
01:35:41.000They want to do an entire 8-minute profile on Alex Jones only.
01:35:46.000It is very creepy because I never intended 14, 15 years ago when I started getting on air to have had this big of an effect and to have learned as much as I've learned.
01:35:55.000But it's a testament to all of you out there what you can do if you take action.
01:35:59.000But I don't like to talk about myself, but I do get some concern and try to analyze this.
01:36:04.000Dr. Bob Bowman, what does it sound like to you that they're demonizing all of us now, claiming we're for violence, but specifically singling me out?
01:36:11.000I mean, you've been doing this longer than I have.
01:36:16.000Well, I'd say to keep doing what you're doing and be just as public as you can, because the more in the public eye you are, the less they can do to you.
01:36:28.000The people who get picked off are usually the ones that very few people have heard of.
01:36:36.000And so I'd say just Keep out there in the public eye and give them a black eye.
01:36:59.000You know, I committed to this just like you committed to telling the truth and I've passed the point of no return a long time ago, but it is creepy to have the eye of the beast looking at you.
01:37:15.000You know, I'd like to talk about, we've talked a lot about the past, I'd like to talk a little bit about the present and the near future because I'd like to talk a little about our plans for how to take back the country and Okay, we're gonna do that.
01:37:38.000And we'll also have you back, because you're a treasure, Dr. Bob Bowman.
01:37:43.000But, you know, the old saying, when you're over the target, you're getting the flak, like when you had SAM missiles getting shot at you in Vietnam.
01:37:49.000But while we've got you picking your brain, we talked during a break.
01:37:53.000About CERN, if you think it's a danger, you gave me your answer.
01:37:57.000We also talked about, and you said you were aware of it, that the Air Force has talked about, they're trying to develop antimatter weapons.
01:38:06.000Talk about CERN versus antimatter weapons.
01:38:11.000Okay, well, CERN, the equivalent of Brookhaven cyclotron, In the corner of Switzerland and France there, the European version.
01:38:28.000CERN, I've been there, I've been through it and looked at their operations.
01:38:36.000I don't see anything nefarious about it.
01:38:40.000Scientific knowledge can always be used for good or evil, and all too often evil, and they're producing new scientific knowledge.
01:38:48.000They're also playing around a little bit with the collisions between matter and antimatter and that theoretically can put out an awful lot of energy and it is dangerous and the experiments have to be extremely carefully controlled.
01:39:09.000Now as far as taking antimatter and weaponizing it, I have never heard of any Uh, effort which has been anywhere near successful in making weapons out of this stuff.
01:39:25.000Uh, it's too hard to produce, too hard to contain.
01:39:30.000Uh, I don't see anything of that kind in the foreseeable future.
01:39:40.000But it is dangerous from the physicists I've read, mainline physicists, that the Pentagon admits they are playing with it and trying to isolate it.
01:39:48.000I mean, couldn't that create potentially some type of chain reaction?
01:39:56.000And there are a lot of things that are going on that are dangerous that I have been opposed to from the beginning, like HAARP up in Alaska.
01:40:05.000And I've been up there to that facility.
01:40:09.000I think it's extremely dangerous to dump huge amounts of money, I mean, of energy.
01:40:17.000It's money to the people who sell them the gas that they're turning into energy.
01:40:22.000Dumping all that energy into the stratosphere is extremely dangerous.
01:40:29.000They're talking about weather modification, they're talking about mind control, they're talking about all sorts of weird things.
01:40:38.000They don't really know what they're doing and it could have very negative consequences that they don't know how to control.
01:40:49.000So I have been against the HAARP facility from the beginning.
01:40:55.000Well here's a quick question, here's a quick example.
01:40:59.000Four years ago in the interviews on YouTube and Google everywhere, just Alex Jones interviews head of HAARP, we had the private PhD director, but the military runs it, and when I was contacted by HAARP and they said, you want to clear up rumors, we'll have the director on.
01:41:16.000And so, then comes the day to get him on for an hour-long interview, and I've got some colonel bossing me around during the breaks, and they've got the line under their control fading him down several times.
01:41:28.000Then he starts talking about, we have a lot of fun, he's like a mad scientist.
01:41:32.000We can even, you know, ignite the atmosphere some nights and create artificial Aurora Borealis.
01:41:37.000Then they turn him down, gripe at him during the break.
01:42:13.000But we're trying to infiltrate the Congress.
01:42:21.000We're trying to get rid of almost all the incumbents in 2008.
