On this Friday edition of the Alex Jones Show, our host Alex Jones sits down with former Congressman James Traficant (R-Oklahoma) to discuss the Tea Party movement, the Pan Am flight crash, and much more.
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00:00:21.000We have reached the halfway point in this Friday edition.
00:00:24.000For the next 60 minutes, James Traficant.
00:00:27.000Here is our guest, the iconic, beam me up, Scotty, there's no intelligent life here, Congressman, who was absolutely railroaded into prison, there is no doubt about that, for exposing corruption and tyranny in this nation.
00:00:42.000And he's going to discuss the Tea Parties, he's running for the Congress again, we're going to get his take on the militarization of police, what really happened in Oklahoma City, he investigated that, what happened with the Pan Am flight, and a lot more, and we'll take some phone calls, because I did have the phones open earlier for military and police to call in.
00:01:00.000We have all these government documents where they're training the military for martial law in America, and it's building towards a crescendo.
00:01:08.000James Traficant, good to have you on with us, sir.
00:01:11.000And I want to say after appearing on your show several months ago, I didn't realize how strong a show you have.
00:01:18.000And I want to commend you because you are educating millions of American people.
00:01:23.000I was surprised and I'm honored to be asked to come back on your show.
00:01:27.000Well, Congressman, we're honored to have you here because of your courage and your steadfastness.
00:01:31.000So much is happening, so much is going on.
00:01:33.000I've got questions and issues I want to pick your brain about, but out of the gates, the state of the union, the state of the taxing system, all the new VAT taxes they want, telling us austerity, taxes are going to go up, our benefits are going to go down.
00:01:47.000What does James Travacant say about that?
00:01:48.000Well, number one, I think the country is bankrupt.
00:02:00.000I think that you can't continue to have the income tax that penalizes work, subsidizes illegitimacy, and rewards dependency.
00:02:08.000It's time to throw it out, abolish the IRS, repeal the 16th Amendment.
00:02:12.000Now, you know, I support a flat, fair 25% consumption tax on final retail sales.
00:02:18.000Now, my opponents are saying that's going to hurt the poor.
00:02:20.000Quite frankly, Alex, Harvard did a study and said when you throw out the burdensome compliance of the IRS, he said the prices are going to drop.
00:02:27.000The prices will probably be similar to what we have now.
00:02:30.000But finally, for those naysayers, those people who are under the poverty level will simply take their pay stubs to the government, and there will be a system as there exists now.
00:02:39.000The only difference with the trafficking bill, Alex, is everybody must work who gets a government stipend.
00:02:45.000I don't care if they have 12 children that work at the daycare center with those children, You see, anybody that visits Broadway or visits Las Vegas from Germany and Japan did pay into our tax scheme.
00:02:55.000And finally, it's a trade reciprocity program.
00:02:58.000If a country has barriers against ours, we have barriers against them.
00:03:02.000We also quantify the standard we're living in each country and weigh that down.
00:03:50.000It's made a dependent society over here.
00:03:52.000It's penalized work, and that's the last thing that the founders wanted.
00:03:56.000The reason we have the 16th Amendment, Alex, is when we first started the income tax, which, by the way, was only supposed to be on the rich people.
00:04:03.000It was taken to the Supreme Court, and it was struck down as unconstitutional.
00:04:08.000As a result, we have this 16th Amendment, and some people feel that it wasn't adequately ratified to boot, and that maybe we shouldn't repeal the 16th Amendment.
00:04:16.000We should just disregard it because it wasn't, in fact, lawful.
00:04:37.000Quick break, coming back with a long segment, talking about a host of issues and the demonization of the Tea Parties all over the news, saying they're racist, they're terrorists.
00:04:46.000Bill Clinton says that there's going to be another Oklahoma City and it's going to be the fault of the American people.
00:04:54.000We'll see what James Traficant says about that.
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00:07:32.000I believe, first of all, that we now need nothing short of a world constitution for the global financial system.
00:07:37.000Global governance with the establishment of the G20.
00:07:40.000So it's going to be an inner ruling elite and then everyone else.
00:08:15.000They've admitted he was completely railroaded, set up, mainly because he was criticizing foreign aid, period, and foreign aid to Israel, and they told him they were going to get him.
00:08:27.000And we had Jane Graham, Oklahoma City bombing survivor, she's on the ninth floor on last week.
00:08:32.000She saw McVeigh and other feds planting gray sticks of butter, didn't know what they were.
00:08:37.000She brought this info to Congress, they wouldn't talk to her.
00:08:39.000The only person that would look at the information was James Traficant.
00:08:43.000And she said she talked to James Traficant's assistant in his office.
00:08:46.000She said, yeah, they came and said, give us those documents back.
00:08:51.000I'll be filing this coming Monday as an independent in one of two districts, I'm not sure.
00:08:54.000But that was one of many reasons they went after him.
00:09:21.000But I think money plays too much a part in politics anyway.
00:09:24.000I think it's time for somebody without a lot of money just to put the hay where the ghost can reach it and tell the people what's going on and run, and run the old-fashioned way.
00:09:34.000Well, you've certainly got a lot of name recognition and a lot of people love you and your state there and know that you were railroaded.
00:09:40.000We talked about that some last time, but perhaps because we have a new audience tuning in all the time, recap what happened to you and then we're going to get into some of the current things that are happening and get your take on it, like U.S.
00:09:52.000Army trains to confront Tea Party terrorists.
00:09:56.000We have their internal training manuals where they prepare for gun confiscation and war against the American people.
00:10:01.000But first, recapping your railroading.
00:10:04.000Well, you know, number one, several of the people that were involved already now admitted they were pressured to lie.
00:10:09.000There's a young man in Nigeria, a young black man, that filed an affidavit with the Nigerian government, Mr. Okolo, that his life was ruined because he wouldn't perjure himself against trafficking.
00:10:19.000Bottom line, it was a six-year investigation, $15 million, over 250 agents, on or about the time, Alex, that the Trade Center and the Pentagon were being attacked.
00:10:30.000And the government voluntarily stated at this trial that they made no tapes on me at all.
00:10:35.000And now it's come out, and I can't prove it yet, but it's all over that they burned boxes and boxes of tapes because there was no physical evidence.
00:10:42.000They had seven people that said they bribed me.
00:10:59.000I want some whistleblower to come forward and confirm that they burned boxes and boxes of tapes they made on Jim Trafkin over a six-year investigation.
00:11:07.000Because the reason why they said they had no tapes, Alex, is I could use their own tapes against them and say, where's the crime?
00:11:16.000I think most people realize what happened.
00:11:18.000And remember, I'm the guy that brought John Demonyik back home from Israel, who was on death row for being Ivan the Terrible.
00:11:24.000And maybe this is exclusive on your show today, Alex.