01:42:30.000We had about 30 members of our organization, the Patriots, run for Congress around the country, but they all ran as Greens or Libertarians or Independents or Right-ins, and of course nobody got elected.
01:42:44.000So we're taking a different tack this time.
01:42:46.000We're having each of our chapters groom people within the chapter to run Well, Bob, let me do this.
01:42:58.000Let me do this, because I promised to go to calls, and you've been very gracious with your time.
01:43:01.000How about when the interview ends, we pick a date when you're going to be at your home next week, and we have you on for a full hour about your program to get true patriots elected to Congress.
01:43:11.000People can find out at your website as well.
01:43:14.000How about you come on for a full hour just on solutions next week?
01:44:34.000In your experience, what has been Um, the best way of communicating, you know, uh, the 9-11 truth to friends, family members, other people that are close to you that, you know, you respect very much, but that are otherwise ignorant to the truth or are subjected to the propaganda machine and have not yet realized what's really going on.
01:45:08.000I use it with friends and family, and I use it when I lobby in Congress, because you can't get a congressman to sit down for two hours and watch news change or something, but you can get him to sit down for three minutes.
01:45:23.000And in three minutes, They see the BBC broadcast World Trade Center 7 collapsing before it did, they see Larry Silverstein talking about pulling it, and they see the building come down from about 12 different views.
01:45:39.000An apparent controlled demolition of an intact building with no visible fire.
01:45:44.000If that doesn't convince them that the whole Bush official conspiracy theory is a lie, I don't know what will.
01:45:54.000And you can download that from my website.
01:45:57.000And I would add the caveat, you have six of the ten commissioners saying it's a fraud and a cover-up.
01:46:02.000I have AP and Raw Story here revealed Ashcroft Tenant Rumsfeld warned 9-11 Commission about line it should not cross and told them don't investigate the attacks themselves.
01:46:12.000And as a former intercept pilot, I think that's some of the most convincing information when you've given your speeches in the past explaining that you were once an intercept pilot and they stood down.
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01:51:32.000Hey Bowman, I got a couple questions and you can touch on what you want to touch on.
01:51:38.000What's the deal with the TR3 platforms, the H3 mining on the moon?
01:51:45.000And why, if you know anything, why do we have so many battleships over in the Gulf of Aden?
01:51:55.000Okay, well, the first two, I don't have any answer for.
01:52:02.000We can't mine the moon until we get back there, and that's going to be a while, it looks like.
01:52:08.000The battleships, unfortunately, there's a lot of stuff in place.
01:52:15.000I understand including bunker buster bombs on Diego Garcia in preparation for an all-out attack on Iran which I hope never comes and I'm going to do everything I can to prevent.
01:52:29.000And they've been reporting that we've shipped the missile casings so the Israelis can put small nukes, I guess they call it the mega bunker buster, to use against Iran.
01:52:39.000And they say, oh, this is the friendly nuke.
01:52:41.000We're allowed to use this preemptively.
01:52:43.000How far do you know that as far as we've done any reverse engineering? - I did.
01:52:54.000Jim, he doesn't get into all the conspiracy theory stuff.
01:53:11.000Dr. Bowman, I just want to give you a little bit of insight on the Star Wars thing.
01:53:15.000My mother was a double agent in Germany, undercover during World War II, and she saw the first laser, operational laser weapons being shooted down, Allied flying things, or other type of weapons, because she was well-connected, and she basically debriefed Some of the scientists at Perpin and Elmer in Norwalk, Connecticut.
01:53:38.000And actually, as a kid, I saw some of the original pictures of some of these weapons when they were still classified, six months away from being declassified, and was invited to a scientific seminar.
01:54:25.000You can do a bunch of stuff from space.
01:54:28.000But there's a lot of things that you still can't do with them.
01:54:34.000What's more effective, from your knowledge, the space-based or those big DC-10s with the big chemical lasers mounted on them, so air-to-ground or air-to-air anti-missile?
01:54:43.000Again, it depends on what you want to do.
01:54:46.000If you're trying to shoot down a missile, which is what they advertise these things for, doing it with a 747 or any of those things is absolutely crazy.
01:55:00.000Because they themselves are so vulnerable.
01:55:03.000Any country or group that has the technology to send a missile against the United States would certainly have the technology to shoot down a 747.
01:55:36.000Sure, they won't admit that, but of course they are.
01:55:40.000Alright, well, Dr. Bob Bowman, it's been an amazing interview, and your phone's breaking up a bit, so we're going to let you go, but we're going to get you set up to come on for a full hour to talk about your new book next week, here on the radio broadcast with us.
01:55:52.000Thank you for spending so much time with us.
01:56:12.000And he was here last year for an interview that we put in Fall of the Republic.
01:56:18.000My latest documentary film, and he did a couple hours on the radio, did the interviews, and then you could just tell he was drained when he got back in his RV and drove off.
01:56:36.000Okay, we've got a very informative Lady who survived the Oklahoma City bombing attack 15 years ago, joining us on the other side of this quick break.
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02:00:34.000And in fact, Jane, if memory serves, I've interviewed her in years.
02:00:38.000I remember that she even saw some of the people that she saw working in the building planting gray sticks of butter with wires, who had federal passes as maintenance people, on some of the news footage.
02:00:51.000And I've talked to other witnesses that said they saw those men in there.
02:00:54.000And then on the news, after the bomb had gone off, they'd say, well, that's him.
02:01:07.000Jane Graham is a ninth-floor survivor of the Murrow Federal Building bombing in Oklahoma City in 1995.
02:01:12.000She's made a video affidavit after she watched the video cover-up in Oklahoma.
02:01:17.000In that video, she recognized seeing two men who were caught on camera walking hurriedly away from the building after the bombing, holding walkie-talkies.
02:01:24.000She says that she had noticed these men in the building prior to the bombing wearing General Services Administration maintenance uniforms that she did not recognize GSA employees.
02:01:36.000And we have her affidavit up on InfoWars.com.
02:01:40.000Now there's a new article out by Red Dirt Report, a great outfit out of Oklahoma, and it boils down, again, she's one of scores of survivors and witnesses that basically tell the same story.
02:02:10.000While Oklahoma and the rest of the world respectfully remember the 168 people who died in the bombing of the Alvar P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, one survivor of April 1995 blast, Jane Graham, wants her questions about what really happened that day answered once and for all.
02:02:24.000Graham, a native of Chicago, was working for HUD office on the ninth floor of the Murrah Building that morning, told Red Dirt Report that there were a lot of strange things going on in the weeks leading up to the bombing, things that she shared numerous times with federal agents, things she felt were ignored, This including the presence of maintenance workers who do not recognize military people in the parking garage and more unusual activity.
02:02:46.000But one of the key figures, the bomber himself, Tim McVeigh, was spotted in the federal building on a number of occasions and by multiple witnesses, I would add.
02:02:53.000It was a couple of weeks before the bombing.
02:02:55.000I had seen McVeigh in the building prior to the bombing around the first week of April.
02:03:00.000McVeigh, Graham said, rode up the elevator while she was heading to her office on that morning.
02:03:06.000And we have the former head of Air Force Weapons Development saying the building was blown out and on in.
02:03:11.000And you have the seismographs and the blast points.
02:03:38.000I turned to someone else in the elevator and said, well, he's certainly not very friendly.
02:03:41.000Another time, Graham said, he was in the elevator again and got off on the ninth floor where the Secret Service and BATF offices were located.
02:03:48.000Another unusual event, Graham recalled, was on Friday, April 14th, 95.
02:03:52.000She had parked in the Murrah parking garage and she noticed three men standing together on the south side of the parking area.
02:03:58.000One of the men was holding what looked like floor plans.
02:04:01.000She said at first she thought about the recent phone problems that had been plugging the building and problems with gas fumes in the area.
02:04:08.000I watched them carefully, Graham said.
02:04:09.000They were standing behind a green light station wagon like an old country Squire wagon.
02:04:18.000It was filthy and I couldn't see the plate on it.
02:04:21.000As she watched the three men, one of whom was wearing dark clothing and two wearing short sleeves and jeans, one of the men held a stack or a roll of what appeared to be telephone wire.
02:04:30.000And then we'll have her Finish up with what she was told, and she talked to other people, military personnel, people that said they were FBI, people she'd not seen before.
02:05:12.000Well, I think you've covered a lot of it, but going back to, I'll try and keep it, the most important part was the Friday before when I saw the men down below.
02:05:26.000I was asked about the three men, and I did tell them that they wanted to know what I thought they were, and I said, well, I would take the man in charge, being a surveyor, and military.
02:05:41.000I said that was the first two things that came to my mind when I saw them, and I gave them a visualizing the size of which they were holding up, and I was told that that is exactly the size of plans that plans are when they are, in fact, drawings of the building and the garage area.