00:11:27.000That John Demonyuk from Germany on trial now has requested of his family and his defense that they bring me into Germany relative to this trial.
00:11:38.000And if I am subpoenaed, I am going to Germany.
00:11:43.000And to recap that, the Israeli Supreme Court said you were right, you got him the documents, he was not the guy, we know who he was, looked nothing like this individual, and then still, the US government grabs him and sends him to Germany, when Israel said he's innocent!
00:11:59.000Yes, and you know what's amazing, Alex?
00:13:13.000We need a mechanism where the FBI and the Justice Department can be, in fact, tried.
00:13:20.000One of my last bills was the Fair Justice Act.
00:13:22.000The President would nominate, the Senate would confirm for a 10-year term, the Director of the Fair Justice Agency would have only one duty, Alex, and that would be to investigate and prosecute crimes within the Justice Department.
00:13:33.000My God, we got a police state coming at us!
00:13:36.000We've got a government that, we're basically economic slaves here.
00:13:40.000And no one's really looking at it seriously.
00:14:23.000Congressman, I don't want to talk about myself, but I am in the middle of this and I want to ask your advice.
00:14:29.000The ADL, the Southern Property Law Center, in the last six months or so have put out multiple reports apiece.
00:14:36.000They're now even saying Ron Paul is a terrorist enabler.
00:14:42.000They're saying Judge Napolitano is an extremist terrorist enabler.
00:14:45.000The MIAC Homeland Security reports that law enforcement sent us over a year ago say that gun owners, conservatives, returning veterans, I'm sure you've seen that in the news.
00:14:52.000Now we've gotten Army documents and we've confirmed that they're following us around in the Fed rallies.
00:14:58.000Uh, we've confirmed that, uh, in these briefings for the military, they project my photo up and, like, I'm the kingpin, or the, or the godfather, and, and say that I want cops to die, and that I want the milit- it just all lies, and the national news, Nightline, you name it, have been down here, CNN, I mean, I mean, the list goes on and on, and they keep saying on the news, and George Soros' outfit keeps saying, I'm calling for violence, when it's the opposite.
00:15:27.000I mean, are they really getting ready to set me up?
00:15:28.000Well, it sounds to me as if you're a great American, and you're making touch and contact with the average American, and they don't like it.
00:16:10.000They don't want to blow anything up, and they're not going out there and acting violently, and Alex Jones is not recommending that anybody go out and cause any violence or revolution in this country, and anybody with a bright mind and a reasonable mind understands that.
00:16:24.000But, what they're trying to do is stop this movement, and the reason for it is very simple.
00:16:28.000The American people are fed up, and they should be.
00:16:32.000And I think what you're doing is you're articulating the reasons why they're fed up.
00:16:37.000The problem with the Tea Party to a degree is they're so upset but they don't really understand the total dimension of why they're upset.
00:16:44.000And number one, they're just opposing rather than advocating as well.
00:16:48.000But I think they're starting to evolve now, Alex.
00:16:51.000With leadership that they're hearing from individuals like yourself, and from commentary made by you and some others, that they're starting to look and say, look, here's what we've got to do now.
00:17:01.000Here's what must be done in the country.
00:17:02.000And I think what we have underway is a powerful political revolution taking place in the United States of America, and I believe the powers that be are trying to stop it.
00:17:12.000They're trying to say that these people are radical, they're racist, they're bigots.
00:17:16.000I've been hit with the anti-Semite business, the racist business, the bigot business, but listen to what I stand for.
00:17:23.000If you're an illegal immigrant in this country, you're not just an immigrant, you're an illegal immigrant and you should be thrown the hell out.
00:18:35.000But I just pray to God that you just continue to do what you're doing.
00:18:39.000The reason they're focusing on you is you're effective.
00:18:44.000And that's the reason they focused on you, and that's what's scary.
00:18:47.000I don't want to go to prison with them setting me up for something.
00:18:49.000Well, don't think that that's forelone.
00:18:53.000Here's the thing I could be concerned about.
00:18:55.000You know, I don't know what your relationship is with your network, but there'll be people behind the scenes trying to take that microphone away from you because you're having an impact.
00:19:22.000Some people may be afraid to be on there, and they say, we don't know why, but we're glad you were on there, Jim.
00:19:27.000And people, but the bottom line is, I've heard this all over.
00:19:30.000People commenting about this everywhere I go, Alex.
00:19:33.000So you're reaching people, and I think you're You're reaching people with an intelligent approach, and there's certainly no doubt in my mind you're not advocating any type of violence or anything.
00:19:45.000Congressman, thank you for your kind words on that subject and your advice.
00:19:48.000Let's come back in to get into some other issues, but continue to discuss where you see this nation going and talk about Oklahoma City 15 years later.
00:19:55.000We'll be right back with James Traficant.
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00:24:56.000I mean, this is a sick joke, Congressman.
00:24:58.000Absolutely Alex, you're right on target.
00:25:00.000I think we even have to change the Constitution.
00:25:03.000If someone comes across our border illegally for the purpose of having a child and having an American citizen, I think that should be changed and the citizenship should be denied and the woman should be removed from the country.
00:25:15.000No one realizes, you know, we had a case up here in Northeast Ohio, just real quick Alex.
00:25:19.000Where a fella went in with a card and got a surgery on his pancreas.
00:25:24.000And ten days later, another fella came in with the same card to get surgery, and they did the surgery.
00:25:29.000They didn't realize it until they checked the paperwork.
00:25:31.000And they were both illegal, can't find them, and did two particular surgeries that the American people, our people up here, ended up paying for.
00:25:49.000And now we're talking about, we're talking about making citizens amnesty out of illegals who jump the fence.
00:25:57.000My God, Alex, this is putting a neon sign right on the border saying, hey, jump the fence and eventually you become an American citizen.
00:26:05.000Well, the feds are financing illegal checkpoints to the states everywhere.
00:26:09.000All this Arizona law says is that if they have suspicion and then you're an illegal, when they pull you over for drunk driving or whatever it is, that the state's going to take you to the feds.
00:26:18.000I mean, all that's doing is enforcing the law.
00:26:20.000Since when are states not supposed to, you know, if they catch somebody committing a federal crime, to not arrest them?
00:26:51.000I support what they're doing in Arizona, and they've got to stand up This is a microcosm of the failed policies of America.
00:26:57.000Bring the American people's attention to it.
00:26:59.000Now, the mainstream media is making Arizona look like racists, look like bigots, and they're going to lose conventions, and they're going to lose money.
00:27:07.000Look, the bottom line is the federal government has caused this problem for Arizona and for all these border states.
00:27:13.000The federal government should be taking the brunt of the attack.
00:27:16.000That's why they don't like Alex Jones, and that's why they don't like Jim Travigan.
00:27:20.000Because the truth of the matter is very plain for us to see.
00:27:23.000The federal government has failed to secure our borders.