02:06:10.000And the third gentleman was tall, very, very nice-looking man.
02:06:44.000And of course we now know, I mean you saw him on the news, Andreas Stossmeier, the son of a top SS general, is an admitted black ops commander for German and US intelligence and was at Elohim City being run by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
02:07:00.000And that was who I identified later on.
02:07:04.000I also identified one of the men when I was finally shown some pictures, not by the FBI, not by the police, but through a private investigator who was giving me, and I identified Gary Hunt as one of the gentlemen that I saw in the building with another man who was about 5'8", light brownish-blonde hair, very poor, very, very bad-complected.
02:07:32.000When they both came out of the stairwell, they looked directly at me, and then they bent their heads down and turned around the corner to go around the hallway past GSA because that is an outside door there to the outside of the building on the west end of the building.
02:07:56.000So I was very much aware of them, and then I was going to go upstairs, and I thought it was odd that they came down the stairwell, and as I said, they were going quite quickly, and I was talking to somebody else, About the fact that I had seen some maintenance men, you know, some outside maintenance men.
02:08:22.000And it wasn't just right after that when I was waiting at the elevator, a gentleman came up to me and said he was talking to some others and he said, I'm from the FBI and someone told me that you have seen two maintenance men.
02:08:43.000And of course, at that time I was thinking whether they were talking about the elevator, which we've had a problem with, or the phone company.
02:08:51.000And it wasn't registering to me at all about associating them with the two GSA draft maintenance men.
02:09:02.000And it was only later on, after I saw a video and saw the two of those men, I realized this is the men that they were referring to, who somebody obviously had told them, I assume it was the men that I passed, that I had seen them.
02:09:18.000Um, so that, I think in that in itself probably saved my life at that point because Terry Yankee had seen so much and he was killed.
02:09:27.000A lot of people were murdered because of what they saw or what they wrote or what they did.
02:10:16.000I gave them what they were wearing, everything I could about them and what had occurred.
02:10:23.000And I never did hear anything from anyone regarding from the FBI or the police about looking at pictures of anyone, trying to identify anyone.
02:10:37.000And I did talk to one attorney, and he said, well, I know the sketch artists, but the police are just really, really good.
02:10:52.000You know, that was the end of that discussion.
02:10:54.000I went with Debbie Nakanishi to Washington several times on this case.
02:11:03.000I met with one of the men who was on the attorney's staff there, you know, dealing with, I wanted information about, well, how does one, how does one, Deal with this as far as from the legal aspect of the government and for review and so forth.
02:11:26.000And he said, well, there were only like, I think, three men that, you know, deal with a lot of these issues.
02:11:33.000And that really, you know, there wasn't anything that they could do.
02:11:36.000And I wanted, I tried to see the congressmen and senators from the state of Oklahoma.
02:11:42.000None of them would see me or talk to me.
02:11:44.000And the only person that would talk to me was Uh, was James Traficant.
02:11:51.000And I did meet in his office, I met his assistant, and at that time he had requested from GSA all of their files.
02:12:01.000And, um, the FBI had come to him and told him that they wanted to go through all of the files that he had to, um, white out various things that would be incriminating, and he told them they didn't have the authority to do that.
02:12:20.000But he would give them one day, and they said, because he said they would not be able to do that.
02:12:25.000And his assistant told me that they had threatened James Traficant and said, we will get you for this.
02:12:32.000You know, we're going to get you over there.
02:12:35.000And it's now been declassified that the current attorney general, back at the time, was the deputy, and the memos have been released in his emails where he said, we've got to have a full court press.
02:12:49.000We've got to get down to Oklahoma City, this is on the 16th, and cover this up, or it's over for us.
02:12:55.000And we can even pull those emails up, I've read them on air.
02:12:58.000And so that clearly shows they were going into Congressman's office and saying, you shut your mouth.
02:13:02.000There's so much to talk to you about, Jane Graham.
02:13:05.000Expanding on this, what about your run-ins with Tim McVeigh in the weeks before the Alfred P. Murrow building was blown out from under you?
02:13:24.000I think he even went to the 5th floor and certainly the 9th floor.
02:13:27.000He had gone up there And I really thought that he was with the military units there and going in to report.
02:13:36.000Or up on the ninth floor, they had ATF and other operations up there.
02:13:42.000And I thought, well, whatever he's doing, he's new and he's just reporting in to whatever he needed to do.
02:13:50.000And the comment I made about his not talking was the fact that Uh, everybody in that building would always be very, um, pleasant and always friendly and, hi, how are you?
02:14:03.000You know, regardless, if you didn't know them, they spoke, and he absolutely would just look straight ahead.
02:14:11.000And also, one of the things most people do not know is that, um, uh, the The bomb squad had parked across in the church parking lot that morning and had their dogs out.
02:14:26.000And one of the postal workers, a friend of mine that went with me to Washington several times, she had seen them now.
02:14:34.000She was told, do not discuss this with anybody.
02:14:40.000She went to the union in regards to that issue, and that was taken care of relatively quickly.
02:14:47.000But it was important because when I went up to the seventh floor, I ran into Trish Nix, who was killed in the bombing, and she said, have you seen the bomb squad?
02:15:03.000And she said, well, they've been in the building.
02:15:06.000So I knew right then that there was something going on.
02:15:10.000And of course, like I said earlier, two weeks before that, when I was in the coffee shop, I was sitting in a booth and right next to me on the other booth was another lady talking to a friend of hers, telling her that she had called a friend who worked at the FBI office at 5010 Place and that
02:15:31.000Her, uh, this friend had received a fax stating that there was going to be a bombing in the federal building, and I was very, and that, not to, and she gave it to her supervisor, and he said, don't worry about it, we know about it already.
02:15:45.000And I was concerned because my, at that time, daughter-in-law had been working at Baliance, which is in 50 Penn Place, and I said, oh my God, surely, when I came home, I said, surely they're not, um, not going to try and bomb 50 Penn Place, of course that's where FBI was.
02:16:01.000And I thought, all those people, you know, they have nothing to do with the government.
02:16:06.000Well, Jane, let me back you up on this, because some of this has come out in newspapers, but I have an employee whose dad was working in a federal building in Dallas, and they got that fax the day before that a federal building was going to be blown up.
02:16:21.000Uh, and then I know someone separately who was working at a federal building at the time on the West Coast who remembers those faxes coming in.
02:16:28.000And it's even come out in the news that there were some warnings.
02:16:32.000Uh, but you've got McVeigh in the building, you've got all these guys running around.
02:16:35.000Going back from some of your earlier video testimony, and I haven't seen it in years, but am I correct in saying you didn't just see wiring?
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02:21:39.000First of all, the ATF that morning, and I think people need to understand, that morning, before the bombing, there were two men dressed with ATF Ray Jackets on talking to a third gentleman outside in front of the Murrow building that morning.
02:21:55.000And I then found out you don't wear those unless there's something going down where they need to be recognizable immediately.
02:22:04.000Strathmire and the other two gentlemen that were in the garage the Friday before, yes, what I saw them have, I was told that what they thought was the putty was in fact actually what I gave a description of, and I was told that's C4.
02:22:24.000What I am saying is that if anyone goes back in history, history repeats itself always, but governments always, one of the things they have done, they go in and they take care of creating an incident, creating a bombing or whatever, in order to come back in and fix it so that
02:22:52.000Whatever has happened, they've got a solution of how they're going to fix the problem, whether it be they're going to say, well, the terrorists did it.
02:22:59.000We now have to have additional protection.
02:23:13.000They've always got an agenda to take away rights.
02:23:17.000And to sell it to the public in mass as, we're protecting you, we're the good guys, we're taking care of you, we're protecting you.
02:23:26.000And I'm saying that this was done, they can claim, they can claim that they had no part in it because issues involved in it, and even though they were behind it, and they, I imagine and feel very confident in, that they did have McVeigh on their payroll.
02:23:50.000They did get Strassmeyer out of the country with his luggage, with everything.
02:23:58.000A straight shot through was told by, I understand from others, they were told, do not go through his luggage.
02:24:06.000Just give him a free pass to go back to Germany.
02:24:10.000There were other people who were involved and money that came from the Islam countries and involved.
02:24:23.000So, they could go from a very technical, big, big organization and having other people do their work through FBI, CIA, and then say, well, we don't know anything about it.
02:25:00.000I really believe that it's not a bombing.
02:25:02.000They think it's going to be something that will have to do with water supplies or germ warfare of some sort.
02:25:09.000But they're planning ahead to do something big in order to blame the militias, blame the Tea Parties, because the American public is getting fed up with having their rights taken away, being taxed to death, and government because the American public is getting fed up with having their rights taken away, Jane Graham, we're going to interview you again in the near future for a full hour.