00:27:25.000How can you have a homeland security border programmed with a border wide open, Alex?
00:27:30.000Well, what do you think about Obama announcing yesterday he's sending SWAT teams to, quote, all the oil rigs, and some Reagan administration officials are on record saying they believe this is greasing the skids for the feds nationalizing oil.
00:28:59.000Well, you got the federal government calling for carbon taxes, but then China and India and Mexico and others don't have to have the carbon taxes.
00:29:11.000What's really funny is the reports in the house say, the forensic reports say, that most of the carbon problems in America are brought in from the trade winds from the Far East.
00:29:22.000And these countries don't want to do anything about their carbon emissions.
00:29:27.000I think, look, I think it's time for us to say we can handle our economic problems, and the world can handle theirs too, but good fences make good board, make good friends.
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00:35:08.000Jim, Oklahoma City, I mean, take us back to 1995.
00:35:12.000And again, the reason I bring this up is, I mean, you've been involved in everything I investigate.
00:35:17.000If it's exposing tyranny, you find Jim Traficant there.
00:35:20.000I didn't even know that no member of Congress would talk to her and other survivors of that horrible bombing, that she saw the feds in there, what she later learned, planting bombs with telephone wire and gray sticks of butter in the weeks before, including Tim McVeigh and others.
00:35:36.000Uh, and that when she and others brought you this information, that you were the only person that would look at it, and that she said that your staff said that you were threatened to shut up about it, but that you wouldn't shut up.
00:35:48.000So give us your take on what happened there.
00:35:52.000Number one, I don't think there's any way that that truckload of fertilizer that exploded outside could have had the type of impact internally that showed from that.
00:36:06.000What's amazing about it is, the reason I was the only one, is Congress is afraid.
00:36:11.000Most members of Congress don't want to get involved in anything.
00:36:14.000First of all, they're made to look like a kook if you do.
00:36:16.000Second of all, they're made to look like you're un-American if you do, because they're going to have the mainstream press against you.
00:36:21.000But since the Demonia case, everybody would rely on me, and I got most of the information.
00:36:26.000What I found out, and what I felt would happen in Oklahoma City, that there was much broader conspiracy and activity involved there, and I wouldn't be surprised, for some reason, that there were complications that involved government and government officials as well.
00:36:42.000But I couldn't get to first base with anything, Alex, and you have to understand, you have to have something concrete, which I was able to develop in the Demoniuk case.
00:36:51.000They couldn't get around the evidence, but I had to send it to an Israeli Supreme Court to get anything done with it.
00:36:56.000So you could imagine the problem I was getting trying to get and garner and glean more information relative to the Oklahoma City bombing.
00:37:09.000And I don't believe anything anymore the government is telling the American people.
00:37:14.000I don't want to get involved in the 9-1-1 issue.
00:37:16.000But I have my doubts about 9-1-1 as well.
00:37:18.000Now remember, I got the demonic information and I got the actual factual information on Pan Am 103.
00:37:26.000And I know exactly what happened to Pan Am 103.
00:37:29.000And it's not what our government said happened.
00:37:31.000Tell us what happened with Pan Am 103.
00:37:33.000The report I got was an intelligence report that said a man named Ahmed Jibril and Manzour Al-Qassar were hired by Iran to respond to America's shooting down of that Iranian Airbus, if you recall that.
00:37:45.000And they put together an international team and they couldn't find a target.
00:37:50.000And Manzour Al-Qassar, who shipped heroin from the Golden Triangles to New York through Frankfurt, Started to see Ahmed Jibril's people around Frankfurt Airport.
00:38:04.000And supposedly he was worried it was going to ruin his gravy train, and there was an anonymous call made warning there's going to be a terrorist act around the airport, but there was no increase in security to more or less chase Ahmed Jibril away.
00:38:18.000The bottom line is the plane went down over Lockerbie.
00:38:21.000It was supposed to go down over the ocean, but wind drift took it over Lockerbie.
00:38:26.000Number one, there was an anonymous call made at Frankfurt International with no increase in security.
00:38:32.000And second of all, two weeks after the incident, first President Bush asked for Ahmed Jibril to be extradited to the United States and Syria denied it.
00:38:42.000Manjreel Qasr was the biggest heroin man and he made his living Shipping to America.
00:38:51.000Now, what the report said was that he was influential, Alex, in getting French hostages released from Iran, and he was working with the CIA Lebanon office to get American hostages.
00:39:02.000At the time, I believe there were eight there, Alex.
00:39:05.000It said that there was nothing good happening, so the CIA sent a team to see what was going on, headed by an Army Major McKee from Pittsburgh on leave to the CIA.
00:39:15.000Alex, all of those five CIA agents and Major McKee were killed on that 103 flight but what it was is our government The report says, covered up the truthful incident, because the American people knew that heroin was being overlooked because this valuable asset, Monserrat Casar, did be a revolution over here.
00:39:39.000So the first thing the government said is trafficking is anti-government, CIA said it's nonsense, and naturally no one went with it, but Connie Chung went with it.
00:39:47.000And the truth of the matter was, they end up arresting these two Libyans, one of them was even released.
00:39:52.000And believe me, if they were guilty, they'd have choked on a chicken bone over there in Qaddafi's prison.
00:39:57.000This is the truth of what happened in 103.
00:39:59.000So I didn't have the time to look into 911, but I'll tell you this.
00:40:40.000I see an American political revolution.
00:40:43.000Now, maybe 2010 may not be the actual fulcrum for that occurring, but it's not far off, Alex.
00:40:51.000You're going to see a tremendous upheaval in this country where the American people are going to respond to this illegal immigration issue, this so-called cap-and-trade type issue, this big government healthcare issue with 159 new boards, and going to, in fact, In fact, ensure almost 50 million illegal immigrants.
00:41:11.000There's a hell of a lot more than 12 to 15 illegals in this country, Alex.
00:41:15.000When the truth comes out, I think you're going to, the American people are going to revolt.
00:41:19.000But I think it's going to be a peaceful revolution, and let me say this.
00:41:23.000I know that you've never advocated violence, but you are advocating that the American people take a stand.
00:41:29.000Now what bothers me is, they're trying to paint this Tea Party as something sinister, and it's not.
00:41:35.000You know what bothers me more than that is all these politicians keep saying, we need you to vote, we need you to get involved in government.
00:41:41.000Well, here's a group that's getting involved.
00:41:49.000I mean, they're calling for lower taxes, abolish the Federal Reserve, have national sovereignty, defend our borders, defend the Second Amendment, do what this country was built on to be Americans.
00:42:00.000And that was the question I was about to bring back up.
00:42:03.000Bill Clinton and others go on TV and say, gee, I hope there isn't another Oklahoma City caused by the Tea Parties, but I'm afraid it's going to happen.
00:42:12.000The only card that criminal elements of the government can play is to stage a terror attack, another Oklahoma City in this country, to go after the American people.
00:42:21.000And I see them framing myself by name, but the entire Tea Party and Libertarians and Ron Paul Alex is very unfortunate.
00:42:29.000I've said this without disrespect, but I'm going to say it right here on your show.
00:42:46.000They're worried that the American people are going to take their venom out on the party in power, as they did years ago, when they threw Hastert and the Republicans out.
00:42:54.000Truth of the matter is, both of these parties have been compromised.
00:42:57.000I talked about it on the Greta Van Susteren Show.
00:43:28.000But to have former President Clinton, who is still very popular, come out and say, my God, if something bad is going to happen, because this Tea Party, this Tea Party can produce some bad things.
00:43:39.000If there's anything bad that happened, it's because the American people are totally disgusted.
00:43:43.000A man who flew his plane into an IRS building in Texas, a man who bulldozed his home in Ohio because he was tired at the bank.
00:44:01.000I agree with you, and there's lots of things happening that are real, but if you look at the preconditioning and the buildup and even the Hattari militia, we've documented that was a total federal setup with people inside provocateuring them to shoot their mouths off, and so they're having these busts to create this background story that, oh look, the gun owners are about to attack, and we know, we have the documents, That they're training the military for gun confiscation.
00:44:28.000We've had the mayor of Schenectady, New York.
00:44:30.000We've had house reps in the legislature of Illinois and others calling for troops on the streets.
00:44:38.000I mean, this is getting really creepy.
00:44:40.000Well, let me tell you, the politicians should be calling for troops.
00:45:16.000So I think you having heard these comments, I think you know that.
00:45:20.000You're very No, I know, and I'm very aware of it, and I appreciate you talking about it.
00:45:23.000I mean, I never intended to have this big of an effect.
00:45:26.000I mean, I wanted to have an effect, but I didn't know I'd get in a position where there's so many of these documents that are saying, there's the enemy, get him, get him.
00:45:32.000But I've talked to so many troops that have called me and sent us information.
00:45:36.000They say that's why the troops and police then tune into the show, because they're told, don't listen to Alex Jones, he's bad.
00:45:42.000I mean, the government is smart at certain levels, but it's also stupid.
00:46:00.000The reason those calls were so quick is they were coming from the Justice Department.
00:46:05.000Believe me, the people in the government knew what they did to Dominic.
00:46:09.000There's a lot of people in the government don't like what's going on, Alec.
00:46:12.000There's a lot of people in the government that are listening to you.
00:46:15.000Now, the problem is we're starting to get all this militia talk.
00:46:18.000We need militia because we've got all these groups that are establishing.
00:46:21.000Look, all of the government's troops should be concentrating on securing our borders, getting us out of these wars overseas that have bankrupted us, and take care of America's issues.
00:46:32.000They shouldn't be targeting American people, and that's what they're doing.
00:46:36.000And what I don't like about it is if you look at the Tea Party, the Tea Party are basically frustrated Americans, but they're Republicans and they're Democrats.
00:46:44.000They voted for Republican presidents, and they voted for Democrat presidents.
00:46:48.000And what they're saying, loud and clear, and everybody's trying to dilute it because they're afraid that the party in power is going to be removed.
00:46:55.000And that's where President Clinton come in.
00:46:58.000I think it's very unfortunate that he made that statement, but I'm going to make this statement on the Alex Jones Show.
00:47:05.000They don't call him Slick Willie for nothing.
00:47:08.000And I made that statement on a Robert Novak show when the IRS threatened a veto of the IRS reform bill because of the trafficking language that changed the burden of proof.
00:47:18.000And I said on the Robert Novak show that President Clinton isn't called Slick Willy for nothing.
00:47:23.000He could sign the bill and help the American taxpayers or he could veto the bill and help a few IRS agents and he signed the bill.
00:47:31.000And that's the type of pressure we need to put back.
00:47:33.000President Clinton should not have made that statement.
00:47:50.000I'm going to take a few calls for you and also give out your address for people that want to support your campaign or physically get involved.
00:48:03.000It has come out that a lot of Republicans and Democrats are gay.
00:48:07.000And I'm not attacking him for that, but that they're being blackmailed, like if they're a drug dealer or they're taking bribes.
00:48:13.000There's a lot of different ways you can get compromised.
00:48:15.000And the word from really good sources is Obama's being compromised and blackmailed, that Congressman Lindsey Graham was.
00:48:22.000They had a valley pack, which is a very serious, focused guy who I've been watching for over a decade.
00:48:28.000I've never heard Mr. Gein say something that wasn't true.
00:48:31.000He says he's got it down pat that Lindsey Graham is just running around basically all over the place, you know, in the streets, cruising, and that they're blackmailing him.
00:48:40.000Five days after that information was released, Graham said, I'm not doing immigration reform.
00:48:59.000Now look, I can't speak on any individual case, but again, as I got personal information, remember I'm the fellow on the House floor that said that Janet Reno was a lesbian and she was controlled by organized crime who had photographs of her with young women.
00:49:17.000Now, I was protected by the Speech and Debate Clause, but I went on again, a national TV show, the Robert Novak Show, and I re-edited those statements, and I said, go ahead, Janet.
00:49:28.000I'm not protected by the Speech and Debate Clause.
00:49:31.000Take me to court, because maybe now we'll find out why you will not allow an investigation in $10 million from a red Chinese army general that went to President Clinton's campaign fund.
00:49:59.000Right here on the Alex Jones Show, I'm saying that she was a lesbian.
00:50:03.000She was, in fact, appointed an assistant prosecutor in Dade County, the cocaine capital of America.
00:50:09.000She was ultimately, after the prosecutor resigned, appointed the prosecutor, then won re-election.
00:50:16.000Now, that's one I knew about, but I can guarantee you there are people in Washington that are afraid to say anything because of their background.
00:50:27.000There are people who are afraid, and this is the thing I don't like.
00:50:41.000The bottom line is, I don't know if you remember, but Jane Harman from California was picked up on a voice recorder of promising American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee that she'd get their two spies out of prison if they used their influence to make her the chairman of the Intelligence Committee.
00:51:04.000But do you know that the two spies were ultimately turned loose by our Attorney General Holder?
00:51:11.000And he said, we're not sure that they had bad intent.
00:51:14.000Well, keep in mind, Alex, that the man that they were working with in the Pentagon, Larry Franklin, is still in prison for 12 years for giving secrets.
00:51:23.000And what their efforts were, they were attempting to mobilize the Pentagon to attack Iran.
00:51:33.000And the thing I don't like is the IRS has thousands of times testified before Congress and said the only weapon we have to collect voluntary taxes is the element of fear.
00:51:45.000Alex, how does fear, and the word fear, and the process of fear even enter into the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence?
00:51:55.000My God, what has happened to us, Alex?
00:51:57.000Well, Congressman, I did the research at the time.
00:52:00.000I know it was in two major Florida papers that she was actually caught when she was just a prosecutor, so drugged out on alcohol and pills, vomiting in the back of a car in a parking garage with a 13-year-old girl.
00:52:15.000It also came out in, I believe it was lawsuits, you can pull this up, that she would go check out kids that had been CPS'd from the CPS.
00:52:25.000No, the information that I had was that the powers that be and the cocaine business had photographs of her with young ladies in compromising situations, and she was really ineffective and impotent in anything she'd try and do.
00:52:41.000The reason that I got so involved with Janet Reno is she testified before Congress about Waco, that they did everything not to push David Koresh over the edge.
00:52:51.000Listen, no one got more information than me on that case, Alex, and listen to this.
00:52:55.000David Koresh went jogging every morning, and went for lunch, and went for breakfast in the local town.
00:53:00.000They could have arrested him in town and there would have been no problem.
00:53:13.000But when she testified to Congress and said we didn't want to pressure him and push him over the edge, I wasn't on that committee or I'd ask her this question.
00:53:20.000Then, my God, why did you have strobe lights on that building all night and play the recordings of dying rabbits at the screaming decibel level so high it was heard in villages five miles away if you didn't want to push anybody over the edge?
00:53:36.000But the thing that bothered me is we had a general in the Red Chinese Army, Alex, that gave $10 million to the Clinton campaign, and she never investigated it.
00:53:46.000She said it wasn't worthy of an investigation.
00:53:49.000Now my God, we have China right now that is controlling much of the money supply in America.
00:53:54.000They're controlling the commerce and trade of America.
00:53:57.000You have Israel that's controlling the national and international policies of America.
00:54:02.000Where the hell do the American people come in and why isn't anybody saying it?
00:54:06.000Well, this is an incredible interview with James Traficant.
00:54:10.000I know you're on the road right now, traveling, and if you can't do it, it's fine.
00:54:14.000We're going to break here in about five minutes.
00:54:16.000For one minute, can we have an extra additional five minutes with you?
00:54:30.000And going back to Waco briefly, I remember the FLIR footage of the Bradley fighting vehicles with the troops firing their assault rifles.
00:54:38.000And it came out that Delta Force was there.
00:54:42.000It was in Time Magazine that Israeli troops of all people and British troops were there.
00:54:50.000As a congressman who was there during those investigations, what's your intel on that?
00:54:55.000It was a joke, the way the mainstream media actually turned it around, where many Americans at the dinner table were saying, they got just what they deserved down there in Texas.
00:55:06.000There were 17 kids incinerated, children incinerated in that building.
00:55:11.000I had seen films of it, where many of those guns and many of those heavy artillery was aimed right at the exit point, where no one was coming out of there.
00:55:21.000Look, Janet Reno and the Justice Department, Should have gone to prison over that.
00:55:32.000Neither am I. But this fellow, Randy Weaver, out there in Idaho, they shot his wife holding their infant child right between the eyes, a marksman.
00:55:41.000Killed a dog and killed his 14-year-old boy.
00:55:44.000I made a speech every week until they settled, and he ended up settling for about $5 million with the government.
00:57:34.000The truth of the matter is there are a lot of Americans like you, and they don't have the microphone, and they respect the hell out of you for it.
00:57:41.000And that's why you have a tremendous responsibility.
00:57:43.000You have a tremendous responsibility with the pressure that you're going to be getting.
00:57:47.000And after having an interview with Jim Trafigan, My God, they're going to have their antenna up completely.
00:57:54.000But what I'm saying are things that I know that I've investigated myself.
00:58:00.000And when I brought a man home off a death row for mass murder, and Israel called me at my hotel in Jerusalem and said, he'll be in Tel Aviv tomorrow night, Congressman.
00:58:24.000It's just that all the info he keeps bringing out, I want to get every minute we can because he was in the middle of all of this in Congress for so long.
00:58:31.000But we'll see about going to your calls.
00:58:33.000Regardless, I'll get to them when we come back after the congressman's left us in about eight minutes.
01:00:21.000Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we are back live.
01:00:23.000Jim Trafficant, final segment with him.
01:00:26.000We have talked about so many issues, but going back to blackmail in Congress, you know, they can selectively either falsely charge somebody or use a crooked toenail to put them in prison.
01:00:37.000And then meanwhile, I've been talking for years about Goldman Sachs openly robbing everyone, and the people we've talked to, the experts here, they believe that these Justice Department Criminal research, criminal investigation is just a big cover-up, and the civil indictment is just a big cover-up, because Goldman Sachs is Obama's biggest contributor.
01:00:55.000Where do you see this going, Congressman?
01:00:57.000Well, I don't see anything happening to anybody.
01:00:59.000I think there's a big network of people that surround our government, they control our government, and I think we have to start looking again at foreign entanglements like First President Washington warned us of.
01:01:10.000Back then it was Britain, but now, believe me, we have Israel that's very powerful, and they're very powerful on Wall Street.
01:01:17.000The thing that bothers me is much of our government has been coming from Goldman Sachs.
01:01:21.000They've been sending their people into our decision-making process.
01:01:30.000Coin money, as the Constitution says, and we can promulgate a plan to do that.
01:01:34.000I think it's time to throw many of these departments of government out.
01:01:37.000Department of Energy was supposed to take our dependents off of foreign oil.
01:01:40.000Hell, we have more dependency now than we had back then.
01:01:43.000Department of Education, I think it's time for the states to handle that and the local school boards to make salient decisions.
01:01:49.000And I think there's so many things, but Alex, I'm saying this on your show.
01:01:52.000If we do not, in fact, abolish the IRS and repeal the income tax, and let the American people get their entire pay with no withholding, no tax on savings, no corporate tax, no capital gains tax, no inheritance and death taxes, no more Social Security, no more Medicare tax, no more audits, no more paperwork, no more receipts, no more accountants, no more attorneys, and that 25% tax
01:02:17.000We'll cover these problems, and second of all, as Harvard studies said, when we take the burdensome compliance off this Communist Progressive Income Tax, that prices will drop so significantly that we will have hardly no increase in prices we have now.
01:02:32.000And finally, for those under the latter, they take their receipts into the government, and the government would give them, as they have now, assistance programs, but that would be coupled with work.
01:02:43.000And finally, all this underground narcotic business, they'd pay taxes.
01:02:47.000And they're now on SSI, and their wives are in public housing, by the way.
01:02:51.000Second of all, all these people come to visit Broadway and Las Vegas, Germany, Japan, all over the world, Canada, they would pay into our tax scheme.
01:03:00.000And we can turn to... The people are not free, and we will not be free until we take the yoke of the income tax off the American people.
01:03:08.000We've got to reward work and personal industry.
01:04:02.000429 North Main Street, Poland, Ohio 44514 Well, resistance is victory, and by you running, you're going to be able to be on the news, and you're going to be able to bring real issues to the table, whether you win, lose, or draw.
01:04:18.000It's a victory that you're running, and I'm glad you're doing it.
01:04:22.000The news reports, thousands of people coming to your rallies, you know, hundreds and hundreds of people, even in the small towns.
01:04:27.000So you've got a big support base out there, and we appreciate what you're doing.
01:04:32.000Congressman Jim Traficant, all the demonization, all the lies you've gone through, but you're, you know, On the outside now, exposing this tyranny, and I look forward to talking to you again in the near future.
01:04:55.000We'll be right back with your phone calls, a ton of news, and Wayne Madsen coming up.
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01:08:29.000And he was telling me off air, you also heard him say it on air, that everywhere he goes, just all over the place, people are bringing up the interview he did on this show.
01:08:38.000And that's when I realized, like three years ago, I was in Roatan.
01:09:09.000You know, we watch it down at the church.
01:09:11.000And then I get callers calling in, you know, people in Brazil and people in Japan and I get sent photos almost every couple days in like Russia and in the Czech Republic and Germany.
01:09:25.000Infowars.com spray-painted You know, on buildings.
01:09:29.000And we get sent photos and I get called by, one time we got an email from the city government in a major town in New Zealand.
01:09:38.000And there was a giant shutdown factory and somebody at night had to do it with ropes, spray-painted Infowars.com across it.
01:09:46.000I'm not saying do that, but I mean the point is, is that, is that I've said over and over again, I am in over my head.
01:09:55.000I mean, ADL, Southern Poverty Law Center reports, government reports, secret army reports, and I don't just have the reports, I then talk to military.
01:10:04.000I then talk to family who are in the military and they say, no, you're in briefings.
01:10:11.000I mean, the Pentagon has me in briefings?
01:10:14.000I mean, I don't know how much longer I got here, folks.
01:10:18.000I mean, this is getting to the point of insanity.
01:10:21.000I mean, and I said I'm going to go to Terry, Chris, Sean, Larry, Tony and others.
01:10:26.000Before Trafficking came on, we were taking calls from military and police who were confirming the martial law drills, state police in Georgia, where they're training to go in and just kill whole families to take their guns.
01:10:36.000And then we have the internal drills where they take on the Tea Partiers and the military shows up in San Diego with sound cannons.
01:11:12.000You know, for all of the COINTELPRO individuals who pose as patriots and attack me, and we've confirmed that in many cases, like Hal Turner and others, we know what's going on there, but so much of the other attacks I go through and the trolling, it's just jealousy!
01:11:25.000You know, all these people out there, when my listeners, not really Alex Jones, I understood the power of people and getting them to take action and getting them to make copies of films and put them on AXS TV.
01:11:37.000You know, I had read a lot of history books, so I read about the printing press, freeing Europe from the Dark Ages.
01:11:44.000And I read about the founding fathers of little handheld presses with one-page handbills, waking up the American people over the 15 years before the Revolutionary War.
01:11:53.000So I, day one, made films and said, make copies.
01:12:25.000Because we were here for so long telling people what was being set up that now it's openly Happening, and our credibility is rocketing upwards.
01:12:38.000But it's this audience that generated much of what is the modern patriot movement.
01:12:42.000I mean, I remember Ron Paul, and I didn't even really know this three years ago.
01:12:46.000He was on for an interview about three, four months into his campaign.
01:12:49.000He said, I just want to say on air, half of our support Half the people that come up to me and give me support are saying they came from your show.
01:12:57.000So Ron Paul, in the aggregate, is bigger than the work I've done.
01:14:10.000And I understand the responsibility I have.
01:14:12.000I understand every day, I'm just human like everybody else.
01:14:16.000I have my own problems, just like everybody else.
01:14:19.000You know, every day when I'm driving home, I've gotta stop myself from pulling over and buying a six pack of beer and going home and grilling a 20 ounce steak.
01:14:39.000That's why I'm going to be taking some more days off here in the future.
01:14:43.000Just because if I am going to get put in prison or if I am going to get killed, I just want to be with my children a little more, because every moment is precious.
01:14:50.000But then I was going to take my son fishing today, but then some radio and TV called that will reach millions of people, so I've got to show up tonight and tell him, sorry, we don't get to go fishing.
01:15:01.000And then I've got the government and the media lying, saying I'm telling people to kill cops.
01:16:49.000Believe me, it's like an echo chamber.
01:16:51.000This is what I'm thinking every minute.
01:16:53.000This is what I'm understanding every second.
01:16:55.000I wake up in the middle of the night and write down all these notes and all these ideas and things I want to talk about and never get to half of it.
01:17:01.000And I feel like I haven't done a good enough job.
01:17:20.000Yeah, Alex, I've called you before, being an ex-vet and everything, and I listened to Glenn Beck.
01:17:26.000He was talking about the Black Robe Brigade.
01:17:29.000Now, I think that kind of gives you a hint of who I am.
01:17:33.000You know, with everything that's going on and the troops firing on American citizens.
01:17:39.000You know, one thing about it is, is this, you know, you can't understand why troops would do that.
01:17:44.000Even in Nam, one of the things was we knew we weren't there fighting for our country because if we were, we'd be doing it back here in the States.
01:17:53.000And what happened was, is we got the mentality that we were to, we were going to defend each other.
01:18:02.000It wasn't so much about You know, you enemy, me friend, that kind of thing.
01:18:06.000It was, we were going to do everything we could to protect ourselves.
01:18:10.000Well, you got the, you're going to have the same scenario when, if US troops come in to start, you know, shooting and things like that, American citizens.
01:18:23.000And one of the things that keeps coming to my mind is, is I need to buy a bullhorn.
01:18:29.000And the reason I say that is, is this, you know, In those type of situations, if the troops realize, all you got to do is tell them over with a bullhorn, that, hey, your family is going through this exact same thing back home.
01:18:46.000Now, are you going to allow others to shoot your families like you're fixing to shoot us?
01:19:24.000No, this is very touching what you're saying and that is the mentality and they're gonna stage attacks against the military and police to get them whipped up into a fury to go up against the population and then in the process we're all gonna kill each other which is exactly what these offshore bankers want instead of arresting Gordon Brown and Barack Obama and Lloyd Blankfein they're setting it up for us to kill each other like a bunch of idiots and I take no pleasure in thinking about What's going to happen to our military and police?
01:19:53.000Because if one out of one percent of the gun owners stands up in this fight, it's over for them.
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01:23:01.000You're subject to other police action.
01:25:00.000Why would he, if he was a crook, and we know they set him up, why would he always be out there exposing And with you with the inside stock trading and the history of the stock market in those particular days when there was 200 and something massive stock trades going on and then Larry Silverstein's, the Twin Towers were filled with asbestos.
01:25:29.000And the owners were afraid of massive lawsuits by the employees for asbestos, and he collected the... Anyway, let me get off this phone with somebody else here, but yeah, Alex, you have been right on cue for the last seven years, and that's an open murder case.
01:25:47.000Now, when the truth finally comes out, people, Alex, and Trafficant's right, be careful, you're the man.
01:25:55.000But what I'm getting at is when phonies like Glenn Beck who shed a tear, I would not let that man on Genesis Network when he gets fired.
01:28:20.000And I heard it six months ago on BBC, where they admitted our government guards the poppies.
01:28:25.000And that's what Pat Tillman had discovered, was writing letters home to his family, that he was going to come back and expose it and was going to be anti-war.
01:29:15.000We'll be able to find it, because I don't want to just show one clip.
01:29:17.000I want to show them even more evidence, where they now just roll it out, that okay, we're protecting it, okay, we're doing it, alright, we're the good guys, and if Alex Jones says opium being shipped in isn't good, well, he's al-Qaeda.
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01:33:54.000Now the Marines, in their success, are in a sense a victim of their success because now the population is, you know, they have these opium fields and we are tolerating it.
01:34:04.000We are tolerating the cultivation of the opium because we know that if we were to destroy it now, the population would turn against the Marines and it would be a real security risk.
01:34:14.000Let me introduce Lieutenant Colonel Brian Christmas, he's the commanding officer of the 3rd Battalion, 6th Marines.
01:34:19.000Really a wonderful group of Marines here.
01:34:22.000I know that you care deeply about this contradiction.
01:34:26.000The fact that here you have one of the best fighting forces in the world ever mounted.
01:34:31.000And in a sense, you're watching as this opium is being grown.
01:37:31.000Do you agree with me that this is just the main lining of the double-think of the mind control, because they can't hide it anymore?
01:37:38.000That okay, we're growing it, but we're doing it to fight Al-Qaeda.
01:37:42.000Oh absolutely, and it's not just, now we have reports from the United Nations that it's not just heroin and opium coming out of Afghanistan, but it's cannabis.
01:37:53.000So they've actually found a new cash crop to deal in.
01:37:57.000And you heard them, the troops help grow it, and so our men and women are now farmers for the CIA.
01:38:06.000That's right, and the biggest problem is, where is this I had one going to it.
01:38:11.000It's getting across the border into Tajikistan to the north and winding up on the old Silk Road.
01:38:18.000The Silk Road, it's going east into China and west into Europe.
01:38:22.000And, of course, the Russian government and the Chinese government are well aware of the fact that this stuff is coming out of Afghanistan.
01:38:30.000And who's involved in this illicit trade?
01:38:50.000And the biggest fear of China is that they're looking at this as another opium war.
01:38:56.000You know, we already have reports coming out of Yunnan province in China that young men are getting hooked on this stuff.
01:39:03.000They know where it's coming out of, and frankly, they're not happy about it.
01:39:08.000And the history of the Opium Wars with the British and China, they understand that that's what helped defeat the Chinese before, and they're worried that the West has similar designs now.
01:39:38.000That's how they took over the society.
01:39:41.000Right, and we also know that the route to the West, to Europe, it goes through Turkey, and what we're seeing now with the present Turkish government uncovering this deep state that has existed in Turkey for a number of years, that part and parcel of that deep state, it's called the Ergenekon Network, is the trafficking in opium, and the opium's coming by land from Afghanistan.
01:40:10.000And so, you know, from Turkey, where does it go?
01:40:25.000And once it hits Kosovo, boom, France, Germany, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Italy, that's where the money's made on the street.
01:40:34.000Now, government drug dealing, white slavery running, kidnapping, all of it takes us back full circle to 9-11.
01:40:43.000Sybil Edmonds, FBI, NSA translator, she's now been able to finally break her gag order in court.
01:40:50.000Last year, she told Congress this, behind the scenes, they put a gag order on her, that she was listening to the Taliban and Al Qaeda senior leadership, including Osama bin Laden, running slaves, running drugs, running weapons, all over the Middle East and Central Asia, under direct command of the Central intelligence agency, even to the day of 9-11.
01:41:16.000She was hearing this on the day of 9-11, and then now the Turkish government has discovered that they have a military deep state, just like we have a deep state system here, and before we get into this new 9-11 information you're dropping on folks, and I've done the research, everything you put in this report ties into separate public info, but it's devastating We now have confirmed Army drill manuals where they're training to take on tea parties, gun owners, and returning veterans.
01:41:46.000Much worse than the MIAC and Homeland Security report in there.
01:41:49.000It's the biggest troop training we've ever seen.
01:41:53.000This is a total training op to prepare for martial law.
01:41:58.000Well, that's right, and a lot of this goes back to the 1980s when we had Rex 84 cobbled together by Oliver North and his chums on basically just taking everybody into custody who didn't agree with the Reagan administration and putting them into facilities, detention facilities.
01:42:19.000This is an old plan come back to haunt us decades later.
01:42:27.000Again, Wayne Madsen, so many times when I'm watching C-SPAN and watching a national security hearing, you see him there in the background reporting.
01:42:36.000The headline at WayneMadsenReport.com, it's also an online journal, and InfoWars.com, the super classified network that served as command and control for 9-11 false flag attack.
01:42:48.000Break it down for our audience, this incredible information.
01:42:52.000Okay, what I gathered was that there was a very highly classified system with a limited number of people now.
01:43:01.000You know, it didn't take a lot of people to, you know, be in charge of this command and control operation because all it entailed that day was Letting people know, certain people know this is not a training drill, this is real time, and take the necessary actions to carry out the attacks.
01:43:23.000The system, I first heard the phonetic description of the system called PDAS, P-D-A-S.
01:43:31.000And I didn't find out what it stood for until a few days later.
01:43:36.000And what I've gathered is that the system stands for Planning and Decision Aid System.
01:43:42.000There's only about 75 to 100 terminals throughout the U.S.
01:43:47.000Maybe a couple hundred people have access to this.
01:43:49.000They all have what's known as top-secret special compartment, sensitive compartment information, clearances, special access program clearances.
01:44:01.000And this was the system, I do know one message was transmitted from the Chief of Staff of the Air Force on the morning of 9-11.
01:44:10.000Uh, two other terminals, PDAS terminals, that basically stated the Air Force has successfully intercepted the target over Pennsylvania.
01:44:21.000Now, whether that was Flight 93, I don't know, but that certainly corresponds with similar Uh, stories about, uh, what happened, uh, with the, uh, target that was moving in on the, uh, on Washington, D.C., uh, where Cheney is sitting there with Mineta.
01:44:39.000Mineta says, uh, Cheney, uh, a young enlisted man came in and said, does the order still stand?
01:44:45.000And, uh, Cheney responded, of course the order still stands.
01:44:47.000Have you heard anything to the contrary?
01:44:49.000Uh, it's quite apparent that it was PEDAS, which is operated under the Secretary of Defense.
01:44:55.000This was the system that was used to provide the alternate command and control system on 9-11.
01:45:02.000And again, this corresponds with another system called the CritiCom system, run by the NSA, where a similar message came over that morning.
01:45:11.000And is that why even Anderson Cooper and CNN and CBS confirm doomsday planes from before the attack and after were all videotaped at about 50,000 feet circling because it's this doomsday COG deep state emergency dictatorship system that they were using to run the attack?
01:45:33.000Yes, well the National Emergency Airborne Command Post, as you call it, Doomsday Plane, where the Joint Chiefs of Staff goes in the event of a nuclear war, does have a PDAS terminal on board that aircraft.
01:45:44.000So, obviously, it was very much instrumental in this whole operation.
01:45:49.000And there was another intelligence system run by the NSA called Criticom, which, again, a similar message came across that same morning that stated the Air Force has successfully intercepted the target over Pennsylvania.
01:46:06.000So we had two very highly classified intelligence systems that morning talking about the interception of the target over Pennsylvania.
01:46:14.000So the whole thing about the cell phone calls, you know, the passengers storming the cockpit, all obviously a major, a major psy-op ruse to try to convince people that, you know, some guy said, let's roll.
01:46:31.000Well, former Black Ops Commander Colonel Don DeGramperie, when he was dying on the verge of heart failure, came on our show and then died a few weeks later and said, look, I've talked to all the Pentagon boys, and this was right after 9-11, and he said, the Pentagon, a separate general based in Virginia, but it was the squadron out of North Dakota, the Happy Hooligans, they put two AIM-9s into that aircraft And that they bucked the order.
01:46:57.000And we know, this is declassified, we have the document, two and a half months before 9-11, Cheney took the NORAD shoot-down power that generals always had as a default, they didn't need to have a president or vice president tell them, and took that power only unto himself.
01:47:14.000They put a whole new command structure in, in the week before the 9-11, so they'd be confused and not know what was going on.
01:47:21.000And then right after 9-11, Cheney gave the shoot-down power back to NORAD.
01:47:27.000Well, I also think it's significant that this p.d.a.s.
01:47:30.000message that was sent by the Air Force Chief of Staff was sent by General John Jumper, who had only assumed command of the Air Force on September 6, 2001, so five days before we have a new Air Force Chief of Staff.
01:47:45.000And I think what this is telling me is that it seems like it's the Air Force Because we know that in 2007, again, it was the Cheney's alternate chain of command moved these nuclear-tipped cruise missiles out of Minot Air Force Base to Barksdale Air Force Base.
01:48:04.000But again, here we have the Air Force.
01:48:06.000The Air Force seems to come up Time and time again.
01:48:09.000And we have people in the Air Force, I think, who really represent the alternate chain of command as we saw it under the Bush administration.
01:48:18.000And of course, 9-11 was an aerial attack, so which service would they have had to co-op?
01:48:26.000And who are experts in drone attacks and remote control?
01:48:30.000Look, you don't like to speculate, but from your years of deep research and working at the NSA and literally living a cloak-and-dagger lifestyle in D.C., as best you can tell, I mean, clearly it's Cheney running the attack, but how did this work that day?
01:48:45.000Well, apparently what happened was, we know that there was this huge amount of confusion about some drills that were being run.
01:48:54.000NORAD was running drills, there were other drills being run, and there was a lot of confusion among the people at the radar scopes at the computer terminals.
01:49:04.000They said they were watching television, and they said, wait a minute, is this drill or is this real time?
01:49:09.000And I think the purpose of this alternate Command and Control System was to confuse the situation.
01:49:18.000You know, when you had people that didn't know whether what they were watching on TV was part of a drill or not, I think it was very successful.
01:49:26.000So the knowledge of what was really happening only had to be amongst the very few people because even the people who might have been on the PDAS terminals I'm getting this information wouldn't have had the big picture only certain a certain number of people would have had the big picture and would have known what was going on that morning.
01:49:44.000And of course there was a separate CIA drill of the Pentagon being attacked being run separately that way if they got caught by other branches of the government or other compartments they'd say oh it's just a drill.
01:49:57.000So you had that built-in factor of confusion.
01:49:59.000You had a certain number of people, a very limited number of people, who knew exactly what was going on.
01:50:05.000And therefore, that's how this multi-trillion dollar command and control communications and intelligence system that we had to, you know, ostensibly fight the Soviet Union during that Cold War era, it collapsed in a matter of hours on the morning of 9-11.
01:50:22.000And we know within 10 minutes, as the Associated Press reported, Rumsfeld began broadcasting across the Pentagon, Iraq did this, because he knew it was important to get that first story out, Iraq, because they were already gearing up to go into Iraq.
01:50:36.000Let's come back and talk about How important this information is and how we get this out of the public.
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01:54:33.000Wayne Madsen, we were talking during the break, and I said, what's most important in the last few minutes to talk about?
01:54:37.000And you said, well, they're trying to persecute journalists now, especially journalists that are getting NSA leaks about illegal spying, because if they can pick off top journalists, they can get anybody.
01:54:52.000Well, I think what we see with this administration is, in some ways, it's worse than the Bush administration when it comes to violation of First Amendment rights.
01:55:02.000We now know today that on Monday, Jim Risen of the New York Times was served a subpoena to go before a grand jury and reveal who his sources were.
01:55:15.000Now, say this is about Chapter 9 in the book he wrote, which has to do with the CIA, but he also broke the story Uh, or help to break the story on the warrantless wiretapping program at NSA.
01:55:28.000And I do know that the indictment of Tom Drake, the ex-senior official at NSA a few weeks ago, is part of a Justice Department NSA program to haul journalists before grand juries to get them to reveal who their sources are.
01:55:46.000Now even Bush didn't even think about going this way.
01:55:48.000Well, how could an NSA official, who's obviously trying to be patriotic so he releases illegal activity because he didn't want to go to jail, how does he get indicted and thrown in prison for doing, for exposing illegal activity?
01:56:04.000Apparently there's been a lot of contract, multi-billion dollar contract fraud at NSA.
01:56:08.000Now look at, this gets into Keaton cases.
01:56:11.000I think what the government did with Tom Drake was, it was preemptive.
01:56:14.000Let's indict him before he can bring a Keaton case.
01:56:17.000Uh, showing that the government, uh, Michael Hayden, when he was direct, uh, director of the NSA, and the present director, General Alexander, Keith Alexander, both engaged in multi-billion dollar contracts throughout the line of pockets of their favorite contractors.
01:56:32.000And they're all the usual suspects, the SAICs, the Booz Allens, Computer Science Corporation, and the rest.